@@smoothgarak9537 it's that and the recycled canopy with the guardians head sticking out. It looks like a goofy cockpit with chicken legs. I always thought they were ugly and didn't really plan on buying any. It didn't bother me too much until I started looking at other factions models. If they don't get updated I'll use something else. I'm pretty sure they are the most efficient heavy weapons platforms we get though.
I said this on the last video but it is worth saying again. Of all the 40k channels I watch, you guys are hands down the most professional and informative. I learn something new every time I watch a TT video. Keep it going boys.
The bit about allocating wounds is fantastic. Also note that the cover saves from terrain rules and many of the terrain properties apply to MODELS, not units. Which means you don't need every model in a unit in the terrain feature utilize a cover save. I've not seen that difference in 9th mentioned much, but its a big one and relates to choosing which models take saves.
Sure! Did you see the new melta unit that can shoot twice if they focus fire? They are upgraded fire dragons! Oh, and there is a new harlequin character model! You can even take him in any Imperial faction!
I have played a couple of test games on TTS with Eldar before watching this video and was actually implementing a lot of these tactics in my test games and they work...really really well. Make no mistake, Eldar aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They are a very well rounded army capable of really scoring those secondaries quickly which a lot of other factions will struggle with. And if you play a killy style list, like Crimson Hunter Exarchs, Serpents, Spinners, Spears, etc, you are fast enough and hit hard enough to blast your opponent away in short order and you can focus on picking up those primary points in the last couple of turns. I think you guys touched on all of those point very well here. 9th Edition will be good for the space elves.
Caludot I’m the same, I’m new and just decided to make Eldar my first army as they are my favorite by far... but maybe something can be made from having a kill focused army that first tries to destroy much of your enemy and blast them off objectives and get your objectives later (and use either Wave Serpents and/or Wraiths to grab some objectives earlier). The nerf to flying makes no sense in the context of what a flying/hovering unit could actually do though... that part does piss me off.
i really love this demo of tactics using real minis as example and not just chat about it without showing it so its easier for viewer to understand...good job guys :)
they keep taking the same awful bike oriented list instead of leaning on the armies best points in 9th which is war walkers and wraithblades with axes.
@@Happyjethappy I agree. War Walkers are actually a very great option for an army. Beside, Bike are always fast and quite good, but they have not much toughness. Actually I am thinking to use more Wraith. Wraithblades, Wraithguards, Whraitlords. And a Spiritseer to make them more deadly on the field. Yet, Eldar Troops are actually a lot underrated: they got just Dire Avengers to hold on. Guardians are walking corpses, and Rangers aren't made to control a position, they are more snipers. So Eldar need a refresh about rules and so on
@Aleessandro Mordasini Unfortunately, GW gave us Eldar players a huge "F you!" Dire Avengers are no longer troops! They need to be. I was ok with losing bikes as troops, as they were pretty broken. Avengers are not really good enough for elites when compared to your other choices.
@John Doeaa what the hell are you talking about? Think about what you just said. If this is a video on how to play Eldar then why does it result in a loss 99% of the time then? You can play to win without being tryhard you dunce.
“Your army will die and you won’t kill anything but you’ll win!” Jesus Christ that sounds like a horrible game every time. I don’t play this dying race to see them slaughtered every game, this is looking like a terrible time.
i have played a few games now in 9th and my eldar have been wiped out every time. i only won a single game. eldar stuff is over costed compared to space marines. 5 wraithguard is power level 11 the new melta marines are power 4. the marine unit is way better.
@@ashlevrier Same here, only I also have rotten dice. I seriously have gone an entire game only hitting with four shots. FOUR! I need to save those dice for morale checks and get something else.
the wave serpent take and hold against close combat threats was how I was going to run a couple of devilfish in order to sieze ground. A devilfish is a budget wave serpent and not nearly as tough but In my army its my own way of attempting to sieze ground.
I must say, I don’t think you mention how much a shooting army threatens the eldar. Firstly, it’s a lot harder to hide out of line of sight, quite a lot harder actually, and an army like astra militarum can just sweep these guys away. For that wave serpent example, they’ll have no trouble blowing up a single wave serpent, and then their fragile t3 infantry will be comically easy to clear away. It’s a strong strategy, but if your opponent really wants you to stop scoring, they can do so effortlessly.
They cant really point out stuff like that and critique certain rule changes for a reason :) If you listen to them in their last few videos about 9th they subtly mention that shooting is being buffed. Makes you wonder why even bother playing close combat armies. I can already predict that armis like you mentioned astra militarum and probably tau will be broken at release. With eldar being made of paper and with how - to hit being capped at -1 i think eldar will suffer greatly now since 9th is suppose to be this more shooting edition (you get this feeling like they are trying to paint the 8th ed in a way where CC was really good and shooting needed buffs so 9th will have them which is not the case LOL)
@@mati12554 If an opponent built a lot of blast weapons they can be shut down by being tagged in close combat. All that Astra Militarum artillery is only good if they can screen it. If they are using their units to screen they are not using them to score. It becomes a race to see if they can clear your stuff before they lose scoring ability.
@@mati12554 It's the opposite, CC will be buffed in 9th with the smaller table size, unit cohesion rules, no overwatch (except against Tau of course), terrain obscurement rules etc. Even if the Eldar player goes second in 9th he can just hide his flyers in reserve for 1 CP each and then come in and nuke everything like the always do, Guard can't counter that.
This is a good video, but I’m still very concerned that my Alaitoc footdar army is completely DoA. Saying our infantry can be “easily shot down” is an understatement. I have a lot of aspect warriors on foot (banshees, swooping hawks, striking scorpions, fire dragons) who are going to be wrecked by the changes to blast and cover, mods to hit, fly, and objective scoring. My entire army feels like it is made out of paper. I have no idea how banshees or scorpions in particular are going to kill anything, or survive to score anything, now that tripointing is dead and that MSU is the new meta. A small squad of 5 banshees can’t kill anything. The banshee mask also is nearly useless now with the change to overwatch. I think the days of S3 T3 melee are dead and over. I am terrified my entire army is going to be tabled turn one by a hail of bolter fire.
Agreed, i think combat aspect warriors (or most aspect warriors in general) just aren't worth in 9th unless they get an update. What i have found to be strong however are jetbikes. Grab a lot of shining spears, maybe even a warlock skyrunner conclave with witch strike, and put them all in a windrider host. With the nimble escape stratagem and some clever plays they can be the ultimate hit and run army.
See it as a challenge. I use similar armies, with a large variety of eldar infantry. I'm determined to make it work. The good thing is, if the meta becomes tank and dreadnought heavy then out is easier to win the rock scissors paper game.
There's definitely some stuff in the codex that needs to be updated immediately as they've been completely negated by the new rules (looking at you crystal targeting matrix and Deadeye.) As much as I fully acknowledge the cheesiness of the negative hit modifier spam, simply nerfing it to a flat -1 across the board when they quite clearly designed the codex to rely on them and then KEPT ADDING MORE with every subsequent CA update, is pretty stupid without simultaneously releasing relevant balance changes to match. But this is GW we're talking about, why change their formula of "nerf the current meta into the ground so you'll be encouraged to buy the premium priced hot new army with new scuplts" when it seems to work every time?
I have an Alaitoc Aspect warhost myself and I am very much in the same boat. However, none of these problems are new to 9th. CC Aspects have been a poor choice for a long time now (my banshees never served as more than something to tie the enemy up for a turn before getting focused down) and my army has been feeling progressively more fragile and vulnerable to attrition as 8th wore on. At the moment I'm looking into keeping the core theme of the army but meching up my infantry into wave serpents and falcons, dropping the weaker aspect units to help pay for it and aiming to play a very objective focused game.
@@ChefSandwichboy Ah, but the meta at the end of 8th was marines, marines and more marines (sounds familiar), so while I was waiting for a marine nerf when their codex comes out in October....they're getting a buff instead. Wow. I'm not selling my Craftworlds YET, but... Also, they have now at least updated Crystal Targeting Matrix. It now makes Heavy Weapons into Assault if you Advance. So I spend all game zipping around in circles to get recon and making sure I get those -1s without having to use the strat, and I still hit like I was used to hitting in 8th. Not the most effective strategy, probably, but I can't properly analyze it until I get new dice. I seriously need to check the balance on these things, they've consistently rolled terriblly.
