@@kameljoe21 i understood it the way, that the guy giving the interview has worked on earthships in general for 13 years, not on this one particular, or am i wrong?
@@mastas7 This earthship is on going for the better part of 2 decades, From other comments and google search this has gone thru a couple of owners when they either have gone broke or just gave up, There is a lot of problems with the design and construction of it. A lot of stuff they did or were doing has either been found to be the wrong way to do it, or there is a far better method of doing it.
I plan to return there as soon as I can. I wanted to go earlier this year when I was in Florida but the pandemic hit and I wasn't able to make it. The owner says that they have finished, so it should be a good video and maybe some of the questions from this comment section can be answered.
This type of building SHOULD be Florida’s code building because of people coming together, eco friendly, sustainability, protection from hurricanes and termites, reducing waste, and not to mention an aesthetically look and feel. I want one. This is my dream for my retirement. For me, this will help me live without much money because my Social Security benefits will not be much. My Earthship home will be smaller because I don’t need too much space. I want one, so bad. I live in Florida.
Government needs to stop telling people what they are/are not "allowed" to do. Get government out of the way and innovation will flourish. #SmashTheState
@@arkadiuszlee407 There's a couple things here. Number 1 with the tires: I was thinking this too RE: them being a health hazard. The rubbing of tires on the roads creates aerosol particles that are really dangerous for your health. But if you're using tires to build like this and they end up encased in cement or clay, there is really no impact on health, no? I mean, we use fiberglass insulation in buildings and even though it is also a health hazard, when it's behind drywall and plaster, it's really a non-issue. I imagine tires are the same way. 2. About the recycling: Glass is really made from just sand which is abundant and therefore renewable. The only environmental impact worth mentioning is the energy in heat required to melt the glass but you'd run into the same problem when melting down old bottles when recycling. Same is true with aluminum cans. Plastic is just about the material worthwhile to recycle, if not do away with altogether.
I was expecting to hear a thorough explanation of how they are dealing with Florida's high humidity, the lack of which leaves me highly suspicious. I would really appreciate a follow-up video from Hardcore Sustainable. Pangeabuilders has a lot of experience, and they deserve the chance to explain their engineering.
sam newcome nope... there is 100% humidity in all the air around. And those tubes did Not dry the air. My grandfather did the same system in 1980 in Brantley County GA. Even Made the local Newspaper. By 1988 they added the A/C For the Humidity Problem.
Me and my partner decided that Florida will be the place we want to settle in. We want to build an off grid earth ship home, so this video is perfect! Thank you!!!!
This man knows his stuff! I am a huge fan of earth ships..... have been and always will be....this should be... the future of home building. More folks .....could live a great life if they built like this. I have watched this building style....since 1980.... getting better every year.
I am so interested in earthship building...but, I have also lived in Florida. I really cannot see how they will sustain this building in Florida...too MUCH humidity. So, I would use a lot of solar powered dehumidifiers there.
Dude! Thank you I live in Barbados and have been looking for information dealing with earthships in the Caribbean as our needs, construction materials and seasons are completely different than in larger countries. This video answered a few of those questions.
Caution. The Earthship success stories you see all relied on free labor. Notice this guy in the video says he's going to finish this project by bringing in a bunch of volunteers. Can you get 30 volunteers to work for you? If no, dont attempt building an earth ship. You'll never finish it.
Hi Dan, thanks for posting this video. Earth ship building is quite interesting and it's great to see how the builder has adapted for the Florida environment. As always, you have lots of great information to share.
How do you keep condensation from pooling in the culvert pipes? And how do you keep the humidity out of the home if you are pulling air directly from outside?
I would guess that some of the pipe is perf and since the moisture in the hot air would condense upon entering the cool earth-bermed pipe, it would remove a lot of the humidity and run into the ground. That is just a guess though.
I think even if the pipe was perforated or not, it still would have lots of constant moisture in the pipes. My guess is that it would smell musty very quickly. Better to use smooth plastic pipe that was angled steeply down so the water could excape. Culvert pipes although strong, would literally just trap tons of water in it. Just my two cents I would never do earth tubes unless you live in the desert, too much issues with air quality.
@@wiseandfunfox You are absolutely correct. The original builders on this particular project had installed earth air tubes consisting of clusters of 4 - 4" PVC pipes, 15' below the ground, 60' long. There was a manifold of 4 going into each of the 4 corner circular rooms. The builders in this video blocked those pipes off and installed the short galvanized pipes you see in the video. As it turned out, the short galvanized pipes actually increased the air temperature and did nothing for the humidity. Building in the desert is a different ballgame than the tropics.
Without a doubt, this concept is the exact right move for our uncertain future. It solves all the outstanding issues for future life and prosperity off the doomed grid.
Yeah I want an update too, I subscribed. We live in North Texas and want to do a permaculture property and earth ship. Glad to find these builders so we have someone to call when it's time !
I'm designing my own eco house at the moment, One concern I have is with the earth tubes, especially connected straight into the living space, in such a high humidity environment, I think that would cause A lot of moisture problems. Those tubes do not look long enough to really change the air temperature, and would condense A ton of water in the pipe. I've watched a ton of videos on people doing earth tubes, it seems like the best is to have a steep angle with a smooth plastic pipe so any water that does condense drips right back to the intake. My guess is that that air, will smell very musty and could cause respiratory issues. Also from the research i've done it's almost always recommended that earth tubes be done only in arid environments, by doing this is such a high humid climate, I would think you would need an active filtration system to have healthy air. Can anyone that has 1st hand experience chime in, I would like to hear other thoughts on this?
The only way I can see the tubes working is if it is an enclosed circuit going from inside the house out under the dirt and back inside, fan forced. Other than that, a dehumidifier draining into the botanical cell is the ONLY solution I can see working.
You are quite correct, the original builder of the structure had buried a manifold of 4 - 4" tubes, 60' long buried 15' underground (a total of 16 tubes). Those earth air tubes had close to a 20 degree temperature change. The crew in this video decided to close those off and install the short culverts above ground; as it turned out the new metal tubes actually added heat to the air coming into the building. Systems that work in New Mexico, don't necessarily do well in a tropical Florida.
yes, I think the humidity is going to wreck this house. it will rust those galvanized tubes, it will grow mold on the walls. The only way to deal with humidity is to have constant and thorough air movement with active dehumidification.
They are making a. Lot of adaptions to the traditional earthship design for humidity. I agree they may need some AC or dehumidifiers running to dry out the building. They already are not using Cob because they know it will never dry in Florida humidity. But it’s why I am following this closely to see if this works in Florida.
I'm legally blind and I have always dreamed of living self sustainably off the grid, but it isn't plausible for somebody like me, so I am trying to find a compromise that will make it so I can live that dream to a small extent. So far the best thing I have found is an apartment in a small town next to a lake and a river. Right now I am living in Kansas but later on, I will be moving back to my home state Oklahoma where I am going to try to find my permanent residence, a place I will live for the rest of my life. I am 38 and don't want to move around anymore. I want to settle down somewhere and live the best I can in harmony with nature. Got any tips or recommendations? Also, Earthships are so cool!
Check out permaculture gardening/farming and look for solar possibilities in that area since that will be your most abundant natural energy supply. Maybe shoot for buying a small plot of land at some point and finding eco-developers to help construct something simple and efficient to run/manage. Good luck!
That sounds very interesting. I'm trying to find a buyer right now for my estate that's perfect for earthship building from our natural resources here in an ancient ocean basin in eastern North Carolina, sitting on sand and clay beside a pond. This place is so unbelievably cool it's kind of hard to imagine. I have 12 fully rented cabin style homes, commutable to Raleigh NC, on a horse estate, 10 horses grazing all around, 7 + pastures with run ins, 9-stall stable plus Very complete horse facilities including trails, show ring, lunge pen, dry lot/covered riding area, community center clubhouse, 18 acres already on septic and well water, perfect spot for tiny homes, earthships and permaculture. Boats, fishing, pool. Too much to list. Already have a community garden. Spirit is leading me to the right buyer. I'd like to actually stay with this project until I die. I live across the pond from it. All my retirement is wrapped up in it so it's time for me to step away let the strong young people guide it. If Spirit leads you to want to know more, talk to my real estate agent, Jim O'Malley at 919-584-7070, listing today August 20th 2021 at one and a half million with 6.3 cap rate I believe. I might make that partnership or deal at a work site like this, and I'm now looking for the opportunity to do it :-)
@@wendywhite2642Just saw what might be your estate on your agent’s site. It looks absolutely stunning! I wish I could put in an offer, but it’s out of my buying-power league. I hope you find the right buyer who will utilize the property the way you wish it 🙏🏻!
