Survey and Seatrial on a Catamaran
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2017
- Here is our survey and seatrial video for the Lagoon 410 that we bought. The idea was to document the process we went through to help give an idea what it can be like for others interested in buying a boat. We're a little behind on our video editing but are just starting to catch up. :)
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On ALL surveys it is best to go with the surveyor and they will point out and explain things to you and answer your questions as you learn about the boat. Every surveyor I ever had welcomes the buyers to go with them. Very important tip!
Congratulations guys. When you are starting out it's fun to have a boat that you can work on yourself. Some work, then some sailing, some more work and then more sailing, it will be fun! Our first cat needed a fair amount of work and we spend every holiday and every weekend on it, enjoying every moment.
Been following for quite some time, haven't commented of late...you guys didn't seem that thrilled in the video....two great days of owning a boat owning a boat, the first day of purchase, and, the day of sale...did a quick search, found two 41's in Houston....
Take your time.....
The Real JoeyB Dallas Fort Worth Texas USA
I sailed across the Pacific Ocean in 2014 on a Lagoon 410 from Panama to Indonesia over 5 months. The 410 is a fantastic boat, congratulations on your purchase. There is plenty of room onboard, she sails consistently fast (5-8 Knots) and is incredibly stable at anchor. That said, there are a few dangerous problems and issues on the 410 you need to be aware of, most of these may have been missed by the survey as they are not obvious and I can attest to them first hand. If you plan to go on long ocean crossings or blue water sailing far from help check the following list. Firstly, the generator in the front right cabin under the mattress needs to be serviced and all the wiring checked. Our generator caught on fire from a wiring fault 500 NM from land midway on the crossing from Galapagos to French Polynesia. That turned into a very very dangerous situation for us, as our desalinator no longer worked for fresh water and we had no AC power to power electronics as our inverter failed as well. Next, be aware that the sail drives are a point of weakness and may have been damaged in the past and need to be checked. This is hard to do as they are enclosed under the boat and it needs to be hauled out. Both our sail drives broke at different times from pieces of drifting rope getting caught up and tangled in the propellors and breaking the gears in the sail drives. Repairs were done in French Polynesia but one of them failed again as there is just not readily available parts in remote areas. It is really tough to get into harbors and Atols without working propellors due to broken sail drives... Lastly and most importantly, there is a hull weakness in the fiberglass just underneath the waterline at the stern. level with the waterline marker on the inside of the two hulls, underneath the stern outside platform (its tough to describe online). Our hull was torn by a big wave and we started taking on water somewhere between Fiji and the Cook Islands. We very nearly lost the boat and our lives as a result. We later beached to the boat and made emergency repairs to the hull with fiberglass we had onboard. Having said all that I would sail on a 410 again, and I still think they are fantastic boats. Just like all boats, there are a couple of things to check and some weak spots. Enjoy the Boat and safe sailing! if you want or need anymore information just message me and I'll be happy to help.
ok. thanks for the info. Our generator is in the locker adjacent to the windlass /chain locker but I hear you on getting the wiring checked out. That's definitely on our todo list. Before we do any "real" cruising we're going to replace our thruhulls as they are original to the boat (17yrs old) when we do we'll make sure to service the sail drives as best we can. With regard to that fiberglass issue, is that a known/documented thing? Just wondering if there is a site out there discussing it and peoples fixes for it.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures
Your generator may be aftermarket which is good, the old stock ones were huge, heavy and prone to wiring problems. I can't find much online about other 410s having fibreglass issues but I can attest to it first hand. When you lay down in the rear beds with you feet pressed against the hull facing inwards you can feel the hull flexing in big waves. That is where it is weakest. Sometimes my feet were flung off the hull in the middle of the night from the impact of waves bouncing off the inside of the hull. That repetitive force can weaken the fiberglass over time. Keep some rolls of fiberglass and resin onboard so you can make repairs and some strong water proof adhesive so you can patch any problems in an emergency. You'll likely never have to use it but it saved our boat. We literally had to plug the tear in the fiberglass with a plastic table mat with Heavey duty adhesive from the outside of the hull, as the water pressure kept pushing away anything we tried to plug to hole with. Later we beached the boat on a beach (which is another great advantage of a Cat) sanded back the problem areas and strengthened the hull. You guys are going to have a ball out there, congrats on an amazing boat
Congratulations on finding a boat, you’re gonna have a blast!
