Star Trek Prodigy Season 2 EPISODE 11-20 REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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Chakotay and Wesley are fantastically handled this season for sure
So much better written than their Roddenberry and Berman era characters.
@@psoma_brufd I like them in their original shows well enough, especially season 3/4 and onwards Wesley and a few choice episodes for Chakotay, but I would say this is an enhancement
@@Cdr2002 season three and four Wesley is famously when Roddenberry stopped intervening for how Wesley was supposed to be written and Wil Wheaton got a lot more input instead
Voyager Chakotay is a character with so much potential. But they abandoned any edge or friction with his past (whether or not he leads a Maquis mutiny could have been a season-arc, rather than he’s 100% behind Janeway after 2 episodes) and added a terminal amount of “written [exclusively?] by white people.” But the basic outline of the character was always something that could have worked. Between this and the episode where he and Janeway remained on the bug bite planet, I feel like there’s an interesting desire at the back of his mind to stop, to settle down. If there’s a Prodigy season 3, I think that could be explored.
Wesley points to something different. The plucky genius kid sidekick was already on its way out as a concept by the late 80s, early 90s. “Danger, Will Robinson” is a thing of the past. Wesley’s episodes are reasonably decent in later TNG, because that wasn’t really what they were doing with him at that point. Episodes like “the first duty” have more in common with Jake and Nog in DS9 than early TNG Wesley. But it’s hard to overcome the legacy of being the kind of character that folks just don’t want. In some ways it’s not surprising that he works now that he’s an adult. But I do think the animated and less serious approach really works well here, the ways in which his perspective is so inhuman, and how Wesley is a few nebulas short of a galaxy works well. Once a character has this level of brilliance and effectiveness, there ought to be something in the narrative that keeps a degree of balance.
@@thebitterfig9903 Chakotay and Janeway were basically married on that planet after like two days I’m so annoyed the show didn’t do it lmao
Wesley never bothered me as much as he does others, I never hated him for a second, but I get that a certain mainstream perception is difficult to overcome
Important note: MURF'S LIL MIRROR UNIVERSE BEARD! HIS LIL GOLD UNIFORM!
I legitimately might get a tattoo of Mirror Murf -- SO GOOD!!
@@ErinMacdonald Oh! you're the scientist involved with Star Trek! thanks for the great work!
First time I believe I've had Starfleet Academy faculty reply to a comment!
This was an excellent season and definitely one of the best Star Trek seasons. Setting the Protostar crew to be explorers during a time the Federation becomes more isolationist is brilliant. Now I want prodigy to go another 7 to 8 seasons so that it can catch up to the end of Picard season 3 and see the characters as adults and seasoned officers. Save Prodigy! Save Lower Decks!
“The strongest season of Modern Star Trek” - that is a sentiment I also share. How they organically weaved Prodigy into the trek universe is amazing. They didn’t just throw in Easter eggs just to give fans what they wanted, they did so organically.
The writers of Prodigy treated its viewers as adults. And not as children. (Distracting us with the keys like babies as with what a lot of modern trek does)
I’d love a season 3 of Prodigy more than a Legacy.
I put my faith in these kids, representing the best part of Starfleet
"Last Flight of the Phoenix" is a film classic and you get why they chose the title.
I read the Zero arc as anti-assimilationist, funny enough. I don't read "experiences senses" as something they wanted in order to blend in. They were curious about something, tried it out, and enjoyed aspects of it. They get to have the experiences they want to have and be part of the community they choose, and they don't have to be a humanoid/have a body that resembles any of the people around them. They can be appreciated for themself.
It might actually be read as subversive relative to *Medusan* society, as iirc (and as far as we know) the majority of them are noncorporeal beings who stay noncorporeal and don't choose to experience more physical senses. Zero has remained with their chosen family, rather than return to what TOS called a "hive mind". It reads super queer to me.
As someone who doesn't ship often because I'm ace/aro and don't really get that connection, I shipped Janeway and Chakotay. When they were in the mirror universe I was SCREAMING at my TV "NO NOT LIKE THIS! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WHOLESOME"
I really felt they were channelling that one episode when they were stranded on a planet together in Voyager. Which is one of the only episodes where they really have chemistry in the original show (though he does always call her Kathryn from then on).
