The biggest problems of the fanbases in my opinion: -Korean fanbase: Being overly possessive of their idols -International fanbase: Jumping on hate accusations way too easily Overall there are pros and cons in both, and I really wish we could get some concerts here in Eastern Europe too *cries*
Another thing that i see as a problem in fanbases: -Kfans: hate to see idols dating and make huge useless scandals over stuff like that. -International fans: love to see idols dating but make a lot of ships and make idols uncomfortable with each other
Also another problem with the Korean fandom is that they can be VERY xenophobic towards other East Asian idols and even more racist towards non East Asian idols. Not all of them, sure, but a very large portion of them are. Sure, they can tolerate and even love a foreign idol as long as they keep their mouths shut and don't do anything to offend the Korean public, but the moment they do something wrong the Korean fanbase is very quick to turn on them. Remember how they bullied (G)I-dle's Shuhua when she mispronounced some Korean words on performances during Hann era? Or how they harrassed Sana for celebrating her country's new era? Or how they hated Yiren for not kneeling in front of her fans because it goes against her culture? Or how Lisa regularly gets called racial slurs on Korean social media platforms simply because she's the most popular Blackpink member overseas?
international fans move so freaking weird when accusations are raised and it really bothers me because most of the time it’s just lost in translation and they don’t get it because they’re not from the culture and don’t speak the language 🙄 they’re also so quick to take offense for their idols when really nothing offensive was said or done in the first place lmao y’all just a little silly sometimes
Not gonna lie as an international fan I feel like we only exist when they need votes or sales or Need to be high on the billboard becuse all of a sudden we get attention than when it's done with we kinda get ignored and than we get a lot of crap from korean fans whenever we ask for simple things like say hi in English or they dont release shows with subtitles and when we speak up we get yelled at like "how dare you be rude to them they don't need subtitles you learn korian if you want to watch or they dont need to say anything to you) and it is possible to do live subtitles when on live they just don't care too.
Same.I can totally understand how annoying it must be to get thousands of comments telling you to do things that you have expressed inabilily to do .However some fan service for international fans would be certainly appreciated (which i feel os dufficult due to frequent rude experiences idols have on international interviews or events).I also feel kinda sad how when me personally as an international fan gets happy when idols talk about my country or culture and people call me a "crazy fan" . I feel that many international fans face hardships that are often not talked about or is it just me ?
And I don't understand why it's called whining when we want subtitles since a lot of programs in Korean also have Korean subtitles, so why can't we have subtitles in other languages too
I get where you’re coming from but that’s a huge double standard. like you don’t see asians constantly on western artists’ asses for not speaking our native languages. plus, that’s how international kpop fans lived before the whole breakthrough of the kpop scene into western media. They learned the language and generous fans even made English subs for other international fans to enjoy. And if you say it isn’t fair since english is a language like half of the world knows, please think about why it is that way. Society has always been so western centric, here in Asia we’re forced to grow up learning our native language/s AND English especially now in the most recent few decades. It’s a minor inconvenience for y’all at most to just wait for other fans to sub the content you wanna watch so… 🤷♀️
I'm glad you brought up the multi-stan. International fans seem to be a lot more comfortable staning many groups but Korean fans pour everything into one group, almost like an obsession, it's one of the reasons you will see some groups that are just super popular in Korea but then these smaller groups just don't seem to be able to get a solid Korean fanbase because they are already stanning another group. I also think with the way the music industry is in the west is why international fans are a lot more accepting of things that Korean fans would find unacceptable because the scandals we deal with in western music ... LOL, some of it is pretty crazy. The whole bullying scandals as well. Things idols did as kids can ruin their careers. It's crazy. I don't see why growing up and making mistakes and learning from them is a bad thing. It boggles my mind. DUI though, is a big NONO for everyone I think. If someone is accepting of that then I dunno ... need your head checked.
Hi,happy new year am an international fan..from Rwanda.... I recently, like couple 4 months ago got into an online fight with an army bse am an army myself but I said monstax x ,has the best English album....it became a huge ,huge fight.🤣🤣🤣I asked her ( the person who was onto me) wht is wrong with being an army but also stanning other groups, she said I can't multi stan bse real fans don't do that....I flipped her off until she got mad that am Army and A monbebe
@@preciouslyunhinged Good on ya if I were I'll shut my mouth beside there is nothing wrong stanning other group u did well plus I am also a multikpop group because I Stan all group equally and fairly❤️❤️❤️
@@Mkayéx totally cause I understand how hard they all work just to able to achieve thier dream and I can also relate to them I have seen with my own two eyes the passion and dedication that all this group have done whether is Bts or Blackpink or any other group I have seen how serious they are with thier career that is something that most of the Korean public don't see in them, from my own perspective I don't hate any group whether I know them or not or whether I listen to thier song or not what i see is if thier is no passion thier won't be good music cause talents comes with passion and determination..I have Stan so many and I mean many group some I don't even listen to thier song but that doesn't mean I hate them I just feel like I should support them even if I don't listen to thier songs or watch any of their show my respect and support for them are pretty high and idc what other people think about them I just love them not because of thier music or talent but because I see them as human who is working hard to make thier family proud...I wish all of those groups whether they are famous or not the best of luck and I and many international fan will support them with thier heart fully cause as a kpop fan it is our duty to protect and to support those idols from haters cause I see how many idols and groups lost thier live due to haters and many groups disbanding and all those allegations against them I know that my comment is very long but I just want to let out what I feel cause I have been thinking alot about what is happening in the kpop industry..there are so many things that is happening in the kpop industry that I feel like what is going with Korea..what happen to Korea that I use to know I started to feel like the Korean people have no sense of dignity and they should be ashame of themselves..I have seen so many scandals that is related to bullying and dating and so many more and the reaction of the Korean public disgust me the most...back when I use to be a rookie fan I have no idea whatsoever about Korea and kpop all I know is how beautiful thier country are and thier music but as I become older and diving deep into kpop I started to feel that Korea people have changed alot by becoming so obsessed with their idol in the way they became sasaeang fans, creating scandals just to destroy the idols career and so many more..as a international fan I feel like things has changed over the past couple of years since I became a kpop fan..as I listen to many news about what is happening in the kpop industry has break my heart into million pieces and I can't help but cry..what happen to the good old days where everyone was happy and cheering 😭😭😭💔
Something interesting I've observed with Korean fans is something I've noticed about Japanese idol fans, too: they are RARELY multistans. Being a dedicated fan of multiple groups with multiple biases is looked down upon there, while overseas, this is common and actually encouraged, with people who have a super long list of groups they stan being considered impressive and experienced fans and people who are only into one or two groups being considered newbies or "baby" fans, at least from what I've observed in my experience. In Korea or Japan, if you change biases or start to stan another group besides your ult group, that's considered betraying your bias (or your oshi in Japan). In a western country (I'll use America as an example), your average kpop fan will have at least five different groups they're dedicated to and then some other groups they like but not as much. This is probably part of why nugu groups tend to stay nugu: because Korean fans refuse to put lots of effort into stanning a group of new rookies from a small company when they're already stanning a popular group from a big company. Also, Korean kpop fans and Japanese jpop fans (I'm making this comparison continually because I notice the same behaviors in both fandoms) are more likely to be solo stans than overseas fans are. In the English-speaking kpop online community, being a solo stan (having one bias that you favor over the other members and you exclusively follow that member without giving as much attention to the other members) is looked down on and seen as a sign of a toxic fan, but this is more common among Korean and Japanese idol fans. The opinion of overseas fans on this tends to be that it's OK to have a bias but not at the expense of ignoring or hating the other group members. Mostly I think international fans tend to be way more accepting and less harsh than Korean fans, but that's mainly because of the cultural differences in how we're raised and how we see celebrities, and just music culture in general. What's frustrating is that sometimes, Korean fans don't see that and expect so much more from international fans and they don't accept us as part of the fandom. I remember an incident with one kpop group's fandom I'm in where a Korean fan took to Twitter to express their anger at how international fans weren't streaming enough and how they were being lazy and obviously didn't care about the group enough, and I think that really highlighted a huge difference in how different cultures see celebrities and music. In Korea and some other Asian countries (specifically Japan), you give your life to your idol. In America and other western countries, your life and your idol are two different things and you prioritize your studies, your family, your mental health, etc. over a singer you don't even know. The priorities are just different. Plus, being an international, non-Korean-speaking fan is hard, and sometimes I get the feeling (and I know other international fans do, too) that Korean fans don't understand and appreciate that because they take so much for granted. They get to go to fansigns, music show performances, concerts, etc. often, and buying albums and merch is easier and cheaper for them. Also, they don't need subtitles because Korean is their mother tongue. However, for many of us overseas fans, this isn't the case. It's a once-in-a-lifetime chance to go to a concert, and we have to travel to another, more major city to do it most of the time. Forget going to a fansign or other event. We often get one chance to even breathe the same air as the group we stan. Overseas shipping for albums and other merch is expensive, and half the time we're broke. And we don't all have the time or motivation to learn Korean. Lots of people don't even speak English, so being able to understand English subtitles isn't always super easy for everyone. Some people are already learning another language or simply don't have the time to learn another alphabet and language, and for some people, kpop is just some music they like to listen to and isn't their main fandom, so they don't have the motivation to learn a WHOLE NEW LANGUAGE. We're doing what we can with what we have and I hope more Korean fans will come to see that and appreciate it.
I agree kfans (chinese, korean and Japanese fans in general) can be a bit harsh but you’re also not recognizing a huge fact that’s been true since before kpop even got recognized in the international market: it’s their loyalty and “obsession” with these groups and members they solo stan that drives a huge part of their career. Idk if you’re aware but a lot of idols and groups get gigs, sponsorships, endorsements, etc. BECAUSE of the kfans and their fan projects. Even just birthday ads go insane for idols in Asian countries like fanbases collect hundreds of thousands just for that single day alone. Kinda hard to do if you’re doing it for multiple groups but that’s just the culture of how things are in the east asian entertainment industry.
@@Mkayéx I mean I was just stating the facts of the matter, didn’t say it was a positive or negative thing. Just a reality you have to accept since this has always been the culture of the entertainment industry in korea
@@Mkayéx Just want to point out that English is a more widely spoken language than Korean so that might explain why some Western artists are not subtitling videos or speaking in other languages. It's more likely that the person watching the video already knows some English. On the other hand I have seen some Western Celebrities speaking other languages in interviews. It generally depends on the artist and their background.
I think in Japan there is a dichotomy between jpop singers and idols (with idol culture), whereas in Korea all kpop singers seem to be idols? Correct me if wrong, I'm more familiar with Japan than Korea
@@norabeckwith6893 The thing is, and I’m not saying it’s all Kpop idols, there have been multiple instances of idols using a culturally significant object/song or any other manifestation of a culture or religion and use it as a prop or a way of entertainment. Is it just kpop idols that do this? Of course not! However, there are compilations of many idols doing offensive things that could have them called racist if not for the fact that a huge card that defends them is the fact that Koreans are not always aware of how insensitive their actions can be because of their lack of exposure to these issues. Basically, not all kpop idols are racist but you can understand where their (the accuser’s) train of thought comes from. I don’t find it cool at all to put kpop idols under the category of being racists just to be clear if the comment didn’t make it obvious enough, but I wanted to put my input on this topic, so I’m sorry if any of this was bothersome 😅
@@norabeckwith6893 Personally, when I’m made aware of any western celebrity drama I do see huge amounts of backlash and I feel like they are more held responsible for their actions because topics like racism are severely discussed among the west and so western celebrities have no excuse for any racial insensitivity as they’re expected to know that already. I do agree that some fans tend to quickly forget a western celebrity’s scandal/controversy or at-least always try to justify their actions when it’s clear as day that those actions can’t be pardoned by the fans that were unaffected by the celebrity’s actions and instead that right should be given to the community that was ACTUALLY affected. Just like Kanye West’s recent controversy for his antisemitic comments that completely devastated his fans that were Jews yet that were trying to be justified by fans of his that have the popular excuse of “-but he did graduation…” Sadly, the only reason I can think of off of the top off my head as to why western celebrities have their controversies forgotten very quickly is because it is very common nowadays for a celebrity to be outed as racist or any other controversial affiliation in western countries.
Idols are afraid of Knets whereas they can expressed themselves freely with international fans. With international fans, they're like a bird freed from their cage. Knets are possessive and toxic for no reason.
More like ifans are hypocrites and have normalised bad things... i-fans are sensitive when it's comes to cultural appropriation..as it's part of their culture... But they have normalised alcohol,drugs... but it's a big deal for asian or korea...
@@yoihenneetwala5822 lol,,is it wrong to have the wish to stan good Human ?? It's IDOLS WHO FOOLS THE PUBLIC.. west have normalized being bad or alcoholic or druggie...they can only cry about cultural appropriation
They don’t because if they did they’d be allowed to date like the normal human they are But these fans are crazy obsessed delulus who think they will date their favourite idols when they won’t Real fans let them date marry and have families not hate on whoever they’re with
@@Babiemelo as long as idols play along with kfans then they are good but about international fans I would they are more crazy like super crazy about idols
@@forever5745 No we’re not sorry but I’ve seen many out here give them space At least we let them date like real fans K fans freak when they date like psycho obsessed delulus they’re allowed to date they’re human like the rest of us humans are social creatures and we long for love and connection and most fans who freak at them are little teenagers freaking at ADULTS for dating they will NEVER date their idols Real fans let them date fake fans hate
I'm just glad they consider all of us "Internationals" fans. I'm glad when they are able to tour outside their country. I'm glad that we can buy their music and support their talent. I'm glad that their music can bring light in such dark times to many people. A good fun song can bring joy to anyone who is able to move their hips. Whether fans are just listening in their car, listening while cleaning their house, listening perhaps at their job, listening during parties and get togethers....these groups and their music is needed across the globe. I can't love just one group only, because all of these groups work so hard to put out great music that makes my day brighter, it makes my heart sing with them...and I am proud to consider myself their fan...Boy groups, girl groups...mixed....it does not matter as long as this music never dies or fades away. Love and Light!! :)
Lets just remember that often we see the worst side of both fandoms because the worst people are the loudest people, even if they are only a small fraction of kpop fans. There were many years where I just listened to kpop happily without engaging in fandom culture at all Let's also all try to remember that in-group bias exists and not everyone in a group outside of ours is terrible.
