Always appreciate the review James. We have 8 iron models to cover the spectrum of players - so would argue that 2 wedge options is pretty moderate. S23 definitely a little more stable than the T24 - but so much room for personal preference in a wedge.
Ok so given your comment re 2 wedges ( S23/T24 ) can I ask what about the wedges that come as part of a whole set ! Just got my son fitted for some new JPX 923 Hot metal irons yesterday and as yet haven’t decided on which wedges but the fitter did say he wouldn’t normally advise mizuno wedges but the ones in this range are particularly good for the higher handicap golfer ! Given I know next to nothing re grind and bounce and when you look at buying a mizuno wedge, the web can certainly throw up more than a handful of options ! It kind of reminds me of the open titles of the tv series M*A*S*H …. Confused ? You will be after the next episode of …. Was my fitter right or might one of the aforementioned wedges be a better choice ?
@@therealisticgooner8267 If you want to get Mizuno wedges to match the JPX set, get the S23 wedges. They blend very nicely with JPX irons, have larger heads with more technology and mass manipulation to help control shots and add consistency. Wedge bounces and grinds are pretty specific to both your individual swing as well as the course you play at (lots of grass, soft wet ground, bunker wedge, firm dirt or woods shots, etc.) Visiting a store to test different bounce/grind options is a good place to start, generally more bounce is better for softer ground while less bounce is better for firmer ground. However, some players like the added forgiveness of higher bounce wedges, so there is usually a minimum bounce that people won't go below. Best way to find out is to test some at the store.
@@jon4715 be done with it ! ? Gee thanks for the advice lol any more useful tips ? Just so I’m clear , your suggestion is to play with a pitching wedge and a sand wedge , what loft might I go for ? Oh and might you tell me grind and bounce while your at it ?
@@therealisticgooner8267 If you’re not an advanced player, why worry about it so much? Most rental sets will just have an PW and a SW. And common wisdom says mid-bounce 50-52, high bounce 54-56, and low bounce 58-60. I would just go use one of those online configurators. If you’re not advanced, imo, just play with 1 or 2 wedges and learn what you like. Or go get fitted. But imo, again, stop stressing about the minutiae and focus on fundamentals.
Yup. It’s stupidly simple and he made an entire video about it. He’s a golf equipment ‘expert’ lol the chunky techy ones are released same year as JPX / T series players wedge are released same year as MP
The t24’s a replacement for the t22 from 2021, while the s23’s are the replacement for the s21’s that were released in 2020. The T wedges are more of a tear drop shape designed for players who like a bit more of a traditional looking wedge, while the S wedges are more are bit or a forgiving wedge. So they’re are actually two different wedge lineups on released biannually.
I currently play the T22 wedges in denim copper and the are the best wedges that I have ever played. The control and feel of these wedges are second to none in my opinion and this is coming from a guy that has played multiple sets of Vokeys in the past. Only one small complaint is that the beautiful copper finish wears fairly quickly Cheers James!
It’s no different than the CBX line you raved about earlier this year. S wedges are aimed for golfers looking for a more forgiving wedge… T for the better ball striker like the RTX. Two different markets IMO.
He loads videos every day. So sometimes he just makes up problems outta thin air because he’s gotta run outta video ideas sometimes. This video is 100% useless. T wedges and S wedges are just different.
Mizuno are having different wedge lineups. The T(our) model is refreshed every 2nd year. The S model is more in line with a normal set wedge, refresed every 2 years aswell. The number idicates the year they are being released to the market. The T24 is a forged wedge, most other wedges are not. I play the ES21 wedge, i started playing golf when they launced and they have been great, with my low skill lvl. But the S23 are looking great too my eye.
Not confusing at all and on a very fixed cycle: Mizuno's irons are on a 2 year cycles - MP series for blade/tradition lovers, usually lower handicap (and ie 221/221/225 -> 241/243/245) on even years, - JPX series for flat out tech, covering to higher handicappers eg 919, 921, 923 on odd years. The wedges are also on a matching 2 year cycle, overlapped with different design philosophies. - T24 replaces T22., and are " conventional blade" designs. - S23 are more centre weighted and are designed to blend more with - guess - 923, so you get a full wedge range to fill in, rather than ordering the single bounce/grind option from the iron set. As it happens, I have an S23 Gap wedge, to blend with my irons, for fuller shots and T22 for the Lob and Sand. Cost - Vokey SM9 are also in the £150-160 range Finally, bringing out a new one of same "family" every two years is probably reasonable - how often do us amateurs actually replace our wedges?
