How Norway KILLED the Petrol Car
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Jack heads to the EV capital of the world to find out about Norway's electric car culture. With over 80% of new cars sold being pure EVs, Norway is miles ahead of the rest of the world as far as EV uptake goes. So how has this been achieved? What can the rest of us learn from what is being done right in Norway? And where do the '80s synth band A-Ha! fit into all of this??
00:00 The EV capital of the world
1:43 Meet Paxster, pride of Norway!
2:46 The car that started it all
3:46 EVs in Norway: the numbers
5:01 A surprise in a creepy cave...
7:36 How to fix home charging
9:36 The A-Ha! story
12:12 Nio and the Chinese invasion
13:00 Government legislation done right!
14:55 It's not just about cars...
15:32 And it's not just about transport!
16:48 What hurdles remain?
18:29 What have we learned?
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There's a certain irony to Europe's second largest oil producer being it's leader in EVification.
I always think that, it does make me smile!
The oil money subsidize a lot of this. I really wish this program spent more time on that. Sell the oil to other polluters around the world, but make sure that your country is clean. Then have the nerve to ask why other countries are not doing the same.
@@pungkuss We need oil for many things, transport could have been changed though just like Norway did, but our other countries politicians are too addicted to the kickbacks and bribes and their corruption to do what is best and possible. Norway was SMART. We will still need oil, but we won't need it for transportation, construction or heating and cooling. Taking Norway as a model would have done a lot of good for the world but not for oil producers who would have seen less money in their coffers while we choke on the emissions of their friends the auto industry and heavy industry who just want to stay the same.
Its not irony but hypocrisy
The less you use the more you have to sell
Norway really took "don't get high off your own supply" to a new level, green powergrid, green car, filthy black wallet.
Made me laugh. :) Although we have produced hydroelectricity for a lot longer than we have produced oil. But your commet is true enough.
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double the profit by getting new green tech which soon will be forced as the new normal around the world.
The only reason we can afford this is because of the oil :P we dump our cars to eastern europe or africa so we can look green and clean. Im not proud of being Norwegian.
Used to get high on own hydroelectricity, but today only north gets high because south grid is connected to export
Meanwhile, in Australia, we are ecstatic that the number of EVs have gone from 1% of sales to 2% of sales
Well, at least you have stopped electing climate change deniers as your PM, so there's that.
It is a 100% rise tho
profit
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@@theowink Lol true
"How Norway KILLED the Petrol Car" By taxing it insanely high and instead giving EVs tax exemptions. In almost all other nations in the world with similar policies, those will need to be stopped at some point because if there's only EVs left on the road, no taxes are coming in to build or fix roads, because that's what car taxes are for. How does Norway solve that issue? By being one of the leading oil countries in the world. So they're taking in a ton of money from oil and gas and subsidize their own EV policies with that. Almost no other nation in the world would be able to mimic the Norwegian model.
The middle east could implement a similar policy of taking gas money and subsiding EVs. But, they wouldn't.
@@Oliver2000 They totally could, but why should they if it’s not in popular interest
@@Jutsch80HD I mean, why would they even if it was the popular opinion. You’re talking about totalitarian countries with the few on the lead.
@@Oliver2000 They subsidize their gasoline and diesel. Look up pump prices there and compare it to pump prices in Norway. They keep their population happy. Another major difference is Norwegian govt and its major oil companies are wealthy. But millions of people are rich in the middle east due to extended royal family allowances and assets. I am not talking about that middle east ruined by US and EU wars.
Sweden does. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same system but new petrol cars gets huge tax. If you buy EV, the state gives you 70 000 SEK. The system is meant to finance itself.
I also believe with the a-ha story that when they initially attempted to register their Fiat Panda EV in Norway there was no category it fell under as it didn’t have a Petrol, Diesel or LPG engine. The electric motor was completely unrecognised as a method of propulsion in the car registration laws at the time. It did however have a butane powered heater to keep them warm during winter, therefore it qualified as a caravan or camper home. A caravan does not pay tolls on roads, a car does, and in the eyes of the law what they were driving was not a car. Because the Norwegian Government refused to classify it as a car, they refused to pay the road tolls for cars as it technically wasn’t a car. So it did have a twisted logic to it and it captured the public’s imagination.
Uhm... not sure I believe this (unless it was before the 90's) because I know for a fact that a friend of mines father drove a legally registered EV in Norway in 2002...
@@KrMaHo wrong! Your friends a liar 🤥
@@KrMaHo it is was in the 1980s. I’m just going on some articles I’ve read about this car, so it could be embellishments that have been added over the years and you could well be a correct.
Published on Norway’s constitutional day! Well played!
Happy birthday Norway! 🇳🇴🥳
Totalitarian states like Norway have a Constitution? Why bother?
Big shame to be a norwegian
Why?
Største korrupsjonen som finnes er satanstaten as Norge
Bedriver for mye galskap dere sauer ikke får med dere
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One thing he didn’t mentioned is that electricity is extremely expensive right now in Norway 🇳🇴 and that Norway 🇳🇴 did the same thing with diesel vehicles at first then took all of the incentives away. So give it a few years and it will be just as or more expensive to own. On a side note Oslo is trying to ban personal vehicles in the city, as they feel you don’t need a car to get around the city, which is actually quite true. You can get every where quicker via public transportation than driving.
"Electricity is extremely expensive right now in Norway"...
Right, you say that, but you fail to differentiate between the five regions that are Northern-Norway, Middle-Norway, Eastern-Norway, Western-Norway and Southern-Norway.
As of right now as this comment is written, the electrical prices are: 1,02 øre/kWh-NN, 96,76 øre/kWh-MN, 394,64 øre/kWh-EN, 337,18 øre/kWh-WN and 550,52 øre/kWh-SN.
@JetScandinavia Airlines Still, can't say it applies to all when basing it upon a tiny part.
@@xtratic even at 5.5NOK/kWh this is relatively cheap to other places and especially if compared to the 612k NOK/yr average salary.
@@basedw Maybe 612k NOK/yr is the average, but it doesn't mean everyone has the same capability to pay both rent and electricity bill.
Last winter alot of people had to turn off the electricity in their homes in order to be somewhat able to pay for both.
You don't *need* much beside oxygen, water and some kalories. Banning personal transportation is an infringement on one's individual rights. FUCK THAT!
If I remember correctly, all the electricity Norway uses comes from hydroelectric power plants, which more or less means that they have all the electricity they need cheap, green, renewable and on demand. That is the good side of living in a artist country with lots of glaciers and mountains. Replicating their success story in the rest of Europe is a totally different challenge
well not cheap REALLY expensive
atleast in the winter
@@norwegian9573 might be expensive but norway is rich
@@SimplyHero Norway as a country might be "rich" but that dont mean Norwegian's are
@@frog5756ismyname I have no doubt about that. In Italy we say that statistics is the science that proofs that if I eat two chickens and you eat none we have both eaten one chicken and therefore you can't complain. That said, compared to average salaries I think electricity is cheaper for you than it is for us. I have been to Norway and absolutely loved it, but vacationing over there is now too expensive for me.
"It's all about the policy makers." Absolutely. This is a great example of what good can be had when your politicians aren't partially beholden to oil barons and the gasoline burning vehicle industry that props them up. Yep, I'm in the US. Cheers to Morten Harket, too.
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Not just the USA most countries in Europe.
Norway on the surface: A bastion of Climate Action.
Economic Reality: oil / gas producer who restricts their supply to increase profits, because they know once oil is gone, it's gone and they face economic uncertainty or instability.
That the more green energy is in the world energy network, the more irrelevant their only profitable commodity is.
Britain has been crushed by a sharp increase in gas prices lately, and they could've helped us with that.
We will remember this.
Well the taxes on combustion engine cars are absolutely insane in Norway. Most combustion cars cost 2-3 times what it cost in the US. Just the "horsepower tax" is over $100 per HP. So a sportscar with a 500 hp engine it is more than $50 000 in just hp taxes. And then you add the 25% VAT, the "luxury tax", the emissions taxes, and so on. And then it's no wonder why people buy EV's when they dont have to pay all of those taxes. Just to give you an example a normal Tesla model S would be over $100 000 more expensive if you would have to pay all of the taxes a normal petrol car with the same specs would have to pay. And these insane taxes on petrol cars have always been that high. So when EV's was starting to get viable for normal use people was flocking to them to avoid all of the taxes of normal petrol cars.
Such EV friendly policies would never have be possible, without near limitless state funds owing to the sale of oil and gas. Most of the Gulf states or Monaco, would not have any issues in going electric even faster than Norway. If my government was voulunteering to subsidize my car purchases with 20000 € instead of the measly 2000 €. I would definately go for an EV too. Too bad the Finnish state is both poor and cheap. At least compared to Norway.
ICE cars were, and still are very highly taxed. This means that EVs weren`t just similarly priced, but a lot cheaper. A first gen model S performance was cheaper than an Audi A6 with a 160hp diesel engine. Combine that with free toll roads, cheap electricity and people were suddenly willing to put up with charging times and dodgy relisbility. People were even willing to buy dreadful cars like the i-miev.
Wow that should've been included in the video!
