I really like how Anytype takes the stuff that need plugins and setups in Obsidian and present them effortlessly, I really love the idea of Objects, Set, and Global tasks. I'm moving to Obsidian and building my processes from scratch there, but I also am keeping an eye on Anytype because of that convenience. I can easily see myself procrastinate by spending an eternity tinkering with Obsidian instead of doing my work, having a program that's powerful enough but also limiting in some ways is sort of freeing. But I can see how that's very limiting. My two problems so far which are preventing me from going to Anytype is the lack of support for the Frontmatter part of Markdown, in either import and export, which means that when I decide to jump back to Obsidian I would lose all the linking. And the way syncing in inseparable from the app itself, so in order to sync I can either pay them or host it myself but build everything from code. Sync is not an issue for me right now though, as they offer 1Gb free and my data so far is only text, so 15Mb.
I feel like a lot of people are making quick judgments for something that's still in beta. It's understandable if it currently doesn't have a function that is vital to your work but it's constantly being worked on and you can also make feature requests in the forums. The crew at Anytype are very receptive to different ideas. Being in beta, nobody should be relying on it anyway but once it gets out, it'll be a lot better than its current form. It'll be my main app then. The combination of open-source and self-hosting are reasons enough for me to use Anytype over Obsidian.
Thank you for covering it, Danny! I have been using, or better said testing, Anytype for over 2 years now. While it is not there yet for me, they are getting very close eventhough it is still in Beta. Active and open team, with interactive development zoom calls that you can join. A couple of points you may have missed: 1. Backlinks are in Anytype, hidden in the graph view and called Flow (see top of the screen in graph view). It is a bit clunky to be honest. 2. You can also query sets by a relation i.s.o. an object type. 3. When you have thousands of tasks, I don't think it will slow down. Since it shows max 50 at a time. Though I only have a couple of hundred tasks at the moment. 4. You can link any object to a collection via the three dotted menu in the top right, then select Link to. Again a bit clunky. 5. You can see all relations of the object you are in with the triangle button in the top right. Here you can also edit them. Missing features like calendar view, split screen, workspaces, outline, a right sidebar and more are highly requested on the community forums with most being at least confirmed to be researched.
@12:03 i am a person great overview of the greatest organization app 👌🏽 the biggest tip you gave that truly can not be overstated for whatever pkm one chooses is ~ learn the lexicons/terms, especially as you watch tutorials ~ you do an incredible job at emphasizing those terms throughout the entirety of the video + that is a huge key to learning the cogs of the machine ⚙
Thanks for the walk-through. I guess I'll still be using Obsidian and Notion like how I'm already using them. Anytpe looks nice but I don't wanna add and learn how to use another app. I believe Obsidian will get even better over time.
doesn't look like an improvement over Obsidian. What I like about Obsidian is it's adaptability. It can be as simple or as complex as you like, and will 'grow' with you. There is always more adaptability to add if you need it with the add-ons. Honestly, why would anyone change?
Obsidian isnt really good for database. It is more complex than it should in that way. Sometimes all you need to do is build relations for objects in a table, and you don't want to learn dataview for that. I love obsidian, but that was always a deal breaker for me.
Hi Danny, I love all of your content - thanks for ab other great video. I’ve also been interested in exploring Anytype, so was pleased to see your video. Will you be doing a similar one on Capacities?
It's always good to see competition because it ultimately raises everyone's game. However, I'm not gonna lie, I am getting sick and tired of every new app being based on Electron. It's bad enough that Chrome totally dominates the web browser market, we really don't need that exact same engine giving Google a similar monopoly in desktop & mobile applications too. I can only hope that the new cross-platform coding solutions that are emerging gain sufficient traction to become viable alternatives to Electron; (although looking at developer behaviour so far, it seems sadly unlikely). We will probably end up with a re-run of Blink vs Gecko, and we've already seen how that battle turned out (just look at Firefox's dwindling user base and Chrome using its dominance to attempt to eliminate image formats and destroy the open web with self-serving initiatives such as its Web Environment Integrity).
As a user. I agree. As a small teamed dev, you have no other choice (if you want to release with reasonable time frames) I've tried some other electron replacements there might be some hope out there.
Personally, I hate Electron. Not just because of its potential for monopoly, but also because it's just a slow, bloated, horrible user experience. You can't even do basic automation using end-user macro tools because the Electron UI elements are not individually named or addressable (as they are in every non-Electron program). @TylerHallHiveTech I'm _not_ a developer. Which Electron alternatives do you think show the most promise? Is Tauri any good?