Eldar still has all the tools necessary to succeed, as they had in every Edition since 4th. You won't be able to table the opponent and win on objectives at the same time, but you will be able to have an adequate answer to any opponent. I never played Flyerspam and I am glad, that that list is gone. Though Wraithknights are still hot garbage, sadly.
@@JainZar1 ummm that could be said about literally any army in any edition. No shit, you can still win. The fact is though that the Eldar are at a massive disadvantage.
I don't know, I still feel so scared for my Aeldari this edition. I'll have to play with them to be sure but... well lets put it this way: I also play Custodes and it feels like my two armies are swapping positions in terms of viability. Before the world went crazy, I had actually decided to shelve my Custodes until new rules came out for them to make them viable after many one-sided losses. Now I feel my Eldar will get the same treatment, shelved until a new Codex fixes all the holes left by this edition in the old one. Super excited to play my Custodes though, so there's that.
Lol my 3 armies are those 2 and harlequinns, and I definitely feel like the elves are taking a back seat for the beginning of the edition. I'm curious to see how they play out, but I feel they'll lose primaries so badly since I've never had a unit survive being shot at during my opponent's turn, so holding for a round feel harsh.
Ah, just saw the schedule. Guess they left playtesting the dark kin to Lawrence the Spider and others. Looks like somebody at the studio started with Eldar though considering the amount of metal in this army.
I played Eldar in all of 2nd and 3rd Ed but left the game after GW gave the Tau everything the Eldar used to have. Seeing if any of it came back. Thanks for the vid.
I've collected Eldar since the 90s and have largely shelved them for the time being. They just aren't fun to play, their units are largely terrible and don't really 'feel' like Eldar anymore. There are some viable options, jetbike spam for instance can be fairly effective as an example, but overall they're incredibly weak. Undoubtedly part of the cause was the transition from 7th to 8th editions. A strong codex combined with all the detatchment rules meant Eldar were incredibly strong in 7th so they got nerfed very hard and the lack of updated models resulted in them losing a lot of their wargear options simply because GW wanted to avoid including units/options that weren't being sold. GW really failed to account for the loss of initiative as well, as it's a massive nerf for Eldar to go from striking first in most melees to it being charge dependent and/or alternating. The biggest issue, for me in particular as they made up the bulk of my army is that the aspect warriors and phoenix lords are just utter trash. I have loads of striking scorpions and honestly I find them to be one of the absolute worst melee units in the game. Harlequins take some time to master but I enjoy them immensely and aspect warriors like scorpions and banshees should feel the same. Powerful, but precious. You really feel the sting of every model lost when playing harlies but at the same time they're each very capable of dealing a lot of damage. The psykers aren't all that strong either, often needing psychic powers just to achieve what many other characters confer as a permanent auras around themselves. Warlock's destructor was reduced from a psychic heavy flamer to the worst smite in the game unless you spend a ton of points on a conclave. Mind war lost it potency now that everyone has smite anyway and no Eldritch storm at all. I literally have a large piece of Eldar art on my wall featuring the iconic imagery of a Farseer blasting lightning out of his fingertips. Apparently, they can't even do that anymore. Eldar have always been squishy toughness and armour-wise so it's odd that in the current meta GW throw invulns and 'ignore wound' abilities around like biscuits at a tea-party and yet Eldar really lack them. I mean this is a race that literally value individual lives more than any other, a race with vast amounts of technology, able to craft massive constructs with their minds. A race who's sole motivation for just about everything is survival. I could go on (and on and on... hehe) but I'll stop myself. Quite simply for the first time in about 20 years or so, that buzz you get when you start your first army because there's 'something' about them which captures your imagination, has been eradicated by just a complete lack of heart or understanding in their miniatures and codex.
So they loose out as everyone can move vehicles and fire and eldar range / mobility is worth less as the tables are smaller. You can't be 'really far back' on a small board. Loosing Fly mobility is a real pain. Going to make the T3 W1 fragility hurt. And a points grabbing sacrifice army is TOTALLY against Eldar lore
Wraith constructs. 3W T6 wraithguards. 10W T8 wraithlords. Wraithguards in wave serpents with wraith cannons. Spiritseer joining. Only problem I have is trying to battle forge it effectively.
The more I hear about 9th the more I realize my eldar wraith host & ork flyboy/deff skwadron armys are probobly going to loose every game.... Oh well fuck winning I'm just going to try and have fun and 9th sure Isent sounding like fun if played serously . Probobly will try out crusade with my friends and do more narrative stuff (using points because balance is still good). If I wanted to play warhamemr that's marine vs marine I'd play horus heresy. Thank you for all the work you guys do and keep it up love the videos so far.
I think Wraithblades will be good for holding objectives at least. But gotta rely on meleeing to clear it off. Focus fire and soften up but then again easier said than done.
Wraith knights no longer getting craft world traits unless you have 3 is big sad. I'm surprised to see it in their example army at all. It was never really good, and paying 3cp + losing traits means I doubt it will ever be seriously played. Wraithguard will probably be good as objective holders.
I plan to do a lot of wraith units personally. Custom Craftworld with Wrath of the Dead + Masterful Shots. Two squads of five Wraithguard, two bonesingers in two wave serpent with spirit stones and star engines as objective holders. Chewing thought a 13W T7 6++ minus one damage model and then again threw 15W T6 isn't exactly easily. Its also decently deadly, the Wraithguard are BS3 rerolling 1s with S10 rerolling 1s -4AP DD6 ignoring cover. It can blow big shit out of the water. You could also switch out for wraith blades for a 4++ on the guys and being killy in melee instead of shooting.
@@coldshoulder8550 Yeah I'm geniunely worried that these fluffy guys have been overlooked in favor of the tournement units like those featured in the vid. I mean... Look at the poor fucking Wraith Knight. I've loved mine through 8th despite being a massive point sink. But now I gotta pay 3cp ontop just because they ear marked the damn Command detachment for Primarchs of various kinds? If it's point go up aswell it's so bloody dead. I sincererly hope the play testing teams haven't overlooked this glaring red alert.
These guys reek of desperation trying to be positive about the eldar going into 9th lol And BTW 1" or 2" of movement is not "fast" or "mobility"...battle focus notwithstanding as most all eldar infantry guns are consistently 6"(or more) shorter in range than other armies so that you have to roll a freaking 6 to even break even, and in the end all this does is get you into CC range so non-melee oriented marines can wipe you out with 3 s4 attacks each. And the heavy weapons bonus? A bonus everyone gets is a bonus to none. All these guys did was put a wig on the latest lip-sticked pig GW has handed to the eldar.
This helps so much, my first game is likely going to be in 9th edition, I had a list in mind then these sweeping changes happened. This helps so much. Thanks for doing these vids guys!
I just started 40k been for ages saving an took me about 8 months to save up for 2000 points got it all at once .... I do love the look of them but now feel like I’ve been crushed in fear I’ll never win a game let alone stand a chance 😓
In good news for eldar players, eldar in many editions were known to be good if and only if the player is good. After a while, average players can copy some internet plays and strategies, and obtain good results with the more straightforward lists (think scatterbikes in 7th) that don't use the wide range of units at the player's disposal. This new edition will challenge eldar players again. My personal challenge is to make an aspect heavy list shine despite their inability to withstand a lot of punishment. In 2nd, 7th and 8th it worked well. Now let's figure out how to play them in 9th. A good backup list is of course a tough eldar army with T5+ units. But somehow that seems less fun to me.
Yeah my challenge is how to field fire dragon aspect units that cost more points than Eradicator with half range -2T -2W worse save lol No hate but a CW army rely on broken gimmicks that GW overlooked and it would be good that they properly work on it on the next codex.