All taxes on internal combustion engines should be terminated. All EV subsidies should be terminated. A level playing field should be established. If EVs are still attractive without subsidies, people will buy them. I'm guessing that without the subsidies, few EVs will actually be sold.
100% this. I was in Norway for xmas and New Years. And boy where the complaining about electricity prices having gone up.
And since then, the current government has proposed to take away many of the incentives. Even removing the break in VAT on the more expensive evs.
Should be interesting to see what happens when they are on a bit more even competitive ground.
Being Norway, my guess is they will lift breaks on EVs, then just add more taxes on non EVs..
@@anderspedersen6750
Given that the ban of new non-zero-emission cars are about to go in effect in a few years, this will just solve itself.
@@TheUnitedWeStand1776 The drawbacks are never included in any pro EV adverts.
The one subject that was not mentioned was the fact that almost 100% of Norway's electricity is produced by Hydro power and they had a surfeit of it prior to the EV boom! They have the network to install as many charging points as they need. But the really big difference is the government of Norway only do what is beneficial to the people and put them first in all decisions. Just look at how they reacted when they got all the oil revenue, they started a wealth fund for the people and now they are the richest county on the planet in terms of wealth per capita!
Now, the Goverment in Norway works hard to kill the sales of EV's from 2023. EV Toll road fee rises 40 % (from 50 % to 70 % of fossil cars), tax based on the weight of the EV, full registration fee as petrol cars, public parking chargers ridiculous expensive (running on petrol is cheaper) and electricity taxes pr km driven, aprox 3 € pr 100 km (3 cent pr 6,25 miles).
One unique thing in Norway is we already had very high taxes on cars that go back many decades. That made subsidizing electric vehicles much easier since just removing them alone almost halved the price. There are no complicated tax credits like other countries have. When the Model S and Leaf arrived they were priced like competing petrol/diesel cars and immediately became popular.
Very true! Even so, I feel Norway serves as important proof that this model - drastically increasing tax on ICEs relative to their emissions and cutting it on EVs - works. It's up to individual governments to figure out how to fund that tax break - God knows ours in the UK are wasting plenty of cash on other stuff.
Presumably something to Don with geothermal energy in abundance.
So - pricing EVs competitively with petrol and diesel cars made them attractive, and so people bought them?!
Stunning ........
I'd literally NEVER have believed it.......!
Whereas here, the petrol car I own and love which is £20K new(£12K @16 months/low mileage) has an approximate EV equivalent at around £30-35K(used price ABOUT THE SAME!)
As I do
Yeah they used the money from their oil industry to subvention those EVs, and also Norway has massive hydroelectricity and wind energy potential compared to other countries, the population is also not that big compared to other countries.
@@andymccabe6712 It was expected BEV's would achieve price parity around 2025-26, though this likely is pushed back a bit with the current supply issues, covid, ...
Thank you for sharing. Well made documentary. I'm a Norwegian myself living abroad. This documentary doesn't really show the whole carbon footprint of Norway as a country, as mentioned before. A big part of the wealth made in Norway Comes from petrol. In 2012 I bought a new KIA Sportage in Norway. It was a great car. When I received the invoice, it was a bit provocative. Car price 12.000€, Tax 12.000€ (100%), Then those amounts added together, and taxes with 25%, so the total price for the car was around 26.000€, only €12.000 was paid to the car dealer. The rest is pure taxes. So what is happening now is that a luxury EV car is not taxed at all. This explains why there are 83% EV sale in Norway. People with a tight budget can't afford a new EV car. So they have to purchase a second hand petrol car. All my friends who works in the petrol oil business earning big money drives luxury EV car's. The country is not getting any cleaner. And the oil industry is still a big part of Norway. Sorry, but it's all double standard. And electricity prices is also getting higher in Norway, because of new cables to UK, and NL, which pais more than the Norwegian market. So soon, also dirty electricity. Well, EV is for the people who can afford to purchase an new car.
@@skimt7818 You do know that up north electricity is imported from Sweden, and is one of the reasons it's cheaper? And also, there's no power line's connecting north and south of Norway?
Try check some facts before having a childish rant.
Then there's all the other benefits in the south that you won't find up north. The biggest one: Infrastructure!
Cry me a river, build a bridge and get the f^^k over it!
Thank you for sharing…I live in NE US and will NOT get sucked into the 'green' movement! I listened to two fabulous people…Alex Epstein and Bjorn Lomborg….Alex's book Fossil Future is an amazing read. Both men have videos on You Tube…lots of false information making a few a ton of $$$
You know how very easy because its a smallest country with a very low population most of them wealthy people with lots of money even if they don't dress like it or do not have a mega-yacht there is plenty of them there just normal people but with lots of cash🤣😂lets just say it will never work in USA or GB or elsewhere maybe in 1000 years lol
@@ED209no Eh? The powergrid runs from Lindesnes to Kirkenes. And the person you commented to didn't write anything wrong.
@@zeblanmaidaynovich796 Or course it could work. Its just that the US and the UK choses to not prioritize it.
A big part of the individual's motivation to go electric is that even with high electricity prices, it's cheaper than buying gasoline or diesel
The car isn't though and the last I saw it is a decade before you break even on the initial outlay. I doubt if the batteries will last that long also and that could be be a big future cost. I would love an electric car but it is just not economically feasible especially as I do very little mileage.
not when the upfront cost is 60k on average, plus 20k for a new battery every 2 years when it eventually breaks and no longer is under warrenty. i bought a 500 dollar gas car from 1984 as my first car in 2016 still runs perfectly fine, only issue i had was needing new headlights and a radiator which only costed me 150 dollars total
@@deathi Do you really drive more than 300k miles every 2 years? Tesla has even 8 years warranty. After 100k miles it hits around 70% capacity. They last around 300k to 500k miles.
@@deathi once EVs are abundant for long enough there’ll be plenty of used/old vehicles which will be cheaper. And that growing market will make repairs for them cheaper too
@@alexsiemers7898 Yeah except that many companies (looking at you tesla) make it incredibly difficult to do anything to their vehicles which makes repairing them incredibly difficult even if there are plenty of parts around.
Oslo is a bit of a special case even for Norway. The "Green Party" (MDG) is part of the ruling coalition, and setting al lot of the premises for private transport. They really are against cars of all forms, and only tolerate EV's. I moved out of the city to the suburbs 15 years ago. Driving and parking in the city has become much more difficult and expensive since they came to power. Recently they started charging for all parking. Even street parking in residential areas on the outer edges of the city. This was free just a few years ago.
Recently traded in my old Corolla for a 2015 Leaf. It is perfect for my commute to work in Oslo, Battery still at 100% and only looses about 10% range in the winter. Have a diesel for longer trips and heavy hauls.
Norway has some unique points which make rollout of EV work:
1. abundance of cheap and sustainable hydroelectric power, so building a charging network doesn't involve (foreign) fossil fuel
2. rich population with high wages, very ironically through sales of fossil fuel, so they have money to buy EVs
3. ICE cars and petrol have always been taxed heavily, lifting tax on EVs made them relatively cheap to buy and use
All these are not or much less applicable in other European countries
You can buy a used leaf for about 5k$, what are you talking about "expensive EVs"?
@@pashko90 not in the country where I live. The cheapest Leaf I've found for sale was an 11 year old car at €8k and according to the seller the range is limited to 50km because the battery is broken. Below 5k you can find a Think! City without registration papers and sold as scrap. Cheapest Renault Zoe is at €9k, is 9 years old, limited range without quick charging and comes without battery included in the price, you have to lease it (this was a plan by Renault to keep purchase price low). So you might send one of those $5k Leafs here, there is a market for them!
@@volvo480 They goes pretty good to Ukraine.
@@pashko90 yeah, right. Have a nice day sir.
@@pashko90 A 5k used leaf is also ready for recycling. By that standard you can get a free ICE car at any scrapyard.
Here in The Netherlands we finally reached the point that more (52%) electric scooters were sold than ICE versions last month. But that's the only positive thing here. EV's are way too expensive. You cannot buy an EV for less than €35.000. Compare that to an ICE car which start at €12.000. But these scooters prove that people are willing to go electric!
In the Netherlands you shouldn’t be doing anything other than cycling and using the fantastic public transport. In 99% of cases anyway.
People are willing to go electric for sure. The reduction in noise, not having to pay way too much to fill up your tank and evs being fun to drive with the instant acceleration not to mention all the parts that aren't there anymore and don't have to be swapped.
The ICE car should be taxed 150%, then ev’s will be capable to compete…
€35.000 is a bit exaggerated. I bought an electric Opel Corsa last year. It cost around 30.000, or 28.000 when you include the subsidy. That is still 10.000 more than the petrol version, but then you should also take into account that you don't pay any road tax, the fuel cost is lower, and the maintenance cost ought to be lower as well. Oh, and the price that you get when you trade in the car after a few years should be higher as well.
You're exaggerating, generally there is around 8-10k between the electric and petrol versions. The cheapest EV in the Netherlands is 20k btw, but that is a clear budget car (the Dacia spring), which in petrol version is likely somewhere around 10-12k.
Norway's leadership makes living in the city much more attractive than here in the US. I have traveled through the west coast and now in Las Vegas and it's bizarre to travel to the mountains, look down the Las Vegas Valley on a windy day only to see the giant river of smog heading southeast.
