🇬🇧 X99 Gaming Mini-PC Build Log - E5-2667 V4, RTX 4060
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- 🇬🇧 X99 Gaming Mini-PC Build Log - E5-2667 V4, RTX 4060
00:00 Welcome to Miyconst Hardware
00:37 Episode 1 - Components overview
03:47 Episode 1 - Power supply
06:25 Episode 2 - Assembly
15:38 Episode 3 - CPU cooler & cables
16:38 Episode 3 - Zion the cat
17:08 Episode 3 - Getting ready to drill
18:20 Episode 4 - Let's get drilling
22:26 Cinebench R23 & CPU temps
23:36 Gaming benchmarks
23:56 Assassin’s Creed Mirage
24:28 F1 23
24:53 Skull and Bones Beta
25:30 Counter-Strike 2
26:04 The Finals
26:43 Fortnite
27:18 More about power consumption
27:58 Noise levels
29:08 Build price
31:04 Rant about Nvidia GPUs
32:33 Rant about cooling
33:40 Qiyida X99-Q4 / QD4
34:34 The final thoughts
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2667v4 a really nice processor, I use it for a week already , with QD4, 32gb ram and 2070S - super satisfied.
I love your passion for the x99 platform. I've been following you for a while and over the past month I've seen all your videos from over the years. You made me want to get myself a x99 machine. Thank you for your passion and your professionalism.
Ciao from southern Italy.
Go for it! X99 boards and Xeons are down in price, a hobby project won't be expensive. Hej från Sverige!
love your channel and flipping x/79 and x/99 pc's...
Гарний огляд, теж цікавить ця платформа, успіху і нових ідей в наступних відео !
Great video as always, man..
Love how you can do drill too.. XD
Thanks a lot
Good Job , excelent build😊
I like how you modded that case, very good job!
Sick build, also good explanation and presentation.
I am glad you liked it.
Nice video MiyConst 😊 makes me wanna build one for an HTPC haha
Great video, thank you for sharing - I would also suggest using Jonsbo C6 case for the next mini PC project. I plan to use this exact case for my QNCT / A$Rock H310CM build - we shall see how it will go... Anyways keep up a good work, I am always waiting for your content.
Це фактично те що я думаю собі зібрати на протязі пів року, вагаюсь про баланс, дякую за відео
Якщо будеш складати, то бери адекватний корпус, з таким як в мене буде забагато клопоту.
Nice and Fun build dear Miyconst! Finally some love for mAtx form factor!
The only concern i have to say it's about the power consumption of that xeon E5 2667 v4, 135w are quite a lot for that kind of performance.
Since that cpu is based on broadwell xeons, ipc and frequency are not that far from the first/second gen zen/zen+ that are getting cheaper(finally!), so i would stick with some older ryzen for this kind of project.
But anyway, you did a great job and your build is well made!
Boa tarde, gostei muito! Muito obrigado e um abraço
Thank you so much for the video I was thinking of building such mini itx pcs but mini Itx hardware is so expensive.
nice video, as always!
I've just assembled a matx computer in one of the smallest case i've found on amazon, it is more like an itx form factor but it takes full height graphic cards... it is called "mars Gaming MC-1000" and it costs only 28 euros shipped... maybe try somenthing like that (it opens way more possibilities since it can take full matx boards...)
I did build a mini ITX pc with a Qiyida x99 MB and end it up pretty well. The key factor is the case as mine is one similar to a NR200 but much cheaper. I also used 2667 V4.
NR200 is a great chassis and even though it's not tiny it's small enough.
Cool project :) SGPC K59 would allow you to use regular (non-lp) two-slot gpu, and it also fits MATX mobo :)
Thanks for this great video. Nice project, seem a great combo! The 4060 is a nice card but a bit overpriced though..
Being the 1st gen on 14 nm cpus from intel, these Broadwell chips were more efficient than the previous generation but they are a far cry from what came after them in thermal efficiency.
Usually you have to sacrifice something for a small form factor pc and combining a gaming gpu with a high end workstation cpu was always going to be difficult to cool. While the 4060 was probably the best choice overall it was never going to be easy to cool, either.
I swear, small form factor pcs are cool for client stations but kind of lame for performance. In most cases I'd rather have a larger pc that's quieter and, going even further in that direction, I'm super compelled by extra-large pcs that cool really well(and quietly). I'm not sure if you ever saw that case that LTT had checked out that worked entirely without fans, it was honestly almost built out of huge aluminum slabs-style heatsinks.