I love how the energy feels when you first walk into the home! So much connectedness! You just don't get that with conventionally constructed homes. You can never go wrong living in harmony with nature!
I live in Jacksonville, Fl. I would love to know how they're dealing with the humidity, especially since they're just south of St. Pete (which gets hotter and more humid than Jax). Great video. I'm happy to see earthships have made it to Florida!
Back in 74 or 75, there was one along A1A between Jax and St Augustine. Just south of Saw Grass. Let me know if you find it. I was living in Jax Bch. Seattle Born Now live in 4 seasons Idaho.
I think you're thinking of the castle like structure, The Myakka City Earthship is the only one build so far that I know of, Ive heard someone in Jacksonville has one but yet to meet them.
Thank you for that video about the Florida Earthship. We live here in Maryland and are inspired to build an Earthship too using natural products. (Recently learned about AirCrete concrete. It seems like amazing stuff with incredible insulation properties.) In 2012 we visited Taos to stay in 2 Earthships and conduct a business meeting with Mr. Michael Reynolds on a possible Earthship in Maryland. In 2013 we also were able to visit Michael's son (mentioned in the video) in Philadelphia. On our honeymoon would you believe we visited the Kentucky Earthship. It is very encouraging to see a Florida Earthship! It was great to see a different design with the garden area in the middle of the home. In saying that, our additional hopes for this video titled "An Earthship Like None You've Ever Seen" for us is what is the solution to combating the immense humidity heat that plagues the East Coast, and do so without humidifiers inside the home at the end of the cooling tubes, or a traditional HVAC system. About two years ago, we reconnected with Taos headquarters via email to inquire about the humidity issue. Regrettably however at the time, headquarters informed us they were yet to discover the secret to Earthships being built in the two extreme climates: extreme humidity and extreme cold. The Earth's constant 57 F Degrees combined with the cooling tubes and skylights are the perfect solution for dry arid climates. However in extreme humidity climates, the 57 F Degrees is simply not cool enough to efficiently remove the necessary moisture from the air. We were told regrettably the cooling tubes in extreme humid climates, condensate only a fraction of the moisture from the air, as the air passes through the tube. This Florida Earthship will be a very good testing ground for the humidity. My big burning question is has the humidity issue been solved?
That's a good question, and also interesting to hear the answer from the people who designed the earthships. I have to go back to the Florida earthship to find out if there are solutions to that problem. I'd thought that the tubes might condense a lot of the moisture, but I guess not. I wonder if they could design a kind of condenser coil for a portion of the tubes that would cool the air enough to condense the moisture and dehumidify it before it came into the house. It would require energy input and produce heat, but maybe less than a regular dehumidifier and would take advantage of the precooled air to reduce the amount of energy needed to condense the moisture. It would have to cool it to below the dew point, but maybe have to cool it even more to condense the moisture quickly as it moves through the tubes. I could see a coil with lots of surface area like is found in a dehumifier that the air going through the tubes would pass through. An AC moves air through really fast, so maybe these tubes wouldn't require as much of a dense coil to still condense.
As an HVAC engineer in Tampa I’m going to follow this build and see how fast the owners will grow mushrooms 🍄 in that “house”. I’m all for eco friendly builds, but mister builder with all the answers, can you please provide a thermodynamic analysis that proves that he moisture will be removed properly ? there is a reason why geothermal isn’t popular in the sunshine state...
I would think that desiccation would be the primary solution for that. I've been looking into liquid desiccant systems that can be recharged with the kinds of temperature that you get from solar thermal systems. There were some recent experiments working with a non-compressor AC. The final design cooled and desiccated incoming air with what amounted to a swamp cooler that used a potassium chloride solution in place of pure water. The rest of the system was there to recharge and drive off humidity that the desiccant grabed and then cool down the heated desiccant before running it through more incoming air. Video here: ruclips.net/video/7w4rg3UcsgI/видео.html IF it's possible to get most of the needed heat to perform the recharge from a solar thermal system, then it seems likely that you could run a desiccant tower outside the culvert entrances and dry out incoming air before chilling it in the berm. If you wanted to be really extra about it, you could run tubing through another section of the berm to cool the desiccant back down from its recharge temperature.
@@Alex-uo4qq Dehumidifier would work only in a space with low ventilation and surrounded by a a vapor barrier. The existing heating and cooling system would be disabled. More costly to operate.
Notice how they said it was 13 years in the making. I dont know if it is still the original owners but i remember following this years ago when it was just tires and atrium. They spent a couple hundred thousand by that point in time on the stupid ass city,county and state building offices cause city oridnance wont recognize any of yhe building practices. Just more bullshit to get more money and also if everyone was using natural and recycled materials that would be a huge lose for such a large industry of building supplies.
@@ryanhorne6906 I must of not hear the 13 yr. Construction time line. That alone would make you get poor fast. I'd think most for that time was lost in trial/error and having to stack tires for years to do the job. Somewhere, somehow,someone will have to pay something for them eventually. I agree it would be just like when we went through the change of automated/hands on assembly lines like auto manufacturing? 1 industry of newer inovations takes over the others being knocked out of their jobs? That alone destroyed many of lives. The uneployment doubled within 3yrs. From like 7% to 13%. Now it's not nearly that fast, but it's happening and never gonna end till we work out a way out of our own nessasery existence!
These buildings are super strong and durable. The only thing stronger would be a buried structure like a bunker or earth sheltered home. Much stronger than any stick built home.
Henry Badd it is also possible that there are no codes since it is off grid. Many states don’t have codes for buildings outside of municipalities. The codes come from tying into public utilities. Want water utility you have to have plumbing inspections. You want to have electricity then you have to have electrical inspection. But no framing or concrete inspections in those states. It varies from state to state.
@@kamurray67 Someone pointed out something I missed in the video,we need also to consider . Mentioned was the construction started 13 yrs ago.LOL. I personally have built a house in Florida gust before this. No permits at all, but this was just before Google Earth started their spying campaign. So that construction site was grandfathered in. The comment made by the other person brought something else to mind as well. If this was allowed it would kill many of businesses. Lumber which would actually help our environment of course, but many tradesmen would be out of work fast. Sorta like the change in the auto industries massive layoffs, due to automation assembly as apposed to hands on workers. Once we got nano tech. Industry after industry have been falling like dominos. Raising unemployment rate almost double. Just from the Auto industry alone made it go from around 7% to 13% within 3 yrs. Many had to return to schooling for a new line of work. Now on another note. 13yrs of working the same site? If your not doing this by yourself. you payed enough in labor to build a mansion. I can't even fathom a group of friends doing this for free that long. Somehow they're eating. Not to mention ,you have to scrounge up all those tires or your paying for them. Do you also recall them saying " you can not leave it unattended for much longer then 3 months. Can you picture yourself having to restucco everything all the time forever and at the age of 70? I really thought the concept was to save money and the environment. Just 3 months on a normal build site the run off of gray warter from any cement/Portland product is bad for our water supply. Then you have the issues of gathering enough stuff to start working with. I'm all in for saving the environment and time is money. It would appear this route is wrong in so many ways. I do like working with recycled woods and such. But for some reason. I do think we should be able to have a strong enough structure that can be moved but far more solid then a mobile and can be packed up and ready to be moved within days. That being said I can only come up with shipping containers. Your house is already packed up. You may have to rearrange and secure may things but axles can be placed on in a few hrs. And your out of the way of a cat 5 within 4 days assuming the funds are there to do so.. however if it ever became legal a little more funds added to insurance could insure that. Them containers themselves are very sturdy already and in most cases can take a hell of a beaten in a hurricane. I live in Florida and seen it with my own eyes. A house reduced to stick and trash but on the very same property they've had shipping containers for tool storage not moved or just tipped over and only moved a few inches. I think if placed on a concrete slab with anchor bolts set in along with underground rough ins would secure that thing down. A 2 x 4 at 130 mph may punch through a few inches but thats just the steal its self. I'm sure you'll have some insulation, framing and may be a siding. Man I have tons of ideas on this and am very confident I can design something of this sort. I was in the top of my class when I took up Mech. Drafting. Enjoy your thoughts and mostly the comments coming from multiple sources. I was a project manager for a Mech. Firm and listened to the men working the job. Collectively we resolves problems much faster. But a must is someone in the background being a so called Na Sayer. They bring the, what if issues into focus that many other may not have thought through the whole idea. Offering very valuable redundancy. Keep it coming.