@@THX_1138 as a developer i can tell you that there are currently no effective alternatives to Electron for a production ready cross-platform desktop application. And although Electron has disadvantages it's not that terrible if the app is well optimized. heck vscode is quite okey and it's electron based. Also keep in mind that they plan to release an API and plugin support, and that's enabled to some extent by Anytype being Electron (any plugin is compatible with all platforms since it is just js+html+css). i get the hate for electron but for projects of this size I think that it's a very sane decision from all perspectives
Finally someone who clearly breaks down how this actually functions/links and why the names for everything..... Finally My problem is images.. Image control is horrible.
I like the way you offer a comparison to other tools. I'm sure for some, this is actually annoying but it helped me with a frame of reference. The one thing I didn't get is "why would I want to switch to Anytype"? (I'm not saying it was your job to answer this question... it wasn't. I think any new tool needs to be answering that question, CLEARLY, on their own.)
I've been using Obsidian for a few years just like you, and it does exactly what I need/want it to do. Anytype doesn't seem to be something I'd use. Thank you for saving me some time.
Thanks for another excellent video! - So, you are saying that types in AnyType correspond to classes in Obsidian, but are these features really comparable? I believe that classes in Obsidian are basically CSS classes, so it's about how stuff is displayed. It appears to me that Types (of Objects) in AnyType is much more than that, or am I missing something? What I'm trying to understand is to what extent something similar to different object types can be recreated in Obsidian. - For example, I have notes in the "people" folder to indicate that they are people, but I believe Obsidian still treats these notes as mere notes, right? You can change how links to these notes are displayed using the "Supercharged Links" plugin, but that seems to be still quite different from what AnyType can do with people objects, right?
Not sure, but it doesn't seem like Anytype has the extremely limiting license for practically any type of use in a commercial setting that Obsidian does: "If you use Obsidian for work in a company with two or more employees, you must purchase a Commercial license." - From Obsidian's help page on their commercial license
No no no no no! If people make better and better applications, how will I settle on to one? I am just getting used to Obsidian and this looks like it trumps Obsidian. Seriously, this is great. It can do a lot for which we need plugins in Obsidian. And my experience with plugins in Obsidian is not great. Almost every plugin has some issue that I cannot figure out whether it is my inadequacy or a bug / feature of the plugin. Now Obsidian only has Canvas for which it is still worth using. Otherwise, I am ready to jump. Great video by the way. Very clear and precise. You have a beautiful brain to be able to present in such a manner. Also, Danny, I did not find any mention of bidirectional relational databases like Notion. Can Anytype do that? If yes, I can replace Notion too with Anytype.
Thanks Dan great video my thoughts its not very intuitive and there is friction and annoying stuff..so am sticking with notion and obsidian for the time being. Maybe at some point it will be a killer app...who said remember Roam!
I've watched a few videos about this app and I see nothing different from notion except for e2e and graph view (both of these I don't need). So no reason to switch for now
I am using obsidian for two years. First time i checked on anytype i was looking for where the fuck is my daily calender. Then opening another page is opening another anytype app not like obsidian tab side by side. Immediately uninstall it. 😅😅 this can app do 0.01 percent in comparison of what obsidian did for me last two years. Its not even a competition. Its a 🤣🤣🤣 joke.
It reminds me of puppet in terms of philosophy. First you spend ages building a skyscraper, then you can take refuge in it and avoid the rain. Sets, collections and Object Orientation. What could go wrong? 😑
I came here because it said this was a beginners look at Anytype, and I am a beginner that literally just downloaded it. However, it was clear after a few minutes in that this was not a video for beginners, as the narrator continuously references other apps I’ve never heard of called Obsidian and Notion and keeps mentioning them when talking about the features of Anytype and saying how one is better than the other. That’s not what I’m here for based on the title of this video. I’m here to learn about how to use Anytype as a beginner. So, I’ve downrated this video. Sorry.