I was just at the Clark County Wetlands today and I was told that the wetlands are inundated, during heavy rain events, by oil off aspahlt all over Las Vegas.
Looking forward to the future😊.
Batteries are still not the answer/ Losing charge in the cold kills the life of your battery and causes multiple charges to occur. ICE doesnt have this problem. Not to mention inefficient.
@@breadfan9 I don't know what answe you are looking for, I am just looking at what's better. My 2017 Ford Transit Van doesn't perform as well in cold weather (blow by increases leading to higher oil consumption). Cities in the US tend to suck due to noise and pollution. Evs address this well (even with the claims that they ate louder due to weight friction and increase rubber particles due to EVs being heavier vehicles).
@functionalvanconversion4284 I already have the answer and it's not batteries. Batteries can suddenly discharge and are less reliable than an ICE. How about trying other ways of power before going backwards in time
Hi. Norwegian guy here. Why are there so many EVs compared to petrols ones? Easy. No taxes, insane taxes on petrol cars, insane gas prices, you get certain perks with EVs. Discount through toll stations, cheaper parking, cheaper ferries and can drive in bus/taxi lanes. There are perhaps a few more perks. Those are the main reasons as to why we have so many electric cars. Our salary also helps obviously. Besides that, we got an amazing infrastructure, we also know that it is cheaper to maintain, cheaper services, less moving parts etc. All in all EVs are truly amazing.
However, if we did not have incentives, we'd have way less electric cars, that's just a fact. I still believe nonetheless we'd sell more electric ones than petrol. The world is moving forward, whether you like it or not. I'm a mechanic apprentice, so I'd say my comment is far from biased.
Our government is changing the tax policy in 2023. No taxes for EVS Below $50k (roughly 500k NOK). You will pay taxes on the exceeded amount. So if you buy a car that cost $60k, you'll be paying 25% taxes based off of 10k. In total it will be 625k.
Ah-Ha "that's the way to do it"! This has got to be one of the best videos Fully Charged has ever produced and should be shown everywhere and to as many politicians as possible.
Do you know what Norway's largest export is? The top exports of Norway are Crude Petroleum ($22.6B), Petroleum Gas ($14.4B), Non-fillet Fresh Fish ($6.49B), Refined Petroleum ($3.68B), and Raw Aluminium ($2.58B)
@@commentsboardreferee7434 Exactly, Lies Lies and more Lies from Norway, Fully Charged should do some basic research, then ask Christina the hard questions, this video discredits Fully Charged.
Wow, I love A-Ha's music, and now love them even more finding out their role in pushing EV adoption in Norway!
Same
@@macioluko9484 Ditto!
Had a passion went for it
The base player drives a diesel london cab
Let’s see if some other popular musicians can do it elsewhere …
As an Norwegian EV converter, the amount of fast chargers and no tax helped me make the decision to go fully electric. At first the range was a bit scary, but not as scary as getting those repair bills of an ICE car, so I happily prefer a charge break now an then. I’m a former petrol head, so driving electric is so much faster and more fun, instant torque. Driving an electric car was also so much cheaper for me that I mangage to save up to my number 2 EV, with better range.
But after you and all the other EV buyers have helped the government push these EVs down our throat and we all have to drive electric you will have to pay tax my friend. And than you will loose all the money you saved and a lot more since without tax benefits EVs are much more expensive. You think you are smart but you ruin it for yourself, your kids and all the rest of us. While all your tax benefits are payed of others tax money. Sorry but everytime I see someone in an EV I think: Moron. Just because of the reasons I just described.
I can't even express how much I like electric over gasoline, no more choking on gasoline fumes in the morning, that's alone worth trillions of cronas
@@borghorsa1902 choking on gasoline fumes ?? What did you drive before? Some rediculous Trump Truck with a badly timed 6.7liter V8 ? 🤣
What ICE car were you driving? Was it a VW or Audi with a 2.5 TDI?
Eastern Europeans also drive ICE cars and yet with their, by Norwegian standards, hobo level salaries they can afford repairs.
@@fungo6631 Only a tiny % of cars in Europe are EV. Owned by people that can afford it indeed. But I know more than enough people that could never afford it even with all the Backup from the government. And I know more than enough people that could care less. Me myself and I stuff.
Free charging, free parking, free ferries, free bridge fees, driving in bus lanes, huge incentives, and most important: no really no politicians taken bribes from OEM ICE producers. Unlike Denmark and other European Countries, that run on diesel money from dusseldorf.
It’s good to note that 98% of Norway’s electricity is sourced from renewable compliant hydro power plants.
At the end of the day this makes a massive impact really I was thinking if everyone in the UK went EV today the grid couldn't handle it and they would end up using more Fossil fuels
It would be nice to mention the reason they can afford to subsidizes electric cars is because they sell large quantities of North sea oil. Doesn't anyone find this more than a little hypocritical?
@@jimfarmer7811 Not really. World still needs oil and they just fulfil the demand. Plenty of other rich countries out there and they would rather spend it on military.
@@keech100 Remember that most EVs do their charging at night when other electricity consumption is much lower. So the grid can probably handle it most places. About fossil electricity generation going up, that might not be true for long in UK. The UK is soon becoming, if it's not already, the world leader in offshore wind power. It has been estimated that EVs would only use about 4% of the electricity in Norway if all private cars ran on electricity today. Initiatives to save electricity in other areas, such as not heating office buildings at night, could more than compensate for that 4% increase. I'm guessing much of the same goes for many other countries.
@@hemmper unfortunately UK wise that is more of a political statement than actual reality. Maybe one of the Leader but alot still comes from Gas. Last year I think wind was down or somthing and the amount generated dropped. And as it currently stands this Government is going backward environmentally.
Damn, Jack! You keep getting better and better. So darned infotaining and fun. The kind of presenter I wouldn't take home to Mom because she'd like you better than me. Thanks man
Great story telling! Thx for sharing.
Did not know about that guy's protest. However the zero tax on the evs played a big role. I remember years ago a Skoda Octavia in Romania was 25.000 euros while in Norway, slightly better equipped was 45.000 euros. A audi Q7 is actually more expensive than a model X. So actually they dropped the crazy taxes for EVs so this made them price competitive without actually comparing fuel (big) prices to electricity.
Guess they have the money to do this - "In 2021, Norway exported about 69 million Sm³ (1,2 million barrels per day) of crude oil directly to other countries in Europe"
Yes, nobody seems to care they did not even mention this in the vid. Policy and blah blah blah…. It is the oil money the reason why they are able to do this.
@@gogogee82 I do like Fully Charged but they are the right wing of EVs :-)
@@48o272 What does that mean?
There's plenty of things I'd like Fully Charged to do better, mainly in regard to researching the things "behind the story" like you mentioned, but calling them "right wing of EVs" is a bit lost on me.
I wonder what Britain used it’s North Sea oil money on ?
I'll throw a torch into this. I'm norwegian, and my work for 5 years, involved dismanteling, lots and lots of EV's, and I feel like I have seen most of the big problems with them, I think it's just a matter of time untill the EV's are taxed just as heavily as other cars
Of course. The government will not let to itself to lose a tons of money that has been collected by fuel taxes.
In the US insurance on EVs is 2.5-3 times more expensive than for ICE cars, even the price tag is the same for both cars. Plus, they talk about taxing EV per annual milage your ODO meter shows. We people thinking of saving some money converting our cars to EV will not work out for us.
What are some of the big problems you see? This will be very interesting to know.
OP three months later: 💀
Average income in Norway is 25% higher than the UK. Electricity is a quarter of the price in Norway compared with the UK. There may be a clue as to why the EV uptake is much higher.
Many reasons not applicable to other countries
1) Norway is an elongated country, fairly big for European average but with a very small population per square kilometer that revolves around a few urban centers. Most driving is thus in and around urban centers fitting the smaller ranges of electric vehicles
2) Norwegians mostly live in houses with garages, which facilitates installation of electric plugs for home charging
3) The majority of the low-end workforce are immigrants and these on average do not buy cars as they live in the urban centers - Norwegians themselves tend to receive on average massive salaries so they could afford the purchase of electric vehicles even per couple of years, let alone every 7 years when the batteries are to be dropped. The combination of these factors increased quickly the % of electric vehicles in the new car market.
4) The electric vehicles were hugely subsidised by what is, after Luxembourgh, the richest per capita European state - the oil money, the biggest chunk of Norway's economy was used to finance the installation of charging points throughout the country's highways
Overall, the Norwegian example cannot be replicated in other countries. Sure the electric vehicles will proliferate in the rest of Europe but at a much slower pace and only when prices fall down and batteries range and lifetime increase to match the gasoline and diesel cars.
Jack is really one of the best presenters out there, so entertaining and likeable
Will the USA come close?
Came here to say exactly this 👍
But he blocked me on Instagram for sending him a silly photo
@@groovytirma2409 yeah sending picture to strangers is not something a regular person should be doing...
Yep the best decision this channel made was hiring him, Robert can be way over the top at times with his passion. Give the people someone they can sync with and the message will be much easier to get across.
