My favorite part of Fool Us, is that they let the magicians post the full clips of their performance on their own social media channels, thats absolutely awesome a show will let people self promote like that and full credit to Penn and Teller for letting them.
Well as Penn once said the purpose of the show is not to see if they can get fooled, it's to showcase good magicians. Letting them post their clips without having them behind a paywall does exactly that.
I hadn't heard that, but it makes so much sense. I've always said that magic is the art of doing something so difficult that people would rather believe you have supernatural powers.
So wonderful when a guy who has more money than he'll ever need, and more fame than most, engages with the interviewers like they're old friends, never talking down, and being "present" in the interview, instead of "too cool for the room." THIS is what a true showman (and a really nice guy, by all accounts) looks like.
They've been like since the start. I saw their Westside Arts show 40 years ago and was struck by how approachable and sociable they are with their audience. They hang around and chat with fans during intermission and afterwards.
I love the positivity and genunine appreciation that flows out of P&T. It's great to see him on stage encouraging new and lifelong comedians and it's great here to see him display the same attitude toward magic and life in general. What fantastic standards of the craft and, indeed, of humanity.
These guys are fantastic showmen. 10 years ago I reached out to Penn's social media because I was going to Vegas one week after their last show of the season and wanted to know if they were going to add any more dates. Penn reached out personally with a link to the updated dates and I got front row seats with my brother. After the show they both hung out for over an hour signing autographs, selling merch, and talking to every fan who wanted to.
I was called onstage to assist with a trick, and remain impressed to this day by the skill exhibited by teller. I knew the trick from going to the public library , so knew exactly where to look , and they saw me looking, but the hand is quicker than the eye. The guy did a complex double move that was flawless, completely invisible, undoubtedly the result of much practice.
I used to run a tiny 60 seat theatre. Many moons ago, a magician performed his first show on my stage. 7 years later, Vitaly Beckman fooled Penn and Teller with a routine I first saw in this littler room.
Penn and Teller are as great people as they are magicians. They always know the real work that has to go into presenting even what looks to be even a simple trick cleanly.
I still love the show after all these years. It‘s such an entertaining format and Penn and Teller still seem to genuinely enjoy it. It somehow doesn’t get old. Greetings from Germany.
I just discovered this show through a few RUclips clips that popped up in my feed. I'd heard of it, but never bothered watching it. Penn & Teller deserve so much credit. It's a delight to watch. Even when they aren't fooled, they're so damn positive and supportive and, as Penn said, kind that it just leaves you with a great feeling. So lovely that they're so encouraging of these burgeoning talents.
Legendary Penn. A lot of judges on talent shows can't judge the true meaning of magic because they don't perform it which is why fool is is so much better to watch because those two know their magic.
I met Penn and Teller once. The shocking thing? Teller isn't short. Penn is just that tall. Also did a stage trick with them and Teller had, quite literally, the simplest, but most brutally sly distraction method I'd ever seen. Being someone who does tricks I knew what was happening, but it was such a moment of joy I couldn't look away.
@@r0bw00d point taken. He seemed much taller standing next to him. I'm 6 even and I remember him being about my size. I believe his shoe had a heel, so that'd add like another inch. Point being, Penn is still massive.
Best part of being a magician is knowing whats happening as you watch another magician, seeing the move and being blown away at how clean it was executed. Appreciating the time and practice it must have taken to make it look that perfect. Magicians hide their talent and hard work from spectators while most every other entertainer shows you openly. The trick that baffles you usually is just a byproduct of the hours and hours of hard word it took to fool you.
I agree. "Penn Jillette on getting fooled" would have been accurate, just as goon IMO, and might not have been clicked on by the three most brainless RUclips addicts.
If it counts for anything, he dooooes technically give an answer. As he says, it's the cheap, routine and high skill-ceiling stuff like card tricks that slips by the two of them the easiest.
@@Spartanhero613 I would really have to pretend that the title did not lead us to believe we would be getting either specific trics or even catagories of tricks like ACANN for example. Because I'm a huge fan of P&T (Seen them live 11 times) I will accept your reply but any fan of Fool Us could know just by what fools them consistantly.
I took my family to see Penn and Teller in Vegas a few years back. They're incredible and after the show, they were extremely amiable, posed for pics with us, etc.
He and Teller are great. His books go into the meet and greets a little. They love their fans. Pen met his wife after one of his shows which is pretty awesome.
When I decided to sell my company and retire to perform magic professionally instead of being my hobby. After my 8th time seeing P&T live I told Penn my plan at a meet and greet after the show. He offered to give me a bump on social media and told me to use the video on my website. Very cool right? Even better is when he got Pip The Magic Dragon to also cut a promo for me as well. Penn is a magic lover, Fool Us is 100% their way of giving back to the profession and art form that allows their lifestyle. Penn & Teller will do whatever it takes to help other magicians shine. Two of the best humans I have ever met.
I was there in their theater for the filming. These guys may be the greatest magicians in the world but there's nothing sneaky or fake about them. they both are two of the nicest gentlemen that I've ever met in my entire life it was a great honor
I wonder if he still drives his Pink Volkswagen Bug? I was driving in Vegas and saw this Pink Volts and thought that’s an interesting Bug. The license plate said PENN na dit didn’t dawn on me it was Penn. as I pass him he pulled over to the curb. I knew there was something not right so I turned around to see if he needed help. He said yes he’s on his way to rehearsal and ran out of gas. I helped him out and he retired the favor with a couple of tickets to their show. It was pretty cool and during the showed he acknowledged me helping him. Nice guy 👍
Before Penn and Teller, Magic(illusion) was either high end Vegas stuff like Copperfield or Sigfried and Roy, or it was low end, 'the great PRESTO!' types. Then these two came on in the 80s, and they were young, edgy, and started bringing 'street magic' to the tv. Now they're at an age where they can help boost up new magicians and give them a stage to ply their trade, get exposure, and show off what they're capable of.