Im glad all of the comments are calling James out for not understanding that every single manufacturer does the same thing, they have 1 or 2 wedge lineups that refresh biannually, usually on alternate years. Mizuno does the same thing as everyone else lol. Its clear James didn't really look into this before making a video unfortunately... S-series wedges are Mizuno's larger head/more forgiving line. T-series wedges are the Vokey competitors that have more of a tour/blade profile and a smaller teardrop shape head. The number after the wedge is the year that it came out, they release a new wedge every two years for each series and the year alternates (S21 then T22 then S23 then T24 for example). I think both the S and T-series wedges look beautiful and every single review I have found over the past year has been overly positive about both.
I've been playing Mizuno wedges since the T7s. Used to be incredible value for a forged wedge. Price has gone up but still worth it IMO. 2 year release cycle is reasonable to me. I'll be ordering a set of these new T24 for next season. 🇨🇦
I did a wedge fitting today with Vokey SM9, Cleveland RTX6 and the Mizuno T24. It was very close between the SM9 and T24. The T24 got ordered as it gave me consistently higher spin and no flyers. Copper Denim in 54 & 58. Strange that James went on such a rant. The S23 is more forgiving and the T24 is more compact Tour wedge. 😊
Copper does not rust it oxidises. Steel can rust depending on the quality and the contents Chrome. Yeah, material, but iron will rust and rust is only it. Referred to in those metals, not. Cu.
Mizuno alternates the S and T lines by year just like the MP and JPX lines. They call this the players wedge and it does have a much cleaner look. I just ordered new S23’s 54 and 58 with custom shaft and grip to accompany my HMPs, not going to say the website but the S23s can be had in the US for $110 after discount!!
It’s pretty easy. They bring out a set of wedges every year, but alternate between players and game improvement each year. T series for players wedges (T22 & T24) and S series for game improvement wedges (S21 & S23) - seems like a decent and easy to understand system to me.
That thumbs up made me crack up for some reason. I have the T22s in Denim Copper and love them. Now….if I could only make the team to practice your tips.
James, I think what Mizuno is trying to do is compete with CALLAWAY and CLEVELAND. the respective brands both have players and game improvement wedges. Mizuno wants to cover all the bases.
The only one confused is James, they are a 2nd yearly release. I have played TaylorMade and Vokey wedges in the past, but I went to the Mizuno T20 wedges a couple of years ago, best wedges I’ve played.
They have 2 lines of wedges; game improvement and tour wedges. Two. Not twenty. Please do your best to keep up! I have faith in you James even if others don’t 😂
Wedges are super important especially for higher handicappers as we are often 50 yards short of the green after regulation. Play a wedge almost every hole. Need 3 best thing is to test current models wait 12 months and buy in sales or on golf bidder. Save 1/2,the cost.
@JamesRobinsonGolf A Mizuno rep explained it well to me, I'll try do justice. The T series wedges has traditional COG where sweet spot closer to hosel than centre of club. The S series wedge has COG in visible centre of the club. Toe strikers (which are often higher handicappers, but not always) should definitely use S-series.
Respectfully disagree with you there James (doesn’t happen that often tbf!) IMO these wedges are aimed at different golfers. Similar to Cleveland having 2/3. Callaway and Taylormade having 2 etc. Waterfront looking great!
Been using SM8’s, but would love to try Mizuno. Like you said they are confusing with all the models. Nice shots all around for you with either model though. Personally I was leaning toward trying Bettinardi wedges. Looks like “Al” uses those with good success.
Cleveland, Ping and Callaway have CB wedge options so I am not surprised Mizuno does the same. Nobody is going to convince me to replace my Vokey D grind. So many putter and wedge options but when you find something that works these companies are facing an uphill battle
It’s actually incredibly simple. They have the T series every 2 years and they have the S/JPX every 2 years lol. I think the T wedges in the copper are the best in golf.
I still have Mizuno S18 wedges that I stopped using after only a few rounds (went back to Vokeys). I think the grooves are still good enough to be put in play, rather than spending a fortune on new ones. 😂
You didn't do your homework on the Mizzy product line and releases. Also, I replace wedges fairly often, have a graveyard of SM7/8 and T22s- I think there are a lot of us out here that don't replace all wedges every year but the odd one does get upgraded each year. They get so much use its madness to think they will last years and years. Grooves wear down, especially here on mud island where we don't clean the grooves after every shot.
The rough in Italy was nothing like you have ever seen before. It is a steel grass, it's actually a cactus and is very difficult to play in. Or better said to play out of, it is thick and very dry.
The video premise is wrong. The previous wedges were T22, 2-years ago (2 year cycle). The S23 is a different line for game-improvement players. The T-series are a smaller "tour" head. I think it would be fair to Mizuno and the public if you take this video down and re-do it. Or change the title at the minimum..
