I didn't mind the later versions, where I feel like the UI took the biggest hit was Big Sur. It gives it more of a Googley design and the painfully uniformity of the icons Apple has been on for awhile seems like a UX negative. I liked having unique shapes to icons as it was yet another way to quickly identify them and establish personality.
I wish they had one of the legacy macOS (OS X) security updates. Some people really want a stable OS, with existing features rather than power hungry updates. P.S. Awesome video. Please upload more.
That's really sad. But I guess once you hit a certain number of followers and a support page, things would look better. Please, don't stop uploading.@@dmug
@@zizlog_sound I feel like this a goofy semantics debate that will get epistemological really quick. I view it as a hobby and people assume I make money off it because of RUclips advertising. I do make money but thus far I’ve continuously spent more on it than made. The analogy is use is I view it like someone into arts and crafts, you can make beautiful quilts and sell them but the point isn’t to make money. It’s a nice bonus that enables you to continue the hobby. If I were to make like $1000 a month it’d go right back into the hobby(build a NAS, get retro hardware etc) but at that point it’d be self funding. Right now I make like a quarter of that.
I still have my SL 10.6.3 install disk that I purchased at the Apple store back in the day. It's definitely up there as one of Apple's best releases. Fast, lightweight and yea... that intro Welcome video is pretty cool.
I think bought it somewhere at some point and probably just lost it or gave it away as it was pretty inexpensive. I didn't always "buy" macOS back in the day as I was poor college kid so I just "borrowed" it from the internet. These days I buy my software. In fact, I think the only macOS I bought during the PPC days was the OS X beta.
@@dmugIndeed. SL was the only OS I ever purchased. When Mavericks came along and it was free, that's when I upgraded from SL. Thinking about it some more... Apple providing free OS's was good and bad. The bad being, it is what really enables them to move forward with their planned obsolesce business model.
My favorite detail of Snow Leopard is that it was the last release without the Mac crap store. Didn't like the dumb store in the beginning, and to this day I still wish I could permanently uninstall it. 🤷
@@paws315 I’m indifferent, it’s pretty easy for me to manager the few apps I bought through it like FCPX/Motion/Compressor/Logic and Pixelmator Pro, IA writer, Soulver and a few others. Most of the apps on it are trash but same can be said for every App Store: steam, iOS App Store and so on.
@@dmug I prefer getting software direct from the developer, including the billing relationship so as much money as possible goes to the dev. I don't like being made to go through a centralized app store, and I particularly don't like that Apple implemented it as a persistent, unremovable process squandering RAM.
I always love these trips down memory lane, the good ole days! Makes me want to install some older versions of macOS. My Mac Pro 5,1 still plugging along 13 years later!
I miss my first MacBook, and I miss Snow Leopard. The moment I upgraded from Snow Leopard, I regretted it instantly, because I was no longer able to use Microsoft Word, which I needed in college. I was also not able to play my favorite Sims 2 game anymore. Instead, I was told I would’ve had to buy the game from the App Store, which I didn’t want to do. Now I just have an iPad…I wish my iPad had a built-in CD player and Snow Leopard… :(
Snow Leopard came with my MacBook 2008, which was my first macbook and I loved it like crazy. It blew everything out of the water. I still have the MacBook and use Parallel 6 on it and have Snow Leopard and Lion still. Would boot it up and play some older games. Such a great system. Thanks for the video.
I have several macs that came with Snow Leopard and still use it for Rosetta apps or games. Love the OS, but then I’m not expecting it to be modern in capability. It does what it did extremely well. Surprised it has almost modern web options, but that’s thanks to people who love the OS and are invested in keeping it usable beyond its years.
This comment is out of date and was originally written when LTT drama spilled over into my channel’s comment section despite me having zero to do with it. If you have no idea what I’m talking about, I wish I was you. Originally message below: Well.... so.... things are just exploding all around LTT/LMG, and more bombs probably will be dropped. In this video I have a gag about being mentioned on the WAN show. It’s disappointing as it was a thrill as a no name Apple focused channel be mentioned by one of the largest RUclipsrs (who’s pc focused on top of that) and also see one of my Mac video thumbnails pop up in another. Both were complete surprises. This joke was more amusing before things got real. Thanks for understanding. --- I know every video I say "Check the description" but all the links are there for the browsers, tips, and even 5k versions of all the Snow Leopard desktops are there.
@@thesilentobserver93 The gag aged like fine milk which makes it too funny to me to remove from this video. The irony is pretty spot on that I'd celebrate being mentioned by a famous RUclipsr only to have his company fall from grace after serious allegations of workplace harassment. (that part of it is less funny). On my LTT backpack review, I had a few clowns accusing me of getting paid by LTT or having a special relationship with them which is news to me. I guess I should be expecting a big fat LTT money check... I'm sure it'll be here any day now.
For me LTT is a source of entertaining videos so I don’t much care about the current controversy. BTW Snow Leopard was pre-installed on my first Mac so I remember it fondly. Final comment would be why would you want to use wi-fi on a Desktop Mac, ethernet is so much better.
Wdym? They are still a SUPER big channel in the tech industry (So being features is something to be proud of). And the controversy is comming from a very diferent aspect of their business practices that does NOT affect negatively the fact that you got mentioned nor makes this video in any way dated. Its nice that you cleared things out, but you never had anything to clear dude.
I had a hackintosh running 10.6.8 on a Dell 1011 netbook soon after Snow Mountain was released (I bought my retail copy at Best Buy). A few years later, I was grudgingly forced to install Ubuntu after Apple dropped all its 32-bit app support. With upgrades of 2 GB and a terabyte hard drive it actually ran quite well.
Too true, you can’t even make cosmetic changes like changing system icons without having to disable SIP. Having a non-rideable system certainly is more secure, but it does take away from some of the charm of customization.
gotta mention sorbet leopard here, which adds on to snow leopard and makes the OS a lot more usable. also I’m unsure if this can apply to 10.6 but hitting cmd+shift+. (dot) can bring up hidden files without needing to enter any commands in the terminal. just so you know ;)
Sorbet Leopard is based on10.5 and isn't 10.6, its mostly for PPC Macs The hot keys do not work in snow leopard, I tried. That short cut must have been added later as I use it frequently for dev stuff.
