I worked at Allis dealer during all this transition and attended the Deutz buy-out meeting. The message was “It vill be green, it vill be air cooled, and you vill like it!” I always thought that we were gaining market share with the 8000 series but the Deutz was a setback. We did sell a few to customers who liked specific features, but our Case line became more popular. After an interim away as a JD Service Manager, I worked at AGCO Batavia call-center as a parts Tech Specialist during the Fendt acquisition. There were major changes in all of the “tractor companies” during that time. At the time, it was hard to imagine that AGCO would be what it is today. Bob Ratliff deserves a lot of credit as a true visionary!
People seem to forget that Agco stands for Allis gleaner Corp. seem that Agco them selves tend to forget that with them not building the orange tractor anymore
I owned was 2 air cooled Deutz’s…. Never needed a single part for 25 years and replaced them with 2 Hesston’s that were just as reliable but ran on 25% less fuel…. Was amazing!! Had a small David Brown with a blade just to clean the barnyard only thing is ever needed was 4 tires and 2 front rims in 49 years. All from the same dealership before these guy came along…..
Parts, service ,ease of services reliability,warranty is what is needed... CAT is famous for this. Parts and lack of trained mechanics for so many foreign made tractors an issue.
@@Hawken54 if you want to get technical, Tenneco which owned Case at the time purchased the agricultural components of IH because they were in a financial struggle. Basically it was the farm crisis, interest rates, the unions, and bad management that caused IH to go under.
So out of the original 7, only 2 remain un-merged with each other...interesting to see how far it has come...in a way its sad It is interesting to see the Gleaner plant used for other things too
@@haweater1555 just ignore them waiting for rotary patents to expire to go back on their "never rotary" word, being 20 years behind, and saying farmers shouldn't repair their equipment, or even possibly own them, but just have a licence to use them. also ignore the bi rotor patents they bought but never used. In the words of Ratliff: its a marketing game, no one has anything better or worse, just some have better marketing than the other. At least the others have the guts to take risks, deere never has, they've always played it safe.
@@J-1410 Why would they take the risk? Taking said risk took alot of them out of business. Took ih down for one but also you can't say they never took any at all because you don't get 70 percent of the market without taking a couple. As far as the rotary comment, you build what customers want and they still build walker machines all be it over seas. And the right to repair I'm not sure how Deere is the one everyone goes to but there alot of companies in on it also.
@@chadjustice8560 Take risks to actually have a name for your self besides "copycat". 70%? I'd like a source on that. Marketing as I said before. Customers wanted rotaries in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, oh look, Deere finally went back on their word and made a "totally new and original" combine, just ignore the IH test combine purchase and lawsuit and that the patents expired. Same story with tracked machines. Right to repair: Because deere is the only one to do it(agriculture), the others let you fix you stuff, not "see your dealer", and not say "well do you really own your tractor?"
I find it interesting they included Same. I knew about Same from playing farming simulator. Never knew they imported orchard tractors to the US. Wasn't for very long because Same-Lamborghini- Hurlimann tractors haven't been imported since
AGCO sold off Deutz and Same to an Italian company, so they got bundled together with Lamborghin and Hurlimann. Don't know if part of the deal was they weren't allowed to sell to the North America, or if they just don't have the ability to get in, but they're definitely not sold there. Now AGCO makes orchard tractors under Fendt and Massey-Ferguson, though, so they don't need to important anything.
Somehow they went from all those great American brand names everyone knew to trying to sell us Fent. Valtra and Challenger. The Challenger line is nothing without Cat and Fent and Valtra mean nothing to me.
Why? The Fendt Challenger Valtra and Masseys all roll off the same assembly line. Their identical tractors painted different liverys depending on market.
