DT bolters sound and feel so good, I'm so glad their statline is getting a little beefer to match. Now SM2 bolters.... That's another story. They feel less punchy than most shooter's regular rifles lol
yeah the sm2 bolter feels like firing nerf guns , the guns look and sound good but the tamage is herendous , the bolter in darktide might have low ammo but im not using it for killing hordes anyway , its enough to delete 3-4 elites at a time, wish i could put a better scope on it without suing the attachments mod on nexus tough , it has so much dmg for the ranged enemies like gunners and snipers that it can act like a 50 cal sniper rifle
_～The Boltgun Slaps So Hard In 40K-Darktide～_ I like how my rounds actually feel like they're impacting enemies now as opposed to passing through them? Like before, you'd fire into a hoard and they'd all enter this weird kneeling animation where they seemingly became immune to bolter rounds briefly! 😆
The thing is the Astartes bolter is also supposed to be better than the patterns we see in DT since the power armor lets them use the bigger gun. Now, the enemy types we face in SM2 are mostly of a higher tier than the DT ones, the SM2 bolters vs cultists turns them into paste after all. But it is against the gaunts and zangies that can take either 1 head shot or about 3 body shots. The bigger enemy types are the walking sponges taking entire mags to the head making the bolter feel like a nerf gun. Those enemy types would be bosses in DT btw. xD Like, a Tyranid warrior in DT would absolutely be a boss fight and something like a carnifex would have to be killed like the Hive Tyrant fight where we'd have to collapse a building or get a tank to help and weaken it to have a chance to kill. Heck, in SM2 you can kill the cultists by dodging into them.
@@PerfectDeath4 A Tyranid Warrior in DT would be roughly equivalent to a Crusher with a gun and melee weapon. Strictly speaking in lore and tabletop Crushers would be statted to be tougher than Warriors. Darktide is a bit weird for its inclusion as Beast of Nurgle as from a taple top perspective they are comparable to a Carnifex but are the weakest boss in DT while Chaos Spawn and Plaugegryn are tougher in DT but basically just heavy infantry and quite a bit weaker on Table Top than a Beast. You're absolutely right that the astartes bolters should be hitting harder but these comparisons are why I keep saying they don't. Simple translations of known enemy toughnesses say that my veteran with a bolt gun absolutely dominates my space marine.
@@Longbow6625 what do you want to see added to this game that will move it forward? The core gameplay loop is there. Id like to see more levels, new objectives, and more weapons. Always more weapons. Theres still so many they can add
@trolltalwar an actual story, not just character setups, enemy varieties, unique ambush or patrol mechanics, new enemy types (tox bomber is still a bomber), a codex. Then there's the often asked for but a year of work like weapon attachments (at least for scopes or flashlights), a new enemy faction, or a new class (hoping for tech adept personally). There's a lot of ways for this game to move forward, and while I hope we see some new levels or weapons, I want something a little more substantive, too.
@@Longbow6625 editing weapon attachments would be great. Im not too sold on an "actual story" though. There is an actual story already. Tertium is being infected by a nurgle cult and us the players are a penal division being sent to stop it. We really dont need anything more than that. Not everything needs an elaborate story. Too many games these days fall victim to being way too narrative driven. Every mission you take in darktide is just another combat drop into yet another warzone thats just one of untold trillions that are raging in the galaxy every single day. We're not special, we're just doing His work.
Huzzah! I was playing with the bolt pistol last night and it feels so much better. I really liked it pre patch in spite of its bugs, but now it's much more snappy and responsive. I also really appreciated the increased damage to infected and the addition of the cleave on the new train mission because there's all of those nice long hallways to shoot down.
I highly recommend Bolt pistol instead of Boltgun (personnal preference) on Veteran crit chance +weakspot damage. If you build it surgical + Puncture With Flak + mutant You kill everything that isnt an orgyn/boss with 1 shot headshot. So it snipes the same way as the bolter but cannot go for bursting fire but you are way more mobile, can pull it out in a pinch, reload ages faster.
@@Dayman98 I love that too, but the lack of mobility and time to pull it off, reload time is so slow I really have a hard time appreciating it which is fair, it has to have downsides and everyone has different preferences. I am just saying you can play they snipey part the same way but with its upsides and downsides compared to the boltgun :) The playstyle I love is efficiently killing specials/elites so the pullout time and reload has too much downtime, the lack of mobility prevents me from going where I want, dodging hordes, enemies etc. Which explains my preferences from the pistol counterpart, tho its really fun to magdump to kill bosses or spam into horde ill give you that lmao
@@alexandreparent5754 my solution to its reload speed is the early on veteran perks that increase reload speed when there's ammo in the mag and increased reload speed after killing and elite(and specialists i think?) with those two combined it halves the bolt guns reload time
Bolter changes ARE enormous cause now I have two more anti-armor ranged options for Zealot that feel really good to use. I feel much more inclined to run something like the catachan sword without Fury of the Faithful or Revolver being borderline required. I liked the boltguns generally, but i'd get sick of them always nearly missing a kill. I love these buffs.