I know korea takes bullying seriously. And i just seen recently where supposed kfans are attacking hyunjin from stray kids, once again, for a bullying scandal that happened years ago and has been resolved ever since because of the new show “the glory” on netflix. Like from what was proven is that hyunjin and another student got into an altercation because the other student was making fun of his dog. But that was all that happened. And i think it was said to have happened when he was in middle school. Like that was a fight between two students, not bullying. Like netizens need to understand the difference between when something is actually bullying versus just a little fight. And the worst part is that hyunjin has apologized numerous times over it. Even though in my opinion, I don’t think he needed to as he was the one being provoked and it was nowhere near bullying.
@@demonslayer4951 lol they r not my bf or gf they r idols singing performing n coming on variety shows for millions of fans. How is he cheating on me when he owes nothing to me. Instead of acting as fans people start acting like they r actually their gf/bf and it's ur problem not theirs
Nothing is wrong with being a fan of just one group, that's how I started. I only started liking other groups when my favorite group became older and more inactive, but that doesn't mean I stopped being a fan of them. I love so many groups now and I'm happy being this type of fan. Idk why we gotta have fanwars about the dumbest things. People just need to be more level-headed and understanding.
The Korean K-pop fans get really obsessed sensitive and angry when idols date because they think the idol doesn't care/love them anymore if they date. According to them, the idol is allowed to love only the fans. Those fans are selfish and only love the idol until the the idol starts dating. Those aren't real fans
😍girlie I can send u thousands of ss from I fans sending death threats, Hate , to the idols 😘 bcz there are dating rumor 😍let's not forget how I fans make one of the most delusional ffs 😳also yall are the one who edit rumor couple and falsely spread them .🥺
That’s Why I hate a concept of Idol Belong to the Fans which is still etched deeply in KNets Fandom It’s Batshit Insane to cancel an idol over their individual right for dating or married
I would say that is not the main reason tho. Well idk but minimum not the only one. Bc I've seen that they feel like lied to? And maybe betrayed, when they are dating in secret yet at the same time flirting or such with the fans. So it feels like being played with. I understand their feelings tbh, and many blame the fans but I would say the main culprits are the companies for making them do and act a certain way, creating those para social relationships and obsession, and worse not doing anything to change it bc it was on purpose and they want the money.. Anyways, but yes no matter how they feel it's no justification to throw hate and whatever, keep it to yourself or your friends and later decide if you are going to support them or not when you are calmed down.. Second reason I read, it's that they don't consider it professional, and they don't think they should date bc then they wouldn't concentrate on their job, specially since first years are crucial. Also that they should keep their private life private, they don't mind but don't want to know, and if they do reveal it, it should be enough years after and when the couple is serious when they dated more than 2 or 3 years, because, and that's a big reason, it would affect the group. And fans (nor the company), want that. And it is the truth bc firstly romantic and/ or se,ual attraction is a big component on stanning someone and therefore the group, so if it comes up they are dating, either they feel jealous or not the same and stop stanning, or even if they don't mind(and I've seen this a lot with Dawn kfans for example), they know or assume it's going to be an scandal and will affect the group reputation and popularity, and it happened, but mainly bc of cube that kicked them out (bc they broke the trust with the company they said lol) when fans actually didn't want that. And I want to add a third point, and that is that probably the hate comments are from antis from the group or even a member from the group they stan, and the GP, but not the actual fandom..And then it's sheep mentality and bc they think others think that when they don't and issue gets bigger than it would, etc. 🙃
@@nuvwaa6074 yes I’m sure iFans do that too, but it’s more embedded in Korean culture, therefore kfans do it more often. The whole idea of kpop idols is to have a parasocial relationship with them. That means that the fans are top priority. The idols often do romantic things for them and they are made to seem as if they’re always single so that they’re available for the fans, which is simply not true. You’d have to be out of your mind to think that you have a chance with your fave idol.
I don't really see a equal balance here. Mainly because if for some reason the kpop hype dies down & international fans start to go away, they need their kfans. So their main priority will always be them. Plus it's their home of course they'll always prioritize them more, it's easier, more familiar & beneficial in the long run. It does suck for international fans but it is what is but we should be glad we get what we do & they include us & are trying for us.
There's no kpop hype internationally though. It's only one group that has the number outside of Asian countries. That is what kpoppies cannot grasp. So their domestic fanbases are the only ones most idols need.
@@pennybleta9721 You're wrong. Kpop has grown a lot outside of Asia and it's not just one group. If you look at many groups that are extremely popular right now it's because their fans are international, not just Asia. Plus it's like anime anyway the who like it like it, not everyone gets but it's still extremely popular internationally.
@@minimochi2206 Whatever you say. Reality and actual numbers say otherwise. Only kpoppies are delusional and brainwashed to believe these nonsense. All the media play has affected your brain.
International fans are only important to them when it comes to buying their products other than that they don't care. That's why I think that only streaming their song is more than enough.
If people start treating their parents and family with the same respect and love they show to these idol who don't even care about there existence, the world would be 100 times better and happy place
As an international fan, ngl for certain idols sometimes it feels like we aren't part of the fandom in a way. I feel like we are only acknowledged when it comes to international or worldwide voting. Also some Korean fans aren't really accepting of international fans and don't consider them as part of the fandom. An example of this is when international fans are asking for subtitles in a video and some Korean fans would say that we should learn Korean instead of always asking for subtitles. And there are a lot of differences between Korean and international fans. International fans are more open and accepting of the idols doing things that most Korean stans will find unacceptable. Another thing is Korean fans are overly possessive of the idols, treat them like gods, and like them too much that it starts to look like an obsession, unlike international fans who treat idols like normal people they idolize, they are fine with their idols dating and support them unless there is actually something wrong with the relationship. Most international fans also prioritize their life more than the idols. The downside to international fans is that whenever there is an issue some of them will come to a conclusion too quickly without actually double checking the accusations. Unlike Korean fans who will analyze every sentence and picture before coming to a conclusion. Also the multi-stan thing international fans are most likely fans of multiple groups while Korean fans are really dedicated to only one group. That's why a lot of groups especially new groups are super popular international but barely have Korean fans because a lot of them are already part of another fandom. Sometimes though it's the knets that is really toxic and not the fandom itself.
What I know from stanning kpop for the longest time is that, International fans love cancelling every idol and threatening them and Korean fans are way too obsessive and disrespectful to idols online and in person.
International fans are most important as K-pop Artists want to break the global market, building up an international fanbase is necessary for that success. K- fans are conservative and quick to condemn their idols over the slightest thing, international fans are the most open & understanding, we don't cancel Artists, we are most supportive, we treat them like the normal human beings that they are 🇬🇧🌍💜❤️
I beg to differ. Having a solid fanbase in your country is far important I’d say. The international fans tend to move on from the fandom but kfans are mostly fans for life. And it gives them more opportunities to have a good solo career later once the group disbands. And have brand deals and endorsements. And cancel culture is pretty bad among international fans too.
i would disagree that international fans 'don't cancel Artists', there are plenty of times that international fans have cancelled idols over things they've said or done. And I would definitly disagree that international fans treat idols like normal people - i wouldn't see people making ship edits and woobifying normal poeple. We treat them more like celebrities that we think are our best friends.
Global market is one thing but if they want to have long lasting career in the future, they have to have solid path in SK and kfans are the one who gave them that. Dont forget that once time passed, idols will have less overseas activities and focus their career back in SK. Im an interFan myself but i have to acknowledge kFan do have bigger portion in idols life. Most of idols loyal fans even support them back since trainee era and that is something interfans could rarely do
@@deanxzayn1408 A career as a kpop artist isn't one of longevity in the first place. Most groups barely last 7 years, and it's not too common for them to resign contracts for another seven years. Not to mention, K fans are much more quick to TURN on their idols over things that shouldn't even be their business in the first place. And at the end of the day, it comes down to MONEY, and who brings in more of that?? yeah.
If you manage to "take over" the korean market the group/artist will be just fine. You can look at TWICE, they're not huge overseas but they managed to be the #1 k-pop group in Japan and the albums sold there are comparable to the ones of the artists who are more popular in the states or uk. There's also dreamcatcher who are not doing incredibly well in the korean market but oversees are actually doing alright (i believe most of their fans are international or a huge chunk of it at least). There's also a difference between the fans. Korean fans are more strict etc. whilst international fans just listen to the music and support without caring (most of them) about the "controversies" and what "they are supposed to do as an idol or not". International fans are more laid back, don't cancel or take part in the "fan wars" (again, most of them). They also view the members very differently than the korean fans. I don't know why k-pop hasn't branched out into europe via tour. I feel like the first group that will go in most of europe's capitals will gain a lot of fans in that region.
Imagine feeling betrayed, because an Idol told his fans he loved them, when he had a girlfriend... Bruh, how someone cannot see the difference between love towards fans and girlfriend. This is making me maad, sorry
I always find in interesting that Australian fans are never mentioned. We have a large Korean community due to the proximity. We have gotten into Kpop through friends and the easy availability of merch and albums. They’re pretty much our neighbours. But no one seems to put us into the equation.
are you not part of international fans? I don’t think anyone ever exclusively mentioned American fans or whatever so I don’t understand why you expect them to mention Australian fans
I’ve always found it baffling how there are many super popular Australian idols but no tours there. How awesome would it be to have a festival where all the Aussies performed in their home country.😍
Even thou I might not be able to ever meet or talk to my favourite idol groups, I'm fine with just silently supporting them and writing nice and encouraging messages on their Insta stories. Don't even know if they see or read them, but if there is just the chance that they might feel a bit better, from reading these messages, it's enough for me. I don't expect them to know who I am or remember my name. It's ok to just see them happy and help them fulfill their dreams.
I'm from Europe. As a 30 years old, who is a fan of kpop for 12 years, I had the pleasure to go to two (and no more) kpop concerts in my life. None of them were my favourite group or artist, I just liked them. I could not give ANY reasonable explanation why companies ignore the existence of Europe as a legit market for their concerts... Even South America is visited way more often than Europe! It's a joke that they advertise their World tours, but they skip entire continents... But I guess we're still spoiled rotten compared to African countries, so... 🙄
@@joicelovespink979 I didn't even think about going to concerts in SA because I just knew they wouldn't come here and I also knew it was gonna be way too expensive
I will say living in Korea as a mixed Asian I can vibe with both local kfans and Intfans. But I will say !!! When it comes to organised events kfandoms are elite ! The amount of events and clubs here for my fandom that kfans have so well structured 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Japan (where I live) is more like Korea than int, japanese fans don't joke around with promotions, they cover the cities in the idols' face whenever there's a comeback, there's radio announcements, ads in train station, it's a whole event. I still prefer the int community because they tend to humanize the idols more, but I don't think it's fair people say JP/KOR fans don't make an effort
@@Anasvet28 um does that mean fans and fanclubs are doing free advertisement for these groups when their companies have full on marketing teams and budgets?? kinda crazy if you think about it. No way I'd be spending my own hard earned cash to do the company's job. These idols make waay more than me over their career span anyways. Honestly if that's the case then these kpop companies are even more exploitative -not only exploitative of their employees but also their own consumers
@@LovelyLittleLillies well you definitely don't have to contribute to any fan event. I don't think it's even easy. They are very closed communities. But paying for ads and billboards it's very much part of fan culture here. For both famous and non famous groups. Everywhere you walk in Tokyo there are ads for all kinds of groups. A lot of these fans have a lot of money and they decide it to spend it that way amongst other things. I don't see it as bad thing and it's fun to meet people in the fan made events like pop up themed cafes and stuff:) not everything has to be negative, it's ok to have fun with it
One thing I like to watch is the growing comparison between groups who become popular domestically and those that start out growing popular internationally. I also feel very privileged to live in the US and to get so much as a fan here, but I still often have to travel far to get to the concerts that are even here. The concerts may still happen within the same country, but it's still a two or three day drive to the closet concert venues my favs have performed at.
I'll never understand why the parasocial relationship in Korean fans is that toxic. When I first became and EXO-L and got to know Chen was cancelled by getting married I was like "What the hell?" I couldn't believe it, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Oh that was so heartbreaking...wasn't it? I adore Chen and the rest of the members of EXO. They are the first unit that got me into this genre of music. They are still my number one! :) So when I logged online and saw the headlines to many articles and videos mentioning all the hate, it just broke my heart. No one but he and his wife should have the power to dictate how they choose to live or when they bring a child into the world. It should be a celebrated and happy occasion and those who say they love him should genuinely be happy for him. The guy deserves happiness and I honestly believe he should have received more love and congratulations rather than the hate he got. I can only hope as a fan that that he was able to feel that love and support shine through all the hate he received.