I have a specialist wedge for a pitching wedge as well, I will never go back to a set wedge. But it does mean I have a 4 wedge system which means a new set of wedge can cost $1300 AUS
Hi James did u ever review Wilson high yoe wedges or even the Wilson staff model wedges .if so I'd be interested in watching it or hearing you're thoughts.
You always seem to get New Golf Clubs to test that I can understand but I can't understand why you never seem to get Golf Balls which I think really is as important to test as the club's just 😮 Love your channel James all my very best Simon from Bridlington UK my best to Chris to 👍
What was the grind on that T24 James? Looked appealing. And I agree with the release frequency. Certainly introducing a new (V) grind isn't a good enough reason to come up with a whole new issue? Anyway. Have been playing Mizuno and recently switching to Ping i525, I just got myself a S23-50 because frankly the i525 pitching wedge is just too hot for chipping if you hit it dead center, plus the gap to my 52 degree GW was getting too big on full shots. It felt sooo comfortably soft again (not to mention predictable as an avid toe striker) that I just ordered 2 more to replace my old Callaway MD3's that now suddenly feel really harsh by comparison. Love it. S23 is a great club.
Picked up the s23 in a 54 and 58 love them and picked them up based off your review as well as a couple other reviews. I'm debating on picking up a 50 currently in the s23 to keep the matching coper cobalt set.
Its really no different than Cleveland with the CBX and Rtx lines. Different wedge designs to fit what players want or need. Forgiveness/feel or control/consistency. I personally dont care for cb wedges and currently play Zipcores from a couple years ago. But played Tseries for a long time. I put Vokeys in the bag because i wanted to what all the fuss was about. Changed to zipcores a couple years ago. Both are great. But my old T series were every bit as good to me in control, dispersion, feel, and versatility. When it is time i may return to the latest T series. I am certain i will be happy as punch.
I replace my wedges once every few years, if my wedge shots start to go bad I know it’s me not them and a couple of lessons are a lot cheaper than new wedges 👍.
After gaming the T20 wedges for a couple years, I picked up the S23 wedges a couple months ago. I’ve found I prefer the feel of the S23 wedges, particularly for fuller shots! Loving the S23’s so far!
Most golfers hit a lot more wedge shots than anything else in the bag. Maybe we should replace drivers or iron sets less frequently and wedges more frequently. I think wedges save or cost us the most strikes.
Three of the new T24 run 539.97 US at TGW. But I can get the loft and bounce numbers I need buying it and while the T23 comes in cheaper I can't get my gapping right or get the optimal bounce on 2 clubs. That said my Mizuno JPX wedges have been in the bag for years and still serve me quite well. But if you want to send me a set, my specs are 48-10, 54-10, & 58-8 one degree upright. 😂
Would buy more equipment, but it's to bloody expensive, I'm a second hand type of guy, I think clubs are really over priced, as they need to pay the big superstars, who endorse them.
Bit of a joke to be honest I have the MIZUNO MP R SERIES CHROME WEDGES 52-58 don't use the 52 but the lob wedge is still good, if you look after your wedges they will last
Does Mizuno need two wedge lines? Probably not, but they are also the company that has 8 iron lines that all target a relatively small part of the golf community with a lot of crossover.
I love to watch your reviews ! But you got this video wrong !! As people describe those two wedges are totally different, meant for different kind of golfers and skills. You should make the same video with Cleveland`s wedges if you feel like Mizuno are doing something wrong. . Because Cleveland also have two different models for different kind of golfers !
Comes off as a bit petty, honestly. Can say the same thing about Cleveland and the cbx/rtx wedge release as well. I think Mizuno is doing what they need to be doing to appeal to a broader audience with both wedges. Not everyone is Vokey nor need to be.
James it’s not that complicated. T-series blade style wedges with the number corresponding to the year. S-series cavity wedges also with year number. They alternate releases so its on a two year cycle. Previous commenter mentioned how Mizuno have sort of rereleased the T-series this in order to tweak some visual stuff like putting the loft on the actual SOLE of the wedge instead of the face.
@@JamesRobinsonGolf disagree with what? How Mizuno markets their wedges? I’m just saying how it is, you don’t have to agree with what they’re doing. In fact, I tend to agree with you overall. People SHOULD play the tremendously underrated S-series more AND Mizuno needs to figure out their release schedule. But it probably helps them to be constantly in the consumers face as they have a yearly release being either the T-Series or S-Series compared to much a more established (and successful) Vokey.