We are trying to do the same in New Zealand, except without the income from selling huge amounts of fossil fuels to our neighbours.
The Paxsters are used to deliver mail here.
Shhh.... Don't talk about the fact that The top exports of Norway are Crude Petroleum ($22.6B), Petroleum Gas ($14.4B), Non-fillet Fresh Fish ($6.49B), Refined Petroleum ($3.68B), and Raw Aluminium ($2.58B)
Shhhh ! ,'I am not the one who killed the planet, I am not the murderer, I merely sold the gun '
@@MrAlexrowlands ahh, I see you would fit right in here
The main trick in Norway is not the petroleum income, but taxing ICE cars. All countries can do that. Let the polluter pay.
@@MrAlexrowlands And yet, if we didn't sell oil, someone else would. We, on the other hand, unlike the others selling oil, didn't start spending it all on extravaganza we didn't put all the money in the pockets of the filthy rich, we didn't make our society dependent of the oil. In fact, there are huge reserves that we know of, that we have planned not to exploit.
Instead, we focused on renewable energy, we focused on nature preservation, we focused on facilitating transition to EV's, we sponsor huge anti deforestation projects around the world, and we show how all this can be done. Without Norway, automakers wouldn't even have had a market to sell enough cars to even start their transition in a sustainable way. Not to speak about all the little things you've never heard about, like ending sales of plastic straws and plastic disposable cutlery. When you buy yoghurt, it comes with a wooden spoon.
So, yeah, we still sell you oil. When are you going to do what's needed to tell us, sorry, but we don't need it?
would be interesting to see production behind EV, It seems that are the same thing than the petrols, also changing actually working cars for new EV may not be very eco friendly stuff but more expensive
Replacing gas cars with electric cars IS eco friendly, as the emissions from production cars is very small part of the lifetime total, around 10% or less.
@@redbaron6805 shure lithium and coltan mines are very eco friendly too
@@heptaniko7090 Most of the Lithium isn't mined, it is produced in evaporative pools and can be produced out of brine. No mining required.
Cobalt is being phased out of EV batteries (it is around 2.8% now) and LFP batteries already contain zero Cobalt.
So, focusing on metals that are 1% and 2.8% of some Lithium Ion batteries and 0% Cobalt in others is pretty misleading.
@@redbaron6805 trying to justify an industry as important to capitalism as the automobile is is not very smart
@@heptaniko7090 Except that claim makes zero sense. We are not stopping production of automobiles, just shifting to a different type of automobiles.
It IS very smart to use cleaner and more efficient transportation, with far lower healthcare and environmental costs. There is no question about that.
I think the most important thing to remember when trying to go more EV, is to remember WHERE you get your electricity. It doesn't matter if the country needs to burn more coal in order to support the energy needs for electric cars. Norway has tons of clean energy, which makes it a viable choice for us. But what about France, UK, Spain?
@ Pedro. Nuclear energy. That option is always there. That is not going away easy.
@@peterscotland1507 nuclear is the way to go for sure
An electric car getting 100% of its power from a coal plant still pollutes less inn use than a gas car. That's because a the generators in a coal plant mostly run close to as efficient as possible. While a gas car run at inefficient rpm a lot of the time.
Of course it's MUCH better to get the power from renewable sources, but it's actually not true that coal power removes all benefits.
@@peterscotland1507 I completely agree that we should mass adopt nuclear energy. It's the cleanest, both in terms of global CO2 emissions and local environment. However, the stuff that makes the reactors work, is not. According to US NEA, we will run out of economically accessible uranium sources in roughly 200 years - at current rates, which make up only 10% of the global energy production. So that's a big issue. Nuclear fission is a short term solution, and one I believe we should take rather than keep burning fossil fuels, but the holy grail is ofcourse nuclear fusion (provided we can do it with common elements).
@ Pedro. Another issue is Ukraine. Germany may have to rethink the "green" option and switch back to some nuclear.. Pragmatism tend to prevail.
A-Ha are all still alive (early 60s) so they would have been a good get for Fully Charged Live.
So Norway truly had an A-ha moment 😊
No they suck! Its not that we want ev cars. We have no real choice. The politicians force us to choose ev by putting up insane amounts of toll boots. And hiking fuel prices (60% of the price is just taxes and fees) and other benefits payed by taxes from the people who can't afford to upgrade their car just yet.
Let's not forget that most people who owns an ev in Norway usually has a fossil fueled car when we need to actually do something else than commuting.
It's not about choice. It's forced... Personal vehicle travel is becoming something for the elite, not the mainstream. At least that's the way things are going now...
And let's not start to talk about the electricity crisis... Our price for power gas risen from average 0.5kr/Kilowatt to roughly 3kr/Kilowatt
@@anderskisen1375 Sant nok..... Det er rett og slett ikke mulig å erstatte alt med elektriske biler. Noe må være fossil også.
A lot of this stuff is fine for cities but as often than not, rural areas get left behind simply because they have less population densities. Yet, these people normally have to travel farther to get somewhere. So when the incentives go to people who are driving less, once again, rural people are left out of the incentive, and may find themselves under a higher financial burden or tax simply because the geography where they live necessitates them driving further distances than their city counterparts. One of the worries I've encountered has been that as less and less gas is used in the cities, less will be produced and the price of gas will go up in the rural areas. The other complaint is that the charging stations are all being built in the city,not the rural areas and not close enough together to be useful.
What you write about charging stations is true. But I would think many people living in rural areas have better possibilitites to charge at home than people living in cities, in apartment buildings. And many of the new EVs now have more than 400 km range, so if you can charge at home you're not so dependent on chargers in your everyday life. Going on holidays, weekend trips etc. could be more of a challenge though.
@@h0nof that's if you can afford the infrastructure. Price point is going to matter in this.
I live in a rural area with no nearby gas station, and the ability to charge from home is amazing. As long as you're not driving to another country, range has never been an issue. Do you have personal experience with the situation you are describing?
@@WhyDoesYTUseHandlesNow The problem is the affordability of setting up a solar or wind system, a battery storage system, and a charging system when you are already living paycheck to paycheck.
What they haven't mentioned yet at least is that it will take a LONG time for these cars to filter down into the used car market to the point where young people can reliably get one as their €1000-2000 first car. The average(!) car age here is close to 11 years, and a 10 year old car is still way, way outside of many peoples' car budgets.
It will be interesting to see if electric cars are as cheap and easy to maintain by the owner when they are 20, 30 years old as IEC cars. Parts access, skill required, aftermarket support for major repairs, there's a lot of stuff missing at the other end of the car cycle right now.
The fact Norway was never a big producer of ICE vehicles seems to be a big reason politicians didn’t get as much push back as US politicians do.
They are massive exporters of oil and gas...you know that, right?
You're both right. And they've got cheap and abundant electricity, not from wind and solar, but hydro, and not for ecological reasons but because of their topography.
@@commentsboardreferee7434 Yep, but at least they are doing something good. I know countries, who exports lot of oil and gas and finance wars.
@@colinmacdonald5732 lol it isn’t cheap now mate
Correct. While Norway like to bask in the glory of EV-adaption and "going green", it was actually a major screwup by the Norwegian politicians.
1. Norway doesn't have a car industry. In fact Norway has very little consumer-facing industry at all. This allowed Norway to have insane car taxes back in the day. No industry would fight to have low taxes, and since it was all imports, the less cars sold the better for Norway.
2. Some guys in semi-remote area of Norway started making electric cars in the 90s (Think/Buddy). As you can tell, those cars suck bigtime.
3. At the time Norwegian politicians where scrambling to find a way to get "green votes" and when these guys turned up with their shitty cars, it was a perfect win for the politicians. They gave these shitty cars all the benefits they could think of. First it would help with job creation in these semi-remote areas of Norway and it would get Green Votes for the politicians.
4. For years, when politicians where asked what they did for the environment (while selling oil and gas like there was no tomorrow), they pointed to the electric car and the said that this is what we are doing. It didn't cost them anything in lost tax revenue either, because the number of people buying Think/Buddy was abysmal.
5. The plan was perfect - and it worked for many years. People got used to the idea.
6. Then came Tesla, especially when Model S hit, and it was a complete game-changer.
7. At the time NOK was pretty high, and a Tesla Model S with 500+ HP cost the same as an entry level Audi A4. It was a no-brainer, and it sold like crazy.
8. Suddenly people started buying electric cars, and the government started loosing revenue. Year after year they lost more and more revenue, and they started panicking. But since people had accepted the idea of no taxes on electric cars, going back on that wasn't easy.
9. From the year 2013 to about 2021 we had one of our most pro-car parties in government, and they saw to make sure the electric car kept their low tax benefits.
10. Now we have a new government that will finally start fixing the big mistake that was made by themselves 2 decades back, and it will start adding taxes on the electric cars now. (VAT of 25% is now being added on the price over 500 000 NOK (about 50 000 USD)).
11. In a few years time, non-electric cars will be forbidden sold in Norway, and the taxes on electric cars will be where the old ones where for ICE cars (approx. double the price), and balance will finally be restored and Norwegians can go back to driving decade old cars because nobody can afford new ones. (* this is speculation, but based on the way politics works in Norway).
