JefferyJ, I want to tell you how much I appreciate your videos. They gave me the confidence to buy a 20W fiber laser to mark tools we make for my business. I was able to get it up and running and make great marks within a few hours. Your videos and test files made that possible. Thank you for taking the time to great and post them, the information is so valuable. Thank you Sami
Thank you for posting this video. There is a real lack of information about these Fiber Lasers. Your video is the first one I have seen that actually talks about what you get for your money.
There is a button on the top of the head that enables the focusing lasers, there are two of them and when they become a single dot on the thing you want to etch its in focus :) They may not always be adjusted correctly/damaged in shipping but mine came setup correctly.
Hi ... On flat surface both dots are connecting at same place once we place any ring on that area it is not connecting while rotating top head. How to know the exact engrave area of that. After pressing F1 it is showing on ring but after pressing F2 nothing engraved on that area. Means what to do for that. Please explain
Thank you for sharing this video. It answered all my questions and afew more I should've had. Your way of explaining is the textbook example for teaching with compassion.
Just wanted to let you know that your videos are awesome and to keep up the great work. Because of your video I’ve started looking into getting one myself. Thank you.
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If you get an open version like this I'd strongly recommend making an enclosed frame out of extrusion or similar and wearing fiber safe glasses when marking. We did this with ours and will be fitting a reed switch connected to a stop on the frame door. Apparently when you get hit by one of these in the eyes it feels like a hair dryer without the heat, and that's it. Vision gone instantly and permanently, unlike a CO2. I can't stress enough, don't use these without decent eye protection. Our 30 watt gives a 2mm deep engrave in aluminium in 5 or 6 hours. Much longer on steel as you have to leave it to cool periodically otherwise it will warp.
How long would it take to get a .006 ( .152 mm) depth on 316L with a 20W? Also, what frequency, speed and focus do you recommend? Im sure there a differences between machines.
I have a buddy that has this exact machine and he marks all of his products with his logo. pretty cool unit, very good vid on how to set it up. thanks!
Hello Jeffery, thanks for the video, good demo. Although I already have a Co2 laser, I am just starting to look at fibre lasers to expand capabilities a bit. This has been helpful. I like the datum's that you have set up, but could I also suggest something that I used many years ago , on a YAG laser ( very expensive, with little options) , our company was manufacturing hundreds of different parts, which all had to be laser etched. This created a bottleneck at the laser, and fixture making to hold many parts also held us up. The solution was to locate a LEGO build base down on the table( MARKING AREA 110 MM x 110MM ) . The operators then built their own fixtures from LEGO bricks, simple snapping them down on the fixed base. Lego bricks are extremely accurate with 8 mm centres, The operators become very articulate, and were all up and running marking arrays of components very quickly. Just a thought.
There should be an attachment to help you find focal length easily. Like two lasers attached to either side of that head aimed to meet at focal length for the lens used. Otherwise, adjusting this focus every time the height of item being laser-marked changes will become tedious.
eBay sellers are either tied into or contracted sellers to shift a producer of the lasers they sell Amazon’s, Aliexpress etc are all basically the same. There are some drop seller type who have the online “store” on most if not all of the above, they sell the laser…the supplier or maker ships it out. So no matter the seller or the store, the laser is …usually…a quality product with factory support. A snag can apply where countries have a returns collector/ and hold new stock…returns can be “restored to factory a new batch of the inclusions and it can be sold as new!
Very helpful, thanks! One query: you don't mention grounding the machine. Mine arrived with a coiled grounding wire and a warning the machine should be grounded to stop it destroying itself with static electricity... I'm not sure how to do that, as mine is in the loft of my house.
Yep, I use an inline 4" fan that works pretty well. Before that, I started with a WEN filtration unit and an enclosure that you can see in another video I made if you're interested.
Thank you for this video. I was about to buy one but I just learned the output of NOT collimated and that means it is not good for 3D objects. Thanks for saving me $3000 (although those things are a bit cheaper here in China thanks to the booming smartphone repair applications to delaminate LCD and touch panels, but $2000 is still a fairly good chunk of money).
@@justinhughes4722 Depending on what you are after. For just marking, you can buy one of those cheapest $1000 lasers with AOM Q-switched laser source, cheapest galvo (usually Sino Galvo branded) and the Lite version of EZCAD control card and software. I actually ended buying one constructed this way, at a higher price because it uses all best components but the paper specs are not very good, essentially I paid for the quality, not the performance. One step up, you can get those so called MOPA lasers, which allows you to control pulse width, which is very important for precisely controlling laser dose. This is needed if you need to engrave color on steel (by controlling the energy, thus controlling the localized heat, thus controlling the thickness of oxidation film, this controlling the interference wavelength and color), or to engrave black on aluminum, or to engrave pure white on plastic. This will run you from $2500 to much much higher, depending on the brand and power of the laser and galvo, plus building quality. The one I'm building form scratch has its laser source alone to be $3500+ (JPT gen 7, 30W, MOPA), and a $1500 German galvo scanner, and custom control card and power architecture. I'm building it for nano material processing, so cost is not a factor. For marking use, this is highly overkill, and I think for beginner if you don't care about color or steel/color on titanium, just get those $1000~$2000 Q-switched fiber lasers.
Hey Jeff, Thanks for the video! What is your long term review on this machine after a few years? Also, I was wondering: what is the smallest spot diameter / line width you can achieve approximately when marking?