To me the real dream is the desk pc, a pc built into your desk itself. Done right you should have all the space in the world for cooling.
Maybe it would be fun to make another pc out of the exact same CPU, MB and GPU to see how much easier it is too cool the thing. =)
Anything you do is basically great Mr M! I think here though, and please take this as if we were having a beer. Maybe while its cheap - X99 might not be best choice for trying to sqeeze into a small (and in this case, bad) case :)
X99 remains king of platforms that refuse to die :)
I totally agree with you. The "mini tax" is too high to justify the X99 savings. Yet, people would not stop bugging me with the idea so I delivered or at least tried to.
@@Miyconst The problem with popularity :P
Love the idea of combining an X99 board with a 4060 LP! Two better ventilated slim M-ATX cases that I've seen on AliExpress and Taobao that might be worth a look are the BUG-c1 and the SKTC A10 (both need Flex-ATX PSUs though). Outside of these, the Silverstone Milo ML11 (TFX PSU) might also be an option.
That is a nice processor very good performance for it money I have one a well pair with 3060 strong performance
nice
Keep an eye on Lenovo P520C motherboard I think the market is a little stale now, but I havee seen for as low as 45 USD. Uses LGA2066, also quad channel 2666 ram. Dual NVMe as well. But also a x8 and another x16, with Bifurcation support. Different options for processor, W-2140B seems reasonable, but W-2135 is also good. PSU there is available an FSP 500w for Intel NUC Extreme. You have to add yourself the 5v power and make an extension lead for motherboard. It is Flex ATX size. Seller will accept offer of 30 USD for the power supply (can also find from China modified already to modular PSU)
Probably you have missed this video: ruclips.net/video/tB1Qx5oU7zQ/видео.htmlsi=kbhws-Uf4XVh0mSh
Як радий, що твій молодий козак допомагає батькові творити контент
Він вже трохи українською починає балакати, не лише розуміти.
e5-v4 chips are seriously underated n with the new cheap machinist x99 boards,this xeons are really viable now as for a case I would go with a used OEM case they go for under $10 where I am even mini itx once,then I'd unleash the Dremel on it n have a budget custom pc
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I'm thinking about placing an E5-2667 V4 or better Xeon E5 1650 V4 next to the RTX A2000 @6GB in my itx Linux gaming build (also as compact as yours), currently the single core weak 2630V4 is still used. The mainboard is a MACHINIST X99-K9 and 4x8GB DDR4 ECC RAM, FSP FSP250-50FGBBI(M) 250W Flex-ATX, and cooler; Thermalright AXP120-X67 WHITE ARGB Low-Profile.
I think Xeon E5-2690V3 would be a better option, in terms of multicore performance is better, and in gaming is a little bit behind the 2667V4. In terms of price 2690V3 cost about 15€, and instead of that motherboard a machinist mr9a costs 52€.
Good to see modded chasis, i really like custom made builds. As always good content ❤
E5-2690 V3 is much more power hungry it would be hard to cool and the PSU may fail.
great review as usual, can you tell me the name of that pc case? is it available on Aliexpress? cheers.
It's Inter-Tech S-331.
awesome video as always. can you do a deep dive into AI and machine learning and put together a PC with the X79 or X99 platform for AI especially for big models with 40b or 70b parameters. how about using vega 56 or 64 with HBCC which we can give them infinite VRAM, which is great for big ML models. thank you 😊
I am not an ML / AI expert but one thing I can say for sure - the "infinite" Vega RAM is going to be utterly slow for any serious training, it's much cheaper and way more reasonable to pick old Nvidia Teslas.
@@Miyconst awesome thanks 👍
Ive been debating a budget build between a v4 x99 and an x299 workstation for video editing, media server, and light gaming machine. With the graphics card being an RX6600 (already purchased), which platform would you recommend?
AM4 or LGA 1700 I would recommend.