I'm an international fan of k-pop idols but let's not take sides either international or kfans both sides have toxic & non-toxic fans. Obsessive fans just need to work on themselves not to fight each other and about memberships the agencies need to work upon it for international fans not just to give privileges to domestic fans
American fans are more rowdy at concerts than Korean fans. Americans don't get upset when K-pop artists (or other artists)dancing are not perfect on stage. We really don't care like others do, that is why most American musicians don't really dance on stage during a performance.
I am a big multistan. I listen to over 100 groups and I'm in over 40 of those fandoms, though of course I have my favorite 5 groups that I give more attention to and EXO and Stray Kids are the only ones that I vote for when it comes time for that. I just can't see how people can only listen to 1 group. There are so many good groups/solo artists that it is impossible for me to like just one. That being said, I have been attacked by korean kpop fans for being a multi on various platforms. I spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars a month on various albums and merch and do my best to support everyone that I listen to. Multistans don't deserve the hate at all.
Same. I am a fan of just as many of not more groups, but I rarely claim fandoms, but I'm still a fan. I'll never get how people can just stick to 1, 2 or 3 groups. They're missing out on a lot of talent and great songs
@@KayPopKraze i'm korean.I used papago. Koreans listen to various groups of songs. In particular, Koreans listen to songs charted in the melon top 100 and girl idol songs regardless of the group, and Koreans listen to only a few group songs that they are interested in when they listen to boy idol songs. Fandom activities mean that you work hard on all the fan activities for that group, and that doesn't mean that you don't listen to other groups' songs. For example, Korean fans participate in pre-recordings of music shows when idols make a comeback, participate in concerts, held many idol birthday cafe,to participate in an exhibition and stream Melon very hard when they make a comeback.They listen to songs over thousands of times. There are many fans who buy more than 50 to 100 albums . Of course, They also buy most kinds of merchandise. Because Korean fandom spends a lot of money and time on fan activities, they only do 1~3 fandom activities.
aren't girlgroups generally more popular in korea tho?? like they chart better and are more talked about, i thought boygroups were more popular internationally than in korea
K fans r so lucky bcz they can meet their fav idols anytime its really easy for them meanwhile i fans have to wait for concert just to meet them and not all of i fans could attend concert so its really tough for i fans to see or meet their idols
You can easily just go to Korea if you would like to meet them. Several fans travel for it. Korea is very fun the content there is by far more fun than abroad and cheaper. I've never understood people who say they have to wait. If you're too young then yeah absolutely sure. If you have other commitments yeah absolutely sure. I see people with jobs and who have time off and just never use it and will say these same things like oh my idol never tours here etc... then just go to them lol.
World tours rarely go many places in Europe because different countries have different laws regarding the distribution, storage, and production of merch sold in their borders and that just makes it reallu challenging for production companies to make money there
I think the big difference is Korean fans cling to their idols like idols n not regular people whereas international fans are more aware of needing space n being human, having emotions etc.
Ever Heared of Never Meet Your Hero. I'll stick to that, thank you very much! I'd rather see them from afar than super close to the point that i experience those toxic people surrounding my IDOLS.
As a European fan of SKZ, It's not just the lack of concerts in the UE/UK is a problem :( Buying albums and official merch in Europe is VERY expensive. SKZ has a distributor in the USA, Japan and of course in Korea too. But I live in Europe and I have to buy either from Korea or from local kpop shops that buy and import albums from Korea.... It costs a lot...I'm already used to the fact that fans from Europe, South America and Africa are the worst kind of fans for the Kpop industry.
*Cries in Bangladeshi* most of the people don't even know that we exist, also kpop isn't really famous here so it's almost impossible to buy official merch or albums from local shops 😭
@@kiki-1428 not really, it's mostly BTS and BP who are really popular here, but the fans are mostly kids who are under 15(I have seen many 6-10 years old fans (Army/blink) in my school and fighting with each other saying Bts is better than bp or vice versa). Finding a fan who stans other groups rather than bts and bp is really hard here (ig in India too)
@@QT.Liiknow yeah i agree i mean most of fans are self proclaimed v ki dulhaniya (brides ) like on online i met some Stans but offline meh it's hard i mean bts or some popular grp trend on twitter in india almost everyday
As a European fan I don't think we ask for too much... I mean kfans get offended when we ask an idol to say hi in english, but it's okay to tell us to learn korean? Albums and other merchandise are really expensive here, and, damn, a lot of us are broke. I usually don't even buy official merchandise other than albums, because it just costs too much. The controversies are really according to culture and raising. For example here in my country racism is not taken seriously, and probably that's why I feel like a lot of time these kinds of things are overreacted. I don't mean to hurt anyone, but there, in Korea, a lot of people probably don't even know other cultures, and most of the times they don't meant to be rude. And ofc everyone knows how most korean fans overreact dating, cursing, or just how the idols look. (I mean ik the kbs is kinda part of their culture but it's so strict and it's just their look, and everyone has a preference, what they think is pretty, and what they think is not. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think kbs should be taken THAT seriously) And the so called world tours shouldn't be called world tours, only if they are really world tours. Imo MCND did the right thing, they made a Europe tour and an American tour, and I think that's how it should go also whit other continents. (I believe they only went to North America but at least they noticed that Europe exists)
Just a reminder to everyone that this is a generalisation and not ALL Knetz are the stereotype, and neither are ALL international fans. I've seen a lot of people assuming all Knetz are harsh and horrible which isn't true, so just remember to be polite, OK? :)
@@hihi-po2tb I'm Korean too which is maybe why it irks me more than most haha, but I don't think I count as a Knetz because I'm a 교포 so I don't live in Korea. Still, I see Knetz being demonised a lot, and I don't think it's fair to lump any group of people together and force them into a negative light because of the worst people in the group. You're welcome though! :)
I just wanted to clarify that driving intoxicated isn’t a “mistake” that anyone can make. That is something people should be held accountable for no matter where they are. Now is it something they can learn from and do better yes, but it isn’t a mistake
International fans also tend to understand and be there for their idol while Korean fans tend to be really possessive and obsessed over their idol and hate and judge them they tend to care more about their weight and beauty while international fans support their idols.
THANK YOU for bringing up the world tour issue.. of course kpop is huge in Europe! I don’t know why companies has even doubts about it… Not even to mention South America… They are just losing money on not going to those places… you have no idea how frustrated it is to know that all the time they are going to every single city in the us and nothing in Europe
If there is one fandom that is the definition of parasocial relationship, it’s the Kpop fandom. It makes me sad because I know they can do better. Why can’t we let celebrities have love in their personal life? Kpop idols being unable to do so just encourages people’s jealousy and jealousy isn’t your friend. It’s part of the negativity that feeds on you.
5:52 by the way, only 4 people showed up to that protest. The actual in-person protests in Korea aren't as big as this video is making them out to be. People stop supporting their idols if they disagree with them, and they usually write negative things online, but they don't often protest in person.
Australia and New Zealand are lucky to get included on a tour too - the usually do Sydney and occasionally Melbourne and neglect the rest. I’m spending $1200 on flights alone to see skz
@kpopfan very true - there’s actually heaps of demand in Perth but we are so isolated that it makes it really expensive for them to bring people and equipment over here
I'm just being normal fan, Hearing their music and hope my bias healthy and happy, i don't care their private life. I'm not the type fan like Eminem said on his song STAN
Koreans fans help to win daesang and music show win and getting pak, rak. Example ive,aespa,new jeans...international fans help Cannot help to win daesang and pak rak. Just help to win music show 50%. But they help to make that group popular worldwide like bp.bp dont have daesang and many music show win but they are more popular then some daesang win groups. Also they were 2 years hiatus But their popularity was still same
The difference is : kfans : need to go outside and touch some grass ifans : need to stop babying those idols, they are probably not who you expect in real life In conclusion they both need reality checks.
We should treat celebrities as normal people cos they are.. the truth is many kpop fans are obsessed over idols, in pop culture celebs are now getting normalized by internet and i'm here for it ..they can date if they want they can curse, anything ...ya it's sounds mess but tht how normal human beings 🙂
As someone in Kpop fan groups all over the internet if Girls lead the market internationally it's a small lead. Groups are completely overwhelmed by boy band fans.
I agree with everything in this video, everywhere from korean fans being angry at people dating and getting married, to international fans demanding a appology for cultral appropration. Also international fans can only ever see their idols at concerts and there so called 'world tours' wich ends up only being korea, japan and the us. Also for korean fans only really only liking one group, and international fans being multi-stans.
I feel like lately every idol spend their time in Paris for fashion events. There's even a concert in Feb gathering different artists like, Chung ha, BTOB...
The amount of intl stans who have superiority complex in this comment section like non koreans fans are never toxic, posessive, fetishazing and infantalizing to their faves 💀
What I'll say is, most of the features of korean fandoms is also related to Korea's culture and attitudes many international fans just cant think of or cant understand
International and Korean stans just need to fight it out like Sechskies and H.O.T fans did back in the days to determine who's the best once and for all.
It’s as if both international and Korean fans balance each other out LOL. The things we (international fans) see as problematic doesn’t seem to be problematic to Korean fans while it’s vice versa for them. It’s interesting but sometimes scary, and it goes both way.
I am from California USA and I am not a big girl group fan...The boy groups are more popular by far out here. When I first heard of kpop, it was EXO and Super Junior. I didn't know any girl groups until I got big into EXO in 2014. Most kids in my area listen to Stray Kids and NCT and Wayv
@@catarinavalentine1026 it's not just internationally. Boy groups objectively are more popular everywhere lol. The genre has always been boy group dominated. This was like the first year where I think girl groups were neck and neck with boy groups... and even then it wasn't by a huge margin. Definitely yes though boy groups are by far more popular abroad though.
I live in the United States and worst I live in Florida where Kpop stars rarely come too. You think when Kpop stars have U.S tours you'll think they would perform all around United States, but no. A lot of Kpop stars only perform in less than six states and it always the same states. No matter how much us U.S fans complain on social media it never chnages.
@@Cafelee12 I know they don’t go to Florida, I meant at least you can fly to Atlanta or other areas easier than everybody else’s, as it’s not easy to simply just to go to us
@@bethaniaaa Not really buying plane tickets, and buying hotel rooms in Atlanta is not that cheap because Atlanta is a tourist city. Plus I dont live 4 hours away from Atlanta. I'm almost 10 hours away from Atlanta Georgia. Also where are you from ?
Korean fans and international stans are different first by what they call themselves. Fan vs Stan Korean fans also leave things alone once proven false. International stans use the "it's my opinion" "they were paid off" "So what. I still don't like them" as an excuse to continuously hate and bully idols. International stans will also believe any rumor told just to jump on a hate train and they'll add extra rumors to it just to keep the hate alive. Should we have a talk about Woojin? Korean fans have the chance to stalk, and hurt idols. International stans use words to hurt them because they can't do anything else. Let idols move to America while promoting. You'll see false accusations against idols sky rocket Korean fans are strict because of cultural differences. While international stans are angry, jealous, petty, controlling, mean, aggressive and everything else for the sake of drama and "being woke" Kpop fans in general are worrying. They'll put their own lives on hold just to worry about what another HUMAN is doing. A lot of them can't function properly if they can't see or hear an idol. They need said idol to be perfect for their fantasy. They need said idol to be perfect because they themselves can't be. It's sad Kpop has brought out the worst in a lot of people. Only some are aware of this and we're brave enough to admit it Kpop needs to go back to focusing on Asia only. They'll be just fine with the support from China and Japan. They'll have less drama if they cut the United States off. Trust me
@@LovelyKissess yeah.... I have been into kpop since 2nd gen. It was a million times better than it is now and less toxic. At the present, it is just like a mess with piles of false accusations and cyberbullying🤦♂️. As you said, I also noticed that kpop fandoms become very toxic starting from around 2018/2019 when its influence began to drastically rise in western countries because of BTS.....
@@123legend I miss those old days. I came at the start of 3rd gen and it was so peaceful. Everyone who seems to live off of drama came and made kpop a torture chamber and because they themselves enjoy it, they don't see it as something bad Yes, there are so many false accusations in kpop now. So much more than there was before. And the cyber bullying is just crazy. It never ends One thing I always say is, Bts paved the way for toxicity The group itself is cool, but they opened the door for all of the toxicity we now have
@@JaxBox1 I miss them too. The bad part is that people don't even treat kpop like music anymore, they treat it like a lifestyle that they're living. It's too personal for most now
The biggest difference is that K-fans have an ingrained toxic culture of being possessive and extremely critical. Whereas I-fans have the least bit of sensitivity to actual cultural norms, a deluded sense of morality and feminism and of course the instant cancel culture trend. In the end, not so different. Toxic fans will be toxic fans regardless of where they’re from. Good fans will be good fans regardless of where they’re from.
I don't necessarily agree with the "possessive" culture of korean fans necessarily as they are just in the same country and are able to support more. There's so much that ifans don't actually understand it's actually a bit incredible, but I'm not surprised. Ifans have this huge bias towards kfans becasue kpop articles always report on knetz because it's just a low-hanging fruit and gets clicks and has now made ifans have a biased opinion against kfans. I'll tell you all the times I've been to Korea I've met the bad and the good sides. I've unfortunately on accident have befriended sasaengs (thankfully dropped them when I discovered their behavior) but the vast VAST majority of korean fans I've befriended have been the most caring people I've ever met super welcoming too. A bunch of us set up a fan cafe for supporting a group and one of the girls who was doing the most setup didn't sleep for 3 days. She was still attending broadcasts during promotions and I saw her taking a nap next to me at music bank (since music bank is seated) and I would wake her up when our group came on and she would cheer then nap again. This was all for her planning this cafe and her school work and also attending promotions. Korean fans are extremely dedicated and supportive people they just don't want their idol to have a potentially negative image in the public's eye because that would affect their future after being an idol if they went into acting for example. Koreans think long term. Ifans just don't care which is fine.. but that's the thing they don't care so much about what an idol does that they also don't care about how it would affect them. This is the part that people don't understand. All in all with that aside though I agree with your points
I agree - and good analysis. FYI: I’m an older kpop fan who grew up during the MTV generation in the US. I became a fan of kpop in 2009 when I randomly came across a music video and was impressed with the choreography and production quality. I’ve followed almost exclusively female groups as they seem more interesting and their performances are more creative and appealing. Some things that still vex me about kpop are the dating ban (for adult idols), the strict beauty standards (some take plastic surgery too far), and the overreaction regarding everything they do or say. It’s ok to be critical, just don’t be psycho. Half these performers are minors who should still be picking their nose in high school - so just chill.