So, maybe it's just me having some intelligence issues, but ... really! This is less flexible, offers less features, and an has an even steeper learning curve than obsidian. Looks like the full fledged individual working environnement of someone having worked with obsidian for years ... and not bothered with facilitating his/her workflow since the start. I know that there are people blaming obsidian as to much steered towards programmers ... let them have a look at this! When you are working with obsidian, you are able to decide yourself, how much complexity you want ... here it is all part of the package which is not working without it. Much to much complex nesting within the object structure ... If you're a programmer, such a system with all its object relations might be a wet dream. I suppose for most of the users of obsidian, who are mostly concerned with practicallity in their work, it is not. thank you, but NO thank you. Sorry! --- But still - as always - a wonderful concise presentation, Danny.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I have had my eye any type for years since before it was released and I’m not in the mood to try to learn another new app’s steep learning curve. I have tried to tinker with it and hoped this video would help but it’s got way too much going on for me. My notes are heavily linked but not this complex
I really like how Anytype takes the stuff that need plugins and setups in Obsidian and present them effortlessly, I really love the idea of Objects, Set, and Global tasks. I'm moving to Obsidian and building my processes from scratch there, but I also am keeping an eye on Anytype because of that convenience. I can easily see myself procrastinate by spending an eternity tinkering with Obsidian instead of doing my work, having a program that's powerful enough but also limiting in some ways is sort of freeing. But I can see how that's very limiting.
My two problems so far which are preventing me from going to Anytype is the lack of support for the Frontmatter part of Markdown, in either import and export, which means that when I decide to jump back to Obsidian I would lose all the linking. And the way syncing in inseparable from the app itself, so in order to sync I can either pay them or host it myself but build everything from code. Sync is not an issue for me right now though, as they offer 1Gb free and my data so far is only text, so 15Mb.
Anytype's FAQs mention that current limit of 1 GB is only during beta phase and it will change on final launch.
HAHAHA, OBSIDIAN IS BULLSHIT SUCKS
1GB limit is only for assets. You can however store unlimited text based objects if you like.
@@lukas7868yep
There are so many apps like this in our days… The concept is getting exhausted. Simplicity and “do the work”. Any app will do.
💯 any app works!
I agree. It's super overwhelming
I feel like a lot of people are making quick judgments for something that's still in beta. It's understandable if it currently doesn't have a function that is vital to your work but it's constantly being worked on and you can also make feature requests in the forums. The crew at Anytype are very receptive to different ideas. Being in beta, nobody should be relying on it anyway but once it gets out, it'll be a lot better than its current form. It'll be my main app then. The combination of open-source and self-hosting are reasons enough for me to use Anytype over Obsidian.
And given that it's open source and has the ability to be self hosted, if you want a feature, add it.
Thank you for covering it, Danny!
I have been using, or better said testing, Anytype for over 2 years now. While it is not there yet for me, they are getting very close eventhough it is still in Beta. Active and open team, with interactive development zoom calls that you can join.
A couple of points you may have missed:
1. Backlinks are in Anytype, hidden in the graph view and called Flow (see top of the screen in graph view). It is a bit clunky to be honest.
2. You can also query sets by a relation i.s.o. an object type.
3. When you have thousands of tasks, I don't think it will slow down. Since it shows max 50 at a time. Though I only have a couple of hundred tasks at the moment.
4. You can link any object to a collection via the three dotted menu in the top right, then select Link to. Again a bit clunky.
5. You can see all relations of the object you are in with the triangle button in the top right. Here you can also edit them.
Missing features like calendar view, split screen, workspaces, outline, a right sidebar and more are highly requested on the community forums with most being at least confirmed to be researched.
Calendar and Workspace is here, but Calendar is still not avail on mobile
can we query a set for more than one relation , or value of a relation
so that i can create a set of all the (relation tag with a certain value)
using it since yesterday and i'm already loving this new app!
@12:03 i am a person
great overview of the greatest organization app 👌🏽 the biggest tip you gave that truly can not be overstated for whatever pkm one chooses is ~ learn the lexicons/terms, especially as you watch tutorials ~ you do an incredible job at emphasizing those terms throughout the entirety of the video + that is a huge key to learning the cogs of the machine ⚙
Thank you for this serie, it shows us the astetics, the possible worklflow of a heavy user like you, plus we get a direct comparision to obsidian
Been using it for a while, wish they had reverse relations working like notion
Thanks for the walk-through. I guess I'll still be using Obsidian and Notion like how I'm already using them. Anytpe looks nice but I don't wanna add and learn how to use another app. I believe Obsidian will get even better over time.
doesn't look like an improvement over Obsidian. What I like about Obsidian is it's adaptability. It can be as simple or as complex as you like, and will 'grow' with you. There is always more adaptability to add if you need it with the add-ons. Honestly, why would anyone change?
I totally agree with you about the level of complexity of Obsidian. The complexity is completely personalized. That's is the beauty of it.
