Are Seventh-day Adventists true Christians or part of the cults?
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- This clip is from our series "Interview with Dr. Walter Martin on Cults".
This clip answers the question: What about Ellen G. White, one of the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventists, was she guilty of plagiarism in her writings? Did she utter false prophecies? Are the Seventh-day Adventists part of the cults? What makes the difference?
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We are not under Law, but under Grace. Keeping a holy day, whether it be Saturday or Sunday is anathema to God. "..let no man judge you in meat, or drink, or of a holy day, or of the Sabbath day..". It is law, or it is grace. You cannot mix the two. We live today in the dispensation of Grace. God's law program was in Ages Past. God's program today is Grace without the works of the law.
Every SDA should read the following:
"Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D. M. Canright, 1914 for a thorough biblical rebuttal of Adventist teachings and insight to EGW background history.
I also highly recommend folk read The Four Major Cults: Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventism by Anthony A. Hoekema
@broadaorb.... Are you saying a person must keep the Sabbath to be saved?.. If so, where is that in the Bible?
If not for the commandments I would not know what sin is,
The law is a schoolmaster, but once you have faith your no longer under the schoolmaster.
I didn't get any response from anyone showing me that Ellen White was a false prophet and she goes against the scripture. The teachings are based on the Bible not on her books. In fact SHE'S saying that her writing is not above the scriptures. Any mature adult with half a brain can read her books and scrutinise next to the bible, if it's against scriptures than don't take in consideration!
And one more thing, I came out of the Christian fundamental church. Basically, I was baptist in my background. Let me tell you, as one who believes in Christ and the Advent movement, I have had a much richer, more abundant life than I ever had before. BY the way - Seventh day = Sabbath, Advent means we believe in Christs return. We are not "SDA". We are Seventh Day Adventists!
SDA and Seventh Day Adventists 6 of one, half a dozen of another.
Yes they are! In fact, it is the only Christian denomination that upholds the truth of the bible, compare to other so called Christians.
Oh be quit!! I have been an SDA for 25 years and I know for a fact it is the same le
vel as Jehovas Witness
mattjestic1 Does your comment means that you are still an SDA?
God bless.
Lol ok bro tell me what I know and don't know, go read your fundamental beliefs and go read where it says your prophet is the continuation and authoritative truth. If you don't understand that my friend,than it is you who can't read..so shut your mouth and go learn your bible
Forgive me for my rude comment I left earlier...just got out of an argument with a loved one...was a bit heated up
Lol we all do
God will judge Ellen White and not man, so as me. I do not worship E.G.White or Pope or anyone on earth. Professor E.G.White was a writer, a human writer. If her writings do not go against the Bible I would rather burn them but I understand the Bible clearly after reading some of the E.G.W writings. Now, you tell me which writer does better on biblical matters than E.G.W. Is there is any. I never come across any prolific writer and by our modern standard, she could be a professor in that field. After all, I believe in God, not any human.
Ken Ail amen!
Pls check the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of SDA and let me know if there is a teaching that is NOT Bible-based. There is NO single EGW teaching in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. She is NOT above the Bible and not ranking equal to Jesus. During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and over 40 books. As of 2015 more than 100 White titles are available in English, including compilations from her 100,000 pages of manuscript. Her writings are translated to 140 languages.
I really miss Doctor Martin. I used to listen to him on my car radio on the way home from work. Learned a great deal!
Being from an Adventist background, I'm well aware of the Adventist position on the Sabbath & how IMPORTANT Sabbath keeping is for the remnant & end time Christians. But I'm at a loss to understand WHY the New Testament never brings it out with great clarity so it was left to Ellen White to do it. The NT is the Bible & EGW is NOT! Also with such a secular/anti-religion agenda in America now & a weak Catholic Church, I can't see how Sunday law could get passed by Democrats, atheists, liberals etc
The interviewee is WOEFULLY incorrect. For instance his Statement about Desmond Ford. Yes,DF was let go of his position at the General Conference, however, the interviewee states that he is not Adventist anymore. This is patently FALSE. He is still a member, and he still keeps the Sabbath. So, how does that help his argument? The differences between the GC and DF were doctrinal teachings having nothing to do with the foundational tenets of Adventism - keep The Commandments and Faith in Jesus.
@TheSukahina Thank you for watching the video. I'm not sure what you're asking. -JAS Staff
Amen, amen! May God richly bless your ministry. One down and 17 million to go. John 5:24 Most assuredly I say unto you, He that hears my word and believes on him who sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death into life.
