Like other commenters, I'd advise against making big changes to the layout. On our Lagoon 420 we made big improvements by small changes and learned to appreciate the benefits of the original design. If you rip out too much and leave yourself with too much to do then life has a habit of taking over and you never finish what you started. I recommend you leave the layout of the saloon and kitchen as they are. Really they are fine. Restrict your changes to replacing the work top and the appliances. Leave the heads as they are. As you said, "they are functional". That's all you need on a boat, the rest is self-indulgence. Leave the orientation of the berth, as it is; remember when you are at sea it is an advantage to have different berths for different conditions, so to be able to move to the the quietest or calmest berth is a real luxury. Talking of luxury. Our biggest improvement was replacing the berth cushions with a proper sprung mattress. This might not work for you in your aft cabins, because of the location of the engine. Running all the lines to the cockpit is a good idea, since you are a couple that will, at times, be effectively sailing singlehanded. You don't need to rerun your genoa sheets, just your halliards and reefing lines. Scampering across the cockpit to pull in the starboard sheet is fine. An electric winch at the helm is a good idea. Rig a couple of well placed blocks and you can use it to raise and lower the dinghy, as well as hauling up the mainsail. It can also be used to pull in a midship line when docking shorthanded. If you are replacing the batteries then it's worth paying the extra and getting LiFePo4 batteries and charger.
One tip - use the boat for what it is intended for a few weeks. Things you think don't work now might have a reason and things you think will work might get better ideas. Do the maintenance as needed, but I wouldn't make major changes for at least 6 months, focus on getting those loans down.
Yeah, we hear you. And while its not 6 months worth, we did use the boat heavily for about a month before starting and renovations. (were a little behind on the videos) We did about 600 miles of motoring and sailing and moored, anchored, docked in many different scenarios. Some of the things we want to change were immediately apparent. Like having to go to the other side of the boat to release the stbd jibsheet. Other things we're letting be to see if they matter to use in the long run.
Nice boat it has a lot of space Yes I prefer my engines out back and not under the beds but you get more corrosion as sea water always finds its way in when the hatch is opened. But you get quite a bit of heat and noise from the engine under the bed. I don’t like a soft top. My hard top is a godsend in the hot weather for protection from rain and sun something to consider My boat everything comes to the helm except the main. You raise and lower the main from the mast but it’s not something you do often. The jib and jib furler and traveller all come to the helm. Great idea 2 winches by the helm. My 3 cabin Leopard 40 has a great front head nice walk in shower with seat for rough passages. I believe in a decent shower and not a hand shower. Also go for decent 340w solar panels. On a boat this size you will need 1000w to be comfortable Will be watching your changes closely
AWESOME!!!!! You kids are BLESSED... Sounds like an almost total rebuild... FUN,FUN,FUN... It's great that Y'all are going to personalize your home/boat. You ideas sound great!!! Be blessed... BBE..
I'm not a cat person (either the feline of twin hull variety) but I still dig it because it has sails and I respect it because I know it goes faster than my monohull. That said, I can really appreciate the spirit of your overhaul plans but i will echo the statements of many others; I'd sail it for a year and keep a detailed journal. I think you will surprise yourself at how much your perspective will change on what exactly you will end up changing. The one thing I agree with completely that is worth doing right away, your plans to lead lines and have sail controls to the cockpit... very smart.
yeah, I would guess, being that you should 2x your estimates, it could run $50K + depending on how much work they do ... rigging replacement, engine rebuild(s) ... redoing their cabins. It sounds like they are almost gutting the boat (probably a good idea).
Great for living in a dock and fair weather short distance sailing (so you can pick your good weather) but give me a monohull. I build a wet / dry sauna into the head and a Jacuzzi onto the cockpit (with jets and mood lighting that runs on fresh or salt water with a fresh shower rinse off and of course, flip a valve to recycle / reheat the water). But hey, that's just me.
My comment echos what others have said- Congrats!! I also would want to make all those changes because I can't find a Cat. with those modifications as original build. A couple of times I even asked some of the major builders if those modifications could be done. They all said it would be too hard or too expensive, so needless to say, I've been very frustrated! I think your boat is a great overall size of a catamaran for a single sailor or couple, with space to spread out or host visitors occasionally. But I agree, the "owner's version" would be a must for living aboard. I will be following closely. Thank you for this and all previous videos! Seafever
I would suggest that you don't rush in a make a bunch of changes. Use it as is for a while and then see what changes are a must do. When you spend a lot on a boat you never get that back.
geoffthefarmer ... l couldn't agree more, sail the boat for a season . You will know what you need to really change. This is your first boat how do you know why what you don't like needs to be changed. Sorry I watch way to many people spending all their time tearing boats apart before they have spent any time sailing it to figure out what's what! Again all these changes you are talking about is at least 1/2 the price of the boat and if you do it your self it will take 2 years if you are not working! 9 months if you pay somebody. I know it's too late but ask somebody that knows! Cheers Warren
geoffthefarmer I definitely agree. 160K is already a lot of debt. Why dig yourselves into more debt just because you want things "updated"? This is not a house. You're not increasing any resale value. It would be a different story if you had payed cash for the boat and had money to spare for reno. What I'm trying to say is: sail the boat you can afford today. In cash. Cash is the name of the game. You run out of cash and it's game over!