Dal’s kind of on the Burnham track in a way. Rebelliousness, a desire to make the decisions, first officer, eventually captain
This season has made me believe that there's no such thing as a bad character, just a character who's poorly used. I never would have thought that I could actually care about Chakotay, let alone like Wesley Crusher.
Like many Canadians, I haven't been a pirate for over FIVE YEARS! As a result, I cannot see Prodigy s2 yet. Anyway, Save Prodigy, Save Lower Decks!
Fellow Canadian. I found a site to watch it on. I would have loved to support it on Netflix, but it's just such a great show and great Star Trek show. save Prodigy and Save Lower Decks!
C'mon Tendi! Own your background! Win the drinking murder spiker game!
I haven’t seen lower decks yet
My feeling was the body from the planet was assimilating to be just like everyone else, where Zero's final body is taking what they like from that, but overall still being themselves.
I’d go further to say that Zero’s pining was centered around the experience of sensation, not the mechanism of it. A body for them was already mutable: trading them out to serve their interests in learning what it’s like seems entirely volitional rather than an imposition of “be corporeal like everyone else” assimilation. It’s valid to want to try - even live with - what they didn’t get from birth, if that’s their choice. It’s queer mechanics 101.
Hard same. I thought it was really weird that they looked just like everybody else from that planet, with no hint of the body they had designed for themselves. So I think the final solution was perfect, and was basically already trailed by that very first conversation with the Doctor that Zero had (since the Doctor _can_ touch things!).
@@deoradh Absolutely Queer Mechanics 101. Didn't you learn that at Queer Agenda school??? 😂😂😂😂
Zero even straight up says that they get to look like themself *and* feel like themself.
I couldn't agree more with your analysis of this season. They had me hooked from episode 1 when Janeway said she'd promised Admiral Picard that she wouldn't lose this Voyager in the Delta quadrant. The handling of Chakotay and Wesley also really impressed me, but I think my favorite thing was that I rarely noticed I was watching a Nickelodeon series. There were times when things would be slightly over-explained or some themes weren't addressed as directly as I might have liked but the way they integrated things I consider "important" to Star Trek into programming that could be enjoyed by almost all ages really blew me away. I've been playing season 2 on repeat on my personal PC while I'm working just so I can get the hours watched up for the Netflix algorithm. Here's hoping for at least 1 more season, even though I'd be in favor of 6 seasons and a movie.
Oh, the Zero arc and bodies made me think of what I think would be a good video essay: pitting how Data wanted to be like humans while Dean Stockwell in BSG absolutely did not, and what each says about humanity's view of itself.
My mum really doesn't like animation, for some reason. The only way I can make her watch _anything_ animated is by taking the remote away so she can't switch it off, and that ain't possible with me living hundreds of kilometers away
Finally managed to convince her to put it on the watch list by telling her it's the best one since DS9, she liked that one. She had a life size Quark cardboard stand she scared the neighbours with
I would warn her that the first few episodes of season 1 are a slow burn. It took a few episodes to find its groove, so stick with it. By like episode 5 or 6, they find their flow and it's great from then on.
The scene with the Crushers almost made me cry... which hardly ever happens anymore. Last time I think was Nimona.
Episode 13: I never thought I'm happy that the Klingons continue their campaign against the Tribbles.
Episode 14: Back in Star Trek: Voyager, the closest Mirror universe episode we got back then was Living Witness.
Episode 20: I'm happy that Gwyn is finally the captain of the (new) Protostar, I always suspected (and I hopefully everyone) that she's always the captain material when we first saw the Star Trek Prodigy images of the characters. And also, I hope we'll see another Crusher's family reunion again, but this time in live-action.
Ep.13 really sells how much of an ecological menace the Tribbles are, and why people would devote their lives to hunting them, singing songs of glory over their triumphs.
I really think Dal made the right choice to be XO. It was apparent to me that it was a decision he made for his own growth. "I'm not ready for captaincy, but as a #1 I can learn and grow into the position while having a higher responsibility to contend with." Really mature thinking to me :)
STP season 2 is wonderfully written, directed and it's Star Trek. Chakotay finally gets his development he deserved. Honestly, he took a lot of flack from Indiginous Ppl, when he had no control over the writers made up Ancient Tribal history. Finally we saw a glimpse into why he went to his planet after cardies killed his Father. We also get to see why Kathryn and Chakotay worked as an excellent CO/XO. This reminds me of how Babylon 5's Delenn and Sheridan worked together with Rangers and Alliance. They pulled on J n C char bios strength s. Great Animation Trek 😊 . Dif-tor heh smusma.