2Cor.5:17-21 and Rom.5
a whole generation of youth just picked up and left that church, and i don't blame them. Jesus is my sabbath as well as my commandments.
brother, WE DO NOT TEACH that only SDA members will be saved. please do not think that adventist keep the sabbath to be saved. rather think that we keep the sabbath for we are saved through the grace of Jesus Christ through our faith in Him and because we were saved, we follow Him.
also, brother, please do not think that adventists do not come to Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. in fact, we always need Jesus every time for guidance. also without Him our sins will never be forgiven.
The Bible says that when He comes He will reward us (Revelation 22:12) "according as his work shall be." But we aren't saved by those works, we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
Okay then answer me this:
In the Bible, Jesus himself described in graphic detail the reality of eternal torment in Hell where the fire is never quenched and the worm does not die.
Now contrary to the Bible, Ellen White teaches the unbiblical doctrine of soul-sleep, which claims that there is no such place as Hell.
Well...one of them's got to be wrong. So answer me this: WHO WAS WRONG? JESUS CHRIST?? OR ELLEN WHITE???
I am always appalled at the lack of Bible knowledge of non Adventists.
Look at the word fulfilled in Matthew. 1:22,23; 2:15,17,23; 3:15; 4:14-16; 8:17; 12:17-21; 3:14,15; 21:4,5; 26:53,54,56; 27:9,10
John 19:28-30 Jesus, knowing that all things were accomplished, that the scriptures might be fulfilled...It Is Finished (6th day. Gen.2:1)
Luke 18:31 all things shall be accomplished
Luke 24:27,44,45 that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law and prophets
We need more pioneers like this to expose false religions
They don't observe it according to the instructions in the bible. Not working your normal job on saturday, or choosing to go to church doesn't really mean you are keeping the sabbath.
Desmond Ford was right about the doctrine of the sanctuary and the doctrine of 1844 not being supported using the Historicist method of interpretation. However the Seventh day Adventist church does not use that same method of interpretation this argument is invalid. It would be like saying to an Evangelical christian that the Antichrist is not a man who will rule for 7 years in the future because, according to the Preterist method of interpretation, the Antichrist was the Greek king Antiochus Epiphanes. Because evangelical Christians teach that the Antichrist wasn't Antiochus Epiphanes, but rather a future individual, then all evangelicals are wrong and should be considered a cult. This argument is invalid because most evangelical denominations use futurism as their method of interpretation and not Preterism. The same applies to Seventh day Adventists. You can not accuse them based on this reasoning or you end up caught in your own snare.
Can you believe a man accusing someone else of falsehood and misleading when he himself is obviously trying to fool you into thinking he is not wearing a toupe?
Dude even Ellen G white said she was not above the scripture
So? She said she was the one spoken of in Hebrews 1:1-2, ellen white is a false prophet.
a. Ellen White believed in the certainty of false prophets:
(1) They will arise (2SM 392).
(2) There will be many false prophets and many will be deceived (2SM 72, 392).
(3) As the end approaches, their numbers will increase, both in the U.S.A. and in other countries (RH, 25 May 1905; 2SM 72; Ev 610).
(4) Many of these false prophets will be genuinely sincere, not at all a hoax and a fraud (2SM 72).
A. The alleged disclaimer
1. On Sabbath, 1 October 1904, while preaching in the Battle Creek Tabernacle to an audience estimated at 2,500 to 3,000 people, and the next day, Sunday, speaking to about 2,000 people, she made a remark to the effect that she had never claimed to be a prophet.
C. The clarification
1. She stated that she had never claimed the title of prophet.
2. But, equally important, she never disclaimed the role of prophet!
a. "Some have stumbled over the fact that I said I did not claim to be a prophet, and they have asked, Why is this?
"I have had no claims to make, only that I am instructed that I am the Lord's messenger.... Early in my work I was asked several times, Are you a prophet? I have ever responded, "I am the Lord's messenger." I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be His messenger. "Your work," He instructed me, "is to bear My word. Strange things will arise; and in your youth I set you apart to bear the message to the erring ones, to carry the word before unbelievers, and with pen and voice to reprove from the Word actions that are not right. Exhort from the Word. I will make My Word open to you.... My spirit and My power shall be with you.