Congratulations on your new boat. I am no expert on the catamaran market, but I would just leave the interior how it is and go sailing, upgrade the sails and systems if needed. Its nice enough as it is!
We were excited to make this video if only to juxtapose it against our "After" video coming in a few months. :) (Pardon the audio issues, it was windy enough to make the expensive microphone struggle.)
Congradulations on your Boat. I hope it will bring you all the happiness and fun and adventure possible for 2018. Last month I just bought the plans to build my own boat (37 foot steel hull gaff rigged sailboat) Wish me luck!!!
For an older boat, this vessel has clean lines. It’s kind of like you just bought your first place and you want to make it your own. I can well understand your desire to make it special. Just be sure that either 1. You plan to own it for a long time -5-7 years or 2, be clear on how much of your improvement expenditure you will get back upon resale. Your capital is too precious at your age to be throwing it after upgrades and amenities that the next owner won’t appreciate, much less pay extra for. Your first boat need not be perfect for you - you have time and many more boats in your future. Best to you both!!!!
Congratulations on the boat. I really like your thought process. Take her on some longer ocean passages before finalizing your reconfiguration plans. There will be things that will bug you that will elevate in priority as you sail her. I'm very interested in the conversion plans for the heads and salon on the 410 and what you aspects you plan to do yourself vs hire out. Given the higher demand and prices for owners versions, I would imagine one would have some room to make a conversion and not be underwater on the resale value, but I'd love to see someone do it successfully and affordably before I put that theory to the test myself. Of course, if you plan to customize this to your needs and wants and keep it for 20 years, who cares about what others think, right? I'll enjoy watching you two progress with your vision.
You have to be the best "explainer" in the youtube cruising comunity. ;D You guys are awesome! Wishing you all the best, and please keep sharing your adventures and opinions.
When i got my boat... i bought expensive scuba gear so I can do my own inspections. I had to use at 2 am in an emergency situation to check the anchor set 40 feet down. Anytime I anchor Ill dive to check the set even though our water is cold!
Regarding the engine noise, I suggest that you run one engine at a time, running two doesn’t give you twice the power anyway, so run the engine under the owners bed during the day and under the guest bed at night, at least when you don’t have a guest on board.
Gorgeous boat! Super excited for the beginning of your adventires! As avid RUclips sailing viewers, we look forward to every episode! Be safe, have fun, and keep the videos rolling! Nice boat! ~ Josh & Jill
Congrats on the new boat and sticking with your plans/dreams. I am looking forward to watching the conversion process which I am sure will be great. I am very curious to see how it all stacks up and compares to have waited and purchased an owners version with some of the updated features you are shooting for vs. buying this current boat and investing the $ and hours to make the conversion. I have not seen anyone documenting the cost of such conversion other than comments that its not feasible - so prove them wrong and please share invested costs and hours! Best of luck.
I'm so happy you two got a boat I've been watching for a long time and cheering for you. I too hope to own my own boat one day. That said I don't understand why you would buy any boat thats NOT want you want. I mean the changes your talking about are big changes and amount to almost a full remodel. You should have just bought the boat you wanted and been done with it IMO.
Thanks for cheering us on! We got this boat because it was in our price range and owners versions are usually way more expensive. We didn't want to wait years to save up for one. It might take years to get everything we want done but we are for sure working on converting it to an owners version DIY right now which is cheaper than buying a boat thats an owners version. It's also fun to customize it the way we would like! Also we are learning so much about all the functions of the boat.
Yes, the 410 is a strong boat. I met a French couple that had a 410; their autopilot ran them onto a reef whilst they were dealing with a serious leak caused by a failed skin fitting. The boat was not badly damaged. Top tip: Check the skin fittings are bronze.
One suggestion. Think about resale if you take it to a two cabin boat. I can see three but two will make it harder to sell later on. Nice looking boat.
Always have to think of resale because if you think you are done with boats you are nuts.... I have had three each time more expensive then the last :-) finally went to a Land Yacht (motorhome) because I was getting a little older
You're both beautiful. I love your boat... Hopefully within the next year or so, we hope to be on our 50 foot Carver motorboat. We're following you. Love you videos.
Not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not, but I'm thinking your interior "wind" noise was Jessica's breathing - I've had it happen to me before as I had no idea my breathing was loud enough for the camera to pick up...not 100% sure, but that's my guess. Good looking boat...good luck with your adventure.
Good luck with the big jobs on the boat. As mentioned on previous video, really interested in the conversion to owners hull. Think that going to be more common requirement and event since owners versions going to be sparse on second hand market in next few years due to hurricane damage and charter market recovery plans
It's been nice seeing y'all set a goal so long ago, and now you FINALLY have a boat! Way to stick with it! Much respect from an internet stranger! I'm excited to watch this next chapter of boat renovation to see how it turns out. Do you have a timeframe and a budget for the overhaul?