This was one of the best among the normally great videos that Fully Charged produce. Love this - very interesting to look at the rest of the world and what other countries are doing. It really helps put our Government's actions (or lack of) into perspective... And Jack isn't to bad at this presenting gig either!
But no mention of Norway's huge exports of greenhouse polluting fossil fuels.
@@d.tonyblackshear1970 Yes, according to various internet sources Norway is the 13 largest producer of oil. What'd you rather we do, stop producing oil and NG or promote EVs?
By stopping Norwegian oil production and natural gas production Europe would face even higher energy costs and Norway would lose revenue. That could be a great incentive for more solar, wind and nuclear plants in Europe within the next 10-30 years.
But in the end, why should they've mentioned the fuel export from Norway?
Yep! I've dropped the odd negative comment on here (cough, more like ads than info pieces, cough) but this one was great! One can only hope that more stories like this come out from other outlets, with luck leading to certain other countries sitting up and taking notice...
I totally agree. The UK, especially London should be doing exactly what Norway is doing. Of course Norway does export a huge amount of fossil fuels which it definitely needs to stop soon enough, but we can get our remaining source of fossil fuels from countries like these while we are transitioning completely away from Russian exports until we completely go to electric and hydrogen cars.
@@danielwhyatt3278 UK recently produced too much wind turbine energy than the grid could handle. It's about energy storage nowadays and this is gonna be a huge cost.
Thanks for the update. I lived in Oslo from 99 to 2013, but I was not aware that things had come this far.
Whilst it is being hailed as a great move for the environment, one of the main reasons Norway has pushed for a transition to electric has been the poor air quality in the winters. Because a lot of our cities are cituated in valleys the emissions gets trapped in the winter when its really cold and causes all sorts of health issues. Like recycling, the benefits for the climate is mediocre, but for public health it has been key.
Since they were 10 years ahead of everyone else I have some questions: How is the recycling of old batteries organized?, how long do these EV´s last before they get recycled?, are new battery swaps for old EV´s a thing?
They won't talk about the children who work for a few cent to mine for lithium which is bad for the environment!!!
@@andrespelayo6833 you mean cobolt, I hope, cuz lithium isn't mined.
@@nickojonsson6315no in Africa they mine for both cobolt and lithium
In the US we need more support for home charging. What I see so far is "petrol station replacements" or "for profit" chargers. We do need those along long distant travel routes but the greater need is for apartments. Home owners have the option of installing one but renters need that option too. It still takes too long to charge a car for busy workers to change on the go. Most charging needs to happen where the car will be parked when it's not in use. The good news is we don't need to replace every gas station. The reason we need so many of those is nobody has a gas pump in their garage. With EVs mostly charging where they are parked we won't need as many on-the-go chargers as we have gas stations.
Frank, we need to change our mindsets to want to make the changes. Some of us are still in the must have a V8, "muscle car" mindset and it's not just the older people either. There's still worries of the grid as we do have rolling brownouts and such. We need to get to work. There are also political debates that slow things down a great deal as well.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Funny there was no worry about the grid while all the McMansions with three AC units were being built since the 80s. You know, the ones that only two or three people live in. We will always have growth and demand for more electricity. Electric cars are only a small part of that. We have to plan for ALL demand, not just cars. Blaming cars is just an anti EV agenda.
@@benjaminsmith2287 I enjoy leaving V8 muscle cars behind at stoplights and I drive a slow Tesla that is 7 years old. Rolling brown/black outs are usually limited in time and area and would not affect car charging. Most of the time they are either at peak use, or they are related to a wind event to prevent fire, and most car charging should be at night during the lower priced period. A lot of the reason the transmission lines in California are vulnerable to wind events is they are bringing power from hydro dams in the mountains down to population centers and the increase of rooftop and community solar on or near houses should reduce a lot of that issue. Wind power may still come down from the passes because that's where wind is.
You also need a charging STANDARD. I know you guys hate government regulations but it's the only way to create a unified standard which benefits everyone. Which is why even Tesla uses CCS in Europe (hardware only so far, software soon).
@@seybertooth9282 I agree but to be fair we never did get a liquid fuel standard. Seems like it would be cheaper if there was only one type and one octane.
You can kill anything with enough taxes.
"Oh, you want to buy a petrol car? Ofcourse, but you have to pay both for that and for an electric car we can give to your neighbour"
"Oh, you want to park a petrol car? Good luck finding a parking spot, and if you do, you have to pay both for your parking and for the big EV parking garage in the center that is free for all"
"Oh, you want to drive on the toll roads, sure, but you have to pay both for you and for the electric cars"
a bit to over exaggerated, EV's here just got free shit all over. could use bus lanes, little to no tolls, cheaper or more parking etc.... these are now fading away cus we have so many EV's on the road. parking is the same, cant use any special lanes. only one left is basically no tolls. and ofc cheaper fuel which would be way cheaper if electricity wasnt 1715% more expensive than 3 years ago
Too stupid of them to do that. Very silly, EVs always got free B*** sht.
@@Ren_1106 its more in the lines of they didnt have to pay for things they already used to pay for. but most of the benefits are getting lowered and are soon gone.
Currently (here in UK) the general taxpayer subsidises a lot of the costs of petrol cars whether they own one or not. Perhaps if those subsidies were more transparent there would be less resistance to EVfication. I am not convinced that even those in government fully grasp the entire picture.
Yep, you nailed it. It's called making POLICY. If you want politicians actually changing things, and not just letting the rich run away with the wealth, you need politicans actually making things happen by doing "policying"
Norway has just a few major cities, and it's mostly a linear country, not wide like UK or US. So, electrification is much easier as you lay down the chargers along just 1 or 2 major linear highways and no more effort needed.
In US or UK, for there to be enough chargers, they would have to be placed all over the place on several highways (tens of interstate highways & hundreds of connecting roads) since US/UK are more spread out & not a linear country like Norway. Also, those initial small EVs are useless for US as we have higher speed limits & small EV toy cars will get honked at all the time.
It's amazing how far ahead of the EV game Norway is, a model for other countries to follow especially the UK.
atleast the UK is on it ,
we in india still wondering how to fix potholes from last election😂
@@avatr7109 Don't worry we still have a lot of potholes 😂
Thanks Jack and all the Fully Charged Crew. Another job well done. Bravo Oslo
The problem is the 'expectation' One size fits all. Leaders need to get real in this regard and recognise Countries that do not have the ability to produce an abundance of cheep power.
About electric construction work, my brother has been in a few project like that, same with my dad. And like outside the cities, they evade the rules by just setting up a disel generator slightly outside the construction area as it's cheaper. So yeah. So like i don't think we're quite there yet lol
At 15:40 did you see the excavator with a long extension cord and an extra worker babysitting it?
What a joke, for the name of green construction.
@@BigWoofers yea
Like a REEV( ecar with a onboard ICE generator) its still way less diesel used to run a generator to top up the batteries than burning diesel in all the equipment. Electric motor drivetrains are so much simpler and better.
More things should be added to have a better view as reality is way more complex:
1. Norway is one of the richest countries (per capita) in the world, so people can afford 40k+ cars (this is also related to the next point)
2. lots of money actually come from exporting oil, gas and derivates. The Pension Fund, I don't remember if it is no. 1 or 2 in the world had its money mostly from oil & gas, so many investments were actually possible because of those resources. From the 70ies until now, lots of money were collected.
3. The population is low, 5-6 millions
4. There is no auto industry (big one), so there is no economical negative side from fastly switching to EV, killing car companies.
5. The local energy sector can easily be covered in Norway with water and other renewables, so there is plenty of free / cheap, clean energy around.
Otherwise, very well done, Norway.
Great comment. The video as usual was heavily biased so it's good to have a better overall picture provided by yourself
It is ironic that as we come into a Australian government election this weekend we get the perfect example of what can be achieved with sensible EV policies. Let’s hope a change in government in Australia so we can start showing better progress on EV’s. We have a long way to go.
sad fact is we can't build energy fast enough to cover the demand. plus some parts of the grid are already maxed out so they limit the power at the meter
@@javic1979 I'm not for renewable everything, we need a good mix, but it seems Austrailia with their huge solar potential and lithium deposites should be able to turn that around pretty quickly. Combine that with some turquoise hydrogen (will keep the gas industry happy, and battery industry with the ultra pure carbon black it produces) or synth fuels for the land trains and they would be all set.
@@anydaynow01 China has its eye on Australia ..I would say within 20 years China will fully own Australia as they are even being allowed to build military bases there now
@@anydaynow01 problem is Renewable isn't green.. its not good for the environment, just the bankers and shareholder's.
Green energy is high energy output, repays it's environmental debt quickly and is long lasting.
Green energy's are hydro, geothermal, nuclear or even better thorium that can recycle spent nuclear waste to make it less radioactive.
but then you have the latest thermal power plants that can be used as flex fuel helping deal with rubbish (eg 70% unreclaimable waste 30% coal or gas) and possibly some day they'll burn hot enough to safely dispose of fibreglass (windmill blades) and other toxic waste.
in QLD they could build new dams to pump water over the great divide to green up some of the dry inland areas, this could be used as a massive hydro battery 5000+ megawatt
Michael, Norway are producing 25+ percent of the oil and gas used by Europe. They're a lot like Aussie, except here in Aussie we're not as hypocritical in that we're open and honest about our Government backing of fossil fuels.