Hello, what motherboard do you recommend for E5 2620v3? A friend wants the cpu and i don’t know what to recommend to him considering that cpu requires a good vrm
It's so enjoyable watching MyConst.😂 It's difficult to picture a world without this Channel. I was really curious as to how he was gonna make this work in a Mini-PC. ❤
Edit: What's the Music playing at 16:04.😮 It's so beautiful.😍
Well.. I can't say that I made it work.. so there might be a continuation.
wait... WE HAVE THE SAME TV FURNITURE! the thingy with tinted glass pannels under your display when testing the rig hehe :b (i hated these glass pannels tbh when i tried to put a tiny NAS inside it was so noisy vibrating)
Hah! I picked this TV bench several years ago when a neighbor tried to throw it away, it's not amazing but it works and I can't make myself throw something that works just fine for me.
@@Miyconst yeah I got mine from a neighbor leaving the apartment, after removing the glass pannels it now does a great job as printer table and misc storage ! thinking about re-using the glass pannels on smth else 🤔
Hi man!!! Nice vídeo. Di You know if i can use huananzhi qd4 BIOS with TU in this motherboard?
Yes, you can, if you have a V3 CPU, of course.
I've been watching lot of your videos and other channels, and I havent seen much about the E5-2697A V4. Would you recommend the 2667 over the 2697A? Or what CPU would you recommend for gaming paired with a 2080ti, i dont mind paying a little extra for more performance
Then I would go with i5-12400, Ryzen 5600, or i3-12100.
@@Miyconst lol thank you for the more sane options, but what would you recommend if any with these x99 boards
@@InsurancePlz I always say that AliExpress is a lottery, no matter how you slice it, thus I don't recommend it, I only provide info about their offers so people can pick the least evil ones. Both E5-2667 V4 and E5-2697A V4 will be fine with RTX 2080 Ti, in some games you get CPU bottleneck, in others GPU bottleneck, if the price is the same, I pick E5-2697A V4.
@@Miyconst thanks again. I like a little gamble. I already have a main rig with more sensible parts. I just wanted to try my hand at one of these AliExpress builds. 2697A it will be then. Maybe flip the PC or give it to a relative.
Do you know if any of these boards you've been testing support lower CPU C-States? I'm interested in grabbing one of these older Xeons to build into a home server setup. Mostly to run proxmox with some Windows VMs. It's either this or maybe try one of those erying ES boards.
Why do you want any of these questionable solutions instead of an AM4 board with a Ryzen CPU?
@@Miyconst Try something different, they'd be more than fast enough for the tasks. It can be difficult to find secondhand motherboards for good prices. Sure I could get an R5 2600 for $50, the board may be more expensive though. I have an i7-3770k on an AliExpress motherboard, it won't go below C3 and seems to hover around 42-45w at the wall.
I'm sure a pair of N100 systems might offer comparable performance at a lower TDP, far higher price.
I do also need to build a dirt-cheap system for my workshop as well. That one is easier, just needs to score above 4000 in multi-core score on CPU-Z validator, GTX 1060 and above.
I've found your videos on these combos quite enjoyable, just wanted to hop in on the fun while the chips were still plentiful :)
Lookin' good Kostiantyn! That shirt looks good on you.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Hello, I hope this comment finds you well, I want to make a side machine for server/vm purposes that's not too expensive, I have an x99 board lying around that is a killsre v205, I've gotten turbo unlock working on it since all v201 settings work on it, but afaik the vrm's are not really good for high core high clock cpu's, so I was wondering if a 2630 v3 would require good vrm's or not for the TU (since it has a relatively low power consumption and not many cores). If not which cpu would be good for TU or is it better to go with a high base clock with no TU?
To explain the use case further, it's not gaming vm's, it's little vm's for single tasks being isolated from each other, which is why I don't really care about the core count that much, but ideally the clocks are fast enough to get the tasks done without drowning or stalling because they take too long, which is why I focus on high clock speeds via turbo unlock or base clocks, that's the ideal scenario.
Hola necesito ayuda tengo una qiyida x99 e5-a99 quiero saber como puedo hacer overclock a mi e5 1660v4
1660 V4 is not overclockable
Nice build. But that PSU would keep me awake at night. Proper 80 Plus ratings don't always mean great quality, but at least it implements standards. Standards these made up chinese ratings don't follow 100%.
The PSU is indeed a big question here but I couldn't find anything else reasonably priced with an 8-pin PCI-E power connector.
Me ha gustado mucho el video, los 2 agujeros de las tapas se pueden cubrir con una bonita malla metalica o similar , pero el Xeon E5 2667 v4 trabaja a 3,200Mhz y el Turbo a 3,600Mhz, y en las pruebas trabaja solamente a 3,492 Mhz.