Awesome! I know ya'll are excited. What is your projected time frame for the "upgrades"? I know some can be done feet wet, what parts will have to be done on the hard? I have enjoyed watching your progress, keep up the positive vibes!
Awesome! This is so freakin exciting! You do have your work cut out for you. It seems like you guys will be doing a lot of things that people dread doing and would rather either just pay for it or stay away from all together. Counting remodeling inside, upgrading some gear, rerouting the rigging, dealing with engines and probably doing a whole lot of other things, what do you think it will cost you (assuming you put in all the work) and how long before you guys will actually start sailing a blue water cruiser? It will be interesting to compare the estimates now to the outcome later. Good luck with your project you guys can totally do it!
Have you considered separating the toilet and the shower? It's much more convenient when they aren't tied up together. People can shower without tying up the toilet and use the toilet without stinking up the shower. Maybe less of an issue if you're married and don't mind sharing at the same time, but guests and future owners might appreciate it.
As much as we can. There are a few things on our long long list that need specialist equipment that we may have to hire out for. Specifically the metal work for a new hard bimini/davits/solarpanel holder.
Question for you guys. The money you plan to spend to covert into a owners version 3 cabin 2 head. Wont that be almost the same money as buying an owners version to begin with???
You guys have always been analytical in your videos. I wonder if you had an estimate of the cost of remodelling your boat (which seems to me quite extensive) and compared it with the price difference between, say 4 cabin and owner's version?
Really really interested in your bathroom conversions and opening up the owners side from a 4 cabin. This will be fantastic material for your channel. How is the puppy dealing with the boat transition?
Yeah, we're trying to figure out the best way to do that. Was sort of thinking of making a separate channel for all the Fixit things where we get more into the nitty gritty that the average viewer cares to see, and then keep this channel more "fun" and vloggy. And because boats always have something that needs fixing, the other channel could keep going long after the refit.
Doing the reno stuff now, timetable is hopefully within 3 months. But we've got flexibility with that. If we have to spend more of something, we'd rather it be time than money.
So you are effectively modifying from a charter version to an owners version. I'm guessing it will take a lot longer and cost a lot more than planned to perform this conversion. You should really give it a go first and see what you think before tearing it apart! Combining the port side heads into a large shower and head is a great idea and standard on other catamaran types, but not Lagoon.
Gary was very instrumental in finding the boat. We were of course doing our own online "shopping" but Gary found this particular boat right as it hit the market and knew it was what we were looking for. So we moved in on it quick.
There was actually a new and uninstalled windlass on the boat when we bought it. Which was quite a score for us. New water heater too on that note. Just sitting in the vberth waiting to be installed.
As a follow-up, don't spend 2 years documenting renovations dockside or risk a mini mutiny from your subscribers as happened to MJ Sailing last week after posting yet another "how to" renovation/upgrade video 2 years running. Its always interesting and educational to watch and learn but at some point you have to mix in some sailing or pull up anchor and "GO" or it gets stale! Best of luck. I look forward to watching your progress and your voyages.
k mort omg your so right. I laughed when I saw their last vid again more shit!! I u subbed cause I am so so sick of watching that it was ridiculous. I even commented on their channel about it. I think they don't want to sail or have OCD HAHAHAHA
Not really, unless you mean that it's large. This is a typical worn-out charter boat. Engines and generator will need replacement soon enough, and all other systems are at the end of their life. It will be interesting to see if they really have the where-with all to do all the major interior renovations he describes, as that will be pretty expensive, and they are deep in debt just to acquire the boat. If there are no structural issues, then all of it is doable, just takes the $$ to do it.
I am thinking about $50K to upwards of $100K to do all the things they talked about - even if they are doing much of the labor. I would hope the engines would be good to go with maybe a rebuild. I know the marine environment is tough, yet if the engine maintenance was performances - I would think they are only halfway through their useful life (maybe not even).
Not sure how much we'll spend on it. We're doing a lot of the work ourselves. But there are some big ticket items, things like a new house bank of batteries, solar and solar controllers, and a new hard bimini/enclosure for the cockpit. Cant really spend more than 30k on the refit. Aiming for 20k, but that's probably optimistic. How long is unknown, as long as we like it and can't afford to upgrade to something bigger. Since moneywise, upgrading would be years and years in the future, the limiting factor is really for how long we continue to enjoy the lifestyle.
Spend first money on safety and gear for for the boat. I can think of many things to do before thinking about remodeling the boat. Sails, blocks, rigging, electronics, satellite phone / EPIRB, life raft.. etc... that alone could add to way more than 20k.
Agree with you. They want to basically change everything on the boat which will be a lot of time and money and they won't get it back. They would be better of sailing with it as is and looking for one at the same time that is closer to the the configuration and fit out they want.