Tactics for Aeldari, Wraithguard with D-Scythe - in Wave Serpents. Wraithblades with Axes - in Wave Serpents. Tough units with viscous damage dealing capacity and inbuilt abilities that stop assault from over powering. Such as Wraithguard with D-Scythes - use overwatch if they are charged. Then in your turn, implacable means they can fallback and shoot and assault with S10 -4 AP weapons which auto hit and shoot D3 shots per weapon. Think about that, A unit charges you. You spend the CP and overwatch automatically hitting up to 15 times at S10 -4 AP. Who would survive that. Worse scenario is 5 auto hits with the same devastating stat's. I usually charge the Wave Serpent up the weakest flank. Dismount next turn and roll the flank up or force the opponent to redirect some of his resources that way which technically gets him in a cross fire. If you don't have points for Night Spinner, use Support Weapons with the Shadow Weaver gun. 48" indirect fire and much smaller to hide, 165 points for 3, (Not to mention the D6 shots each gets). If you are fighting infantry hordes, think Banshee, bearing in mind you are keeping at least one unit of Wraiths. Vs T3 = 4s to wound at -3 AP. If Vs T4 then 5's to wound at -3 AP, but you have Shuriken Pistols prior to assault to help and two attacks per model. Don't forget they can move up to 29" to assault with no overwatch (If you are lucky, at least 20" movement). 8" move, stratagem to move full 6" advance, 12" assault plus extra 3" because of ability. All with shooting. And an Exarch that adds a buff to subtract 1 from hit rolls by your enemy in combat. I am not sure if that works against unwieldy weapons because they already minus 1 to hit.
Please do one of the videos for Thousand Sons in 9th! I love my space wizards, but I'm bummed because I think my army might be a total joke in 9th. -TS sorcerers need LOS -Significant trouble killing tanks, limited options to do so -Can't take lots of characters anymore without CP penalty due to changes to supreme command, only viable competitive strategy (MW spam) crippled. -Taking magnus means you can't take any cult relics at all from psychic awakening book because warlord has to have keyword for any character to take relic, magnus can't get keyword.
Smite spam is still pretty good. Anything that does MW is great. The game isn't as much about killing things but more about killing the right things. Thousand sons will be one of the best chaos marine armies..still worse than primaries but way better than World Eaters or Red Corsairs who are boned.
Thanks for the tips so I can help my buddy get his eldar army ready to go in 9th. Seems like I'm going to need to figure out how to blow up transports and then gun down inf to deny objectives. With custodes that will have to be tank spam. Normally its wear them down in shooting phase but eat as much as you can in combat. that won't help unless i can break the metal boxes in shooting and our bolters don't do that well. can't wait for our points to go up by 30% too haha. Keep up the good work and i'm looking forward to the rest of these
I was saving my opinion up until I had actually some games on 9th edition played. I did not play much during 8th Edition but I can assure you, Eldar have viable options to control objectives, tie up enemy artillery, shoot up screens and destroy Vehicles, of course with proper spsyker support. A list that I have been running to local success focuses on keeping a small amount of shining spears with sufficient cover for them not to shoot at them turn 1, provided you're playing with enough terrain. Since they move at 18'', you can easily quicken them for a whopping 36'' movement turn 1 which in most cases will suffice to tangle at least some of their artillery for a turn on top of destroying at least one vehicle on the charge. I actually think the smaller board size works to our advantage. I mostly play 3 wave serpents for obsec, and a dire avenger with 4++ for the background obsec. Inside the wave serpents I mostly play 10 guards on 2 of them and a 3rd with wraithblades and a warlock. This provides the flexibility of making them go through all the wounds a wave serpent with spirit stones and a unit of 10 guardians with the 4++ stratagem provide, whilst also having the ability to go on assault with your wraithblades if they contest an objective too closely. The wave serpents and a vyper all have the flexible loadout of twin and single starcannons respectively, although not as punchy as some other loadouts, it soften up their artillery considerable. Mind you wave serpent fire has not been that impressive compared to other units. I don't think approaching 9th edition like a shootout will work to our strenghts, playing mostly to objectives, and tying up their heavy hitters with assault is the way I recommend playing eldar. Theres always the possibility of getting an Autarch skyrunner with the anti-overwatch trait to avoid getting the bikes get blown by overwatch too.
Well if the points dont change you put shuricannon on it advance, fired and fade towards them amd now theres a t8 in melee range that they have to deal with, so its a relatively cheap distraction if nothing else. Cross fingers.
29:56 this comp sounds like it would be really satisfying to play, and quite in keeping with Eldar fluff. "You think you won, Monkey? In truth you never even understood the game."
My "Mech-battery" list with cannon/shield + double cannon wraithknights(both double shuriken cannon aux.), scorpion II superheavy, 3 shadow weaver heavy weapons platforms, 10 dire avengers, 10 shadow spectres, 6 shining spears, 15 banshees, a vyper and 3 10 guardian blobs now looks considerably slimer. Along with new super heavy detachment costing 6CP - the detachment itself comes to 1555 points leaving room for very little else to squeak in on points.
What's even funnier is that in 2nd Ed Eldar was a long range shooty army that got nerfed when the Tau came along. Shuriken Catapults used to have a 24" range for God's sake.
If you have money for several armies, consider buying more for one army. I just have a large eldar army and can pick and choose. That's fun. You become less dependent on edition and meta, and you can keep opponents guessing. The cost is that you will probably have an army less to play with.
What we need GW to do is make all new infantry models for the Eldar, since rule changes an improvements seem to follow which new product line they're pushing. I always wanted to play an aspect warrior army, but I would also like to give a good account of myself and maybe win a few games.
On protecting your psykers (yes, I'm watching it again): don't forget Celestial Shield. 20 Guardian Defenders with two heavy weapon platforms gets a 4++ for 1 CP. I play Ulthwe, so they also have a 6+++. Of course, you'll probably have them in units of 10+1, so they can be moved around in Wave Serpents... Since they're fairly high Ld, though, the large blob doesn't really suffer or benefit from the new morale rules, unless your dice are hot or not. If you can spare a Will of Asuryan, though, its moot.
Since 3rd edition I have wanted an Iyanden Wraith style army because of Lore and Colors. Finally got around to it in 8th Now with the new points from CA 9th my moral immune guardians are super expensive. Wraithblades have been hit super hard, and the Wraithfighter just can't be justified against the Crimson Hunter Exarch now. I just can't see a good way to make it work without really teching into stuff that I don't want in a semi-fluffy Iyanden force😢
Mass AP-2 bolter fire is going to make eldar die in droves. Eldar better get massive point drops so we can get more aspect units on the table. We've lost our Neg 3- BS shenanigans. So only bikes, wraith and vehicles will probably be viable.
To be fair -3 to hit was incredibly frustrating for everybody else, and that was without counting moving and shooting heavy weapons Eldar flyer spam...
i can't get past turn 50 from a verry hard Orc he shows up with tons of units that have 30-50 hp ea and none of my units can take more than 2 hits from the orc, not the vehicles, artillery does no dmg, heroes die in 1 hit.... what is this race ?
What role do you guys see Wraithguard playing in 9th? I'm a big fan of Iyanden and the wraith style units, and Wraithlords have gotten a big bump with the new rules but I was wondering if you think a Wraith-heavy army can take advantage of the current meta
I really hope so, I just finished 15 wraithblades, 5 guard, 2 lords, a spiritseer, and a forgeworld wraithseer. I just got a knight too but I guess that was a waste...
i begrudgingly will always bring one with the sword and shield bc its badass lol. if nothing else its scary so the baddies will want to focus fire it down drawing fire away from other units
So sacrifice your tanks turn 1 or 2, and sacrifice your troops the next turn... playing as a race who is trying to save lives as much as possible. And if you don't treat your Eldar like guard troops, "you're gonna be in a tough spot"
What about pointcosts, did you playtest with balanced costs or is it just 2019 CA. I'm guessing the Wave Serpent goes above 200 pts. with usable setup when the changes come out.
Am I missing something with the Dire Avengers, take the shimmer shield and the whol unit gets 5+ invon? Many thanks for the content been waiting for this one.
yeah, it seems to be a mistake on their part. "Shimmershield: A unit which includes a model with a shimmershield has a 5+ invulnerable save." But it seems they are using original 4++ invuln of the exarch without shimmershield.
In the example about allocating wounds, they are referring to using the Battle Fortune Exarch power which grants the search a 4++. They were saying that we need to choose wisely about whether we will want to take shots on a regular Avenger for a particular phase, versus allocating them onto the exarch (who has Battle Fortune), because you can no longer flip-flop wound allocation between the two in 9th.
@@merkaris8405 Many thanks for the clarification, I understand what they were trying to get across re the allocating of wounds. The point I was trying to make is that if your take the Shimmer Shield they all get a 5+ invon. So alocation the wounds on the troops will still get a 5+.
