Why Electroshock Therapy Is Back
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Shocking the brain has come and gone as a medical treatment, but it’s currently resurging, as it often provides the best form of relief for severe depression and advanced Parkinson’s disease.
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Electroshock therapy: the original name for treating severe depression with a series of brief electrical shocks to the brain
Electroconvulsive therapy: the current name for electroshock therapy
Deep brain stimulation: a treatment for advanced Parkinson’s that uses pulsed electrical signals to targeted brain regions
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Script Writer: Peter Reich
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References:
Arlotti M, et al 2016. The adaptive deep brain stimulation challenge. Parkinsonism and Related Disorders 28: 12-17
Benabid AL, S Chabardes, J Mitrofanis, P Polla. 2009. Deep brain stimulation of the subthalamic nucleus for the treatment of Parkinson’s disease. Lancet Neurol. 8:67-81
Leiknes KA, Jarosh-von Schweder L, Høie B. 2012. Contemporary use and practice of electroconvulsive therapy worldwide. Brain and Behavior 2(3):283-344
Pagnin D, et al. 2004. Efficacy of ECT in Depression: A Meta-Analytic Review. J ECT 20:13-20
Sienaert P, K Vansteeland, K Demyttenaere, J Peuskens. 2010. Randomized comparison of ultra-brief bifrontal and unilateral electroconvulsive therapy for major depression: cognitive side-effects. J Affective Disorders 122:60-67
UK ECT Review Group, 2003. Efficacy and safety of electroconvulsive therapy in depressive disorders: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Lancet 361, 799-808.
*slow claps for "charging a head" pun at the end*
Hah. Totally missed that.
a double pun!
and "shockingly brutal"
very smooth indeed!
Also, "growing resistance"
Let us not forget that one of the big reasons it got such a bad reputation is it was often used on patients that were not choosing their own doctors. Kids, wives, wards, etc. People who could say 'no' generally went with other treatments.
One of the main reasons it got a bad reputation was because of hollywood.
yeah nowadays its really safe, i watched it happen to a patient were i worked, literally changed from an unstable, extremely aggressive old man to a guy you could talk to without ever noticing he was like that
Joe thats ECT
Its much lower voltage/amps etc
ECT and electro shock therapy is also slightly different. the old form of electro shock therapy still happens, albeit rarely, and theres video evidence of it being used on autistic people, with out their consent, to such an extreme that there was a court case over it. where as ECT is consented to and far less traumatizing as a result.
+Polo Bear what incident are you guys talkin about? i know a lot about electroshock therapy, saw it happen to multiple patients. electroshock therapy is always done fully sedated and while unconscious, the patient leaves in an wheelchair and can't walk for the rest of the day. if it isn't done in this manner, it isn't electroshock therapy.
something realy dystopian about this happy voice talking about how great electroshock therapy is
Minute Earth, Veritasium and Smarter Every Day uploaded at the same time. My day just got a lot better.
Mr. Dr. Genius wintergatan and engineering explained also uploaded
Mr. Dr. Genius they did
Mr. Dr. Genius, lol same
and It's Okay To Be Smart
and also Strange Parts
You should have gone deeper into the reasons why Electroshock therapy was rallied against, particularly how it was being used on people without their consent, and for reasons other than clinical major depression. You should have also mentioned how it is now used as a last resort treatment for people who don't respond to other therapies after a long period of time, rather than a frontline treatment (which the video implies). The video would have incited less controversy this way.
These are good points, but to be clear we did try to acknowledge these issues, without turning a two minute video into a five minute one.
I think that's part of the problem. You can't (and didn't) adequately cover the problems, risks, etc. in two minutes. If you're not in a position to spend the time to discuss the flaws, harms, abuses, and profound risks, you should leave the topic to someone who can. You've managed to glaze over a LOT of medical harms and abuses and come across as advocating a dangerous last-resort as a legitimate go-to treatment...and hooooo boy, did it bring out the homophobes. Disappointed.
Some fair criticism here
Mae, reminds me of lobotomy i.e. mashing up a bunch of a person's brain.
Many medicine have been in its "wow its magic cure-all"! period. Remember radioactivity? That was insane. I hope there being real research means it may be real and effective usage of shocking.
So you're saying I should lick my power outlet?
The Ace Of Spades Yes.
Yes. DO IT.
I guess Cathy Newman would think the same way!
No, just clean your room.