Interesting response Chief Kelley. Firstly did you watch the same video? Secondly do you really wish to advise a young couple that have bought a fairly young boat in good condition that changing nearly everything is economically viable? These are not minor alterations. Oh and ever bought a boat, maybe 1 or 2. I just hope they consider cost and time over return and don't burn in the process.
Yes, we used Gary and he found it for us. Really he got a line on it before it hit the market so I don't think the boat was every listed widely like on yachtworld.
Sorry to sound dismissive. Judging by the way you talk and walk around the boat, I get the strong sense that you are not seasoned wood and boat workers/builders. Don't start ripping out the interieur like this, it will devalue the boat tremendously and it will look a mess. Focus on getting here fully serviced: engine , seacocks, batteries, winches, standing rigging, check every block, rope and chain. I.e start with the important stuff. Lagoons are well designed and clever boats.
A great boat. When you are doing the rework on your cabin and as an addition to the other engine compartment. I would put Dynamat to the underside of the beds to quite the engine noise. Here is a link to Summit Racing, but you can find it at other places on the internet. www.summitracing.com/search/brand/dynamat?ibanner=SREPD3
FYI if you buy dynamat, you are paying for a ton of brand recognition and advertising. There are plenty of competitors on the market that have a comparable product at a fraction of the price. Look on Amazon.
Honestly why buy this boat? I like the lagoon but man all that stuff will add up to more than a newer boat with all the stuff already done. Am I wrong?
DO NOT FIX ANYTHING with the layout until you sail it for at least a year. You have no idea what will actually work and what will not. The stuff you do not like you may end up totally appreciating. Just sayin... Wait
Okay, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that your $20-$30k refit budget is not gonna go as far as you hope it will. Nor will I advise you to scrap the "wants" & only go for "needs". ☺
You don't make any sense....why buy a boat that you don't like....for the money you will spend to change it you could have bought the one you want ????
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Like other commenters, I'd advise against making big changes to the layout. On our Lagoon 420 we made big improvements by small changes and learned to appreciate the benefits of the original design.
If you rip out too much and leave yourself with too much to do then life has a habit of taking over and you never finish what you started.
I recommend you leave the layout of the saloon and kitchen as they are. Really they are fine. Restrict your changes to replacing the work top and the appliances.
Leave the heads as they are. As you said, "they are functional". That's all you need on a boat, the rest is self-indulgence.
Leave the orientation of the berth, as it is; remember when you are at sea it is an advantage to have different berths for different conditions, so to be able to move to the the quietest or calmest berth is a real luxury.
Talking of luxury. Our biggest improvement was replacing the berth cushions with a proper sprung mattress. This might not work for you in your aft cabins, because of the location of the engine.
Running all the lines to the cockpit is a good idea, since you are a couple that will, at times, be effectively sailing singlehanded. You don't need to rerun your genoa sheets, just your halliards and reefing lines. Scampering across the cockpit to pull in the starboard sheet is fine.
An electric winch at the helm is a good idea. Rig a couple of well placed blocks and you can use it to raise and lower the dinghy, as well as hauling up the mainsail. It can also be used to pull in a midship line when docking shorthanded.
If you are replacing the batteries then it's worth paying the extra and getting LiFePo4 batteries and charger.
One tip - use the boat for what it is intended for a few weeks. Things you think don't work now might have a reason and things you think will work might get better ideas. Do the maintenance as needed, but I wouldn't make major changes for at least 6 months, focus on getting those loans down.
sorry - CONGRATS and all the best!
Yeah, we hear you. And while its not 6 months worth, we did use the boat heavily for about a month before starting and renovations. (were a little behind on the videos) We did about 600 miles of motoring and sailing and moored, anchored, docked in many different scenarios. Some of the things we want to change were immediately apparent. Like having to go to the other side of the boat to release the stbd jibsheet. Other things we're letting be to see if they matter to use in the long run.
Smart approach.
Nice boat it has a lot of space
Yes I prefer my engines out back and not under the beds but you get more corrosion as sea water always finds its way in when the hatch is opened. But you get quite a bit of heat and noise from the engine under the bed.
I don’t like a soft top. My hard top is a godsend in the hot weather for protection from rain and sun something to consider
My boat everything comes to the helm except the main. You raise and lower the main from the mast but it’s not something you do often. The jib and jib furler and traveller all come to the helm. Great idea 2 winches by the helm.
My 3 cabin Leopard 40 has a great front head nice walk in shower with seat for rough passages. I believe in a decent shower and not a hand shower.
Also go for decent 340w solar panels. On a boat this size you will need 1000w to be comfortable
Will be watching your changes closely
Wow! Looks like your patience and hard work paid off with a great deal! Congratulations!
AWESOME!!!!! You kids are BLESSED... Sounds like an almost total rebuild... FUN,FUN,FUN... It's great that Y'all are going to personalize your home/boat. You ideas sound great!!! Be blessed... BBE..