Which top named brand 2023/24 new wedge, club isn’t expensive? Fairways costing what a new driver cost, hybrid now cost as fairway woods, irons 6 iron sets cost what 8 iron blades cost. I’m interested in the t24 wedge because of the 56 v grind which is like vokey’s M grind. I will get whichever is cheaper when time to replace my still excellent condition sm5 m grind 56
I’m confused about what’s grinding your gears. You find the S23 wedges to be more performant than the T24’s? Fine, maybe you’re a beginner to intermediate player and would do better with that extra forgiveness.
Terrible take. These are different products for different golfers and shouldn't compete with each other at all. I wish more companies had more forgiving wedge options as most people don't need a blade wedge.
They are different wedge models. They have different characteristics. I'm not sure if you really were not aware of this OR, if you deliberately ignored this difference in order to make this video and to capture more views. Frankly, I think it is likely the latter, which seems a bit dishonest. (If it is the former - well, you ought to know better.)
So I think vids like these expose that you're not paying attention. Mizuno releases an update to certain lines every 2 years, which is more respectable than a lot of other companies, in my opinion. The T series wedge and S series wedge are aimed at different players. So if I'm an "S series guy," seeing a wedge update every 2 years isn't offensive at all. It's the same as the MP and JPX range...different targets. Come on James! :)
Yes mate… I’m paying zero attention at all… meanwhile Vokey are releasing 1 wedge in this time just like I said in this video… if you believe that the 2 wedges are for different “forgiveness”… then I can’t help you 👏🏼👍🏼
Just bought the T24 56 and 60 copper finish with black project x stiff shafts. Far better than my vokeys but just my opinion. Used in Scotland this week and saved so many shots
No idea why anyone would buy a Mizuno wedge over a vokey for the same price............... Worlds most proven wedge v a wedge no one plays, same as their drivers, why would anyone choose a Mizuno driver over a TM or Callaway? If Mizuno cant be bothered to market them better and get them in tour bags why would I be interested in them? Just my opinion.
Way overdramatic, they have 2 wedges both suited to different types of players and feel. If anything aside from Vokey Mizuno is one of the more basic wedge brands
@@JamesRobinsonGolf Why have JPX forged and Tour when you have Mizuno Pro? Oh wait they're each a different club chassis. I say overdramatic because these are 2 different wedge designs... S23 has a Centered sweet spot, lighter shaft, wider sole way different than the T24's traditional blade design. Comon James you know this just do a review and say you prefer the S23's.
Always appreciate the review James. We have 8 iron models to cover the spectrum of players - so would argue that 2 wedge options is pretty moderate. S23 definitely a little more stable than the T24 - but so much room for personal preference in a wedge.
Ok so given your comment re 2 wedges ( S23/T24 ) can I ask what about the wedges that come as part of a whole set !
Just got my son fitted for some new JPX 923 Hot metal irons yesterday and as yet haven’t decided on which wedges but the fitter did say he wouldn’t normally advise mizuno wedges but the ones in this range are particularly good for the higher handicap golfer !
Given I know next to nothing re grind and bounce and when you look at buying a mizuno wedge, the web can certainly throw up more than a handful of options !
It kind of reminds me of the open titles of the tv series M*A*S*H …. Confused ? You will be after the next episode of ….
Was my fitter right or might one of the aforementioned wedges be a better choice ?
@@therealisticgooner8267 If you want to get Mizuno wedges to match the JPX set, get the S23 wedges. They blend very nicely with JPX irons, have larger heads with more technology and mass manipulation to help control shots and add consistency.
Wedge bounces and grinds are pretty specific to both your individual swing as well as the course you play at (lots of grass, soft wet ground, bunker wedge, firm dirt or woods shots, etc.) Visiting a store to test different bounce/grind options is a good place to start, generally more bounce is better for softer ground while less bounce is better for firmer ground. However, some players like the added forgiveness of higher bounce wedges, so there is usually a minimum bounce that people won't go below. Best way to find out is to test some at the store.
@@therealisticgooner8267What? Buy an S23 sand wedge and be done with it.
@@jon4715 be done with it ! ?
Gee thanks for the advice lol any more useful tips ? Just so I’m clear , your suggestion is to play with a pitching wedge and a sand wedge , what loft might I go for ? Oh and might you tell me grind and bounce while your at it ?
@@therealisticgooner8267 If you’re not an advanced player, why worry about it so much? Most rental sets will just have an PW and a SW. And common wisdom says mid-bounce 50-52, high bounce 54-56, and low bounce 58-60. I would just go use one of those online configurators.
If you’re not advanced, imo, just play with 1 or 2 wedges and learn what you like. Or go get fitted. But imo, again, stop stressing about the minutiae and focus on fundamentals.
Don't the T wedges flow into the MP iron range and the S wedges flow into the JPX irons? Both of which run in 2 year cycles so in theory not yearly?