I always felt like the reason Janeway and Chakotay never got together was because Janeway didn't want to complicate things on the ship. In that episode where they're stranded on the planet together, you can kind of see a relationship forming, and I think had they stayed there a lot longer, Janeway would have eventually settled in to her new reality and been with Chakotay. So my head cannon was that they got back together in the Alpha Quadrant when they no longer had to worry about conflicts of interest. What I REALLY feared was Hologram Janeway and The Doctor hitting it off...woof, what a disaster that could have been.
I really like how Holo-Janeway is her own character even if her basis is that of Janeway. It's also neat how the fact she is a d knows she is a hologram has influenced her and her perceptions.
Discovery ends on its best season. Prodigy ends on its best season and arguably the best modern Star Trek season (im still partial to LD S2). Lower Decks is undoubtedly planning on giving us greatness later this year.
Its never felt more bittersweet to be a Trek fan. This essentially is the last hoorah of the CBS All Access era and the Skydance Era has a lot to live up to
I honestly dug Acencia and didn't realize Jameela Jamil voiced Her so expertly. I also didn't realize she had a very extensive voice acting career. Just totally what I want from more well-known screen actors. Looking at you Crisp Ratt
Kinda wish she didn't play so many villains. I really like rooting for a Jameela Jamil character.
More people need to watch this!!! It's not just a kids show, it's really great for adults. It is wonderfully written, entertaining and engaging! I guarantee anyone who gives it a fair shake will not be sorry!
Genuinely I adored this season of the show. Some of the best Star Trek ever made, and for a "kids show" they go for some incredibly high concept stuff and don't treat the audience like they're dumb.
Well, kids are unexperienced, not dumb.
That's only logical. 😜
@@Donnagata1409 Yeah I totally agree! But most shows don't treat kids like they can understand higher concept stuff and Prodigy really nails it. I only put kids show in quotes because I think it's more of an all-ages show.
I did like the "Captain Tuvix" mention in the Shattered-like episode, which made me wonder if there's a universe in which Tuvix killed Janeway...
Tribble and Mirror episodes were great, and the joke of the eye-scarred evil whale to me laughing.
The finale was great and if it had ended with the 7 back at the academy with promising futures I woulda been satisfied with it as an ending. But it tying into PIC’s mars attacks shocked me, and the way it ended with their own ship on orders from Janeway as a way out of the darkening of the TrekVerse really got me yearning for more.
If we didn’t get a Season 3 especially after all that trouble of getting Season 2 in the first place, would be a damn shame.
I binged it all with my little niece over her school holidays and we LOVED IT.
I think what made Prodigy so incredible is that it was aimed at kids. If you look back at TOS and TNG, they weren't explicitly a kid's show, but they were accessible to kids. And those are the ones that are timeless and the flagships of the franchise. I think with enough seasons, it can become just as timeless since it does weave everything so well and so organically. Case in point, it was great to see Wesley as an actual character and not just a fan-service cameo.
I've finished and I loved it. And I'm incredibly sad there isn't more. I actually used the "north star/true north" imagery when writing my fanfiction about Shepard and James Vega, calling back to that XO/CO relationship. I agree with you: I loved the end where Dal gave way and became XO.
AND YES THEY'RE TOGETHER. I MEAN, C'MON. 😂😂 But I agree that they did a good job of walking the fence, winking at it, and left it so that people like me who 'ship them can say "Yay, they clearly love each other and all that chemistry is still there and they're happy in some capacity, together" and other people can go "See! She went off to her farm alone!" and I'll just shrug and know better. 🤣
What you said about Chakotay and Wesley at the start... LOL! And so right.
Best of the season: Dal at the end of the last episode.
Worst of the season: Zero reverting to a former state (you know what I mean). His new look was amazing! And M'jel also seemed to appreciate it. 😜😜
I'd like a mirror universe joke that mixes star trek with rick and morty: a parallel universe where all the characters are literally mirrors, but with beards.