I'm not a cat person (either the feline of twin hull variety) but I still dig it because it has sails and I respect it because I know it goes faster than my monohull. That said, I can really appreciate the spirit of your overhaul plans but i will echo the statements of many others; I'd sail it for a year and keep a detailed journal. I think you will surprise yourself at how much your perspective will change on what exactly you will end up changing. The one thing I agree with completely that is worth doing right away, your plans to lead lines and have sail controls to the cockpit... very smart.
Very good deal on the boat,I know u know you're going to spend a lot on those changes,can't wait to see the after product.
yeah, I would guess, being that you should 2x your estimates, it could run $50K + depending on how much work they do ... rigging replacement, engine rebuild(s) ... redoing their cabins. It sounds like they are almost gutting the boat (probably a good idea).
Great for living in a dock and fair weather short distance sailing (so you can pick your good weather) but give me a monohull. I build a wet / dry sauna into the head and a Jacuzzi onto the cockpit (with jets and mood lighting that runs on fresh or salt water with a fresh shower rinse off and of course, flip a valve to recycle / reheat the water). But hey, that's just me.
My comment echos what others have said- Congrats!! I also would want to make all those changes because I can't find a Cat. with those modifications as original build. A couple of times I even asked some of the major builders if those modifications could be done. They all said it would be too hard or too expensive, so needless to say, I've been very frustrated! I think your boat is a great overall size of a catamaran for a single sailor or couple, with space to spread out or host visitors occasionally. But I agree, the "owner's version" would be a must for living aboard. I will be following closely. Thank you for this and all previous videos! Seafever
Will be fun to watch it all come together. Fun times for sure.
Congratulations. It's a beautiful boat. Amazing price. Now the fun begins.
I love the idea of a big private “master suite” all by itself in the one hull.
Can’t wait to see how it turns out.
I would suggest that you don't rush in a make a bunch of changes. Use it as is for a while and then see what changes are a must do. When you spend a lot on a boat you never get that back.
geoffthefarmer ... l couldn't agree more, sail the boat for a season . You will know what you need to really change. This is your first boat how do you know why what you don't like needs to be changed. Sorry I watch way to many people spending all their time tearing boats apart before they have spent any time sailing it to figure out what's what! Again all these changes you are talking about is at least 1/2 the price of the boat and if you do it your self it will take 2 years if you are not working! 9 months if you pay somebody.
I know it's too late but ask somebody that knows!
Cheers Warren
geoffthefarmer I definitely agree. 160K is already a lot of debt. Why dig yourselves into more debt just because you want things "updated"?
This is not a house. You're not increasing any resale value.
It would be a different story if you had payed cash for the boat and had money to spare for reno. What I'm trying to say is: sail the boat you can afford today. In cash. Cash is the name of the game. You run out of cash and it's game over!
Congratulations on your new boat. I am no expert on the catamaran market, but I would just leave the interior how it is and go sailing, upgrade the sails and systems if needed. Its nice enough as it is!
Richard Swatman Wise words.
We were excited to make this video if only to juxtapose it against our "After" video coming in a few months. :) (Pardon the audio issues, it was windy enough to make the expensive microphone struggle.)
based on the location of the electrical panel and the navigation station, you are living in the wrong hull? Good luck with your exciting adventure.
You did get a heck of a deal on the boat.. I really like Lagoon boats, and I want a Lagoon 44 Powercat.. I wish you two the best.. Peace!!
Congradulations on your Boat. I hope it will bring you all the happiness and fun and adventure possible for 2018. Last month I just bought the plans to build my own boat (37 foot steel hull gaff rigged sailboat) Wish me luck!!!
For an older boat, this vessel has clean lines. It’s kind of like you just bought your first place and you want to make it your own. I can well understand your desire to make it special. Just be sure that either 1. You plan to own it for a long time -5-7 years or 2, be clear on how much of your improvement expenditure you will get back upon resale. Your capital is too precious at your age to be throwing it after upgrades and amenities that the next owner won’t appreciate, much less pay extra for. Your first boat need not be perfect for you - you have time and many more boats in your future. Best to you both!!!!
Love the seating as it is now...looks like quality work, having said that, I’m anxious to see the end results and to see your travelling journey.
Congratulations on the boat. I really like your thought process. Take her on some longer ocean passages before finalizing your reconfiguration plans. There will be things that will bug you that will elevate in priority as you sail her. I'm very interested in the conversion plans for the heads and salon on the 410 and what you aspects you plan to do yourself vs hire out. Given the higher demand and prices for owners versions, I would imagine one would have some room to make a conversion and not be underwater on the resale value, but I'd love to see someone do it successfully and affordably before I put that theory to the test myself. Of course, if you plan to customize this to your needs and wants and keep it for 20 years, who cares about what others think, right? I'll enjoy watching you two progress with your vision.