I used the Maxthon 4 browser on Snow Leopard in 2018 with only 1GB RAM and it worked very well.However security standards changed the following year and Maxthon 4 went into the sunset.Firefox 48 was the highest I could go on 10.6.8 Arctic Fox did well.I was able to easily install it.However,in Spring 2022,Comcast stopped supporting Snow Leopard and i upgraded my mid 2007 I-Mac to 10.11.6.This lasted for 7 months when the GPU failed.Then I ordered late 2014 Mac Mini 8GB RAM/500 GB storage from Amazon refurbished for $326 with Catalina OS 10.15.7.
Very cool, I have a MacBook 13 2007 2gb ram only, I'm still loving it, I had to install a lightweight Linux distro along with Snow Leopard in dual boot to do video editing. Do you have any advice for free video editing applications that can run on Snow Leopard on my limited hardware?
I don’t think there were any besides iMovie, otherwise it’s sailing the high seas for old software like Final Cut Pro, you may find it on eBay legally though.
@@dmug thanks for your honest reply, I understand the limit, better keep editing videos with open source, Final Cut and 2Gb ram are not a good combination 😂
@@pierpig7058 the only other option really would be to get Linux installed and hope Blackmagic davinci resolve runs ok with the free version. Video editing is not super ram intensive but 2 GB is really pushing it.
@@josemedeiros007 The articles I found said $29 and also there's steve jobs clip of the price but I was wondering if they lowered the price later. Apple used to actually lower prices. The 30 inch Cinema Display was $3300 at launch and by the time Apple stopped selling it was $1799.
@@dmug That's probably what happened, now OS X 10.7 is a free download, I helped a friend with his 2006 Mac Pro and it would not let him do a OS X Lion install using the Recovery Partition because it said it was not in his purchase history, so he bought it on a Friday for $19.99 and had to wait several days for Apple to process the order.
I love the shameless plugs 🔌! You earned it sir. Now to see an old Mac Pro and 10.6 was cool 😎 🎊 🎉! That was a great version of Mac OS X. However as we all know life moves on. Or maybe tech moves on but people stay on old OS’s. 😂 😢😅
I figured I'd get it out of my system in goofy montage since it's probably been over a year and half since I've said my channel name in my video.... well, until some other RUclipsr mentions me. I've never ever asked for a like or subscribe so I figured why not embrace it for once? My bio is mostly me trashing on my YT channel.
@@WarriorsPhoto Totally a hobby, I've managed to spend a lot more than I've ever made on RUclips. At some point I might start a patreon or something to buy a better camera, and fund some video ideas.
@@WarriorsPhoto I really appreciate the kind words. I have a career so it'd take quite a bit to push me out of it to pursue RUclips full time. Where I'd like this to be is it basically makes enough that it can fund itself (buy old computers for content, the necessary hardware upgrades like a NAS with a nice amount of storage, new camera, and list goes on and on) and maybe beer money. I have a long ways to go for that, as I make $200 a month from RUclips.
@@dmug I like experimenting so I downloaded the apps that's easy to install. I installed on a old MacBook 2008 , with snow leopard. Interweb and Firefox legacy (when downloaded name changes to nightly app) works well but speed is not great for youtube but the videos does play with no problems. I want to try the other apps just out of curiosity but it's the apps that require extra steps so I'm watching your video again and checking the web for help before trying. Would any of these apps be good for El Capitan for 2006 macpro?
I got a similar Mac Pro setup with Snow Leopard, but with Final Cut Studio 3 & Logic Studio 2, Adobe CS5.5 Production Premium, Avid Media Composer 6, Pro Tools 10, Apple Shake 4.1, and Ableton Live 8 Standard installed. I barely use most of it, but it’s good to have it for when I get bored of my 14” MacBook Pro. Maybe one of these days I’ll make a video showcasing my Mac Pro and it’s software…
Shake, now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. I dunno what I’d do with a total retro box like that, the only retro machine I have for any real use is my MacBook Air 2015 for my Numark NS7s
@@dmug Yeah my Mac Pro is admittedly kind of redundant considering what else I have in my Mac collection. But one of these days I’d like to sit down and learn Shake though, as I hope to use it for future videos!
@@becerrafilms if you get to it, I’d like to see the video. I used Combustion back a similar time frame as Shake which had node based compositing. I believe autodesk folded it Maya since it too had node based compositing but also the whole 3D suite so you could do much more advanced modeling
I've gone Post-Adobe for years now both professionally and personally. Pixelmator Pro / Final Cut Pro / Motion / Compressor / Affinity Illustrator is what I use for everything you see in my videos. There's no equal to Photoshop or After Effects but close enough is good enough.
@@velociraptor5962 Interesting, I never liked that app, I either want a simple two track recorder like Sound Studio or I want something more robust like Cubase but I haven't used it in many years, and I think now it's more of a podcasting tool. I wish adobe would have continued Sound Edit 16 as that was such a brain dead easy app to use and did multi-track.
Still running SL remotely as a server as just one specific app with dongle is required. Works fine on geriatric early Mac Mini Duo but after watching this have a spare tower so will see what if any better performance there might be. V informative so thanks.
Just imagine if Steve Jobs is actually still around today Apple makes free products, but there’s still a lot of things are left to be desired even though I’m a Linux enthusiast as well in a privacy advocate, I still have a passion for Apple
Would be interesting to see a comparison between editing a video on the older system Vs. a current system. What has changed between then and now? What does "today" have over "yesterday" and does "yesterday" have anything "today" doesn't?
If I can find my old gpu that isn’t trash I could do a comparison against my Mac Pro 7,1 or M1 Max, but I already know how it’ll go because of the ingest process of FCP7 vs FCPX and I’m someone who prefers FCPX’s elastic time line. Might be of interest though of nostalgia. Final Cut Pro 7 for a few years was the superior product as Final Cut Pro X launched with so many missing features. I’ll put in my script idea list.
