Catastrophic Failure 2000 HP Street Cummins
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this heartbreaking episode, the new 6.8L Cummins engine experiences a catastrophic failure during break-in on the dyno and the hopes and dreams of a 2K HP street truck are shattered! Follow along as we bring you the carnage first hand and pour over the fragments to search for clues about the cause of the failure.
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When the family steps up to help out, it brings a tear to the eye.
Todd and Will would be the best bosses to work for.
they really are!
@@pddofficial is this Todd or Will speaking?
@@petr0rabbit Probably neither since it was said "They"
Not really I’ve had a few friends who’ve worked for them and they weren’t terrible but not great either
@@petr0rabbit Neither of them just a salesman/tech support guy
When you pushing the bleeding edge things like this are bound to happen. It still sucks to without a sponsor......hey Hamilton help this guy out! I am sure you'd get lots of sales from this.....
Your cameraperson has a good eye, some great looking shots throughout. That smoking piston shot was great! Well done!
Eric is really a good camera guy
Yes that was a full send! Love how positive josh remained even after seeing his dreams go up in smoke. Just goes to show how strong you guys are as people on top of coming together to help recoup some of what was lost! Best of luck Josh can't wait to see what you build next!
Absolutely!!
Looks like it’s Enforcer time.
Glad I went that direction. I hope Hamilton doesn’t ghost you if it had anything to do with Q.C. On their end
Will and Todd would be the absolute best to work for.
I'm sorry about your loss. On the plus side some people lose 25k on gambling or drugs so I'd have to say at the very least this was the most epic badass way to lose that much. And you got it on video so it's kinda a badge of honor. I know this won't set you back, but only push you forward to make it stronger than ever. Keep on truckin my friend.
I’m starting to rethink buying the Hamilton Comp.Block. Maybe D&J is the way to go. Josh, will you be giving Hamilton another chance and has Hamilton offered any kind of help! Looks like block failed before the full windowed pull!
I was thinking the same. You spend that much on a block and the coolant jacks are closer to the bore then the stock block? Makes no sense for a “competition” block
Josh is going D&j deck plate is what he's said. Hamilton is getting some pieces to test from what I've gathered but they're on some petty shit and its pretty obvious they aren't going to take responsibility for thin casting
@@dontworryaboutit1 Let em not take ownership of the crappy casting, people will hear about this and not buy from hamilton. Wow what a "comp block".... Competition boat anchor more like it.
@@contenderforthefaith5421 well they lost my business. Why would I be in a block over 10 grand to have it ready to set parts when factory 6.7 blocks have a better track record 😂. I don't know if you've kept up with the description of the block being changed or their warranty policy after this incident but they definitely aren't going to make it right. Josh has been open about everything and he's having their metal tested too but from the measurements they took it was 100% a casting issue they won't own up too.
mark robinson I was literally getting ready to buy one, but definitely holding off to see how this plays out. Hamilton are good guys or atleast that’s how I have always perceived the company. We are talking about One of the biggest 12 valve specialist shops in the business.(Power Driven Diesel). Lots of eyes & ears especially with what RUclips Is today! I would think Hamilton will step up for them!! 🤔
Good on Todd and will. Good luck Josh, need some more vids from Todd and Will been very quiet these days Josh has had to hold the fort
Awesome you get to be a part of the Team at Power Driven Josh. Amazing what they did for you on the discount code!
I’m feeling sorry for josh,but the video is great 💪🏻
Josh always has fun dyno sessions that make great videos!!! Thanks Mike!
I have seen a few failure videos from you guys lately that have several breaks and overnight rebuilds. The amount of resiliency and morale you guys have is unmatched! Would love to work with some guys doing this work on a daily. Minus breaking obviously.
Feel bad for you Josh. Keep up the hard work. I know you and the guys at Power Driven will get you to your goal.
I'm just amazed these high performance motors don't melt down before they do. Just listening to them is amazing and frightening at the same time.
They are frightening in person as well, that chassis dyno is scary when power exceeds 1000 HP!