Nice, I like your plans. I hope you'll video the process as you make the changes to the heads and salon.
i love her smile keep smiling life is short
You have to be the best "explainer" in the youtube cruising comunity. ;D
You guys are awesome! Wishing you all the best, and please keep sharing your adventures and opinions.
lol. Thanks! :)
When i got my boat... i bought expensive scuba gear so I can do my own inspections. I had to use at 2 am in an emergency situation to check the anchor set 40 feet down. Anytime I anchor Ill dive to check the set even though our water is cold!
Regarding the engine noise, I suggest that you run one engine at a time, running two doesn’t give you twice the power anyway, so run the engine under the owners bed during the day and under the guest bed at night, at least when you don’t have a guest on board.
Gorgeous boat! Super excited for the beginning of your adventires! As avid RUclips sailing viewers, we look forward to every episode! Be safe, have fun, and keep the videos rolling! Nice boat! ~ Josh & Jill
Thanks! :)
I like you guys. You seem really cool and down to earth. Can't wait to see the many adventures you go on.
Congrats on the new boat and sticking with your plans/dreams. I am looking forward to watching the conversion process which I am sure will be great. I am very curious to see how it all stacks up and compares to have waited and purchased an owners version with some of the updated features you are shooting for vs. buying this current boat and investing the $ and hours to make the conversion. I have not seen anyone documenting the cost of such conversion other than comments that its not feasible - so prove them wrong and please share invested costs and hours! Best of luck.
I'm so happy you two got a boat I've been watching for a long time and cheering for you. I too hope to own my own boat one day. That said I don't understand why you would buy any boat thats NOT want you want. I mean the changes your talking about are big changes and amount to almost a full remodel. You should have just bought the boat you wanted and been done with it IMO.
Thanks for cheering us on! We got this boat because it was in our price range and owners versions are usually way more expensive. We didn't want to wait years to save up for one. It might take years to get everything we want done but we are for sure working on converting it to an owners version DIY right now which is cheaper than buying a boat thats an owners version. It's also fun to customize it the way we would like! Also we are learning so much about all the functions of the boat.
Congrats you guys. It's a very nice boat for the price. Looking forward the the renovation videos.
Very beautiful boat! I'm really happy to see things going well for you!
Congrats, looking forward to the changes and the rest of the journey 👍
I like all the ideas you have going on and look forward to the conversion you want to do ... awesome boat and great review .... cheers
Congratulations! I'm excited about watching your progress. I love the boat!
Good for you you finally got one
Happy for you guys! Finally! Had been waiting for this day quite some time! All the best! Will keep following progress.
Great ideas for renos. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
Congrats on the boat! Good luck on the reno!
The 410 was one of Lagoons best, built like a tank with decent sailing capability.
Yes, the 410 is a strong boat. I met a French couple that had a 410; their autopilot ran them onto a reef whilst they were dealing with a serious leak caused by a failed skin fitting. The boat was not badly damaged. Top tip: Check the skin fittings are bronze.
Nice boat guys, so excited for you
Congrats, please video all the changes you make as you make them
One suggestion. Think about resale if you take it to a two cabin boat. I can see three but two will make it harder to sell later on. Nice looking boat.
Thanks, yeah, we'll be making it a 3 cabin 2 head. That configuration seems popular and should resell well.
Always have to think of resale because if you think you are done with boats you are nuts.... I have had three each time more expensive then the last :-) finally went to a Land Yacht (motorhome) because I was getting a little older
congratulations on your boat!
You're both beautiful. I love your boat... Hopefully within the next year or so, we hope to be on our 50 foot Carver motorboat. We're following you. Love you videos.
Not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not, but I'm thinking your interior "wind" noise was Jessica's breathing - I've had it happen to me before as I had no idea my breathing was loud enough for the camera to pick up...not 100% sure, but that's my guess. Good looking boat...good luck with your adventure.
beautifull layout galley
Good luck with the big jobs on the boat. As mentioned on previous video, really interested in the conversion to owners hull. Think that going to be more common requirement and event since owners versions going to be sparse on second hand market in next few years due to hurricane damage and charter market recovery plans
beatiful boat! what a deal!
It's been nice seeing y'all set a goal so long ago, and now you FINALLY have a boat! Way to stick with it! Much respect from an internet stranger!
I'm excited to watch this next chapter of boat renovation to see how it turns out. Do you have a timeframe and a budget for the overhaul?
3 months and less than 30k. But, no surprise, the timeframe is more flexible than the money aspect though. lol
I really enjoy your updates, tks
congrats
Awesome! I know ya'll are excited. What is your projected time frame for the "upgrades"? I know some can be done feet wet, what parts will have to be done on the hard? I have enjoyed watching your progress, keep up the positive vibes!
Awesome! This is so freakin exciting! You do have your work cut out for you. It seems like you guys will be doing a lot of things that people dread doing and would rather either just pay for it or stay away from all together. Counting remodeling inside, upgrading some gear, rerouting the rigging, dealing with engines and probably doing a whole lot of other things, what do you think it will cost you (assuming you put in all the work) and how long before you guys will actually start sailing a blue water cruiser? It will be interesting to compare the estimates now to the outcome later. Good luck with your project you guys can totally do it!