you actually don't have a choice whether or not you tie yourself to the grid in the State of Florida because we tried building an eco-village down there and we were essentially shut down because it is illegal to be off grid there you have to tie into the utilities but I love that aspect that you can tie into them not for them to make money but for you guys to that's awesome
They need to build a community of these around the area. These are hard to sell if there is no one around who knows how to operate one. Also, address mold, and flooding. I think it needs a certain rise above ground level, a dry moat, and more ventilation. Access to local breezes. Maybe some kind of naturally powered fan.
Yeah, I think mold is going to be a problem. If they coated the interior walls with lime plaster that would help control mold. Also, last time I heard someone talk about a convection cooling tunnel like that, it had to be shut down because of mold inside the tunnels.
Andrea Wisner I think you are right. In this climate, it kind of reminds me of a bomb shelter; something to use in bad weather or emergencies, but it might not be healthy to live in full time.
There is a way to automate the collection of rainwater from roof runoff. You have a y value that lets the first water run down into the lower leg and fill it up with the amount of water it takes to get to clean water. Then the rest of the water goes up the second leg and into the holding tank. The lower leg has a small bleed line that empties the lower leg after the rain stops. I have a 35 year old house and designed it so that I can leave it for months at a time. It can be done.
This video is from 2019, now in 2023 has it been completed? I've visited Taos many years ago and saw the original earthships. Building one in FW Florida has immense challenges compared to Taos environment. I live in Ft Myers, not far Myakka and would love to visit this.
Galvanized culverts are corrugated. As the hot humid air will hit them, the water vapor will condensate on the metal sides and collect in the corrugation. I hope they thought about this and integrated a drainage system. Otherwise it will be mold bonanza in there.
Great video I'm familiar with earth ships out in the desert I live in Florida and I'm not understanding how there won't be mold and mildew growing inside the house without some sort of DE humidifier or air conditioning. Could you ask him how he's dealing with the humidity?
Having lived in Florida myself, I wonder about that as well. Especially considering the natural convection being used to move the air, won't that process create even more interior humidity issues?
The constant air flow through the house will actually help Cooling tubes are great . Like I said in the video Earth ships are traditionally not meant or Built-in sept tropical climate for a reason
Yeah, he talked about this structure 'laughing' at hurricanes but didn't talk about the glass atrium... If they don't seal the building well (which they clearly did not) and install an ERV then the humidity will be quite bad.
How does they deal with the humidity (hint - smells when left alone)? In Thailand we have 25-35C and 70-90% humidity on average. Humidity and heat is eating up all materials much faster then anything else
I also wonder if temperature and humidity concerns can be mitigated by putting deeper in the ground with more ventilation and maybe even a floor heating system.
They never addressed the humidity issue. I live in Tampa and am buying property in central florida to specifically build a hybrid earthship. My answer is inline dehumidifiers. Not a problem with my solar im taking off my house to power the ship. I would love an idea for a natural solution. The only other thing that would apply is plastic french drain in a sock to help expel the moisture collected through pipes.
@@ryanhorne6906 I am also looking to move to central FL to do the same. Amazing to think that this is the first Earthship in FL. Makes me wonder about building codes, permits etc. My biggest fear about building my own home is running into a nightmare of permits, fees, fines and red tape. I'm not much for following rules and signs and I can see myself running afoul of regulations real quick if I am not careful. Where are you planning to go sir?
@@brianlevor6295 I am in clearwater now but have grown up here and I cant stand how much it has become overcrowded. I am looking south of brookesville mainly in an area called spring lake due to the terrain changes which will help incorporate the home into the earth a little better. These guys did the footwork with the permitting and city ordinance hence why it cost so much. I am building a hybrid which will pass code and be connected to the grid just to make it easier on my pocket book but after final I can just flip a switch to be self reliant. Word to the wise about moving down here: be prepared for hot and humid especially even worse the further you get away from the coast down here.
@@HardcoreSustainable I'm not even joking when I say the service fees are more than the usage fees.. energy usage of 63$ would net you 120$ after transportation cost.. don't even get me started on the water bill
@@HellFire178 Probably also depends on where you live. But most people live in the cities. But if you live out in the middle of nowhere, of course the transport costs will be higher. We have electric co-ops here and it's pretty cheap. Private utilities would never bother with rural areas because they couldn't make a profit.
@@HardcoreSustainable i wish it was that way, as far as I know hydro one is the only power company in Ontario's and the transportation costs are static no matter where you go... I've wanted to switch off grind for so long. But why front 11,000 grand and still pay hydro
I have a dream and have filed for a federal grant and think these would be perfect for the veterans village I want to do . It solves the homeless vet and the save the earth aspects it's a win win for my little hippie heart. Thank you for this incredible video. Much love to ya
@@HardcoreSustainable if anyone wants to take this idea and do it as well that's great the more the better the goal isn't credit for me the goal is getting vets off the street that's what's important not who does it or where the idea came from as long as it gets done the more the merrier 😉
Man I'm a roofer in st.pete and do alot of eco building and they should really do a silicone system on the roof it would drop interior temps by a few degrees.
The roof system is what ultimately stopped this project shortly after this video was filmed. The amalgamation of roofing techniques didn't end up working very well in Florida and water pours into the building with each rain. The New Mexico crew also being unfamiliar with Florida codes skipped a few anchoring steps that triggered a stop work order by the building department.
I'd just check online for workshops. I know that Michael Reynolds does workshops. This project took volunteers and I'm sure others do too if you want hands on experience.
I appreciate how he mentions the unique climate of the area. As someone who's not from Taos NM or Portland OR, a lot of sustainability content just isn't transferable or relatable for me. It's nice to see different areas represented.
Sorry, not likely. I just found out that the current owner bought the land for the land and not much is happening with the house. Unfortunately, the recent builder, not Ron from the video, changed some things about the build and the house violated code, so they shut down the construction.
@@HardcoreSustainable ok I totally get that. I did some work fixing and making multifamily housing in northern Nh and my biggest issue was working with the city counsel and the code officer. It was like they didn't want things to get fixed up and progress😒😒
@@4ofaKindhomestead Well the guy I talked to said the county wanted to see it happen, and the builder knew what they had to do, and had they just done it, it would have been fine. So this building could have been finished and been a great earthship that people lived in.
I'll tell you why he might not want to tie into grid. Next door neighbor put in solar. She gets credit towards her bill...but no credit for any power she generates over and above her needs at the moment. So she will be basically supplying power company with free power all winter long.
That sucks. But there is a hopeful seeming blockchain solution: Power Ledger or POW is a way for small renewable power producers to trade their excess power with others on the grid who need it. POW kind of creates an invisible ecosystem of power production and power users that trades automatically in the background. It requires a somewhat smarter grid but it could really revolutionize energy. (disclosure, I got excited by their proposal and invested a little)
The rules on selling back power varies from power company to power company.. each state has different laws and each utility has different policies based on those laws. Many utilities have power buy back rates per kwh in excess of what you use. Many however, dont credit you as mentioned. Long story short: do your own research to learn about your utilities policies
Funny how every area and home use vastly different amounts of power. Some areas the cost of power is still very cheap so it does not pay to sell the power back. Other areas they charge so much for power is makes zero sense not to sell the power back. With an earth ship most find the power usage tends to be lower with reduction from heat and cooling that amount to around 70% for most people who would live in a traditional house with what is common HVAC. I did note that they put in much larger earth tubes than one sees in N. M. Still in Florida the amount of heat or cooling is not really substantial due to the physics of how they perform. They also will do NOTHING when it comes to humidity.. which is why he was talking about you cannot close up an earth ship there in florida.. Can you say mold? Big time. So the earth tubes are really there for fresh air ventilation.