Manipulating hit modifiers is how Eldar survive. But I guess other armies get to decide how we play our army zzzz. Can we zap the Lt. Reroll aura that doesn't need a die pass to activate? Broken.
I'd love to hear yalls opinion on Non-Codex Marines. DA and the new bikes, BA and the combat and engagement changes, SW similar to BA, and even RG and DW.
Hello, I really enjoyed this video. I wanted to ask if there is a resource page where I may note the units for the strategies you shared? VS me listening, rewinding and copying it down. Thank you!
Looks like I'll be moving to minimum unit sizes for the most part. Like, 3 units of three dark reapers give you three tempest launchers for good indirect blast fire. Plus they won't all be wiped away at once and losing a unit isn't the end of the world.
Do you think you guys will review Ynnari at all? I'm getting back into the game and love the idea of Drukhari and Craftworlds mixed, but I have no clue what I'm doing lol
Asurmen + Dire Avengers + Wave Serpents seems to be the core. We get one CP for every command phase but it begs the question is it worth to take an Autarch still.
I’m a new player who was going to start an army before Coronavirus hit and now I’m not sure if this is the best time to start since it will be hard to meet people who could help teach me the game or how to model and paint (or just provide some guidance) but after learning a lot about all the factions I’ve decided on Eldar as my first choice (and Tau as a fairly close second). Hopefully they don’t become too harmed by 9th edition rules before their codex drops...
It seems stupid that a flying unit couldn’t fall back and shoot, after all its reaching it to say that a flying unit could really be charged and hit in melee anyway except by another flyer...
I'm wondering how Wraithlords will fare in the new edition. I feel like i was the only one who even remembered that they existed in 8th. Armed with heavy weapons, the ability to move and shoot without penalty will give them some ability for fire support while also bieng able to bring their melee power to bear later, while a wraithlord with shuriken cannons, flamers and a sword could be a nice primary melee threat
I'm not sure i agree on mobility. Typically mobility is better when distances are larger. The less room there is, the less mobility matters. So can you explain this a bit more? On a more personal note, I used to field a craftworld footdar brigade from about 1600 points onwards. I'm sure I don't have more cp than before.
Great video :D The only thing is that this highlights how broken the game is now, from a realism to war sense. New wound allocation and line of sight rules, and that "sacrificial" tactic, are just so far from believable, or from Eldar lore, it hurts my little crystaline matrix :`(
You missed one new big shot. You can spend CP to put troops into reserve. Thats great, because your biggest weakness of shuriken catapults is its range. Now you can let your weak guardsmen and dire avengers come into the game from the sides of the table 9 inches away from enemies. Thats great because it is still in 12 inches range and you won't need transports to actualy use your troops. It is a very cheap way to kill specialits units like devastators, elites and stuff like that. Also if you also have your fire prism at the board, the oponnent probably won't attack your guardsmen anyway with his tanks. So you can clean off alot infanterie and your opponent will probably not handle yours. This could be used to set your opponent under pressure alot. The downside is, everbody can do so. That may result in a "you go firs, no you go first" dueling, where players hesitate to reinforce their army. This might make the game in general stuttery. Unfortunately with the new overwatch rule, flamethrowers will not be that great anymore. Another question, why didn't you mention Vypers? They were already one of the best units of all in 8th. and with 9th they will become even better. Unfortunately Landspeeders will also become much better than vypers, but with alaitoc -1 to hit the vypers are a very durable. What realy sucks, with new the focus on melee and the new space marine primaris assault marines, melee seems realy unbalanced. The benefit of shining spears were its speed, more wounds, armor of 3 and inv of 4. Their weapons are great against infantrie but bad against vehicles. Now other factions are also very fast, can also easily charge, they have the same amount of wounds or even more and they have better weapons aswell. Also SM new assault marines have much more attacks and get even more with shock assault, while shining spears have way to less attacks. I don't know why GW hates shining spears, they don't even produce them anymore. This video is again an example, that almost everyone needs to kitbash their shining spears on their own. It is not just, that shining spears don't have new models. They don't even sell the old ones anymore. There are out of stock for years now. I NEVER saw them on stock. I was never able to actually buy them from GW directly. And on ebay they are sometimes redicously expensive. So i guess GW abanded them.
Best 40k channel by far in my opinion. Great cast and production. Very high quality and fun to watch.
I used walkers in 8th. Squad of 3 with twin Shuri cannons, they have battle focus like infantry so i found them quite effective
War Walkers are some of my favorite units
War walkers seem good they just look so goofy to me. I don't even want to put the one I have together 😅
@@kevinishki ive done 6. the worst thing is the legs with the ball joint to the feet it was horrific lmao. still love them though
@@smoothgarak9537 it's that and the recycled canopy with the guardians head sticking out. It looks like a goofy cockpit with chicken legs. I always thought they were ugly and didn't really plan on buying any. It didn't bother me too much until I started looking at other factions models. If they don't get updated I'll use something else. I'm pretty sure they are the most efficient heavy weapons platforms we get though.
I said this on the last video but it is worth saying again. Of all the 40k channels I watch, you guys are hands down the most professional and informative. I learn something new every time I watch a TT video. Keep it going boys.
The bit about allocating wounds is fantastic. Also note that the cover saves from terrain rules and many of the terrain properties apply to MODELS, not units. Which means you don't need every model in a unit in the terrain feature utilize a cover save. I've not seen that difference in 9th mentioned much, but its a big one and relates to choosing which models take saves.
Eldar need new units and updated aspect warriors!
Maybe after MOAR SM
Sure! Did you see the new melta unit that can shoot twice if they focus fire? They are upgraded fire dragons! Oh, and there is a new harlequin character model! You can even take him in any Imperial faction!
@@boyanpenev9822 I bet Harlequins wish they had a Named character.
I hope maybe the Guardians get a bit of a buff
@@thegamingumbreon6587 Ye they are kind of lacking on the competitive scale
I have played a couple of test games on TTS with Eldar before watching this video and was actually implementing a lot of these tactics in my test games and they work...really really well. Make no mistake, Eldar aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They are a very well rounded army capable of really scoring those secondaries quickly which a lot of other factions will struggle with. And if you play a killy style list, like Crimson Hunter Exarchs, Serpents, Spinners, Spears, etc, you are fast enough and hit hard enough to blast your opponent away in short order and you can focus on picking up those primary points in the last couple of turns. I think you guys touched on all of those point very well here. 9th Edition will be good for the space elves.
really? cuz i feel so disheartened as a new player just finally getting my eldar army done and now its nerfed to heck.
Caludot I’m the same, I’m new and just decided to make Eldar my first army as they are my favorite by far... but maybe something can be made from having a kill focused army that first tries to destroy much of your enemy and blast them off objectives and get your objectives later (and use either Wave Serpents and/or Wraiths to grab some objectives earlier). The nerf to flying makes no sense in the context of what a flying/hovering unit could actually do though... that part does piss me off.
As if all the eldar players cried out in pain at the release of 9th edition
i really love this demo of tactics using real minis as example and not just chat about it without showing it so its easier for viewer to understand...good job guys :)
Doesn't sound like my Footdar will be fun. Pretty underwhelming so far for non imperial armies. How weird🤔
kind of hard to take this video seriously when most of your battle reports with Eldar in 9th are just them getting destroyed.
they keep taking the same awful bike oriented list instead of leaning on the armies best points in 9th which is war walkers and wraithblades with axes.
@@Happyjethappy I agree. War Walkers are actually a very great option for an army.
Beside, Bike are always fast and quite good, but they have not much toughness.
Actually I am thinking to use more Wraith. Wraithblades, Wraithguards, Whraitlords. And a Spiritseer to make them more deadly on the field.
Yet, Eldar Troops are actually a lot underrated: they got just Dire Avengers to hold on. Guardians are walking corpses, and Rangers aren't made to control a position, they are more snipers.
So Eldar need a refresh about rules and so on
@Aleessandro Mordasini
Unfortunately, GW gave us Eldar players a huge "F you!" Dire Avengers are no longer troops! They need to be. I was ok with losing bikes as troops, as they were pretty broken. Avengers are not really good enough for elites when compared to your other choices.
@John Doeaa what the hell are you talking about? Think about what you just said. If this is a video on how to play Eldar then why does it result in a loss 99% of the time then? You can play to win without being tryhard you dunce.