Have you considered separating the toilet and the shower? It's much more convenient when they aren't tied up together. People can shower without tying up the toilet and use the toilet without stinking up the shower. Maybe less of an issue if you're married and don't mind sharing at the same time, but guests and future owners might appreciate it.
We considered that for the port/guest side. The downside with keeping them separated is you get far less space to put a sink, mirror and cabinetry.
Hey love your new home 😎✌
Fsir winds and following winds
Are you guys doing all work yourselves? We enjoy watching your journey as we are a year behind you!
As much as we can. There are a few things on our long long list that need specialist equipment that we may have to hire out for. Specifically the metal work for a new hard bimini/davits/solarpanel holder.
wish you two visit my beautiful country, Indonesia.
Seems like a lot of work ahead. When do you plan on completing everything by?
Question for you guys. The money you plan to spend to covert into a owners version 3 cabin 2 head. Wont that be almost the same money as buying an owners version to begin with???
Was that a Costco chicken in the fridge? Great now I want chicken. LOL
Enjoying your channel thank you for the content. Wondering how many engine hours did the boay have when you purchased? Thanks again & Fair winds
Awesome!
You guys have always been analytical in your videos. I wonder if you had an estimate of the cost of remodelling your boat (which seems to me quite extensive) and compared it with the price difference between, say 4 cabin and owner's version?
Really really interested in your bathroom conversions and opening up the owners side from a 4 cabin. This will be fantastic material for your channel. How is the puppy dealing with the boat transition?
You might even consider making some drawings to illustrate the plan? Google Sketchup is a great tool for this.
Are you going to document the changes in a regular vlog? We would love to see the steps as you progress and not just one final after video...please.
Yeah, we're trying to figure out the best way to do that. Was sort of thinking of making a separate channel for all the Fixit things where we get more into the nitty gritty that the average viewer cares to see, and then keep this channel more "fun" and vloggy. And because boats always have something that needs fixing, the other channel could keep going long after the refit.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures great idea!
That's a great idea. You would be surprised to see the number of followers you'll get for the refit. Congratulations on your new boat!
Nice!!!!
jessica slap ryan silly for comparing to an ancor lol
Nice boat and looks in very nice shape. When do you guys plan on starting the reno's and what's the time table for finishing?
Doing the reno stuff now, timetable is hopefully within 3 months. But we've got flexibility with that. If we have to spend more of something, we'd rather it be time than money.
So you are effectively modifying from a charter version to an owners version. I'm guessing it will take a lot longer and cost a lot more than planned to perform this conversion. You should really give it a go first and see what you think before tearing it apart!
Combining the port side heads into a large shower and head is a great idea and standard on other catamaran types, but not Lagoon.
How instrumental was Gary in helping you find this boat, or did you find it yourselves? I noticed Gary was present during the survey.
Gary was very instrumental in finding the boat. We were of course doing our own online "shopping" but Gary found this particular boat right as it hit the market and knew it was what we were looking for. So we moved in on it quick.
Nice boat! It's never a bad thing to have an over-sized anchor...if the windlass can easily handle it. Is a windlass upgrade in the plans?
There was actually a new and uninstalled windlass on the boat when we bought it. Which was quite a score for us. New water heater too on that note. Just sitting in the vberth waiting to be installed.
I may have missed it, where are you doing the work on the boat? Texas? Nice boat BTW.
How tall is Ryan ? Is the 410 pretty tall inside ? I’m 6,5 ish and looking for something tallish inside
What engines, hp and hours does it have? What year is it? I wouldn't have gone any less then 40' looks nice.
yr 2000. two 40 hp yanmars. hours unknown. surveyor guess around 5000. but hard to really tell.
As a follow-up, don't spend 2 years documenting renovations dockside or risk a mini mutiny from your subscribers as happened to MJ Sailing last week after posting yet another "how to" renovation/upgrade video 2 years running. Its always interesting and educational to watch and learn but at some point you have to mix in some sailing or pull up anchor and "GO" or it gets stale! Best of luck. I look forward to watching your progress and your voyages.
Call me crazy, but that’s what I enjoy a lot. Must be others with me.
k mort omg your so right. I laughed when I saw their last vid again more shit!! I u subbed cause I am so so sick of watching that it was ridiculous. I even commented on their channel about it. I think they don't want to sail or have OCD HAHAHAHA
A lot of boat for $160k Watching your conversion to 3 cabin and modified saloon closely.
Not really, unless you mean that it's large. This is a typical worn-out charter boat. Engines and generator will need replacement soon enough, and all other systems are at the end of their life. It will be interesting to see if they really have the where-with all to do all the major interior renovations he describes, as that will be pretty expensive, and they are deep in debt just to acquire the boat. If there are no structural issues, then all of it is doable, just takes the $$ to do it.
I am thinking about $50K to upwards of $100K to do all the things they talked about - even if they are doing much of the labor.