This is actually very interesting to watch. I played around with the bolter and bolt pistol for a bit when I first started but they just seemed off. Since the patch I’ve been trying the bolt pistol again without really paying attention to the patch notes and it felt immaculate
Hey, If you're having a rough time with DPS on SM2, I recommend maxing out a weapon you like then playing the lower difficulties for fun. A max bolt rifle on minimal really gives you that punchy feel. Also, great video covering the buffs for the boltgun!
God I love the bolt pistol this patch, I run it with my sneak vet build and just switch to it real quick to one shot almost everything right side tree buffs and all glad they hit like they should it feels very nice to shoot them
I've been using puncture + fire frenzy on the big bolter. Feels great for sprinting around while hip firing. For the bolt pistol, I love the run 'n gun + puncture combo. I can bypass the ADS and have insane accuracy for even a sniper taking aim from two miles away. I'm sure these combos aren't the most powerful for burst damage but for me, they're super satisfying now.
When the new update dropped, I always wanted to like the Bolters but couldn't because the sway and recoil was too much for me. With the new update I had confidence it will be better and yes, I love the bolt pistol now. Definitely could be better but I'll take it
Hey Reginald! It's likely you aren't too far off on the aiming guess. Linear interpretation is probably having some play on the aim of the bolters, and indeed would not be a simple fix.
I'll try it out again today. It'll be hard to beat out my revolver though. If revolver had a touch more ammo and armor pen then it wouldn't be close based on the last time I used bolter.
Maybe Space Marine 2 taught them something. Like if bolter can oneshot smaller tyranids ( who are still bigger than guardsmen) then dregs surely do not need double tap.
Bolt pistol is actually usable on xbox now. I couldnt believe my eyes in the psykanium. Still dont know how to feel about the weapon but its cool. Now the bolter is one thing ive never really played with.
SM2 Bolters being so bad is extra funny considering they're BIGGER. I'm loving this update though, I went from a strict Plasmagun only Veteran, to absolutely loving the Bolter
They are bigger but then so are the users (for whom a bolt pistol is the absolute basic projectile weapon rather than a hand cannon you can barely control) and the typical targets. And the TPS nature doesn't help either. Still should get buffed. DT bolters almost feel like cheating, just deleting whatever, and i love it.
Thunder hammer and bolter just felt like you were taking the worse choice, I mean why does a revolver out perform a handheld armour piercing rocket?, why does a tank killing wacky stick feel like it should have a clowns squeeky toy effect and stagger me longer than the enemy... More work is needed but.. it's a buff...
@@Reginald-sc9tk I don't think they need to be that cautious. Especially not with the zarona. It has no business being so good into carapace. As long as it is still a very good pocket anti-special/gunner weapon that can flex into shooter cleanup and perform decent against ragers/bosses it'll be fine.
@@Reginald-sc9tk No I'm a die hard zealot and it's perfect, but when it comes to the way it interacts with the veteran ability I could see changing that.
I just got bored of Revolvers. I despise that your reloading 24/7 with them to get just 1 bullet in the mag. I stopped using them and just liked the variety of playtyles the other weapon can have with certain blessings.
Are they armor piercing though? I always the the bolter is mainly for fleshy targets. While the armor piercing bullets of the revolver were better for carapace enemies.
You can pop the heads right off em at least. I think maybe the idea is that it can't be *too* easy to mow down the horde enemies or they wouldn't even be able to get close...
But then I come in with the mk2 steel chair. I can burst down a big enemy or clear a horde with the bolter I can do a little of everything needed then I have a fire grenade for area denial.
The other day I cleaved through I kid you not 5 reapers with my revolver that wasnt empowered or a god roll. Gonna have to revisit it on my vet but I may play around with the bolt gun.
my personal favorite thing is to slam run and gun to bolt pistol and take inexorable judgment and just hipfire one shot elites and being annoying little bug to the enemies
Reginald OP! did you try using the reticle changing mod to see what the yaw and sway jank is on the bolt pistol? there is a reticle that is a cross that shows the barrel yaw and sway pretty well.
SM2 bolt weapons are a joke. I get that they want the game to be "hard" but making you feel like a weakling shooting pasta balls when you're supposed to be an Astartes is a bad feel. Spending 70% of ruthless games in a roll animation is pretty disrespectful to a 10 foot tall Primaris Space Marine too.
I’m running my zealot with the auto pistol but I wanna use the bolt pistol so bad 🤣 what would you suggest for perks and stuff to use? I run a crit zealot with the dueling saber right now so I only ever pull my ranged when I need to clear a pack real quick and stagger hence why I think bolt pistol would be nice.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Is that explosions close up one not any good? I was thinking that and puncture would be nice because I’m always critting and bleeding and that explosive one staggers like crazy
@@Venti_Depresso Its not that its fundamentally bad, but if you're close enough for it to matter you can just melee and otherwise why are you worrying about stagger when you could just lay to waste everything in front of you?