“Your army will die and you won’t kill anything but you’ll win!”
Jesus Christ that sounds like a horrible game every time. I don’t play this dying race to see them slaughtered every game, this is looking like a terrible time.
I hate it. They want you to enjoy seeing your army die.
Yeah, that did not sound particularly eldar-ish. But hey, it kinda works for Ynnari, maybe they will make them good again?
It's been like that since sixth edition.
i have played a few games now in 9th and my eldar have been wiped out every time. i only won a single game. eldar stuff is over costed compared to space marines. 5 wraithguard is power level 11 the new melta marines are power 4. the marine unit is way better.
@@ashlevrier Same here, only I also have rotten dice. I seriously have gone an entire game only hitting with four shots. FOUR! I need to save those dice for morale checks and get something else.
Mechdar are back baby! Love that transports for all factions are useful now. Plays like transports are supposed to finally.
Luckily we have one of, if not THE best transport in the game!
well yes but no
the wave serpent take and hold against close combat threats was how I was going to run a couple of devilfish in order to sieze ground. A devilfish is a budget wave serpent and not nearly as tough but In my army its my own way of attempting to sieze ground.
Vypers in 8th LAMAO
I must say, I don’t think you mention how much a shooting army threatens the eldar. Firstly, it’s a lot harder to hide out of line of sight, quite a lot harder actually, and an army like astra militarum can just sweep these guys away.
For that wave serpent example, they’ll have no trouble blowing up a single wave serpent, and then their fragile t3 infantry will be comically easy to clear away.
It’s a strong strategy, but if your opponent really wants you to stop scoring, they can do so effortlessly.
They cant really point out stuff like that and critique certain rule changes for a reason :) If you listen to them in their last few videos about 9th they subtly mention that shooting is being buffed. Makes you wonder why even bother playing close combat armies. I can already predict that armis like you mentioned astra militarum and probably tau will be broken at release. With eldar being made of paper and with how - to hit being capped at -1 i think eldar will suffer greatly now since 9th is suppose to be this more shooting edition (you get this feeling like they are trying to paint the 8th ed in a way where CC was really good and shooting needed buffs so 9th will have them which is not the case LOL)
@@mati12554 If an opponent built a lot of blast weapons they can be shut down by being tagged in close combat. All that Astra Militarum artillery is only good if they can screen it. If they are using their units to screen they are not using them to score. It becomes a race to see if they can clear your stuff before they lose scoring ability.
@@mati12554 It's the opposite, CC will be buffed in 9th with the smaller table size, unit cohesion rules, no overwatch (except against Tau of course), terrain obscurement rules etc.
Even if the Eldar player goes second in 9th he can just hide his flyers in reserve for 1 CP each and then come in and nuke everything like the always do, Guard can't counter that.
Who read through the 9th and thought it's harder to hide from shooting than the 8th with all the new terrain rules?
@@SQW0 plus I think a lot of tables need to modify their terrain setup.
This is a good video, but I’m still very concerned that my Alaitoc footdar army is completely DoA. Saying our infantry can be “easily shot down” is an understatement. I have a lot of aspect warriors on foot (banshees, swooping hawks, striking scorpions, fire dragons) who are going to be wrecked by the changes to blast and cover, mods to hit, fly, and objective scoring.
My entire army feels like it is made out of paper. I have no idea how banshees or scorpions in particular are going to kill anything, or survive to score anything, now that tripointing is dead and that MSU is the new meta. A small squad of 5 banshees can’t kill anything. The banshee mask also is nearly useless now with the change to overwatch. I think the days of S3 T3 melee are dead and over.
I am terrified my entire army is going to be tabled turn one by a hail of bolter fire.
Agreed, i think combat aspect warriors (or most aspect warriors in general) just aren't worth in 9th unless they get an update. What i have found to be strong however are jetbikes. Grab a lot of shining spears, maybe even a warlock skyrunner conclave with witch strike, and put them all in a windrider host. With the nimble escape stratagem and some clever plays they can be the ultimate hit and run army.
See it as a challenge. I use similar armies, with a large variety of eldar infantry. I'm determined to make it work.
The good thing is, if the meta becomes tank and dreadnought heavy then out is easier to win the rock scissors paper game.
There's definitely some stuff in the codex that needs to be updated immediately as they've been completely negated by the new rules (looking at you crystal targeting matrix and Deadeye.) As much as I fully acknowledge the cheesiness of the negative hit modifier spam, simply nerfing it to a flat -1 across the board when they quite clearly designed the codex to rely on them and then KEPT ADDING MORE with every subsequent CA update, is pretty stupid without simultaneously releasing relevant balance changes to match. But this is GW we're talking about, why change their formula of "nerf the current meta into the ground so you'll be encouraged to buy the premium priced hot new army with new scuplts" when it seems to work every time?
I have an Alaitoc Aspect warhost myself and I am very much in the same boat. However, none of these problems are new to 9th. CC Aspects have been a poor choice for a long time now (my banshees never served as more than something to tie the enemy up for a turn before getting focused down) and my army has been feeling progressively more fragile and vulnerable to attrition as 8th wore on. At the moment I'm looking into keeping the core theme of the army but meching up my infantry into wave serpents and falcons, dropping the weaker aspect units to help pay for it and aiming to play a very objective focused game.
@@ChefSandwichboy Ah, but the meta at the end of 8th was marines, marines and more marines (sounds familiar), so while I was waiting for a marine nerf when their codex comes out in October....they're getting a buff instead. Wow. I'm not selling my Craftworlds YET, but...
Also, they have now at least updated Crystal Targeting Matrix. It now makes Heavy Weapons into Assault if you Advance. So I spend all game zipping around in circles to get recon and making sure I get those -1s without having to use the strat, and I still hit like I was used to hitting in 8th. Not the most effective strategy, probably, but I can't properly analyze it until I get new dice. I seriously need to check the balance on these things, they've consistently rolled terriblly.
Loving your upbeat attitude and practical advice. Keep it up!
YES the question I've been asking for the last few months!
I think the answer is: Don't.
I think they're trying to tell us that Eldar is getting shafted for the first part of this edition.
Eldar still has all the tools necessary to succeed, as they had in every Edition since 4th. You won't be able to table the opponent and win on objectives at the same time, but you will be able to have an adequate answer to any opponent. I never played Flyerspam and I am glad, that that list is gone. Though Wraithknights are still hot garbage, sadly.
I think the same could be said for most armies, except Marines. GSC really have it bad.
@@JainZar1 ummm that could be said about literally any army in any edition. No shit, you can still win. The fact is though that the Eldar are at a massive disadvantage.
If we are going to cap hit modifiers, can we cap wound output from space marines?
Super helpful information and tactics - thank you!
I'm trying to decide between Eldar and Deldar for my first 40K army so this was very helpful!
I love those added Eldar-Jetbike sounds in the background ;)
And zero talk about using bikes, cuz they're dead. Eldar relied on dodging, which we've lost.
I don't know, I still feel so scared for my Aeldari this edition. I'll have to play with them to be sure but... well lets put it this way: I also play Custodes and it feels like my two armies are swapping positions in terms of viability. Before the world went crazy, I had actually decided to shelve my Custodes until new rules came out for them to make them viable after many one-sided losses. Now I feel my Eldar will get the same treatment, shelved until a new Codex fixes all the holes left by this edition in the old one.
Super excited to play my Custodes though, so there's that.
Lol my 3 armies are those 2 and harlequinns, and I definitely feel like the elves are taking a back seat for the beginning of the edition. I'm curious to see how they play out, but I feel they'll lose primaries so badly since I've never had a unit survive being shot at during my opponent's turn, so holding for a round feel harsh.
Bahahaha! Shelving eldar? Lol
Try playing Tyranids.
David Jesion Every time they leaked new rules all I could think was “Oh-.. another nerf for Tyranids”
@@drakor98 I mean 300 termagants might work...
Hooray, this and Drukhari are the two I've been waiting for!
Ah, just saw the schedule. Guess they left playtesting the dark kin to Lawrence the Spider and others. Looks like somebody at the studio started with Eldar though considering the amount of metal in this army.
I played Eldar in all of 2nd and 3rd Ed but left the game after GW gave the Tau everything the Eldar used to have. Seeing if any of it came back. Thanks for the vid.