Let the fun begin! Thank you for sharing.
Very interesting. Your doing your due diligence and covering the details.
Very exciting and we are happy for you both. Looks like you found a diamond in the rough. Please make sure you video all your work for us to follow. Your details and analytics in the past have been very helpful to many of us. So happy you chose a catamaran for your future. God Bless, be safe. The holidays 2017 are here and you certainly have a wonderful discovery to work on and sail the 7 seas...
Thanks so much for the support!
I'm so excited for you guys! Cruising is awesome and you guys will have a blast!
This has been a long road for y’all. I stumbled across your channel and have been fascinated by the overwhelming amount of how to information. Well done! Thank you for sharing your journey as it will save us a ton of time and trial n error.
Congrats guys! We have been following you and are so happy to see that you have purchased a boat!
TFTV! I appreciate your efforts to share what you’re up to👍🏽
Congrats on the new boat!!!
Happy for you guys. Have fun am be safe out there. I'd love to have a boat some day too
Congratulations guys! We beat you to it though. We purchased a 38" cat and it's on the hard for refit now. We will splash it in the spring. I've followed you from the beginning and appreciate all the great information. Maybe we'll see you out there someday. Fair winds!
Well praise God y'all found the right boat that meets your needs... I'm so happy for you kids. I'm sure your boat will be a blessing and take you on many adventures on your journey... And thank you for sharing what all y'all had to do to get to this point... My sincere prayer is that God will continue to bless y'all and that y'all will enjoy and love your boat as it helps to give you many months&years of joyful memories together along with awesome adventures.... I'm looking forward to seeing the videos of your journey and adventures that await you... Be blessed... BBE..
What has god got to do with them finding a cat?
Thus begins a whole bunch of adventuring. :)
And we[ve been waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!! These next series of episodes will be full of great info. thanks. That in-fridge cam was the best in-fridge cam I've seen on a sailing channel (JK)!!!.
Congratulations!
Excellent video, excellent information and the best survey video I have ever watched. If this is any indication on how all your future videos will be, you're gonna have one hell of a good sailing channel. GREAT JOB! PEACE OUT!
Well done, thanks for that. I am in Melbourne Australia and love Cats. Cant afford one, but have sailed on a few over the years. My dream.........to own one.
Very excited for you guys, when you do your upgrades looks like you will have a great cat. In regards to the standing rigging don't forget to look at the new carbon options. The prices are lower now and lot's of benefits. Goodonyah.
Love the PBJ!
Congrats!
PS : the survey should also, with a gizmo, analyse any water infiltration in the hull and elsewhere...
It is a must if you want a heads-up on OSMOSIS !
Yeah, he had two gizmos, i actually filmed him using it, or though it did. I was actually following him around pointing the camera but had forgotten to hit the record button. lol. soooo yeah, no footage for that.
Congrats you two, I've been silently following along for months now. Always knew you'ld make it happen. I'm really interested in what "pops up" as "quirks and "aww man"'s? We all know boats have personalities how "HONU's" manners? ;)
Great video you two and congratulations!!! Thank you for your help yesterday assisting us leaving the dock. We made it to Beaufort, SC without much tide to spare! Good luck in your retrofit and repairs and we hope to cross paths in the future! Phil and Michelle and Chica. S/V Mariposa
Great! Good to hear. Looking forward to crossing paths some day. :)
Had a survey done on a 410 and the surveyor did basically nothing with the engines. The owner said the engines were fine. Being familiar with diesel engines myself I decided to bring in a mechanic for a lookover and a compression check. Even though the engines were running they were on their last leg and ready to blow, using a couple quarts of oil a day. Always bring in a certified mechanic to look at the engines.
congrats guy's been a long time coming...hopefully I will be doing the same thing soon...wish you all the best on the mods you are wanting to do :))) chris from perth W.A
Sweet boat!