So what’s the best boltgun build now? I’ve been running pinning fire 4 and puncture 4 and I’ve been getting TONS of damage out of that. Is there anything better?
I still don't like how extremely similar the boltgun and bolt pistol are, their damage tables are exactly the same. the far larger and heavier boltgun should be hitting harder at some sort of cost imo but these buffs and fixes are great.
@@Reginald-sc9tk they're different calibers so yes there is a basis and no they're not using the same projectile, they're using the same kind of projectile. I don't mean different in function I mean distinctively different in damage. You can't have a larger, slower, and more cumbersome weapon and expect to be functionally nearly indistinguishable as a one that was literally made to be more usable by non-superhumans. As it stands the boltgun is fine in the current meta but again I feel like it should be even punchier than it is compared to its smaller cousin.
@@Reginald-sc9tk to be honest I'm a bit annoyed by your lack of response and flagrant misrepresentation of what I actually said but I shouldn't expect a reply at this point nor a reply at all to begin with. Why I am following up a week old reply I made is beyond me but whatever.
It never left. Tap left and right mouse for single shot hipfire. Its god tier. Solves ads jank if your servitor candidate filth. Ive been playing since launch. 6 months with a god tier bolt gun, ive never had a single issue handling my bolt gun. they were never not useable.... I wish they made it "hard" to use again i oike being rhe only person running bolt and being very handy with it
True. It was good against the orthus twins and that was a time when nobody used it and for some reason I still feel a bit salty. The feeling bad you refer to and ads jank I never realized or never realized I noticed was a problem. It was always faster to sort of cheese it. I call it "pulling shots" were u ads fire let go and ads back in quickly to reset recoil and get rid of the wingers you'd get. I had just come off the game arguing with fellow rejects trying to make a case for the bolt pistol since I hadn't played for a while and suddenly found our the bolt pistol was in. I won't ask you to make a video covering bolt pistol but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but the shove shot for bolt pistol does have a further use, you can fire two rounds in very quick succession doing a shove-hipfire-hipfire which is good if you've got a flak/crusher build. Didnt mean come off as toxic my bad. I like that you discuss things other channels don't. I wondering some of them even play
@@mathewhex7045 Not to worry, I took no offense. As to covering the bolt pistol I have a tutorial on it that's reasonably thorough though I wasn't aware of that shortened double shot you mention. Cheers for the tip.
How does a REJECT fire a *bolter* without getting his guts blown across the room by the recoil or the blast? I thought these things would be like a heavy weapon to anyone but a Space Marine.
Dumb question, and im sure theres better places to ask, but for a melee vet where you bust out your ranged wep occasionally, is the laspistol any good? I have 0 mastery in it as ive never really used it before, but I'm currently using the bolt pistol and I love it but i like how the laspistols feel easier to spam. I've heard people trash talk the las pistol and sing its praises so figured id ask an opinion here
The people who don't know about the laspistol just don't know. Its a crit daemon. Huge bonus to crit when ADS, I think its like 25%. Take infernus and dumdum at watch bosses melt AND everything else
@@Reginald-sc9tk word??? Building one now thanks pimp, no one has ever told me WHY it's good or WHY it's bad so it's good to have an explanation for once
So this is why i had to be the range in a team with 2 vets in that diff 3 high intense shock troop, then again that team was sooooo dogshit. Like just trash, i do not care for meta but PLEASE kill something, i was alome for what had to be 10 mins straight, recued them all, then was alone again in 5
My brother in the emperor's service if you're complaining about anything in difficulty 3 you need to focus on yourself, not your team. Difficulty 5 can be soloed. Its downright fun to solo high difficulty. If your team is dead in difficulty 3 be glad the game finally got slightly fun.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I will admit it was very fun to play alone, however the issue I had was this was the special ammo mission, there was no universe I could move the boxes by myself in that shit show, if ogryn, maybe, but no chance as zealot, it’s not that it was hard to survive or unfun, it’s that I we physically couldn’t win
@@Reginald-sc9tk I nearly did do it too, just a squad of maulers snuck up behind me and hit a heavy on my last wound so it wasn’t reduced while omw to go pick 2 of em up… again
They NEED to give more spare ammo to the Boltgun and Ripper shotguns. You just run out of ammo WAYYY. TO. QUICKLY. I was really bummed out when they removed its 120 spare rounds and auto reloading with Vet pre skill tree update. Also really bummed how it takes MULTIPLE shots to open up a Bulwark shield. If they're gonna do that, they need to add a game mechanic where it can damage and break apart the Bulwark's shield depending on where you aim so you can slowly start to reveal the fleshy parts of him for you and your team. Make Zealots carry 120 rounds, while Vets should carry around 160-175 rounds. Show the Ripper shotguns and Stubber some love too. I honestly don't mind the reloading, BUT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH AMMO. I understand this is a heavily melee-focused game, but Ripper shotguns need ATLEAST another 60-80 more rounds. I don't mind the reloading, but they def need more spare ammo. Stubbers (especially the slow shooting one) feels like I'm shooting Nerf MegaDarts at times. They NEED a DMG buff (especially the slow one). Like I said again, I understand this game is heavily melee focused, I have over 700hours of gameplay (400 of those were from Day 1 release-Skill tree update). I just want to have some Heretic-killing fun with my ranged toys from time to time and it get's SOO boring when you're kind of forced to only play melee most of the time because you're afraid you might waste all of your ammo in one fight.
