Some timestamps: 1:14:25 Cultural competencies for astrologers ; what could be useful for consulting astrologers to know or to be thinking about in terms of trans experiences 1:17:30 What if you did not assume that your client was cisgender ? Putting into question how gender bias might influence an astrologer’s reading of a birth chart 1:25:00 What is gender dysphoria? 1:26:20 Are transgender people a new phenomenon? 1:29:20 Trans experiences in natal astrology ; Uranus aspects 1:34:00 Trans identification with « alienated » placements ie detriment, fall 1:36:40 Trans identification with first house emphasis 1:37:11 Example of Pallas conjunct ruler of the Ascendant 1:38:10 Going through the Houses: First House and transitioning 1:43:46 Second House, resources available to support transitioning 1:50:00 Changing names; 1H and 10H transits 1:52:15 Being in the closet and astro signifiers of things which are hidden 1:55:20 Third House, discussion of Sylvia Rivera’s chart and trans kinship 1:59:40 Kate Bornstein’s chart, social media, Mercury 12H 2:04:57 Fourth House, family and housing, Pluto as abuse of power 2:07:16 Sylvia Rivera as an example of ruler of the Ascendant in the Fourth 2:14:00 Fifth House, feeling alienated from sexual pleasure as a trans person, sex work, Stonewall riot 2:21:27 Creativity, re-inventing yourself and artistic proclivities as a trans person 2:22:23 Discussion of the chart of Natalie Wynn aka Contrapoints, brilliant trans media-maker / performer 2:24:55 Transitioning at the end of a Saturn return with Saturn-Uranus conjunction; Saturn as denial 2:27:17 Transit of Saturn (malefic contrary to sect) in 3H and Twitter « cancelling » 2:28:45 Shout to Irina Tudor @queerastrodata who should be featured in a future episode 2:30:39 Sixth House; social hierarchies, opportunies and challenges in the workplace, seeking trans medical care 2:34:05 Seventh House; fetichisation of trans people, dismantling cisgender shame around desiring trans people, stability of relationships throughout transition journey 2:38:56 Eighth House and the topic of death; more than half of trans youth have attempted suicide, mourning murdered trans people, discussion of intersectionality, inheritances 2:48:36 Ninth House, discussion of trans studies and gender studies, Judith Butler, looking up a diversity of charts as astrologers as pertains to our interests, astrology as a reflect of culture 2:58:00 Inaccessibility of trans healthcare and traveling for transition healthcare as a 9H topic, 9H issues as a trans person who travels and encounters transphobia 3:00:10 Tenth House; Janet Mock, Laverne Cox and iconic cover of Time magazine. Being visible and famous partly because of their transition (Caitlyn Jenner), being in documentaries, movies, etc. «Disclosure» documentary about trans representation in media. Shout out to Chani Nicholas. «Y’all better quiet down now» speech by Sylvia Rivera. 3:11:30 Eleventh House; connecting with other people over worldviews, trans liberation movement ; marching in the streets, activism 3:16:50 Twelfth House; being exiled from society as a trans person. Imprisonment, prison, hospitals. 1 in 6 of trans people have already been incarcerated, 1 in 2 for black trans people. Miss Major Griffin-Gracy’s activism. Violence coded as protection in trans experiences with the industrial prison complex. (I've started taking note of it late into the episode, I'll try and edit this comment later to add to it when I re-watch it!)
This video is perfect timing!! This year I have been transitioning from male to female, and this transition has basically taught me Astrology. I've been following the transits this entire year and saw how Astrology was working in my own life, and quite visibly too! Every step of this transition and my journey has matched up with movement of the planets in my chart exactly! I started this year pre-transition and kinda skeptical about Astrology, and now I'm finally being my true self and transitioning, and I know for a fact that Astrology is real, because I cannot deny what has Astrology has shown me in my own life.
This is so similar to my story! I started transitioning about 6 years ago and astrology really helped guide me through the process and know who I truly am and actually appreciate that person
Chris, this podcast has enriched my life... in so many ways, in so many dimensions. Let me say it simply- you are the kind of friend any inquiring soul YEARNS to have. May you see that the Universe is a mansion that the Divine built for YOU! Respect and deep REGARDS!
I just wanted to say thanks for maintaining a platform that is welcoming to a wide variety of guests from different backgrounds. So happy to be a regular listener.