So you're saying we should organize our societies along the line of the lobsters?
"Ow...how did I break my arm? I thought electroshock therapy just meant I'd get shocked a few times..."
Timothy McLean maybe the shock made them pull their muscles so hard it snapped the bones around them
Kazi Islam
Ahh! That’s pretty scary sounding. Not as scary as depression, though. I don’t have it, but the dementors in Harry Potter were a metaphor for it (it even said they were invisible to muggles, implying in the Harry Potter universe, they are secretly the cause of depression) and the dementors are the scariest f***ing things ever.
I think it's more about how convulsing makes you flail, and if you're smacking your arms and legs around hard enough and hit something hard (like the side of the chair you're sitting in, or the table you're put on), that will definitely cause injury.
Javier FF i think it refers to your muscles snapping your own bones, like that one guy said. Apparently that’s quite common.
Timothy McLean it's because when they went into the seizure
They jarit and Shake so hard and them being tied down it broke their bones because of the pressure
I had E.C.T. therapy over the course of last year for my depression and it has been nothing but beneficial in the last half year of my life. The worst part of the E.C.T is getting sedated, as the Curare analogue they used with me *HURT, REALLY BAD.* It was a burning sensation that you could feel traveling up your arm for about 15 seconds; then you'd wake up and the treatment was over. I had a bit of amnesia and really can't remember much over the course of the treatment, but I'm way happier now.
My dad Never loved me you have permanent brain damage now
I am on a waitlist to get it done for my bipolar. When I had my consultation with the doctor, he said the long-term memory loss side-effects are rare. But as I am doing my research and reading comments, I am having second thoughts. I live in Canada, and our healthcare system is not privatized, so our doctors work differently than American doctors. I heard some doctors in the U.S don't even have proper licenses. And I have read it is the placement of the electrodes on the head that is the most important. Where did you get yours done? How many treatments?
ECT is an incredible treatment. I was suffering from sever treatment resistant depression and social anxiety a number of years ago, it was so bad that I couldn't leave my house most of the time. After getting ECT it was like being back in my 20s. I had motivation, I could focus, I was't sad or angry all the time. I was able to socialize again. I don't have nightmares or paranoia anymore.
Just because we did something the wrong way once, doesn't mean it's inherently bad.
Electroconvulsive therapy. I have had those. Thirteen maybe even fourteen of their sessions. I was deeply psychotic. Catatonic they called my state. I would describe my life then as "a vegetable with a brain". I did have short term memory loss. And still have a lot of trouble with control over my speech and language. Everything you have ever learned just takes twice as much energy now. You are basically remembering and learning how to do things again. Totaly bizarre. The positive thing is that it feels like I'm living my life in a whole new body. Like I have energy to do anything very naturally. Learning to speak and write again sucked and still sucks very much does. But in sports It's like training a whole new body! Can't wait to go skiing this year!
Congratulations on getting yourself back. I’ve heard that being catatonic doesn’t actually feel like being trapped in your own body but it sure looks like it from the outside! I hope you make a full recovery!
I hope your recovery goes well, severe brain damage isn't nice.
I am on a waitlist to get it done for my bipolar. When I had my consultation with the doctor, he said the long-term memory loss side-effects are rare. But as I am doing my research and reading comments, I am having second thoughts. I live in Canada, and our healthcare system is not privatized, so our doctors work differently than American doctors. I heard some doctors in the U.S don't even have proper licenses. And I have read it is the placement of the electrodes on the head that is the most important. Where did you get yours done? How many treatments?
I've struggled with depression for most of my life, and for the past year I have been receiving ECT once a month, and all I have to say is that it has completely turned my life around. It's helped me in a way that no antidepressant or therapy had ever been able to.
I think it may help some such as you. However, I think "how much did your doctor pay you to say that?" That's a joke but still I know that you were left with some side effects. I am glad you are better. I have suffered from Depression my entire life. My mom had it really bad but mine is seemingly worse. I believe mine to be hereditary.
First of all, I really like this channel. But every now and then, I kind of wish we went into a little more depth. Maybe we need TwoMinuteEarth.
I was two minutes thirty seconds - so maybe TwoMinuteEarth would be five minutes long.
A good friend of my dad and myself was given a lot of electroshock therapy and his nerves are kind of ruined to this day. So, i can see why there was some people against it
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Hi. And I have no idea what is related to the video. No comment.