Ammo and damage are not a problem at all. Only gun that does suffer from an ammo problem is the ripper but you can still make it work very well. Just make sure you’re not wasting ammo when you don’t need to and make sure your build is properly set up to be a range build. Also check the blessing on your gun and make sure they’re built for the role that you want them to be used for whether that be max damage, armor pen, horde clear, or special killer.
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I'd like to think someone at FS is paying attention to these good suggestions. Maybe they are!
Sure seems like it. A victory for me it seems.
@@Reginald-sc9tk you are not him little bro
*takes a fat dump in your mouth* @@hydroxide5507
DT bolters sound and feel so good, I'm so glad their statline is getting a little beefer to match. Now SM2 bolters.... That's another story. They feel less punchy than most shooter's regular rifles lol
Yeah medium tirranids feels like a sponge for bolts
@@bobleman2792 Those are what they rely on for their invasions so make sense for them to be durable
yeah the sm2 bolter feels like firing nerf guns , the guns look and sound good but the tamage is herendous , the bolter in darktide might have low ammo but im not using it for killing hordes anyway , its enough to delete 3-4 elites at a time, wish i could put a better scope on it without suing the attachments mod on nexus tough , it has so much dmg for the ranged enemies like gunners and snipers that it can act like a 50 cal sniper rifle
SM2 bolters feel amazing vs gaunts. But that's about it, lol.
@@cykablyat3680 wow guys it's almost like there is a difference in game mechanics for 2 very different games. OH MY GOD.
_～The Boltgun Slaps So Hard In 40K-Darktide～_
I like how my rounds actually feel like they're impacting enemies now as opposed to passing through them? Like before, you'd fire into a hoard and they'd all enter this weird kneeling animation where they seemingly became immune to bolter rounds briefly! 😆
it really hits. Its great.
Wish bolters in sm2 were like this
We all do man
SM2 bolsters WISH they were this cool. 😅
Too true my guy. Too true.
This Bolter is just a side arm in the hand of a Space Marine🤣
@@Nico_Conradiethis bolter can still take out a space marine in 1-3 shots depending on where u hit them !
The thing is the Astartes bolter is also supposed to be better than the patterns we see in DT since the power armor lets them use the bigger gun.
Now, the enemy types we face in SM2 are mostly of a higher tier than the DT ones, the SM2 bolters vs cultists turns them into paste after all. But it is against the gaunts and zangies that can take either 1 head shot or about 3 body shots. The bigger enemy types are the walking sponges taking entire mags to the head making the bolter feel like a nerf gun.
Those enemy types would be bosses in DT btw. xD
Like, a Tyranid warrior in DT would absolutely be a boss fight and something like a carnifex would have to be killed like the Hive Tyrant fight where we'd have to collapse a building or get a tank to help and weaken it to have a chance to kill.
Heck, in SM2 you can kill the cultists by dodging into them.
@@PerfectDeath4 A Tyranid Warrior in DT would be roughly equivalent to a Crusher with a gun and melee weapon. Strictly speaking in lore and tabletop Crushers would be statted to be tougher than Warriors. Darktide is a bit weird for its inclusion as Beast of Nurgle as from a taple top perspective they are comparable to a Carnifex but are the weakest boss in DT while Chaos Spawn and Plaugegryn are tougher in DT but basically just heavy infantry and quite a bit weaker on Table Top than a Beast.
You're absolutely right that the astartes bolters should be hitting harder but these comparisons are why I keep saying they don't. Simple translations of known enemy toughnesses say that my veteran with a bolt gun absolutely dominates my space marine.
I’m glad they’re finally trying to fix the bolter ADS jank. It’s the main thing keeping me from using it often.
you know if saber replaced all the bolter models with stubber models they would make sense.
Just like GW replaced all the heavy bolters with heavy stubbers on Primaris vehicles lmao
I've never been so happy about a balance patch. Love bolters in every form. And the gun punch pairs well with the execution blessing.
The aim band aids are fine for the Bolter and I'm glad to once again be in agreement with my imaginary friend Reggio Ronaldo
Yeah it feels way better I'd be fine if that's all we got it's usable now but still feels heavy like it should
Fatshark likes to take forever with updates, but they do a decent job fixing important things (eventually).
id rather an update take longer and be implemented properly with working content than just being pumped out once a month with bugs
@@trolltalwar generally I'd agree, but after 2 years, I'm ready for the game to move forward a bit, not just fixing things that were released broken.