""Be not afraid of men, for My shield will protect you. It is not you that speaketh; it is the Lord that giveth the messages of warning and reproof. Never deviate from the truth under any circumstances. Give the light I shall give you. The messages for these last days shall be written in books, and shall stand immortalized, to testify against those who have once rejoiced in the light, but who have been led to give it up because of the seductive influences of evil."" (Ms. 63, 29 June 1906, published in RH, 26 July 1906, pp. 8, 9, and later in 1SM 31-36.)
Parameters to validate EGW, pls click these links (you may investigate directly through link nos 3 & 4 below)
1. The Gift: The Spirit of Prophecy
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2. The Gift% The Life of Ellen G. White
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3. The Gift: 4 Tests of a Prophet
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4. The Gift: Answering the Critics of Ellen G White
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5. The Gift: The Benefits
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THE BIBLE 📚ONLY, not Ellen White
Ellen G. White and "The Bible and the Bible Only"
🤔Do Seventh-day Adventists believe that the writings of Ellen G. White are EQUAL to, or an ADDITION TO, the Scriptures? If the Bible is all-sufficient, why do we need Ellen White's writings?
👉Seventh-day Adventists DO NOT place Ellen White's writings on the SAME LEVEL as Scripture. "The Holy Scriptures stand alone, the unique standard by which her and all other writings MUST BE JUDGED and to which they must be subject" (Seventh-day Adventists Believe . . . , p. 227). Another way of framing this question is to ask why the church should need any of the promised gifts of the Holy Spirit. Ellen White answered this question in the Introduction to her book The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan:
"In His word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. "Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness; that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16, 17, R.V.).
"Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His Word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the Word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the Word.
"The Spirit was not given--nor can it ever be bestowed--to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the Word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. . . .
"In harmony with the Word of God, His Spirit was to continue its work throughout the period of the gospel dispensation. During the ages while the Scriptures of both the Old and the New Testament were being given, the Holy Spirit did not cease to communicate light to individual minds, apart from the revelations to be embodied in the Sacred Canon. The Bible itself relates how, through the Holy Spirit, men received warning, reproof, counsel, and instruction, in matters in no way relating to the giving of the Scriptures. And mention is made of prophets in different ages, of whose utterances nothing is recorded. In like manner, after the close of the canon of the Scripture, the Holy Spirit was still to continue its work, to enlighten, warn, and comfort the children of God" (The Great Controversy, pp. vii, viii).
Pls READ MORE:
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✔️✔️✔️Ellen White herself NEVER CLAIMED the title prophetess, but referred to herself as God’s messenger. She did not, however, correct those who referred to her as prophetess. Her testimonies to the Church were so extensive that all people will find content that concerns them. If accepted, this counsel will bring about that change of character, which God intends for all His children. Ellen White wrote this:
"I said that I DID NOT claim to be a prophetess. I have not stood before the people claiming this title, though many called me thus. I have been instructed to say, ‘I am God’s messenger, sent to bear a message of reproof to the erring and of encouragement to the meek and lowly.’ With pen and with voice, I am to bear the messages given me. The word given me is, ‘You are faithfully to reprove those who would mar the faith of the people of God. Write out the things which I shall give you, that they may stand as a witness to the truth till the end of time (Review and Herald, January 26, 1905)."
True prophet glorifies God
FALSE PROPHET glorifies self
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Because of humikity but re 12 17 says the true church has a true prophet and keeps sabbath re 18 babylon are all other churches
Are you a true Christian?.... do all true Christians have the full truth? No they don't.... Hell is NOT eternal torment for lost humans.
If what you’re saying is true about Ellen G White is true,please go and read her books properly before you make comments about her writings every thing that she has written is with the bible accurate she was truly a great writer and has never lied about anything everything she has written is based only upon the bible and God did truly bless her with everything she has written,can I suggest to you that you go read one of her books called The Great Controversy that book is so good for the 21st century and read the whole book and then come back on you tube and say what you read,but in the meantime stop putting Mrs White down. I am so proud to be a SDA and will continue to be one until God says no more to and put’s me to rest until his second coming of his beautiful son Jesus.
@VAIO294 Luke 4:16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Even Jesus has the custom of going to the synagogue on sabbath. And i know that you will agree with me that Christ is the best example on how we can become a better christian. We Adventists only follows His example in keeping the sabbath.
EGW said, "In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." - {ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3}
She went onto say; "We can overcome. Yes; fully, entirely. Jesus died to make a way of escape for us, that we might overcome every evil temper, every sin, every temptation ... " Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 144.