Brought me to tears so very moving. 😭 Absolutely brilliant episode Chris and Michael, bravo!👏🏽 Informative insightful presentation done with compassion, passion, and respect. 🙌🏾 Honouring those for whom the fight, was too much or those who fell victim to the ugly violence of small minded weaker individuals. 🥺 Heartbreaking 😭 especially because it’s a fight for things and in ways no human should have to face. I think what this community is doing for themselves is benefiting humanity as a whole. It’s courageous, liberating and Revolutionary! 🥳🌈 So thank you Revolutionaries! ✊🏾 By fighting to be you whatever that is you’re exemplifying and giving us all permission to imagine, explore and express more deeply more fully and authentically who we’ve always meant to have been. Nga mihi 🙏🌈✊🏾💯💗
Im watching this video over and over again . It has so much important information. Its a great class! I love both of them! It is the first time i hear of michael Morris and definitly i will keep following them. I love them now!
I read sometime ago in one of my books that the person may have been born many times as one gender and in this lifetime is born the opposite sex and feel uncomfortable. Uranus often is involved and is making stress aspects to other points. I try to reserve judgment, as I am 15 degrees Libra ascendant. 8 14 1950. There is a reason I was born into a family with no books in the home and an alcoholic father. My intention is to pay back old karma so I may enjoy a better life in the next one. I started to write this sentence when you said born into. The timing of things always amaze me.
It's my 'take the pill for ADHD and study all day long' day and I'm bringing on cast eps again. Non-binary language embodies non-binary thinking. Therein lies the challenge as well as the reward. I am still practicing this skill and find it greatly advancing my growth as a person other than merely being civil to marginalised societies. The 5th-10th aspect and sexuality related work is interesting! Modern astrologers use the 2nd and 8th but I did not think of the 5th-10th! One of my career hats has been working in the sex education/healing sexuality after trauma field. That's not sex work per-se but maybe it has connection that I was unaware of.
I had decided to watch this video after reevaluating if you could determine if a person is born male, female, both, or neither in a chart. This video was very well done and is a great foundation of understanding gender, sex, orientation, etc. and that it's not always a binary system.
This!!!!! Amazing and insightful conversation. Thank you for bringing this conversation to the podcast Chris....so important on so many levels! You both made my day!!!
This definitely relies on modern astrology very heavily. I’m curious about not using Uranus-Pluto in the interpretation. But still helpful to see other charts in general. Thank you.
I like the fact that they always asks "Does that make sense?" after explaining a complex subject matter so succinctly. Is there a Mercury/Moon opposition or Moon/Merc/Sun in the 7th house? Maybe lots of oppositions in the chart? Because this to me usually manifests as the unconscious need for external participation i.e. "are you with me?" , "do you get where I am coming from?" Etc.
Thank you for doing this Chris!!! I can't believe this is happening... I appreciate The Astrology Podcast for giving a platform to BIPOC and LGBTQA people. Astrology being inclusive, truly!
So wonderful to see this discussion! I just followed Michael on IG.. don't know if Michael has a YT channel? This provides insight about how astrology works under different gender classifications. Thank you Chris for keeping your podcast open minded. 👍 🌙 ✨ 🕯 🗝
Hi, could you turn on the automatic youtube subtitles to work on this video? I am not an English speaker and I would love to understand a little more. Thank you so much!
I have it turned on, but for some reason RUclips doesn't always generate them automatically for some videos, or sometimes it does but it just takes a while. I'm not sure why.
When I first started getting into astrology the thing that always bothered me most was how gendered and hetero-normative it was. Thank you so much for doing this episode!!!
Michael I love this so much! We all need better education and awareness around gender and identity. Thanks 🙏🏼 for your insights. BTW-I have that same mirror 🌞.
I am just now watching through the houses and I just want to thank you Micheal and Chris for this thorough discussion. There really is so much to this topic but I think it's really important to remember the point from the beginning, you can't tell if a chart is a man or woman or event etc and is it really helpful to ask why is someone trans or is it best just to help them how you can and be understanding. P.S. Disclosure is an amazing documentary and it's a lot of fun looking at all these trans charts
Thanks both of you, I already knew Chris Brennan's work, but Michael also gave rich insight into astrology and gender studies. Not only a great class about astrology, but also humanities (my main field of studies). And as a human being, it's a great part of our growth to put ourselves in the shoes of others. Loved those final words about the world we want to live in
This is a very interesting topic. It is sad that the society is still ignorant of the various types of sexuality. Every male and female has masculine and feminine qualities. Maybe parents need to stop having gender reveal parties and having pink for girls and blue for boys. Certain toys are for boys and girls. Let the child explore and not impose these rules on a child.