K fans are more likely to have saesangs in their midst. International fans can have some saesangs , too, but it's less likely because an international saesangs would also have to haveoney, time to travel to follow the idol around .
Idk how that im about to say have to do anything with the video but i feel like kfans are these who hate to see idols dating and likes to make a problem with idols who gives “signs of dating”( just like Winter’s situation.. kfans make a problem for that she is looking “too much” in her phone which considered to them means she is dating someone.. and situations like that happens a lot with male idols) but international fans are these who would love to see their idols dating but in other hand they make a lot of ships and make idols feel uncomfortable with each other.. that’s my point of view
K fans can not bear especially the arrogant attitudes of any idol. It makes kpop idols humble and kind no matter how they are popular or big. I think k fans are making kpop industry stronger and more sustainable.
The topic of concert locations fits the pool meme. East Asia and the US happily playing with the mum, Europe and Canada holding on for dear life and the rest of the world is just dead.
Koreans fans should be more lenient with their idols, BUT international fans should stop criticizing Korean culture like the beauty standards or they should stop making excuses for their idols when they do something wrong
Most international fans have set aside their old mindset and come to respect the beauty standard. Such as, embracing femininity, wearing makeup, clean shaven men, straight guys with crop tops, etc. but the only problem we have with beauty standard is the white washing. I will never respect a colorist standard. Especially not as a person of color.
I’m not trying to hate but I’m just being honest. I mostly see the Korean fans defending their idols when something happens. For example, fat shaming. It’s unfortunately a part of the culture in Korea. Or when someone does culture appropriation or says something racist. The k fans will most likely be the first to defend them bc these issues are very much stemmed from western culture and progressive movements. But yes, I’m 100% sure that there are many iFans who defend their idols unacceptable behavior.
The reason why you don’t see as many artists go to Europe is because of Two big factors: 1.) location-getting there is a lot harder compared to North America and probably with the Ukraine conflict, flying over or near Russia is a no go (it’s still possible to go to Europe from Korea Ofc, but getting there is harder compared to North America or other Asian countries). 2.) visas/touring-since Europe is many smaller countries and yes there is the EU but there’s probably different rules for each country with touring/music visas. Ofc it’s possible (ie blackpink) but it’s a lot harder compared to touring in North America. So agencies have to really commit and put in a lot more work for Europe concerts compared to other countries.
As a Korean I think international fans are funnier and produce better content (like crackhead videos) and even the RUclips comments the english ones are more interesting. As for the privileged question, its kind of weird. I mean yeah korean fans have more access because k-pop is in Korea obviously. Are American NBA fans or Hollywood fans called privileged because they have more access?
I don't know if this is specifically a difference between international and Korean fans or a different issue, but I've noticed that certain fans are quick to call an idol's treatment disrespectful. Like in the US celebrities get asked about their dating lives and controversies they have had all the time. Sometimes they choose not to talk about those things, but asking the questions is usually not thought of as disrespectful or rude. When kpop idols come to America and get asked the same types of questions it's suddenly seen as disrespectful, rude or xenophobic. The same thing happens sometimes when it comes to jokes. When talk show hosts make jokes or celebrities take part in comedy skits about themselves we all laugh, when it happens with idols it's disrespectful. I've been wondering about this behavior for a while.
What I do appreciate about korean fans is that they are more critical of a groups work. International fans suck up everything no matter how good or bad it is once they stan a group. Easy way for the agencies to make a quick buck, because the money will be coming in anyway.
As an international fan in my fandom, I am grateful for Korean fans in our group. They are the boots on the ground--they provide the gifts, food, whatever our favorite group needs or events because they are the ones present there. I'm also grateful for those who translate and sub news and variety show appearances. I'm also grateful for the international stans who taught me to vote and stream and get out favorite group music show wins. Overall, I can say my fandom group is a well-oiled machine, with everybody doing what they need to do to help our favorite group succeed.
I hate the fact that if I say i don’t really like kpop because I don’t really listen to their music or its just its not my type of music and people call me a hater and since im korean myself people would think im insane :(
I remember looking at the prices of a BLACKPINK concert in Europe(where I'm from),just out of curiosity,and I almost fell of the chair of how pricy it was the concert.When KPOP idols have concerts outside of the american continent(which is truly weird to concerts to happen to be outside of U.S.A,unless if it's their neighbourds of the north,Canada),it's usually extremly pricey,so a lot of fans can't go to the concerts they want.
They came to my city in America but I didn’t go. The tickets were SO freaking expensive. The highest ones were like $2000+. The cheapest were like $210 I think. Which is still expensive but since blackpink is so popular, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand there’s skz. I love stray kids so much, no hate to them. I blame their team for making the tickets so expensive. Like they’re not BTS (by that I mean that they’re not the most popular group in all of kpop. That’s was not supposed to meant they’re not talented bc they are so talented.) why the frick are their most expensive tickets $4000. The cheapest are like $260-$280. And the $200 ones are like the farthest sections from the front. At any regular concert your cheapest ticket cost around $50 or $60.
This video was very educational yoo bad ppl took as an opportunity to hate on korean citizens. Forgetting that their idols have the same values when the camera is off.
I'm a k pop stan living in the Caribbean it way harder for us here💀I don't think most idols even know my country ( jamaica🇯🇲)exist🥲if we wanna see our favs we would have to travel which would be hella expensive 🥲
As a European K-pop fan, I know what it’s like to not have any K-pop group come to ur county and if they do they tend to go to the capital and as I live in the other side of the county to the capital city, it’s even harder knowing they are in the county but I can’t see them. Blackpink cane one to my county, had in concert and then left. Nit helping the fact that came in a Wednesday is u could not go see them anyway. It suck’s 😭😭😭
As an international fan i should say korean people haven't global education enough 💀 I think the non korean people are the only one who can see how strict the culture specially beauty standards...i really disgust how young idols got sexualized and also colourism😖
this isn't a Korea thing though? Also ifans don't even attempt to really learn about Korean culture but will just crucify it without trying to understand it. I won't disregard some things that Korea does though because the debuting young idols thing has always been weird to me. You're saying that Koreans shouldn't hold their idols to a standard though to remain professional? If people want to see idols who don't act professional or with tact they can just go look at artists in the west lol. It's just so strange. Ifans will crucify Koreans for wanting their idol to remain in a positive professional image because that is what is good for the longevity of their career far past them being just an idol but if they go into acting afterwards... and ifans by that point will have just moved on to the next new group that shows up. This is why multifandom is way more popular with ifans than kfans. To say that korean people aren't educated "enough" though is so weird. Maybe all of us ifans should actually try to educate ourselves on Korean culture instead of just not trying to understand it and writing it off and saying it's just bad.. lets not forget that our idols are from that country lol.
KOREAN FANS ARE LIKE TOO MUCH DEDICATED TO KPOP... IT'S LIKE A PART OF THEIR CULTURE... KPOP IS THE WAY(ALONG WITH KDRAMA) KOREA IS PRESENTED TO WORLD....AND WE ALL KNOW HOW IMAGE CONSCIOUS KOREANS ARE....SO, THEY WANT EVERYTHING TO BE PERFECT ABOUT IDOLS....
One thing u said wrong is, "korean fans r too much dedicated to kpop", which is absolutely wrong. U should go to korea and ask people if they even care about kpop. Their answer will be "NO".
@@bryce1616 Most idol groups do not have any fanbases outside of Asia. It's only one group that does. And most groups fans outside of Korea are kpop stans not dedicated to one group except that group which is the only one with actual numbers outside of Asia for a reason. Also your side of the fandom is too obsessed with the idols and treat them like the manufactured puppets on stage they are. Which is perpetuated and driven by their companies especially Medium 3. Thank God I don't belong to kpop fandoms like these. In fact I don't consider our fandom a kpop one. Also I do agree with you on idols with no values like Criminal bang but I don't agree on treating them like your personal dolls. They are grown adults and like all other people they need to have a personal life outside of their work like all normal people do. They are not your possessions..And I won't say anything about your beauty standards but to me as an outsider it seems to me that you are ashamed of your own characteristics and culture and also promoting unhealthy body images as a health professional.
Blackpink got so much love and attention in their Europe tour. (Paris is literally obsessed with BP) Hope this persuades other groups to hold world tour there too.
I want to give people some advice when their idol is caught up in some incident where people get mad. Do not engage with the antis ; ever, because it’s going to get a lot worse.
Sometimes, I find it unfair for international fans, not seeing their biases in a their favorite or favorite group if they disband or leave their groups so early or late in their career. (No hate please)
As Korean society that more collectivist compared to the west that more individualistic oriented I know the Korean fandom have really strong solidarity in fandom circle and they get better access to the exclusive fan club In the other side , the collectivism mentality also breeds a toxic concept of idol belongs to the fans , which makes idol having a difficulty to having an individual rights for themselves such as right for dating or married as they demanded to prioritize public expectation over their individual right (( this also no exception in Japanese entertainment landscape as well ))
It just my opinion but you brought out "international fans" but only using USA flag while other countries fans also consider as international fans. Maybe you could changes it into world or any other symbol, bcs this world not just USA
The biggest problems of the fanbases in my opinion:
-Korean fanbase: Being overly possessive of their idols
-International fanbase: Jumping on hate accusations way too easily
Overall there are pros and cons in both, and I really wish we could get some concerts here in Eastern Europe too *cries*
Another thing that i see as a problem in fanbases:
-Kfans: hate to see idols dating and make huge useless scandals over stuff like that.
-International fans: love to see idols dating but make a lot of ships and make idols uncomfortable with each other
Also I think that
Kfans are little too obsessed with Korean beauty standards
While I fans are more accepting of idols looks and differences
Also another problem with the Korean fandom is that they can be VERY xenophobic towards other East Asian idols and even more racist towards non East Asian idols. Not all of them, sure, but a very large portion of them are. Sure, they can tolerate and even love a foreign idol as long as they keep their mouths shut and don't do anything to offend the Korean public, but the moment they do something wrong the Korean fanbase is very quick to turn on them. Remember how they bullied (G)I-dle's Shuhua when she mispronounced some Korean words on performances during Hann era? Or how they harrassed Sana for celebrating her country's new era? Or how they hated Yiren for not kneeling in front of her fans because it goes against her culture? Or how Lisa regularly gets called racial slurs on Korean social media platforms simply because she's the most popular Blackpink member overseas?
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international fans move so freaking weird when accusations are raised and it really bothers me because most of the time it’s just lost in translation and they don’t get it because they’re not from the culture and don’t speak the language 🙄 they’re also so quick to take offense for their idols when really nothing offensive was said or done in the first place lmao y’all just a little silly sometimes
Not gonna lie as an international fan I feel like we only exist when they need votes or sales or Need to be high on the billboard becuse all of a sudden we get attention than when it's done with we kinda get ignored and than we get a lot of crap from korean fans whenever we ask for simple things like say hi in English or they dont release shows with subtitles and when we speak up we get yelled at like "how dare you be rude to them they don't need subtitles you learn korian if you want to watch or they dont need to say anything to you) and it is possible to do live subtitles when on live they just don't care too.
Same.I can totally understand how annoying it must be to get thousands of comments telling you to do things that you have expressed inabilily to do .However some fan service for international fans would be certainly appreciated (which i feel os dufficult due to frequent rude experiences idols have on international interviews or events).I also feel kinda sad how when me personally as an international fan gets happy when idols talk about my country or culture and people call me a "crazy fan" . I feel that many international fans face hardships that are often not talked about or is it just me ?
But that's exactly why international fans exist. They just want our money. I mean it's business
And I don't understand why it's called whining when we want subtitles since a lot of programs in Korean also have Korean subtitles, so why can't we have subtitles in other languages too
Use subtitles. It's about comfort with your own language. Otherwise learn Korean language..
I get where you’re coming from but that’s a huge double standard. like you don’t see asians constantly on western artists’ asses for not speaking our native languages. plus, that’s how international kpop fans lived before the whole breakthrough of the kpop scene into western media. They learned the language and generous fans even made English subs for other international fans to enjoy. And if you say it isn’t fair since english is a language like half of the world knows, please think about why it is that way. Society has always been so western centric, here in Asia we’re forced to grow up learning our native language/s AND English especially now in the most recent few decades. It’s a minor inconvenience for y’all at most to just wait for other fans to sub the content you wanna watch so… 🤷♀️
I'm glad you brought up the multi-stan. International fans seem to be a lot more comfortable staning many groups but Korean fans pour everything into one group, almost like an obsession, it's one of the reasons you will see some groups that are just super popular in Korea but then these smaller groups just don't seem to be able to get a solid Korean fanbase because they are already stanning another group. I also think with the way the music industry is in the west is why international fans are a lot more accepting of things that Korean fans would find unacceptable because the scandals we deal with in western music ... LOL, some of it is pretty crazy. The whole bullying scandals as well. Things idols did as kids can ruin their careers. It's crazy. I don't see why growing up and making mistakes and learning from them is a bad thing. It boggles my mind. DUI though, is a big NONO for everyone I think. If someone is accepting of that then I dunno ... need your head checked.