Even Mizuno chimed in, in these comments. James got the entire premise wrong just like you pointed out.
Yes
James Robinson has no clue
Yup. It’s stupidly simple and he made an entire video about it. He’s a golf equipment ‘expert’ lol the chunky techy ones are released same year as JPX / T series players wedge are released same year as MP
The t24’s a replacement for the t22 from 2021, while the s23’s are the replacement for the s21’s that were released in 2020.
The T wedges are more of a tear drop shape designed for players who like a bit more of a traditional looking wedge, while the S wedges are more are bit or a forgiving wedge.
So they’re are actually two different wedge lineups on released biannually.
I currently play the T22 wedges in denim copper and the are the best wedges that I have ever played. The control and feel of these wedges are second to none in my opinion and this is coming from a guy that has played multiple sets of Vokeys in the past. Only one small complaint is that the beautiful copper finish wears fairly quickly Cheers James!
It’s no different than the CBX line you raved about earlier this year. S wedges are aimed for golfers looking for a more forgiving wedge… T for the better ball striker like the RTX. Two different markets IMO.
He loads videos every day. So sometimes he just makes up problems outta thin air because he’s gotta run outta video ideas sometimes. This video is 100% useless. T wedges and S wedges are just different.
Mizuno are having different wedge lineups. The T(our) model is refreshed every 2nd year. The S model is more in line with a normal set wedge, refresed every 2 years aswell. The number idicates the year they are being released to the market. The T24 is a forged wedge, most other wedges are not. I play the ES21 wedge, i started playing golf when they launced and they have been great, with my low skill lvl. But the S23 are looking great too my eye.
Not confusing at all and on a very fixed cycle: Mizuno's irons are on a 2 year cycles
- MP series for blade/tradition lovers, usually lower handicap (and ie 221/221/225 -> 241/243/245) on even years,
- JPX series for flat out tech, covering to higher handicappers eg 919, 921, 923 on odd years.
The wedges are also on a matching 2 year cycle, overlapped with different design philosophies.
- T24 replaces T22., and are " conventional blade" designs.
- S23 are more centre weighted and are designed to blend more with - guess - 923, so you get a full wedge range to fill in, rather than ordering the single bounce/grind option from the iron set.
As it happens, I have an S23 Gap wedge, to blend with my irons, for fuller shots and T22 for the Lob and Sand.
Cost - Vokey SM9 are also in the £150-160 range
Finally, bringing out a new one of same "family" every two years is probably reasonable - how often do us amateurs actually replace our wedges?
Hey that was a pretty damn fine explanation of the wedge set up for Miz .. thks it’s great info for someone new to Mizuno clubs . 🤔👍
Im glad all of the comments are calling James out for not understanding that every single manufacturer does the same thing, they have 1 or 2 wedge lineups that refresh biannually, usually on alternate years. Mizuno does the same thing as everyone else lol. Its clear James didn't really look into this before making a video unfortunately...
S-series wedges are Mizuno's larger head/more forgiving line. T-series wedges are the Vokey competitors that have more of a tour/blade profile and a smaller teardrop shape head. The number after the wedge is the year that it came out, they release a new wedge every two years for each series and the year alternates (S21 then T22 then S23 then T24 for example). I think both the S and T-series wedges look beautiful and every single review I have found over the past year has been overly positive about both.
Do a lesson bunkers please James and explain a bit of detail as what you feel your hands do 😀
S22 50/56 denim copper finish player here. They DO NOT rust. The finish wears down so the chromium (not raw) finish is exposed. ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEM!
No such thing as an S22. S21 and S23 or T22 and T24.
I've been playing Mizuno wedges since the T7s. Used to be incredible value for a forged wedge. Price has gone up but still worth it IMO. 2 year release cycle is reasonable to me. I'll be ordering a set of these new T24 for next season. 🇨🇦
I did a wedge fitting today with Vokey SM9, Cleveland RTX6 and the Mizuno T24. It was very close between the SM9 and T24. The T24 got ordered as it gave me consistently higher spin and no flyers. Copper Denim in 54 & 58.
Strange that James went on such a rant. The S23 is more forgiving and the T24 is more compact Tour wedge. 😊
I switched over to the Mizuno S23 wedges this year and I love them. Great feel and very forgiving.
The new S series is soooo underrated. I don’t know why more reviewers didn’t talk about them. I’ve ONLY heard and seen good things with them.
I don't find it confusing at all S wedges one year T wedges the next same as MP irons one year JPX irons the next.
Went to S23 53 and a 57. Simply sensational. The frequent miss is high toe and this mitigates the damage!