Well, solar cells are hard on the grid, because they aren't producing predictably. So you may have energy coming in, but no where for it to go, and that can damage the grid. So you need to adjust your reliable resources to produce less, etc.
*+Raven Rock67* Sorry if it seems I'm butting in - just an interested viewer is all. This interview was made in February so my guess is that they've progressed quite a bit from the point we're seeing in the video. That being said, I'd contact the Pangea builders facebook page.
@@annakeye Actually just a few weeks after this video was made, the project received a stop work order from the building department. The property owner sold it to a neighbor.
Caution. Earthships always rely on free labor. They are so labor intensive they cannot be built without it. You cannot build one yourself, and unless you're famous enough to scam 30 volunteers into a "workshop" with you, you're going to have to pay a lot of people for a lot of hours.
Well, if people are willing to volunteer to learn about building what's the problem. They aren't chained to the site or "scammed". I'm sure if they weren't happy doing it they'd leave, right? I've done some natural building and that is a lot of work too. It just takes more time, but a couple people could build one. Maybe not one this big, but we are so used to using fossil fuel as our cheap labor and building disposable houses out of crap material. Putting in some work is what it takes to build more sustainably.
@@HardcoreSustainable It isnt sustainable if you're relying on unsustainable labor sources. Thats why earthships never caught on. They cost too much labor. And that's also why the volunteers are not getting anything useful out of these workshops- they will never get to use the skills to build their home the way they hope to.
@@piratepartyftw I guess I wouldn't be able to determine that without some kind of research into cause and effect. It could very well be, but competing with fossil fuel and also being able to adapt them to climates other than deserts are other big contributing factors to cost prohibition. Strawbale houses don't cost any less to build than conventional houses, though you might not think so because the bales and sand and clay are pretty cheap, but it takes a lot of labor to build them.
@R V ---- crowsneststpete.com/2016/01/11/floridas-first-earthship-incomplete-up-for-sale/ --- The original owners explain why they had to sell their incomplete Earthship , too much like work to build it . Doing a "Weekend Workshop " gives lazy people something to do on a weekend but most people won't even do that . In the above video the Pangea Builders even makes the statement of "Volunteer" laborers for a "Workshop" so that they could gain this type of building experience and in the link I shared from 2011 the Pfalzers explain that the labor and cost was just more than they could afford . Truth is if you don't mind doing all of the work by yourself , you could very much build 1 of these single handed BUT YOU had best be MOTIVATED and capable of working by yourself because they are a "Job and 1/2 to complete".( Most people CAN'T build 1 of these by themselves )....
It requires a community, that's a part of the whole idea. Sustainability requires cooperation. Even including helping others out for no other reason than to help.
There needs to be a contractor developer for Earth homes and domes, totally specialist engineers and architects. To progress and create the demand for everyone interested in them all.
I love earthships but i live in tropical climate so what I'm going to do is just build my house with concrete and I'll use the basic concepts of earthship like Using solar power, Rainwater harvesting, a big kitchen garden, Greywater system, composting waste, recycling, reusing and I'm also thinking about buying electric vehicles but they're so expensive.
I am really curious how this handles the constant issues of the deep southeast: flooding (does it have pumps?), mildew, mold, muck, mugginess, snakes, palmetto bugs, roaches, earwigs, mosquitoes, rot (that wood frame around the entrance to the underground airflow pipe is going to be black with mold after none too long), leaks, daily rainfall ... Living in the southeast, houses built UP (stilts, etc) off the ever-damp ground seemed to last. Even the egg-shaped hurricane-proof cement houses on the beach are very open & flowy & away from damp soil. This is exactly the opposite, excited to see how it goes. There's no such thing as dry heat in the southeast. Will this Earthship remain habitable for people? Or will black mold, critters, etc, take over quickly? I'll be interested to see.
Hi, I love your project! I've a question: How deep should the foundation of tires be, in an earthquake zone, or rather, how many layers of tires should be under the house? Does anyone know that? Thank you ✌
I've never built an earthship myself, but I know there is plenty of info out there about how to do it...in books and on the internet. You could probably find this info.
I would appreciate a return to this property after they finish.
Doubt that will ever happen, They have been working on it for 13 years! I do not even think its the same owner!
In like a 100 years ? 12 years and that's all they have to show ?
@@kameljoe21 i understood it the way, that the guy giving the interview has worked on earthships in general for 13 years, not on this one particular, or am i wrong?
@@mastas7 This earthship is on going for the better part of 2 decades, From other comments and google search this has gone thru a couple of owners when they either have gone broke or just gave up, There is a lot of problems with the design and construction of it. A lot of stuff they did or were doing has either been found to be the wrong way to do it, or there is a far better method of doing it.
I plan to return there as soon as I can. I wanted to go earlier this year when I was in Florida but the pandemic hit and I wasn't able to make it. The owner says that they have finished, so it should be a good video and maybe some of the questions from this comment section can be answered.
This type of building SHOULD be Florida’s code building because of people coming together, eco friendly, sustainability, protection from hurricanes and termites, reducing waste, and not to mention an aesthetically look and feel. I want one. This is my dream for my retirement. For me, this will help me live without much money because my Social Security benefits will not be much. My Earthship home will be smaller because I don’t need too much space. I want one, so bad. I live in Florida.
Problems is cost
Me too, blessings for your dream to come true.
Government needs to stop telling people what they are/are not "allowed" to do.
Get government out of the way and innovation will flourish.
#SmashTheState
@@arkadiuszlee407 There's a couple things here. Number 1 with the tires: I was thinking this too RE: them being a health hazard. The rubbing of tires on the roads creates aerosol particles that are really dangerous for your health. But if you're using tires to build like this and they end up encased in cement or clay, there is really no impact on health, no? I mean, we use fiberglass insulation in buildings and even though it is also a health hazard, when it's behind drywall and plaster, it's really a non-issue. I imagine tires are the same way.
2. About the recycling: Glass is really made from just sand which is abundant and therefore renewable. The only environmental impact worth mentioning is the energy in heat required to melt the glass but you'd run into the same problem when melting down old bottles when recycling. Same is true with aluminum cans. Plastic is just about the material worthwhile to recycle, if not do away with altogether.
Instead, why not get a monolithic dome and raise an earth berm up the walls? Massive thermal insulation, faster construction, same off grid potential.
I'm glad Florida is finally getting its first Earthship and I look forward to the update
I want to build one here in Alabama!
I was expecting to hear a thorough explanation of how they are dealing with Florida's high humidity, the lack of which leaves me highly suspicious. I would really appreciate a follow-up video from Hardcore Sustainable. Pangeabuilders has a lot of experience, and they deserve the chance to explain their engineering.
The cool air from the galvanized pipes is drier that the warm air.
@@lilsammich8252 Condensation.
@@themartianway Dehumidifiers are very common in the south but yes that would be an issue in the swamp.
sam newcome nope... there is 100% humidity in all the air around. And those tubes did Not dry the air. My grandfather did the same system in 1980 in Brantley County GA. Even Made the local Newspaper. By 1988 they added the A/C For the Humidity Problem.
sam newcome though his “Underground House” was Very energy efficient.
Thank you, good wishes with the Earthship.
This man is awesome! He says he does not build wealthy peoples second houses and that is the kind of attitude we need. Great job.
Me and my partner decided that Florida will be the place we want to settle in. We want to build an off grid earth ship home, so this video is perfect! Thank you!!!!
Super awesome, wow what a project. Cool beans.
Thanks for uploading this. Your videos and earth ships are 2 great tastes that go great together.
This man knows his stuff! I am a huge fan of earth ships..... have been and always will be....this should be... the future of home building. More folks .....could live a great life if they built like this. I have watched this building style....since 1980.... getting better every year.
I am so interested in earthship building...but, I have also lived in Florida. I really cannot see how they will sustain this building in Florida...too MUCH humidity. So, I would use a lot of solar powered dehumidifiers there.