Hi,happy new year am an international fan..from Rwanda.... I recently, like couple 4 months ago got into an online fight with an army bse am an army myself but I said monstax x ,has the best English album....it became a huge ,huge fight.🤣🤣🤣I asked her ( the person who was onto me) wht is wrong with being an army but also stanning other groups, she said I can't multi stan bse real fans don't do that....I flipped her off until she got mad that am Army and A monbebe
@@preciouslyunhinged Good on ya if I were I'll shut my mouth beside there is nothing wrong stanning other group u did well plus I am also a multikpop group because I Stan all group equally and fairly❤️❤️❤️
True....there is nothing with liking other groups too......
@@Mkayéx totally cause I understand how hard they all work just to able to achieve thier dream and I can also relate to them I have seen with my own two eyes the passion and dedication that all this group have done whether is Bts or Blackpink or any other group I have seen how serious they are with thier career that is something that most of the Korean public don't see in them, from my own perspective I don't hate any group whether I know them or not or whether I listen to thier song or not what i see is if thier is no passion thier won't be good music cause talents comes with passion and determination..I have Stan so many and I mean many group some I don't even listen to thier song but that doesn't mean I hate them I just feel like I should support them even if I don't listen to thier songs or watch any of their show my respect and support for them are pretty high and idc what other people think about them I just love them not because of thier music or talent but because I see them as human who is working hard to make thier family proud...I wish all of those groups whether they are famous or not the best of luck and I and many international fan will support them with thier heart fully cause as a kpop fan it is our duty to protect and to support those idols from haters cause I see how many idols and groups lost thier live due to haters and many groups disbanding and all those allegations against them I know that my comment is very long but I just want to let out what I feel cause I have been thinking alot about what is happening in the kpop industry..there are so many things that is happening in the kpop industry that I feel like what is going with Korea..what happen to Korea that I use to know I started to feel like the Korean people have no sense of dignity and they should be ashame of themselves..I have seen so many scandals that is related to bullying and dating and so many more and the reaction of the Korean public disgust me the most...back when I use to be a rookie fan I have no idea whatsoever about Korea and kpop all I know is how beautiful thier country are and thier music but as I become older and diving deep into kpop I started to feel that Korea people have changed alot by becoming so obsessed with their idol in the way they became sasaeang fans, creating scandals just to destroy the idols career and so many more..as a international fan I feel like things has changed over the past couple of years since I became a kpop fan..as I listen to many news about what is happening in the kpop industry has break my heart into million pieces and I can't help but cry..what happen to the good old days where everyone was happy and cheering 😭😭😭💔
@@Mkayéx 💀u shouldn't. Bcz the Wonyoung, Yuna hate mainly come from I fans. Also garam case . I fans Judge way to quickly without knowing anything.
Something interesting I've observed with Korean fans is something I've noticed about Japanese idol fans, too: they are RARELY multistans. Being a dedicated fan of multiple groups with multiple biases is looked down upon there, while overseas, this is common and actually encouraged, with people who have a super long list of groups they stan being considered impressive and experienced fans and people who are only into one or two groups being considered newbies or "baby" fans, at least from what I've observed in my experience. In Korea or Japan, if you change biases or start to stan another group besides your ult group, that's considered betraying your bias (or your oshi in Japan). In a western country (I'll use America as an example), your average kpop fan will have at least five different groups they're dedicated to and then some other groups they like but not as much. This is probably part of why nugu groups tend to stay nugu: because Korean fans refuse to put lots of effort into stanning a group of new rookies from a small company when they're already stanning a popular group from a big company. Also, Korean kpop fans and Japanese jpop fans (I'm making this comparison continually because I notice the same behaviors in both fandoms) are more likely to be solo stans than overseas fans are. In the English-speaking kpop online community, being a solo stan (having one bias that you favor over the other members and you exclusively follow that member without giving as much attention to the other members) is looked down on and seen as a sign of a toxic fan, but this is more common among Korean and Japanese idol fans. The opinion of overseas fans on this tends to be that it's OK to have a bias but not at the expense of ignoring or hating the other group members.
Mostly I think international fans tend to be way more accepting and less harsh than Korean fans, but that's mainly because of the cultural differences in how we're raised and how we see celebrities, and just music culture in general. What's frustrating is that sometimes, Korean fans don't see that and expect so much more from international fans and they don't accept us as part of the fandom. I remember an incident with one kpop group's fandom I'm in where a Korean fan took to Twitter to express their anger at how international fans weren't streaming enough and how they were being lazy and obviously didn't care about the group enough, and I think that really highlighted a huge difference in how different cultures see celebrities and music. In Korea and some other Asian countries (specifically Japan), you give your life to your idol. In America and other western countries, your life and your idol are two different things and you prioritize your studies, your family, your mental health, etc. over a singer you don't even know. The priorities are just different. Plus, being an international, non-Korean-speaking fan is hard, and sometimes I get the feeling (and I know other international fans do, too) that Korean fans don't understand and appreciate that because they take so much for granted. They get to go to fansigns, music show performances, concerts, etc. often, and buying albums and merch is easier and cheaper for them. Also, they don't need subtitles because Korean is their mother tongue. However, for many of us overseas fans, this isn't the case. It's a once-in-a-lifetime chance to go to a concert, and we have to travel to another, more major city to do it most of the time. Forget going to a fansign or other event. We often get one chance to even breathe the same air as the group we stan. Overseas shipping for albums and other merch is expensive, and half the time we're broke. And we don't all have the time or motivation to learn Korean. Lots of people don't even speak English, so being able to understand English subtitles isn't always super easy for everyone. Some people are already learning another language or simply don't have the time to learn another alphabet and language, and for some people, kpop is just some music they like to listen to and isn't their main fandom, so they don't have the motivation to learn a WHOLE NEW LANGUAGE. We're doing what we can with what we have and I hope more Korean fans will come to see that and appreciate it.
I agree kfans (chinese, korean and Japanese fans in general) can be a bit harsh but you’re also not recognizing a huge fact that’s been true since before kpop even got recognized in the international market: it’s their loyalty and “obsession” with these groups and members they solo stan that drives a huge part of their career. Idk if you’re aware but a lot of idols and groups get gigs, sponsorships, endorsements, etc. BECAUSE of the kfans and their fan projects. Even just birthday ads go insane for idols in Asian countries like fanbases collect hundreds of thousands just for that single day alone. Kinda hard to do if you’re doing it for multiple groups but that’s just the culture of how things are in the east asian entertainment industry.
Omg you wrote a whole essay 😭😭 but I agree wholeheartedly
@@Mkayéx I mean I was just stating the facts of the matter, didn’t say it was a positive or negative thing. Just a reality you have to accept since this has always been the culture of the entertainment industry in korea
@@Mkayéx Just want to point out that English is a more widely spoken language than Korean so that might explain why some Western artists are not subtitling videos or speaking in other languages. It's more likely that the person watching the video already knows some English. On the other hand I have seen some Western Celebrities speaking other languages in interviews. It generally depends on the artist and their background.
I think in Japan there is a dichotomy between jpop singers and idols (with idol culture), whereas in Korea all kpop singers seem to be idols? Correct me if wrong, I'm more familiar with Japan than Korea
Im an international fan and I just dont see the reason to be so obsessed with a group that you think you can dictate what they do with their lives
@@norabeckwith6893 The thing is, and I’m not saying it’s all Kpop idols, there have been multiple instances of idols using a culturally significant object/song or any other manifestation of a culture or religion and use it as a prop or a way of entertainment. Is it just kpop idols that do this? Of course not! However, there are compilations of many idols doing offensive things that could have them called racist if not for the fact that a huge card that defends them is the fact that Koreans are not always aware of how insensitive their actions can be because of their lack of exposure to these issues.
Basically, not all kpop idols are racist but you can understand where their (the accuser’s) train of thought comes from. I don’t find it cool at all to put kpop idols under the category of being racists just to be clear if the comment didn’t make it obvious enough, but I wanted to put my input on this topic, so I’m sorry if any of this was bothersome 😅
@@norabeckwith6893 Personally, when I’m made aware of any western celebrity drama I do see huge amounts of backlash and I feel like they are more held responsible for their actions because topics like racism are severely discussed among the west and so western celebrities have no excuse for any racial insensitivity as they’re expected to know that already. I do agree that some fans tend to quickly forget a western celebrity’s scandal/controversy or at-least always try to justify their actions when it’s clear as day that those actions can’t be pardoned by the fans that were unaffected by the celebrity’s actions and instead that right should be given to the community that was ACTUALLY affected. Just like Kanye West’s recent controversy for his antisemitic comments that completely devastated his fans that were Jews yet that were trying to be justified by fans of his that have the popular excuse of “-but he did graduation…”
Sadly, the only reason I can think of off of the top off my head as to why western celebrities have their controversies forgotten very quickly is because it is very common nowadays for a celebrity to be outed as racist or any other controversial affiliation in western countries.
Idols are afraid of Knets whereas they can expressed themselves freely with international fans. With international fans, they're like a bird freed from their cage. Knets are possessive and toxic for no reason.
More like ifans are hypocrites and have normalised bad things... i-fans are sensitive when it's comes to cultural appropriation..as it's part of their culture...
But they have normalised alcohol,drugs... but it's a big deal for asian or korea...
Facts we see in during their times out of Korea. Idols are always much happier.
@@kimson305 coz they can bring their demon out in light
@@bryce1616 it's not demon it's the real you not a doll or robot.
@@yoihenneetwala5822 lol,,is it wrong to have the wish to stan good Human ?? It's IDOLS WHO FOOLS THE PUBLIC..
west have normalized being bad or alcoholic or druggie...they can only cry about cultural appropriation
Getting married, dating, having kids is just apart of life, these grown ass men and women can’t be single forever
Lmao for me single is better and also u say it as if a problem with being single also go and cry cuz idols can’t date
K fans are strict but also they respect and treat idols like god...where Hollywood celebs are treated like normal people...
I agree
They don’t because if they did they’d be allowed to date like the normal human they are
But these fans are crazy obsessed delulus who think they will date their favourite idols when they won’t
Real fans let them date marry and have families not hate on whoever they’re with
@@Babiemelo as long as idols play along with kfans then they are good but about international fans I would they are more crazy like super crazy about idols
@@forever5745 No we’re not sorry but I’ve seen many out here give them space
At least we let them date like real fans K fans freak when they date like psycho obsessed delulus they’re allowed to date they’re human like the rest of us humans are social creatures and we long for love and connection and most fans who freak at them are little teenagers freaking at ADULTS for dating they will NEVER date their idols
Real fans let them date fake fans hate
No.. i dont agree
I'm just glad they consider all of us "Internationals" fans. I'm glad when they are able to tour outside their country. I'm glad that we can buy their music and support their talent. I'm glad that their music can bring light in such dark times to many people. A good fun song can bring joy to anyone who is able to move their hips. Whether fans are just listening in their car, listening while cleaning their house, listening perhaps at their job, listening during parties and get togethers....these groups and their music is needed across the globe. I can't love just one group only, because all of these groups work so hard to put out great music that makes my day brighter, it makes my heart sing with them...and I am proud to consider myself their fan...Boy groups, girl groups...mixed....it does not matter as long as this music never dies or fades away. Love and Light!! :)
👏 👏 👏 👍 👍
Are u a multikpop group?
I couldn’t have said it better😌
If u are than so am I I'm glad to be part of the international fan..I couldn't say it better well done👏👏👏
Awe that was very positive ❤
Lets just remember that often we see the worst side of both fandoms because the worst people are the loudest people, even if they are only a small fraction of kpop fans.
There were many years where I just listened to kpop happily without engaging in fandom culture at all
Let's also all try to remember that in-group bias exists and not everyone in a group outside of ours is terrible.
I know korea takes bullying seriously. And i just seen recently where supposed kfans are attacking hyunjin from stray kids, once again, for a bullying scandal that happened years ago and has been resolved ever since because of the new show “the glory” on netflix. Like from what was proven is that hyunjin and another student got into an altercation because the other student was making fun of his dog. But that was all that happened. And i think it was said to have happened when he was in middle school. Like that was a fight between two students, not bullying. Like netizens need to understand the difference between when something is actually bullying versus just a little fight. And the worst part is that hyunjin has apologized numerous times over it. Even though in my opinion, I don’t think he needed to as he was the one being provoked and it was nowhere near bullying.
I feel bad when idols get criticised for dating
I feel bad when idol get criticized/canceled for the stupidest thing
True. But contract is a contract. If ur bf/gf cheated on u, r okay with it. Unloyal? Goodluck to ur fragile love then.
@@HK-yb8op same
@@demonslayer4951 lol they r not my bf or gf they r idols singing performing n coming on variety shows for millions of fans. How is he cheating on me when he owes nothing to me. Instead of acting as fans people start acting like they r actually their gf/bf and it's ur problem not theirs
Lol money comes with a price lol how bad u won’t it
Nothing is wrong with being a fan of just one group, that's how I started. I only started liking other groups when my favorite group became older and more inactive, but that doesn't mean I stopped being a fan of them. I love so many groups now and I'm happy being this type of fan. Idk why we gotta have fanwars about the dumbest things. People just need to be more level-headed and understanding.
The Korean K-pop fans get really obsessed sensitive and angry when idols date because they think the idol doesn't care/love them anymore if they date. According to them, the idol is allowed to love only the fans.
