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Oh awesome! Ya come on by, we would love to talk about converting! Give me a heads up before you do, just in case we happen to not be there at that time. Would hate to miss you if you randomly came by.
Would you say this conversion makes the car a lot more 'fun' to drive? My 66 has the C4 with 2.80 gears and I'm looking to get a little more punch out of my stock 289. Not sure if I should start with a gear change, or go all in with a manual conversion. I love your vids by the way.
Oh, I forgot to ask. How did you know the trans output shaft would fit the driveshaft input shaft? Do a spline count or did you change the driveshaft input? Thanks much and Cheers from Motown.
So it pays to have a very good transmission guy. I drive 12 hours to have my guy work and build my transmissions. As long as you have the same spline count and the same output shaft length and the right extension housing, everything swaps over without issues. I used the same driveshaft that was in the car with the c4. But my guy knew what I was doing with this car and built the trans to make sure the conversion would go flawlessly.
Absolutely! There are lots of top loaders out there that came from different Ford's and have different lengths of output shafts and extension housings. So as long as your guy knows its for a Mustang that is getting a conversion, it will get done right! Cheers!
Alex...I am in need of your knowledge . I have a 1968 289 and am installing a 1998 m5r2 5 speed into a 2000 Ranger. What size of flywheel would I need? Weight, balanced or imbalanced, tooth count etc.. Thanks for your input.
Hi Alex my name is Alex too. what a great name lol. I have a ford 200ci with a c4 behind it in a 64 falcon. my question is, will a toploader bolt up in its place?
Ha ha! It's a great name indeed. A top loader should bolt up. You just need to change the bell housing and obviously get all the clutch and shift linkage.
Hello again Alex! Having trouble with my C-6 manual reverse valve body trans. It shifts 1-2-1. WTH? Must have been doing what when I bought the car, I just took it out after tons of work. Most parts came with it fairly new. Linkage adjusted right, trans well maintained, new fluid, pan, gasket filter. Modulator is hooked up (should'nt need it anyway with manual valve body).? Want to go back to original 4 speed toploader also. 67 Mustang 460, ex-390 4 speed car. Should bell housing on the C-6 fit the Top loader, drive shaft etc? I can measure first. What top loader would you suggest for the 460? Thanks for these videos! Appreciate you and all you do for us weekend warriors. Blessings from Michigan.
Hey Robert! Ya thats a weird deal shifting 1-2-1. I've got a C6 with a manual valve body behind the 460 in my 67 as well. I've been beating the snot out of that thing for years trying to get it to blow up but it just won't die on me. So transmissions are not my strong suit (I guess that means I need more practice). But I would assume you've probably lost 3rd gear somehow some way or you just have a valve body issue which is re-directing your fluid to engage 1st again rather than 3rd. Either way, it doesn't sound fun and installing the 4-speed sounds like more fun. So as far as which toploader to go with, the C6 bell housings don't come off like a C4 or toploader goes. So you'll have to try and track down a 4-speed bell that fits the 429/460 engine family (probably have to find one out of a pickup truck). As far as the which toploader goes, I would be looking for a Big block 390/428 toploader. The ones that came factory behind 460's were out of pickup trucks and you probably don't want that type of gearing. If you can find a big block 390/428 toploader that came out of a Mustang or Cougar (not a galaxie or anything else), that would probably be ideal. Check out David Kee toploaders for an ID chart www.davidkeetoploaders.com/idchart1.htm That should give you accurate ID tags to help you find what you're looking for. As far as driveshaft goes, I'm not sure if the length will be the same so you might have to have one made. I hope that answers your questions. As always you're welcome to ask as many questions as you would like and I will do my best to answer.
@@AlfsMustangGarage Thanks so much for your time and quick response! I might just start with pulling the valve body and checking all the solenoids first or swap it our for forward VB or regular VB with a shift kit. Have a great day Alex and stay safe out there and thanks again!
The process is the same but of course the components are going to be different. Finding the big block top loader is a little harder than the small block but they're out there.
@@AlfsMustangGarage really? All information is showing a 28 tooth spline on the 289’s all the way up too 390ci and bigger than the 390 is a 31 tooth I believe.
Well you may be correct. I definitely don't know everything there is to know. Your bell housing and clutch linkage will be different. But process is the same to convert.