"To be redeemed means to cease from sin." Review & Herald, September 25,1900.
If you claim they are taken out of context, then put them into context for me.I look forward to it:)
1 Corinthians 5:12-13
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."
we are allowed to judge those who are inside the church and people who claim to be Christians.
let's say a person is in sin, but we apparently are not allowed to judge,you would let the Christian brother or sister go in sin? do you not care about your sibling in Christ? tell them rebuke them.
He says she god the idea she s god s voice but when youbprophesy islam 150 years in advamce and 9 11 and san francisco earthquake and 3000 prophecies and bible says ttue church keeos sabbath and has true prophet
For taking matrrial who says god did not tell her to do it?
A cult is usually defined with the following three thoughts
1. Denial of sola scriptura. They believe in new light, or teachings of some modern day prophets, and hold their writings in high authority, much to that of the bible. Many of these groups create their own bible versions(like jehovah witnesses)
2. Denial of the divinity of Jesus Christ
3. They teach salvation by works, and not by faith
Cults will usually have one or all of these features.
Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
He want to know if the SDA say she's infallible but completely ignores the fact that the pope does claims that he's infallible..
Actually Walter Martin is an enemy of Roman Catholicism aswell...every cult like Romand and adventism.
@rottyman2005 Your words are such a blessing, especially at a time when SDA'S are being attacked, left, right & centre....THANK YOU. May God Almighty continue to bless your walk with him!
From a fellow adventist.
Many adventist don't even understand the nature of the true gospel.
Acts 16:30-31 Sirs what must I do to be saved? Did Paul and Silas say anything about faith + works, or that you must keep the law or the sabbath or even about sanctification being the work of a lifetime?..NO they said Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Rom.10:8-10 this is the word of faith which we preach: confess Christ and believe and you will be saved! Salvation is so simple.
Brother, i do not know what you heard but i think you are misled about the church. we are saved through the GRACE of Jesus through FAITH. brother you cannot call yourself "faithful" if you continue on sinning. that is why we aknowledge our need for Jesus for us to become faithful in him and that we can be like him. because of our faith we can call Him our savior and that if we have sinned and ask for forgiveness we will be forgiven. the texts are right and we have nothing against that.
SDA CULT members talk with a forked tongue which contradicts themselves over and over. One minute SDA CULT members admit that they have not perfectly stopped sinning, but then when you ask them, "DO you admit you continue to sin and continue being a sinner and continue breaking God's law and 10 Commandments?", they run and hide, insult you, and desperately try to change topics and they cannot bring themselves to admit that they break God's Law because they believe they are lost if they do so!
i know a lot of SDA's and some of them have a true relationship with Christ. but it is limited to the teachings of EGW. and they have fear and insecurity in their relationship with God from it. once they come out of the church they can have a full knowledge of the Gospel of Christ and life more abundant. until then they must wear the veil of Mosses when they read the Bible.
I guess my question is who is this guy and what are his credentials to be judging anyone on anything? We Adventists do not require his approval. And NO we do NOT worship Ellen G. White. She played a very important part in the early days of our denomination and wrote a lot of really good stuff. Those who read her writings tend to hold her in pretty high esteem. You might be interested in seeing what Paul Harvey had to say about her. I don't know if he was an Adventist or not, but I would guess he probably was. Everything I have ever read of hers points me to the Bible and ultimately Christ, never herself.
Carl Holden oh man his credentials are far superior than any man of this generation. It is in his character to make wild allegations believe me he does his homework whenever speaking on anything
My friend Ellen was a false prophet. She made false prophecies. Made false doctrines up.
Lied and was a white supremicist.
All this is 100 percemt facts and I can prove everything.
Im a former Adventist of 24 years.
please do not twist verses out of context.Paul the Apostle judged the false preachers.
1Timothy 1:18-20
18 This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, 20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme
Just because you keep the seventh day sabbath does not mean your entering God's rest ?
IndigoPriest-- I repectively disagree since I don't understand your definition of SDA. Walter Martin had the same problem, The "General Conference of the SDA" or it's headquaters (office complex) is the authoritive power or hierarchy of traditional SDA. Martin discovered, not all professing "SDA" believe the same doctrines, individual members may differ in their beliefs. One survey I saw indicates 85-percent follow "General Conference" doctrine on "Investigative Judgement"--16-percent do not
Dear Ones,
Ellen White stated that all Christians should go to the Word of God first. She said she is a lesser light promoting the pure word of God, the greater light. Read the books The Great Controversy and Early Writings. Access to them can be found at the ellenwhiteestate period organization.