I have a 17 inch 2006 imac 1.83 ghz core 2 duo running snow leopard. I used it to play RUclips videos for background noise while I was working until 2022. I used the latest supported version of chrome. It wasn't the quickest but it would play the videos. Only sometimes it would work playing them full-screen. I would get occasional messages to upgrade my browser but it would browse the internet doing whatever I needed. I tried running the sims 2 and 3 on it and they were not playable.
Question: if you had a (fairly modern) mac running something like 10.15 - and erased the hardrive to get any previous stuff off it How would you install another OS? There would be no browser to get online to download. I do have a snow leopard disk. Could you install that on the mac then download a more up to date OS? ps great vid BTW!
I just wish I knew how to change the app store country. I'm in mainland China and when I try to enter my apple id and pass I get a connection error. I'm thinking it's because what's showing up is in Chinese so it must think thats where I want to connect. Unfortunately the solution everyone gives is click the flag button at the bottom, which mine doesn't have.
Anybody know any way to change the look of the dock in Sonoma without disabling SIP? This was so much more pleasing to look at but I don’t care enough to take that risk for it
Having to setup Audio DAW Systems for clients (like legacy ProTools 10 HD) make me visit the SL arena about once every 6 months; many Old cheesgraters literally run run audio sessions from Fri thru Sunday without the need for a reboot and without any memory-leak issues, Snow Leopard is lean (as mentioned in your video) and has dozens of less spy agents including icloud stuff running in the background, the last note is that if already have the old SL combo updates and patches already downloaded and need to apply them to a new install, change the date back or they will not install, this will save the need to update via Apple's servers which will eventually be turned off for SL.
I love high Sierra and Mojave , HS allow me to run windows. Mojave allow me to have dark mode. I hate the new Mac OS , don’t need my Mac OS to run and look IOS. I still love Mac OS Server
Awesome video thank you so much for this! I’ve been using a 2008 iMac as my every day driver for a long time now but I have Linux mint installed in it and it works great. I never have any problems nobody can believe how fast it is and how responsive it runs all the latest software but it’s Linux not macOS. Using inter-web. Is it possible to use snow leopard or whatever the last supported macOS is as my every day system or would you recommend staying with a modern Linux os?
I would not want to run Snow Leopard as my daily driver, too little support, so many security vulnerabilities, also I'd check on the OpenCore legacy patcher (OCLP)'s support for your computer, if it supports it Monterey tends to run rather well on unsupported hardware. I had my Mac Pro 2008 running Monterey and it felt pretty damn zippy but again, it is a dual 4-core CPU Mac Pro 2008 with 8 GB of RAM and an SSD with GeForce 760 GPU. While not impressive, it's a lot higher speced than most computers of that era.
Modern internet experience on Snow Leopard sounds pretty cool. And it is, but let's not forget it's contemporary to Windows 7, and not many people are amazed that you can use a completely modern version of a mainstream web browser there (Firefox will be supported for another year until Sept 2024).
Sure but the difference is support: Microsoft is legendary at this point for it's long tail support. Windows 7's support lasted until 2020, whereas Snow Leopard was dropped in 2016 (unusually long support for Apple) and Apple's willingness to force new standards on macOS.
@@BilisNegra Nah, it's valid point that it isn't impressive for Windows and it is for macOS to run a modern browser on a 14 year old operating system. It says quite a bit about each company's attitude towards legacy support.
@@JeremyBolanos Well the 3,1 - 5,1s are much much easier to boot multiple OSes on than most Macs. I highly recommend for simplicity though putting each OS on different drives. Also if you intend to use OpenCore as the primary boot loader, you'll want to install the UEFI compatible versions. As far as React dev, almost computer from 2012 onward will kick the 3,1 in the teeth as single core speeds are far far more important for transpiling, especially if you end up in some gnarly node env that React is likely hooked on. It's more than capable but I'd take a 2018 Mac Mini over a classic Mac Pro for web dev and I'd stick to macOS, on the off chance to end up going to React Native. I have nothing against Linux web devs but it could be my bias as a UX dev, that macOS is the correct option for anything front end.
@@dmug My primary computer is still my 2020 iMac i7. But since my primary coding right now is react, I always want to be able to jump around. I'll give the OCLP a try and see what it does.
Whichever I recommended in the video. If you’re willing to use literally any version of OS X that is newer, 10.7 and up, chrome legacy is still being actively developed and pale moon was being developed until 2023 I believe. Snow leopard really shouldn’t be used for the web in any serious capacity.
Yes I have tried all of them and more so they are not working well because you cannot load the website well and you don't have any chance to see anything in an good manner // Any idea in order to develop or modified a Browser to be used in Snow Leopard nowadays ?????
Ilove 10.6 Still use it for photoshop and imovie 6.5 HD , whith rosetta installed for Power pc Old software and quicktime 7 . 10.6 and 10.4 where the best Apple Systems , ease to use I own , 5 Power pc imacs 2002 till 2005 And 4 intell imacs 10.6 2009 2010 that still can Run rosetta Greetings from the netherlands
XP was terrible! It was the most insecure, hacked, virus attacked OS ever. They only plugged all the leaks in SP3, and by then it was super bloated. But yes, 7 was perfect.
The reason why Articfox has a different RUclips video player MIGHT be because it's based on Pale Moon, which itself is based on a older Firefox version.
Hmm that’s interesting, I remember the html5 player plugins for safari some time ago. Didn’t consider it was a conscience choice to force a different UI. I should have done inspect element, and looked deeper
I’m sure there’s an Opera version from the 2010s that was on snow leopard but they switched to Chromium around 2012-2014 and chromium dropped support for snow leopard before Firefox. So it’s Firefox or bust, with these old browsers, which is fine.
I think it would be interesting to see if those web browsers would let you go to your bank website... or if those high security websites would complain.
Yeah, I thought about testing against a wider variety of websites (not banking specifically), but there's only so long I can hold most viewers attention showing webpages loading. Once I got Spiderweb going, almost all websites (Sans github) seemed to work properly. I decided the most important thing was demonstrating you could get a "good enough" experience. I'm guessing most people who'd use these are doing it for entertainment or possibly narrow use cases and not a primary computer, hence "good enough".