Kenji Gunawan it’s not
Y'all normally put out good stuff, but this video is starkly tone deaf at least. A lot of details got glossed over, from better context on the original pushback of electroshock therapy to the modern situation of Gay Conversion Therapy.
You cannot address everything on a topic by the very nature of the channel. However that means you need to be responsible in what topics you pick so that you can represent them properly, and not veer into misinformation due to being too brief. And this video lacked that nuance.
I suggest looking at the comments perhaps more thoroughly than normal. Take note of how many homophobic "jokes" there are and consider how an LGBT viewer feels seeing this. Take note of the people sharing personal experiences that are decidedly negative. And those expanding the context of the subject.
I'd suggest a followup video addressing these points if you would like to earn trust back from this misstep.
What do you guys use to make your art?
Really nice topic. My dad got an electroshock therapy for his depression. No drugs worked and the doctors last choice was this. I'm really grateful that this one got me my dad back
congratulations on getting your dad back!
I was treated with ECTs and now I can't feel sad or cry at all. I'm not happy but i can't feel sad, lots of memory loss though.
You just had a heavy session of electro-shock therapy, and you're more relaxed that you've been in weeks. All those childhood traumas magically wiped away, along with most of your personality
My grandmother had this and it was back in the 1920's and it fried her brain and she wasn't the same. It messed up her brain so bad that she was very frightened. Fried brains that's really going t0 help a patient making them go out of their minds and sometimes have criminal behavior. I almost had this. Its scary as hell. Most hospitals are.
I have an aunt with a tripyramidal disease or something like that, from the parkisons family, and she has afasia too. She is being recommended right now to start electroshock therapy, so this video gave me hope for her recovery!!
As someone with Epilepsy, I can tell you that after every seizure there is a period of bliss. Also Neuropace implants really work to stop seizures.
I’ve also heard it can help people that have schizophrenia with hallucinations
I can confirm that electroshock therapy works. It took a while but it worked.
My brother with epilepsy has an implant on a nerf close to his neck which every few minutes sends an electrical shock to his brain. He says it tingles, and sometimes his voice goes soft during it. It decreases the amount and severity of his seizures.
I see an Edgy and a Phoenix at 0:25
あかり the girl might even be Athena
Miles X Porcupine head 😍😍😍
I thought that too!
Yep love it
When did Edgeworth ever get into the habit of grabbing a pitchfork and knocking politely on someone's door?
I got a charge out of this video I was shocked what they could do to the brain, I'm glad to see science taking charge.
Wow, MinuteEarth is criminally insane.
My dad has electrical implants for his Parkinson’s. Works amazing
My grand mother had this done back in the late 80s. For over 20 years she had been suffering ptsd from when my dad was 6 months old. He had a fever of 104 so she called 911. The ambulance came and got them in a thunderstorm and on the way to the hospital a car t-boned them as they went through an intersection and the ambulance crashed into a drainage ditch and when it did, my dad and the cart he was strapped to flew forward and he hit his head on a rail in the front of the cab. My grand mother was sitting in the front part of the rear compartment with him, so when he hit his head he was right beside her and his head had been split open and blood was squirting out of the gash and directly into her face. She said she lost her mind at that moment. And when they got to the hospital she wouldn't leave his side and didn't sleep for 3 days. For 25 years after that she was constantly going from doctor to doctor, was put on over 50 medications, locked up in mental hospitals multiple times and nothing helped her. She had ptsd and kept having anxiety attacks, but back then no one knew much about anxiety or how to treat it. It wasn't until she was in a mental hospital that a doctor talked her into trying electroshock therapy. She says "it fixed me". Within a week she says she felt like a whole different person. It's been almost 30 years since she had it done and I honestly can't imagine the grandmother I know being the way I've heard in stories. It doesn't seem possible to me.
I had several treatments and I feel much better and no memory loss
I’ve known many people who have gone through ECT
(I’ve been in the mental health system as s patient for a long long time)
And each one has described it as traumatic or they didn’t have words to
I’ve considered it, in the psyche ward they would have reduced my stay fee by a considerable amount if I let them perform ECT
Never did it, even thou it’s broken I’d like to keep my brain the way it is for now 🧠
Pudding The Cat Seems like the smart choice. I'd also rather not roll the dice with my brain chemistry.
Did you find some relief from your suffering? Or at least learn to cope with it? I hope so...