The other person who was saying she was plagiarizing was w former secretary who spent time in a mental hospital and later recanted what she said.
So please, tell me who she plagiarized regarding the vision of NYC? These books were long in print and no one had really taken notice of this vision before and when we read it, we were shocked, but not really, because we already knew she was inspired. She herself was fallible, but the Holy Spirit is infallible.
When was this video recorded? these guys sound quite old and the video is not the best quality. Just wondering (Age doesnt disqualify you from being a solid christian, it just makes it harder to understand for us young folk)
read hebrews 4: 1-10 Deuteronomy 13:1-6 Matthew 7:3-5 Deuteronomy 29:19-20 Matthew 5:17-20 Matthew 5:21-7:26 Matthew 6:14, Luke 6:37 and since the last verse says to forgive others i forgive you for calling my faith a cult. Now please read all of these and comment again. and my final question is what denomination are you my brother? And may Jesus Christ be with you
there are 28 fundamental beliefs. how many can i disagree with and still be called an Adventist?
6 literal days, counted from evening to morning.
Gen.1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen.2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
I said that when John got around to listed God's commands which he mentions in this epistles & Revelation, he did so in 1 John 3:23 when he wrote" And this is His command; to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and to love one another as He commanded". So that is TWO! Loving our neighbor as we love ourselves is the one I can't seem to keep. Especially neighbors who are rude and jerks. I work with a couple like that. Do you think ANYBODY is keeping God's commandments good enough to count?
Were you re-baptized into adventism? did you sign a contract that you agree with the 28 fundamental beliefs? Did you learn a new Gospel? please tell me this other Gospel that Fundamental Christians don't know.
That verse has nothing to do with Sabbath keeping... Read the whole Bible, not just one verse.
Ellen White was not a plagiarist so says a legal document by Vincent L. Ramik, Aug 14, 1981. Law office that specializes in plagiarism came to this conclusion after extensive study. You can find it on the internet. Mr. Ramik is a Catholic.
SO now we believe the dreaded Catholics? They also said Sabbath is sunday lets believe that aswell
mattjestic1
I included the fact that Mr. Ramik is a Catholic so that no one could accuse him of siding with EGW merely because he was of the same religious persuasion. Though he was aware that she was critical of the Catholic church & religion, he still held her writings favorably. Tell me, are you automatically contrary to anything Ellen White? I recommend a Dwight Nelson vid on YT called The Gift pt.4: Answering the Critics of Ellen G. White. Please listen to ALL of it.
I was born and raised SDA for 24 years I am very familiar with ALL sda theology. Egw is not a prophet and was not inspired by God.....if you can explain to me the meaning of amalgamation between man and beast, or a vegetarian diet which is against the word of god (1 Timothy 4:1-4) than I can consider egw but since none can I label her as a false prophet
mattjestic1
I was baptized when I was 27 y.o. in 1977. I did not hear of EGW til after that. Prophets of the Bible plagiarized from other prophets of the Bible, too. That's what Nelson was talking about. Are they any less prophets of God? He brings out some very good points. And I also have have struggles with some of her writings. But, the *majority* of the writings is fantastic. Do I throw it all out? And others have asked, How can you believe a female? That just blows me away. And 1 Tim 4 does not preach against vegetarianism -- that's a stretch. There's so much more to talk about. Hang in there.
I lik you brother you've got wonderful faith, one thing bible prophets did not plagiarize...as in taking others writing and saying that it's yours. Many times when one used the work of another they said for example, Jesus quoting Isiah, but always mentioning it was from him, even though we know Christ inspired him to write those things. Step to Christ is still one of my favorite books, but she has to many other controversial writings, prophecies that never happened, and writings that are not biblical (shut door and investigative judgment). Btw I know 1 tim4 doesn't speak against vegen, what I was saying is that it's against those who teach eating meat is wrong. If u don't mind I would like to know what it means to you. God Bless
Paul said "as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord...to be away from the body and at home with the Lord."(2 Cor 5:6-8) Of course our bodies are in the grave, they shall be raised and united with us again at the ressurection. Paul also said that to die was gain, why? Because it meant to " to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far".(Phil 1:21-23) Yes the FINAL Judgement is at the End, yet there is a Judgement reserved upons ones death.(Hebrews 9:27)
Practical example.