Great video. Is the style laser capable of marking on curved surfaces? In other words if you had a dome protruding from the surface the software compensate?
There is a feature in the software that can account for curvature, but it doesn't adjust the focal point of the laser. Some people use a larger lens like a 300x300 to get a wider marking angle so it's more forgiving on curved surfaces. This is often done to avoid using a rotary when marking cups.
Yes, a great vid! But I am wondering what brand this machine. BTW, I believe the 'split' designation refers to using two 10 watt lasers that are merged together to achieve 20 watts. I was looking at a laser system today that looked the same and seemed to be American made, but this is Chinese made?
Still looking around, and haven't bought one - YET...! First started reviewing those "Cheap Chinese Diode Lasers ("20 Watts"= 4 to 5 Watts output), and talked myself OUT of them. Then looked at the 40 to 50 Watt CO2 machines, and can't decide. Thank you SO Much for "finalizing my train of thought" about the Fiber Lasers. (Looking like Christmas might be early, this year!). Haha!
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I bought it from an eBay seller in California. I haven't needed any support yet so I haven't tried to contact the seller for anything - I'd imagine the support they can offer would be minimal.
@@allantolentino2992 Here's the item number on ebay: 142922695786. I suspect it's a Chinese seller with a third party warehouse in California - I've never spoken with the seller.
Thanks for the video. I bought the same laser but with the monitor attached, and it doesn’t work. Can I connect my laptop as well? If so how do I install the EZCAD 2 software?
im looking foward to buying one, but the big question is, can it cut 1mm bronze sheet?, im looking to do some gobos ilumination. thanks for your time to answer.
I am amazed there is no optical shielding. What is the wavelength? Do you wear glasses? Does any beam reflect off of materials and poke holes in your... uhmmm.. anything?
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now that you have had this machine for a while is there anything you wish you had bought differently? larger marking area, more power, different manufacturer, ect?
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Thank you for this video. There is a lack of info on Fiber Lasers. For someone who has never owned a machine, would you say its a difficult learning process? Im thinking of diving into to this hobby but have no knowledge on how to operate this or programs related to it.
I had the same concerns as you before I bought my laser, that's kind of why I made these videos about it. For the most part, EzCad2 works fine for logos, text, basic artwork, etc. It has quite a few functions and once you get the hang of using pens and the hatch function. Check out some of my other videos.
@@jefferyj Thanks for replying. Ill definitely check out more of your videos. Im about to pull the trigger on one. Just wanted to input and how easy or difficult it is to learn. You cleared that up. Thanks so much. Aloha from Vegas. 🤙🤙
Easy Cad definitely does inches and mm. Depending on the version, the setting should be either in the "grid" settings, or next to the "grid" pulldown. Also, find out the focal distance, cut a piece of scrap to that distance, and use that as your height adjustment.
Are you able to export a sketch as a DXF from CAD software like Fusion 360 or Solidworks with your CAD document unit set as inches, then import that DXF into EzCad with proper scaling? This is where I ran into trouble. I can manually scale things in EzCad to inches, or I can set the system parameters to inches and draw directly in EzCad, but I can't successfully import an 'inch' DXF into EzCad without having to scale. For example: If I export a 1 inch square sketch as a DXF, then bring that into EzCad as a vector file while my EzCad system is in inches, it will come in as 0.039"x0.039" which seems like it's reading the DXF dimensions as MM regardless of the system settings and the DXF document settings. It's not a big deal, but if you can tell me what I'm missing that'd be great. I'm using version 2.14.2.
Nifty machine for the price. Sadly these all have working areas too small for my applications, would need a hybrid system on an X-Y table somehow. Have you not made yourself a gauge stick for setting the height yet, just need to cut a bit of material at the focal lengths to set the head height?!
They do make gantry style fiber lasers if you need a larger working area. I've seen other people use a moving table but I couldn't tell you how to integrate it. For finding the focal length, the best method is to use lasers - they're supplied with almost every machine now.
thank you for your videos!! what's the secret to a deep engraving, for example: deep engraved text on a bar of aluminum. is it slower speed? frequency?
Thank you Jeffery for posting all your video's. I just ordered a 30w Raycus from china. I plan on using it to engrave on stainless jewelry. My question is, will I be able to get a deep engraving as well as black in color?
Hi Jeffery, Can you show me how to install the driver. I'm not that computer savvy. i'm running windows 10. Supplier sent download file, but didn't explain how to apply it.
@@michaelbernard9433 Sure, turn on the main power switch to your machine (for me that's the key). Now press the power button for the BJJCZ board (that's my middle button). Ensure the laser's USB cable is connected to your computer. Your computer should detect that something has been connected, but it won't know what it is. Open the device manager in your computer and locate the BJJCZ device. Right click on it and manually install the driver from the location where you have your driver. After this you should be ready to open ezcad.
I know you showed using a digital caliper to determine the focal length but is there a more precise method? I ask because I have so hardware I'd like to make and unfortunately they are quite expensive so I don't have one I can spare for testing purposes. so could I maybe get a piece of wood or something and make it the exact height as the part, test it and then run the real part? Also what is the Maximum height of the part it can cut? Could I do something that is say 10" High? thanks for the informative video.
For some reason my laser only puts a box around the text to be marked when setting up on the part. Is there a setting so the laser shows the actual text to be marked?
Hi! Thanks for this video! Can I just ask, how deep, or how thick can we engrave into an aluminum sheet? Can we also mark/engrave on brass or copper sheets?