Obsidian isnt really good for database. It is more complex than it should in that way. Sometimes all you need to do is build relations for objects in a table, and you don't want to learn dataview for that.
I love obsidian, but that was always a deal breaker for me.
OBSIDIAN IS BULLSHIT SUCKS
What does that mean not good in database ? Could you explain?
New to all of this. Thanksss
I like Obsidian but no relational database support is a huge dealbreaker for me.
Hi Danny, I love all of your content - thanks for ab other great video. I’ve also been interested in exploring Anytype, so was pleased to see your video. Will you be doing a similar one on Capacities?
It has been requested a few times so will bump it up the list.
It's always good to see competition because it ultimately raises everyone's game. However, I'm not gonna lie, I am getting sick and tired of every new app being based on Electron. It's bad enough that Chrome totally dominates the web browser market, we really don't need that exact same engine giving Google a similar monopoly in desktop & mobile applications too.
I can only hope that the new cross-platform coding solutions that are emerging gain sufficient traction to become viable alternatives to Electron; (although looking at developer behaviour so far, it seems sadly unlikely). We will probably end up with a re-run of Blink vs Gecko, and we've already seen how that battle turned out (just look at Firefox's dwindling user base and Chrome using its dominance to attempt to eliminate image formats and destroy the open web with self-serving initiatives such as its Web Environment Integrity).
As a user. I agree.
As a small teamed dev, you have no other choice (if you want to release with reasonable time frames)
I've tried some other electron replacements there might be some hope out there.
Personally, I hate Electron. Not just because of its potential for monopoly, but also because it's just a slow, bloated, horrible user experience. You can't even do basic automation using end-user macro tools because the Electron UI elements are not individually named or addressable (as they are in every non-Electron program).
@TylerHallHiveTech I'm _not_ a developer. Which Electron alternatives do you think show the most promise? Is Tauri any good?
@@THX_1138 as a developer i can tell you that there are currently no effective alternatives to Electron for a production ready cross-platform desktop application. And although Electron has disadvantages it's not that terrible if the app is well optimized. heck vscode is quite okey and it's electron based. Also keep in mind that they plan to release an API and plugin support, and that's enabled to some extent by Anytype being Electron (any plugin is compatible with all platforms since it is just js+html+css).
i get the hate for electron but for projects of this size I think that it's a very sane decision from all perspectives
Great video! Thanks!
Finally someone who clearly breaks down how this actually functions/links and why the names for everything..... Finally
My problem is images.. Image control is horrible.
In version 1.4 Obsidian will have "properties" what will bring more ojectiv-like experience.
Awesome app, personally I did like it more than Obsidian. Thx a lot for the detailed explanation.
Oh boy. Here we go again. :-)
Hard to beat free with quality and community.
I like the way you offer a comparison to other tools. I'm sure for some, this is actually annoying but it helped me with a frame of reference.
The one thing I didn't get is "why would I want to switch to Anytype"? (I'm not saying it was your job to answer this question... it wasn't. I think any new tool needs to be answering that question, CLEARLY, on their own.)
I had a bit of a look at it but will be staying with Obsidian, although at the moment properties are breaking my dataviews.
Pretty comprehensive, just what I was looking for. Cheers 🍺
Thank you!
I miss the backlink handling in this program. But the project is really ambitious.
I've been using Obsidian for a few years just like you, and it does exactly what I need/want it to do. Anytype doesn't seem to be something I'd use. Thank you for saving me some time.
Thanks for sharing! And supporting!
Thanks for another excellent video! - So, you are saying that types in AnyType correspond to classes in Obsidian, but are these features really comparable? I believe that classes in Obsidian are basically CSS classes, so it's about how stuff is displayed. It appears to me that Types (of Objects) in AnyType is much more than that, or am I missing something? What I'm trying to understand is to what extent something similar to different object types can be recreated in Obsidian. - For example, I have notes in the "people" folder to indicate that they are people, but I believe Obsidian still treats these notes as mere notes, right? You can change how links to these notes are displayed using the "Supercharged Links" plugin, but that seems to be still quite different from what AnyType can do with people objects, right?
When I say classes I was referring to metadata menu classes.
The community plugin.
Not sure, but it doesn't seem like Anytype has the extremely limiting license for practically any type of use in a commercial setting that Obsidian does:
"If you use Obsidian for work in a company with two or more employees, you must purchase a Commercial license."
- From Obsidian's help page on their commercial license
I love this app too much it's all what I need.