Great review! Wes
wow that's cool
That denim copper is a thing of beauty 🏌🏻♂️🏌🏻♂️
Copper does not rust it oxidises. Steel can rust depending on the quality and the contents Chrome. Yeah, material, but iron will rust and rust is only it. Referred to in those metals, not. Cu.
Mizuno alternates the S and T lines by year just like the MP and JPX lines. They call this the players wedge and it does have a much cleaner look. I just ordered new S23’s 54 and 58 with custom shaft and grip to accompany my HMPs, not going to say the website but the S23s can be had in the US for $110 after discount!!
I won the S23s on Sunday Club (thanks James) They are without question the best wedges I have every played with.
It’s pretty easy. They bring out a set of wedges every year, but alternate between players and game improvement each year. T series for players wedges (T22 & T24) and S series for game improvement wedges (S21 & S23) - seems like a decent and easy to understand system to me.
That thumbs up made me crack up for some reason. I have the T22s in Denim Copper and love them. Now….if I could only make the team to practice your tips.
James, I think what Mizuno is trying to do is compete with CALLAWAY and CLEVELAND. the respective brands both have players and game improvement wedges. Mizuno wants to cover all the bases.
The only one confused is James, they are a 2nd yearly release. I have played TaylorMade and Vokey wedges in the past, but I went to the Mizuno T20 wedges a couple of years ago, best wedges I’ve played.
"kakked yourself".. Classic South African saying 😂. You should come out here and play the Cape courses
They have 2 lines of wedges; game improvement and tour wedges. Two. Not twenty. Please do your best to keep up! I have faith in you James even if others don’t 😂
Wedges are super important especially for higher handicappers as we are often 50 yards short of the green after regulation. Play a wedge almost every hole. Need 3 best thing is to test current models wait 12 months and buy in sales or on golf bidder. Save 1/2,the cost.
I still use the ES21 wedges, best wedges I've ever had and have no need to change them anytime soon
@JamesRobinsonGolf A Mizuno rep explained it well to me, I'll try do justice. The T series wedges has traditional COG where sweet spot closer to hosel than centre of club. The S series wedge has COG in visible centre of the club. Toe strikers (which are often higher handicappers, but not always) should definitely use S-series.
Respectfully disagree with you there James (doesn’t happen that often tbf!) IMO these wedges are aimed at different golfers. Similar to Cleveland having 2/3. Callaway and Taylormade having 2 etc. Waterfront looking great!
Been using SM8’s, but would love to try Mizuno. Like you said they are confusing with all the models. Nice shots all around for you with either model though. Personally I was leaning toward trying Bettinardi wedges. Looks like “Al” uses those with good success.
Cleveland, Ping and Callaway have CB wedge options so I am not surprised Mizuno does the same. Nobody is going to convince me to replace my Vokey D grind. So many putter and wedge options but when you find something that works these companies are facing an uphill battle
Great review James. The S 23 are for me copper and can't wait till they arrive....Thanks
It’s actually incredibly simple. They have the T series every 2 years and they have the S/JPX every 2 years lol. I think the T wedges in the copper are the best in golf.
Great Family Guy reference!!!!
I still have Mizuno S18 wedges that I stopped using after only a few rounds (went back to Vokeys). I think the grooves are still good enough to be put in play, rather than spending a fortune on new ones. 😂
You didn't do your homework on the Mizzy product line and releases. Also, I replace wedges fairly often, have a graveyard of SM7/8 and T22s- I think there are a lot of us out here that don't replace all wedges every year but the odd one does get upgraded each year. They get so much use its madness to think they will last years and years. Grooves wear down, especially here on mud island where we don't clean the grooves after every shot.
The rough in Italy was nothing like you have ever seen before. It is a steel grass, it's actually a cactus and is very difficult to play in. Or better said to play out of, it is thick and very dry.
The video premise is wrong. The previous wedges were T22, 2-years ago (2 year cycle). The S23 is a different line for game-improvement players. The T-series are a smaller "tour" head. I think it would be fair to Mizuno and the public if you take this video down and re-do it. Or change the title at the minimum..
Cleveland has RTX and CBX. Vockey is putting out the same wedges every year.
I have a specialist wedge for a pitching wedge as well, I will never go back to a set wedge.
But it does mean I have a 4 wedge system which means a new set of wedge can cost $1300 AUS
Hi James did u ever review Wilson high yoe wedges or even the Wilson staff model wedges .if so I'd be interested in watching it or hearing you're thoughts.
You always seem to get New Golf Clubs to test that I can understand but I can't understand why you never seem to get Golf Balls which I think really is as important to test as the club's just 😮 Love your channel James all my very best Simon from Bridlington UK my best to Chris to 👍
HUGE congrats to team Europe!! Hope you're reveling in the victory mate. Here's hoping you're not feeling too rough tomorrow morning 😂
Only change wedges when the groves wear out, besides looks I don't see any difference for the past 30 years.