Those fans are selfish and only love the idol until the the idol starts dating.
Those aren't real fans
😍girlie I can send u thousands of ss from I fans sending death threats, Hate , to the idols 😘 bcz there are dating rumor 😍let's not forget how I fans make one of the most delusional ffs 😳also yall are the one who edit rumor couple and falsely spread them .🥺
@Nora Beckwith You are literally replying the same thing to everyone 🙄
That’s Why I hate a concept of Idol Belong to the Fans which is still etched deeply in KNets Fandom
It’s Batshit Insane to cancel an idol over their individual right for dating or married
I would say that is not the main reason tho. Well idk but minimum not the only one. Bc I've seen that they feel like lied to? And maybe betrayed, when they are dating in secret yet at the same time flirting or such with the fans. So it feels like being played with. I understand their feelings tbh, and many blame the fans but I would say the main culprits are the companies for making them do and act a certain way, creating those para social relationships and obsession, and worse not doing anything to change it bc it was on purpose and they want the money..
Anyways, but yes no matter how they feel it's no justification to throw hate and whatever, keep it to yourself or your friends and later decide if you are going to support them or not when you are calmed down..
Second reason I read, it's that they don't consider it professional, and they don't think they should date bc then they wouldn't concentrate on their job, specially since first years are crucial.
Also that they should keep their private life private, they don't mind but don't want to know, and if they do reveal it, it should be enough years after and when the couple is serious when they dated more than 2 or 3 years, because, and that's a big reason, it would affect the group. And fans (nor the company), want that. And it is the truth bc firstly romantic and/ or se,ual attraction is a big component on stanning someone and therefore the group, so if it comes up they are dating, either they feel jealous or not the same and stop stanning, or even if they don't mind(and I've seen this a lot with Dawn kfans for example), they know or assume it's going to be an scandal and will affect the group reputation and popularity, and it happened, but mainly bc of cube that kicked them out (bc they broke the trust with the company they said lol) when fans actually didn't want that.
And I want to add a third point, and that is that probably the hate comments are from antis from the group or even a member from the group they stan, and the GP, but not the actual fandom..And then it's sheep mentality and bc they think others think that when they don't and issue gets bigger than it would, etc. 🙃
@@nuvwaa6074 yes I’m sure iFans do that too, but it’s more embedded in Korean culture, therefore kfans do it more often. The whole idea of kpop idols is to have a parasocial relationship with them. That means that the fans are top priority. The idols often do romantic things for them and they are made to seem as if they’re always single so that they’re available for the fans, which is simply not true. You’d have to be out of your mind to think that you have a chance with your fave idol.
I don't really see a equal balance here. Mainly because if for some reason the kpop hype dies down & international fans start to go away, they need their kfans. So their main priority will always be them. Plus it's their home of course they'll always prioritize them more, it's easier, more familiar & beneficial in the long run. It does suck for international fans but it is what is but we should be glad we get what we do & they include us & are trying for us.
There's no kpop hype internationally though. It's only one group that has the number outside of Asian countries. That is what kpoppies cannot grasp. So their domestic fanbases are the only ones most idols need.
@@pennybleta9721 You're wrong. Kpop has grown a lot outside of Asia and it's not just one group. If you look at many groups that are extremely popular right now it's because their fans are international, not just Asia. Plus it's like anime anyway the who like it like it, not everyone gets but it's still extremely popular internationally.
@@minimochi2206 Whatever you say. Reality and actual numbers say otherwise. Only kpoppies are delusional and brainwashed to believe these nonsense. All the media play has affected your brain.
International fans are only important to them when it comes to buying their products other than that they don't care. That's why I think that only streaming their song is more than enough.
If people start treating their parents and family with the same respect and love they show to these idol who don't even care about there existence, the world would be 100 times better and happy place
parents are ugly 💀
Nothing but the truth!
As long as your family isn't toxic, I definitely agree
@@hrtsfrmnsg Also true
Facts.
As an international fan, ngl for certain idols sometimes it feels like we aren't part of the fandom in a way. I feel like we are only acknowledged when it comes to international or worldwide voting. Also some Korean fans aren't really accepting of international fans and don't consider them as part of the fandom. An example of this is when international fans are asking for subtitles in a video and some Korean fans would say that we should learn Korean instead of always asking for subtitles.
And there are a lot of differences between Korean and international fans. International fans are more open and accepting of the idols doing things that most Korean stans will find unacceptable. Another thing is Korean fans are overly possessive of the idols, treat them like gods, and like them too much that it starts to look like an obsession, unlike international fans who treat idols like normal people they idolize, they are fine with their idols dating and support them unless there is actually something wrong with the relationship. Most international fans also prioritize their life more than the idols. The downside to international fans is that whenever there is an issue some of them will come to a conclusion too quickly without actually double checking the accusations. Unlike Korean fans who will analyze every sentence and picture before coming to a conclusion. Also the multi-stan thing international fans are most likely fans of multiple groups while Korean fans are really dedicated to only one group. That's why a lot of groups especially new groups are super popular international but barely have Korean fans because a lot of them are already part of another fandom. Sometimes though it's the knets that is really toxic and not the fandom itself.
What I know from stanning kpop for the longest time is that,
International fans love cancelling every idol and threatening them and Korean fans are way too obsessive and disrespectful to idols online and in person.
International fans are most important as K-pop Artists want to break the global market, building up an international fanbase is necessary for that success. K- fans are conservative and quick to condemn their idols over the slightest thing, international fans are the most open & understanding, we don't cancel Artists, we are most supportive, we treat them like the normal human beings that they are 🇬🇧🌍💜❤️
I beg to differ. Having a solid fanbase in your country is far important I’d say. The international fans tend to move on from the fandom but kfans are mostly fans for life. And it gives them more opportunities to have a good solo career later once the group disbands. And have brand deals and endorsements.
And cancel culture is pretty bad among international fans too.
i would disagree that international fans 'don't cancel Artists', there are plenty of times that international fans have cancelled idols over things they've said or done. And I would definitly disagree that international fans treat idols like normal people - i wouldn't see people making ship edits and woobifying normal poeple. We treat them more like celebrities that we think are our best friends.
Global market is one thing but if they want to have long lasting career in the future, they have to have solid path in SK and kfans are the one who gave them that. Dont forget that once time passed, idols will have less overseas activities and focus their career back in SK. Im an interFan myself but i have to acknowledge kFan do have bigger portion in idols life. Most of idols loyal fans even support them back since trainee era and that is something interfans could rarely do
@@deanxzayn1408 A career as a kpop artist isn't one of longevity in the first place. Most groups barely last 7 years, and it's not too common for them to resign contracts for another seven years. Not to mention, K fans are much more quick to TURN on their idols over things that shouldn't even be their business in the first place. And at the end of the day, it comes down to MONEY, and who brings in more of that?? yeah.
If you manage to "take over" the korean market the group/artist will be just fine. You can look at TWICE, they're not huge overseas but they managed to be the #1 k-pop group in Japan and the albums sold there are comparable to the ones of the artists who are more popular in the states or uk. There's also dreamcatcher who are not doing incredibly well in the korean market but oversees are actually doing alright (i believe most of their fans are international or a huge chunk of it at least).
There's also a difference between the fans. Korean fans are more strict etc. whilst international fans just listen to the music and support without caring (most of them) about the "controversies" and what "they are supposed to do as an idol or not". International fans are more laid back, don't cancel or take part in the "fan wars" (again, most of them). They also view the members very differently than the korean fans.
I don't know why k-pop hasn't branched out into europe via tour. I feel like the first group that will go in most of europe's capitals will gain a lot of fans in that region.
Imagine feeling betrayed, because an Idol told his fans he loved them, when he had a girlfriend... Bruh, how someone cannot see the difference between love towards fans and girlfriend. This is making me maad, sorry
Loved the video thanks kookielit
I always find in interesting that Australian fans are never mentioned. We have a large Korean community due to the proximity. We have gotten into Kpop through friends and the easy availability of merch and albums. They’re pretty much our neighbours. But no one seems to put us into the equation.
are you not part of international fans? I don’t think anyone ever exclusively mentioned American fans or whatever so I don’t understand why you expect them to mention Australian fans
@@yesplatinum7956 oh no I meant the agencies. Not kookie.
@@yesplatinum7956 idols barely tour here. And if they do it’s never really promoted.we can get the merch. But we don’t seem to get the idols.
I’ve always found it baffling how there are many super popular Australian idols but no tours there. How awesome would it be to have a festival where all the Aussies performed in their home country.😍
Stray kids are going to Australia concert this Feb,in Melbourne and Sydney
Even thou I might not be able to ever meet or talk to my favourite idol groups, I'm fine with just silently supporting them and writing nice and encouraging messages on their Insta stories. Don't even know if they see or read them, but if there is just the chance that they might feel a bit better, from reading these messages, it's enough for me. I don't expect them to know who I am or remember my name. It's ok to just see them happy and help them fulfill their dreams.
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1000% this!
I'm from Europe.
As a 30 years old, who is a fan of kpop for 12 years, I had the pleasure to go to two (and no more) kpop concerts in my life. None of them were my favourite group or artist, I just liked them. I could not give ANY reasonable explanation why companies ignore the existence of Europe as a legit market for their concerts... Even South America is visited way more often than Europe! It's a joke that they advertise their World tours, but they skip entire continents...
But I guess we're still spoiled rotten compared to African countries, so... 🙄
The USA market is the most important to them I guess, which is crazy😭I'm from southafrica and we are hopeless.
Lol thank you for pointing out how non-existent Africa is to the K-pop industry. Wishing you better chances of seeing them some time in Europe someday
@@teenieweeniemimie 🌹
@@joicelovespink979 I didn't even think about going to concerts in SA because I just knew they wouldn't come here and I also knew it was gonna be way too expensive
@@lina-lana7479 😭
It drives me nuts how crazy a lot of Korean fans go when it comes to idols dating/getting married... They're humans, not our property.
and the opposite for international fans, it is crazy how far they ship idols, and make NSFW content
@@sexy_u so you're saying kfans ship themselves with the idol and international fans ship in/between groups?
@@HK-yb8op international fans taking shipping too far always lol
I will say living in Korea as a mixed Asian I can vibe with both local kfans and Intfans. But I will say !!! When it comes to organised events kfandoms are elite ! The amount of events and clubs here for my fandom that kfans have so well structured 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Japan (where I live) is more like Korea than int, japanese fans don't joke around with promotions, they cover the cities in the idols' face whenever there's a comeback, there's radio announcements, ads in train station, it's a whole event. I still prefer the int community because they tend to humanize the idols more, but I don't think it's fair people say JP/KOR fans don't make an effort
@@Anasvet28 exactly!!! like I get random Line or KKT messages asking about group buy ins for billboards an signage ..adverts lol.. love it.
@@Anasvet28 um does that mean fans and fanclubs are doing free advertisement for these groups when their companies have full on marketing teams and budgets?? kinda crazy if you think about it. No way I'd be spending my own hard earned cash to do the company's job. These idols make waay more than me over their career span anyways. Honestly if that's the case then these kpop companies are even more exploitative -not only exploitative of their employees but also their own consumers
@@LovelyLittleLillies well you definitely don't have to contribute to any fan event. I don't think it's even easy. They are very closed communities. But paying for ads and billboards it's very much part of fan culture here. For both famous and non famous groups. Everywhere you walk in Tokyo there are ads for all kinds of groups. A lot of these fans have a lot of money and they decide it to spend it that way amongst other things. I don't see it as bad thing and it's fun to meet people in the fan made events like pop up themed cafes and stuff:) not everything has to be negative, it's ok to have fun with it
@@Anasvet28 exactly.....no one has to do anything they make choice to be a financial fan because they can afford it
One thing I like to watch is the growing comparison between groups who become popular domestically and those that start out growing popular internationally.
I also feel very privileged to live in the US and to get so much as a fan here, but I still often have to travel far to get to the concerts that are even here. The concerts may still happen within the same country, but it's still a two or three day drive to the closet concert venues my favs have performed at.
I'll never understand why the parasocial relationship in Korean fans is that toxic. When I first became and EXO-L and got to know Chen was cancelled by getting married I was like "What the hell?" I couldn't believe it, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Oh that was so heartbreaking...wasn't it? I adore Chen and the rest of the members of EXO. They are the first unit that got me into this genre of music. They are still my number one! :) So when I logged online and saw the headlines to many articles and videos mentioning all the hate, it just broke my heart. No one but he and his wife should have the power to dictate how they choose to live or when they bring a child into the world. It should be a celebrated and happy occasion and those who say they love him should genuinely be happy for him. The guy deserves happiness and I honestly believe he should have received more love and congratulations rather than the hate he got. I can only hope as a fan that that he was able to feel that love and support shine through all the hate he received.
I'm an international fan of k-pop idols but let's not take sides either international or kfans both sides have toxic & non-toxic fans. Obsessive fans just need to work on themselves not to fight each other and about memberships the agencies need to work upon it for international fans not just to give privileges to domestic fans
FACTS
American fans are more rowdy at concerts than Korean fans. Americans don't get upset when K-pop artists (or other artists)dancing are not perfect on stage. We really don't care like others do, that is why most American musicians don't really dance on stage during a performance.
I am a big multistan. I listen to over 100 groups and I'm in over 40 of those fandoms, though of course I have my favorite 5 groups that I give more attention to and EXO and Stray Kids are the only ones that I vote for when it comes time for that. I just can't see how people can only listen to 1 group. There are so many good groups/solo artists that it is impossible for me to like just one. That being said, I have been attacked by korean kpop fans for being a multi on various platforms. I spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars a month on various albums and merch and do my best to support everyone that I listen to. Multistans don't deserve the hate at all.