Usually ECT induces a retrograde Amnesia of 30 minutes to 2 hours prior to the treatment. How could they remember the treatment to be traumatized by it?
well sorta, ive come off of all my medications
by choice of course, I was not well on the 6+ things they had me on
things get worse and better, but to me id rather be like this for now than catatonic on medication.
thank you for your concern, honestly
I mean .. it's optional ...
And.. y'know . If everything else doesn't work... you know that's an option
Its completely perverse that they tried to convince you with reduced fee's. this shit is why nationalized healthcare is important. or atleast heavily regulated.
0:43
"Doctor, my brain is acting weird"
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Loved the small reference to Ace Attorney at 0:24
I'm really glad that this is coming back! As long as it works and helps people!
@numgun I think it is meant to treat clinical depression. Which is when a person is depressed without a cause or reason. Most depression isn't clinical, and can be treated in more natural ways, like talking and working out problems.
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Yeah, whoops. I sent it from my old phone, so it probably messed that up.
unfortunately, mine is clinical and very severe but there's no way that I'd let them put a "small" amount of electricity through my brain. Even though I suffer, I can think, remember ,and speak pretty well. It may work for some but others it does not. Either way, it is Traumatic Brain Injury.
That R+D battery is pure genius, props to whoever thought about it.
The general concept behind the video is interesting, and I also understand it's supposed to be a short video, but I feel like it's still too oversimplified since you could argue that ANY brain disorder is due to "faulty electrical signaling". There is a huge difference between electroconvulsive therapy (using a sledgehammer) and the deep brain stimulation for Parkinson's (targeting a very specific group of neurons), so while it seems like e-stim based therapies could be promising, the video glosses over the fact that the extremely hard part is knowing exactly which parts of the brain to stimulate for each of those conditions listed. Not to mention, there's not much we can do if the disease is due to neurons dying (like in Parkinson's or Alzheimer's) since there is nothing left to stimulate when the disease advances enough.
Note: the video implies that the types of condition electrical therapy can be used are where there's identifiable abnormal electrical signaling in the brain - so it's similar to defibrillation of the heart (which, contrary to popular belief, actually stops the heart, so allowing the heart's own pacemaker to reset and restart).
Note also that the original electrical therapy worked on about two thirds of patients, so didn't on one third. Some of that cohort would likely have had conditions we now know don't involve abnormal electrical signaling, while for others it may only be a contributory factor rather than the sole cause.
I have done electrical convulsive therapy for over a year now. It has saved my life. I took the last drug for depression on the market when it was suggested to me at the time. Since then, the depression has become much more manageable.
My mom has epilepsy after having a stroke. She had a friend who also had epilepsy. Her friend was given an expiremental traetment "guaranteed" to fix her epilepsy. It was a kind of electric shock. She was meant to have about ten shock throughout the day.
They gave her the first shock, and after a huge seizure, she became paralyzed for life. She had severe brain damage too. Im not sure she actually lived.
I am disappointed that MinuteEarth glossed over the risks of ECT. You should have pointed out that ECT should only be used in cases where other treatment options have failed. There are significant risks involved with ECT.
This video feels more like an advertisement that an actual balanced treatment of the risks/benefits of ECT. I will be less inclined to trust your videos in the future.
they literally stated that it could break your fucking bones
What are the significant risks not shown in the video?
A 66% chance of gettin rid of major depression? That’s huge. What about the tremendous amount of side effects of antidepressants? I think you were way too over critical of this video.
imeize I agree the moment the video started I was like “nope not okay”
Captain Planet boo
I would have never realized how helpful this could have been without this video thanks minuteEarth!!! I love learning from your videos
Watching this at 1:30 am in the morning, Aussie time!
this ignores many valid criticisms of what electroshock therapy was at the time, as it was so often done on patients without their consent. as effective as it might have been, it also had serious side effects and risks, and was also administered for conditions untreatable through electroshock.
That seems more a criticism of the therapists than the therapy.
Well, they completely missed one of the most important factors mitigating the risks of ECT: better electronics.
ECT used to be delivered to the brain as a sine wave; this requires a lot of electrical energy in order to induce a seizure.
In recent history ECT switched to using a brief, then ultrabrief DC pulse. This reduces the amount of electrical energy needed to induce the seizure, which in turn reduces the side effects.