I'm not rich, so I don't have fancy GPUs or anything. I've never owned SSDs either. Everybody keeps swapping their hard disk drives to solid state drives.
Everything is great but no browser is working well with this system and users cannot use the system for this stuff /// Any idea developers ?????????? I have tried all browsers with this system ( none of them is working well ) IT'S ASHAMED !!!!!!!!!!
chromium legacy browser is out for osx snow leopard i think! u con basicilly run newest google chrome on old outdated macs.... i use it on my 2008 mac pro like urs i have two 256 gb ssds an 2 500gb hdd in it along with 20gb of ram an ad amd radeon hd 5700 1gb! i paid 60$ for my mac pro! and the only money i spent on it was the gpu! btw i still have the amd radeon 2600xt that came in it!
I hate Sonoma so much! It’s so unreliable. So many functions just don’t work. It’s just not intuitive anymore. Things like tiling windows. It suddenly complains “this screen cant be tiled’. This never happened before. Always when something doesn’t work, they say “update” only to find a new problem. I hate this vicious cycle. For 2000€ for a laptop I don’t accept this nonsense anymore. I switched to Fedora 40 and am no lo longer stressed anymore when using my computer. Also the switch to Catalina making half my library unusable is where it began, and I will never forgive apple for that. I have been a customer for 28 years. And after 10.6.8. Apple took a turn for the worse.
One of the all time most beautiful operation systems out there, even today. I miss the classy feel of older Mac OS X versions.
I didn't mind the later versions, where I feel like the UI took the biggest hit was Big Sur. It gives it more of a Googley design and the painfully uniformity of the icons Apple has been on for awhile seems like a UX negative. I liked having unique shapes to icons as it was yet another way to quickly identify them and establish personality.
Yes they lost it with Big Sur. It lacks contrast.@@dmug
i hate ventura so much :( its a pain to use and its an eyesore. settings is absolutely the worst
Yep, been holding off updating as long as I can. @@adityavora7878
The best one
I wish they had one of the legacy macOS (OS X) security updates. Some people really want a stable OS, with existing features rather than power hungry updates.
P.S. Awesome video. Please upload more.
I do what I can for upload schedule, I actively lose money on this hobby :)
That's really sad. But I guess once you hit a certain number of followers and a support page, things would look better. Please, don't stop uploading.@@dmug
my favorite part is seeing it load and having the real apple website be completely blown
@@dmug, if make or lose money it’s considered business not hobby.
@@zizlog_sound I feel like this a goofy semantics debate that will get epistemological really quick. I view it as a hobby and people assume I make money off it because of RUclips advertising. I do make money but thus far I’ve continuously spent more on it than made.
The analogy is use is I view it like someone into arts and crafts, you can make beautiful quilts and sell them but the point isn’t to make money. It’s a nice bonus that enables you to continue the hobby. If I were to make like $1000 a month it’d go right back into the hobby(build a NAS, get retro hardware etc) but at that point it’d be self funding. Right now I make like a quarter of that.
I still have my SL 10.6.3 install disk that I purchased at the Apple store back in the day. It's definitely up there as one of Apple's best releases. Fast, lightweight and yea... that intro Welcome video is pretty cool.
I think bought it somewhere at some point and probably just lost it or gave it away as it was pretty inexpensive. I didn't always "buy" macOS back in the day as I was poor college kid so I just "borrowed" it from the internet. These days I buy my software. In fact, I think the only macOS I bought during the PPC days was the OS X beta.
@@dmugIndeed. SL was the only OS I ever purchased. When Mavericks came along and it was free, that's when I upgraded from SL. Thinking about it some more... Apple providing free OS's was good and bad. The bad being, it is what really enables them to move forward with their planned obsolesce business model.
My favorite detail of Snow Leopard is that it was the last release without the Mac crap store. Didn't like the dumb store in the beginning, and to this day I still wish I could permanently uninstall it. 🤷
@@paws315 I’m indifferent, it’s pretty easy for me to manager the few apps I bought through it like FCPX/Motion/Compressor/Logic and Pixelmator Pro, IA writer, Soulver and a few others. Most of the apps on it are trash but same can be said for every App Store: steam, iOS App Store and so on.
@@dmug I prefer getting software direct from the developer, including the billing relationship so as much money as possible goes to the dev. I don't like being made to go through a centralized app store, and I particularly don't like that Apple implemented it as a persistent, unremovable process squandering RAM.
I always love these trips down memory lane, the good ole days! Makes me want to install some older versions of macOS.
My Mac Pro 5,1 still plugging along 13 years later!
What version of Mac OS X is running on the Mac Pro? 😮
@@WarriorsPhoto Monterey via Open Core, I may do the Ventura update with OC soon, however currently it is running nice on Monterey.
@@dwaynestimpson5449 I used Monterey till I bought a new MacBook. That's the only reason I up/downgraded. (:
@@dwaynestimpson5449It‘ll work fine on Monterey for many years to come so installing Ventura today isn‘t a requirement but just an option.
Mac OS X 10.6.6 was incredible. The latest versions don’t get my soul dancing the same way Snow Leopard 🐆 did.
Yeah, the redesign in Big Sur felt like Apple copying Google's aesthetic.
@@dmug I felt the BS since Lion
Snow Leopard was my favorite. I updated my white MacBook back then. I still use the same wallpaper today on my MacBook Pro.
I converted all the Snow Leopard desktops to 5k :)
blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/09/24/mac-osx-snow-leopard-nature-desktop-backgrounds-in-5k.html
Nice! Thanks for sharing 🤩@@dmug
I love the old OSX Aqua theming.
They'd make so many people happy if it was an optional theme.
Big Cats: Roar!
The "Big Cat" names!
The Aqua style is the most prettiest os style I've ever seen
Same, I wish they didn’t change it in lion-mavericks, I like the larger window decorations and glassy blue scroll bars.
the rich colors, the boldness of everything...take me back!