What do you need an enclosure for? I'm told its to filter your sight when you look at the laser directly? Or is there a different purpose for the enclosure? Thanks.
I mark a lot of anodized aluminum and it creates a significant amount of dust that gets all over the workspace and computer. The enclosure contains this dust and allows me to run an inline fan to extract fumes/dust. I wear glasses for protection, but some people do build enclosures with an appropriate type of plastic to provide protection.
Hi... I just got mine and have been told I need to ground it, because it generates quite a bit of static, even though in the UK all leads are earthed... Have you had to do anything along those lines i.e. connect the earth/ground red connector on the back of the unit. Thanks for all the videos... they are really helpful... they encouraged me to get my own.
@@jefferyj Thanks for letting me know. Much appreciated. I did a continuity test on the socket earth pin and the 2 parts of the body and they seem connected. I have a feeling that the ground pin on the back of the machine is actually for surge protection.
Hey great video and just what I need. A quick question if you have a moment. When engraving/marking aluminium does it have to be anodised? And would you say 20w is a more them powerful matching to mark stainless and aluminium.
Anodizing is not necessary; a fiber laser can mark bare metal. Yes, a 20w can mark stainless and aluminum. If you need to hit depth, more power will be faster.
Thank you for this amazing video, great review and explanation, it pushes me further towards buying an ebay fiber, my plan is to start with jewllery, rings, stainless, i'm looking at buyingthe 20W but should i go 30W to be more future proof? would i be able to use the 30W as a 20W, by lowering the power and such.. or is there a downside?
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I'd probably get a 30w if I were buying again today, but to be honest, I really haven't needed it. Most of my marking is on anodized aluminum which requires very little power. The advantage of a more powerful laser is the ability to hit depths faster.
@@jefferyj thanks for clearification on that topic, and the 110x110 - 150x150 etc. is nothing but how big an item can be.. its your total engraving surface right?
Great review, thanks! I'm thinking of ordering one too, however I do have one question. Can it engrave clear PET bottles in order to achieve a white mark on it? (with a logo for example)
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After years of use.. Did you need to contact ..the eBay sellers warranty / Two ( or more) years cover? If so did it exist and dit it function as we would expect?? I ask because….to avoid customs and tax …I bought a 30w Raycus off eBay! Asking for the path to contact warranty support…I got numeric only email address, which could be the sellers mother for all I know!
Finally, a review which I really needed. A question, I saw they now sell the 50 watt version. I want to cut very thin 0,15mm stainless steel for occasional DIY PCB stencil. Is it possible to do it with multiple passes? Thanks!
@@jamesrobert7405 ah I see. I thought so too. 50 watt version is more expensive for me right now. If you could get away with 30 watt then why not. Besides, plastic stencil is more than enough for me at the moment. As long as the plastic is colored and not too transparent, it should be doable. Am I correct?
Hi Jeffery, I watched a few of your videos now, Thank you. For my purposes, I think a 50w raycus fiber laser is probably what I need. I want to use it for aluminium but also carbon fiber composite. I note you've also tried the fiber laser with some different kinds of plastics. I have found a few people on youtube demonstrating the fiber laser cutting thin pieces of carbon fiber composite and wondering if you've ever tried this? Since I will be working with quite a bit of carbon fiber this is something I'd be really keen to use it with. I suspect it will do it, but probably needs quite a bit of trial and error and optimising to get a decent marking and cutting through 1mm. I'm not too worried about the quality of the cut finish as I can tidy that up. The main advantage is the ability to cut and mark the carbon fiber with much greater control offered by the fiber laser. If you've got any thoughts on this, I'd love to hear from you.
Still working fine, hasn't had any issues. I've found an enclosure to be important as well as some kind of exhaust. I'm currently using a 4" inline exhaust fan. I've mostly marked anodized aluminum parts with it. The laser probably sees about 2 hours of marking per week on average.
@@jefferyj have you ever tried to etch PCB material with this machine? I'd love to have something to laser etch PCBs without having to use chemicals. And can this be scaled up to something larger than a 150mm square ?
I've been trying to mark chrome -- or rather the chrome plated plastic stuff that keychains and such are made of -- with a 40W CO2 laser, but of course no go. Will this handle that material?
Great videos! Thank you. Would you suggest 30W or 50W? My main materials will be gold and silver. Things like nameplates,engraving inside and outside of rings. The name plates would be anywhere from 1.5mm to 2mm. From my understanding the deeper the cutting the more passes and time it requires. Is there a quality drawback to multiple passes? Thanks 😊
Hi Jeffrey and thanks for your videos. I have been investigating using a fibre laser for rust removal. I can't seem to find a difference between the engraving lasers and the cleaning lasers other than a HUGE price difference. Have you ever tried "lasering" rust off with your machine? Many thanks, Doug
Is the software proprietary to the machine or can it work off of other programs? Illustrator, Fusion 360?? I bought a cheap K40 co2 laser years ago from China and the software was so convoluted I lost interest. There is no path to a better solution. I am currently looking at a Boss FM30 but would like to spend less if possible. Thanks for the informative video!
@@jefferyj Just wanted to comment - AI works great, but you have to export as AI8 or lower. SVG also works, but you have to convert text to curves, flatten transforms, and remove view box. With SVG you are not tied to Illustrator (which is a great program but expensive for an occasional user)
JJ - can we speak or write outside this forum re: a job offer? Also, is the link on eBay to the same product still valid? If so, would you post it here? Lastly, can you integrate a rotary unit into your system?