@@Longbow6625 what do you want to see added to this game that will move it forward? The core gameplay loop is there. Id like to see more levels, new objectives, and more weapons. Always more weapons. Theres still so many they can add
@trolltalwar an actual story, not just character setups, enemy varieties, unique ambush or patrol mechanics, new enemy types (tox bomber is still a bomber), a codex.
Then there's the often asked for but a year of work like weapon attachments (at least for scopes or flashlights), a new enemy faction, or a new class (hoping for tech adept personally).
There's a lot of ways for this game to move forward, and while I hope we see some new levels or weapons, I want something a little more substantive, too.
@@Longbow6625 editing weapon attachments would be great.
Im not too sold on an "actual story" though. There is an actual story already. Tertium is being infected by a nurgle cult and us the players are a penal division being sent to stop it.
We really dont need anything more than that. Not everything needs an elaborate story. Too many games these days fall victim to being way too narrative driven.
Every mission you take in darktide is just another combat drop into yet another warzone thats just one of untold trillions that are raging in the galaxy every single day. We're not special, we're just doing His work.
Huzzah! I was playing with the bolt pistol last night and it feels so much better. I really liked it pre patch in spite of its bugs, but now it's much more snappy and responsive. I also really appreciated the increased damage to infected and the addition of the cleave on the new train mission because there's all of those nice long hallways to shoot down.
Its much more fun and consistent now
The statement about the bolters in sm2 couldn't be more real 💀💀💀
I highly recommend Bolt pistol instead of Boltgun (personnal preference) on Veteran crit chance +weakspot damage.
If you build it surgical + Puncture
With
Flak + mutant
You kill everything that isnt an orgyn/boss with 1 shot headshot. So it snipes the same way as the bolter but cannot go for bursting fire but you are way more mobile, can pull it out in a pinch, reload ages faster.
Minmaxing is boring, playing for fun is better. Using a boltgun to wipe hordes in a 180 degree circumference is a lot more fun.
The new bolter really is viable for turning an entire horde into mincemeat, it's incredible.
@@Dayman98 I love that too, but the lack of mobility and time to pull it off, reload time is so slow I really have a hard time appreciating it which is fair, it has to have downsides and everyone has different preferences. I am just saying you can play they snipey part the same way but with its upsides and downsides compared to the boltgun :)
The playstyle I love is efficiently killing specials/elites so the pullout time and reload has too much downtime, the lack of mobility prevents me from going where I want, dodging hordes, enemies etc. Which explains my preferences from the pistol counterpart, tho its really fun to magdump to kill bosses or spam into horde ill give you that lmao
@@alexandreparent5754 my solution to its reload speed is the early on veteran perks that increase reload speed when there's ammo in the mag and increased reload speed after killing and elite(and specialists i think?) with those two combined it halves the bolt guns reload time
Bolter changes ARE enormous cause now I have two more anti-armor ranged options for Zealot that feel really good to use. I feel much more inclined to run something like the catachan sword without Fury of the Faithful or Revolver being borderline required. I liked the boltguns generally, but i'd get sick of them always nearly missing a kill. I love these buffs.
I think its a huge win despite such a narrow set of changes
i think they really did an amazing job with the sound and feel of these so them getting buffed is always good haha
This is actually very interesting to watch. I played around with the bolter and bolt pistol for a bit when I first started but they just seemed off. Since the patch I’ve been trying the bolt pistol again without really paying attention to the patch notes and it felt immaculate
I my have already max mastered the bolt pistol, it has quickly become my favorite weapon after the sway changes
Its a great gun now. The pen and limb change was huge too.
* Makes sign of Aquila, weeping in praise to the Emperor
(Also, good video!)
Hey,
If you're having a rough time with DPS on SM2, I recommend maxing out a weapon you like then playing the lower difficulties for fun.
A max bolt rifle on minimal really gives you that punchy feel.
Also, great video covering the buffs for the boltgun!
Could you go over some of the other buffs this update? I’m curious how the thunder hammer and axes are now
Coming soon friend. Thammers will require some research.
God I love the bolt pistol this patch, I run it with my sneak vet build and just switch to it real quick to one shot almost everything right side tree buffs and all glad they hit like they should it feels very nice to shoot them
Bolt Pistol is so great this patch.
I've been using puncture + fire frenzy on the big bolter. Feels great for sprinting around while hip firing. For the bolt pistol, I love the run 'n gun + puncture combo. I can bypass the ADS and have insane accuracy for even a sniper taking aim from two miles away. I'm sure these combos aren't the most powerful for burst damage but for me, they're super satisfying now.
The core goal is fun. I think its surgical+puncture and pinning+puncture for BP and Bolter but whatever you like tends to work almost as well.
Hell yeah I've been using the bolter almost exclusively since the patch. It's a lot of fun
I’ve been having a lot of fun with the bolt pistol on zealot. Especially with the explosion on point blank kill blessing.