First of all, feel real bad for you Josh, saw the article in Engine Builder! Second - sounds like Hamilton might at least owe you a new block and at least a piston in order to save some "face" !! Third - super cool for Todd and Will to help Josh out with this, after all they have gotten a LOT of content out of Josh and probably with continue to as CR is what most of us drive and modify!!
I don't think Hamilton cares about saving face I personally have had nothing but problems with there product and customer service!
@@user-el4ii7zq6l Hmmmm, good to know, might think twice in the future on what to choose ! You guys are great, really appreciate the educational entertainment that you guys crank out!!!
Hey, that Hamilton steel cam stayed together! No way a cast OEM cam would have survived that blow up! This was a sample size of 1 so it's not fair to say anything is always problematic or bullet proof!
That's painful to watch, when $25k just dissappear down the toilet.
Gotta pay to play. When diesel is life some will go any distance to build the dream
That motor was probably in the 45-50k range, I just finished building my 5.9 long block at I have a round 35k into mine and I still need to spend 4K on injectors, and 3200 on a cp3.
@@andrewverdun3863 , is your motor gold plated? Why so expensive, what goes into?
@@mustangdemon87 , you got to be reach or make over 100k to build diesel dreams.
Dissembles and falls on the floor
Well looks like I’m going to have to buy some more stuff here soon.
Josh is a great dude. Met him when my dad and I were at the shop in November. Just finished my K3500/Cummins swap but I'll be buying something with the promo code, I'm sure. You should too!
Thank you!
That shaved crank, I remember someone doing that on compD years ago but never followed through. Cool to see someone doing it again
I agree, looks like the block gave it up first. Classic failure splitting out thru the bolt holes. Back in the day split several 12v blocks like that some from end to end. At 13:49 it is visible a lot of sand caved in in that casting also appears there maybe a metal issue at the bottom of that right hand head bolt/ You can see it looks real shiny compared to everything else. A pitty Hamilton can't put a chamfer on a hole. Everyone visible there is a sharp as machined hole, that makes a huge stress riser and a perfect place for cracks to start. Going to be some much better recast blocks coming out of Pa/Ohio I hear soon but they won't be wet blocks.
We've had excellent results with the solid Hamilton blocks. Is there another solid block coming out?
@@pddofficial One of the shops I do machine work for is looking into getting blocks cast to be a more affordable option to the deck plate motors. They likely will be 4 bolt mains with cross bolts as well to tie the entire lower structure of the block together in a girder around the plane of the crank rather than below it like a girdle does. So no girdle will be needed.
Josh go to a D&J deck plate engine and never look back man. The situation you got put in really really sucks and I feel for ya man. On the bright side Drew has his stuff figured out and the proof is in the pudding, hope to see you at the track soon man!
In the quest for horsepower, it's ONLY a real failure if you learned nothing from the failure. Don't quit!
He learned not to use Hamilton blocks lol
Yup, very expensive hobby too. Anyone who has built engines knows this will happen, it's not just a chance
First and foremost I glad to see no one was hurt. Second I’m sorry you blew up a motor. I enjoy watching everything you guys do with the Cummins it shows that the engine can take a beating before she gives. I. So glad I found this stuff and have also learned a bunch from this stuff. PDD keep up the good work and the putting new stuff out.
Thanks for the kind words, and the only way to really learn is to test the limits and analyze the results!
You guys are an awesome team you bend over backwards for each other and nothing can get between you and I hope that you all can get together again in the future to play with some hp again❤❤❤ we miss this crew altogether but glad everyone is doing good❤❤❤
Factory is better, Hamilton should refund for the block
I agree
@@Izzabumminz How in the FUCK is this Hamilton's fault or doing or responsiability?? I enjoy the builds and everything else that goes with this channel I enjoy Todd Will Josh and anyone else that cares to share knowledge of the forbidden fruit ie. failure. You could make that aurgument that Josh didn't properly inspect, detect and select the block prior to igniting his life savings with turbin charger ( insert Apu joke from Simpsons) The word is perspective. Good on Josh for saying boys and girls Hold ma beer and watch this here thingy !!!!!!! this is more fun than slap your sister in the back of head when she's given head.