@@nalley6815 Massey, Fendts, and Challengers are all owned by agco. Most of the parts between Fendt and Massey are interchangeable. They're literally designed by the same people and built in the same factories at this point. Atleast in my part of the country their services and sold by the same dealer network
Seems whoever made this video doesn't know where AGCO came from, or they were ashamed of it for some reason even though Allis had a lot more class and better reputation than after they turned into AGCO
I worked at Allis dealer during all this transition and attended the Deutz buy-out meeting. The message was “It vill be green, it vill be air cooled, and you vill like it!” I always thought that we were gaining market share with the 8000 series but the Deutz was a setback. We did sell a few to customers who liked specific features, but our Case line became more popular. After an interim away as a JD Service Manager, I worked at AGCO Batavia call-center as a parts Tech Specialist during the Fendt acquisition. There were major changes in all of the “tractor companies” during that time. At the time, it was hard to imagine that AGCO would be what it is today. Bob Ratliff deserves a lot of credit as a true visionary!
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I worked at Allis dealer during all this transition and attended the Deutz buy-out meeting. The message was “It vill be green, it vill be air cooled, and you vill like it!” I always thought that we were gaining market share with the 8000 series but the Deutz was a setback. We did sell a few to customers who liked specific features, but our Case line became more popular. After an interim away as a JD Service Manager, I worked at AGCO Batavia call-center as a parts Tech Specialist during the Fendt acquisition. There were major changes in all of the “tractor companies” during that time. At the time, it was hard to imagine that AGCO would be what it is today. Bob Ratliff deserves a lot of credit as a true visionary!
" ....And you Vill like it. " Idk about the tractor, but i sure do love how you describe stuff
I bought 2 of those green things and loved them
I love them. Having used many different brands, the Air cooled Deutz tractors are the ones i've had the best experience with.
I watched this over and over again because of the intro, AGCO allis, gleaner, and white
Damn I miss the 90’s. We need to go back!
People seem to forget that Agco stands for Allis gleaner Corp. seem that Agco them selves tend to forget that with them not building the orange tractor anymore
Great video. I have a video out this coming weekend on Allis Chalmers.. This video has helped my research. 👍
I owned was 2 air cooled Deutz’s…. Never needed a single part for 25 years and replaced them with 2 Hesston’s that were just as reliable but ran on 25% less fuel…. Was amazing!! Had a small David Brown with a blade just to clean the barnyard only thing is ever needed was 4 tires and 2 front rims in 49 years. All from the same dealership before these guy came along…..
Great vid👍this vid was made before Fendt n Challenge enter AGCO family.
Parts, service ,ease of services reliability,warranty is what is needed... CAT is famous for this.
Parts and lack of trained mechanics for so many foreign made tractors an issue.
Wished they never dropped White Farm Equipment
I'm an international guy, but I love these videos. Keep them coming!
Didn't Case buy IH out because IH got into a financial bind?
@@Hawken54 if you want to get technical, Tenneco which owned Case at the time purchased the agricultural components of IH because they were in a financial struggle. Basically it was the farm crisis, interest rates, the unions, and bad management that caused IH to go under.
@@Hawken54 the 80s got IH, Allis, White, and Nearly Case.
Very nice😃
I'm glad to See these fine video.
Keep on going.
Agriculture is a passion 😊
keep them coming really enjoy these videos thank you
Awesome! Thanks for uploading this!
This video takes me back thankyou
3:36 is that a Case International tractor pulling that new idea mower?
Yes a maxxum
So out of the original 7, only 2 remain un-merged with each other...interesting to see how far it has come...in a way its sad
It is interesting to see the Gleaner plant used for other things too
And every time AGCO or CNH re-shuffle brands / colors, the green guys state "Solid, Stable, John Deere is still John Deere"
@@haweater1555 just ignore them waiting for rotary patents to expire to go back on their "never rotary" word, being 20 years behind, and saying farmers shouldn't repair their equipment, or even possibly own them, but just have a licence to use them. also ignore the bi rotor patents they bought but never used.
In the words of Ratliff: its a marketing game, no one has anything better or worse, just some have better marketing than the other.
At least the others have the guts to take risks, deere never has, they've always played it safe.
@@J-1410 Why would they take the risk? Taking said risk took alot of them out of business. Took ih down for one but also you can't say they never took any at all because you don't get 70 percent of the market without taking a couple. As far as the rotary comment, you build what customers want and they still build walker machines all be it over seas. And the right to repair I'm not sure how Deere is the one everyone goes to but there alot of companies in on it also.
@@chadjustice8560 Take risks to actually have a name for your self besides "copycat".