@@AlfsMustangGarage tkx,, would you suggest to me a good low cost stock shifter for me,,it's a 68mustang-couger,31spline, wide ratio ,4speed,, shifter mounts all the way on the end of the tail housing with 3bolts,,, I'm putting together a salvaged 65 mustang with a 68,302 Mexican block,,it currently has a top loader 3speed,,that needs a mild rebuild,, the shift shafts are rounded off to the point of all most no grip,,I have all but spot welded the lever's onto them,,plus it's got an 8"rear end,,it winds up pretty tight,,hard to get to third gear,,,,,
So you'll want to do your research here. A 31 spline wide ratio 4 speed is quite rare and likely not going to be compatible with your 3 speed driveshaft. Sounds like you might have a early 70's top loader off a 351 cleveland out of a Torino or Fairlane.
@@AlfsMustangGarage the I'd. this: RUGE 2 024759,,, I tried to find this on line it said: 68 mustang-couger 289 302 wise ratio ,,, can you help with this info, Input shaft is 10 splines,,
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I just love those gloves! Great job again Alex!
Thank you!
Doin the lord's work bruv
Good videos. I'd like to stop by your shop with my 66 fastback and see about a 4 speed conversion- I live down the street in Clearfield.
Oh awesome! Ya come on by, we would love to talk about converting! Give me a heads up before you do, just in case we happen to not be there at that time. Would hate to miss you if you randomly came by.
What bellhousing and throwout bearing did you use? LOVE THE AMZN LINKS YOU POST TO PRODUCTS..
great vids
Thank you!
Would you say this conversion makes the car a lot more 'fun' to drive? My 66 has the C4 with 2.80 gears and I'm looking to get a little more punch out of my stock 289. Not sure if I should start with a gear change, or go all in with a manual conversion. I love your vids by the way.
Oh thanks! In my opinion, yes absolutely more fun. Plus you'll get more power to transfer to your wheels just from it being a manual.
Oh, I forgot to ask. How did you know the trans output shaft would fit the driveshaft input shaft? Do a spline count or did you change the driveshaft input? Thanks much and Cheers from Motown.
So it pays to have a very good transmission guy. I drive 12 hours to have my guy work and build my transmissions. As long as you have the same spline count and the same output shaft length and the right extension housing, everything swaps over without issues. I used the same driveshaft that was in the car with the c4. But my guy knew what I was doing with this car and built the trans to make sure the conversion would go flawlessly.
@@AlfsMustangGarage Thanks so much for your reply!! It pays to communicate right?
Absolutely! There are lots of top loaders out there that came from different Ford's and have different lengths of output shafts and extension housings. So as long as your guy knows its for a Mustang that is getting a conversion, it will get done right! Cheers!
Alex...I am in need of your knowledge . I have a 1968 289 and am installing a 1998 m5r2 5 speed into a 2000 Ranger. What size of flywheel would I need? Weight, balanced or imbalanced, tooth count etc.. Thanks for your input.
I'm afraid I am not going to know the answers to these questions.
When you swap to manual, do you have to change the STARTER to manual starter??
No, the starters are the same.
what size clutch would I need for a 289 to a m5r2 transmission?
Do you need a different drive shaft or is the automatic one compatible with the top loader?
The automatic one is compatible. We used the same one on this car.
@@AlfsMustangGarage Great thanks
Which 4 speed trans are you using? he does not respond to comments.
Hi Alex my name is Alex too. what a great name lol. I have a ford 200ci with a c4 behind it in a 64 falcon. my question is, will a toploader bolt up in its place?
Ha ha! It's a great name indeed. A top loader should bolt up. You just need to change the bell housing and obviously get all the clutch and shift linkage.
Hi,I putting my transmission back together, there is a wire,angle that came off and I didn't see where it came from?
Any idea Thanks
What kind of transmission do you have?
Hello again Alex! Having trouble with my C-6 manual reverse valve body trans. It shifts 1-2-1. WTH? Must have been doing what when I bought the car, I just took it out after tons of work. Most parts came with it fairly new. Linkage adjusted right, trans well maintained, new fluid, pan, gasket filter. Modulator is hooked up (should'nt need it anyway with manual valve body).? Want to go back to original 4 speed toploader also. 67 Mustang 460, ex-390 4 speed car. Should bell housing on the C-6 fit the Top loader, drive shaft etc? I can measure first. What top loader would you suggest for the 460? Thanks for these videos! Appreciate you and all you do for us weekend warriors. Blessings from Michigan.