I'm having trouble with the importfilter for various textfiles .Only the autocad version R12 is acceptable . By younger versions of autocad the ascii file of Arial writing is regular translated to times new roman writing .Do you have an idea to change this ? Another problem is the use of ecxel files . Which ecxel version is useable ?
What is your focal range on this? That is to say, if you were marking a curved surface, how far above and below your focal point can you go before the marking gets lousy?
Great review Jeffery, I’ve been looking to get a engraver for polymer plastic but I think this is too much for my project, could you recommend a entry level for plastic, if possible I can send you a sample of what I need to be engraved, thanks in advance
Depending what your material is, you might look at CO2 lasers also. If you search 'epilog laserable materials' you will find a list of materials suitable for fiber and for CO2. They tend to be cheaper so it might suit your project.
JefferyJ, I want to tell you how much I appreciate your videos. They gave me the confidence to buy a 20W fiber laser to mark tools we make for my business. I was able to get it up and running and make great marks within a few hours. Your videos and test files made that possible. Thank you for taking the time to great and post them, the information is so valuable. Thank you Sami
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Thank you for posting this video. There is a real lack of information about these Fiber Lasers. Your video is the first one I have seen that actually talks about what you get for your money.
Finally someone made a good vid on fiber lasers.
@Ellis Kole will it engrave a glock slide?
@@chasedowney3358 Yes. There is a lot of people doing that here: facebook.com/groups/fiberlasers
I like how you talk swiftly and to the point !
There is a button on the top of the head that enables the focusing lasers, there are two of them and when they become a single dot on the thing you want to etch its in focus :) They may not always be adjusted correctly/damaged in shipping but mine came setup correctly.
Hi ... On flat surface both dots are connecting at same place once we place any ring on that area it is not connecting while rotating top head. How to know the exact engrave area of that. After pressing F1 it is showing on ring but after pressing F2 nothing engraved on that area. Means what to do for that. Please explain
Thank god a real video. Boss sent me home with a new 50w and I was so lost lol thanks!
You are, without a doubt, the best "Teacher" I have ever learned from. Brilliant.
Thank you for sharing this video. It answered all my questions and afew more I should've had. Your way of explaining is the textbook example for teaching with compassion.
Just wanted to let you know that your videos are awesome and to keep up the great work. Because of your video I’ve started looking into getting one myself. Thank you.
Thanks
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Thank you
I just got the exact model and have been struggling with the video tutorial half Chinese. You explained a lot.
If you get an open version like this I'd strongly recommend making an enclosed frame out of extrusion or similar and wearing fiber safe glasses when marking. We did this with ours and will be fitting a reed switch connected to a stop on the frame door.
Apparently when you get hit by one of these in the eyes it feels like a hair dryer without the heat, and that's it. Vision gone instantly and permanently, unlike a CO2. I can't stress enough, don't use these without decent eye protection.
Our 30 watt gives a 2mm deep engrave in aluminium in 5 or 6 hours. Much longer on steel as you have to leave it to cool periodically otherwise it will warp.
Thank you sir will keep in mind
How long would it take to get a .006 ( .152 mm) depth on 316L with a 20W? Also, what frequency, speed and focus do you recommend? Im sure there a differences between machines.
I have a buddy that has this exact machine and he marks all of his products with his logo. pretty cool unit, very good vid on how to set it up. thanks!
Nice video! The button on the top of the head is for focusing the laser 😉
So a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range would barely scratch the chassis of a terminator endoskeleton?
Hello Jeffery, thanks for the video, good demo. Although I already have a Co2 laser, I am just starting to look at fibre lasers to expand capabilities a bit. This has been helpful. I like the datum's that you have set up, but could I also suggest something that I used many years ago , on a YAG laser ( very expensive, with little options) , our company was manufacturing hundreds of different parts, which all had to be laser etched. This created a bottleneck at the laser, and fixture making to hold many parts also held us up. The solution was to locate a LEGO build base down on the table( MARKING AREA 110 MM x 110MM ) . The operators then built their own fixtures from LEGO bricks, simple snapping them down on the fixed base. Lego bricks are extremely accurate with 8 mm centres, The operators become very articulate, and were all up and running marking arrays of components very quickly. Just a thought.
That's awesome!
There should be an attachment to help you find focal length easily. Like two lasers attached to either side of that head aimed to meet at focal length for the lens used.
Otherwise, adjusting this focus every time the height of item being laser-marked changes will become tedious.
Could you engrave fire arms
Thank you for this review. I've been riding the fence on one of these and your review helps!
No problem....I was on the fence for several months before I made the purchase.
Thank you your video was right to the point it didn't drag on like most videos
It would be great if they add some kind of stop block at the rail to set the zero height.
You should be able to add a DRO on the column. They're supercheap nowadays.
good idea
eBay sellers are either tied into or contracted sellers to shift a producer of the lasers they sell Amazon’s, Aliexpress etc are all basically the same. There are some drop seller type who have the online “store” on most if not all of the above, they sell the laser…the supplier or maker ships it out. So no matter the seller or the store, the laser is …usually…a quality product with factory support. A snag can apply where countries have a returns collector/ and hold new stock…returns can be “restored to factory a new batch of the inclusions and it can be sold as new!