I felt your 2021 libra rising horoscope was great but for a cis person and wonder if it would have been different if you had considered the trans experience.
The age of Aquarius is androgynous and that alone is the reason we are coming to grips with expressions of persons. Just read in the new book: Breath by James Nestor that expression is opposite depression. We are coming out of Pisces I (the age), the last half being the most cruel. Because it is just before the new growth of the new year begins to happen. Comparing a year to an age.
Three thumbs up!! Thank you Chris and Michael. Also, xref Katie Couric, Natl Geo Documentary. Gender Revolution. Very good. On Netflix. Katie discusses internal nature which can differ from gender. Subtle and intricate. I can relate.
I feel part of my trans experience has been me becoming more accepting of others, accepting them as they are, not as I want them to be. And becoming more aware of my social privileges. It would be interesting to see my chart to understand my above biases, specially during these Uranus squares in 2021. My venus and Mars retrogrades in 2020 have been a particularly personal this year and my trans-feminine journey has become very obvious.
This is interesting, but I’m not sure why it’s necessary to state ones race or expect another to do so as well; that makes me very uncomfortable. I would feel offended if someone felt like they needed to know my race in order to know how to “properly” interact with me. That sounds much more like patronism than respect. I fail to see the value in attempting to normalize race-labeling. And, for the record, I’m not white. I’ll leave it at that.
The American Indians in order to control their population selected certain men to service the other men as a way of making their society work. And allowed women to have a child after the former child was seven years old.
Love this. Makes my mom heart happy 🌈🌱🙏❤️ haven’t watched yet but I assume my super AMAZING trans sons Venus in Gemini may have something to do with it, but I ADORE that I can point out what else in his chart confirms what we’ve known since age 3💕♥️💜🦄😘thank you.... besides just the brain scans and heightened testosterone since birth that mayos transgender clinic found. ❤️💥😘🌈💜💜💜💜
Known what since age three, exactly? That your child didn’t fit the personality/behavior you expected of them, so they must actually be a boy? I’m sure your child IS amazing just the way they are.
@@user-df7xe3rt7g that my child felt more himself being able to express himself as a male. And i.... Whom I as a mother in a small midwest town, a christian environment in the early 2000s prior to LAWS that are rarely followed anyway... FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL FOR HIM being able to FLOURISH as himself including BUT NOT LIMITED TO going WITHOUT to file paperwork when schools REFUSED to use his preferred name..."because it wasn't on his birth certificate". But would allow any *kenny* to be called *buck* ... Went without new clothing or food to find him a gender confirmation therapist so he could see HE was okay JUST AS HE WAS and take him to a Minnesota courthouse in a SMALL MIDWEST COUNTY to change his name AND GENDER on his original birth certificate when HE WAS READY to allow him to boss up and say f you to any remaining discrimination as it pertains to those that refused to be "human" to him. .. the teachers who had called him "it" the urinary tract infections he would get from not being allowed a bathroom... . Yeah. I was his cheerleader far before he was able to be. And I'm sorry if it upsets you that I didn't "psychically" know at his birth ... But that gift didn't come to me until I had my 12th house 8th house activations. And guess what? Coming "out" to my UBER CHRISTIAN FAMILY about how I was talking to my dead relatives WAS TERRIFYING. the only difference? I KNEW that my mom had pre sent my dad dreams. In my world... The LGBTQ 💕 hearts. Lives. Battles. Are the PUREST. I knew WHO MY SON WAS but until a strait girl has to RISK IT ALL to "come out" one will never ever ever realize the nature of that experience..... But. For my son and so many it's SOOOOOO much scarier.... as you do not have spirits confirming they are showing up ahead of time to pre confirm the message. 🙏And as a medium. Feeling that purity of heart.... That exposure just to BE WHAT IS TRUE is the most gorgeous expression once made. I believe.... It may be why I have that gift.... To feel that terror. And I have been told I will use that "knowing" to help others. And I have, let parents that cannot "see it on their own" know this.... If they trust my message from aunt mauve.... it assists in that knowing too. So I know... Your anger, your angst, your struggle..... And it is justified. Very. And all I can say is that hearts like yours..... That have been through it all for truth.... Will lead the way for others, and for that I say "thank you" and the world is blessed to have such evolved souls. Nameste my beautiful 🌱 friend, best wishes on your path
Great talk.... As a trans person I'd say, it is not always appropriate to ask for preferred pronouns as soon as you find someone is trans. I am post-op female to male trans who fully passes as a cis-gender man. There is no way anyone could suspect otherwise unless I tell them (and I almost never do because it is often irrelavent). But it has happened on rare occasions that I did tell someone I was trans (and I did deliberately mentioned female to male in order to eliminate any confusion that I might be a bio male who identifies as a woman) yet the person ended up asking me what pronoun I would prefer! Well, if I went through so much trouble to have surgery and hormone therapy and to transform my body from female to male, and I am fully presenting myself as male in social settings, then I identify as a he. What is the point of having surgery and passing as male if I wanted to keep the "she" pronoun?!...I know those people did it with good intention and out of courtesy, and I do appreciate their courtesy, but it did feel wiered and a tad offensive. so i'd say, dont follow it like a written on stone rule to ask every person who told you they are trans what pronouns they like. use your common sense. P.s. I have the ruler of Asc (Saturn) combusted in the 6th H in a T square to Uranus, Jupiter, and Chiron and sun of course too. Also venus and moon are in fall, Mars (MC ruler) and Saturn (chart ruler) in determent....So a lot of points you guys raised make sense in my case: the ruler of Asc being under the beam of sun (so most people, including many of my friends, don't even know I am trans.