We did get one little Enterprise reference when Wesley said that there weren't many Travelers because most of them were wiped out in the time war, I thought tying the Travelers into the temporal war stuff was brilliant and made perfect sense. Also loved when he mentioned the mycelial plane and then immediately added "you're not supposed to know about that one, forget it!"
One tiny moment I adored in the last episode was Zero and Ma'jel doing the Vulcan two fingers touching thing. That means they're canonically a couple, right?
Here's hoping for season three!
This is when I think the model of releasing all episodes of a 20 ep season is a challenge to the fandom. I binged all the eps too and I really missed the ep by ep discussions and reviews. I’m glad you did the videos and it’s been fun watching and hearing your thoughts ❤❤❤
With Zero I didn't feel that wanting to be able to feel is them assimilating in the end because at that point they wanted it for themselves, not for those around them. If it had been a plot about how they wanted to feel for Maj'el or something I think that might have made it mixed for me, but they thankfully never went that way.
At first, they were curious but weren't given a real choice when given the chance to feel. They then choose not to join a group and assimilate there like everybody else did, and instead choose to go their own way with their body even if it was difficult. And then with the sacrifice and the new body they were able to choose their own form and live their own way with feeling, which is something they decided they definitely wanted for themselves, not just for the sake of fitting in.
The Metaphor never felt like it was saying being noncorporal was bad to me (but with the people not wanting to leave I could see how you could feel that way), but that this is just something this specific noncorporeal character wanted and was willing to take a difficult route for. At least as far as Zero goes and the way they choose to engage with feeling. Which felt not dissimilar to my trans experience. But I also get why it could be not read that way!
My big problem with the mirror universe episode is the Terran Empire still existing. Yes they say “new” but I think a new Terran Empire is the most boring direction to take it. I get that it’s a kid show and maybe running into Janeway and Chakotay as slaves of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance or rebel fighters against their massive seemingly overwhelming regime might be depressing but just oh evil starfleet again was disappointing.
I do like the note that Mirror Janeway and Mirror Chakotay still have a deep trust for each other like their Prime counterparts instead of being at each other’s throats like the typical stereotype for Terrans.
Mirror Chakotay is definitely Mirror Janeway’s sub. If this was Lower Decks I swear he’d have a collar like they did in that one LD “Naked Time” hologram.
@@kaitlyn__L lmao yes
Hey hey hey Whoa now lady Wesley saved the ship from an evil video game once he's always been interesting we were just too blind to see it :P
Nope, Wesley has always sucked, and always will.
@@lexruptor*_Someone_*_ here hasn’t seen Prodigy season 2 yeeet!_ 🤭
@@lexruptor Im very sorry thats the opinion you choose to have.
That’s my favourite Wesley episode honestly. The First Duty is great but it’s really more of an episode _about_ Wesley. He’s not so much the protagonist as the deuteragonist in that latter one.
The one thing from Cracked Mirror that was amazing was mirror Gillian being evil and having a stylish scar. I was laughing hard enough to start a coughing fit at that one. Also the Enderprizians under Captain Tuvix.
This is the best Star Trek series of all nuTrek!
The Mirror Universe section made me laugh harder than lower decks and I love lower decks. murph’s mirror universe beard and smack down of mirror chakotay.
Love and agree with all of it, Prodigy took my breath away honestly. Had to comment I love the Amphibia shoutout, not enough people talk about Amphibia❤
Dude, I hope in season 3 they bring Qs. I wonder what will happen there? And deep space 9 too (I feel you )
If you recall my comment on your previous Prodigy video, it was Zero's arc that I wanted to get your take on. I'd not even clocked that "but now they can feel!" could be read as "but now they fit in." It's one of the reasons why I like your reviews, as it lets me see media I like through a different frame, and appreciate it on different levels.
I think Prodigy has made me slightly more forgiving of Picard Season 1's Cut & Paste Fleet. At the end of Prodigy S1, Starfleet loses a lot of ships. At the end of Season 2, they lose one of their major shipyards. Of course they're going to pump out one model in bulk as quick as they can to get their numbers back up. Maybe?