Congratulations
Wow! First of all, congratulations. Second, thanks so much for sharing your experiences with those that are following in your footsteps. We’d love to hear about the financial aspects/processes. What kind of down payment is expected? What kind of credit scores, debit to income ratio is expected, etc. What finance company are you using? Love love love you guys! Cheers, Ted
Hey SV Airpower, we'll be doing a "financials/loan" video in the next few weeks that should answer all of your questions. Thanks for the support!
Congrats on finding a boat Been watching you guys from the start.
I can't believe you guys are now owners . Well done.... I know you found a great trusting broker he is a straight shooter .
Now the fun begins :)
Best of luck
Awesome! Congratulations! Cannot wait for more videos. Please get into as much details as possible like you did in your other videos. How was shopping after the hurricanes?
We were actually shopping during the hurricanes. We put an offer down on this boat as Irma was in the Caribbean. We got lucky that our boat was out of all the paths, but it was stressful. We didn't want our 1 best option to get destroyed.
Luv the boat guys, nice job you even gave us cameo 1:59 hope to be neighbors again soon see you on the seas...
Yeah, had we known at the time of filming we would've done a lot better job. lol. I'm sure we'll see you guys around some more though. We're looking forward to it. :)
How was your surveyor chosen? Were you represented with a broker? How did you choose your broker (buyer's agent)?
I used to be a prison counselor. Inmates would need a psych. Evaluation before entering my program psyc. Evaluations were 32 pages on the last page in the last paragraph was the summary. I asked the psychiatrist to complete my new forum. It consisted of inmate name age doc number and two boxes of which they needed to check one NUTS or NOT NUTS. SURVEYORS NEED A SIMILAR JUNK OR GOOD BOXES
Good job guys !! Happy for you. Our turn is coming soon. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. 😊👍👌⛵️⚓️🍷🍸🦃🍗
Oh, well good luck when your turn comes up! Happy thanksgiving!
Also important to have an oil sample from each engine and the generator analyzed. I'm surprised they did not have oil samples analyzed. It's not expensive and worth the cost.
I was in love with Lagoons for many years, until I spend a week on a 52 '14. They have a nasty tendency to squeak. Hope yours is squeak free, if not it will drive you nuts.
There are a few squeaks, mostly in the soles. Its definitely on our todo list to fix them but they're not to bad.
Thank you, I'm learning a lot. But I'm not into a cat but a steal world run.
Thank you for sharing the "Survey" process. How does the boat look on the depreciation curve analysis? Your idea of a depreciation curve analysis is great, you get to see just the age of a boat where the resale price just flattens out, and does not go down that much after a certain point.
Yeah, pretty much as long as we maintain the boat, we should be able to sell it for what we got it for. But since we're doing the conversion and some updates we'll probably sell it for more than we bought it for. That said we wont make a profit on it. If we put 40k of improvements into it, we'll probably only get an extra 20k in value out of the boat.
I just found your channel and have been binge watching. Just a question for a newbie and land luber. Why is your helm on the left when all the other boats I've seen have been right side or duel helm?
Thanks and nice job with the videos.
Just found your channel. I'm now subscribed as I'm looking for info too. Great info about survey. Like SV Airpower below I would like some info on what kind of financials are required. Are you planning on living on the boat while docked for a while? What are the costs to have the boat docked in a marina? In Florida?
Riding The USA - if you scroll back through the earlier videos you will find answers to your questions. They've been pretty transparent in terms of financials etc.
Hey ! Yeah we'll be doing a "financials/loan" video in the next few weeks that should answer all of your questions. Costs for docking in Florida in the peak season, which is now, are more than we want to pay lol. We're currently moving the boat to the Carolinas where its cheaper while we refit the boat. Thanks for the subscribing.
Congrats! Will you live on board full time?
nice
and a gourmet meal
Back to the peanut butter. Psst . . ., put the seal you rip off a new jar back in the lid as a gasket. It will keep out the frig orders making it fresher longer and vice versa.
Why this boat? What made Freedom better than the others? How many boats did you look at? After looking at all of those boats, how many were still contenders after having seen them?
Good questions, we're planning on doing a video in the next week or so talking about exactly these things. So thanks for confirming our suspicion that folks would want to know.
Congratulations on your new boat....What year Lagoon is it? Was it a former charter boat? Looking for something like that my what are they going for in that condition?