I miss my first MacBook, and I miss Snow Leopard. The moment I upgraded from Snow Leopard, I regretted it instantly, because I was no longer able to use Microsoft Word, which I needed in college. I was also not able to play my favorite Sims 2 game anymore. Instead, I was told I would’ve had to buy the game from the App Store, which I didn’t want to do. Now I just have an iPad…I wish my iPad had a built-in CD player and Snow Leopard… :(
Snow Leopard came with my MacBook 2008, which was my first macbook and I loved it like crazy. It blew everything out of the water. I still have the MacBook and use Parallel 6 on it and have Snow Leopard and Lion still. Would boot it up and play some older games. Such a great system. Thanks for the video.
Snow Leopard was released in 2009.
@@taavi948 yes you are right Snow Leopard was released in 2009, but I did not get my MacBook 2008 until end of 2009.
Have you checked out the gog store for Mac compatible games? There’s a lot of games on there that work on older OS X out of the box
I have several macs that came with Snow Leopard and still use it for Rosetta apps or games. Love the OS, but then I’m not expecting it to be modern in capability. It does what it did extremely well. Surprised it has almost modern web options, but that’s thanks to people who love the OS and are invested in keeping it usable beyond its years.
My SUPER HEROS! The Definitive Mac Upgrade Guide, the legacy Mac Pro 5,1, and Mac OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard!
The Definitive Mac Downgrade Guide for this vid :)
I loved snow leopard back in the day, it was perfect
Absolutely love your channel, Greg
Thanks, I'm always unsure if I have too many tangents in a video as of late.
This comment is out of date and was originally written when LTT drama spilled over into my channel’s comment section despite me having zero to do with it. If you have no idea what I’m talking about, I wish I was you. Originally message below:
Well.... so.... things are just exploding all around LTT/LMG, and more bombs probably will be dropped. In this video I have a gag about being mentioned on the WAN show. It’s disappointing as it was a thrill as a no name Apple focused channel be mentioned by one of the largest RUclipsrs (who’s pc focused on top of that) and also see one of my Mac video thumbnails pop up in another. Both were complete surprises. This joke was more amusing before things got real. Thanks for understanding.
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I know every video I say "Check the description" but all the links are there for the browsers, tips, and even 5k versions of all the Snow Leopard desktops are there.
I still think the joke was amusing.
@@thesilentobserver93 The gag aged like fine milk which makes it too funny to me to remove from this video. The irony is pretty spot on that I'd celebrate being mentioned by a famous RUclipsr only to have his company fall from grace after serious allegations of workplace harassment. (that part of it is less funny).
On my LTT backpack review, I had a few clowns accusing me of getting paid by LTT or having a special relationship with them which is news to me. I guess I should be expecting a big fat LTT money check... I'm sure it'll be here any day now.
For me LTT is a source of entertaining videos so I don’t much care about the current controversy. BTW Snow Leopard was pre-installed on my first Mac so I remember it fondly. Final comment would be why would you want to use wi-fi on a Desktop Mac, ethernet is so much better.
i wanna let you know you can use a amd radeon hd5800 fxf graphics card and can run snow leopard 1.6
Wdym? They are still a SUPER big channel in the tech industry (So being features is something to be proud of). And the controversy is comming from a very diferent aspect of their business practices that does NOT affect negatively the fact that you got mentioned nor makes this video in any way dated. Its nice that you cleared things out, but you never had anything to clear dude.
I had a hackintosh running 10.6.8 on a Dell 1011 netbook soon after Snow Mountain was released (I bought my retail copy at Best Buy). A few years later, I was grudgingly forced to install Ubuntu after Apple dropped all its 32-bit app support.
With upgrades of 2 GB and a terabyte hard drive it actually ran quite well.
watching your video on my imac made me do a double take walking in. It was suddenly back in time 10 years and the os looked way better.
the real throwback here is being able to edit system files freely. Been a minute...
Too true, you can’t even make cosmetic changes like changing system icons without having to disable SIP. Having a non-rideable system certainly is more secure, but it does take away from some of the charm of customization.
I wish the reflective dock shelf would come back. Looks fancy compared to the blurred background of the dock we have now.
gotta mention sorbet leopard here, which adds on to snow leopard and makes the OS a lot more usable.
also I’m unsure if this can apply to 10.6 but hitting cmd+shift+. (dot) can bring up hidden files without needing to enter any commands in the terminal. just so you know ;)
Sorbet Leopard is based on10.5 and isn't 10.6, its mostly for PPC Macs
The hot keys do not work in snow leopard, I tried. That short cut must have been added later as I use it frequently for dev stuff.
@@dmug ah, got it, thanks for the clarification about sorbet lol
@@georgemoodier No problem. I think Action Retro has a video where he installs it. I kinda want to do a video on it but I don't have a PPC Mac 🙃
I used the Maxthon 4 browser on Snow
Leopard in 2018 with only 1GB RAM and it worked very well.However security standards changed the following year and Maxthon 4 went into the sunset.Firefox 48 was the highest I could go on 10.6.8 Arctic Fox did well.I was able to easily install it.However,in Spring 2022,Comcast stopped supporting Snow Leopard and
i upgraded my mid 2007 I-Mac to 10.11.6.This lasted for 7 months when the GPU failed.Then I ordered late 2014 Mac Mini 8GB RAM/500 GB storage from
Amazon refurbished for $326 with Catalina OS 10.15.7.
Snow Leopard definitely looked the best, worked the best, and had my favorite features
I remember how it was SO stable. And came right after a very troubled release.
Very cool, I have a MacBook 13 2007 2gb ram only, I'm still loving it, I had to install a lightweight Linux distro along with Snow Leopard in dual boot to do video editing. Do you have any advice for free video editing applications that can run on Snow Leopard on my limited hardware?
I don’t think there were any besides iMovie, otherwise it’s sailing the high seas for old software like Final Cut Pro, you may find it on eBay legally though.
@@dmug thanks for your honest reply, I understand the limit, better keep editing videos with open source, Final Cut and 2Gb ram are not a good combination 😂
@@pierpig7058 the only other option really would be to get Linux installed and hope Blackmagic davinci resolve runs ok with the free version. Video editing is not super ram intensive but 2 GB is really pushing it.