This season was just phenomenal, with perhaps the best season finale of all of the Star Trek shows! It was so well written and I _loved_ how strongly it connected with Picard, retroactively making that show much better! Spoilers below:
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The bits which stood out most to me were zero's arc being really great as a nonbinary genderfluid person, the discovering who _they_ are and wanting to feel like themselves was _great_! Star Trek is on a roll with its presentation of nonbinary people (looking at you, Doctor Who, that came from a good place but was poorly written). Related, Wesley coming back and basically being The Doctor of the Star Trek world was really cool, he's basically "Passing through, helping out, learning." in the words of the 12th Doctor. Showing us past versions of the antagonists from season 1 was a great move, showing us how wishing to prevent destruction of your culture can lead you to a really bad place and cause you to do horrible things out of desperation (Future Ascencia realised she was so very wrong at the end, she felt herself in control and powerful, but as Wesley said, she had no idea what she was meddling with). At the same time the show also showing us that connection and support for each other is stronger and more important than any system which makes the ending all the more tragic because we see that Starfleet turns away from those lessons but fortunately the Prodigy crew are there to keep that alive until Picard helps the Federation to return to it later. The finale was so emotional and had me tearing up which is still pretty challenging for a show to do. simply fantastic!
I love this season. The binge model makes me remember individual episodes less though, guess I need to do a third rewatch, slower this time.
I can't watch this yet because I'm still on season 1 (just watched episode 7 "First Con-Tact", with the astonishing and gorgeous scenes with the beings communicating through resonant crystals in a sand temple) -- just wanted to say I'm sorry I didn't start watching this earlier, it's so well done. I think I was put off at first by the animation style and the fact that it's geared towards a younger audience, but I'm all in now.
The interactions between Maj'el and Zero were like a hidden queer ship while everyone was going gaga over the J/C content.
I can't speak to Zero's for Maj'el but Maj'el was *very* attuned to Zero's psychic signature and always seemed to be looking for them.
It felt like watching a young but well trained Vulcan trying to control their own reactions to their first crush.
On my third watch through....need....season.. 3....NOW
RIP BIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRD MAN!!!!!!!!
It was an absolutely fantastic season. I liked season 1 but this season eleven ages. The show massively in my opinion.
I like the new Vulcan
I totally thought that was an animated Michael Ironside and got psyched.
We definitely need more from the Prodigy team. They’re great.
The evil Mirror Universe Whales cracked me up
OK SO IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THAT WAY ABOUT THE SOLUM STUFF.
I was really disappointed with it because I wanted to know more about the people, culture, planet, etc. It seemed like an interesting world and personally I think it would’ve been interesting to explore Gwen’s “diaspora” status in relation to her identity.
Hey! Algorithm! Give these videos some love!!!
Give all prodigy videos love ❤☕
I want season 3 already... yes Chakotay and Wesley were awesome in this!
I thought Zero’s journey of corporeality ended pretty well myself. I feel like true assimilation would’ve been if they’d found a way to keep their humanoid body in the end and staying “just like everyone else.” Zero returning to their containment suit but augmenting it with sensory input is basically allowing them to take on the element of corporeal life that they wanted without being shoehorned into everything that comes with it for the sake of “fitting in.”
I haven't enjoyed Star Trek this much since "The Wrath of Khan"
Is Rok's tribble sentient? If I followed, it is made from spliced DNA of tribble and Rok...
It's a great season, no doubt about that, but I still think SNW 1 edges out as best, due to the inherent problems with time travel.
And I didn't quite like the resolution of the Ascencia/ Gwyn feud. That telepathic thing the people did came out the left field to me. I'd rather they rushed Ascencia and were to lynch her but Gwys stops them, reminds them of their better angels, for example.
Ans seriously, now federation shields can remodulate against chronovore creatures? Seriously? That kind of technobabble hurts.
But those are nitpicks. All in all, I think this season gets a 9,5/10.
Wesley going to visit his mother gives them some extra points, btw.
We extremely enjoy Zero and were disappointed that they ended up in a suit again. There wasn't even a moment when they would need to leave their body to do something!
On a second thought tho, Zero was used to hurt so many people with their incorporeal form. It's very understandable they don't even consider not having a solid body of sorts.
And if we interprete the incorporeal beings on the planet which grants them bodies as an allegory for binary trans people, Zero choosing the body they did - not fully humanoid - we could see that as a way to point to them being nonbinary on the corporeality spectrum.