Thanks I thought it needed a moving base but I guess it uses moving mirror instead and that what makes it need the up and down movement
Very helpful, thanks! One query: you don't mention grounding the machine. Mine arrived with a coiled grounding wire and a warning the machine should be grounded to stop it destroying itself with static electricity... I'm not sure how to do that, as mine is in the loft of my house.
It's probably a good idea, but I didn't do it. I do have a ground on my main plug.
Your review is greatly appreciated! Thanks for sharing!
Also a really good idea to have an exhaust fan and a carbon monoxide detector...
Yep, I use an inline 4" fan that works pretty well. Before that, I started with a WEN filtration unit and an enclosure that you can see in another video I made if you're interested.
Thank you for this video! This is exactly what I was looking for.
Hi, could you please make a video of what kind of protective gear you wear during its operations
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Thank you for this video. I was about to buy one but I just learned the output of NOT collimated and that means it is not good for 3D objects. Thanks for saving me $3000 (although those things are a bit cheaper here in China thanks to the booming smartphone repair applications to delaminate LCD and touch panels, but $2000 is still a fairly good chunk of money).
@@justinhughes4722 Depending on what you are after. For just marking, you can buy one of those cheapest $1000 lasers with AOM Q-switched laser source, cheapest galvo (usually Sino Galvo branded) and the Lite version of EZCAD control card and software. I actually ended buying one constructed this way, at a higher price because it uses all best components but the paper specs are not very good, essentially I paid for the quality, not the performance. One step up, you can get those so called MOPA lasers, which allows you to control pulse width, which is very important for precisely controlling laser dose. This is needed if you need to engrave color on steel (by controlling the energy, thus controlling the localized heat, thus controlling the thickness of oxidation film, this controlling the interference wavelength and color), or to engrave black on aluminum, or to engrave pure white on plastic. This will run you from $2500 to much much higher, depending on the brand and power of the laser and galvo, plus building quality. The one I'm building form scratch has its laser source alone to be $3500+ (JPT gen 7, 30W, MOPA), and a $1500 German galvo scanner, and custom control card and power architecture. I'm building it for nano material processing, so cost is not a factor. For marking use, this is highly overkill, and I think for beginner if you don't care about color or steel/color on titanium, just get those $1000~$2000 Q-switched fiber lasers.
Who was the eBay seller of your 20W fiber laser? Interested in making a purchase.
Great vid, thx! I am looking to buy one, would you still recommend this one? Thanks
Hey Jeff, Thanks for the video! What is your long term review on this machine after a few years? Also, I was wondering: what is the smallest spot diameter / line width you can achieve approximately when marking?
I personally don't own a Fiber laser but if its anything like a CO2 laser it is approximately the diameter of a human hair.
Here is a question... Would it be able to remove the copper layer of a PCB?
Great video. Is the style laser capable of marking on curved surfaces? In other words if you had a dome protruding from the surface the software compensate?
There is a feature in the software that can account for curvature, but it doesn't adjust the focal point of the laser. Some people use a larger lens like a 300x300 to get a wider marking angle so it's more forgiving on curved surfaces. This is often done to avoid using a rotary when marking cups.
If not too much on curved surfaces.It is ok
So do i need to buy easy cad or is that the driver ?
looking at the 30W like this to start doing some NFA engraving and other firearm related lasering.
Yes, a great vid! But I am wondering what brand this machine. BTW, I believe the 'split' designation refers to using two 10 watt lasers that are merged together to achieve 20 watts. I was looking at a laser system today that looked the same and seemed to be American made, but this is Chinese made?
How is this laser performing for you, 2 years later?
Still looking around, and haven't bought one - YET...! First started reviewing those "Cheap Chinese Diode Lasers ("20 Watts"= 4 to 5 Watts output), and talked myself OUT of them. Then looked at the 40 to 50 Watt CO2 machines, and can't decide.
Thank you SO Much for "finalizing my train of thought" about the Fiber Lasers. (Looking like Christmas might be early, this year!). Haha!
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Hello Jeffrey, have you tried engraving stainless steel tumblers/mugs? Or anything that required a rotary attachment. Thanks in advance :D!
Not yet, but I may in the near future.
Thank you for posting the videos about your laser. Where did you purchase your laser? Did they give you much support?
I bought it from an eBay seller in California. I haven't needed any support yet so I haven't tried to contact the seller for anything - I'd imagine the support they can offer would be minimal.
Hi Jeffrey, care to share the eBay seller? Trying to find the same model/price , can’t find it. Thanks in advance.
@@allantolentino2992 Here's the item number on ebay: 142922695786. I suspect it's a Chinese seller with a third party warehouse in California - I've never spoken with the seller.
i think you may try Made inChina, latest price and new technology
go to Alibaba，full of this machine，cheap and quality
Thank you, that was very helpful. Is there a machine that does auto-focus?
Thanks for the video Jeff, very informative. May i know how deep this machine can engrave?
The spec is 0.3mm for a 20w fiber. Check out some of my other videos where I show depth in various materials.
@@jefferyj For all materials? thanks for the video, i suppose that 30 an 50 w goes only more deep, that's the only thing?
Thanks for the video. I bought the same laser but with the monitor attached, and it doesn’t work. Can I connect my laptop as well? If so how do I install the EZCAD 2 software?
Hi Mr Jeff, do you configure the focus lens every laser jobs (ie. Engraving/cutting)?
Or it just need to config once? Thank you.
im looking foward to buying one, but the big question is, can it cut 1mm bronze sheet?, im looking to do some gobos ilumination. thanks for your time to answer.
Laser glasses.