Dude! Thank you I live in Barbados and have been looking for information dealing with earthships in the Caribbean as our needs, construction materials and seasons are completely different than in larger countries. This video answered a few of those questions.
Are you going or started an earthship?
how are they reducing the humidity, i live on the Gulf Coast and humidity is as much of a problem as the temperature?
I don't now for sure. i want to go back and visit again to find out how everything is working as I've heard it's finished now.
I am building my earth-ship this spring. I toured Taos in June of this year and I have gotten some great ideas. Thanks 👍🏻
Caution. The Earthship success stories you see all relied on free labor.
Notice this guy in the video says he's going to finish this project by bringing in a bunch of volunteers. Can you get 30 volunteers to work for you? If no, dont attempt building an earth ship. You'll never finish it.
I have at least 25 willing to help. Taos is in New Mexico
Laura Rufener PLEASE VIDEO RECORD and upload to RUclips !
Checkout my videos. Helped to build the Earthship Six Nations in Ontario Canada in 2016
Where are You going to build Your earthship ?
john howard in Ohio.
Hi Dan, thanks for posting this video. Earth ship building is quite interesting and it's great to see how the builder has adapted for the Florida environment. As always, you have lots of great information to share.
Thanks Dianne. Nice to hear from you!
Thank you for the educational video! Been researching eartship homes for a couple of years now! We definitely need a conscious shift!
Appreciate what y'all do man, great stuff
Wow great functional designs here! From the outside, it looks dominating!
I'd be keen to see an update in future.
Very awesome build. I would like to see an update, if possible. Thank you for taking us along. 🤘🏼
Thank you! Finally an earthship for our Tropical Climate here in the Philippines!
Man Ron’s the man! I watched him demonstrate how to pound the tires with dirt about 10 years ago, beast! Great video 👌🏽
How do you keep condensation from pooling in the culvert pipes? And how do you keep the humidity out of the home if you are pulling air directly from outside?
In most air based ground source systems like this one should drill holes in the tubing so that it’s absorbed back in the earth.
I would guess that some of the pipe is perf and since the moisture in the hot air would condense upon entering the cool earth-bermed pipe, it would remove a lot of the humidity and run into the ground. That is just a guess though.
I think even if the pipe was perforated or not, it still would have lots of constant moisture in the pipes. My guess is that it would smell musty very quickly. Better to use smooth plastic pipe that was angled steeply down so the water could excape. Culvert pipes although strong, would literally just trap tons of water in it. Just my two cents I would never do earth tubes unless you live in the desert, too much issues with air quality.
@@wiseandfunfox You are absolutely correct. The original builders on this particular project had installed earth air tubes consisting of clusters of 4 - 4" PVC pipes, 15' below the ground, 60' long. There was a manifold of 4 going into each of the 4 corner circular rooms. The builders in this video blocked those pipes off and installed the short galvanized pipes you see in the video. As it turned out, the short galvanized pipes actually increased the air temperature and did nothing for the humidity. Building in the desert is a different ballgame than the tropics.
What a wonderful idea to build a place to have and enjoy thanks for sharing the video
This is exelent thanks for sharing
Without a doubt, this concept is the exact right move for our uncertain future. It solves all the outstanding issues for future life and prosperity off the doomed grid.
Yeah I want an update too, I subscribed. We live in North Texas and want to do a permaculture property and earth ship. Glad to find these builders so we have someone to call when it's time !
I'm designing my own eco house at the moment, One concern I have is with the earth tubes, especially connected straight into the living space, in such a high humidity environment, I think that would cause A lot of moisture problems. Those tubes do not look long enough to really change the air temperature, and would condense A ton of water in the pipe. I've watched a ton of videos on people doing earth tubes, it seems like the best is to have a steep angle with a smooth plastic pipe so any water that does condense drips right back to the intake. My guess is that that air, will smell very musty and could cause respiratory issues. Also from the research i've done it's almost always recommended that earth tubes be done only in arid environments, by doing this is such a high humid climate, I would think you would need an active filtration system to have healthy air. Can anyone that has 1st hand experience chime in, I would like to hear other thoughts on this?
wiseandfunfox see my comment about two days before yours. Earth tubes are a bad idea in such a humid environment.
The only way I can see the tubes working is if it is an enclosed circuit going from inside the house out under the dirt and back inside, fan forced. Other than that, a dehumidifier draining into the botanical cell is the ONLY solution I can see working.
look at termites and their ventilation towers ;)
Maybe use dehumidifiers in line , would eat up energy.but should solve the moisture problem.
You are quite correct, the original builder of the structure had buried a manifold of 4 - 4" tubes, 60' long buried 15' underground (a total of 16 tubes). Those earth air tubes had close to a 20 degree temperature change. The crew in this video decided to close those off and install the short culverts above ground; as it turned out the new metal tubes actually added heat to the air coming into the building. Systems that work in New Mexico, don't necessarily do well in a tropical Florida.
yes, I think the humidity is going to wreck this house. it will rust those galvanized tubes, it will grow mold on the walls. The only way to deal with humidity is to have constant and thorough air movement with active dehumidification.
Maybe a membrane that would turn it back into water?
They are making a. Lot of adaptions to the traditional earthship design for humidity. I agree they may need some AC or dehumidifiers running to dry out the building. They already are not using Cob because they know it will never dry in Florida humidity. But it’s why I am following this closely to see if this works in Florida.
Love it so much. Planning on building one up here in Montana.
I would LOVE to see a follow up video of it today ! ( great home .... OR great mushroom farm ?! )
That was very informative, thank you!
Nice torquise in the back 😎
I'm legally blind and I have always dreamed of living self sustainably off the grid, but it isn't plausible for somebody like me, so I am trying to find a compromise that will make it so I can live that dream to a small extent. So far the best thing I have found is an apartment in a small town next to a lake and a river. Right now I am living in Kansas but later on, I will be moving back to my home state Oklahoma where I am going to try to find my permanent residence, a place I will live for the rest of my life. I am 38 and don't want to move around anymore. I want to settle down somewhere and live the best I can in harmony with nature. Got any tips or recommendations?
Also, Earthships are so cool!
All the best to You!
Check out permaculture gardening/farming and look for solar possibilities in that area since that will be your most abundant natural energy supply. Maybe shoot for buying a small plot of land at some point and finding eco-developers to help construct something simple and efficient to run/manage. Good luck!
That sounds very interesting. I'm trying to find a buyer right now for my estate that's perfect for earthship building from our natural resources here in an ancient ocean basin in eastern North Carolina, sitting on sand and clay beside a pond. This place is so unbelievably cool it's kind of hard to imagine. I have 12 fully rented cabin style homes, commutable to Raleigh NC, on a horse estate, 10 horses grazing all around, 7 + pastures with run ins, 9-stall stable plus Very complete horse facilities including trails, show ring, lunge pen, dry lot/covered riding area, community center clubhouse, 18 acres already on septic and well water, perfect spot for tiny homes, earthships and permaculture. Boats, fishing, pool. Too much to list. Already have a community garden. Spirit is leading me to the right buyer. I'd like to actually stay with this project until I die. I live across the pond from it. All my retirement is wrapped up in it so it's time for me to step away let the strong young people guide it. If Spirit leads you to want to know more, talk to my real estate agent, Jim O'Malley at 919-584-7070, listing today August 20th 2021 at one and a half million with 6.3 cap rate I believe. I might make that partnership or deal at a work site like this, and I'm now looking for the opportunity to do it :-)
@@wendywhite2642Just saw what might be your estate on your agent’s site. It looks absolutely stunning! I wish I could put in an offer, but it’s out of my buying-power league. I hope you find the right buyer who will utilize the property the way you wish it 🙏🏻!
@@BogoEN I feel so blessed by your kind reply! 😁❤️🌄🧘♀️
thank you for educational video
I love how the energy feels when you first walk into the home! So much connectedness!
You just don't get that with conventionally constructed homes. You can never go wrong living in harmony with nature!
It's VERY connected to the environment! So much so that it literally rains inside when it's raining outside.