When the new update dropped, I always wanted to like the Bolters but couldn't because the sway and recoil was too much for me. With the new update I had confidence it will be better and yes, I love the bolt pistol now. Definitely could be better but I'll take it
WHAT IS THAT REVOLVER BUILD AT 0:54
I'll have a short on it by this evening.
Hey Reginald! It's likely you aren't too far off on the aiming guess. Linear interpretation is probably having some play on the aim of the bolters, and indeed would not be a simple fix.
Thanks for the confirmation of my guess!
I had no idea there was ads issue, thought I just forgot how to aim over the weekend xD
cant wait for the insane recoil of stormbolters
I'll try it out again today. It'll be hard to beat out my revolver though. If revolver had a touch more ammo and armor pen then it wouldn't be close based on the last time I used bolter.
Bolt gun feel so nice to use!
Damn good video!
Love running a thunder hammer bolt pistol build now
W, my fav gun is back baybeee, nothing feels as chunky
Maybe Space Marine 2 taught them something. Like if bolter can oneshot smaller tyranids ( who are still bigger than guardsmen) then dregs surely do not need double tap.
Bolter can't even onetap gaunts lol. Terrible in SM2 tbh.
I love this channel
Thanks so much!
it does make bolter nicer to snap aim shot like revolver now
its an automatic shotgun sniper rocket launcher. I fucking love it.
Bolt pistol is actually usable on xbox now. I couldnt believe my eyes in the psykanium. Still dont know how to feel about the weapon but its cool. Now the bolter is one thing ive never really played with.
Thats great news!
SM2 Bolters being so bad is extra funny considering they're BIGGER. I'm loving this update though, I went from a strict Plasmagun only Veteran, to absolutely loving the Bolter
They are bigger but then so are the users (for whom a bolt pistol is the absolute basic projectile weapon rather than a hand cannon you can barely control) and the typical targets. And the TPS nature doesn't help either. Still should get buffed.
DT bolters almost feel like cheating, just deleting whatever, and i love it.
Bolt pistol feels amazing now
Thunder hammer and bolter just felt like you were taking the worse choice, I mean why does a revolver out perform a handheld armour piercing rocket?, why does a tank killing wacky stick feel like it should have a clowns squeeky toy effect and stagger me longer than the enemy...
More work is needed but.. it's a buff...
I think now we actually need to look at very cautious revolver nerfs.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I don't think they need to be that cautious. Especially not with the zarona. It has no business being so good into carapace. As long as it is still a very good pocket anti-special/gunner weapon that can flex into shooter cleanup and perform decent against ragers/bosses it'll be fine.
@@Reginald-sc9tk No I'm a die hard zealot and it's perfect, but when it comes to the way it interacts with the veteran ability I could see changing that.
I just got bored of Revolvers. I despise that your reloading 24/7 with them to get just 1 bullet in the mag. I stopped using them and just liked the variety of playtyles the other weapon can have with certain blessings.
Are they armor piercing though? I always the the bolter is mainly for fleshy targets. While the armor piercing bullets of the revolver were better for carapace enemies.
I resent that remark about Space Marine 2! Heretics explode in a single shot and it's glorious. The sound could use some more oomph though I suppose.
Gaunts and tzangors shouldn't be all that much tougher yet take like 5 shots.
You can pop the heads right off em at least. I think maybe the idea is that it can't be *too* easy to mow down the horde enemies or they wouldn't even be able to get close...
It was never gone i put the blessing where per every 10% ammor add toughness. I dump a mag and would literally bee back to full almost.
You don't really need that blessing. You can get more value out of killing harder
But then I come in with the mk2 steel chair. I can burst down a big enemy or clear a horde with the bolter I can do a little of everything needed then I have a fire grenade for area denial.
The other day I cleaved through I kid you not 5 reapers with my revolver that wasnt empowered or a god roll. Gonna have to revisit it on my vet but I may play around with the bolt gun.
Revolver is insane, simple as. But after enough time on one gun anyone will want to play something else.
my personal favorite thing is to slam run and gun to bolt pistol and take inexorable judgment and just hipfire one shot elites and being annoying little bug to the enemies
Fatshark is watching, listening...
Good video !
Whats the dump stat for the bolter ? Collat, mobility or stability ?
Mobility
Wish there weas more bolt gun marks
I haven't played in ages, and my bolter was epically good, wonder if the patches have made it better
They have
The bolter is so good now that i TAKE IT INSTEAD OF REVOLVER on my zealot 😂😂
Bolter time 😎
W patch overall
Fun fact, the bolter from DT is wielded by Sisters of Battle. The actual bolter is too massive to wield by a human
The bolter weilded in DT is a pattern used by the Adepta Arbites. The Godwyn-Diaz, not the Locke pattern, bolt gun what Sisters of Battle use.
Reginald OP! did you try using the reticle changing mod to see what the yaw and sway jank is on the bolt pistol? there is a reticle that is a cross that shows the barrel yaw and sway pretty well.
Thats interesting. No I haven't tried that.