With that said, ECT's impact on cognition and memory isn't purely temporary. The more times you are exposed to treatment, the more likely you are to have memory loss and permanent cognitive deficits. Bear in mind that a standard course of treatment is something like 9 to 12 sessions, and you could need to repeat a course as often as every six months. That's a lot of risk.
DBS also has plenty of problems as well, but that's a whole other story.
My aunt is suffering with dementia from her 20's because of an electroshock therapy that she took for suposedly psychologycal issues that she had so i dont have the best impresions of this type of therapy but if it has helped people and it's showing improvement im gona keep an open mind about it i don't know maybe
The fact that psychiatric has historically used torture and mutilation as "treatment" again and again - hydrotherapy, lobotomy (for which they gave the inventor a Nobel Prize,) "attack therapy," and a catalog of other horrors too numerous to name has earned them distrust. Everyone has to choose their own path, but I'd be very careful in trusting a profession that in living memory thought that slashing an icepick through your forebrain to make you less troublesome was acceptable "treatment."
Yes but once you've found the right icepick that makes everything alright, wouldn't you use it?
I think this is the earliest I’ve ever been to a video
0:24 Those hairstyles HAVE to be from Ace Attorney
Um...okay I see your point, but this should only be used on the small percentage that suffer from hereditary mental illness that cause depression. This should not be used by people's whose depression is caused by abuse, neglect, and other things that have been caused onto them by other people. The majority of people who suffer from depression can get help by talking to someone they trust and professionals of their abuses, not by this temporary shock that will cause long term damage.
We at MinuteEarth are not medical professionals, so don't recommend treatments one way or the other. The video is about people who suffer severe depression or Advanced Parkinson's so we did already try to acknowledge that these treatments are not for all cases of depression or Parkinson's; and we tried to accurately report the scientific evidence about the effectiveness of these treatments compared to psychotherapy and drug treatments.
Ivan Smirnov In the video they mean the actual mental disorder, not just being sad.
When I stayed at a mental hospital last summer, I talked to a few people who underwent ECT. They were always older people who have had major depression for decades. They were people who had seriously weighed the costs and benefits and choose to get a 6 months vacation away from their constant depression at the cost of permanent side-effects on their brain functioning.
Ivan Smirnov I didn't misuse the word depression. Are you implying that people who have been raped, abused by their parents for years, or mentally abused don't technically have depression? You imply that depression is only hereditary or genetic.
prophetchannel I think people should use electrotherapy when it is the last option and they've tried everything else. I just don't like the fact that this video sort of paints this as a way to go as the first option or it's something easy to do. Even if electrotherapy in the future is side-effect free, it's only temporary and you don't actually talk about your issues. Electrotherapy is geared more towards people with genetic and physical mental illness like schizophrenia and Parkinson's, and should not be the first choice for someone whose been abused and can be helped by just seeing a therapist.
Maybe they lied and said they were better to stop the painful treatment sessions
An interesting alternative to this that's started to be used in the last 10 years is TMS, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. It uses magnetic fields to induce electrical fields in the brain instead of directly applying it, so no pain and waaay fewer seizures!
Funny... today I presented a PowerPoint on Bipolar Disorder today, and this video was posted today.
that was an -electrifying- realization
Hm. I have a question. I recently leant about Parkinson's disease and as far as I know, the Substantia Nigra is affected, so that the messenger substance dopamin doesn't reach its destination anymore. How is this related to "misfiring"?
Really sad to see such a dangerous, emotion-heavy topic with links of past torture being discussed here as something trivial and quite positive.
ECT WORKS:
You may not be yourself at the end of the treatment, but at least you won't have to confront the crippling thoughts that lead you to the point of destruction to begin with.
This is an important topic, and something which the scientific community and society as a whole needs to discuss. It's important to weigh the pros and cons here, but I'm glad you focused on the potential for good despite the troublesome past of electroshock therapy. I think the next step is to learn more about how a powerful jolt of electricity might negatively impact the brain before we resuscitate electroconvulsive therapy.
In the medical period, doctors used to prescribe *electric eel* therapy for headache, gout and prolapsed anus. Now it's back again! Thanks MinuteEarth 🌏
Before I had ECT, they told me there would be "short term" memory loss. They did NOT tell me that there would also be a great deal of PERMANENT memory loss, and that the effects of the ECT sessions would fade in a matter of weeks. No antidepressant drug has ever had any effect whatsoever (good or bad), and although ECT definitely did, it's not something I can ever do again.