Police officer (the Law) Mister, don't murder your neighbour
Man (Christian) Officer, don't worry, I don't even want to harm him, I love him.
Police officer (the Law): Great! Then you don't need me, do you? :)
Man (Christian); No officer, thanks to God's grace! :)
Jesus does right through me, it's a desire and delight.
Are you claiming I am lost because I reject EGW and reject the SDA CULT?
Can a Christian be saved through CHRIST ALONE if they refuse to become a member of the SDA CULT and if they reject EGW?
Here is a women, condemned of adultery, Jesus said, neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more, how can He say that? Because soon He will be flogged and by His stripes her wounds would be healed. Soon He would be condemned so she could be justified. Soon He would be striped so she could be clothed. What a savoir!
critics need to stop looking from the outside in because you keep saying we regard Ellen White. It is what God revealed to her that is the issue. The same way it is about what God revealed to the Prophets and not the individuals themselves.
Well I don't know about you but the Bible says in Revelation 12:17 that Satan was angry at the woman(church) that obey all God's commands and who have the message Jesus taught. The Adventists obey all God's commands and proclaim that Jesus is their saviour . Also in Revelation 12:14 it says that the woman flew to the place prepared for her after the 1260 days which ended in 1798. How many churches have been made after then.
1John 3:22-24; 4:21 And this is His commandment: love and faith
John 13:34,35 love one another
14:14 + 15:10,12,17 Keep My commandments even as I have kept My Fathers's
Mt 7:12 do unto others 22:36-40
Rom 13:8-10 for he tha loves another has fulfilled the law, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law
Gal.5:14,15 + 6:2 For all the law is fulfilled with love
1Cor.9:19-22 undthe law to Christ
Mt: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, forgive, eat my flesh, drink my blood, come unto me +go to
"Circumcision is nothing , and uncircumcision is nothing , but keeping the Commandments of God is what matters" 1 Corinthians 7:19 says Paul the Apostle , in the New Testament !!!!!!!
I know nobody who keeps Sunday. I know people who go to church on Sunday but they go to work afterwards etc. The Apostle John wrote about God's commands for the Christian & only listed two: Believe in Jesus Christ & love your neighbor as yourself. Paul wrote not to judge each other on the Sabbath. I just don't see the SDA position in the New Testament. The New Testament never stresses Sabbath observance for the church. We don't get that until we get to Ellen White's books.
You are mistaken! Conservative SDA's absolutely hold EGW's writings equal to scripture. EGW is a continuing authority & INSPIRED just as the writers of the Bible are inspired by God. Plus I didn't say Dr. Martin wrote EGW is equal to Scripture. Dr. Martin held that ONLY very conservative Adventists held that & NOT the SDA's he worked with in the 1950's when Questions on Doctrine came out. They held Jesus did not have a fallen human nature & conservative SDA DO!!!
@cmammlj I try to keep all commandments because I love to. I get a huge blessing every Sabbath. I find huge blessings in trying everything God says would be best for us to do. I can not speak for all SDA's, but not all of them think they are better then anyone else. I enjoy helping others get closer to Christ and to overcome sin.
You are right about self-righteous people. But what about obedient people? He is our Dad and we listen to Him because He first loved us and we love Him.
@Mekelsior is it really bringing someone to jesus if you change the gospel?
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Romans 7:1-7.Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
What makes you think the adventist church keeps them any better than any other bible believing Christian? Is it simply because they choose to gather on Saturday? They don't even follow the sabbath laws as the God of the bible gave them, yet, they boast at how they keep it....
On one occasion, when in New York City, I was in the night season called upon to behold buildings rising story after story toward heaven. These buildings were warranted to be fireproof, and they were erected to glorify their owners and builders.... {LDE 113.1}
The scene that next passed before me was an alarm of fire. Men looked at the lofty and supposedly fireproof buildings and said: “They are perfectly safe.” But these buildings were consumed as if made of pitch.
You just contradicted EGW and SDA CULT!
Go to a SDA Pastor and ask him this question:
Can a Sunday keeping Christian avoid getting the mark of the Beast, be saved by FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE, and accepted by God if they refuse to become a member of the SDA "Remnant Church", refuse to attend Church on Sabbath because they attend Church on Sunday and if they reject EGW and believe she was a false teacher?
Then come back and tell me if you believe SDA CULT teaches salvation through CHRIST ALONE!