Wow! I could never👏 listen to many,really really Love Exo,Got7 and xg but when it comes to money everything goes to B.I😭😂
@@joicelovespink979 lol I bought B.I's newest album. it's soo good. I also love Got7! The most recent group that I have started stanning is Forestella
Same. I am a fan of just as many of not more groups, but I rarely claim fandoms, but I'm still a fan.
I'll never get how people can just stick to 1, 2 or 3 groups. They're missing out on a lot of talent and great songs
@@LovelyKissess exactly!
@@KayPopKraze i'm korean.I used papago.
Koreans listen to various groups of songs. In particular, Koreans listen to songs charted in the melon top 100 and girl idol songs regardless of the group, and Koreans listen to only a few group songs that they are interested in when they listen to boy idol songs. Fandom activities mean that you work hard on all the fan activities for that group, and that doesn't mean that you don't listen to other groups' songs.
For example, Korean fans participate in pre-recordings of music shows when idols make a comeback, participate in concerts, held many idol birthday cafe,to participate in an exhibition and stream Melon very hard when they make a comeback.They listen to songs over thousands of times. There are many fans who buy more than 50 to 100 albums . Of course, They also buy most kinds of merchandise. Because Korean fandom spends a lot of money and time on fan activities, they only do 1~3 fandom activities.
aren't girlgroups generally more popular in korea tho?? like they chart better and are more talked about, i thought boygroups were more popular internationally than in korea
I was thinking exactly the same.
Charting better doesn't mean they have more fans. Just that their music is good 💀
No
@@guisas123 them charting better means more ppl are listening to them tho 💀
I doubt it K-pop is really dominated by men I doubt girl groups are that popular
I'm just waiting for kpop companies to realize the world doesn't just consist of Asia and the US.
K fans r so lucky bcz they can meet their fav idols anytime its really easy for them meanwhile i fans have to wait for concert just to meet them and not all of i fans could attend concert so its really tough for i fans to see or meet their idols
Tbh idc about seeing my idols i only care about music, it's not like you will develop some kind of relationship with them
You can easily just go to Korea if you would like to meet them. Several fans travel for it. Korea is very fun the content there is by far more fun than abroad and cheaper. I've never understood people who say they have to wait.
If you're too young then yeah absolutely sure. If you have other commitments yeah absolutely sure. I see people with jobs and who have time off and just never use it and will say these same things like oh my idol never tours here etc... then just go to them lol.
World tours rarely go many places in Europe because different countries have different laws regarding the distribution, storage, and production of merch sold in their borders and that just makes it reallu challenging for production companies to make money there
The worst part about being an I-fan is that if an idol does a livestream, you will lose sleep when they do it
I think the big difference is Korean fans cling to their idols like idols n not regular people whereas international fans are more aware of needing space n being human, having emotions etc.
Ever Heared of Never Meet Your Hero. I'll stick to that, thank you very much!
I'd rather see them from afar than super close to the point that i experience those toxic people surrounding my IDOLS.
As a European fan of SKZ, It's not just the lack of concerts in the UE/UK is a problem :( Buying albums and official merch in Europe is VERY expensive. SKZ has a distributor in the USA, Japan and of course in Korea too. But I live in Europe and I have to buy either from Korea or from local kpop shops that buy and import albums from Korea.... It costs a lot...I'm already used to the fact that fans from Europe, South America and Africa are the worst kind of fans for the Kpop industry.
*Cries in Bangladeshi* most of the people don't even know that we exist, also kpop isn't really famous here so it's almost impossible to buy official merch or albums from local shops 😭
Why fans from these countries are worst just wanna know though
@@QT.Liiknow dang I'm from India i thought it's very famous in Bangladesh
@@kiki-1428 not really, it's mostly BTS and BP who are really popular here, but the fans are mostly kids who are under 15(I have seen many 6-10 years old fans (Army/blink) in my school and fighting with each other saying Bts is better than bp or vice versa). Finding a fan who stans other groups rather than bts and bp is really hard here (ig in India too)
@@QT.Liiknow yeah i agree i mean most of fans are self proclaimed v ki dulhaniya (brides ) like on online i met some Stans but offline meh it's hard i mean bts or some popular grp trend on twitter in india almost everyday
i wish they would let us pay for meet and greet not just out of luck but nevertheless its okay
There would be so much demand that it would be very expensive not to mention potentially dangerous for idols
@@JoannaEve yeah I do agree but I mean like high touch and other things but I do get it it would be super chaotic super safe
it's not random though
no cus when i first got into kpop thats how I thought it worked for an entire year
Wait they don't pay to meet their idols?!
As a European fan I don't think we ask for too much...
I mean kfans get offended when we ask an idol to say hi in english, but it's okay to tell us to learn korean?
Albums and other merchandise are really expensive here, and, damn, a lot of us are broke. I usually don't even buy official merchandise other than albums, because it just costs too much.
The controversies are really according to culture and raising. For example here in my country racism is not taken seriously, and probably that's why I feel like a lot of time these kinds of things are overreacted. I don't mean to hurt anyone, but there, in Korea, a lot of people probably don't even know other cultures, and most of the times they don't meant to be rude. And ofc everyone knows how most korean fans overreact dating, cursing, or just how the idols look. (I mean ik the kbs is kinda part of their culture but it's so strict and it's just their look, and everyone has a preference, what they think is pretty, and what they think is not. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think kbs should be taken THAT seriously)
And the so called world tours shouldn't be called world tours, only if they are really world tours. Imo MCND did the right thing, they made a Europe tour and an American tour, and I think that's how it should go also whit other continents. (I believe they only went to North America but at least they noticed that Europe exists)
Just a reminder to everyone that this is a generalisation and not ALL Knetz are the stereotype, and neither are ALL international fans. I've seen a lot of people assuming all Knetz are harsh and horrible which isn't true, so just remember to be polite, OK? :)
Thank you as korean
@@hihi-po2tb I'm Korean too which is maybe why it irks me more than most haha, but I don't think I count as a Knetz because I'm a 교포 so I don't live in Korea. Still, I see Knetz being demonised a lot, and I don't think it's fair to lump any group of people together and force them into a negative light because of the worst people in the group. You're welcome though! :)
The difference is huge
I just wanted to clarify that driving intoxicated isn’t a “mistake” that anyone can make. That is something people should be held accountable for no matter where they are. Now is it something they can learn from and do better yes, but it isn’t a mistake
Seriously! It’s literally a crime
International fans also tend to understand and be there for their idol while Korean fans tend to be really possessive and obsessed over their idol and hate and judge them they tend to care more about their weight and beauty while international fans support their idols.
Companies see international fans as money-making machines, but korean fans help to win all the important and prestigious awards
I fan can vote though, especially on MAMA,Seoul etc
THANK YOU for bringing up the world tour issue.. of course kpop is huge in Europe! I don’t know why companies has even doubts about it…
Not even to mention South America…
They are just losing money on not going to those places… you have no idea how frustrated it is to know that all the time they are going to every single city in the us and nothing in Europe
If there is one fandom that is the definition of parasocial relationship, it’s the Kpop fandom. It makes me sad because I know they can do better. Why can’t we let celebrities have love in their personal life? Kpop idols being unable to do so just encourages people’s jealousy and jealousy isn’t your friend. It’s part of the negativity that feeds on you.
5:52 by the way, only 4 people showed up to that protest. The actual in-person protests in Korea aren't as big as this video is making them out to be. People stop supporting their idols if they disagree with them, and they usually write negative things online, but they don't often protest in person.
Australia and New Zealand are lucky to get included on a tour too - the usually do Sydney and occasionally Melbourne and neglect the rest. I’m spending $1200 on flights alone to see skz
@kpopfan very true - there’s actually heaps of demand in Perth but we are so isolated that it makes it really expensive for them to bring people and equipment over here
I'm just being normal fan, Hearing their music and hope my bias healthy and happy, i don't care their private life. I'm not the type fan like Eminem said on his song STAN
Koreans fans help to win daesang and music show win and getting pak, rak. Example ive,aespa,new jeans...international fans help
Cannot help to win daesang and pak rak. Just help to win music show 50%. But they help to make that group popular worldwide like bp.bp dont have daesang and many music show win but they are more popular then some daesang win groups. Also they were 2 years hiatus But their popularity was still same
For me calling yourself a fan while also denying them their own happiness, dont go hand in hand.
The difference is :
kfans : need to go outside and touch some grass
ifans : need to stop babying those idols, they are probably not who you expect in real life
In conclusion they both need reality checks.
We should treat celebrities as normal people cos they are.. the truth is many kpop fans are obsessed over idols, in pop culture celebs are now getting normalized by internet and i'm here for it ..they can date if they want they can curse, anything ...ya it's sounds mess but tht how normal human beings 🙂
As someone in Kpop fan groups all over the internet if Girls lead the market internationally it's a small lead. Groups are completely overwhelmed by boy band fans.
I agree with everything in this video, everywhere from korean fans being angry at people dating and getting married, to international fans demanding a appology for cultral appropration. Also international fans can only ever see their idols at concerts and there so called 'world tours' wich ends up only being korea, japan and the us. Also for korean fans only really only liking one group, and international fans being multi-stans.
I hope they will come to europe more because flying is not easy for me
I feel like lately every idol spend their time in Paris for fashion events. There's even a concert in Feb gathering different artists like, Chung ha, BTOB...
@@LemonRose59 wish I could go but it is to far from my home😅
The amount of intl stans who have superiority complex in this comment section like non koreans fans are never toxic, posessive, fetishazing and infantalizing to their faves 💀
What I'll say is, most of the features of korean fandoms is also related to Korea's culture and attitudes many international fans just cant think of or cant understand
International and Korean stans just need to fight it out like Sechskies and H.O.T fans did back in the days to determine who's the best once and for all.
It’s as if both international and Korean fans balance each other out LOL. The things we (international fans) see as problematic doesn’t seem to be problematic to Korean fans while it’s vice versa for them. It’s interesting but sometimes scary, and it goes both way.
I am from California USA and I am not a big girl group fan...The boy groups are more popular by far out here. When I first heard of kpop, it was EXO and Super Junior. I didn't know any girl groups until I got big into EXO in 2014. Most kids in my area listen to Stray Kids and NCT and Wayv
Ive noticed that too, girl groups are more popular in Asia while boy groups are more known internationally
@@catarinavalentine1026 it's not just internationally. Boy groups objectively are more popular everywhere lol. The genre has always been boy group dominated. This was like the first year where I think girl groups were neck and neck with boy groups... and even then it wasn't by a huge margin. Definitely yes though boy groups are by far more popular abroad though.
Imagine being single forever and alone because your fans don’t want you to be happy and just want to feed their fantasies.
While these fans are crushing on multiple idols, dating, getting married and having kids
No one expects them to be single forever but they should not date for like the first 3 years at minimum
@@giselleakgae4100 huh?? They should be happen to date whoever that what…
I live in the United States and worst I live in Florida where Kpop stars rarely come too. You think when Kpop stars have U.S tours you'll think they would perform all around United States, but no. A lot of Kpop stars only perform in less than six states and it always the same states. No matter how much us U.S fans complain on social media it never chnages.
Well, at least you are only 4 hours maximum away…
For us is a hassle
@@bethaniaaa Actually Kpop groups don't come to Floridab as much you must think. Plus not every Florida Kpop fans has money to travel to Georgia
@@Cafelee12 I know they don’t go to Florida, I meant at least you can fly to Atlanta or other areas easier than everybody else’s, as it’s not easy to simply just to go to us
@@bethaniaaa Not really buying plane tickets, and buying hotel rooms in Atlanta is not that cheap because Atlanta is a tourist city. Plus I dont live 4 hours away from Atlanta. I'm almost 10 hours away from Atlanta Georgia. Also where are you from ?
@@Cafelee12 Europe!
I have heard a lot abt Knetz being possesive/stalking overly idols. But now its being a trend, not saying all but still nowadays inetz to do those..
Korean fans and international stans are different first by what they call themselves. Fan vs Stan
Korean fans also leave things alone once proven false. International stans use the "it's my opinion" "they were paid off" "So what. I still don't like them" as an excuse to continuously hate and bully idols. International stans will also believe any rumor told just to jump on a hate train and they'll add extra rumors to it just to keep the hate alive. Should we have a talk about Woojin?
Korean fans have the chance to stalk, and hurt idols. International stans use words to hurt them because they can't do anything else. Let idols move to America while promoting. You'll see false accusations against idols sky rocket
Korean fans are strict because of cultural differences. While international stans are angry, jealous, petty, controlling, mean, aggressive and everything else for the sake of drama and "being woke"
Kpop fans in general are worrying. They'll put their own lives on hold just to worry about what another HUMAN is doing. A lot of them can't function properly if they can't see or hear an idol. They need said idol to be perfect for their fantasy. They need said idol to be perfect because they themselves can't be. It's sad
Kpop has brought out the worst in a lot of people. Only some are aware of this and we're brave enough to admit it
Kpop needs to go back to focusing on Asia only. They'll be just fine with the support from China and Japan. They'll have less drama if they cut the United States off. Trust me
ALSO, older international fans were better. Kpop use to be fun before 2019
@@LovelyKissess yeah.... I have been into kpop since 2nd gen. It was a million times better than it is now and less toxic. At the present, it is just like a mess with piles of false accusations and cyberbullying🤦♂️. As you said, I also noticed that kpop fandoms become very toxic starting from around 2018/2019 when its influence began to drastically rise in western countries because of BTS.....