I had this friend , a Leo woman who was thinking about Identifiying as non-binary. I thought, non-binary is under the umbrella of trans like most of my friends who are non- B. Later on she went on to explain that she was at a club attracted to a man who 2 hrs later turned out to be a trans man. She felt betrayed/ angry or upset even, by a stranger enjoying there time with her. There were several other moments that day that were contradicting. Ever since that day, I've kept a distance. It's not because she can't Do what ever makes her happy. It was just the blatant Lack of self awareness. She's thinking of doing something that would fit her better, even consulting friends about it. Hoping for acceptance like everyone. I don't judge her, we are all working on something but her perceptions splashed on to everyone.
I am not sure I understood what you wrote there. But i am interested. Are you finding her need to affirm herself via the acceptance from others as concerning? Thus her need to chop and change if/when it suits her ? Whilst being tone-deaf to identity issues that affect others more deeply?
Excellent, intelligent, very informative and beautiful discussion here. Thank you both for a job well done. I was however, very disappointed that there were no charts of notable transgender men! Next time? I hope you all do another episode at some point.
The anonymous example I mentioned at one point was of a transgender man, but I didn't have permission to show the entire chart. I'll definitely make it a point to try to bring in more charts next time though.
This could be a whole new genre in New New Age Astrology. Egoic-TriniTi astrology? What happened to Zeus, The King of the Gods, he put everyone else in the stars but himself?
English is the latest language to be Invented. And was designed to keep out the people who were not taught it natively. Is ambiguous and arbitrary. So to know only English is somewhat limiting in that we must interpret what we think others are conveying.
Some timestamps:
1:14:25 Cultural competencies for astrologers ; what could be useful for consulting astrologers to know or to be thinking about in terms of trans experiences
1:17:30 What if you did not assume that your client was cisgender ? Putting into question how gender bias might influence an astrologer’s reading of a birth chart
1:25:00 What is gender dysphoria?
1:26:20 Are transgender people a new phenomenon?
1:29:20 Trans experiences in natal astrology ; Uranus aspects
1:34:00 Trans identification with « alienated » placements ie detriment, fall
1:36:40 Trans identification with first house emphasis
1:37:11 Example of Pallas conjunct ruler of the Ascendant
1:38:10 Going through the Houses: First House and transitioning
1:43:46 Second House, resources available to support transitioning
1:50:00 Changing names; 1H and 10H transits
1:52:15 Being in the closet and astro signifiers of things which are hidden
1:55:20 Third House, discussion of Sylvia Rivera’s chart and trans kinship
1:59:40 Kate Bornstein’s chart, social media, Mercury 12H
2:04:57 Fourth House, family and housing, Pluto as abuse of power
2:07:16 Sylvia Rivera as an example of ruler of the Ascendant in the Fourth
2:14:00 Fifth House, feeling alienated from sexual pleasure as a trans person, sex work, Stonewall riot
2:21:27 Creativity, re-inventing yourself and artistic proclivities as a trans person
2:22:23 Discussion of the chart of Natalie Wynn aka Contrapoints, brilliant trans media-maker / performer
2:24:55 Transitioning at the end of a Saturn return with Saturn-Uranus conjunction; Saturn as denial
2:27:17 Transit of Saturn (malefic contrary to sect) in 3H and Twitter « cancelling »
2:28:45 Shout to Irina Tudor @queerastrodata who should be featured in a future episode
2:30:39 Sixth House; social hierarchies, opportunies and challenges in the workplace, seeking trans medical care
2:34:05 Seventh House; fetichisation of trans people, dismantling cisgender shame around desiring trans people, stability of relationships throughout transition journey
2:38:56 Eighth House and the topic of death; more than half of trans youth have attempted suicide, mourning murdered trans people, discussion of intersectionality, inheritances
2:48:36 Ninth House, discussion of trans studies and gender studies, Judith Butler, looking up a diversity of charts as astrologers as pertains to our interests, astrology as a reflect of culture
2:58:00 Inaccessibility of trans healthcare and traveling for transition healthcare as a 9H topic, 9H issues as a trans person who travels and encounters transphobia
3:00:10 Tenth House; Janet Mock, Laverne Cox and iconic cover of Time magazine. Being visible and famous partly because of their transition (Caitlyn Jenner), being in documentaries, movies, etc. «Disclosure» documentary about trans representation in media. Shout out to Chani Nicholas. «Y’all better quiet down now» speech by Sylvia Rivera.