Great video full of important info! Had this project been finished yet? I live in Florida and I love that earth ships are coming down south 👏🏼👏🏼
I live in Jacksonville, Fl. I would love to know how they're dealing with the humidity, especially since they're just south of St. Pete (which gets hotter and more humid than Jax). Great video. I'm happy to see earthships have made it to Florida!
Back in 74 or 75, there was one along A1A between Jax and St Augustine. Just south of Saw Grass. Let me know if you find it. I was living in Jax Bch. Seattle Born Now live in 4 seasons Idaho.
@@RANDOG1951 What side of the road the beach side or intercoastal side?
I think you're thinking of the castle like structure, The Myakka City Earthship is the only one build so far that I know of, Ive heard someone in Jacksonville has one but yet to meet them.
Thank you for that video about the Florida Earthship. We live here in Maryland and are inspired to build an Earthship too using natural products. (Recently learned about AirCrete concrete. It seems like amazing stuff with incredible insulation properties.) In 2012 we visited Taos to stay in 2 Earthships and conduct a business meeting with Mr. Michael Reynolds on a possible Earthship in Maryland. In 2013 we also were able to visit Michael's son (mentioned in the video) in Philadelphia. On our honeymoon would you believe we visited the Kentucky Earthship. It is very encouraging to see a Florida Earthship! It was great to see a different design with the garden area in the middle of the home. In saying that, our additional hopes for this video titled "An Earthship Like None You've Ever Seen" for us is what is the solution to combating the immense humidity heat that plagues the East Coast, and do so without humidifiers inside the home at the end of the cooling tubes, or a traditional HVAC system. About two years ago, we reconnected with Taos headquarters via email to inquire about the humidity issue. Regrettably however at the time, headquarters informed us they were yet to discover the secret to Earthships being built in the two extreme climates: extreme humidity and extreme cold. The Earth's constant 57 F Degrees combined with the cooling tubes and skylights are the perfect solution for dry arid climates. However in extreme humidity climates, the 57 F Degrees is simply not cool enough to efficiently remove the necessary moisture from the air. We were told regrettably the cooling tubes in extreme humid climates, condensate only a fraction of the moisture from the air, as the air passes through the tube. This Florida Earthship will be a very good testing ground for the humidity. My big burning question is has the humidity issue been solved?
That's a good question, and also interesting to hear the answer from the people who designed the earthships. I have to go back to the Florida earthship to find out if there are solutions to that problem. I'd thought that the tubes might condense a lot of the moisture, but I guess not. I wonder if they could design a kind of condenser coil for a portion of the tubes that would cool the air enough to condense the moisture and dehumidify it before it came into the house. It would require energy input and produce heat, but maybe less than a regular dehumidifier and would take advantage of the precooled air to reduce the amount of energy needed to condense the moisture. It would have to cool it to below the dew point, but maybe have to cool it even more to condense the moisture quickly as it moves through the tubes.
I could see a coil with lots of surface area like is found in a dehumifier that the air going through the tubes would pass through. An AC moves air through really fast, so maybe these tubes wouldn't require as much of a dense coil to still condense.
As an HVAC engineer in Tampa I’m going to follow this build and see how fast the owners will grow mushrooms 🍄 in that “house”. I’m all for eco friendly builds, but mister builder with all the answers, can you please provide a thermodynamic analysis that proves that he moisture will be removed properly ?
there is a reason why geothermal isn’t popular in the sunshine state...
I would think that desiccation would be the primary solution for that. I've been looking into liquid desiccant systems that can be recharged with the kinds of temperature that you get from solar thermal systems. There were some recent experiments working with a non-compressor AC. The final design cooled and desiccated incoming air with what amounted to a swamp cooler that used a potassium chloride solution in place of pure water. The rest of the system was there to recharge and drive off humidity that the desiccant grabed and then cool down the heated desiccant before running it through more incoming air. Video here: ruclips.net/video/7w4rg3UcsgI/видео.html
IF it's possible to get most of the needed heat to perform the recharge from a solar thermal system, then it seems likely that you could run a desiccant tower outside the culvert entrances and dry out incoming air before chilling it in the berm. If you wanted to be really extra about it, you could run tubing through another section of the berm to cool the desiccant back down from its recharge temperature.
Wonder how much of the humidity gets removed in the fresh air pipes in the ground?
Just run a dehumidifier if it really comes to that.
@@Alex-uo4qq Dehumidifier would work only in a space with low ventilation and surrounded by a a vapor barrier. The existing heating and cooling system would be disabled. More costly to operate.
@@oj5218 As air is cooled R H would increase. Condensation is expected when air is wet to start with.
How is this passing any county and state codes in Florida?
Notice how they said it was 13 years in the making. I dont know if it is still the original owners but i remember following this years ago when it was just tires and atrium. They spent a couple hundred thousand by that point in time on the stupid ass city,county and state building offices cause city oridnance wont recognize any of yhe building practices. Just more bullshit to get more money and also if everyone was using natural and recycled materials that would be a huge lose for such a large industry of building supplies.
@@ryanhorne6906 I must of not hear the 13 yr. Construction time line. That alone would make you get poor fast. I'd think most for that time was lost in trial/error and having to stack tires for years to do the job. Somewhere, somehow,someone will have to pay something for them eventually. I agree it would be just like when we went through the change of automated/hands on assembly lines like auto manufacturing? 1 industry of newer inovations takes over the others being knocked out of their jobs? That alone destroyed many of lives. The uneployment doubled within 3yrs. From like 7% to 13%. Now it's not nearly that fast, but it's happening and never gonna end till we work out a way out of our own nessasery existence!
These buildings are super strong and durable. The only thing stronger would be a buried structure like a bunker or earth sheltered home. Much stronger than any stick built home.
Henry Badd it is also possible that there are no codes since it is off grid. Many states don’t have codes for buildings outside of municipalities. The codes come from tying into public utilities. Want water utility you have to have plumbing inspections. You want to have electricity then you have to have electrical inspection. But no framing or concrete inspections in those states. It varies from state to state.
@@kamurray67 Someone pointed out something I missed in the video,we need also to consider . Mentioned was the construction started 13 yrs ago.LOL. I personally have built a house in Florida gust before this. No permits at all, but this was just before Google Earth started their spying campaign. So that construction site was grandfathered in.
The comment made by the other person brought something else to mind as well. If this was allowed it would kill many of businesses. Lumber which would actually help our environment of course, but many tradesmen would be out of work fast. Sorta like the change in the auto industries massive layoffs, due to automation assembly as apposed to hands on workers. Once we got nano tech. Industry after industry have been falling like dominos. Raising unemployment rate almost double. Just from the Auto industry alone made it go from around 7% to 13% within 3 yrs. Many had to return to schooling for a new line of work.
Now on another note. 13yrs of working the same site? If your not doing this by yourself. you payed enough in labor to build a mansion. I can't even fathom a group of friends doing this for free that long. Somehow they're eating. Not to mention ,you have to scrounge up all those tires or your paying for them.
Do you also recall them saying " you can not leave it unattended for much longer then 3 months. Can you picture yourself having to restucco everything all the time forever and at the age of 70? I really thought the concept was to save money and the environment. Just 3 months on a normal build site the run off of gray warter from any cement/Portland product is bad for our water supply.
Then you have the issues of gathering enough stuff to start working with.
I'm all in for saving the environment and time is money. It would appear this route is wrong in so many ways. I do like working with recycled woods and such. But for some reason. I do think we should be able to have a strong enough structure that can be moved but far more solid then a mobile and can be packed up and ready to be moved within days. That being said I can only come up with shipping containers. Your house is already packed up. You may have to rearrange and secure may things but axles can be placed on in a few hrs. And your out of the way of a cat 5 within 4 days assuming the funds are there to do so.. however if it ever became legal a little more funds added to insurance could insure that. Them containers themselves are very sturdy already and in most cases can take a hell of a beaten in a hurricane. I live in Florida and seen it with my own eyes.
A house reduced to stick and trash but on the very same property they've had shipping containers for tool storage not moved or just tipped over and only moved a few inches.