Still tho, we would love to see more exploration of Zero and their identity and them becoming to be more open to their incorporeal form.
Reviews just came up for me (thanks, algorithm), so I'm late to the party but...
I agree with your point that more of the Solum Civil War would be good, but I kind of like that at the end of the day future-Ascencia is rather one-dimensional. However, that should have been the point - we should have seen how decades of conflict, the devastation of Solum, and (most importantly) rampant fear of outsiders burned the nuance from her character. The big missed opportunity was Ilthuran, as the idea that the nemesis for most of season 1 was once the exact person Starfleet would seek out for first contact is fascinating.
With all the time-paradoxes and stuff, and Wessley that was close to a doctor Who, I wish they have made at least reference to doctor who… hope that if a season 3 occurs, that can become a reality… esp if they can pull Jack Harkness (drool, drool) into it… but yeah, I loved Prodigy S2. Binged it all over one night, now I need to watch it again like a normal human, lol
There was that Doctor Who-Trek crossover comic series 😁 It was fun.
I hope that you do a video on what a star trek prodigy season three would be like because it looks like it could be really good 👍
That was kind of my experience with the back half of season 3. Where it just picked up motion and I just watched the whole thing at once.
I think one can argue that Zero didn't completely assimilate.
They got what they wanted, the ability to touch and have sensation, but they still look very different than a typical corporeal being. They could choose any suit they wanted, and wound up with one similar to what they originally had, that felt right for them, rather than a more humanoid-looking body. They made the choice to take the elements of society they wanted, and reject the expectations of others. Ideally, queer people can do the same, choose any elements of heteronormativity that make them happy, and disregard the rest.
I feel like I should post that Ron Burgundy "I don't believe you" gif in reaponse to that opening line. 2 very unbelievable claims.
Sorry the Prodigy S2 videos haven't done so well for you. I think that's less on you, more on the series itself, especially this big dump style of release rather than weekly buildup. Also, it may just be the spaces of the internet I frequent, but most of the talk I've seen about this season of this show have come from you and Steve Shives, not much else. I haven't logged into Netflix in many months or maybe even more than a year (not my account, so it's not like I'm wasting my money), so I haven't seen anything that way, nor have I caught any online ads.
I'm not as big of a fan of Prodigy, but these videos have helped give me interest, at least. Also, hearing Dal realizes he should be Gwynn's first officer rather than the captain is character growth I felt he should've had by the end of the first season. He didn't seem like captain material, at least not yet, he hadn't matured enough. Then again, he's always rubbed me the wrong way: the entire group feels a bit like a D&D (or such) party, but Dal has always felt like the one whose player always needs to be "ultra special" (he's genetically modified with a bunch of species' DNA), the centre of attention, and always in charge. That type of thing bothers me a lot. Sad to hear best girl Rok-Tahk doesn't get a lot, she deserves the spotlight.
Absolute Kudos to this production...but for the slow people in the room (me), after protostar was returned, how was the timeline of the Diviner's slave camp from S1 reconciled? Was that scenario from yet another timeline that got altered, erased, or did it ever exist? If so, how did all our characters ever come together? I know I had to miss something. Thanks for everybody's help! 😕
They change the future so the civil war and destruction of Solumn never happens but the diviner from the first future was never prevented from time traveling back and the mine still existed. He just would never have found it and they never would have escaped. I'm not sure how that prevented Gwyn from existing, I must have missed something. The unwanted who are off in the Red 12 still exist, Gwyn still exists, and the past remains unchanged because they got the ship back to the mine.
@@niamhfox9559 It's less that the mine still existed but that the group was still born, it's explained that the specifics of them meeting matters less than the major points in time. And Gwen doesn't exist because he only defied his Order's rules and made Gwyn because of a specific combination of factors. He needed to be close enough to finding the protostar to justify breaking the rules but still far enough away that he might die before he found it.
Timey-wimey shenanigans.
@@kaydb42 😄😄😄
@niamhfox9559 thanks, that helps!
Season for the season god!
Don't get me wrong. I love ST: Prodigy for many of the reasons you discuss; and will die on this hill. But, isn't there a huge plot hole unresolved at the end? Okay, hear me out. They get the Protostar back to Tars Lamora when it's needed to preserve the timeline. But, don't the young Diviner and Ascencia undergo radical changes to their previous timelines due to Gwynn and friends showing up? What possible motivation would they have to end up as they are in season one? Maybe there's an answer to this I'm unaware of. Help?