I've collected Eldar since the 90s and have largely shelved them for the time being. They just aren't fun to play, their units are largely terrible and don't really 'feel' like Eldar anymore. There are some viable options, jetbike spam for instance can be fairly effective as an example, but overall they're incredibly weak. Undoubtedly part of the cause was the transition from 7th to 8th editions. A strong codex combined with all the detatchment rules meant Eldar were incredibly strong in 7th so they got nerfed very hard and the lack of updated models resulted in them losing a lot of their wargear options simply because GW wanted to avoid including units/options that weren't being sold. GW really failed to account for the loss of initiative as well, as it's a massive nerf for Eldar to go from striking first in most melees to it being charge dependent and/or alternating.
The biggest issue, for me in particular as they made up the bulk of my army is that the aspect warriors and phoenix lords are just utter trash. I have loads of striking scorpions and honestly I find them to be one of the absolute worst melee units in the game. Harlequins take some time to master but I enjoy them immensely and aspect warriors like scorpions and banshees should feel the same. Powerful, but precious. You really feel the sting of every model lost when playing harlies but at the same time they're each very capable of dealing a lot of damage.
The psykers aren't all that strong either, often needing psychic powers just to achieve what many other characters confer as a permanent auras around themselves. Warlock's destructor was reduced from a psychic heavy flamer to the worst smite in the game unless you spend a ton of points on a conclave. Mind war lost it potency now that everyone has smite anyway and no Eldritch storm at all. I literally have a large piece of Eldar art on my wall featuring the iconic imagery of a Farseer blasting lightning out of his fingertips. Apparently, they can't even do that anymore.
Eldar have always been squishy toughness and armour-wise so it's odd that in the current meta GW throw invulns and 'ignore wound' abilities around like biscuits at a tea-party and yet Eldar really lack them. I mean this is a race that literally value individual lives more than any other, a race with vast amounts of technology, able to craft massive constructs with their minds. A race who's sole motivation for just about everything is survival.
I could go on (and on and on... hehe) but I'll stop myself. Quite simply for the first time in about 20 years or so, that buzz you get when you start your first army because there's 'something' about them which captures your imagination, has been eradicated by just a complete lack of heart or understanding in their miniatures and codex.
All. Of. This... I've been saying it for years and it's just double down on in 9th.
Shall we move for a representative of each race to be placed on the board of GW for all future developments and releases? I vote yes.
So they loose out as everyone can move vehicles and fire and eldar range / mobility is worth less as the tables are smaller. You can't be 'really far back' on a small board. Loosing Fly mobility is a real pain. Going to make the T3 W1 fragility hurt. And a points grabbing sacrifice army is TOTALLY against Eldar lore
Wraith constructs. 3W T6 wraithguards. 10W T8 wraithlords. Wraithguards in wave serpents with wraith cannons. Spiritseer joining. Only problem I have is trying to battle forge it effectively.
The more I hear about 9th the more I realize my eldar wraith host & ork flyboy/deff skwadron armys are probobly going to loose every game.... Oh well fuck winning I'm just going to try and have fun and 9th sure Isent sounding like fun if played serously . Probobly will try out crusade with my friends and do more narrative stuff (using points because balance is still good). If I wanted to play warhamemr that's marine vs marine I'd play horus heresy. Thank you for all the work you guys do and keep it up love the videos so far.
I think Wraithblades will be good for holding objectives at least. But gotta rely on meleeing to clear it off. Focus fire and soften up but then again easier said than done.
They are the best for holding objectives for eldar but not good enough I think still love a 4+ invuln but they just aren't tough enough
Id loved to see some conments on wraith units. Epecially with that wraith knight on the table!
Wraith knights no longer getting craft world traits unless you have 3 is big sad. I'm surprised to see it in their example army at all. It was never really good, and paying 3cp + losing traits means I doubt it will ever be seriously played.
Wraithguard will probably be good as objective holders.
I plan to do a lot of wraith units personally. Custom Craftworld with Wrath of the Dead + Masterful Shots. Two squads of five Wraithguard, two bonesingers in two wave serpent with spirit stones and star engines as objective holders. Chewing thought a 13W T7 6++ minus one damage model and then again threw 15W T6 isn't exactly easily. Its also decently deadly, the Wraithguard are BS3 rerolling 1s with S10 rerolling 1s -4AP DD6 ignoring cover. It can blow big shit out of the water. You could also switch out for wraith blades for a 4++ on the guys and being killy in melee instead of shooting.
@Sisfacdiemmeum I was going to ask the same thing as was building a wraith host army in 8th.
@@coldshoulder8550 Yeah I'm geniunely worried that these fluffy guys have been overlooked in favor of the tournement units like those featured in the vid. I mean... Look at the poor fucking Wraith Knight. I've loved mine through 8th despite being a massive point sink. But now I gotta pay 3cp ontop just because they ear marked the damn Command detachment for Primarchs of various kinds? If it's point go up aswell it's so bloody dead. I sincererly hope the play testing teams haven't overlooked this glaring red alert.
These guys reek of desperation trying to be positive about the eldar going into 9th lol And BTW 1" or 2" of movement is not "fast" or "mobility"...battle focus notwithstanding as most all eldar infantry guns are consistently 6"(or more) shorter in range than other armies so that you have to roll a freaking 6 to even break even, and in the end all this does is get you into CC range so non-melee oriented marines can wipe you out with 3 s4 attacks each. And the heavy weapons bonus? A bonus everyone gets is a bonus to none. All these guys did was put a wig on the latest lip-sticked pig GW has handed to the eldar.
This helps so much, my first game is likely going to be in 9th edition, I had a list in mind then these sweeping changes happened. This helps so much. Thanks for doing these vids guys!
I just started 40k been for ages saving an took me about 8 months to save up for 2000 points got it all at once .... I do love the look of them but now feel like I’ve been crushed in fear I’ll never win a game let alone stand a chance 😓
You guys are great!!! Thanks for your 9th edition series, its been super helpful.
Thanks for the great content guys!
In good news for eldar players, eldar in many editions were known to be good if and only if the player is good. After a while, average players can copy some internet plays and strategies, and obtain good results with the more straightforward lists (think scatterbikes in 7th) that don't use the wide range of units at the player's disposal.
This new edition will challenge eldar players again. My personal challenge is to make an aspect heavy list shine despite their inability to withstand a lot of punishment.
In 2nd, 7th and 8th it worked well. Now let's figure out how to play them in 9th.
A good backup list is of course a tough eldar army with T5+ units. But somehow that seems less fun to me.
Yeah my challenge is how to field fire dragon aspect units that cost more points than Eradicator with half range -2T -2W worse save lol No hate but a CW army rely on broken gimmicks that GW overlooked and it would be good that they properly work on it on the next codex.
Tactics for Aeldari, Wraithguard with D-Scythe - in Wave Serpents. Wraithblades with Axes - in Wave Serpents. Tough units with viscous damage dealing capacity and inbuilt abilities that stop assault from over powering. Such as Wraithguard with D-Scythes - use overwatch if they are charged. Then in your turn, implacable means they can fallback and shoot and assault with S10 -4 AP weapons which auto hit and shoot D3 shots per weapon. Think about that, A unit charges you. You spend the CP and overwatch automatically hitting up to 15 times at S10 -4 AP. Who would survive that. Worse scenario is 5 auto hits with the same devastating stat's. I usually charge the Wave Serpent up the weakest flank. Dismount next turn and roll the flank up or force the opponent to redirect some of his resources that way which technically gets him in a cross fire.
If you don't have points for Night Spinner, use Support Weapons with the Shadow Weaver gun. 48" indirect fire and much smaller to hide, 165 points for 3, (Not to mention the D6 shots each gets).
If you are fighting infantry hordes, think Banshee, bearing in mind you are keeping at least one unit of Wraiths. Vs T3 = 4s to wound at -3 AP. If Vs T4 then 5's to wound at -3 AP, but you have Shuriken Pistols prior to assault to help and two attacks per model. Don't forget they can move up to 29" to assault with no overwatch (If you are lucky, at least 20" movement). 8" move, stratagem to move full 6" advance, 12" assault plus extra 3" because of ability. All with shooting. And an Exarch that adds a buff to subtract 1 from hit rolls by your enemy in combat. I am not sure if that works against unwieldy weapons because they already minus 1 to hit.