When Walter Martin slams down the Book in Video, it is not her quote - her husband - who was not a Prophet. EG White preached the Trinity and never spoke against it. DR W. M. irrelevant!
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Numbers 19:2
This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:
The law of ordinances, i.e., sacrifices was nailed to the cross, that's why the veil was torn at Christ's death.
The Sabbath was hallowed at the creation. As ordained for man, it had its origin when “the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.” Job 38:7. Peace brooded over the world; for earth was in harmony with heaven. “God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good;” and He rested in the joy of His completed work. Genesis 1:31. {DA 281.1}
You dont know what you are talking about, bro. I know my Bible far better than I know the teachings of EGW, and this is true of most Adventists. EGW didn't say anything that contradicts bible. So, if you read her writings, particularly the Spirit of Prophecy, you could be saved just from the info in those books alone. There is a tiny book called "Steps to Christ". If you read it, it will change your Christian experience to be closer to Jesus. Go ahead - its online. READ just a little.You'll see.
The IJ was the 5th excuse for the sda's sanctuary doctrine after the great disappointment
Barnhouse wrote: The [sanctuary] doctrine is, to me, the most colossal, psychological, face-saving phenomenon in religious history. ... We personally do not believe that there is even a suspicion of a verse in Scripture to sustain such a peculiar position, and we further believe that any effort to establish it is stale, flat, and unprofitable. ... [It is] unimportant and almost naive
Believe it or not SDA are also Baptist, and LDS and etc. because we believe in Baptism by immersion, all people should be last day saints. We believe everything that all other churches believe in that are biblical. SDA means that we believe God's Sabbath day is still the 7th day, and we believe in the second coming of Jesus. When people realize Hebrews 4, and that you should keep all 10 commandments, you will be the same. We don't necessarily speak in tongues because of 1 Corinthians ch.12-14.
This was after the crucifixion:
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
we seventh day adventists do not think Ellen whites writing are higher than scripture just so every one knows
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Some 1 said (IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN MARK & LUKE MUST HAVE PLAGIARIZED)
Absolutely Fascinating!
Problem is 2 take what they had read in a book then plagiarize what they have read as vision from God
EW said many great things, she was not right about everything. but her writings lead many to God. The problem with most sda's is the fact they hold a superstitious view of EW, that she herself said not to do
How do u test a profit, when anything in ?, they go back 2 EW 2 say this is the meaning
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So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another- to Him who was raised from the dead
Easy way to heaven? You mean there are people who think they can get to heaven by grace through faith alone and works & keeping the law adds nothing to that?
seems the biggest deal with both Ancherburg and Walter Martin is the fact that those who oppose the doctrines of the SDA church are put out of the church. I would like to know whether people such as pastors or scholars or just any individual in the churches they belong to were believing and telling others that they don't believe the teachings of their churches or abide by their doctrines. I wonder if they would be put out of their churches too. If I were a 7th Day Sabbath believer and also did not believe what Walter Martins interpretations of his church were.......would I be allowed to teach and preach to his congregation? I doubt it for sure. Did not Lucifer teach against God in heaven for long enough time that more than a third of the angels believed in him and not God. Did not God thrust them out of heaven down to the earth and let their beliefs reveal themselves which has taken nearly 7000 years. It is not some wrong that those who do not believe in the doctrines of churches they subscribe to are put out of the church. This has always been the case from churches today all the way back to heaven itself. Why make some nefarious banter about that point if its not to demean and degrade another church which they themselves do also. Hypocrites.
Hi James, that's bull's-seye!
Other religions have serious problems as well. The issue raised by Dr Martin and Dr. Ankerberg has to do with labor issues in an organizational structure. As I navigate on the web I also found many integrity issues against them but we are not focused on persons.
What I would like to see is they question the Sabbath.
God bless
how can you tell me we believe highly of her when we rarely speak of her. The only time I heard her name in a service was in a revaltion seminar. You dny know the cult defintion and you can worship Him on any day you want. But the BIBLE says to go to church on SATURDAY and that means NO WORK NO SCHOOL AND ONLY GODLY RELATED THINGS. And every sunday church points fingures at adventist just b/c our founder wrote books.and name a "false doctrine" going to church on Sunday is a false dotrine to
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Limited paperback edition, 46th print, April 1992, page 460, the author says Adventists have little Scriptural justification for their Sabbatarianism. I wonder if Martin, in his 20 years of researching cults, asked any Jews for their opinion. Since that flavor of GOD worship is not deemed a cult, that opinion is not important. The definition of cult status, Martin claims, is partly due to Female worship. Catholic Mary worship is not included because Martin does not list the Church Universal as a cult. The Cube of Saturn, or Islam, in its roots, goes to domestic helpers cleaning the grounds of a certain goddess. NO mention of that in the four pages condemning that flavor.