3:11:30 Eleventh House; connecting with other people over worldviews, trans liberation movement ; marching in the streets, activism
3:16:50 Twelfth House; being exiled from society as a trans person. Imprisonment, prison, hospitals. 1 in 6 of trans people have already been incarcerated, 1 in 2 for black trans people. Miss Major Griffin-Gracy’s activism. Violence coded as protection in trans experiences with the industrial prison complex.
(I've started taking note of it late into the episode, I'll try and edit this comment later to add to it when I re-watch it!)
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!! 🌟
As a transgender astrologer - I am so happy to see this talked about on your platform
@@lindagordon7367 no- I’m vegan 👌🏻🌱❤️
Same. I’m kinda nervous to listen since it’s often transphobic when covered. Fingers crossed.
Listening to a conversation about trans issues makes non-trans people reflect on many things that were hidden, repressed. THANKS!
I’m also a trans astrologer and so very happy to see this video! Thank you, Chris, for making this happen.
This video is perfect timing!! This year I have been transitioning from male to female, and this transition has basically taught me Astrology. I've been following the transits this entire year and saw how Astrology was working in my own life, and quite visibly too! Every step of this transition and my journey has matched up with movement of the planets in my chart exactly!
I started this year pre-transition and kinda skeptical about Astrology, and now I'm finally being my true self and transitioning, and I know for a fact that Astrology is real, because I cannot deny what has Astrology has shown me in my own life.
This is so similar to my story! I started transitioning about 6 years ago and astrology really helped guide me through the process and know who I truly am and actually appreciate that person
OMG congrats Michael J Morris for being brought onto this podcast! I recently got a reading from them and it was so transformative and warming.
Chris, this podcast has enriched my life... in so many ways, in so many dimensions. Let me say it simply- you are the kind of friend any inquiring soul YEARNS to have. May you see that the Universe is a mansion that the Divine built for YOU! Respect and deep REGARDS!
💯🙏🏽❤️
I just wanted to say thanks for maintaining a platform that is welcoming to a wide variety of guests from different backgrounds. So happy to be a regular listener.
Agreed!!!
This conversation is the start of inclusively with the Trans Culture!
The timing is perfect...🙌🙌🙌to the both of you!
Excellent. Michael is also a star in putting things into words clearly and interestingly.
Brought me to tears so very moving. 😭 Absolutely brilliant episode Chris and Michael, bravo!👏🏽 Informative insightful presentation done with compassion, passion, and respect. 🙌🏾 Honouring those for whom the fight, was too much or those who fell victim to the ugly violence of small minded weaker individuals. 🥺 Heartbreaking 😭 especially because it’s a fight for things and in ways no human should have to face. I think what this community is doing for themselves is benefiting humanity as a whole. It’s courageous, liberating and Revolutionary! 🥳🌈 So thank you Revolutionaries! ✊🏾 By fighting to be you whatever that is you’re exemplifying and giving us all permission to imagine, explore and express more deeply more fully and authentically who we’ve always meant to have been. Nga mihi 🙏🌈✊🏾💯💗
As a new astrologer and a Non-binary Trans person, this is inspiring! Thank you Chris! Perfect week for it too!! Happy Trans awareness week!
The Evolution of Humanity & Astrology, Love It! Thanks Xo
I love how articulate you are dear Michael! Thank you for this. And very happy to see this conversation here Chris! 🙏
Very much appreciate the presentation of Michael J Morris, and the clarity of the conversation. Very timely in my current work.