@@dmug Actually I use Kdmlive, Da Vinci resolve has higher system requirements unfortunately.
Good video Greg, I found it very interesting. Apple use to sell the OS X 10.6.3 DVD for $19.99.
Oh wow, not even $29? Was that after Lion?
@@dmug I am not sure, If I recall correctly Lion was only available as a download for $19.99 or as a USB thumb drive that they shipped to you.
@@josemedeiros007 The articles I found said $29 and also there's steve jobs clip of the price but I was wondering if they lowered the price later. Apple used to actually lower prices. The 30 inch Cinema Display was $3300 at launch and by the time Apple stopped selling it was $1799.
@@dmug That's probably what happened, now OS X 10.7 is a free download, I helped a friend with his 2006 Mac Pro and it would not let him do a OS X Lion install using the Recovery Partition because it said it was not in his purchase history, so he bought it on a Friday for $19.99 and had to wait several days for Apple to process the order.
I did the same about 6 months ago. (Mine is a 2010, 5.1 version) It really works! Amazing.
Thanks for the useful video. Now able to surf the net with an iMac frozen in time with Snow Leopard 10.6!
I love the shameless plugs 🔌!
You earned it sir.
Now to see an old Mac Pro and 10.6 was cool 😎 🎊 🎉! That was a great version of Mac OS X. However as we all know life moves on. Or maybe tech moves on but people stay on old OS’s. 😂 😢😅
I figured I'd get it out of my system in goofy montage since it's probably been over a year and half since I've said my channel name in my video.... well, until some other RUclipsr mentions me. I've never ever asked for a like or subscribe so I figured why not embrace it for once? My bio is mostly me trashing on my YT channel.
@@dmug Is this a business 🧑💼 or hobby?
@@WarriorsPhoto Totally a hobby, I've managed to spend a lot more than I've ever made on RUclips. At some point I might start a patreon or something to buy a better camera, and fund some video ideas.
@@dmug Got it!
As a fellow RUclips performer. You’ve got what it takes to make dollars 💵 and a lot of 💰 on this platform.
Be well.
@@WarriorsPhoto I really appreciate the kind words. I have a career so it'd take quite a bit to push me out of it to pursue RUclips full time. Where I'd like this to be is it basically makes enough that it can fund itself (buy old computers for content, the necessary hardware upgrades like a NAS with a nice amount of storage, new camera, and list goes on and on) and maybe beer money. I have a long ways to go for that, as I make $200 a month from RUclips.
Nice . Great video going download the browser mentioned in this video 😊
Just FYI, github hates all the browsers mentioned or any browsers for 10.6, I had to download Interweb on another computer. Links in the description.
@@dmug I like experimenting so I downloaded the apps that's easy to install.
I installed on a old MacBook 2008 , with snow leopard. Interweb and Firefox legacy (when downloaded name changes to nightly app) works well but speed is not great for youtube but the videos does play with no problems.
I want to try the other apps just out of curiosity but it's the apps that require extra steps so I'm watching your video again and checking the web for help before trying.
Would any of these apps be good for El Capitan for 2006 macpro?
Os x 10.6 I remeber is a really good stable os without all the crazy features and a 3d lively ui instead of the souless ui
1:01 i paid 23 bucks for my 120gb ssd with windows installed and it is pure gold
I had a white plastic MacBook with Leopard then Snow Leopard. I have zero desire to go back to that!!!!
August 2023 and works fine... Thank you!
I got a similar Mac Pro setup with Snow Leopard, but with Final Cut Studio 3 & Logic Studio 2, Adobe CS5.5 Production Premium, Avid Media Composer 6, Pro Tools 10, Apple Shake 4.1, and Ableton Live 8 Standard installed. I barely use most of it, but it’s good to have it for when I get bored of my 14” MacBook Pro. Maybe one of these days I’ll make a video showcasing my Mac Pro and it’s software…
Shake, now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. I dunno what I’d do with a total retro box like that, the only retro machine I have for any real use is my MacBook Air 2015 for my Numark NS7s
@@dmug Yeah my Mac Pro is admittedly kind of redundant considering what else I have in my Mac collection. But one of these days I’d like to sit down and learn Shake though, as I hope to use it for future videos!
@@becerrafilms if you get to it, I’d like to see the video. I used Combustion back a similar time frame as Shake which had node based compositing. I believe autodesk folded it Maya since it too had node based compositing but also the whole 3D suite so you could do much more advanced modeling
I miss the rounded buttons and the Aqua blue interface, especially the scroll bars.
Maybe I should buy a mac mini and run this, just so I can run my Adobe Creative Suite 32bit programs I spent a fortune on
I've gone Post-Adobe for years now both professionally and personally. Pixelmator Pro / Final Cut Pro / Motion / Compressor / Affinity Illustrator is what I use for everything you see in my videos.
There's no equal to Photoshop or After Effects but close enough is good enough.
@@dmug yes, absolutely to all that. But there is really no substitute for Audition though...
@@velociraptor5962 Interesting, I never liked that app, I either want a simple two track recorder like Sound Studio or I want something more robust like Cubase but I haven't used it in many years, and I think now it's more of a podcasting tool. I wish adobe would have continued Sound Edit 16 as that was such a brain dead easy app to use and did multi-track.
Still running SL remotely as a server as just one specific app with dongle is required. Works fine on geriatric early Mac Mini Duo but after watching this have a spare tower so will see what if any better performance there might be. V informative so thanks.
The snow leopard is my all-time favorite wallpaper.
I almost panicked when I saw that snow leopard was released 15 years ago.
Snow Leopard was my first Mac OS
My sister has an imac running 10.4, still works fine
How?
Video playback id try in VLC as i still daily drive Mac Pro 2012 with outdated Mojave
Just imagine if Steve Jobs is actually still around today Apple makes free products, but there’s still a lot of things are left to be desired even though I’m a Linux enthusiast as well in a privacy advocate, I still have a passion for Apple
Would be interesting to see a comparison between editing a video on the older system Vs. a current system. What has changed between then and now? What does "today" have over "yesterday" and does "yesterday" have anything "today" doesn't?