I think if placed on a concrete slab with anchor bolts set in along with underground rough ins would secure that thing down. A 2 x 4 at 130 mph may punch through a few inches but thats just the steal its self. I'm sure you'll have some insulation, framing and may be a siding. Man I have tons of ideas on this and am very confident I can design something of this sort. I was in the top of my class when I took up Mech. Drafting. Enjoy your thoughts and mostly the comments coming from multiple sources. I was a project manager for a Mech. Firm and listened to the men working the job. Collectively we resolves problems much faster. But a must is someone in the background being a so called Na Sayer. They bring the, what if issues into focus that many other may not have thought through the whole idea. Offering very valuable redundancy. Keep it coming.
you actually don't have a choice whether or not you tie yourself to the grid in the State of Florida because we tried building an eco-village down there and we were essentially shut down because it is illegal to be off grid there you have to tie into the utilities but I love that aspect that you can tie into them not for them to make money but for you guys to that's awesome
Terrific and good luck .
We have a hybrid in S. Co. Tire bales, with a bit of pounded tires...not complete but all livable...
This one will be cool, is cool thou!
When it's 100deg 100% humidity 24/7 in July-Sept, those cool tubes are not gonna cut it.
They need to build a community of these around the area. These are hard to sell if there is no one around who knows how to operate one.
Also, address mold, and flooding. I think it needs a certain rise above ground level, a dry moat, and more ventilation. Access to local breezes. Maybe some kind of naturally powered fan.
Yeah, I think mold is going to be a problem. If they coated the interior walls with lime plaster that would help control mold.
Also, last time I heard someone talk about a convection cooling tunnel like that, it had to be shut down because of mold inside the tunnels.
Andrea Wisner
I think you are right. In this climate, it kind of reminds me of a bomb shelter; something to use in bad weather or emergencies, but it might not be healthy to live in full time.
Find out whether it works before building more.
My back yard ! Cool ! Ty4Sharing
Wolf🐺 👍....from west central Florida.
You should make a trip and check it out. It might be close to done by now.
@@HardcoreSustainable .....Would love to some day. Ty
@@HardcoreSustainable ....an hour south of St. Petersburg does not tell me the address of earthship though ??
@@HardcoreSustainable ... Is it around Venice, Florida ??
Thank you for sharing!!!
Definitely , learn something New . I'm very interested in this and will love to the finished product. Wow , Cave man had the right ideas an
Oops sorry , knew how to survive . Think how long ago that was . I will definitely keep up with the progress of this earth house project .
💖🍀🌱🌱🌱🌎🌏 i cant wait to build mine!! So happy to see this home.
There is a way to automate the collection of rainwater from roof runoff. You have a y value that lets the first water run down into the lower leg and fill it up with the amount of water it takes to get to clean water. Then the rest of the water goes up the second leg and into the holding tank. The lower leg has a small bleed line that empties the lower leg after the rain stops.
I have a 35 year old house and designed it so that I can leave it for months at a time. It can be done.
I have that kind of setup for my rainwater collection system too.
Love ,love you Ron!!
Your whole description of the process.
I want to build one, and ha ve some ideas for a community.
LOVE the video! Please post return trip video. Would love to see finished build.
I'm working on contacting the owner to ask about another video. We'll see, but I want to do it while I'm here this winter.
Great analogy for a great structure. 👍
This video is from 2019, now in 2023 has it been completed? I've visited Taos many years ago and saw the original earthships. Building one in FW Florida has immense challenges compared to Taos environment. I live in Ft Myers, not far Myakka and would love to visit this.
I want a small version of this house!! I love the self sufficiency of it. ❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️
me too.
Thankyou. I live in Florida and wondered if this was possible
Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜
Wow! That's wonderful! I heard rumor of an earthship somewhere in my area but haven't gone looking for it yet.
Galvanized culverts are corrugated. As the hot humid air will hit them, the water vapor will condensate on the metal sides and collect in the corrugation. I hope they thought about this and integrated a drainage system. Otherwise it will be mold bonanza in there.
Mathieu Lamaure ooooo you just saved me some headache on my build! Thanks!
Thanks ron
OMG. I swear if I ever win the lottery I want to build one of these homes in Alabama.
At least you won’t be at sea level.
Im in Alabama too. You dont have to win the lottery to build one!! Recycled materials!
These houses cost a small fortune to build, that's why practically all the extant earthships are around Toas. Trust fund hippies.
Great video I'm familiar with earth ships out in the desert I live in Florida and I'm not understanding how there won't be mold and mildew growing inside the house without some sort of DE humidifier or air conditioning. Could you ask him how he's dealing with the humidity?
Having lived in Florida myself, I wonder about that as well. Especially considering the natural convection being used to move the air, won't that process create even more interior humidity issues?
I live in south texas and am interested in humidity as well.
The constant air flow through the house will actually help Cooling tubes are great . Like I said in the video Earth ships are traditionally not meant or Built-in sept tropical climate for a reason
As it turned out, the short galvanized tubes used by this company did not adequately deal with either temperature or humidity.
Thanks for posting. Curious as to whether or not earthships are viable in this humid Florida climate. It will be great to see it finished.
Ron you are the man
A lot of spin from the “master builder.” The humidity and moisture issues were not addressed. The interviewer should have questioned this.
Yeah, he talked about this structure 'laughing' at hurricanes but didn't talk about the glass atrium... If they don't seal the building well (which they clearly did not) and install an ERV then the humidity will be quite bad.
you can add old cut grass for the cement mix as well
You are eco gurus. Nice to see eco gurus know how to compromise when it makes sense!
How does they deal with the humidity (hint - smells when left alone)? In Thailand we have 25-35C and 70-90% humidity on average. Humidity and heat is eating up all materials much faster then anything else
I also wonder if temperature and humidity concerns can be mitigated by putting deeper in the ground with more ventilation and maybe even a floor heating system.
They never addressed the humidity issue. I live in Tampa and am buying property in central florida to specifically build a hybrid earthship. My answer is inline dehumidifiers. Not a problem with my solar im taking off my house to power the ship. I would love an idea for a natural solution. The only other thing that would apply is plastic french drain in a sock to help expel the moisture collected through pipes.
@@ryanhorne6906 I am also looking to move to central FL to do the same. Amazing to think that this is the first Earthship in FL. Makes me wonder about building codes, permits etc. My biggest fear about building my own home is running into a nightmare of permits, fees, fines and red tape. I'm not much for following rules and signs and I can see myself running afoul of regulations real quick if I am not careful. Where are you planning to go sir?
@@brianlevor6295 I am in clearwater now but have grown up here and I cant stand how much it has become overcrowded. I am looking south of brookesville mainly in an area called spring lake due to the terrain changes which will help incorporate the home into the earth a little better. These guys did the footwork with the permitting and city ordinance hence why it cost so much. I am building a hybrid which will pass code and be connected to the grid just to make it easier on my pocket book but after final I can just flip a switch to be self reliant. Word to the wise about moving down here: be prepared for hot and humid especially even worse the further you get away from the coast down here.
I've been wanting to build an earthship for a while
Its good to see how it's different from the global model. I'm located in Milton Fl
Great video will be nice to see the follow up on it. Would love to have one of these homes 😊😊😊
7:10 here in Canada it costs $12,000 to get the Net meter and sell energy for monthly bill reductions
Seems like the utilities must be worse up there than our US utilities.
@@HardcoreSustainable I'm not even joking when I say the service fees are more than the usage fees.. energy usage of 63$ would net you 120$ after transportation cost.. don't even get me started on the water bill
@@HellFire178 Probably also depends on where you live. But most people live in the cities. But if you live out in the middle of nowhere, of course the transport costs will be higher. We have electric co-ops here and it's pretty cheap. Private utilities would never bother with rural areas because they couldn't make a profit.
@@HardcoreSustainable i wish it was that way, as far as I know hydro one is the only power company in Ontario's and the transportation costs are static no matter where you go... I've wanted to switch off grind for so long. But why front 11,000 grand and still pay hydro
I have a dream and have filed for a federal grant and think these would be perfect for the veterans village I want to do . It solves the homeless vet and the save the earth aspects it's a win win for my little hippie heart. Thank you for this incredible video. Much love to ya
Great idea
@@HardcoreSustainable if anyone wants to take this idea and do it as well that's great the more the better the goal isn't credit for me the goal is getting vets off the street that's what's important not who does it or where the idea came from as long as it gets done the more the merrier 😉
I'm a vet and I want to build earth ships... I love your idea!