I wish Aussie would go renewable, but unfortunately our Government are too greedy to cut down our exports of coal and other fossil fuels
EV’s were very popular even a year ago… we looked at them and considered buying one. After an evaluation though we decided to stay with a reliable cheap and efficient new Toyota traditional ICE vehicle. In the last few months EV’s sales are really stalled. With the money we saved we are actually travelling to Norway for vacation. Great cars though look forward to visiting Norway. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
Norway is very rich (oil, natural gas...) and is very fortunate to have >95% of its electrical energy produced by hydro. Hydro is the least expensive and the best source.
we dont use the oil money. stopped spending it since 2002. over 20 years ago.
@@Cryoptic_ lmao no
@@Cryoptic_, LOL, false
@@qwertyuqwertyu7481 its not. oil money is not spent ever since 2002. we do spend money from the massive fund tho. but oil isnt being sold for money that gets used
Norway gives me hope for the future. We should do exactly the same in Denmark
Unfortunately your gas production doesn’t generate the massive oil and gas royalties Norway uses to subsidise EVs.
@@funkyfin3023 If Denmark can't fund it with fossil-fuel exports, let them fund it with Lego exports. They export so much Lego. This is a joke by the way.
@@Moses_VII good point. Given Lego is made of plastic then they must import lots of oil to make them. Very bad for the environment, lol....
@@funkyfin3023 The truth is that almost any country can do this if they want. The savings from healthcare alone, savings on oil imports, refining, maintenance, energy flexibility will easily cover any investment. Sweden could do it without batting an eyelid, so could Finland. Some countries would have to print money, but they could do it.
@@mrmichrom8553 agree but problem is the return from the savings will take decades to filter through. Politicians don’t have that time horizon, so it wont happen except for a few countries. Scotland is making a massive investment in offshore wind to shift demand from gas for heating and export green power. This will take a decade to come onstream above current levels. Most won’t though and will just cover current domestic electricity at most…
There is one important point not mentioned, Electricity in Norway is super cheap because of their geography providing ample hydroelectric
Certainly helps, but EVs are still cheaper to run than ICE cars even with expensive electricity.
At 20 cents per kWh, is equivalent to $1.25 / US gallon gasoline ($.33/L).
At 30 cents/kWh, equals $2.50 /gallon.
and 73 cents to current $4.58 / gallon.
We could easily use Geothermal but we don't .
Not true, Norway has the same price as rest of europe (Norpol). Yes, electricity is cheap to produce here , (NOK 0,15 kWh), but today I pay NOK 2,50 kWh
@@targus200 Agreed. NOK 2.50/kWH wqual to 0.25 Euro/kWh, which is around what I pay for electricity here in Ireland (notably not endowed with abundant hydropower!), so power costs are not the reason for mass EV adoption in Norway.
Not right now no, we are selling to Europe so prices are record high
Norway was really lucky. It had set a strong social economic and justice system before it stepped on an oil mine. Because of this it made the people benefit from the oil exports rather than just private companies or rulers like in Venezuela and Mexico. Mexico is barely getting its oil and electricity back from privatized corporations so hopefully their people will also see prosperity from it.
It also helps that Norway has aclose to 0% pollution rate on power production. Almost all electricity is either hydro or wind based.
That is so, but the batteries nor the cars are not made in Norway
Well done Jack and team! Ever since I discovered Bjorn Nyland's channel I've wondered why EV's were so popular over there. Thanks!
Yeah I am always surprised at how open and available the charging network is, and mostly at a Circle K with good lighting and a place to eat and drink.
Circle K rolling out similar in the US soon.
(They were advertising for an executive to oversee the project last year)
Chock full of brilliance, way-to-go, Norway 🇳🇴 😃
I know a lot of people here in the US are concerned about grid infrastructure and if we were to move to this level of adoption it would cause our grids to fail. I’m curious how Norway has tackled distributing the electricity.
There has not been done anything to the grid in Norway because there has not been any need for it so far. Thing is, EVs put very little extra load on the grid because the majority charge the EV at night when the other loads are very low and electricity is the cheapest. This is done automatically by most home chargers now. The chargers also adjust the charging current to the house load and do phase balancing, so you never trip breakers etc. Anyhow, the grid has a huge surplus of power at night, so again, the grid fail fearmongering going on in USA is BS for the most part. However, that is not to say the grid can handle 100% EV overnight, not even in Norway, but the roll out of EVs in the USA is so so slow, the grid companies will be able to keep up just fine if they want to stay in business that is. There is no money in selling electricity in a broken-down grid, so the market solves that just fine.
ev's lessen the stress on the grid, idk why ppl think the opposite.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl As an EV enthusiast, I don't understand how more EV's can lessen the stress on a grid.
@@ripvanstinkle Think of the grid as a huge machine, that needs to slow down and speed back up again based on demand, this is very complicated and expensive. EVs can very simply solve a lot of this variance in demand at a very small increase in overall consumtion.
You have to have a public charging system that is excellent because as soon as people get off there 9 to 5 weekly job the Weekend comes for Road trips and the minute you retire you want to see the country and others as well so the Chargers are a must
Tesla superchargers already exist
Fantastic video Jack and team! Really informative, I was already an Ah Ha fan, but now am even so much more.
Hey, someone from Norway here👋🏻
This video is touching on alot of the positives of our situation, BUT there is alot of wierd things about this as well. They are taking down alot of the parking they have around the cities so it's a hazard to get in to the city when you live outside of it! This makes the road absolute caos when there are public events, or when you simply are getting to work. Also, alot of the buildings where people live are quite old and does not have a parking lot, and our politicians can suddenly figure out that "Oh, its going to be illegal to park in that street right there!" And then people have to find other places to have their cars, and TRUST me, that ain't always easy. I have even heard of cases where they haven't given any heads up to the people in the streets they are doing this to, and just put the signs up at night when they are asleep!
So yeah... there are a lot of positives about their 0 emissions plan, but also alot of wierd things are happening.
Seems like they want you to use cars less. See if they have put in decent alternatives.
@@Egg-mr7np but in a country like Norway it's really hard to get around without a car😔 especially if you live on a place as I am without any good alternatives. The bus comes at really wierd hours ( like at sundays it comes one time about 8 pm or 20.00 and that's it).
And we also have a bunch of these tolls we have to pay and the municipality I live in keeps increasing the price because they don't get in enough money since electric vehicles pay 50% of what petrol cars pay.
Sorry for complaining a lot. I just find alot of this ridiculous at times😅
@@Sundith01 As a Norwegian commuting to a neighbouring city (Trondheim) to work it's important to understand that the city's politicians answear to the citizens in their city, not us commuting in. So getting rid of cars, increasing the quality of the city's population by making more open spaces etc are their concern.
I need to push the politicians where I live to get their act together and build better public transport, parking spaces around the hub etc. Luckily they've done that and it's easier to commute by bus and train now.
Wouldn’t this be happening regardless of if the cars are electric or not?
@@connor4582 I have seen the politicians programs mention to close one parking lot but opening new ones that are specific to electric cars instead of just using the one we already have🥲
And EV's are not only in Oslo, they are all over Norway! Kind of funny thinking about how cold it is at winter and how hilly some routes can be, other countries have no excuse!
Exactly!
It's what they DON'T tell you in this story which turns things for green upside-down
Great video Jack!
This fully EV parking lot with chargers is amazing! Thank you for sharing 🔌⚡🚘
That parking is beneath Akershus Fortress which is also where the old kings are not buried but kept in a mausoleum in a locked room in their caskets. It's also where Quisling and some of his nazi companions were shot after WWII. The last ones to get death penalty in Norway.
In New Zealand I cannot afford to buy a EV even with rebates etc etc so I bought what I could afford a older Honda MPV . Its still a good car and I do make efforts to avoid driving when i dont need to. In my free time I am bit by bit working on converting another car to EV . I dont agree with forcing people out of cars if they cant afford a ev yet.
I drive a 1989 Mazda van I bought new that's propane fueled, so a 3rd of a century of use and only cost me a few thousand dollars to rebuild recently; low emission, cheap and convenient to fill up; sure, it's not the latest tech but that's its real benefit.. no fancy tech to fail.
Honda was making an electric Civic like 20 years ago. Why not that one?
@@pasiutrial Not in New Zealand.
I recommend to keep a eye on a nissan sakura if you want to pursue in gettina a EV
Bruh I remember when this was still a small channel 😦 love the progress!
Great video I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Having lived in Norway for a couple of years, it was amazing seeing the EVification.
However the "rebates" on Toll, and a lot of the incentives to go EV, are slowly being pulled back.
This is what I fear could halt the already great advances they've done in Norway.
Wish Danish infrastructure for EVs was a well planned, sadly it's not.
And highly taxing EVs on par with combustion engine cars is sadly the approach here.
As well a lackluster charging network.