I would hope the engines would be good to go with maybe a rebuild. I know the marine environment is tough, yet if the engine maintenance was performances - I would think they are only halfway through their useful life (maybe not even).
I would think Jessica & Ryan would have had a quality survey and they have a solid foundation to build on. It looks like they have already moved in.
WOWA MR NEGATIVE !!
So far the Cats I have seen have an engine in each sponson. How do you manage with a single propulsion engine?
there are two engine, one under each aft berth. I only showed the one though. But they're identical.
I wan't to buy a 160 000 dollar Lagoon, they're all up around 230 000 or more.. There anymore good deals out there?
SOOOOOO...160,000 and how much will you put into this bad boy to get it where you want? And then how long will you keep it?
Not sure how much we'll spend on it. We're doing a lot of the work ourselves. But there are some big ticket items, things like a new house bank of batteries, solar and solar controllers, and a new hard bimini/enclosure for the cockpit. Cant really spend more than 30k on the refit. Aiming for 20k, but that's probably optimistic. How long is unknown, as long as we like it and can't afford to upgrade to something bigger. Since moneywise, upgrading would be years and years in the future, the limiting factor is really for how long we continue to enjoy the lifestyle.
Spend first money on safety and gear for for the boat. I can think of many things to do before thinking about remodeling the boat. Sails, blocks, rigging, electronics, satellite phone / EPIRB, life raft.. etc... that alone could add to way more than 20k.
you know, I think sometimes spending more to get what you want is more than worth it.
Not sure why you bought this boat since you want to change everything
From the videos it seems this was the best compromise between affordability and desired capabilities.
Agree with you. They want to basically change everything on the boat which will be a lot of time and money and they won't get it back. They would be better of sailing with it as is and looking for one at the same time that is closer to the the configuration and fit out they want.
you've obviously never bought a boat. They ALL need changed unless you have unlimited funds.
Interesting response Chief Kelley. Firstly did you watch the same video? Secondly do you really wish to advise a young couple that have bought a fairly young boat in good condition that changing nearly everything is economically viable? These are not minor alterations. Oh and ever bought a boat, maybe 1 or 2. I just hope they consider cost and time over return and don't burn in the process.
Hello,
I was wondering where/how did you find your boat? Was it through Gary Fretz?
Yes, we used Gary and he found it for us. Really he got a line on it before it hit the market so I don't think the boat was every listed widely like on yachtworld.
Are Jessica's saddle bags a normal part of women hood?
This boats perfect, you'll change it and realise to late.
What year is it?
Hey, its a 2000. Built in 99.
Sorry to sound dismissive. Judging by the way you talk and walk around the boat, I get the strong sense that you are not seasoned wood and boat workers/builders. Don't start ripping out the interieur like this, it will devalue the boat tremendously and it will look a mess. Focus on getting here fully serviced: engine , seacocks, batteries, winches, standing rigging, check every block, rope and chain. I.e start with the important stuff. Lagoons are well designed and clever boats.
Your Instagram link in the video description doesn't work. When I Google @jessicaandryanadventures, I can't find your page either?
thanks, we'll take a look at the links and try to get them sorted.
A great boat. When you are doing the rework on your cabin and as an addition to the other engine compartment. I would put Dynamat to the underside of the beds to quite the engine noise. Here is a link to Summit Racing, but you can find it at other places on the internet. www.summitracing.com/search/brand/dynamat?ibanner=SREPD3
Great, thanks for the link! We'll check it out. Getting noise/heat dampening for under the beds is on our list of things to do.
You're welcome. I love your detailed information videos, please keep them coming.
FYI if you buy dynamat, you are paying for a ton of brand recognition and advertising. There are plenty of competitors on the market that have a comparable product at a fraction of the price. Look on Amazon.
Same Dynamat for half the price on Amazon... www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00020CB2S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
it's called roll roofing and it is 1/10th the price of dyna mat......just be sure to use an additional 3m spray adhesive no matter which way you go
what year is the boat ?!
Its a 2000
Honestly why buy this boat? I like the lagoon but man all that stuff will add up to more than a newer boat with all the stuff already done. Am I wrong?
DO NOT FIX ANYTHING with the layout until you sail it for at least a year. You have no idea what will actually work and what will not. The stuff you do not like you may end up totally appreciating. Just sayin... Wait
How the hell does Ryan fit in that bed?
Small world, I sailed the Abaco in 2016 I took some pictures of Freedom. Whats a good email to send them too ;) cheers 🥂
Hey yeah for sure we'd like to see them. :) jessicaandryanadventures@gmail.com
Okay, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that your $20-$30k refit budget is not gonna go as far as you hope it will. Nor will I advise you to scrap the "wants" & only go for "needs". ☺
Dude you should have purchased a different boat. Wait till you start the refit and the changes$$$$$$$$$$$ big time.
She does not look happy : (
You don't make any sense....why buy a boat that you don't like....for the money you will spend to change it you could have bought the one you want ????