70%? I'd like a source on that. Marketing as I said before.
Customers wanted rotaries in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, oh look, Deere finally went back on their word and made a "totally new and original" combine, just ignore the IH test combine purchase and lawsuit and that the patents expired. Same story with tracked machines.
Right to repair: Because deere is the only one to do it(agriculture), the others let you fix you stuff, not "see your dealer", and not say "well do you really own your tractor?"
@@J-1410 Well said.
AGCO: Its The Best For Farm Equipment, Hands Down, I Love Agco
The VHS asthetic is strong with this one
I miss Allis Chalmers I wish they wouldn't have got bought out
same
Right it sucks kinda wish agco would do a spirit of Allis Chalmers kinda like white did
@@Jordannelson23 the name allis chalmers is owned by the original company still, and they are some energy company that wont sell it for some reason
listening, learning and leading the way
freaking love this
It’s like they completely forgot allis
Dealer network has been very thin since the 90's for a lot of MN. Be nice if they built that up again.
I don't think AGCO is a serious contender. In southern Minnesota JD dealers are everywhere.
same in ND and MT
Doesn't help that they ended the largest Gleaner dealer in North America either
@@J-1410 who was that?
Same in South Texas... and pretty much all of Texas from what I've seen. AGCO is pretty much nonexistent... or at least not a player. Later! OL J R :)
@@robwar2288 Vader in Enid Ok.
I find it interesting they included Same. I knew about Same from playing farming simulator. Never knew they imported orchard tractors to the US. Wasn't for very long because Same-Lamborghini- Hurlimann tractors haven't been imported since
AGCO sold off Deutz and Same to an Italian company, so they got bundled together with Lamborghin and Hurlimann. Don't know if part of the deal was they weren't allowed to sell to the North America, or if they just don't have the ability to get in, but they're definitely not sold there. Now AGCO makes orchard tractors under Fendt and Massey-Ferguson, though, so they don't need to important anything.
2:02 ... SAME ?!
What year the became independent again ?
Somehow they went from all those great American brand names everyone knew to trying to sell us Fent. Valtra and Challenger.
The Challenger line is nothing without Cat and Fent and Valtra mean nothing to me.
Why? The Fendt Challenger Valtra and Masseys all roll off the same assembly line. Their identical tractors painted different liverys depending on market.
they ditched the Challenger name too and sell them all as Fendt now
@@tannertaylor9432Massey and fendt is absolutely not the same thing
@@nalley6815 Massey, Fendts, and Challengers are all owned by agco. Most of the parts between Fendt and Massey are interchangeable. They're literally designed by the same people and built in the same factories at this point. Atleast in my part of the country their services and sold by the same dealer network
Love the tractor s
Kelly tractor co.
Can't even find my fuel filter
Seems whoever made this video doesn't know where AGCO came from, or they were ashamed of it for some reason even though Allis had a lot more class and better reputation than after they turned into AGCO
Man I miss just hesston equipment not Massey bs
Well, this was dated!
More corporate propaganda.
Agco .big company made up of big failures
Allis chalmers failed because of financial problems, it was a big failure other brands now
@@M60A3 allis got into financial difficulties by building substandard equipment ☹️
Agco SUCKS.
I actually worked for an agco dealer for 4 years. Nashville Illinois. Pos
lol you sound like you have green underwear
I worked at Allis dealer during all this transition and attended the Deutz buy-out meeting. The message was “It vill be green, it vill be air cooled, and you vill like it!” I always thought that we were gaining market share with the 8000 series but the Deutz was a setback. We did sell a few to customers who liked specific features, but our Case line became more popular. After an interim away as a JD Service Manager, I worked at AGCO Batavia call-center as a parts Tech Specialist during the Fendt acquisition. There were major changes in all of the “tractor companies” during that time. At the time, it was hard to imagine that AGCO would be what it is today. Bob Ratliff deserves a lot of credit as a true visionary!
Yeah I just traded Deere for Fendt after green in the family for 70 years !
@@robwar2288 fendts are technically a green tractor.
@@CheeseMiser oh sorry we call it Green and Slime Shit Green are you Fucking Happy 😊 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