What was the grind on that T24 James? Looked appealing. And I agree with the release frequency. Certainly introducing a new (V) grind isn't a good enough reason to come up with a whole new issue? Anyway. Have been playing Mizuno and recently switching to Ping i525, I just got myself a S23-50 because frankly the i525 pitching wedge is just too hot for chipping if you hit it dead center, plus the gap to my 52 degree GW was getting too big on full shots. It felt sooo comfortably soft again (not to mention predictable as an avid toe striker) that I just ordered 2 more to replace my old Callaway MD3's that now suddenly feel really harsh by comparison. Love it. S23 is a great club.
I have the S23 in 50, 54, and 58. They are as good as advertised.
They have 2 wedge ranges... updated every two years... hardly excessive.
Picked up the s23 in a 54 and 58 love them and picked them up based off your review as well as a couple other reviews. I'm debating on picking up a 50 currently in the s23 to keep the matching coper cobalt set.
Its really no different than Cleveland with the CBX and Rtx lines. Different wedge designs to fit what players want or need. Forgiveness/feel or control/consistency. I personally dont care for cb wedges and currently play Zipcores from a couple years ago. But played Tseries for a long time. I put Vokeys in the bag because i wanted to what all the fuss was about. Changed to zipcores a couple years ago. Both are great. But my old T series were every bit as good to me in control, dispersion, feel, and versatility. When it is time i may return to the latest T series. I am certain i will be happy as punch.
I replace my wedges once every few years, if my wedge shots start to go bad I know it’s me not them and a couple of lessons are a lot cheaper than new wedges 👍.
After gaming the T20 wedges for a couple years, I picked up the S23 wedges a couple months ago. I’ve found I prefer the feel of the S23 wedges, particularly for fuller shots! Loving the S23’s so far!
Got the copper denim wedges a week ago and they are fantastic thus far 🤞 andboy they look amazing
Well done James 👏 😊
I think the change was to make the wedges perform in wet
I put a set of S23 bronze wedges in my bag when they first came out and they are awesome. I actually got a second set with the chrome finish.
Most golfers hit a lot more wedge shots than anything else in the bag. Maybe we should replace drivers or iron sets less frequently and wedges more frequently. I think wedges save or cost us the most strikes.
That is one awesome review and I would easily game Mizuno wedges
Just bought the 23s. I noticed my gap is a different head that doesn't match the rest of the set. Why?
Bit of South African lingo there lol.
I prefer the Titleist Volkey every 2 year release. I bought the SM6's and then upgraded to the SM9's this year.
Three of the new T24 run 539.97 US at TGW. But I can get the loft and bounce numbers I need buying it and while the T23 comes in cheaper I can't get my gapping right or get the optimal bounce on 2 clubs.
That said my Mizuno JPX wedges have been in the bag for years and still serve me quite well.
But if you want to send me a set, my specs are 48-10, 54-10, & 58-8 one degree upright. 😂
Would buy more equipment, but it's to bloody expensive, I'm a second hand type of guy, I think clubs are really over priced, as they need to pay the big superstars, who endorse them.
I have never minded options, but the industry is getting a bit silly with all the releases.
Bit of a joke to be honest I have the MIZUNO MP R SERIES CHROME WEDGES 52-58 don't use the 52 but the lob wedge is still good, if you look after your wedges they will last
Only carry a 52° and a 56° wedge, a 60° wedge is wasted on the average golfer.
Does Mizuno need two wedge lines? Probably not, but they are also the company that has 8 iron lines that all target a relatively small part of the golf community with a lot of crossover.
It would've been nice to have the s 23 series have full face grooves since they have a central sweet spot
Mizuno T series wedges are on a 2 year cycle.....
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I love to watch your reviews ! But you got this video wrong !! As people describe those two wedges are totally different, meant for different kind of golfers and skills. You should make the same video with Cleveland`s wedges if you feel like Mizuno are doing something wrong. . Because Cleveland also have two different models for different kind of golfers !
I have been playing Vokey sm9 for the last year and a half. But I’ve just switched to Cleveland for my 56° love both
James, are ping replacing the i525 irons?
Comes off as a bit petty, honestly. Can say the same thing about Cleveland and the cbx/rtx wedge release as well. I think Mizuno is doing what they need to be doing to appeal to a broader audience with both wedges. Not everyone is Vokey nor need to be.
The copper wedge, yum!
James it’s not that complicated. T-series blade style wedges with the number corresponding to the year.