@@123legend I miss those old days. I came at the start of 3rd gen and it was so peaceful. Everyone who seems to live off of drama came and made kpop a torture chamber and because they themselves enjoy it, they don't see it as something bad
Yes, there are so many false accusations in kpop now. So much more than there was before. And the cyber bullying is just crazy. It never ends
One thing I always say is, Bts paved the way for toxicity
The group itself is cool, but they opened the door for all of the toxicity we now have
When I was ten I used to gatekeep kpop because of psy smash hit song. I really do miss the old days. I mostly miss infinite
@@JaxBox1 I miss them too. The bad part is that people don't even treat kpop like music anymore, they treat it like a lifestyle that they're living. It's too personal for most now
The biggest difference is that K-fans have an ingrained toxic culture of being possessive and extremely critical.
Whereas I-fans have the least bit of sensitivity to actual cultural norms, a deluded sense of morality and feminism and of course the instant cancel culture trend.
In the end, not so different. Toxic fans will be toxic fans regardless of where they’re from. Good fans will be good fans regardless of where they’re from.
I don't necessarily agree with the "possessive" culture of korean fans necessarily as they are just in the same country and are able to support more. There's so much that ifans don't actually understand it's actually a bit incredible, but I'm not surprised. Ifans have this huge bias towards kfans becasue kpop articles always report on knetz because it's just a low-hanging fruit and gets clicks and has now made ifans have a biased opinion against kfans.
I'll tell you all the times I've been to Korea I've met the bad and the good sides. I've unfortunately on accident have befriended sasaengs (thankfully dropped them when I discovered their behavior) but the vast VAST majority of korean fans I've befriended have been the most caring people I've ever met super welcoming too.
A bunch of us set up a fan cafe for supporting a group and one of the girls who was doing the most setup didn't sleep for 3 days. She was still attending broadcasts during promotions and I saw her taking a nap next to me at music bank (since music bank is seated) and I would wake her up when our group came on and she would cheer then nap again. This was all for her planning this cafe and her school work and also attending promotions. Korean fans are extremely dedicated and supportive people they just don't want their idol to have a potentially negative image in the public's eye because that would affect their future after being an idol if they went into acting for example. Koreans think long term. Ifans just don't care which is fine.. but that's the thing they don't care so much about what an idol does that they also don't care about how it would affect them. This is the part that people don't understand.
All in all with that aside though I agree with your points
I agree - and good analysis. FYI: I’m an older kpop fan who grew up during the MTV generation in the US. I became a fan of kpop in 2009 when I randomly came across a music video and was impressed with the choreography and production quality. I’ve followed almost exclusively female groups as they seem more interesting and their performances are more creative and appealing. Some things that still vex me about kpop are the dating ban (for adult idols), the strict beauty standards (some take plastic surgery too far), and the overreaction regarding everything they do or say. It’s ok to be critical, just don’t be psycho. Half these performers are minors who should still be picking their nose in high school - so just chill.
K fans are more likely to have saesangs in their midst. International fans can have some saesangs , too, but it's less likely because an international saesangs would also have to haveoney, time to travel to follow the idol around .
Idk how that im about to say have to do anything with the video but i feel like kfans are these who hate to see idols dating and likes to make a problem with idols who gives “signs of dating”( just like Winter’s situation.. kfans make a problem for that she is looking “too much” in her phone which considered to them means she is dating someone.. and situations like that happens a lot with male idols) but international fans are these who would love to see their idols dating but in other hand they make a lot of ships and make idols feel uncomfortable with each other.. that’s my point of view
K fans can not bear especially the arrogant attitudes of any idol. It makes kpop idols humble and kind no matter how they are popular or big. I think k fans are making kpop industry stronger and more sustainable.
The topic of concert locations fits the pool meme. East Asia and the US happily playing with the mum, Europe and Canada holding on for dear life and the rest of the world is just dead.
Koreans fans should be more lenient with their idols, BUT international fans should stop criticizing Korean culture like the beauty standards or they should stop making excuses for their idols when they do something wrong
I agree 100%
Most international fans have set aside their old mindset and come to respect the beauty standard. Such as, embracing femininity, wearing makeup, clean shaven men, straight guys with crop tops, etc. but the only problem we have with beauty standard is the white washing. I will never respect a colorist standard. Especially not as a person of color.
I’m not trying to hate but I’m just being honest. I mostly see the Korean fans defending their idols when something happens. For example, fat shaming. It’s unfortunately a part of the culture in Korea. Or when someone does culture appropriation or says something racist. The k fans will most likely be the first to defend them bc these issues are very much stemmed from western culture and progressive movements. But yes, I’m 100% sure that there are many iFans who defend their idols unacceptable behavior.
It’s ok to have fans in different area codes 😉😉😉
The reason why you don’t see as many artists go to Europe is because of Two big factors: 1.) location-getting there is a lot harder compared to North America and probably with the Ukraine conflict, flying over or near Russia is a no go (it’s still possible to go to Europe from Korea Ofc, but getting there is harder compared to North America or other Asian countries). 2.) visas/touring-since Europe is many smaller countries and yes there is the EU but there’s probably different rules for each country with touring/music visas. Ofc it’s possible (ie blackpink) but it’s a lot harder compared to touring in North America. So agencies have to really commit and put in a lot more work for Europe concerts compared to other countries.
wait why is it harder to get there when europe is closer?
Are these actual facts? Cause this sounds like just some theories
As a Korean I think international fans are funnier and produce better content (like crackhead videos) and even the RUclips comments the english ones are more interesting. As for the privileged question, its kind of weird. I mean yeah korean fans have more access because k-pop is in Korea obviously. Are American NBA fans or Hollywood fans called privileged because they have more access?
I don't know if this is specifically a difference between international and Korean fans or a different issue, but I've noticed that certain fans are quick to call an idol's treatment disrespectful. Like in the US celebrities get asked about their dating lives and controversies they have had all the time. Sometimes they choose not to talk about those things, but asking the questions is usually not thought of as disrespectful or rude. When kpop idols come to America and get asked the same types of questions it's suddenly seen as disrespectful, rude or xenophobic. The same thing happens sometimes when it comes to jokes. When talk show hosts make jokes or celebrities take part in comedy skits about themselves we all laugh, when it happens with idols it's disrespectful.
I've been wondering about this behavior for a while.
Kfans gravitate towards boy groups? Nah, they can't even make them chart :(
But they have longevity
One thing that saddens me is that no kpop artists come to Africa!!!
There's a looooooooot of kpop stans here like a lot of stans.
There definitely isn't...
@@karinasnooodles_ oh but there is!
Korean fans see thing from their cultural point of view,,,
What I do appreciate about korean fans is that they are more critical of a groups work. International fans suck up everything no matter how good or bad it is once they stan a group. Easy way for the agencies to make a quick buck, because the money will be coming in anyway.
Didnt koreans do the same? For example the song is not that good but still can chart on Kchart?
As an international fan in my fandom, I am grateful for Korean fans in our group. They are the boots on the ground--they provide the gifts, food, whatever our favorite group needs or events because they are the ones present there. I'm also grateful for those who translate and sub news and variety show appearances. I'm also grateful for the international stans who taught me to vote and stream and get out favorite group music show wins. Overall, I can say my fandom group is a well-oiled machine, with everybody doing what they need to do to help our favorite group succeed.
It’s the way everyone forgets that Africa is also a continent and K-pop groups also have African fans….smh
i am a explained fan and i love bts twice blackpink straykids
I hate the fact that if I say i don’t really like kpop because I don’t really listen to their music or its just its not my type of music and people call me a hater and since im korean myself people would think im insane :(
I wouldn't say a DUI is a mistake that can happen to anyone. It's a very dangerous choice.
I remember looking at the prices of a BLACKPINK concert in Europe(where I'm from),just out of curiosity,and I almost fell of the chair of how pricy it was the concert.When KPOP idols have concerts outside of the american continent(which is truly weird to concerts to happen to be outside of U.S.A,unless if it's their neighbourds of the north,Canada),it's usually extremly pricey,so a lot of fans can't go to the concerts they want.
I’ve paid less than £200…
You need buy the tickets as soon as they release otherwise there’s only reselling left
@@bethaniaaa Well the thing is that I looked It up to the concerts they were doing where I live,and it was +200 dollars
@@karinasnooodles_ I understand that you don't enjoy their music,but damn to the point of saying that...hate is never the answer
They came to my city in America but I didn’t go. The tickets were SO freaking expensive. The highest ones were like $2000+. The cheapest were like $210 I think. Which is still expensive but since blackpink is so popular, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand there’s skz. I love stray kids so much, no hate to them. I blame their team for making the tickets so expensive. Like they’re not BTS (by that I mean that they’re not the most popular group in all of kpop. That’s was not supposed to meant they’re not talented bc they are so talented.) why the frick are their most expensive tickets $4000. The cheapest are like $260-$280. And the $200 ones are like the farthest sections from the front. At any regular concert your cheapest ticket cost around $50 or $60.
This video was very educational yoo bad ppl took as an opportunity to hate on korean citizens. Forgetting that their idols have the same values when the camera is off.
opinions are often affected by the culture so of course different people with different backgrounds and cultures will have vastly different opinions
Completely
I'm a k pop stan living in the Caribbean it way harder for us here💀I don't think most idols even know my country ( jamaica🇯🇲)exist🥲if we wanna see our favs we would have to travel which would be hella expensive 🥲
"idols don't go as often to europe"
*Cries in South America*
Cries in south africa
As a European K-pop fan, I know what it’s like to not have any K-pop group come to ur county and if they do they tend to go to the capital and as I live in the other side of the county to the capital city, it’s even harder knowing they are in the county but I can’t see them. Blackpink cane one to my county, had in concert and then left. Nit helping the fact that came in a Wednesday is u could not go see them anyway. It suck’s 😭😭😭
As an international fan i should say korean people haven't global education enough 💀 I think the non korean people are the only one who can see how strict the culture specially beauty standards...i really disgust how young idols got sexualized and also colourism😖
Yes sadly
Let's be honest here. Korea is not the only place that deals with colorism.
this isn't a Korea thing though?
Also ifans don't even attempt to really learn about Korean culture but will just crucify it without trying to understand it.
I won't disregard some things that Korea does though because the debuting young idols thing has always been weird to me.
You're saying that Koreans shouldn't hold their idols to a standard though to remain professional? If people want to see idols who don't act professional or with tact they can just go look at artists in the west lol. It's just so strange. Ifans will crucify Koreans for wanting their idol to remain in a positive professional image because that is what is good for the longevity of their career far past them being just an idol but if they go into acting afterwards... and ifans by that point will have just moved on to the next new group that shows up. This is why multifandom is way more popular with ifans than kfans.
To say that korean people aren't educated "enough" though is so weird. Maybe all of us ifans should actually try to educate ourselves on Korean culture instead of just not trying to understand it and writing it off and saying it's just bad.. lets not forget that our idols are from that country lol.
KOREAN FANS ARE LIKE TOO MUCH DEDICATED TO KPOP... IT'S LIKE A PART OF THEIR CULTURE... KPOP IS THE WAY(ALONG WITH KDRAMA) KOREA IS PRESENTED TO WORLD....AND WE ALL KNOW HOW IMAGE CONSCIOUS KOREANS ARE....SO, THEY WANT EVERYTHING TO BE PERFECT ABOUT IDOLS....
One thing u said wrong is, "korean fans r too much dedicated to kpop", which is absolutely wrong. U should go to korea and ask people if they even care about kpop. Their answer will be "NO".
@@NekoKei_FEARNOTexactly! i feel like it’s international fans that are too dedicated
@@NekoKei_FEARNOT I didn't k public...I said Kfans,, who stan kpop..like remember 2nd fights for idols or beffs
@@lindsvy korean fans are more...but ifans are just noisy
@@bryce1616 Most idol groups do not have any fanbases outside of Asia. It's only one group that does. And most groups fans outside of Korea are kpop stans not dedicated to one group except that group which is the only one with actual numbers outside of Asia for a reason. Also your side of the fandom is too obsessed with the idols and treat them like the manufactured puppets on stage they are. Which is perpetuated and driven by their companies especially Medium 3. Thank God I don't belong to kpop fandoms like these. In fact I don't consider our fandom a kpop one. Also I do agree with you on idols with no values like Criminal bang but I don't agree on treating them like your personal dolls. They are grown adults and like all other people they need to have a personal life outside of their work like all normal people do. They are not your possessions..And I won't say anything about your beauty standards but to me as an outsider it seems to me that you are ashamed of your own characteristics and culture and also promoting unhealthy body images as a health professional.
Blackpink got so much love and attention in their Europe tour. (Paris is literally obsessed with BP) Hope this persuades other groups to hold world tour there too.
I want to give people some advice when their idol is caught up in some incident where people get mad. Do not engage with the antis ; ever, because it’s going to get a lot worse.
Sometimes, I find it unfair for international fans, not seeing their biases in a their favorite or favorite group if they disband or leave their groups so early or late in their career.
(No hate please)
As Korean society that more collectivist compared to the west that more individualistic oriented
I know the Korean fandom have really strong solidarity in fandom circle and they get better access to the exclusive fan club
In the other side , the collectivism mentality also breeds a toxic concept of idol belongs to the fans , which makes idol having a difficulty to having an individual rights for themselves such as right for dating or married as they demanded to prioritize public expectation over their individual right (( this also no exception in Japanese entertainment landscape as well ))
It just my opinion but you brought out "international fans" but only using USA flag while other countries fans also consider as international fans. Maybe you could changes it into world or any other symbol, bcs this world not just USA