If I can find my old gpu that isn’t trash I could do a comparison against my Mac Pro 7,1 or M1 Max, but I already know how it’ll go because of the ingest process of FCP7 vs FCPX and I’m someone who prefers FCPX’s elastic time line. Might be of interest though of nostalgia. Final Cut Pro 7 for a few years was the superior product as Final Cut Pro X launched with so many missing features. I’ll put in my script idea list.
I have a 17 inch 2006 imac 1.83 ghz core 2 duo running snow leopard. I used it to play RUclips videos for background noise while I was working until 2022. I used the latest supported version of chrome. It wasn't the quickest but it would play the videos. Only sometimes it would work playing them full-screen. I would get occasional messages to upgrade my browser but it would browse the internet doing whatever I needed. I tried running the sims 2 and 3 on it and they were not playable.
Ok, how is possible downl Chrome browser from os 10.7?
It really was an amazing experience, whatever happened to OSX server? I guess it’s kinda irrelevant at this point but it was nice
Ahhhhh the days of AP mode on WEP.
You can run OSX Snow Leopard on a tablet and phone now using the UTM app or similar.
Question: if you had a (fairly modern) mac running something like 10.15 - and erased the hardrive to get any previous stuff off it
How would you install another OS? There would be no browser to get online to download.
I do have a snow leopard disk.
Could you install that on the mac then download a more up to date OS?
ps great vid BTW!
There is a good portion of the video where I’m saying out loud “Don’t waste your time on Firefox, you want Interweb” lol
Yeah, I eventually got there. I
I just wish I knew how to change the app store country. I'm in mainland China and when I try to enter my apple id and pass I get a connection error. I'm thinking it's because what's showing up is in Chinese so it must think thats where I want to connect. Unfortunately the solution everyone gives is click the flag button at the bottom, which mine doesn't have.
I'm still using mac mini G4 on Macos tiger😊
Anybody know any way to change the look of the dock in Sonoma without disabling SIP? This was so much more pleasing to look at but I don’t care enough to take that risk for it
There might be 3rd party paid apps but as far as the days of average person hacks? That ship sailed long ago sadly.
I am using it now on my Mac mini 4.1.
Snow Leopard was the best OS I ever used.
Having to setup Audio DAW Systems for clients (like legacy ProTools 10 HD) make me visit the SL arena about once every 6 months; many Old cheesgraters literally run run audio sessions from Fri thru Sunday without the need for a reboot and without any memory-leak issues, Snow Leopard is lean (as mentioned in your video) and has dozens of less spy agents including icloud stuff running in the background, the last note is that if already have the old SL combo updates and patches already downloaded and need to apply them to a new install, change the date back or they will not install, this will save the need to update via Apple's servers which will eventually be turned off for SL.
Yeah, there are combined update DMGs of snow leopard floating around like archive.org/details/osx-10.6.7-dvd
I love high Sierra and Mojave , HS allow me to run windows. Mojave allow me to have dark mode. I hate the new Mac OS , don’t need my Mac OS to run and look IOS. I still love Mac OS Server
my first OS :)
this was the os I started on
But what is the point ilife it's no longer supported by older O.S
Anybody knows how to have a good Browser on OS Snow Leopard to use this OS please?
Awesome. Thanks!
So beautiful interface. Even more beatiful thant the latest max os.
Awesome video thank you so much for this! I’ve been using a 2008 iMac as my every day driver for a long time now but I have Linux mint installed in it and it works great. I never have any problems nobody can believe how fast it is and how responsive it runs all the latest software but it’s Linux not macOS. Using inter-web. Is it possible to use snow leopard or whatever the last supported macOS is as my every day system or would you recommend staying with a modern Linux os?
I would not want to run Snow Leopard as my daily driver, too little support, so many security vulnerabilities, also I'd check on the OpenCore legacy patcher (OCLP)'s support for your computer, if it supports it Monterey tends to run rather well on unsupported hardware. I had my Mac Pro 2008 running Monterey and it felt pretty damn zippy but again, it is a dual 4-core CPU Mac Pro 2008 with 8 GB of RAM and an SSD with GeForce 760 GPU. While not impressive, it's a lot higher speced than most computers of that era.
Web greekparrot software offer combo update for OS leopard i lion?
Modern internet experience on Snow Leopard sounds pretty cool. And it is, but let's not forget it's contemporary to Windows 7, and not many people are amazed that you can use a completely modern version of a mainstream web browser there (Firefox will be supported for another year until Sept 2024).
Sure but the difference is support: Microsoft is legendary at this point for it's long tail support. Windows 7's support lasted until 2020, whereas Snow Leopard was dropped in 2016 (unusually long support for Apple) and Apple's willingness to force new standards on macOS.
@@dmug Well that's all true, maybe I should have stopped and thought for a while more.
@@BilisNegra Nah, it's valid point that it isn't impressive for Windows and it is for macOS to run a modern browser on a 14 year old operating system. It says quite a bit about each company's attitude towards legacy support.
I found a 2008 24" iMac at Goodwill for $45. Thanks for this video!
If you haven’t, also check out OCLP. Those 2008 iMacs are also surprisingly upgradeable although not sure how much you want to spend on it.
@@dmug I'm actually looking into if there's a way to dual boot with a linux distro so I can use it for react development.
@@JeremyBolanos Well the 3,1 - 5,1s are much much easier to boot multiple OSes on than most Macs. I highly recommend for simplicity though putting each OS on different drives.
Also if you intend to use OpenCore as the primary boot loader, you'll want to install the UEFI compatible versions.
As far as React dev, almost computer from 2012 onward will kick the 3,1 in the teeth as single core speeds are far far more important for transpiling, especially if you end up in some gnarly node env that React is likely hooked on. It's more than capable but I'd take a 2018 Mac Mini over a classic Mac Pro for web dev and I'd stick to macOS, on the off chance to end up going to React Native. I have nothing against Linux web devs but it could be my bias as a UX dev, that macOS is the correct option for anything front end.