S-series cavity wedges also with year number.
They alternate releases so its on a two year cycle.
Previous commenter mentioned how Mizuno have sort of rereleased the T-series this in order to tweak some visual stuff like putting the loft on the actual SOLE of the wedge instead of the face.
Bob Vokey would disagree? I’m a huge believer in listening to the industry leader?
@@JamesRobinsonGolf disagree with what? How Mizuno markets their wedges? I’m just saying how it is, you don’t have to agree with what they’re doing.
In fact, I tend to agree with you overall. People SHOULD play the tremendously underrated S-series more AND Mizuno needs to figure out their release schedule.
But it probably helps them to be constantly in the consumers face as they have a yearly release being either the T-Series or S-Series compared to much a more established (and successful) Vokey.
Gorgeous clubs 😊
Wedges confusing? Isn’t that just wedges.
Taylormade, cleveland, callaway, cobra, all have 2 different wedge models as well.
I like the look of the copper much better
S comes every two years and t comes every two years. One is a small blade the other one is a CB
So why have we had one 6 months after the other?
What happened to the castore clothing?
Which top named brand 2023/24 new wedge, club isn’t expensive? Fairways costing what a new driver cost, hybrid now cost as fairway woods, irons 6 iron sets cost what 8 iron blades cost.
I’m interested in the t24 wedge because of the 56 v grind which is like vokey’s M grind. I will get whichever is cheaper when time to replace my still excellent condition sm5 m grind 56
These look good but I love the s23, and play the mp line
You are bar none the best you tube sand saver
I’m confused about what’s grinding your gears. You find the S23 wedges to be more performant than the T24’s? Fine, maybe you’re a beginner to intermediate player and would do better with that extra forgiveness.
I am a 6 handicap and just purchased the s-23. Nothing says better players have to use certain types of clubs.
@@erictorgersen8568 A better player will be able to make better creative use of a blade than a cavity back. You think Phil wouldn’t play T24 over S23?
Similar to Nike Gorge wedges?
You mean Nike Engage?
(Ping Gorge)
Terrible take. These are different products for different golfers and shouldn't compete with each other at all. I wish more companies had more forgiving wedge options as most people don't need a blade wedge.
They are different wedge models. They have different characteristics.
I'm not sure if you really were not aware of this OR, if you deliberately ignored this difference in order to make this video and to capture more views. Frankly, I think it is likely the latter, which seems a bit dishonest. (If it is the former - well, you ought to know better.)
Vokey just releases a new grind instead 😂
All done to get people to believe this is the new game changer
So I think vids like these expose that you're not paying attention. Mizuno releases an update to certain lines every 2 years, which is more respectable than a lot of other companies, in my opinion. The T series wedge and S series wedge are aimed at different players. So if I'm an "S series guy," seeing a wedge update every 2 years isn't offensive at all. It's the same as the MP and JPX range...different targets. Come on James! :)
Yes mate… I’m paying zero attention at all… meanwhile Vokey are releasing 1 wedge in this time just like I said in this video… if you believe that the 2 wedges are for different “forgiveness”… then I can’t help you 👏🏼👍🏼
@@JamesRobinsonGolf "mate" - you're wrong. And I don't go to your vids for help. 👍
Just bought the T24 56 and 60 copper finish with black project x stiff shafts. Far better than my vokeys but just my opinion. Used in Scotland this week and saved so many shots
The 24 looks better
T24’s look way better in my opinion. Classic
No idea why anyone would buy a Mizuno wedge over a vokey for the same price............... Worlds most proven wedge v a wedge no one plays, same as their drivers, why would anyone choose a Mizuno driver over a TM or Callaway? If Mizuno cant be bothered to market them better and get them in tour bags why would I be interested in them? Just my opinion.
I changed from vokey sm9 because I didn’t like the shape. The s23 is far more appealing to my eye.
Because Mizuno wedges are forged. Vockeys are cast.
Mizuno’s feel so much better too!
Way overdramatic, they have 2 wedges both suited to different types of players and feel. If anything aside from Vokey Mizuno is one of the more basic wedge brands
So why not aim to be the best? You say over dramatic…. Try asking someone who’s just spend £700 on outdated wedges
Btw T21 ARE NOT Game improvement wedges
@@JamesRobinsonGolf Why have JPX forged and Tour when you have Mizuno Pro? Oh wait they're each a different club chassis. I say overdramatic because these are 2 different wedge designs... S23 has a Centered sweet spot, lighter shaft, wider sole way different than the T24's traditional blade design. Comon James you know this just do a review and say you prefer the S23's.
Speak to Bob Vokey about it mate
Ping Gorge?
This person is not smart.
Ping gorge. Nike engage