I was left confused by the resolution. The motivation of the whole plot was that Gwyn was a paradox because the Protostar had not gone back to Tars Lamora, so The Diviner never made her. The Protostar contained the Living Construct from 54 years in the future because Solum was ripped apart by civil war after first contact with the Federation, a few years after the events of Orobourus Parts 1 and 2. But now, a different first contact has happened on Solum, Ilthuran isn't going to grow up to become The Diviner, the Living Construct will never be made, so reality is still broken. Are we meant to think that the Solum civil war timeline was actually the abortive one, and so the Living Construct has come into the Prime timeline from a branched reality?
Also, while the temporal shielding stuff somehow protected the Infinity and Voyager A from the changes to the timeline, how come all of Starfleet was also unaffected? They should have had no idea who Dal, Gwyn, Jankom, Zero, Rok-Tahk, and Murf were; the whole thing with the Living Construct should not have happened from their perspective.
Maybe I'm getting slower as I get older, so maybe I missed something, but are all of the various wormholes really just plotholes?
It does all get weird, BUT ... I'm reasoning that since Prodigy originally went through a wormhole to get to this future Solum, which was torn apart by civil war, it could more easily be an alt-universe. The civil war happens in that timeline, regardless of what happens in our Prime. The thing that still needed to happen, regardless, is the Prodigy being found by our heroes, and detonated ... creating the wormhole that allows them to get to that alt-reality? I have not read temporal mechanics 101, I just watch Doctor Who and try to keep up, but mostly, I'm with Janeway... it gives me a headache.
Both you and Steve shives have almost word for word given the same review on 🌟 star trek prodigy. It was in some ways kinda like something from the twilight zone or possibly star trek,😂. You should think about getting together and doing something on prodigy together
if you haven't read Oblions Gate it will tie some of the storyline together :)
Did anyone else get Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan vibes from Zero's corporeal form? I am also a little confused as to how Gwyn is going to be born when her father is happy back on Solum.
The Diviner already made her on Tars Lamora as long as the protostar was there. If the type of paradox that would remove her by changing current Solum was in play the plan to destroy the federation and save Solum with the living construct couldn't and wouldn't work.
I hate how Netflix has great one off’s that never get a 2nd or 3rd season
i really like Star Trek Prodigy and it has a good ending #StarTrekProdigy
I thought prodigy was…fine? The writing works pretty well on paper, as in it befits flattering analysis (reminds me of DS9 in that way), but I find it honestly perfunctory and not particularly inspired. I’m glad people like it. I’ll take it every day before discovery or most of Picard.
I can't believe they managed to take mirror janeway from Star trek online an make it good. Lol.
Maybe it's just me, but I think the new uniforms are some of the sexiest Trek uniforms ever.
I don't think that's what they were going for in a kid's show, featuring kids 😳 .. at least I hope not.
I need to know: will Hologram Janeway get together with the EMH Doctor?
I've keep laughing in my head about what "parameters" Chakotay kept with hologram Janeway after ten years alone ...
Jessie not an old lady, check ✅
Part of what I love about the evil whale is just knowing some (out of show) backstory. The whales are from Earth. They’re literally Terrans. As much as it’s a silly joke, I think it mirrors the way white supremacists have sometimes expanded the definition of whiteness. And once you have the sci-fi analogy with space aliens, well those whales are Terrans, too.
Too bad about the video performance. I feel like that’s one of the flaws in the Netflix Binge model: it’s really hard to talk about the shows. I didn’t watch the first two review videos at first since I hadn’t watched the season yet. Binge-model has advantages (it’s hard to get bogged down in speculation about future episodes since you can just watch them), but it does make it harder to engage with other people about the shows.
But yeah, loved this season. I think it nailed the balance between episodic and long-plot, between deep lore and new characters, humor and seriousness. I’m asking myself whether I’d be more excited for Prodigy Season 3 or SNW Season 3, and I’m not sure where I land. I’d certainly be more excited for more Prodigy than Disco or Picard, and I enjoyed those.