SM2 bolt weapons are a joke. I get that they want the game to be "hard" but making you feel like a weakling shooting pasta balls when you're supposed to be an Astartes is a bad feel. Spending 70% of ruthless games in a roll animation is pretty disrespectful to a 10 foot tall Primaris Space Marine too.
The roll nonsense is why I learned to melee and parry. I hate rolling marines.
Primaris aren't 10 feet tall tho.
Yeah pretty disrespectful to have bolters fire nerf darts and for the SM to to do the goofy Dark Souls rolling.
Absolutely agreed. When the hype dies and they dont fix all the major problems… the game will lose most of its players
@@LordVader1094 ~10 feet tall is typical for a Primaris. Firstborn Space Marines are ~8 feet tall with Primaris being a couple heads taller.
been having sm fun with the bolter just curious if u had to pick a dump stat on it would u choose mobility or stability ?
Mobility
I only have one issue with the bolter really, and that's that I have to cock the damn thing when I reload with a round chambered.
Agreed
Можно было показать какие ты выбрал благословения и улучшения на болтеры!
heavy bolter for Ogryn when
Soon I wish.
nice
Are we going to get some new psyker builds with the tree rework?
Oh hell yes I am
Pistol bolter is better than sex.
Fuck yeah.
You know a weapon is good when people cry in the forums about it making the game too easy when there is a vet running it
I’m running my zealot with the auto pistol but I wanna use the bolt pistol so bad 🤣 what would you suggest for perks and stuff to use? I run a crit zealot with the dueling saber right now so I only ever pull my ranged when I need to clear a pack real quick and stagger hence why I think bolt pistol would be nice.
Surgical and puncture is goated. Run n gun instead of surgical works too.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Is that explosions close up one not any good? I was thinking that and puncture would be nice because I’m always critting and bleeding and that explosive one staggers like crazy
@@Venti_Depresso Its not that its fundamentally bad, but if you're close enough for it to matter you can just melee and otherwise why are you worrying about stagger when you could just lay to waste everything in front of you?
@@Reginald-sc9tk so true.
So what’s the best boltgun build now? I’ve been running pinning fire 4 and puncture 4 and I’ve been getting TONS of damage out of that. Is there anything better?
Only thing that could be better is pinning and shattering impact but I suspect puncture is better due to +power effecting bleed
@@Reginald-sc9tk does calvicade affect bleed stacks?
Wait, does the Zealot ability still affect guns? I thought they fixed that a while ago.
Not at all. That's old data vs new data.
Could you tell me where in this weapon there is an armor reduction feature?
Shattering impact causes brittleness.
I still don't like how extremely similar the boltgun and bolt pistol are, their damage tables are exactly the same. the far larger and heavier boltgun should be hitting harder at some sort of cost imo but these buffs and fixes are great.
There's no basis for the bolt gun and Bolt Pistol to do different things. They're using the same projectile.
@@Reginald-sc9tk they're different calibers so yes there is a basis and no they're not using the same projectile, they're using the same kind of projectile. I don't mean different in function I mean distinctively different in damage. You can't have a larger, slower, and more cumbersome weapon and expect to be functionally nearly indistinguishable as a one that was literally made to be more usable by non-superhumans. As it stands the boltgun is fine in the current meta but again I feel like it should be even punchier than it is compared to its smaller cousin.
@@Reginald-sc9tk to be honest I'm a bit annoyed by your lack of response and flagrant misrepresentation of what I actually said but I shouldn't expect a reply at this point nor a reply at all to begin with. Why I am following up a week old reply I made is beyond me but whatever.
Is there any build talent and blessing wise for the bolter on Veteran?
I'll have a video soon
@@Reginald-sc9tk That's nice, I want to run a viable build, but I don't want to bring down my team in the process.
It never left. Tap left and right mouse for single shot hipfire. Its god tier.
Solves ads jank if your servitor candidate filth. Ive been playing since launch. 6 months with a god tier bolt gun, ive never had a single issue handling my bolt gun.
they were never not useable....
I wish they made it "hard" to use again i oike being rhe only person running bolt and being very handy with it
I never said they weren't usable. Few knew this but they've been good the whole time. Its just they have issues which are mostly fixed.
True. It was good against the orthus twins and that was a time when nobody used it and for some reason I still feel a bit salty. The feeling bad you refer to and ads jank I never realized or never realized I noticed was a problem. It was always faster to sort of cheese it. I call it "pulling shots" were u ads fire let go and ads back in quickly to reset recoil and get rid of the wingers you'd get. I had just come off the game arguing with fellow rejects trying to make a case for the bolt pistol since I hadn't played for a while and suddenly found our the bolt pistol was in.
I won't ask you to make a video covering bolt pistol but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but the shove shot for bolt pistol does have a further use, you can fire two rounds in very quick succession doing a shove-hipfire-hipfire which is good if you've got a flak/crusher build.
Didnt mean come off as toxic my bad. I like that you discuss things other channels don't. I wondering some of them even play
@@mathewhex7045 Not to worry, I took no offense.