Hey Robert! Ya thats a weird deal shifting 1-2-1. I've got a C6 with a manual valve body behind the 460 in my 67 as well. I've been beating the snot out of that thing for years trying to get it to blow up but it just won't die on me. So transmissions are not my strong suit (I guess that means I need more practice). But I would assume you've probably lost 3rd gear somehow some way or you just have a valve body issue which is re-directing your fluid to engage 1st again rather than 3rd. Either way, it doesn't sound fun and installing the 4-speed sounds like more fun. So as far as which toploader to go with, the C6 bell housings don't come off like a C4 or toploader goes. So you'll have to try and track down a 4-speed bell that fits the 429/460 engine family (probably have to find one out of a pickup truck). As far as the which toploader goes, I would be looking for a Big block 390/428 toploader. The ones that came factory behind 460's were out of pickup trucks and you probably don't want that type of gearing. If you can find a big block 390/428 toploader that came out of a Mustang or Cougar (not a galaxie or anything else), that would probably be ideal. Check out David Kee toploaders for an ID chart www.davidkeetoploaders.com/idchart1.htm That should give you accurate ID tags to help you find what you're looking for. As far as driveshaft goes, I'm not sure if the length will be the same so you might have to have one made. I hope that answers your questions. As always you're welcome to ask as many questions as you would like and I will do my best to answer.
@@AlfsMustangGarage Thanks so much for your time and quick response! I might just start with pulling the valve body and checking all the solenoids first or swap it our for forward VB or regular VB with a shift kit. Have a great day Alex and stay safe out there and thanks again!
Sounds good, good luck!
Question, is there a difference doing the same conversion on a 67 fastback GTA 390ci?
The process is the same but of course the components are going to be different. Finding the big block top loader is a little harder than the small block but they're out there.
@@AlfsMustangGarage really? All information is showing a 28 tooth spline on the 289’s all the way up too 390ci and bigger than the 390 is a 31 tooth I believe.
Well you may be correct. I definitely don't know everything there is to know. Your bell housing and clutch linkage will be different. But process is the same to convert.
how much will it cost in america to convert to a 4 speed toploader with all the parts?i'm from europe
Oh you're going to be in the ball park of $4000 USD for the parts.
@@AlfsMustangGarage does this include labor?
My apologies, I was reviewing my invoice on this job, the $4000 was just to cover the transmission and all related parts. The labor was about $1500.
@@AlfsMustangGarage that sounds about right. I was going to say that's a bargain if it included labor. Let me know if you can do it all for $4k :)
Lol ya I got to thinking about it and reviewed the ticket. I just did a lot to that car all at the same time so I had to look it over lol
Is a three speed top loader compatible with a four speed top loader drive shaft of the same year's?
Yes
@@AlfsMustangGarage tkx,, would you suggest to me a good low cost stock shifter for me,,it's a 68mustang-couger,31spline, wide ratio ,4speed,, shifter mounts all the way on the end of the tail housing with 3bolts,,,
I'm putting together a salvaged 65 mustang with a 68,302 Mexican block,,it currently has a top loader 3speed,,that needs a mild rebuild,, the shift shafts are rounded off to the point of all most no grip,,I have all but spot welded the lever's onto them,,plus it's got an 8"rear end,,it winds up pretty tight,,hard to get to third gear,,,,,
So you'll want to do your research here. A 31 spline wide ratio 4 speed is quite rare and likely not going to be compatible with your 3 speed driveshaft. Sounds like you might have a early 70's top loader off a 351 cleveland out of a Torino or Fairlane.
@@AlfsMustangGarage the I'd. this: RUGE 2 024759,,,
I tried to find this on line it said: 68 mustang-couger 289 302 wise ratio ,,, can you help with this info,
Input shaft is 10 splines,,
I will look into that. Are you sure its a 31 spline output shaft? Google David Kee toploaders. You'll be able to decode your ID tag there.