Anyhow Josh this sucks but this is an exercise in humility Well done
NOT the blocks fault. Failure of a moving part will wreck any block
@@adamgardner4213, watch video without skipping
@@ineeddollars lots of people saying the block was the first part to fail. And Hamilton claims this block will hold 3000hp... so if the block failed first, then Hamilton is somewhat responsible.
Been around this stuff for a long time , as the old , but very true sayin goes , That’s Racing .
I feel your pain, Josh. I'm a drag racer that runs Competition Eliminator and everything we have is pushing the limits. In this case, considering how high on the cylinder the damage was etc I'd say that was a Piston failure, or like you said a block failure. Bad casting? Maybe a core shift making the casting weak in that spot. The silver lining is it looks like the cam, crank and other 5 rods and pistons are saveable. That should save a fair amount of $$$
That’s awesome that y’all are doing a sale to support an employee and it’s a win win for everyone, looks like it’s time to order me a set of 100% ddp injectors for my 2012 4th gen
sounds good thanks!
Damn dude!! She caught the covid man..........matches up with how great 2020 is going so far I guess. Mostly with a smile from what we saw too, I could not imagine having that happen Josh. I'd still be on the ground quivering if that were my motor............end of line, end of enthusiasm, end of hobby, end of marriage............🤣🤣🤣🤣. Pretty damn cool that Will and Todd are doing what they can help with the rebound in this deal, that's all anyone could hope is to have even a fraction of that support from their employer in a situation like this..............TOP SHELF BOYS!!
Josh thanks for all the great information it helps all of us out even the guys building daily drivers
Any time!
From what I know about Hamilton if they think the responsibility is on them you’ll have a new short block with in days at no cost. Pride is priceless
I agree they stood behind an issue I had with a head and we got it done thanks ton Zack and Mitch. JG out West
What a great attitude. I talked to Josh on the phone for advise on my son's pickup. Great bunch of guys out there in Utah.
Thank you we appreciate it
thats a really cool way of helping him out !!
a block is just a block - but man lost all the electronics as well ............. that SUCKS!
it was a rough day!
Cool bosses to work for, they know you pay to play and shit like this is inevitable and no one should feel sorry but his employer does and that's really stand up of those guys
Hamilton should.. that has to be a casting issue if an oem block is 60 thousands thicker .. hate to see that happen to Josh though
That thing came apart like my last relationship, like if you know what I mean.
A little JB Weld and some Flex Seal family of products and it'll be good as new!
Seriously this isnt that bad. A little touch up paint on the block after. Good as new
Are you guys following Gale Banks build up and what all is involved in hitting a reliable 1000hp diesel? He really has a LOT of instrumentation and knows what all of his temps are. You may be doing the same thing I just don't know. I do know that he keeps saying that if black smoke is pouring out of the exhaust, your piston/cylinder temps are very high and as he says "pulling the pin on a grenade". Now he is making or trying to make reliable longer term power, not drag race quick power. I don't know what your customer wanted from this engine. Just thinking out loud. But all in all I really thought that was a fantastic blow up on the dyno. Looked great! .:) I give it a 10 out of 10!
EVERYTIME YOU GUYS BUILD IT BLOWS. 2021 will be the year of victories
Oh man!!! I was counting on you!! Want to build a 2000hp cummins for myself!!!
$60K.
Damn part numbers everywhere. Thanks for sharing sir!
10 out of 10 Josh. That was a hell of as blow up. Hope to see you hit that 2000hp mark soon!
Dam ya didn’t even start to push it as hard as before. Something failed. There is no way you did something wrong but don’t give up guys. Keep on going guys.
Wow Josh, so sorry to see that! I do need a few things, I'll put in my 2.5‰!