@@dmug My primary computer is still my 2020 iMac i7. But since my primary coding right now is react, I always want to be able to jump around. I'll give the OCLP a try and see what it does.
@@JeremyBolanos Gotcha and I think I got confused about which computer you had
I have tried some browsers with Snow Leopard but the webpages don’t load properly and I cannot use the OS without a browser
Tried the ones listed? Some sites might not be usable.
@@dmug hello and thanks for your response however what's the best one for you to be used with Snow Leopard without any problem ?
Whichever I recommended in the video.
If you’re willing to use literally any version of OS X that is newer, 10.7 and up, chrome legacy is still being actively developed and pale moon was being developed until 2023 I believe.
Snow leopard really shouldn’t be used for the web in any serious capacity.
Yes I have tried all of them and more so they are not working well because you cannot load the website well and you don't have any chance to see anything in an good manner // Any idea in order to develop or modified a Browser to be used in Snow Leopard nowadays ?????
Ilove 10.6
Still use it for photoshop and imovie 6.5 HD , whith rosetta installed for Power pc Old software and quicktime 7 .
10.6 and 10.4 where the best Apple Systems , ease to use
I own , 5 Power pc imacs 2002 till 2005
And 4 intell imacs 10.6 2009 2010 that still can Run rosetta
Greetings from the netherlands
Damn, I've noticed some similarities in the appearance of MacOS and Linux.
Best OS ever. On tier with Windows XP and 7.
XP was terrible! It was the most insecure, hacked, virus attacked OS ever. They only plugged all the leaks in SP3, and by then it was super bloated. But yes, 7 was perfect.
nice segue to segueers
I miss these days.
Same here, I miss when the Mac was the most important Apple product and they weren't closed boxes.
The reason why Articfox has a different RUclips video player MIGHT be because it's based on Pale Moon, which itself is based on a older Firefox version.
Hmm that’s interesting, I remember the html5 player plugins for safari some time ago. Didn’t consider it was a conscience choice to force a different UI. I should have done inspect element, and looked deeper
I'm surprised there wasn't a version of opera that would work for you
I’m sure there’s an Opera version from the 2010s that was on snow leopard but they switched to Chromium around 2012-2014 and chromium dropped support for snow leopard before Firefox. So it’s Firefox or bust, with these old browsers, which is fine.
Opera 25 is the highest you can go on 10.6.8 and it did fairly well.
How to get OS X 10.6 x86?
best time to make music on logic 8 and 9 all my plugins just worked and stable.
Is it safe to use mountain lion in 2023? Just got a free iMac but want to be safe
Define safe: can’t easily surf the modern web and many years out of date for security. I wouldn’t do my taxes on it….
You should try a Linux distro on that desktop with the 2013 GPU you had in it.
Actually trying out a product before judging it? No way!!!
Anyway nice video x) 💀 Should‘ve been the first one. The only one
So Pretty!
I know there’s no ‘n’ in dylib, but me and my peers, as software developers for over 30 years, pronounced it “dinlib”
Ah, dammit, I did screw that up. My mind read it as "Dynamic Library" so probably where "dyn" came from.
Yes, I still do...
My favorite ❤
Hello who has a serial number for a 10.6.2 I lost mine ... Thx
Only the server edition has a serial number…
Snow Leopard will run forever.
where did you download Mac os snow leopard
I didn’t. I used eBay, I bought the dvd.
I think it would be interesting to see if those web browsers would let you go to your bank website... or if those high security websites would complain.
Yeah, I thought about testing against a wider variety of websites (not banking specifically), but there's only so long I can hold most viewers attention showing webpages loading. Once I got Spiderweb going, almost all websites (Sans github) seemed to work properly. I decided the most important thing was demonstrating you could get a "good enough" experience.
I'm guessing most people who'd use these are doing it for entertainment or possibly narrow use cases and not a primary computer, hence "good enough".
You shouldn't be doing banking online anyway/
Turn running a PowerPC Mac.
Use it on a Apple silicon pc
I'm not rich, so I don't have fancy GPUs or anything. I've never owned SSDs either. Everybody keeps swapping their hard disk drives to solid state drives.
I’m not rich either, the SSDs in my old Macs are only $25 or $35. They can be had at reasonable prices often.
Everything is great but no browser is working well with this system and users cannot use the system for this stuff /// Any idea developers ??????????
I have tried all browsers with this system ( none of them is working well ) IT'S ASHAMED !!!!!!!!!!
chromium legacy browser is out for osx snow leopard i think! u con basicilly run newest google chrome on old outdated macs.... i use it on my 2008 mac pro like urs i have two 256 gb ssds an 2 500gb hdd in it along with 20gb of ram an ad amd radeon hd 5700 1gb! i paid 60$ for my mac pro! and the only money i spent on it was the gpu! btw i still have the amd radeon 2600xt that came in it!
I think Chromium ends at 2016 for 10.6. Someone else mentioned Chromium Legacy but its 10.7 - 10.9.
can install office?
Sure, just have to grab an old version for it. Honestly, probably more usable than modern office with less bloat minus the convenience of cloud saves.
@@dmug cool, thanks, i have a macbook air 2008 a1237
I hate Sonoma so much! It’s so unreliable. So many functions just don’t work. It’s just not intuitive anymore. Things like tiling windows. It suddenly complains “this screen cant be tiled’. This never happened before. Always when something doesn’t work, they say “update” only to find a new problem. I hate this vicious cycle.
For 2000€ for a laptop I don’t accept this nonsense anymore.
I switched to Fedora 40 and am no lo longer stressed anymore when using my computer.
Also the switch to Catalina making half my library unusable is where it began, and I will never forgive apple for that. I have been a customer for 28 years. And after 10.6.8. Apple took a turn for the worse.
Snow leopard is not the most loved, Tiger is. Tiger can run on upgraded second gen power macs all the way up to 2007 MacBooks and Mac pros
funny enough without flash we could not even watch youtube videos on the wii browser
New software not support
I like leopard better cause it supports power pc based macs
I'll be having some Leopard and Sorbet Leopard content in the near future
You wil l bloww up over week9