Thanks. It's a Lagoon 410, year 2000. Yes it was a former charter boat that we plan on converting to an owners version.
Very nice....when are we going to get an inside tour. Don't be embarrassed that it might be a little rough...part of making it your own is repairing cleaning and introducing your own personality in it. May of have bought less than perfect RV's and homes, and did the repairs ourselves. The work under progress makes VERY interesting footage and most likely you will get some professional advice about something you have a question about. Involve your viewers in the transformation...the public loves it and it may end up being a great advantage to you. It's a great way to form consistent viewers, as they love to see the progress...and even the "flubs" we all have made our share of them and it brings a great human element to your channel. You can learn from your public and they can learn from you. I am a new fan and I will stay tuned. Again.....congratulations it will be a lovely Cat.
Hi, kudos, getting closer and closer to your dream. Would love to know what the budget is for the owners conversion. I'm a few years from getting our cat, and am aware many of the boats being made in the next few years will be "charter" versions due to the hurricanes etc Production slots will be limited for owners versions for a few years with the market demand. Possible exceptions with FP but then the price will be high. So I'm likely to have to do a conversion in a few years for liveaboard. Looking at Lagoon 42's in 6-7 years time.
Ok, cool, we'll be sure to document our process. We'll be DIY-ing most of the work, but we'll keep a tab on costs and hours spent.
First off, I'm excited for you two. My wife and I are looking into getting a boat and can't wait to be on the verge of it! A couple of questions though. Have you had a survey done on another boat? Maybe I missed a video. I know it can be expensive to have surveys done so it's probably difficult to know when to get it done. Also, what do you consider "worn down"? The boat looked absolutely gorgeous to me, and it's a 2000, I can't imagine anything is worn down really except maybe a toilet and such?
Hey, this was our first survey, i think grand total we spent about $1.3k on it, not including the rental car, flights, or airbnb. For worn down, its nothing "major", a lot of the varnished wood needs revarnishing, the floor in the saloon needs to be replaced, it has some rotten spots in it where the fridge leaks. Also the hull needs to be buffed out and made shiny again. It's shineyness is kinda patchy looking but that really doesn't show on camera. Also, yeah toilets and sink fixtures are worn out, but that's not too big of a deal to replace.We'll document all of our fixing up to give a better idea on what a 2000 something boat needs done to it.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures now was the 1.3k including the.. 4 survey tests? Initial survey, hauled out survey(with cost of haul out included), engine test and sail test?
+NatersTheGamer those 4 parts were just sub components of the survey/seatrial. All in all there are two bills to pay for the entire survey/seatrial. The first is about 1k (for our boat) to the surveyor. And the second was about $350 paid to the haulout yard.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures hmm I wonder how different the prices would be for the north east, and for a boat such as a trawler vs a catamaran.
By the way the " legalize" you alluded to means that every surveyor on earth cover their asses AND CAN NOT BE SUED
for errors or omissions in their survey .....
Ridiculous but that the state of that strange profession ....
Congratulations! You mentioned "owners conversion" for the starboard hull... would you have any links with more info on that process? Fair winds!
We'll definitely be documenting the process over the next few months but as of right now we don't really have a ton of info or links. When we do we'll be sure to share!
Thanks for the fast reply Ryan. Will look forward to hearing more as you discover it. We have enjoyed improving our boats almost as much as sailing them & wish you all the best in this new adventure. Best advice given to us: "Get as heavy an anchor and tackle as you need to sleep well at night" (200' chain and a Rocna did just that for us). Great time of the year to be in Florida. Fair winds!
How Much?$$.....Looks Good!
Congrats Jessica and Ryan. I’ve heard surveys run about $20/lineal foot. Is it more for a Cat? How long was the sea trial? And no dagger boards on this Lagoon?
Nope, no dagger boards on the 410.
For us it was about $24/ft. And that was just the surveyor's cost. The haul out wast something like $360. All in all not "terrible," but definitely something you don't want to do if you're not serious.
Wait. Do you not have any trolls in your comment section yet? Allow me. "Thoroughly thorough" ;]
You mention your budget, did you ever say what that was previously?