All good
That sucks man , feel bad for you, was looking forward to the build
he will be back
Lol the factory cross hatch is good lolol I spit coffee out on that one hahahaha
That guitar solo was nice
Damn, 🏝️ here in Florida we call that engine a boat anchor 😂💨
Oh no 🙈 man this looks expensive....
yes
Great video Eric.! Is there a way to donate directly to Josh.?
What a tough pill to swallow especially when you fell comfortable and confident in your build...
Man this is what guys cry about we got you buddy
appreciate it!
For what those blocks cost there should be better quality control than that!
@xv70 1 What do you mean it's not rated for that kind of power? It's a competition block!
xv70 1 They’re rated for 3,000 horse power so..
@@matttraxler3567 what I was thinking.... Some people need to do research before opening there mouth if they don't have any clue.
Time to step up and help out. Damn the luck!
thanks!
Man that is horrible to see i know i was so excited to see where that build went. And 20 some thousand straight down the drain just trying to tune it.
Especially like the filming and the editing of this video. Right on y'all!! Look's great!!
So anyone done anything with the new compacted graphite Cummins blocks?
Damn. That's a bad day. Hp is a hard drug to beat.
I agree 💯 on a side note you gotta pay to play no matter what it is. The man admitted he seen something wrong when he was hot tq the head. And he was over confident but I'm sure with this exposure Hamilton will get this guy back in no time just so they won't lose business. IMO the block is the big ticket item to replace 🙄
I was just going to say how does anyone recover from that loss has to be north of $10,000.
lol 10,000. Be closer to 25k
it is hard that is why we are running a 2.5 Percent off with the code Josh and that will help get Josh a new motors
@@dieselman8v923 It was wishful thinking for sure.
@@pddofficial I wish I could get my compounds next month but still about $1000.00 away getting closer every day.
I’m a nuclear engineer and I don’t understand how you guys afford to break builds like this and my bet is it was way more than $10k probably $20k
Cool build sorry to see the Damage
I would love to see this on a non Big Tech platform.
Please.
Was this a Hamilton block? There was a post on Firepunk forum how another lost everything when it let go at 1250 hp. Upon inspection it looked like the casting went sideways and ended up being a lot thinner than stock, leaving the Hammy a lot weaker than stock. Make sure you check that. Sad to see it let go
Just finished watching the video and looks like you guys are on to it. Hopefully Hamilton has a recall and helps their customers out
I miss that Fire when young.....keep on, keeping on Josh, be looking for 2,000
With that kind of torque, it’s all about the pistons and connecting rods and wrist pins!!
Man sorry that sucks worst feeling having your truck blow up and you are so humble about it love your content i am a powerstroke guy but truck guy at the end of the day hope everyone helps out and your not out to much keep it up guys
Appreciate it!
Josh blew the crap out of who? I kid. Kudos to Josh for always pushing his builds to the limit.
I would say he went past the limit, good luck on putting it back together.
the problem is that it blew up at 1300 hp the limited of the block is 2k
Power Driven Diesel - Companies should pay Josh to find the real life limitations of their parts.
I see a billet block coming
Damn that’s painful to see. Tons of work, tons of money. Good luck Josh!
Thanks!
Sorry for your loss brother
Sucks, sorry. That piston had a nice blue color. Not sure if that means anything. I wish I bought my parts a month later to help you out. Good luck!
Josh if you genuinely cried about what happened I bet EVERYONE WOULD UNDERSTAND. Wow that's what you called a windowed block.
More like a doored block front door and back door.
Core shift. I went through this with 3 Hamilton stage 3 heads before I got a half way decent one. Then the machine work was so bad I ended up going stock ported. Had about the same amount of money at the end of the day. But had a way better head in the end.
Might also be worth looking at how the fire ring was machined. If it has sharp corners it will be a stress raiser that can cause cracking that would propagate pretty quickly given the stress the block is already under.
Fire ring groove in the block and head is a radius aka round groove, not a rectangular groove.
PDD is like a family which is nice to see in this day where you can give a company everything you can even to the point of making stuff at home for free and have a bad day that leads to one bad private conversation about someone and get fired or more accurately damn near fired and talked into quitting because of the hostile work environment. Josh you picked an expensive hobby might have been cheaper to have gone with meth or cocaine :) It will all work out though and you will see your 2k eventually. Failure is temporary.