As to covering the bolt pistol I have a tutorial on it that's reasonably thorough though I wasn't aware of that shortened double shot you mention. Cheers for the tip.
How does a REJECT fire a *bolter* without getting his guts blown across the room by the recoil or the blast? I thought these things would be like a heavy weapon to anyone but a Space Marine.
That's space marine bolters. This is an arbite bolter. For humans.
Sir, can i get that revolver 1 shot build please...
Yes, ill put up a short later today. Keep an eye out. Finishing another video first.
Dumb question, and im sure theres better places to ask, but for a melee vet where you bust out your ranged wep occasionally, is the laspistol any good? I have 0 mastery in it as ive never really used it before, but I'm currently using the bolt pistol and I love it but i like how the laspistols feel easier to spam. I've heard people trash talk the las pistol and sing its praises so figured id ask an opinion here
The people who don't know about the laspistol just don't know. Its a crit daemon. Huge bonus to crit when ADS, I think its like 25%. Take infernus and dumdum at watch bosses melt AND everything else
@@Reginald-sc9tk word??? Building one now thanks pimp, no one has ever told me WHY it's good or WHY it's bad so it's good to have an explanation for once
You sound like Raycevick.
Thats the second time I've heard that. Its certainly a compliment.
wait, since when were bolters full auto and not burst?
How long have I been gone?
They have always been full auto, minimum fire from hip is 2 shots.
@@Reginald-sc9tk ive lost my mind then.
nice to see it get buffed, maybe used it once before. Its gonna take a lot though to get me away from revolver though...
Btw reggie, you got a discord or smth?
discord.gg/Y3hFwKWW its invite only. You're invited.
Spearhead Boltgun is better than Bolt Pistol?
Its a matter of preference and utility
reginaldo
I am here
Just drag that mouse down and click the lmb like it owes you money.
You do know bolter is full auto from the hip, right? Saves clicks ;)
Low Ammo still bad!
Git gud/10 take
So this is why i had to be the range in a team with 2 vets in that diff 3 high intense shock troop, then again that team was sooooo dogshit. Like just trash, i do not care for meta but PLEASE kill something, i was alome for what had to be 10 mins straight, recued them all, then was alone again in 5
My brother in the emperor's service if you're complaining about anything in difficulty 3 you need to focus on yourself, not your team. Difficulty 5 can be soloed. Its downright fun to solo high difficulty. If your team is dead in difficulty 3 be glad the game finally got slightly fun.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I will admit it was very fun to play alone, however the issue I had was this was the special ammo mission, there was no universe I could move the boxes by myself in that shit show, if ogryn, maybe, but no chance as zealot, it’s not that it was hard to survive or unfun, it’s that I we physically couldn’t win
@@well8250 That can be a tough one to solo. So I get you. But it can be done. That's the really fun thing about Darktide. Good luck in your quest.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I nearly did do it too, just a squad of maulers snuck up behind me and hit a heavy on my last wound so it wasn’t reduced while omw to go pick 2 of em up… again
@@well8250 WP
space marine 2 is mid and darktide is infinitely superior in every way change my mind
Why change your mind when you're right? The only thing SM2 does better is cool executions and raw spectacle.
@@Reginald-sc9tk saying "change my mind" after what can be considered a hot take is just a meme. im serious though, sm2 is really not good
They NEED to give more spare ammo to the Boltgun and Ripper shotguns. You just run out of ammo WAYYY. TO. QUICKLY. I was really bummed out when they removed its 120 spare rounds and auto reloading with Vet pre skill tree update. Also really bummed how it takes MULTIPLE shots to open up a Bulwark shield. If they're gonna do that, they need to add a game mechanic where it can damage and break apart the Bulwark's shield depending on where you aim so you can slowly start to reveal the fleshy parts of him for you and your team. Make Zealots carry 120 rounds, while Vets should carry around 160-175 rounds.
Show the Ripper shotguns and Stubber some love too. I honestly don't mind the reloading, BUT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH AMMO. I understand this is a heavily melee-focused game, but Ripper shotguns need ATLEAST another 60-80 more rounds. I don't mind the reloading, but they def need more spare ammo.
Stubbers (especially the slow shooting one) feels like I'm shooting Nerf MegaDarts at times. They NEED a DMG buff (especially the slow one).
Like I said again, I understand this game is heavily melee focused, I have over 700hours of gameplay (400 of those were from Day 1 release-Skill tree update). I just want to have some Heretic-killing fun with my ranged toys from time to time and it get's SOO boring when you're kind of forced to only play melee most of the time because you're afraid you might waste all of your ammo in one fight.
Ammo and damage are not a problem at all. Only gun that does suffer from an ammo problem is the ripper but you can still make it work very well. Just make sure you’re not wasting ammo when you don’t need to and make sure your build is properly set up to be a range build. Also check the blessing on your gun and make sure they’re built for the role that you want them to be used for whether that be max damage, armor pen, horde clear, or special killer.
I think its a balance consideration. You can't have the weapons hit as hard as they do and be usable all the time.