Step 1 melt dreadnought with brightlances
Step 2 have picnic on objective
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Great content thanks.
Awesome content guys! Looking forward to the game later.
Also, weird render glitch at 19:53ish.
Thanks for the heads up!
So basically, the Eldar have been badly nerfed lol
The infantry badly. Like 22p for a multi laser heavy weapon with rending fir guardian squads is horrible
basically anything that can stand there and take a hit while on an objective is gonna be severely hampered.
Please do one of the videos for Thousand Sons in 9th! I love my space wizards, but I'm bummed because I think my army might be a total joke in 9th.
-TS sorcerers need LOS
-Significant trouble killing tanks, limited options to do so
-Can't take lots of characters anymore without CP penalty due to changes to supreme command, only viable competitive strategy (MW spam) crippled.
-Taking magnus means you can't take any cult relics at all from psychic awakening book because warlord has to have keyword for any character to take relic, magnus can't get keyword.
Smite spam is still pretty good. Anything that does MW is great. The game isn't as much about killing things but more about killing the right things. Thousand sons will be one of the best chaos marine armies..still worse than primaries but way better than World Eaters or Red Corsairs who are boned.
@@MRLOLLAST123 I'm looking forward to a Thousand Sons 9th batrep! That will answer a lot of my questions.
Thanks for the tips so I can help my buddy get his eldar army ready to go in 9th. Seems like I'm going to need to figure out how to blow up transports and then gun down inf to deny objectives. With custodes that will have to be tank spam. Normally its wear them down in shooting phase but eat as much as you can in combat. that won't help unless i can break the metal boxes in shooting and our bolters don't do that well. can't wait for our points to go up by 30% too haha. Keep up the good work and i'm looking forward to the rest of these
So back to wave serpent spam?
I was saving my opinion up until I had actually some games on 9th edition played. I did not play much during 8th Edition but I can assure you, Eldar have viable options to control objectives, tie up enemy artillery, shoot up screens and destroy Vehicles, of course with proper spsyker support. A list that I have been running to local success focuses on keeping a small amount of shining spears with sufficient cover for them not to shoot at them turn 1, provided you're playing with enough terrain. Since they move at 18'', you can easily quicken them for a whopping 36'' movement turn 1 which in most cases will suffice to tangle at least some of their artillery for a turn on top of destroying at least one vehicle on the charge. I actually think the smaller board size works to our advantage. I mostly play 3 wave serpents for obsec, and a dire avenger with 4++ for the background obsec. Inside the wave serpents I mostly play 10 guards on 2 of them and a 3rd with wraithblades and a warlock. This provides the flexibility of making them go through all the wounds a wave serpent with spirit stones and a unit of 10 guardians with the 4++ stratagem provide, whilst also having the ability to go on assault with your wraithblades if they contest an objective too closely. The wave serpents and a vyper all have the flexible loadout of twin and single starcannons respectively, although not as punchy as some other loadouts, it soften up their artillery considerable. Mind you wave serpent fire has not been that impressive compared to other units. I don't think approaching 9th edition like a shootout will work to our strenghts, playing mostly to objectives, and tying up their heavy hitters with assault is the way I recommend playing eldar. Theres always the possibility of getting an Autarch skyrunner with the anti-overwatch trait to avoid getting the bikes get blown by overwatch too.
Are we a bad copy of the imperial guard now ?
Any opinion on wraithlords? They shoot, fight and shoot in combat, will we see them more?
Absolutely. I'm repainting my 3 as we speak..err, type...
They suffer from the lack of an invulnerable save, it all boils down to the point cost imo (TL;DR wait and see)
Well if the points dont change you put shuricannon on it advance, fired and fade towards them amd now theres a t8 in melee range that they have to deal with, so its a relatively cheap distraction if nothing else. Cross fingers.
Are the lists actually put somewhere or are they just "take shooters" and "Wave serpent spam"?
It's advice not a list building video
29:56 this comp sounds like it would be really satisfying to play, and quite in keeping with Eldar fluff. "You think you won, Monkey? In truth you never even understood the game."
Great video! really happy to see these changes!
My "Mech-battery" list with cannon/shield + double cannon wraithknights(both double shuriken cannon aux.), scorpion II superheavy, 3 shadow weaver heavy weapons platforms, 10 dire avengers, 10 shadow spectres, 6 shining spears, 15 banshees, a vyper and 3 10 guardian blobs now looks considerably slimer. Along with new super heavy detachment costing 6CP - the detachment itself comes to 1555 points leaving room for very little else to squeak in on points.
Tanks blocking in a chevron formation eh?
Seems somehow... ...familiar...
What's even funnier is that in 2nd Ed Eldar was a long range shooty army that got nerfed when the Tau came along.
Shuriken Catapults used to have a 24" range for God's sake.
My Eldar list was farseer, spiritseer, autarch, 3 dire acengers, 3 serpents, 3 spinners, 2 prisms, warp hunter and hemlock. Big hype for this edition
If you have money for several armies, consider buying more for one army. I just have a large eldar army and can pick and choose. That's fun. You become less dependent on edition and meta, and you can keep opponents guessing.
The cost is that you will probably have an army less to play with.
What we need GW to do is make all new infantry models for the Eldar, since rule changes an improvements seem to follow which new product line they're pushing. I always wanted to play an aspect warrior army, but I would also like to give a good account of myself and maybe win a few games.
ts25679 just play kill team. It’s a better game
On protecting your psykers (yes, I'm watching it again): don't forget Celestial Shield. 20 Guardian Defenders with two heavy weapon platforms gets a 4++ for 1 CP. I play Ulthwe, so they also have a 6+++. Of course, you'll probably have them in units of 10+1, so they can be moved around in Wave Serpents... Since they're fairly high Ld, though, the large blob doesn't really suffer or benefit from the new morale rules, unless your dice are hot or not. If you can spare a Will of Asuryan, though, its moot.
Thank you so much youve definitly eased my fears for my poor eldar. Subscribed
Idk if you took it the same way I did, this made my fears worse...
in what way have they eased your fears? Most of the bat reps on this channel that feature Eldar have them getting dominated.
@@Quole1234 at the time this came out, we hadn't seen how poor they were yet. The video turned out to be prematurely optimistic.
Since 3rd edition I have wanted an Iyanden Wraith style army because of Lore and Colors. Finally got around to it in 8th
Now with the new points from CA 9th my moral immune guardians are super expensive. Wraithblades have been hit super hard, and the Wraithfighter just can't be justified against the Crimson Hunter Exarch now.
I just can't see a good way to make it work without really teching into stuff that I don't want in a semi-fluffy Iyanden force😢
I recently started an Iyanden army. We will know how successful Iyanden will be when their new codex comes out. Whenever that will be.
Mass AP-2 bolter fire is going to make eldar die in droves. Eldar better get massive point drops so we can get more aspect units on the table. We've lost our Neg 3- BS shenanigans. So only bikes, wraith and vehicles will probably be viable.
To be fair -3 to hit was incredibly frustrating for everybody else, and that was without counting moving and shooting heavy weapons
Eldar flyer spam...
Got to say I have been loving these videos.... Can't wait for the Grey Knights
Any chance we can get this vid updated since the codex has released and a good bit has changed?
i can't get past turn 50 from a verry hard Orc he shows up with tons of units that have 30-50 hp ea and none of my units can take more than 2 hits from the orc, not the vehicles, artillery does no dmg, heroes die in 1 hit.... what is this race ?
Hey guys, just curious, are we goingm to get a video on the necrons?
What role do you guys see Wraithguard playing in 9th? I'm a big fan of Iyanden and the wraith style units, and Wraithlords have gotten a big bump with the new rules but I was wondering if you think a Wraith-heavy army can take advantage of the current meta
I really hope so, I just finished 15 wraithblades, 5 guard, 2 lords, a spiritseer, and a forgeworld wraithseer. I just got a knight too but I guess that was a waste...
With the new strategic reserves absolutely bringing on wraithguard from a board side you can just delete a unit
Gotta love their 3 Eldar flyers modeled for advantage by reversing the flight stand.
Where's the advantage?
You measure to the base so...?
The nose in the air allows the flyer to avoid its model hanging over an edge more often by shortening its horizontal length.