I'm assuming in future video's you'll mention how much you paid and then an estimate of what you want to do and how much it might take (updating insides, striping and paint outside, owners conversion, Washer/Dryer? :) )
Yeah, we're gonna discuss the financials in an upcoming video about what loans we got and how much money we have post purchase to spend on the refit/conversion.
What is the "Owners Conversion" you are planning on doing? Is it converting a forward cabin to storage or will you move the shower & head forward? How much will it cost?
We'll be moving the showers/head forward to where a vberth is now and putting storage in their place. We don't know how much it will cost but will document it along the way. We'll be doing most of it ourselves but we'll keep a running tab on cost and hours.
Awesome! I have heard that moving the head + shower forward is costly/difficult to do well due to plumbing & structural issues so I look forward to see how it goes!
Would love to know which bank you went thru for your financing? (boat shopping myself currently)
Try Essex if you have good credit
We'll be making a video all about financing stuff in the next week or two. Ultimately we did use Essex, but we got denied by them our first time around. They're not the most personable, but they do lend money under the right conditions.
So.....you put a jar of peanut better in the refrigerator? No way! :)
Hey guys, did you have to put only 10% down and did the finance company require another source of collateral besides the boat value like your house? I've always wondered that as I have an excellent credit score and no Debt but I don't own my home and was wondering how the loan works. Are you guys sailing it back to Kemah? Or moving to Florida?
We tried a couple of years ago to get a boat. We were naive and though also becuase our credit was good and had little debt they would be lining up to give us money. Ha! At the time we had been renting our inlaws house for the past 10 yrs so we also had no home as collateral.
We'll be transient with regard to where we live, but we plan on doing our refit work for a couple of months somewhere in the Carolinas where it's cheaper. The financial side is tricky, there is a lot to talk about, but we'll be making a video on that in the next week or two sharing everything that we learned.
Can newbie learn to sail the Catamaran in 1 week? The cost at the dock?
Boy, I know this is a personal question, but could you divulge the price! I want to do what you’re doing! Craig
I'm also interested in that if possible.
It doesn't matter because they might have come across a good deal.. Just figure out what you can afford then go look at boats.. Then buy and sail.. Your only a couple steps away from it..
I've heard that doing voice overs as a smurf pays really well...
Who puts peanut butter in the fridge?
Who puts the camera in the fridge?
Some people who want to protect food from rats and other fun stuff :)
We do, maybe it is a Texas thing because of the heat here.
Lots of people do. We do, but the mow cow butter? That stays out so it's soft and spreadable.
the multi grain bread :) but good ruff-age :)
home ? carpenter ants , termites , i can go on :) . this you know you have upkeep so couch potatoes need not ably
How much did you end up paying?
title of the music at 3:06 ? please
Is this the same vessel “Freedom” that was on the RUclips channel “Sailing into Freedom” that sank a year ago?
Hey, no, different boat. Turns out there are a lot of boats named Freedom out there, part of the reason why we changed the name to Honu.
Fantastic Ryan. I’m glad for you guys. Sorry for my negative nancy comment.
Next is the financing video?
Lol, maybe not next, but definitely in the next 2-3 videos.
How much headroom in the salon?
About 6'5"-6'6" near the door. A little less the further forward you go.
Wait.. did you put peanut butter in the fridge? Lol
Every good surveyor always welcomes you along on the survey so he can explain everything in person and answer any of your questions. The only other things I see is to remember, you will not get one cent more for the improvements you make when you sell her and hummm, my only other advice would be to sell her now or don't buy her and get a monohull IF you really want to sail AND safety is foremost to you. IF you are going to sit in a dock and only day sail on great weather days they hey, go for it. Remember, it's hard to do a radio mayday when your antenna and radio etc are all upside down in the ocean, in 25 foot seas in the dark of night, freezing etc... Think about safety foremost and as beginners, go for the safest thing t learn on... and be on in the ocean. A cork with a nail in the bottom monohull.
What a beautiful girl and boat you got going but it's a shame she doesn't really get much of a chance to talk.
Jesus christ tulas adventure channel looks much different now
Not fond of Cats .. but if I had my druthers (and a swollen bank account); probably a Gunboat . I do like the old Spronks tho.
"Standing rigging is old but in good shape" No it is not, if it is old, replace it.