I have found legalists wil always wrest Romans 7 entirely out of context. Paul clearly shows that we are no longer married to the old husband defined by law but to the new covenant husband Christ, defined by the spirit of grace. By trying to be married to Christ and to the Law at the same time they are committing spiritual adultery. This shows that they really do not understand either law OR grace--their purpose and their application. They are thus fallen from grace and still in their sins
The Bible is God’s voice speaking to us, just as surely as if we could hear it with our ears. If we realized this, with what awe we would open God’s Word and with what earnestness we would search its precepts. The reading and contemplation of the Scriptures would be regarded as an audience with the Infinite One. 107 {CSA 69.5}
The point is this, I to the law die to the law, until you die to the law and live to Christ as a method of salvation you are lost.
Egw got that from the BIBLE. And how can u call someone a hyprocrite for breaking the wabbath when u break it also? That is a hyprocrite. and y dnt sunday churches follow this verese Leviticus 7:27-11:42?
every sunday keeping christian breaks this law y? i dnt no
That verse is about the SDA church? What IS your understanding of the gospel? In the 1957 book "Seventh-Day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine" it says salvation is by grace alone though faith alone apart from works & keeping the law & the SDA's agree w/ all the major protestant denominations. And good works & obedience to the moral law is the FRUIT of one that HAS been saved by grace alone. I know that many "traditional" Adventists didn't like that book but that's what it said.
1 John 3:23 takes the opportunity to explain what he (John) means when he speaks about God's commandments: "And this is His command, to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and to love one another as He commanded". This says NOTHING about the Sabbath. And does this indicate what John means in Revelation when he wrote "keep the commandments of God"? The New Testaments either assumes Sabbath keeping or does not require it for gentile converts as it certainly never stresses Sabbath keeping.
@IndigoPriest adventists don't believe in the completed atonement. They believe that jesus blood didn't yet cancel sin because atonement isn't yet done. They believe satan is second goat on day of atonement.
Keeping the law perfectly means that you do NOT sin! At all. Not even pride or the slightest hint of jealously. That you love God with ALL your mind and you neighbor as much as you love yourself & your child. The New Testament teaches no such thing. Martin Luther or D.L. Moody never found that in the NT! Keeping the Sabbath is not commanded either for gentile converts. Paul wrote not to judge one on the Sabbath or new moons or eating meat etc. One man esteems one day,another holds all days alike
@Lance.... Also, in the verse below, GOD is very clear that He did NOT make the Sabbath covenant BEFORE the Israelites were brought out of Egypt.
>>Deut 5:2,3 ~ “The LORD our God made a covenant with US in Horeb… The LORD did NOT make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.”
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Written covenant but all humans are under god s law from.adam to the last man as sin is the transgression of the law no human cas escape the power of sin
Dear jkw, I agree with u on Psalms 6.5 and Eccs 9.10. It means that traditional christian beliefs that while the body dies the soul lives on as believed by most christian churches. Only SDA church says when u die u don't know anyting anymore. Your soul does not live in pugatory (Between heaven or hell) as believed by almost all other churches.
cont... the 4th commandment is under the moral laws which continue to exist today wether you like it or not. what nailed was the tradition of the Jews on how we should keep the sabbath. You can never find an adventist church that burns sabbath offering today brother. that is because those those traditions were voided when Jesus died. also other legalities was voided by christ when he came. that was clearly taught in the gospels. the jewish legalities and tradtions was voided not the sabbath.
I didn't say they were better. All christians are good people. All Im saying is they keep the sabbath as far as i've observed. You may be a little different but thats fine we all have our own point of view, not all who say they are Seventh Day Adventists will be saved and many who aren't Adventists will be saved. I'm just telling those who made this video that the adventist church could be apart of biblical prophecy.
Hebrews 9:3
And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
Mark 15:38
And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
@cmammlj Cult defintion
1.a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
2.Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Well if you evr in your life go to an SDA church for service it has nothing to do with extremist or sacred symbols so it is not a cult. You just made false acusation against your neighbor.
@elijahreturns7
why did he only enter once a year? What is the reason the bible gives for it?