Thank you, Magdalena!
An amazing, insightful, enlightening episode. I love both of you for making this conversation and putting it out in the world!
Thank you for watching, Ellie!
Thank you so much for this episode. My daughter is trans and I have been really curious about this as I’ve been deep diving into astrology this year.
Im watching this video over and over again . It has so much important information. Its a great class!
I love both of them!
It is the first time i hear of michael Morris and definitly i will keep following them. I love them now!
Loving the examples of the ways in which these scenarios can play out throughout the 12 houses!
So happy you're doing this. You're shining a light Chris. /a trans follower
Such a wonderful episode please keep uploading interviews with intersectional astrologers.
I read sometime ago in one of my books that the person may have been born many times as one gender and in this lifetime is born the opposite sex and feel uncomfortable. Uranus often is involved and is making stress aspects to other points. I try to reserve judgment, as I am 15 degrees Libra ascendant. 8 14 1950.
There is a reason I was born into a family with no books in the home and an alcoholic father. My intention is to pay back old karma so I may enjoy a better life in the next one. I started to write this sentence when you said born into. The timing of things always amaze me.
I never clicked on a thumbnail so fast!
Hard same
Same!
Thank you so much for this 💗 My family thanks you too. Remember those we've lost. Awareness is key. Blessed be ✨
So very well spoken . A pleasure to listen to you both.
Indeed!
Incredibly informative. Thank you!
It's my 'take the pill for ADHD and study all day long' day and I'm bringing on cast eps again.
Non-binary language embodies non-binary thinking. Therein lies the challenge as well as the reward. I am still practicing this skill and find it greatly advancing my growth as a person other than merely being civil to marginalised societies.
The 5th-10th aspect and sexuality related work is interesting! Modern astrologers use the 2nd and 8th but I did not think of the 5th-10th! One of my career hats has been working in the sex education/healing sexuality after trauma field. That's not sex work per-se but maybe it has connection that I was unaware of.
Thank you for using your platform for this Chris! A very much needed discussion in the Astrology community.
So very happy to see this. Thank you, thank you.
I am so happy watching this video, I am watching piece by piece so I won't skip a word : )
Great subject. Thank you both
I had decided to watch this video after reevaluating if you could determine if a person is born male, female, both, or neither in a chart. This video was very well done and is a great foundation of understanding gender, sex, orientation, etc. and that it's not always a binary system.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for this!. I love and follow this podcast, and i´ve been waiting for a video like this one. Greeting form Argentina.
This!!!!! Amazing and insightful conversation. Thank you for bringing this conversation to the podcast Chris....so important on so many levels! You both made my day!!!
Every single moment of this conversation was enlightening and enriching. Thank you!!
What an incredible episode and how nice to get it on a Monday which is the planetary day of the Moon.
This definitely relies on modern astrology very heavily. I’m curious about not using Uranus-Pluto in the interpretation. But still helpful to see other charts in general. Thank you.
This discussion is wonderful!
thank you for this very necessary and enlightening conversation
I like the fact that they always asks "Does that make sense?" after explaining a complex subject matter so succinctly. Is there a Mercury/Moon opposition or Moon/Merc/Sun in the 7th house? Maybe lots of oppositions in the chart? Because this to me usually manifests as the unconscious need for external participation i.e. "are you with me?" , "do you get where I am coming from?" Etc.
Thank you for doing this Chris!!! I can't believe this is happening... I appreciate
The Astrology Podcast for giving a platform to BIPOC and LGBTQA people. Astrology being inclusive, truly!
So wonderful to see this discussion! I just followed Michael on IG.. don't know if Michael has a YT channel?
This provides insight about how astrology works under different gender classifications.
Thank you Chris for keeping your podcast open minded. 👍 🌙 ✨ 🕯 🗝
Hi, could you turn on the automatic youtube subtitles to work on this video? I am not an English speaker and I would love to understand a little more. Thank you so much!
I have it turned on, but for some reason RUclips doesn't always generate them automatically for some videos, or sometimes it does but it just takes a while. I'm not sure why.
More LGBT+ things in astrology would be awesome. I’d also be curious to see things like what the transits were for stonewall and things like that.
When I first started getting into astrology the thing that always bothered me most was how gendered and hetero-normative it was. Thank you so much for doing this episode!!!
Michael I love this so much! We all need better education and awareness around gender and identity. Thanks 🙏🏼 for your insights. BTW-I have that same mirror 🌞.