I mean if you have the money to spend on a 50-60k euro car you can afford the extra 10-15k taxes
and IMHO Norway's approach of taxing petrol cars to oblivion while leaving EVs untouched is pure bullshit of the second largest oil and gas producer on the continent pretending electrification while having a last go on petrodollars. We came back to the 1910s and 20s where only the rich could afford a car, paying zero taxes after it and flexing on the average Joe. It's said to be the green decade yet governments subsidize 2,5 tonne electric monsters instead of low consumption low weight cars or even motorcycles, let alone e-bikes. Strange world we live in huh
«Eldrebølgen» and «velferdstaten» is a big part of why it’s being pulled back. The state needs to earn more money to keep most of the good perks.
Great to hear how A-Ha were willing to "Take On" the bureaucracy's unwillingness to support EVs.
We have the same law here in France. It’s called ‘The right to Plug’ Landlords cannot refuse unless there is a technical reason, and if there is they have to go to court to prove it which is nigh on impossible. I’m renting a garage here in France and they’re all ready and set up to welcome EV’s. All new buildings HAVE to have the architecture for EV’s. Please don’t sing Jack.
That's what California needs!
I think what will drive EV sales through the roof here in France will be the introduction of the new Renault 5. Renault claim it will ‘democratise EV ownership’. 2024? Very affordable and it’s something everyone over here from all backgrounds will be able to relate to. People won’t be able to get enough of them. Will sell like hot cakes!
@@waynefaram2333 Lets see those EVs coming in high numbers, the EV Megane is also a game changer as you get a lot of a car for a very good price. But I have some doubts they will be produced in high numbers as it is simply not possible because of many reasons: not enough batteries, too expensive batteries and other rare metals (even neodymium is much, much, much more expensive today than 3 years ago), the auto industry has to layoff tens, hundreds of thousands, there still is a chip shortage. Besides that, the cars are way too expensive for mass adoption, you can have 2 good ICE cars for 1 Kia EV6, even better quality ones as Kia has lots of hard plastic inside.
@@FlorinArjocu interesting times. A Chinese company has set up with Renault in Northern France to produce the batteries and the factory there is set up for mass production under their strategic plan ‘Renaulution’. (I’ve sat through their 3 hour presentation). I’m pretty sure the raw materials won’t be a problem but the semi conductor situation (thanks to Covid) has been catastrophic (3.5 months to create semiconductors on a silicon disk, and to have to do that from scratch after running out due to Covid has been a monumental blunder. I’m seriously considering buying the Megane E tech, but as you rightly point out, to get it up to a high spec you could be going to just under 50,000 euros. So no, I don’t think the masses will go for that although a fair amount will go on the road. We still haven’t got one in the showroom here in the South of France. 🙄 The wait is around 12 months for one on order (same as Q4). What will ‘supercharge’ the EV market in France is the Renault 5. I’ve heard it could be coming in at under 25,000 euros and will be very desirable and affordable. I’m a bit confused by Renaults strategic plan. Seems to say one thing then point to another. I think like Ford they’re splitting their electric division off which to me says they want to protect the EV part once the ICE side goes bust. Don’t forget, Renault is partly owned by the French state, so Renault, just like everyone else is going to have to beg the state for more support at some stage, and I would suggest it would only be the EV side which would receive assistance. Renault want to be known as a technology company that just happens to make cars, not the other way around. Must admit, I find it a bit hard to keep up with. Alpine are going completely electric which suggests to me Renault are going all in for Formula E racing. They say they want Renault to produce less cars and to have profit margins as performance indicators, that’s ok reference the Megane E tech but sort of contradicts itself regarding the Renault 5.
@@waynefaram2333 Indeed, interesting times. Increasing 10x the EV productions means a 10x production increase for Lithium, Cobalt, Neodynium and quite a few others. And that is not even enough for what we actually need to completely replace ICE cars. I don't see that happening. Imagine Neodynium prices increased 300% in the last 2-3 years or so, similar for other materials. Alluminium is much more expensive, too. Also steel. And as need goes up for some of those materials, prices will go even more to the sky. Putin invading Ucraine surely made things much worse, some countries will have not that much food, notthing to say about EV conversion. What will the price of an EV be? Shipping is 10+ times more expensive. How are companies gonna be profitable unless states take a part of the costs? How long can states do that as a crisis is coming, actually already here? We have to be realists, even electric energy prices will go up as the market requests more electricity with the EV switching, plus the road taxes that was included in gas/diesel prices has to be included in the electricity costs, otherwise there will be no road repaired, cleaned, built etc. Ah, and with the electrical energy need increasing, new power plants need to be buit, new tra sportation lines, too. That cost has to be covered by someone, too. You know in France they decreased the temperature in public buildings about 1.5 months ago, I remember seeing that on TV at that point, but you can only do a bit of that. And some nuclear power plants are in maintenance right now in France.
As for Renault, yes, that seems to be the case with splitting the activity.
Norwegian here!
I drive an electric, and so do almost every family member of mine.
One thing we can all agree on, is that cost of transportation is WAY down.
Petrol\Diesel costs about 22-28NOK per liter ( 1 dollar = 10 NOK), and most urban cities have very high road toll. Some have to pay upwards of 200NOK per day commuting to and from work.
Right now, electricity is more expensive than ever, but in my region, it has been on an average of 30-40 "Øre" this year, and now in June\July, down to only 2-5 "Øre" (1 dollar = 100 øre).
The fast charger i use a few times during summer travels cost about 5,8-6,4NOK per KWH, and my car consumes about 1,6KWH per 10km. I fast-charge on average 5-6 times a year, otherwise i charge at home
elatives.
Range anxiety is cureable after a while, you just gotta learn to know your car, the routes you drive etc. Then take 2-3 mins to plan the trip, check charge points etc. That is, in my opinion, worthwhile considering how much you save on travel costs.
My 2017 Nissan Leaf is now 5 1\2 years old, have travelled 75.000km, no lost battery capacity\bars and i have only had to swap brakepads and discs once.
Maintenance on my particular car is (thus far) really cheap.
Even with increasing taxation, toll-rebate reduction and higher average electricity prices: EVs will still be cheaper than Fossile.
You can now buy a Nissan Leaf 2nd gen or Tesla Model 3 for about 350.000-400.000NOK, which is the same price for similar sized fossile fuel cars. So the excuse for affordability is gone imo.
Australia post is using something similar stuff to the Paxster as well these days. Notably modified e-trikes from Kyburz of Swizerland.
As a Norwegian speaking Brit, this is one of many reasons I love Norway, their mindset, culture and way of life is amazing, they always pick the perfect solution to a problem.
Yes they taxed cars to the hills in the first place, so It was easier to remove that tax on electric etc but it just shows it is doable in a short space of time
Fine, I assume Norwegians stay at home most of the time, because they cannot drive very far.
@@kennethhawley1063 Huh? No they drive long distances to their cabins and also to Sweden regularly.
@@kennethhawley1063 as we are assuming, I assume you’re a bit of a knuckle dragging ape, Norwegians drive plenty far enough and because of good electric charging infrastructure they can charge easily and regularly if the electric car has a shorter range
What about a holiday in another country with a large family?
@@robertthomas1411 Norwegians don’t drive on holiday, they fly to south Europe for the sun, they have no need for their car there
One of the first thing I noticed when I bought my EV, the cost of getting from A to B for about 40% less than petrol counter part
did you also notice how you spent 240% more to buy it?
@@jebes909090 not really, I bought it 2 year old
@@decrypt83 oh so you only paid 220%, my mistake.
@@jebes909090 no it's a Nissan, not a Tesla, even brand new, it was cheaper than a lot of other new cars
Tires last 30% less, when the battery is getting shit, the car is almost useless for you and you will not get back much.
Electricity bills gets higher on your house and everything, car cost more.
There seems to be some disillusions in the comment section so I’ll try to add my opinion as a Norwegian. Firstly, oil and gas money does not subsidise our EVs. The EVs have been exempted from the fossil fuel tax in addition to an additional 25% value taxation. This leads to a Tesla model S costing under half of what a Mercedes S class costs (two fairly similarly priced cars outside of Norway). This makes a huge difference in the quality of car you get if you go electric, so most do that. Another important aspect is that electricity has been very cheap in Norway due to its very beneficial geography for hydroelectric plants, producing fully green power to be used. An incentive that has lessened as Norway has begun exporting power. Another important factor is that when we pay our electrical bills, we also pay for service, repairs, and expansion of our electrical grid, making it possible for us to fully electrify our homes and vehicles. In addition, I would like to add that yes, norway is an exporter of oil and gas, but it is almost not used in norway compared to the export (normalised pr capita).
If any questions or comments, I will try to respond as quickly as possible
I give you my example any decent EV here is 50-70k euro. ID4, EV6, iqoniq, model3 etc… That is an arm and a leg for people with normal jobs. About 800-1000€ a month if you go for a full lease. Belgium by the way. While true, many can pay that. Also many can not. The grid ain’t ready, so we can’t go to fast.
"EVs have been exempted from the fossil fuel tax in addition to an additional 25% value taxation" EVs, not just in Norway but in most countries by now are basically tax exempt. Guess what pays for Norway being able to afford not taking in those taxes even with such a high percentage of EVs? It's the oil and gas money.
So put simply, Norway are hypocrites when it comes to selling oil and using EVs
@@Jutsch80HD exactly
@@Jutsch80HD we stopped spending oil and gas money on ourselves in 2002. 20 years ago way before EV mainstream.