I am amazed there is no optical shielding. What is the wavelength? Do you wear glasses? Does any beam reflect off of materials and poke holes in your... uhmmm.. anything?
Thanks for the video! Nicely done!
Thanks buddy I’m just going to order the Raycus 50w 👍👍👍
dear Miller,have you bought it?I am the seller
@@jamessi7433 I want to buy a 30W
@@jamessi7433 tell me price of fiber 20 w laser marking machine
@@travelstory7584 FOB 2500USD
@@yeorge1350 Dear ,What do you want to engrave? I have this machine you can add me to ask for parameters and prices.What's App:1854018893 Email(Skype):sales03@grslaser.com
How about safety? This wave length could damage your eyes if its reflect or something
you can ware a safety glasses to protect your eyes.
Hi, really good video. Can this mark carbide?
Yep, made a video on this a while ago. Check it out if you're interested.
now that you have had this machine for a while is there anything you wish you had bought differently? larger marking area, more power, different manufacturer, ect?
No major regrets, but if I were to buy again today I'd get a 30w with a 100mm lens and a 200 or 300mm lens.
Thanks Jeff for the video. Is this machine environment-friendly and can be used indoor?
yes.
I am undecided whether to buy JPT 50W or Raycus 50W.
Hi dear, I come from a laser factory in China. Fiber laser marking machine 20W promotional price of our company is $2400. If u need, you can contact me at Whatsapp: +86 15610520189 Mail:dn02@danuomachinery.com
Hi Marco, if you mainly mark/engrave or cut metals, then choose Raycus 50w, if you also need to engrave some plastics, then you can choose a JPT 50w.
Thank you for this video. There is a lack of info on Fiber Lasers. For someone who has never owned a machine, would you say its a difficult learning process? Im thinking of diving into to this hobby but have no knowledge on how to operate this or programs related to it.
I had the same concerns as you before I bought my laser, that's kind of why I made these videos about it. For the most part, EzCad2 works fine for logos, text, basic artwork, etc. It has quite a few functions and once you get the hang of using pens and the hatch function. Check out some of my other videos.
@@jefferyj Thanks for replying. Ill definitely check out more of your videos. Im about to pull the trigger on one. Just wanted to input and how easy or difficult it is to learn. You cleared that up. Thanks so much. Aloha from Vegas. 🤙🤙
Easy Cad definitely does inches and mm. Depending on the version, the setting should be either in the "grid" settings, or next to the "grid" pulldown.
Also, find out the focal distance, cut a piece of scrap to that distance, and use that as your height adjustment.
Are you able to export a sketch as a DXF from CAD software like Fusion 360 or Solidworks with your CAD document unit set as inches, then import that DXF into EzCad with proper scaling? This is where I ran into trouble. I can manually scale things in EzCad to inches, or I can set the system parameters to inches and draw directly in EzCad, but I can't successfully import an 'inch' DXF into EzCad without having to scale.
For example: If I export a 1 inch square sketch as a DXF, then bring that into EzCad as a vector file while my EzCad system is in inches, it will come in as 0.039"x0.039" which seems like it's reading the DXF dimensions as MM regardless of the system settings and the DXF document settings.
It's not a big deal, but if you can tell me what I'm missing that'd be great. I'm using version 2.14.2.
@@jefferyj Here's the manual: fiber-laser-systems.com/EzCad2%20Client%20Use%20Handbook%20(20100528).pdf
System parameters > General > Unit Type
Nifty machine for the price. Sadly these all have working areas too small for my applications, would need a hybrid system on an X-Y table somehow. Have you not made yourself a gauge stick for setting the height yet, just need to cut a bit of material at the focal lengths to set the head height?!
They do make gantry style fiber lasers if you need a larger working area. I've seen other people use a moving table but I couldn't tell you how to integrate it. For finding the focal length, the best method is to use lasers - they're supplied with almost every machine now.
thank you for your videos!! what's the secret to a deep engraving, for example: deep engraved text on a bar of aluminum. is it slower speed? frequency?
Hi Aris, it is just the matter of time, deep engraving takes more time.
Hi Jeffrey, nice video. Do you need to wear protection glasses?, Thanks.
Yes!
Yes you do
Thank you Jeffery for posting all your video's. I just ordered a 30w Raycus from china. I plan on using it to engrave on stainless jewelry. My question is, will I be able to get a deep engraving as well as black in color?
Yes, shouldn't be a problem. I made one or two videos on stainless marking w/ depth...check them out if you haven't.
@@jefferyj Thank . I found what I needed.
Hi Jeffery, Can you show me how to install the driver. I'm not that computer savvy. i'm running windows 10. Supplier sent download file, but didn't explain how to apply it.
@@michaelbernard9433 Sure, turn on the main power switch to your machine (for me that's the key). Now press the power button for the BJJCZ board (that's my middle button). Ensure the laser's USB cable is connected to your computer. Your computer should detect that something has been connected, but it won't know what it is. Open the device manager in your computer and locate the BJJCZ device. Right click on it and manually install the driver from the location where you have your driver. After this you should be ready to open ezcad.
@@jefferyj your awesome. up and running. now I have to watch all your video's again to learn how to use this thing.
I know you showed using a digital caliper to determine the focal length but is there a more precise method? I ask because I have so hardware I'd like to make and unfortunately they are quite expensive so I don't have one I can spare for testing purposes. so could I maybe get a piece of wood or something and make it the exact height as the part, test it and then run the real part? Also what is the Maximum height of the part it can cut? Could I do something that is say 10" High? thanks for the informative video.