I've been subscribed to this channel and recommending it to my friends for years. You're really smart and talented folks! So I'm guessing you've noticed by now that your treatment of this subject was both inappropriate and hurtful. To avoid this in the future, I'd like to suggest that when you cover topics with these kinds of painful histories, you should consult with people who actually endured these procedures. I think you would have ended up with a different video -- and a different response.
There is also a newer, related therapy called "trans-magnetic resonance." Instead of sending electrical impulses to the brain, a gigantic magnet is applied for hour-long sessions.
I wholeheartedly disagree. When so much current passes through your neurons, it damages them. Usually it causes axon damage and neurons can't communicate with each other. In other words it's just modern day lobotomy.
Yes it does work, for changing the patient's behavior, but it doesn't solve the problem. It's like having chronic finger pain which causes you to accidentally drop items you are carrying, and the treatment to this condition being, arm amputation. After the procedure you'll stop dropping items, but at the cost of your arm.
This video made me angry for portraying electroshock therapy as a fix, it's not a fix, electroshock therapy is crippling and causes irreversible brain damage.
This video was shocking
I will leave now sorry
Don't leave!! I like these comments.😀
That's Amp-mazing
Zebra Cross Electroshocktherapy os reVOLTing isn't it?
Ohm my god
Woop, there it is!
Yeah.. it sounds like the most beautiful experience you can have...
My dads doing this for his depression
How is he now ?
After the shock:
Heck! I am never getting depressed ever again!!!!
It’s amazing that this works better now 🙌🏼, my grandma had it back in the 60s and apparently it was a proper ordeal back then.
Your pun game is out of this world.
*hears pun at end of video*
This has nothing to do with anything in this video but my little sister just did the cutest thing. So she has this miniature toy kitchen and she was "cooking" (this is what she called it) "candy mush, mush" (she basically just pot skittles and chocolate dots on a tiny plate) but the cute thing is that I'm a vegetarian so dad always makes special food for me, and so she made special candy mush, mush for me.
Don't think I wouldn't catch that Ace Attorney reference. :)
Viktor Rucký I already thought "Well that one stick figure has some seriously pointy hair going on" and your comment explained everything! :D
Objection!
I think Miles next to him is even more recognizable
The charging ahead pun was great though
My professor was telling us about her friend that was one of the successful cases of the electrotherapy earlier today, very interesting
Mike Pence approves.
maddin95k1 :'(
Why so sad he was just trying to help.
lol
I was waiting for this meme to show up
I don't get it :(
I was going to have to get electroshock therapy when I was 11 when I had anorexia and depression. Glad I didn't get it!!
It's back baby!!
Kate's intro taughts me with curiosity ever since the video on hyenas. I know you've done a lot of work with hyenas and I'm sure many of us would love to hear more about it.
Remember that one guy who said that history repeats itself and everyone laughed? Well that guy is right.
This was uploaded 4 years ago?! And i never foud it?! How!
A or D Current stimulation therapy seems very interesting.
This is like all forms of seizures - lack of science in actual mechanisms. The lack of new drug development also has some impact on choice of treatments
1:45 Pun DEFINITLY intended.
Just in reading some of these comments from people who have been around people who have experienced it, this does not sound like a good idea at all. One of these people said everyone who they know has got it has only left with a traumatic experience, this same person also said they’d lower her staying fees if she allowed it to happen. That sounds like they want to use her as a test subject. The medical risk of having your IQ drop is not normal, is there any research on whether these people are actually getting better or if the effects are long term, because currently it seems to be you might get better but you might also lose a lot of your brain function
I still wonder how people can be traumatized by something which they should not remember. Usually ECT induces temporary retrograde Amnesia, so you won't remember the treatment and the one to two hours before that.
Research suggests no severe side effects, but the best thing is to just look up some studies or meta-analysises yourself (try for example Google Scholar or PubMed and type "electro-convulsive"
Well, I have no idea if this is better, but it only has to be better than "living with depression" or "taking pills, that are mostly placebos with terrible side effects". You can rarely find anything in medicine without some horrible anecdotes attached to it and psychiatry is one of the worst fields, because we have so little information on how the brain works.
Those same comments also say they “came off their meds by ‘choice’” so I would not take their words at face value, they are likely still experiencing psychoses.