Looking back, while Dal’s arc is interesting viewed as a whole, I feel like the showrunners goofed some in making early-Dal as unlikable to grown up viewers as they did, since I know that there’s at least some number people who bounced off the series early because of it. But the story overall was pretty good, and in hindsight, it seems clear that this always the character arc. There are so many moments when he’s doubting whether he’s doing the right thing as “captain” and times where what he really needs to do is defer to other’s skill, and in the S1 finale he does put Gwyn in the chair as she’s reaching out for assistance.
It was never the *writers* who didn't want a JC pairing, it was Mulgrew, it was 90s-level feminism, where the strong female leads were de-sexualized (like Scully on XF - but not in just about everything outside of that show) ... and within context it's understandable, but it never made it less frustrating (for me, as a teenaged girl at the time). Mulgrew didn't want the first female-captain-led series to devolve into some sort of romance, and she considered it unprofessional for the captain to date any crew. Problem is, the male captains always did 🤷♀️ and in this particular case it was VERY fitting, because it was two CAPTAINS, joining crews - Brady Bunch in space. I still love Kate Mulgrew, I just think she was wrong.
The same writers were all about their connection once they moved to the novels (especially post-Nemesis). That Mama Bear-Papa Bear aspect of them is part of what made Voyager the *perfect* major link for Prodigy, as a kid-focused show. I love how our new main characters are seen treating them very much as parents they want to see back together. I mean, why did they ever really care about getting Chakotay home? Because Mama Janeway wanted him home, in a way the whole crew probably felt. It's like ... all those movies you saw as a kid where the children were desperate to reunite parents, or people they thought should be their parents.
I love the way they teased Chakotay when he got all cleaned up before going back to Voyager. It reminded me of the way my sister and I would (lovingly) tease our dad when he started dating again ❤
It wasn’t just the writers. Jeri Taylor who was EP for the first few seasons also didn’t want it.
@jessiegenderafterdark5287 she called it stupid years later, and for the same reasons Mulgrew has said, but, yo, she's the one who started it! 😅💕 No take-backs. After she left, most of those moments disappeared. Taylor clearly at least wanted to explore it more at the time, as other writers have said they wanted to explore it more, they just didn't want to *commit* to it, and Mulgrew was very explicitly against it (and how to write it while leaving room to reset?).
Which, again, is understandable in the context of 90s sci-fi writing that seemed to have a difficult time imagining a strong female leader who's not celibate. The original idea for Resolutions was to have them live out a whole life together there, then time-wobble-magic them back onto Voyager with the crew - a way to explore that pairing without having them on ship. What is it with Voyager and time? 🤔 In some ways, I'm glad they didn't explore it more, they clearly lacked confidence in their ability to handle it, so I'll believe them, though Taylor clearly knew how to tease (and I was fine with those teases).
These writers on Prodigy have been doing a much better job at exploring interpersonal relationships without just creating "relationship drama" - which good writing doesn't need to rely on. I think being "for kids" has helped.
I've liked your reviews, by the way, forgot to mention that in my first comment. I only found your channel now, after season 2. Usually, I just watch Shives, but someone mentioned you in the comments. It's absolutely one of the best Trek shows in the modern tour for me 👌 - and I enjoy all the Treks. Sorry, I'm long-winded. Thank you!
Eh, nah. Wesley still sucks. But at least they tried, that much deserves credit.
Wesley Crusher has always been one of the coolest characters in Star Trek, folx just laughed when he was unnecessarily abused all to hell.
False, completely the opposite. He was an entitled little brat and he broke Picard's heart, he always sucked, and still does, probably always will. But at least Prodigy didn't tiptoe around him, they tried to use him for a plot, which is more than most do.
Dislike the Netflix model for new stuff, especially something 20 eps long. Loved this show and this season.
It’s a shame we probably not going to get a season 3; I don’t think Star Trek fans are really supporting this show like lower decks. Even if by a miracle a new season is green lighted, the show won’t be coming out for another 2 years
Love the enthusiasm here it's like no matter what you have to be negative...
Knowing Netflix they'll probably be like "You can have 10 episodes......split over 2 releases. Please Cliffhanger to appease our structured model to keep people subscribed"
It's a sad sad statement that the best Trek that's been on TV for the last 15 years Picard Season 3 and this show.
Discovery is a trainwreck.
No, Discovery's finale was trash, but everything else was peak.