For some reason my laser only puts a box around the text to be marked when setting up on the part. Is there a setting so the laser shows the actual text to be marked?
Hi! Thanks for this video! Can I just ask, how deep, or how thick can we engrave into an aluminum sheet? Can we also mark/engrave on brass or copper sheets?
Check out some of my other videos, I have one on copper and another on aluminum depth.
I have the detail data,I can share you if you like
@@jamessi7433 yes please, thanks!
@@alvint4944 send me your wechat or whatsapp,so I can send you
its easy to engrave on brass
Hi Jeffery, is this type of laser could be dangerous for the eyes on a long term basis ?
Hi. Don't you need any protection to shield your eyes from the beam?
Yes, you can buy glasses on amazon.
Can you tell me the dimensions of the table? Mainly the front to back distance. Thanks for the video!
600mm
What do you need an enclosure for? I'm told its to filter your sight when you look at the laser directly? Or is there a different purpose for the enclosure? Thanks.
I mark a lot of anodized aluminum and it creates a significant amount of dust that gets all over the workspace and computer. The enclosure contains this dust and allows me to run an inline fan to extract fumes/dust. I wear glasses for protection, but some people do build enclosures with an appropriate type of plastic to provide protection.
Hi... I just got mine and have been told I need to ground it, because it generates quite a bit of static, even though in the UK all leads are earthed... Have you had to do anything along those lines i.e. connect the earth/ground red connector on the back of the unit. Thanks for all the videos... they are really helpful... they encouraged me to get my own.
I didn't do anything special to ground it as my plug is grounded as it sounds yours is also. I'm no expert though, it might be wise to do.
@@jefferyj Thanks for letting me know. Much appreciated. I did a continuity test on the socket earth pin and the 2 parts of the body and they seem connected. I have a feeling that the ground pin on the back of the machine is actually for surge protection.
@@WilliamShakour Good to know! You're probably right. Thanks for the info.
Hi, great video.
Can it deep engrave brass?
Thanks
yes, deep engrave brass better choose a bigger power of model, such as 50w.
Hey great video and just what I need. A quick question if you have a moment. When engraving/marking aluminium does it have to be anodised? And would you say 20w is a more them powerful matching to mark stainless and aluminium.
Anodizing is not necessary; a fiber laser can mark bare metal. Yes, a 20w can mark stainless and aluminum. If you need to hit depth, more power will be faster.
Marking effect on anodized aluminium is better than on raw aluminium
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What is the wavelength of this laser? How do you choose a wavelength and power for marking metals?
Can it engrave black on steel. If yes what settings did you use?
Thank you for this amazing video, great review and explanation, it pushes me further towards buying an ebay fiber, my plan is to start with jewllery, rings, stainless, i'm looking at buyingthe 20W but should i go 30W to be more future proof? would i be able to use the 30W as a 20W, by lowering the power and such.. or is there a downside?
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I'd probably get a 30w if I were buying again today, but to be honest, I really haven't needed it. Most of my marking is on anodized aluminum which requires very little power. The advantage of a more powerful laser is the ability to hit depths faster.
@@jefferyj thanks for clearification on that topic, and the 110x110 - 150x150 etc. is nothing but how big an item can be.. its your total engraving surface right?
Great review, thanks! I'm thinking of ordering one too, however I do have one question. Can it engrave clear PET bottles in order to achieve a white mark on it? (with a logo for example)
I haven't yet tried it on clear plastic, but I suspect this might be a better co2 laser application. I'll put it on the list of materials to try.
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fiber lasers generally need a pigment to work with, clear is incredibly difficult.
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@@techuangbio hi, how much is 20w fiber laser
After years of use..
Did you need to contact ..the eBay sellers warranty / Two ( or more) years cover? If so did it exist and dit it function as we would expect??
I ask because….to avoid customs and tax …I bought a 30w Raycus off eBay!
Asking for the path to contact warranty support…I got numeric only email address, which could be the sellers mother for all I know!
Finally, a review which I really needed. A question, I saw they now sell the 50 watt version. I want to cut very thin 0,15mm stainless steel for occasional DIY PCB stencil. Is it possible to do it with multiple passes? Thanks!
Easy
@@jamesrobert7405 single pass? What is your cutter wattage? Thanks
@@clemenceronald Lots of passes. I have 30watt.
@@jamesrobert7405 ah I see. I thought so too. 50 watt version is more expensive for me right now. If you could get away with 30 watt then why not. Besides, plastic stencil is more than enough for me at the moment. As long as the plastic is colored and not too transparent, it should be doable. Am I correct?
@@clemenceronald correct
What’s the price for this engraver and is it good for engraving jewellery
How deeply into brass will this "engrave" ? I need to replicate hand stamps and a 1 lb sledge impressions in keys. ( Etching will wear off )
This is only 20w power, so about 0.3mm deep. A higher power laser will be faster.
What is small size marking it can do
Hello! Thank you for the video! Very clear! Why did you buy a Chinese machine? What is the price of analogues in AMERICA?
Cost was the deciding factor; this machine is under $4k USD delivered. I don't think you can buy a fiber laser made in the USA for under $20k yet.
Сделано в Китае, ВЫСОКОЕ качество, низкая цена. Мы являемся производителем волоконных лазерных маркировочных машин.