Killing it Chris!!! Awesome 🔥🔥🔥
This was amazing and so important! Thank you both
I am just now watching through the houses and I just want to thank you Micheal and Chris for this thorough discussion. There really is so much to this topic but I think it's really important to remember the point from the beginning, you can't tell if a chart is a man or woman or event etc and is it really helpful to ask why is someone trans or is it best just to help them how you can and be understanding.
P.S. Disclosure is an amazing documentary and it's a lot of fun looking at all these trans charts
Thanks both of you, I already knew Chris Brennan's work, but Michael also gave rich insight into astrology and gender studies. Not only a great class about astrology, but also humanities (my main field of studies). And as a human being, it's a great part of our growth to put ourselves in the shoes of others. Loved those final words about the world we want to live in
This was beyond fantastic... Thank you both for a sensitive and insightful discussion! 💕
Not me geeking out over Natalie Wynn’s chart. 🤩
Another trans astrologer here- THANK YOU! 🔥🔥🔥💚💚💚
Loved the power of the sentence " being an event" !
So many fun references! I need to go back to write them down .
Thank you so much for this episode
This is a very interesting topic. It is sad that the society is still ignorant of the various types of sexuality. Every male and female has masculine and feminine qualities. Maybe parents need to stop having gender reveal parties and having pink for girls and blue for boys. Certain toys are for boys and girls. Let the child explore and not impose these rules on a child.
I really appreciated this episode
We live in a world of oppression and we are going toward a world of tolerance as the age is changing.
I felt your 2021 libra rising horoscope was great but for a cis person and wonder if it would have been different if you had considered the trans experience.
How about Rene Richards the tennis player
The age of Aquarius is androgynous and that alone is the reason we are coming to grips with expressions of persons. Just read in the new book: Breath by James Nestor that expression is opposite depression. We are coming out of Pisces
I (the age), the last half being the most cruel. Because it is just before the new growth of the new year begins to happen.
Comparing a year to an age.
Three thumbs up!! Thank you Chris and Michael. Also, xref Katie Couric, Natl Geo Documentary. Gender Revolution. Very good. On Netflix. Katie discusses internal nature which can differ from gender. Subtle and intricate. I can relate.
I feel part of my trans experience has been me becoming more accepting of others, accepting them as they are, not as I want them to be. And becoming more aware of my social privileges. It would be interesting to see my chart to understand my above biases, specially during these Uranus squares in 2021. My venus and Mars retrogrades in 2020 have been a particularly personal this year and my trans-feminine journey has become very obvious.
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This is interesting, but I’m not sure why it’s necessary to state ones race or expect another to do so as well; that makes me very uncomfortable. I would feel offended if someone felt like they needed to know my race in order to know how to “properly” interact with me. That sounds much more like patronism than respect. I fail to see the value in attempting to normalize race-labeling. And, for the record, I’m not white. I’ll leave it at that.
The American Indians in order to control their population selected certain men to service the other men as a way of making their society work. And allowed women to have a child after the former child was seven years old.
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Love this. Makes my mom heart happy 🌈🌱🙏❤️ haven’t watched yet but I assume my super AMAZING trans sons Venus in Gemini may have something to do with it, but I ADORE that I can point out what else in his chart confirms what we’ve known since age 3💕♥️💜🦄😘thank you.... besides just the brain scans and heightened testosterone since birth that mayos transgender clinic found. ❤️💥😘🌈💜💜💜💜
Known what since age three, exactly? That your child didn’t fit the personality/behavior you expected of them, so they must actually be a boy? I’m sure your child IS amazing just the way they are.
@@user-df7xe3rt7g that my child felt more himself being able to express himself as a male. And i.... Whom I as a mother in a small midwest town, a christian environment in the early 2000s prior to LAWS that are rarely followed anyway... FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL FOR HIM being able to FLOURISH as himself including BUT NOT LIMITED TO going WITHOUT to file paperwork when schools REFUSED to use his preferred name..."because it wasn't on his birth certificate". But would allow any *kenny* to be called *buck* ... Went without new clothing or food to find him a gender confirmation therapist so he could see HE was okay JUST AS HE WAS and take him to a Minnesota courthouse in a SMALL MIDWEST COUNTY to change his name AND GENDER on his original birth certificate when HE WAS READY to allow him to boss up and say f you to any remaining discrimination as it pertains to those that refused to be "human" to him. .. the teachers who had called him "it" the urinary tract infections he would get from not being allowed a bathroom...