@@40KProdigalson or in the case of a vehicle, which the flyer is, the hull. Otherwise good luck measuring to the "base" on a Wave-Serpent.
F for wraithknights getting shafted again
i begrudgingly will always bring one with the sword and shield bc its badass lol. if nothing else its scary so the baddies will want to focus fire it down drawing fire away from other units
@@Ottakazi Unless your opponent has faced one before. :/
@@DJRegicide then deepstrike it and make they care xD
@@Ottakazi - How do you deepstrike a Wraithknight in 8th or 9th edition? It hasn't been a jump model, subsequently with a deepstrike option since 7th.
@@catspyjamas8005 Maybe the Skathach Wraithknight will be cheaper ...
So sacrifice your tanks turn 1 or 2, and sacrifice your troops the next turn... playing as a race who is trying to save lives as much as possible.
And if you don't treat your Eldar like guard troops, "you're gonna be in a tough spot"
What about pointcosts, did you playtest with balanced costs or is it just 2019 CA. I'm guessing the Wave Serpent goes above 200 pts. with usable setup when the changes come out.
"War walkers."
I'm curious about Wasps too. What's the consensus about them in 9th?
Vipers I think are the more viable alternative.
@@Joetime90 I think a Warwalker with duo brightlance for 80 points doesnt seem that bad imo.
Great work as usual guys
Am I missing something with the Dire Avengers, take the shimmer shield and the whol unit gets 5+ invon? Many thanks for the content been waiting for this one.
yeah, it seems to be a mistake on their part.
"Shimmershield: A unit which includes a model with a shimmershield has a 5+ invulnerable save."
But it seems they are using original 4++ invuln of the exarch without shimmershield.
In the example about allocating wounds, they are referring to using the Battle Fortune Exarch power which grants the search a 4++.
They were saying that we need to choose wisely about whether we will want to take shots on a regular Avenger for a particular phase, versus allocating them onto the exarch (who has Battle Fortune), because you can no longer flip-flop wound allocation between the two in 9th.
Exarch*
@@merkaris8405 Many thanks for the clarification, I understand what they were trying to get across re the allocating of wounds. The point I was trying to make is that if your take the Shimmer Shield they all get a 5+ invon. So alocation the wounds on the troops will still get a 5+.
Manipulating hit modifiers is how Eldar survive. But I guess other armies get to decide how we play our army zzzz. Can we zap the Lt. Reroll aura that doesn't need a die pass to activate? Broken.
How do aspect warriors work this edition? Like striking scorpions... I think they might be quite good with their deep strike
Are you going to be doing a faction focus for dark eldar?
Do you know if Cover is still effective against weapons like doomweaver?
What paints did you use? As this colour Scheme, but bone instead of white is what I'm aiming for!!!
Great vid. For a second list, I might try Ultwe Eldar, for extra durability.
You guys gonna be doing a Drukhari one? I really appreciate your analysis.
I'd love to hear yalls opinion on Non-Codex Marines. DA and the new bikes, BA and the combat and engagement changes, SW similar to BA, and even RG and DW.
Kinda strange that after 9 editions they still cant seem to properly balance this game 🤔
Look at World of Warcraft. Been playing for 11 years and constantly changing classes due to not being balanced. I think it’s harder than it looks
GW "balance" the game on sales
Make Eldar great again
Hello, I really enjoyed this video. I wanted to ask if there is a resource page where I may note the units for the strategies you shared? VS me listening, rewinding and copying it down. Thank you!
my fav person in july 2020 is adrian
D'awww
where did that get that table mat that they are using?
So sad, no knights, or Wraithguard :( love your videos!
@16:24 what strat are you talking about the rangers using?
Looks like I'll be moving to minimum unit sizes for the most part. Like, 3 units of three dark reapers give you three tempest launchers for good indirect blast fire. Plus they won't all be wiped away at once and losing a unit isn't the end of the world.
1 thing to remember with eldar the do cast very well but if they get tagged and fall out they can not use psychic abilites
Do you think you guys will review Ynnari at all? I'm getting back into the game and love the idea of Drukhari and Craftworlds mixed, but I have no clue what I'm doing lol
Asurmen + Dire Avengers + Wave Serpents seems to be the core.
We get one CP for every command phase but it begs the question is it worth to take an Autarch still.
I’m a new player who was going to start an army before Coronavirus hit and now I’m not sure if this is the best time to start since it will be hard to meet people who could help teach me the game or how to model and paint (or just provide some guidance) but after learning a lot about all the factions I’ve decided on Eldar as my first choice (and Tau as a fairly close second). Hopefully they don’t become too harmed by 9th edition rules before their codex drops...
This was quite helpful. ✌🏽cheers
And then the points changed happened and the army dropped in size by 50% 🙄
It seems stupid that a flying unit couldn’t fall back and shoot, after all its reaching it to say that a flying unit could really be charged and hit in melee anyway except by another flyer...
Which Transports are good in any army?
I'm wondering how Wraithlords will fare in the new edition. I feel like i was the only one who even remembered that they existed in 8th. Armed with heavy weapons, the ability to move and shoot without penalty will give them some ability for fire support while also bieng able to bring their melee power to bear later, while a wraithlord with shuriken cannons, flamers and a sword could be a nice primary melee threat
Wraithlords with expert crafters are pretty tasty with star cannons or missiles. Now they're even better
I'm not sure i agree on mobility. Typically mobility is better when distances are larger. The less room there is, the less mobility matters. So can you explain this a bit more?
On a more personal note, I used
to field a craftworld footdar brigade from about 1600 points onwards. I'm sure I don't have more cp than before.
Thanks!
Great video :D
The only thing is that this highlights how broken the game is now, from a realism to war sense. New wound allocation and line of sight rules, and that "sacrificial" tactic, are just so far from believable, or from Eldar lore, it hurts my little crystaline matrix :`(
Nothing about Wraithblades or Wraithguard? That T6, 3W profile looks good on paper as an anvil unit, did it just not pan out?
there over costed compared to other units. wraithguard is 10 PL compared to the 4 or 5 PL of the melta marines.
@@ashlevrier I bet they will get a points drop
@@ashlevrier with a spiritseer wraithblades can have a 2+, 3++, not to mention they are T6 with 3W. They are amazing in 9th.
I feel strategic reserves will really help wraith guard variations
dark eldar up next?
(please)
You missed one new big shot. You can spend CP to put troops into reserve. Thats great, because your biggest weakness of shuriken catapults is its range.
Now you can let your weak guardsmen and dire avengers come into the game from the sides of the table 9 inches away from enemies. Thats great because it is still in 12 inches range and you won't need transports to actualy use your troops. It is a very cheap way to kill specialits units like devastators, elites and stuff like that. Also if you also have your fire prism at the board, the oponnent probably won't attack your guardsmen anyway with his tanks. So you can clean off alot infanterie and your opponent will probably not handle yours. This could be used to set your opponent under pressure alot.
The downside is, everbody can do so. That may result in a "you go firs, no you go first" dueling, where players hesitate to reinforce their army. This might make the game in general stuttery.
Unfortunately with the new overwatch rule, flamethrowers will not be that great anymore.
Another question, why didn't you mention Vypers? They were already one of the best units of all in 8th. and with 9th they will become even better. Unfortunately Landspeeders will also become much better than vypers, but with alaitoc -1 to hit the vypers are a very durable.
What realy sucks, with new the focus on melee and the new space marine primaris assault marines, melee seems realy unbalanced. The benefit of shining spears were its speed, more wounds, armor of 3 and inv of 4. Their weapons are great against infantrie but bad against vehicles. Now other factions are also very fast, can also easily charge, they have the same amount of wounds or even more and they have better weapons aswell. Also SM new assault marines have much more attacks and get even more with shock assault, while shining spears have way to less attacks.
I don't know why GW hates shining spears, they don't even produce them anymore. This video is again an example, that almost everyone needs to kitbash their shining spears on their own. It is not just, that shining spears don't have new models. They don't even sell the old ones anymore. There are out of stock for years now. I NEVER saw them on stock. I was never able to actually buy them from GW directly. And on ebay they are sometimes redicously expensive. So i guess GW abanded them.
I hope Iyanden's playable. I just want as much wraith as possible.
Depending on points wraiths seem to be the only playable units that’ll be survivable