This is an encouraging video but I would have liked to see more emphasis on reducing overall car usage in cities rather than just replacing ICE cars with electric. After all if you took a city like London and replaced every ICE vehicle with an electric equivalent it would still be congested, and just as many pedestrians and cyclists would be killed or injured each year. While what Norway has done is impressive, I'm more impressed by what the Netherlands has been doing since the 1970s.
Hope so! That would be great, it's already working out really well in some other major Norwegian city centers (Bergen, Trondheim)
Tbf Oslo probably has better public transport than London because it's much less of a headache to build anything like new underground lines or trams that Oslo has
Excellent video by Jack and the Team. The policy makers here in Australia could learn a lot from those in Norway
I do not think so.
Perhaps. as 100% EV's is not optimal for the environment in Norway and clearly even more loony in Australia.
While EV's are great for local use and for commuting, they have a much larger environmental cost to manufacture.
What we need is sensible car use and sensible adoption of EV's rather than the "every car or truck needs to be electric"...
@@davidhollenshead4892 and which (it gets pretty boring hearing the same old chestnut...) after a certain period of use, are lower than that of fossil fuel cars (somewhere in the 30-40K Km range, depending on how your electricity is produced and how big your car is..) .
well Australia doesn't have oil reserves to export to finance ev transition.
@@torleifremme8350 do you own an EV?
"THE GOVERNMENT" is a scary thing both in the US and in Britain. Maybe having a conpetent government that actually does good stuff is the way forwards.
Competent government is not possible with the current batch of expensively educated Tory dimwits in charge.
Murdoch will make sure that doesn't happen.
Ultimately "no government" might just be the real deal for a lot of developed or small but modern territories, especially when they have to stick it to bigger regimes to survive
@@garryferrington811 LOL Thanks for that! Sadly so true.
Functional government might be a possibility in the UK, but a large group of Americans are opposed to the very concept of government, which makes it very unlikely that they will ever get a functional one
It’s going to be a long clean up for humanity from the petroleum industry. A big petroleum hangover.
Great video with a positive, optimistic message about what's possible with EV adoption if politicians do what they're voted in to do, instead of sniping at each other and therefore not doing what they are paid to do.
Question for Jack - with an almost total removal of IC vehicles, did you notice any difference in the air quality (as we did here in 2020 with the Covid lockdown taking vehicles off the road, planes out of the sky etc)? I really miss those clean times, though not the method of achieving it!
Thanks; keep up the good work.
Only 15% of the car fleet in Norway are EV, so I don't suppose he noticed really. What? They didn't say?
@@dontfallfortheevcon6319 they also didn't say anything about the lack of development of EV infrastructure in the North while having the same push for EV's as the south making us feel excluded together with defunding the schools and companies in more Northern rural areas, let alone paying about 0.3-0.6 pounds more for a liter of petrol in Tromsø where i also happen to live
@@dontfallfortheevcon6319 16% rn and that is the entire country. go to the cities and in between them. prime example is around oslo all the way down to kirstiansand. there the % is waaaay higher. and countrywise overall 80%+ of new sold cars are EVs, we peaked at like 90% one month. the air is vasltly different here. easy to tell as snow on and beside roads now doesnt look like coal.
i would also say i can tell a difference
9:20 "The right to charge law". If only we had something similar in the UK. I Had to sell my beloved Nissan Leaf when I moved into a flat as there wasn't anywhere nearby where I could charge my car, and installations in the flat were not available.
I mean, in Helsinki we have a requirement in city planning that so-and-so many car parking spaces have to be planned for so-and-so many apartments in an area. This has never made any sense to me; it's pure waste of space, as if there was a requirement that each apartment should have a room for a grand piano (people actually requiring a car in Helsinki, with our excellent public transport, is probably equivalent to the number of people owning grand pianos)... But if you're going to have those parking spaces, making it into law that they must be amenable to electric vehicles would at least make a little bit more sense than the current situation.
Still a problem here in Oslo. One of the reasons I don't have an EV is because there was no way for me to charge at home. Most citizens who live in Oslo city center don't have access to parking garages, and rely on public chargers.
@@jannepeltonen2036 Outside of London the quality and frequency of public transport varies significantly. My are is ok but only covers certain parts. It's also got many hills, so few people cycle and thus rely on their cars more. I know it's a complicated issue, especially when 'market forces' come into play - so bus or rail companies will only offer a route if they can make money on it. Mediocre or loss making routes haven't a chance. A 'right to charge' law would be great, as would grants that were actually claimed. But politics seems to get in the way.
In Norway, EV chargers in parking garages are now like broadband internet connections; you do not dare buy a flat without it even if you do not have an EV yourself, because it will be challenging to sell it again.
@@sondre999 Sounds very sensible.
My family and I are immigrating. Part of our reason is that we're currently in a country that has made zero effort to "go green" and will likely be one of the last to do so in the world. Too bad it's quite difficult to get into Norway! Well done to Norway politicians and citizens!!! Well done!!!
This is one of the reasons Norway can do what they are. If they had the flood of indigent immigrants the USA has the picture would turn grim quite quickly!
@@glasslinger Norways immigrant population percentage is higher than the US'
Yes all of those people willing to pick the fruits and vegetables we eat every day are a real burden on us. And who wants those immigrants like Elon Musk guaranteeing we can get astronauts to the international space station.
You realize of course that they are a major producer of oil and gas, right? That's in large part why they can afford to do things like this.
The Us is also a major producer of oil and gas. Your poltitical syste just makes it way too easy for individuals to pocket the money.
3:11 I see no problem here whatsoever. another W for electric cars
and you car cant run because one microchip die, there are people that die because the doors wouldn´t open after a accident and the ev started to burn, funny how ev love to catch fire, this was teslas btw.
We had a Prime Minister here in Australia (now voted out) who said about EVs, "They won't tow your boat...".
In the US we need to tell the Politician's and President to Pull their Heads Out or Get Out!
Good report Jack!
That's the spirit, but good luck with that when the pro-electrification half is blocked by the pro-oil/coal half.
Awesome video!!! I loved it!
Same here. At 20 mins I was gonna skip it but so well worth the watch & didn’t feel the time go 🙏🌎🌱
Did not expect to see Wren in this comment section, although, not surprised, knowing Wren being such a fan of electric vehicles.
Wren 🙌
the problems with all the decision makers around the world are still funded by the petrol companies and they wouldn't want their markets and shares plummets drasticly hence slimmer down their wallets. right now crude oils still the most valuable things for those tycoons.
Good video m8. I get that you are fronting the ev cause, although that might not my stands on this matter.
That aside, i think it would have been nice with some interviews form the "common man" to hear there thought's on the push for electric and how it was/ is done. And what made them switch/ not switch to electric yet.
But agen... Good video m8. Kind regards from a randome Norwegian.
Makes me depressed as a US citizen. Promoting a shift to sustainable transportation is still met with extreme vitriol/skepticism in many parts of this country.
Of course Norway funds these projects with the sale of.....OIL AND GAS!~ LMAO
US is larger, more complex and most electrical generation is still oil and gas. Want to shift? Go sell your car and buy EV or use public transportation... done.
Norway exports about 190 million litres of crude oil per day. Once burnt, that's about 475 million tonnes of CO2 per day. Divide that by the population of Norway and it pretty much works out that your average Norwegian is lunching off about 16 metric tonnes of C02 per day. Unless you're of Norwegian heritage and part of their campaign to propagate the myth that Norway is somehow a "green" eutopia, you haven't got much to be depressed about by being American.
America loves to sell oil. Greed is good.
@@davidbutton3500 Norway is fortunate that nearly all of the electricity production come reliably from Hydro. That puts them in a very fortunate position in the context of their energy blend and makes EV's a very viable option for them especially when compared to other grids around the world. Yes, there is obviously an offset but Norway exports more oil than they could possibly use even if everyone owned a '59 Cadillac.
It's good economics though and the state owned and run oil facility has created the highest standard of living for its citizens compared to any other country on the planet.
Think car ownership in Oslo is very low - so while good to see that EV uptake is high, important to remember that cities should focus on the alternatives. It sure did seem peaceful out there 🙂
I've live in Norway for over 20 years.....car ownership here is about the same as the UK with most families having 2 cars, Oslo is no exception.
Peaceful because of the lack of engines.
@@Richard482 Fewer cars as well. They had a specific plan in Oslo to reduce traffic levels of private cars. Achieved zero pedestrian deaths in 2019! Remarkable.
@@Richard482 They make their money by selling oil and gas to everyone else. And laughing all the way to the bank.
Peaceful yes, but check out all the wide shots of the city - you can see for miles and almost taste the fresh air.
The reason why they have old ev's or cars in general is because it's very expensive in Norway.
Great, well edited episode
Absolutely agree all you say jack at the end of the video. If the uk is serious about Ev adoption they have to continue with incentives and improving the charging infrastructure. In short follow Norway’s policy’s in full and not cherry pick them.
Now I consider moving to Norway.
The parking place is ripe for wifi charging?
One of the commonest scare stories about EVs is reduced range in winter. It would have neen interesting to hear the Norwegian response to this frequent attack on EVs.