Man I'm a roofer in st.pete and do alot of eco building and they should really do a silicone system on the roof it would drop interior temps by a few degrees.
The roof system is what ultimately stopped this project shortly after this video was filmed. The amalgamation of roofing techniques didn't end up working very well in Florida and water pours into the building with each rain. The New Mexico crew also being unfamiliar with Florida codes skipped a few anchoring steps that triggered a stop work order by the building department.
Love love these homes
Thanks for sharing this with us, please share the update when you go again.
Can the grey water system work if you wanted a well instead of catching the rain water?
Great vid! I'm just surprised you got it passed in Florida! Seems like they don't like off grid anything
How do these guys deal with the offgassing from the tires?
Keep up the good work 🙏❤️
How do you find the resource to help build an earthship . I mean so you can have a workshop.?
Thanks
Amazing build!
I'd just check online for workshops. I know that Michael Reynolds does workshops. This project took volunteers and I'm sure others do too if you want hands on experience.
Amazing!
How far away from the ocean, is the building site? I ask because of the storm surges, before or after hurricanes.
Good idea
How much does it cost to build one of these with these guys ?
i live near st pete, is the site avail for volunteers to help?
They were having volunteers help when I was there last winter, but I don't know now.
I appreciate how he mentions the unique climate of the area. As someone who's not from Taos NM or Portland OR, a lot of sustainability content just isn't transferable or relatable for me. It's nice to see different areas represented.
I'd like to see a update video about this!
What is the summer time temperature inside?
I just moved about 40 minutes from here
Any chance I can get in touch with the owner to see it?
Sorry, not likely. I just found out that the current owner bought the land for the land and not much is happening with the house. Unfortunately, the recent builder, not Ron from the video, changed some things about the build and the house violated code, so they shut down the construction.
@@HardcoreSustainable ok I totally get that. I did some work fixing and making multifamily housing in northern Nh and my biggest issue was working with the city counsel and the code officer. It was like they didn't want things to get fixed up and progress😒😒
@@4ofaKindhomestead Well the guy I talked to said the county wanted to see it happen, and the builder knew what they had to do, and had they just done it, it would have been fine. So this building could have been finished and been a great earthship that people lived in.
I'll tell you why he might not want to tie into grid. Next door neighbor put in solar. She gets credit towards her bill...but no credit for any power she generates over and above her needs at the moment. So she will be basically supplying power company with free power all winter long.
That sucks. But there is a hopeful seeming blockchain solution: Power Ledger or POW is a way for small renewable power producers to trade their excess power with others on the grid who need it. POW kind of creates an invisible ecosystem of power production and power users that trades automatically in the background. It requires a somewhat smarter grid but it could really revolutionize energy. (disclosure, I got excited by their proposal and invested a little)
The rules on selling back power varies from power company to power company.. each state has different laws and each utility has different policies based on those laws. Many utilities have power buy back rates per kwh in excess of what you use. Many however, dont credit you as mentioned. Long story short: do your own research to learn about your utilities policies
Funny how every area and home use vastly different amounts of power. Some areas the cost of power is still very cheap so it does not pay to sell the power back. Other areas they charge so much for power is makes zero sense not to sell the power back. With an earth ship most find the power usage tends to be lower with reduction from heat and cooling that amount to around 70% for most people who would live in a traditional house with what is common HVAC. I did note that they put in much larger earth tubes than one sees in N. M. Still in Florida the amount of heat or cooling is not really substantial due to the physics of how they perform. They also will do NOTHING when it comes to humidity.. which is why he was talking about you cannot close up an earth ship there in florida.. Can you say mold? Big time. So the earth tubes are really there for fresh air ventilation.
Well, solar cells are hard on the grid, because they aren't producing predictably. So you may have energy coming in, but no where for it to go, and that can damage the grid. So you need to adjust your reliable resources to produce less, etc.
Thank you!
I am located in the Tampa area. How would I contact the home owner about my helping out?
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Sorry if it seems I'm butting in - just an interested viewer is all. This interview was made in February so my guess is that they've progressed quite a bit
from the point we're seeing in the video. That being said, I'd contact the Pangea builders facebook page.
@@annakeye Im assuming since its already been such a long ongoing project... Im not too late. LOL
@@annakeye Actually just a few weeks after this video was made, the project received a stop work order from the building department. The property owner sold it to a neighbor.
I would love to see how this goes. Definitely do a follow up in a year or two. Janice
Congratulations on 13th anniversary
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Caution. Earthships always rely on free labor. They are so labor intensive they cannot be built without it.
You cannot build one yourself, and unless you're famous enough to scam 30 volunteers into a "workshop" with you, you're going to have to pay a lot of people for a lot of hours.
Well, if people are willing to volunteer to learn about building what's the problem. They aren't chained to the site or "scammed". I'm sure if they weren't happy doing it they'd leave, right? I've done some natural building and that is a lot of work too. It just takes more time, but a couple people could build one. Maybe not one this big, but we are so used to using fossil fuel as our cheap labor and building disposable houses out of crap material. Putting in some work is what it takes to build more sustainably.
@@HardcoreSustainable It isnt sustainable if you're relying on unsustainable labor sources. Thats why earthships never caught on. They cost too much labor. And that's also why the volunteers are not getting anything useful out of these workshops- they will never get to use the skills to build their home the way they hope to.
@@piratepartyftw I guess I wouldn't be able to determine that without some kind of research into cause and effect. It could very well be, but competing with fossil fuel and also being able to adapt them to climates other than deserts are other big contributing factors to cost prohibition. Strawbale houses don't cost any less to build than conventional houses, though you might not think so because the bales and sand and clay are pretty cheap, but it takes a lot of labor to build them.
@R V ---- crowsneststpete.com/2016/01/11/floridas-first-earthship-incomplete-up-for-sale/ --- The original owners explain why they had to sell their incomplete Earthship , too much like work to build it . Doing a "Weekend Workshop " gives lazy people something to do on a weekend but most people won't even do that . In the above video the Pangea Builders even makes the statement of "Volunteer" laborers for a "Workshop" so that they could gain this type of building experience and in the link I shared from 2011 the Pfalzers explain that the labor and cost was just more than they could afford . Truth is if you don't mind doing all of the work by yourself , you could very much build 1 of these single handed BUT YOU had best be MOTIVATED and capable of working by yourself because they are a "Job and 1/2 to complete".( Most people CAN'T build 1 of these by themselves )....
It requires a community, that's a part of the whole idea. Sustainability requires cooperation. Even including helping others out for no other reason than to help.
There needs to be a contractor developer for Earth homes and domes, totally specialist engineers and architects. To progress and create the demand for everyone interested in them all.
I love earthships but i live in tropical climate so what I'm going to do is just build my house with concrete and I'll use the basic concepts of earthship like Using solar power, Rainwater harvesting, a big kitchen garden, Greywater system, composting waste, recycling, reusing and I'm also thinking about buying electric vehicles but they're so expensive.
I am really curious how this handles the constant issues of the deep southeast:
flooding (does it have pumps?), mildew, mold, muck, mugginess, snakes, palmetto bugs, roaches, earwigs, mosquitoes, rot (that wood frame around the entrance to the underground airflow pipe is going to be black with mold after none too long), leaks, daily rainfall ...
Living in the southeast, houses built UP (stilts, etc) off the ever-damp ground seemed to last. Even the egg-shaped hurricane-proof cement houses on the beach are very open & flowy & away from damp soil. This is exactly the opposite, excited to see how it goes.
There's no such thing as dry heat in the southeast. Will this Earthship remain habitable for people? Or will black mold, critters, etc, take over quickly? I'll be interested to see.
exactly why I would never want to live in Florida!
Hi, I love your project! I've a question:
How deep should the foundation of tires be, in an earthquake zone, or rather, how many layers of tires should be under the house?
Does anyone know that?
Thank you ✌
I've never built an earthship myself, but I know there is plenty of info out there about how to do it...in books and on the internet. You could probably find this info.