En unos días me llega una placa MSI X99A sli Plus con un Intel core i7-5820K , el rendimiento a dia de hoy es bastante pobre y quiero actualizarlo con un Xeon , cual me recomendarías para juegos basicamente ?
He visto a buen precio el e5-2667 v3 o el E5-1650 v3 o tal vez otro gastando un poco mas? Muchas gracias.
Maybe you don't understand how Turbo Boost works with Intel CPUs. The 3.6 GHz speed is only available when one and only one CPU core is used.
Si entiendo como funciona, creia que se estaba usando el Hack de Turbo boos, alguna recomendacion para actualizar el i7-5820k?t @@Miyconst
él hizo un video sobre procesadores xeon hace poco y el mejor de todos era el e5 2690v4.@@joseensenat8296
El mejor
Xeon según él para gaming y también productividad es el e5 2690v4@@joseensenat8296
El mejor xeon para actualizar es el E5 2690 v4 según él, hizo un video comparando diferentes xeones.@@joseensenat8296
we need an in-depth review of the 12 core processor, zion the cat
Can you suggest some benchmarks? 😸😸
Will you film any review for this MB??
Probably yes, a short one, there is not much to tell.
between E5 2667 v4 and E5 1660 v4 , which will be good cpu for gaming ???
Please watch this video: ruclips.net/video/2PoNkYCfOcI/видео.htmlsi=ssyYPaC612pTBwVb
Is there any plans to test the cheapest x99 motherboard Zsus x99 p4 by any chance? I really would like Turbo Boost unlock for it
So far I do not have such plans.
I ran into an issue with smart fan on a Chinese X99 board. Fan speed settings in bios would not apply. I was using an aliexpress dual tower cpu cooler, Fans are 4pin. Turned out it was the fans fault, I swapped the fan by an Arctic PWM fan and fan speed settings would apply. Maybe the wiring of the China fan was faulty.
Yeah, you can expect basically anything from China.
@@Miyconst now I know 😁 it's a pitty that Chinese don't care, same thing with these unfinished bioses. At least I learned the basics in how to modify a bios and where to get a proper one.
Great content by the way👍
I had this issue too. I had opened the dispute, and got 50% money back.
They had connected 3 fans (4-pin plug) in parallel (all 4 wires!), but even when I cut off two control wires, the remaining fan had no PWM.
@@blackbirdestI bought the 2 fan version and I also cut the control wire of the second fan, but no improvement. After all this fuck around and find out, I must admit that I like the dubble tower cooler itself, it's cooling performance is fine. Next time I will buy the one fan version and replace the fan by a proper PWM fan 🤔
Hello, I want to build a X99 system for multicore performances mostly. Is there any V3 or V4 cpus that can compete with an all core turbo E5 2696v3?
Not really, E5-2696 V3 with TBU is one of the best but if you need strong performance - go the AM4 route and pick a used R9 3900/3950 or even R7 3700/3800.
@@Miyconst Thanks, actually used 3950X or other high end 3000 cpus(+mobo) are more expensive than this 2696v3s and I need a lot of ram (64GB) too, so cheap DDR3 ram is also a plus. Can you recommend a good motherboard with TBU bios for 2696V3 except X99 TF/F8?
Камера на голові це дуже погана якість, вск відео трясеться, особливо на прискоренному. Краще використовуй штатив. Кабелі я б відрізав взагалі лишні, і можливо навіть би скоротив 8пін кабель удвічі для менших втрат по кабелю
Does the onboard SATA slow down for sustained writes?
What do you mean by onboard SATA? There are no onboard SATA drives in this build.
I meant to ask if you tested the SATA performance, my QD4 SATA randomly slows to a crawl and I'm trying to find a solution
Hey man what is the best 30 to 50 dollars x99 mobo from aliexpress i can buy for my e5 2650 v4? i want it for gaming and little bit of editing videos
Take a look at X99-PR9: ruclips.net/video/j58Fpm0uetI/видео.htmlsi=3Wq8hdbM4NuECL_j
@@Miyconsti’ve found mr9a v1 for the same price, is it better?
Was thinking of an itx build and I saw Jingsha has an itx mobo H110.... i wonder.
Please stay away from it.
@@Miyconst Any suggestion for a 6th 7th gen itx mobo?
Like your channel. Would be great to see games where Xeon is bottlenecking and you switch on Frame Generation on RTX 4th gen. There would be a pleasant surprise... Slava Ukraine.