We try to treat everyone like family, the golden rule is still golden here at PDD!!!
Don’t forget to check the filter for shavings!😂😂
Sorry for ur loss
I would love to work there. All i do everyday is fix engines. Just started my drag week build!!
We are hiring, send your resume to jobs@powerdrivendiesel.com
If i lived out there i would apply. But im all the way in Michigan
I am not a diesel mechanic but I know the laws of nature don't change just because diesel fuel is used and ANY engine bellowing black smoke like that is ultra rich and not lean as stated in the video so that might be a failure to consider. Also the claim that the rod stretched very nearly made me piss myself laughing because the huge dent on the side should be a strong clue that it smacked something as it was pinwheeling inside the crankcase. It had to happen after the wrist pin was ejected as well because if the pin was still in the rod it would retain the size of the steel pin no matter what. I want to see if Gale Banks does a video about this failure and if he decides to offer some help in getting to that 2k number. He is working on a dirtymax now but has played with cummins for years as well and it would make an interesting collaboration in my opinion.
Help paying the new bill off.lmao
What an awesome video 👌👌👌 well put together. You’re the man Josh
I appreciate that!
Painful to watch but absolutely awesome video.
Tell me about it
some folks never learn all on cast blocks taking it to the roof with no cool air or ice to help keep the bits cool and a titanium forage block lets get up there
When the Cummins says "Nope.... I'm done.... F-This, I'm out....."
Spits piston on ground.....
your video guy is getting goooood
Thank you!
10/10 full send. Good job buddy
That block said NOPE........
Clean it all up and get it put back together all Cummins
damn man, 20k in the hole. I feel for you Josh 😭
This guy is actually better than that one guy whistling diesel who destroy things on propuse,, josh was testing and pushing the limits at least ,, looking for 2000 hp ended with greased empty hands .. lesson learned hopefully ,, I may buy some stuff from diésel driven power with or without code even though I’m Duramax guy
We make an excellent performance diesel engine oil, those Dmax's need good oil too! Please use the discount code if you want to support Josh!
At 12:00 when that thing starts puking out pieces. Just painful. Ugh.
Like Ken block says until you push your mechanical limits of your engines you will never build the best
Easy to say when you have a full sponsorship and everythings paid for. Free vehicle, engine, parts, R&D team, mechanics, and basically unlimited resources. Then of course it's easy to say shit like that lol. But I'd be saying the same shit if I was ken ; )
That’s tuff brotha but I know you’ll built it bigger and better next time
That oil looks awful. I know diesel oil is dirtier, but is it usually that bad?
Oil gets dark quickly on race engines with larger than stock ring gaps and such, the sooty blowby on a diesel is much nastier than a gasoline engine. If we build a new 500ish or less HP engine to nearly stock specs, the oil will stay golden and clean for about 2k miles. On one of these loose big power engines, oil stays golden colored for 1 run! Now the super nasty thick oil in the picture is the result of water mixed with sooty oil, cast iron metal bits, raw fuel, etc.... it was pretty nasty!
Ejecto piston cuz!
That smoking piston rolling out was quite the surprise! Josh definitely knows how to create memorable dyno sessions!
Awesome vid for the wrong reasons, just a well put together vid on a bad subject. Sorry for your loss josh.
Don'tcha know, that's the Cummin's burst plate!
That’s a bummer to watch that piston go on vacation like that.
Cylinder #5 someone messed up or coolant passages not enough research?? Idk
2000 hp is a lot im no expert
Man I just talked to Josh yesterday asking about the timing for my 12 valve. I guess this is why he sounded kinda bummed out
He's slowly getting back to his cheery self!
Shoulda got a 12 valve 😂
Sorry to hear josh hopefully you can make some cash from this video. Don’t think I would have taken it as well as you when you have gone for the better block. I would maybe I vest a little bit more insulation and protection of your electrical components. So at least protect yourself on that front