I also buy in china like this one. The machine is in very good condition
Hi Jeffery, I watched a few of your videos now, Thank you. For my purposes, I think a 50w raycus fiber laser is probably what I need. I want to use it for aluminium but also carbon fiber composite. I note you've also tried the fiber laser with some different kinds of plastics. I have found a few people on youtube demonstrating the fiber laser cutting thin pieces of carbon fiber composite and wondering if you've ever tried this? Since I will be working with quite a bit of carbon fiber this is something I'd be really keen to use it with. I suspect it will do it, but probably needs quite a bit of trial and error and optimising to get a decent marking and cutting through 1mm. I'm not too worried about the quality of the cut finish as I can tidy that up. The main advantage is the ability to cut and mark the carbon fiber with much greater control offered by the fiber laser. If you've got any thoughts on this, I'd love to hear from you.
Should be coming up close to a year in 2 months. Any updates on how this is performing. Ups and downs.
Still working fine, hasn't had any issues. I've found an enclosure to be important as well as some kind of exhaust. I'm currently using a 4" inline exhaust fan. I've mostly marked anodized aluminum parts with it. The laser probably sees about 2 hours of marking per week on average.
@@jefferyj have you ever tried to etch PCB material with this machine? I'd love to have something to laser etch PCBs without having to use chemicals. And can this be scaled up to something larger than a 150mm square ?
@@scotshermer6711 Never tried it, not sure if it would work. The biggest common size field for a chinese galvo type fiber laser is 300x300mm.
I've been trying to mark chrome -- or rather the chrome plated plastic stuff that keychains and such are made of -- with a 40W CO2 laser, but of course no go. Will this handle that material?
yes, can handle it.
Great videos! Thank you.
Would you suggest 30W or 50W? My main materials will be gold and silver. Things like nameplates,engraving inside and outside of rings.
The name plates would be anywhere from 1.5mm to 2mm.
From my understanding the deeper the cutting the more passes and time it requires. Is there a quality drawback to multiple passes?
Thanks 😊
Hi Tatevik, if you need to cut a nameplates, then better choose a 50w model. bigger power model more eficiency.
Hi Jeffrey and thanks for your videos. I have been investigating using a fibre laser for rust removal. I can't seem to find a difference between the engraving lasers and the cleaning lasers other than a HUGE price difference. Have you ever tried "lasering" rust off with your machine?
Many thanks, Doug
I believe you can use it for that, but I haven't tried.
Eye protection?
Hello like your videos very informative
I'm looking to buy a used laser having hard time do you know any for sale out there
Very informative thanks. Do you have to wear eye protection, and do you have a metal marking business?
Yes, safety glasses for the 1064 wavelength are needed. I use the laser to mark my own products.
Excuse me ...I have a fiber laser machine but I don't know the correct setting ....you can help me please ?
Where did you get your machinist parallels from? I just got some that didn’t fit my machine
You can loosen the screws to trim little bit of your laser head to fit the parallels.
Is the software proprietary to the machine or can it work off of other programs? Illustrator, Fusion 360?? I bought a cheap K40 co2 laser years ago from China and the software was so convoluted I lost interest. There is no path to a better solution. I am currently looking at a Boss FM30 but would like to spend less if possible. Thanks for the informative video!
The software is called ezcad2 and you can import files from illustrator pretty easily if you use AI3 format.
@@jefferyj Just wanted to comment - AI works great, but you have to export as AI8 or lower. SVG also works, but you have to convert text to curves, flatten transforms, and remove view box. With SVG you are not tied to Illustrator (which is a great program but expensive for an occasional user)
Hi Jeffery...how has this laser held up over 18 months? Was considering this type.
No issues yet, still works fine.
JJ - can we speak or write outside this forum re: a job offer? Also, is the link on eBay to the same product still valid? If so, would you post it here? Lastly, can you integrate a rotary unit into your system?
I'm having trouble with the importfilter for various textfiles .Only the autocad version R12 is acceptable . By younger versions of autocad the ascii file of Arial writing is regular translated to times new roman writing .Do you have an idea to change this ? Another problem is the use of ecxel files . Which ecxel version is useable ?
Hi Vince - I posted a video on excel and text files. Here's a link: ruclips.net/video/deu89eWC2co/видео.html
What is your focal range on this? That is to say, if you were marking a curved surface, how far above and below your focal point can you go before the marking gets lousy?
Hello, good info.
Have you engraved at all with it, wondering if a 20w fiber is enough to engrave .5 mil
You can, but if you're doing much at that depth I'd suggest at least a 30w. I have other videos on engraving for depth.
Interesting thank you
But is this only for marking? Or could it cut through sheet metal?
It's for marking/engraving. More power is better for cutting if there's any thickness to the material.
Great review Jeffery, I’ve been looking to get a engraver for polymer plastic but I think this is too much for my project, could you recommend a entry level for plastic, if possible I can send you a sample of what I need to be engraved, thanks in advance
Depending what your material is, you might look at CO2 lasers also. If you search 'epilog laserable materials' you will find a list of materials suitable for fiber and for CO2. They tend to be cheaper so it might suit your project.
JefferyJ thanks Jeffery, I’m looking to engrave on a plastic called Kydex, I’ve looked into C02 engravers, I’ll take another look, thanks
Just purchased one! Did you do anything specific with the ground wire? Or just run the system on the three prong cable?
Thank you
I'm just using the three prong cable.
JefferyJ thank you sir!
Where can I buy one shipped from USA 🇺🇸