I really like anytype
Thanks for this video! How about to importing from notion to anytype? How it works?
I don't use either tool so I am not sure. Sorry.
very good overview
Thanks, Danny. I can't give up Excalibrain. What about AI integration?
Not sure, didn't go much deeper than this because Obsidian suits me better.
@@DannyHatcherTech Thanks. It's good to check different apps. I did the same with Tana and turned my nose up. 😀
非常喜欢你的内容,支持
Notion has always annoyed the shit out of me (when I had to use it). So, I don't need anything that tries to be "like Notion" in any way.
No no no no no!
If people make better and better applications, how will I settle on to one? I am just getting used to Obsidian and this looks like it trumps Obsidian.
Seriously, this is great. It can do a lot for which we need plugins in Obsidian. And my experience with plugins in Obsidian is not great. Almost every plugin has some issue that I cannot figure out whether it is my inadequacy or a bug / feature of the plugin.
Now Obsidian only has Canvas for which it is still worth using. Otherwise, I am ready to jump.
Great video by the way. Very clear and precise. You have a beautiful brain to be able to present in such a manner.
Also, Danny, I did not find any mention of bidirectional relational databases like Notion. Can Anytype do that? If yes, I can replace Notion too with Anytype.
Relations in anytype are those 'properties'.
They are hidden in a flow section which can be created in the set or collections.
Pues actualmente anytype ya tiene varias funciones de las que escaseaba hace 3 meses
Yes, all apps develop fast 😁
Thanks Dan great video my thoughts its not very intuitive and there is friction and annoying stuff..so am sticking with notion and obsidian for the time being. Maybe at some point it will be a killer app...who said remember Roam!
Does/will anytype support plugins?
Not to my knowledge
I've watched a few videos about this app and I see nothing different from notion except for e2e and graph view (both of these I don't need). So no reason to switch for now
Nothing different? I'd consider privacy, autonomy, speed, and public source code huge differences that make it well worth the switch for many!
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Has anyone been able to change where Anytype stores its local files?
Not that I could find.
I think it is better to record first look videos with a light theme. It was really hard to understand the app elements.
The light theme is not readable on my setup in videos
I am using obsidian for two years. First time i checked on anytype i was looking for where the fuck is my daily calender. Then opening another page is opening another anytype app not like obsidian tab side by side. Immediately uninstall it. 😅😅 this can app do 0.01 percent in comparison of what obsidian did for me last two years. Its not even a competition. Its a 🤣🤣🤣 joke.
Looks too confusing. Don't see how this is an improvement over Obsidian. Too Notion like.
Capacities is better
It is on my list to test out 😁
Totally agree
@FocusF5-vq8yh how is it better , pls explain
It reminds me of puppet in terms of philosophy. First you spend ages building a skyscraper, then you can take refuge in it and avoid the rain.
Sets, collections and Object Orientation. What could go wrong? 😑
I came here because it said this was a beginners look at Anytype, and I am a beginner that literally just downloaded it. However, it was clear after a few minutes in that this was not a video for beginners, as the narrator continuously references other apps I’ve never heard of called Obsidian and Notion and keeps mentioning them when talking about the features of Anytype and saying how one is better than the other. That’s not what I’m here for based on the title of this video. I’m here to learn about how to use Anytype as a beginner. So, I’ve downrated this video. Sorry.
@@timz9862 understandable. Thanks for the feedback.
So, maybe it's just me having some intelligence issues, but ... really! This is less flexible, offers less features, and an has an even steeper learning curve than obsidian. Looks like the full fledged individual working environnement of someone having worked with obsidian for years ... and not bothered with facilitating his/her workflow since the start. I know that there are people blaming obsidian as to much steered towards programmers ... let them have a look at this! When you are working with obsidian, you are able to decide yourself, how much complexity you want ... here it is all part of the package which is not working without it. Much to much complex nesting within the object structure ... If you're a programmer, such a system with all its object relations might be a wet dream. I suppose for most of the users of obsidian, who are mostly concerned with practicallity in their work, it is not. thank you, but NO thank you. Sorry! --- But still - as always - a wonderful concise presentation, Danny.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I have had my eye any type for years since before it was released and I’m not in the mood to try to learn another new app’s steep learning curve. I have tried to tinker with it and hoped this video would help but it’s got way too much going on for me. My notes are heavily linked but not this complex
Nope they force a account on you definitely a no for me
All they ask for is a word to identify your space. It could be a name or something else. They don't ask for email or anything like that.