. Yeah. I was his cheerleader far before he was able to be. And I'm sorry if it upsets you that I didn't "psychically" know at his birth ... But that gift didn't come to me until I had my 12th house 8th house activations. And guess what? Coming "out" to my UBER CHRISTIAN FAMILY about how I was talking to my dead relatives WAS TERRIFYING. the only difference? I KNEW that my mom had pre sent my dad dreams. In my world... The LGBTQ 💕 hearts. Lives. Battles. Are the PUREST. I knew WHO MY SON WAS but until a strait girl has to RISK IT ALL to "come out" one will never ever ever realize the nature of that experience..... But. For my son and so many it's SOOOOOO much scarier.... as you do not have spirits confirming they are showing up ahead of time to pre confirm the message. 🙏And as a medium. Feeling that purity of heart.... That exposure just to BE WHAT IS TRUE is the most gorgeous expression once made. I believe.... It may be why I have that gift.... To feel that terror. And I have been told I will use that "knowing" to help others. And I have, let parents that cannot "see it on their own" know this.... If they trust my message from aunt mauve.... it assists in that knowing too. So I know... Your anger, your angst, your struggle..... And it is justified. Very. And all I can say is that hearts like yours..... That have been through it all for truth.... Will lead the way for others, and for that I say "thank you" and the world is blessed to have such evolved souls. Nameste my beautiful 🌱 friend, best wishes on your path
omg! thank you
Great talk.... As a trans person I'd say, it is not always appropriate to ask for preferred pronouns as soon as you find someone is trans. I am post-op female to male trans who fully passes as a cis-gender man. There is no way anyone could suspect otherwise unless I tell them (and I almost never do because it is often irrelavent). But it has happened on rare occasions that I did tell someone I was trans (and I did deliberately mentioned female to male in order to eliminate any confusion that I might be a bio male who identifies as a woman) yet the person ended up asking me what pronoun I would prefer! Well, if I went through so much trouble to have surgery and hormone therapy and to transform my body from female to male, and I am fully presenting myself as male in social settings, then I identify as a he. What is the point of having surgery and passing as male if I wanted to keep the "she" pronoun?!...I know those people did it with good intention and out of courtesy, and I do appreciate their courtesy, but it did feel wiered and a tad offensive. so i'd say, dont follow it like a written on stone rule to ask every person who told you they are trans what pronouns they like. use your common sense.
P.s. I have the ruler of Asc (Saturn) combusted in the 6th H in a T square to Uranus, Jupiter, and Chiron and sun of course too. Also venus and moon are in fall, Mars (MC ruler) and Saturn (chart ruler) in determent....So a lot of points you guys raised make sense in my case: the ruler of Asc being under the beam of sun (so most people, including many of my friends, don't even know I am trans.
Thanks for including intersex folks and not just trans folks.
I had this friend , a Leo woman who was thinking about Identifiying as non-binary. I thought, non-binary is under the umbrella of trans like most of my friends who are non- B. Later on she went on to explain that she was at a club attracted to a man who 2 hrs later turned out to be a trans man. She felt betrayed/ angry or upset even, by a stranger enjoying there time with her. There were several other moments that day that were contradicting. Ever since that day, I've kept a distance. It's not because she can't Do what ever makes her happy. It was just the blatant Lack of self awareness. She's thinking of doing something that would fit her better, even consulting friends about it. Hoping for acceptance like everyone. I don't judge her, we are all working on something but her perceptions splashed on to everyone.
I am not sure I understood what you wrote there. But i am interested. Are you finding her need to affirm herself via the acceptance from others as concerning? Thus her need to chop and change if/when it suits her ? Whilst being tone-deaf to identity issues that affect others more deeply?
Excellent, intelligent, very informative and beautiful discussion here. Thank you both for a job well done. I was however, very disappointed that there were no charts of notable transgender men! Next time? I hope you all do another episode at some point.
The anonymous example I mentioned at one point was of a transgender man, but I didn't have permission to show the entire chart. I'll definitely make it a point to try to bring in more charts next time though.
The work force is get growing by putting down certain preferences
The intro is such a strong sell for the rest of the video.
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This could be a whole new genre in New New Age Astrology. Egoic-TriniTi astrology? What happened to Zeus, The King of the Gods, he put everyone else in the stars but himself?
Astrology of transness part starts at about 01:29:22
Also, my trans experience is not just "in my mind"
English is the latest language to be
Invented. And was designed to keep out the people who were not taught it natively. Is ambiguous and arbitrary. So to know only English is somewhat limiting in that we must interpret what we think others are conveying.