ECT works by inducing a generalized tonic-clonic seizure, which is the same kind experienced by epileptics and has the same lack of adverse long term side effects. The claimed IQ loss is complicated by the cognitive effects of the severe mental illnesses the patients receiving ECT suffer from-catatonic depression and catatonic schizophrenia. In these states, the patient is completely mute and paralyzed and while they may follow people around the room with their eyes and may obey simple commands, they are completely dependent on staff and will die of exhaustion, thirst and starvation if left alone. This is why they receive ECT; it is the only known treatment that can break them out of their catatonic state. They will of course score lower on cognitive tests due to brain fog and lack of effort.
ECT is administered under general anesthesia (patient is completely unconscious) and I stress again, ECT is only indicated for catatonia, it is a treatment of last resort and the only thing that will reboot the patient out of being a living statue. The memory loss is limited to a few hours leading to and including the ECT treatment.
Anecdotally my psych supervisors have administered dozens of ECT treatments to the same patient with no lasting side effects.
petrzalkai thanks for sharing
Every time I hear electroshock therapy I can’t help but think of the end of Requiem for a Dream...
I use to think psychological science research are mostly unethical and shouldn't be practiced, but after awhile my empathy died. Now I reflect and see that perhaps having this procedure further researched we can save more patients in the future without risks of damaging their brain cells or whatsoever.
Now I kinda understand my lecturer that debated with me why having unethical researches are not as bad as we'd think.
I just realized that you do puns at the end of every episode without me ever getting bothered by it.
Rainbow....Sunflower.... 3 to the left 4 to the right.... 450
ECT is repeated electrical injury plus grand mal seizures. Go to ectjustice.com for research information.
1:35 The painting reminds me of an episode from Shaun the Sheep
I’m soon to graduate from highschool, but don’t know what to study in college ...
grab you uni professor by the pushy, I swear she won't tell about it
I don't really understand. Depression is a neuroliogic desease ? Doesn't curing it involve trying to listen to the patient, helping him to identify his inner demons, fight it,....and all ? I understand electro-simulation treatments in case of physical brain damage induced deseases, but for depression...?
An interesting as always, good job!
I had shock therapy about a year ago
How did it go? And how are you doing now?
Oh wait, this isn't SciShow Psych?
Feynstein 100 How can you confuse minute earth with that cheaply made show
+thachum rigam Lmao why do you hate SciShow Psych so much?
Feynstein 100 because its psychology.... A trying hard wannabe science discipline
Feynstein 100 Psychology is pseudo-science.
Then your definition of pseudo-science is just pointless. Psychology can be done scientifically - or not. Science is not magic. It's basically just using methods because that produce knowledge maximized for precision, reliability, universality - etc.
Modern psychology does that (eventhough I smell some decline in discipline in the last 5 years), just not with that many great results so far. Which real psychologists will tell you all the time. It's known that intelligence makes you much more likely to be good at stuff. And that man go to jail more often. And I think that's it in the "we tested this as much as possible" department.
Oh well, you're probably just trying to be edgy, I have to go to bed now.
Awesome, next do a video singing the praises of the science of chiropracty.
So it's like a defibrillator for the brain?
I have crippling depression. I should get a thunder to electroshock me.
Come to New Mexico. There are several lightning strikes here. Lightning does the work as to where thunder makes a lot of noise.
You may not be yourself st the end of the treatment, but at least you won't have to confront the crippling thoughts that lead you to the point of destruction to begin with.
My mum was given this "therapy" for depression, she came out of it with suicidality and lost about 10 years of memory. She attempted suicide last year and died a week later. Try telling me the ECT is a good thing, when it has lead to the deaths of so many people. Individualised treatment and a helping support network from friends, family and the health professionals is what actually works. And the "positive effects" or ECT don't last and you need to have regular "top ups".
My mom transports “patients” and one of them is a 9 year old boy. His parents don’t like him for some reason (they probably didn’t raise him well) and they keep sending him to electro shock therapy. He literally begs my mom not to take him there and panics like crazy. I don’t think this procedure is all it’s made out to be…
Very informative video, do a video about how also cold showers are back like doctors used to treat mentally ill patients before 100 years!
My buddy is braindamaged from this 'therapy' he walks sideways today like a crab.
ECT is a cheap replacement for sessions with a psychologist
I CANNOT believe that anybody in their right mind would advocate for sending electric current through the brain - with unforeseeable consequences