The 2667 is pcie 3.0, how much performance loss do you think the 4060 receives not running in pcie 4.0? 5-10%
The loss is very minimal, up to 5% in the worst cases.
What would price a PC for sale with a China x99, xeon 2673 v3 (12 core) TBU, 16GB, GTX 1070, 256GB SSD?
I don't know, really depends on what other components are and how good of a deal you get for a second hand GTX 1070.
Aliexpress keeps coming up with weird motherboards and I never get tired of it.
What is the name of the case of that PC?
ruclips.net/user/shortsr4otVmRc8rU?si=qaeuieGTwZR9gIzk
Question, I’ve heard that the Chinese motherboards from aliexpress wont let you play games that require anticheat. Is the true or false?
It is true and false at the same time. Older platforms that don't support Windows 11 are not compatible with some Anticheats software and it doesn't matter if the motherboard is Chinese or not.
Hello, I bought this board on Aliexpress, the seller does not respond to me and I bought an e5 1660 v4 and I want to overclock it, but I don't know how because I can't find the bios mod for this board and I can't do it using Intel Xtreme Utility either. I would appreciate your help.
It's not possible to overclock V4 Xeons.
2667 v4 better than 2697a v4 ? And HT on or off on 2697
For gaming
Please watch this video: ruclips.net/video/2PoNkYCfOcI/видео.html
@@Miyconst thank you watched it already about 1 hour ago actually 😂
Так там блок живлення коштує більше ніж сама сборка)
Хм, ти секцію з цінами бачив?
Too bad the whole xeon setup is priced almost the same as h610m and used 12400f in my country
Yup.. you pay extra for the mini size.
Wish windows 11 would have support for these cpus. I have a hp z420 with a Xeon 1650 and I’ll be doomed next year when windows 10 support ends.
No support does not mean that it will stop working. You can still keep using it as is.
@@Miyconstuntil driver support is dropped and direct x support ceases. 😢
That's gonna take a few more years.
bro how a 350w psu can handle these
Why not? Did you see the power consumption readings from the wall?
А українська версія огляду буде?
Для цього відео не буде. Неймовірно складно робити дві версії коли йде складання ПК, розпаковка чи подібне, що виконується один раз.
@@Miyconst 😐👍
@@Miyconst не обов‘язково ж робити збірку з нуля та все інше. Можна було б просто зробити огляд, розказати про залізо та тести.
Це як я бачу. Але, справа ваша
Але 920 гривень + коіни за материнку це вау
should be 550w 😅😅
Check the 550 Watts TFX PSU prices. 😬
PS is most efficient when power consumption is ~ >50%.
А де україномовна версія?
Для цього відео її не буде. Неймовірно складно робити дві версії коли йде складання ПК, розпаковка чи подібне, що виконується один раз.
@@Miyconst а якщо просто переозвучити наявну версію?
Зсередини кришки тре було свердлити
В чому різниця?
@@Miyconst Вийшло б охайніше
Нажаль ні, якщо свердлити з середини то при виході з іншої сторони фарба сколюється.
Друже , підскажи буть добрий , як ти преркладаєш свої віде, буду дуже вдячний !
Що ти має на увазі "перекладаю"? З якої мови на яку?
@@Miyconst в тебе однакові ролики на укр та англ. Це нейроморежа якась?
Ну, наш мозок це біологічна нейронна мережа, тому можна і так рахувати. 😃 Я самостійно роблю дві версії.
я свого часу теж грався з SFF збірками, але зрозумів що то дурня, фізику не обманеш, занадто мало місця для охолождення і головне всі компоненти набагато дорожчі. Компактний мАТХ корпус не набагато більше місця займає, і знімаються більшість проблем. А взагалі норм АТХ корпус найкраще.. комп можна сховати і під столом, зате дешева збірка і не перегрівається
Згоден на всі 100%.
But can it handle AAAA game? lol RIP Ubisoft
😂😂😂
Ubisoft with their 4xA excuse are delusional, I don't think Skull and Bones will be a success.
power suply.. eppic fail
Do you have any better suggestions?
lol stop useless counter strike and fornite bench, use HELLDIVERS 2 for cpu !!!
Do you know if the game has a built-in benchmark or replay function?
when will this man smile
Maybe when ruzzians get the duck out of Ukraine and stop the genocide.