Like most anyone who goes to one of their shows, I got to meet him in person and I told him that I adored Fool Us because I thought, going into it, that them explaining everything with their guesses would make tricks less magical to watch, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that it made it more magical; after even just a season of episodes you've seen so much of the same basic moves that you get a kind of comfort like you know the basics/mechanics of most types of tricks, so that means if you know a little bit and people can still fool you, they must have done a good job!
It's less that Penn & Teller are "fooled" and more that they're limited to making their best guess out of several theories. Fairly, they might have a strong idea of how a trick is done but don't have it completely figured out, which is the essence of being fooled, but the producer of the show also has to know how the trick is done so they can communicate through Penn & Teller's earpiece if there's technicalities and gray area they think they have figured out but isn't "coded" in what they say clear enough for the stage act to respond with a "yes" or "no" to their final guess of "We don't think you fooled us." That's where editing comes in because the producer has to make on-the-spot calls of whether Penn & Teller have it figured out but the stage act didn't fully understand the coded responses. So much respect to Penn & Teller. It was always strongly alluded but never said that they're just there to experience the thrill of being fooled instead of always having to be the ones fooling. Zero judgment on the acts; simply magicians having friendly banter.
I've watched "Fool Us" almost since the beginning and Penn has always been kind to the performers, except once, when a "magician" tried to pass off a gimmicked watch. Penn wasn't exactly unkind, he simply said it's a gimmicked watch.
I'm such a fan I've flown to Vegas to see them I don't really believe that anyone can fool them. I think they are too good, and teller is a life long scholar of magic. I think they just say folks fooled em about once a show to keep engagement up.
12 years??? I didn’t think it was over a decade show cos I’ve been watching it since 2017 when I discovered it on this platform. Honestly thought it was created in 2017 because I think that’s when it popped off due to RUclips.
My favorite part of Fool Us is that I can so easily find comments of people saying the same "I love that they let the magicians post their clips on their own channels!" on nearly every single one of them, it's that consistent predictable at this point
I've started to notice in recent years, Teller doesn't join Penn when doing interviews anymore. I guess he decided there was no point him going to these interviews to only sit there and say nothing.
I love the fact that younger people are getting in on it, but I don't like these so-called street magicians where a large part of their "magic" comes from the editing room. That is, the shoot part of the trick on the street and then use different audience members/actors to do the actual trick. Three examples I can think of are David Blaine, Cris Angel and the worst one of all time, Dynamo. At least David Blaine has been able to train himself to do some other things which are genuinely impressive like holding his breath for 17 minutes on live TV. Here he is talking about this whole thing (and how he originally was going to fake it but ended up actually training to do it for real): ruclips.net/video/XFnGhrC_3Gs/видео.htmlsi=8xqnCue0stMiACGA It's actually quite a fascinating, hilarious and occasionally touching speech.
Penn just lied. I never thought id see the day. "we dont know whose on the show." i remember an act a few years ago, the guy who got them to keep shuffling and mixing the cards up, only to find the card Penn had selected. Penn even went to smack him after the act. He sat with Teller and said "I want to make this clear, i HATE you. I'm not playing around, the moment I saw your name on tonight's show, i told Teller, he's going to trick me. No. No. Shut up! NO! Lift that trophy back up. You fooled ME, most of the acts fool the big dumb guy. But Teller saw how you handled the cards up close, he saw every play you did.... and HE didnt catch it either. NOW you can lower that trophy." The key part being "WHEN I SAW YOUR NAME" So either Penn lied to him that night, or he lied in this interview. Why's it a big deal? Because Penn and Teller's whole gimmick is, they dont lie. They say that multiple times in their own routines, like the nail gun one, the water box one, the cup and balls.
It's a shame that magic has been downgraded to puzzles to be solved. It's supposed to be about "suspending disbelief" and enjoying the theatre of it. And I'm sorry, but any magician worth his salt is never fooled, and I don't believe for a moment magicians with decades of experience can't see through pretty much any trick, no matter how clever. Once you have a "magician's mind", you see through everything.....
My favorite part of Fool Us, is that they let the magicians post the full clips of their performance on their own social media channels, thats absolutely awesome a show will let people self promote like that and full credit to Penn and Teller for letting them.
Well as Penn once said the purpose of the show is not to see if they can get fooled, it's to showcase good magicians. Letting them post their clips without having them behind a paywall does exactly that.
No reacts anymore on ytube
But the Fool Us producers likely take all ad revenue so it's kinda nice but they don't care as long as they make the money
That’s tuff!
A quote by Penn that I like: "The only secret of magic is that I'm willing to work harder on it than you think it's worth."
I hadn't heard that, but it makes so much sense. I've always said that magic is the art of doing something so difficult that people would rather believe you have supernatural powers.
So wonderful when a guy who has more money than he'll ever need, and more fame than most, engages with the interviewers like they're old friends, never talking down, and being "present" in the interview, instead of "too cool for the room." THIS is what a true showman (and a really nice guy, by all accounts) looks like.
He and Teller are genuinely lovely, kind, deeply respectful people.
They've been like since the start. I saw their Westside Arts show 40 years ago and was struck by how approachable and sociable they are with their audience. They hang around and chat with fans during intermission and afterwards.
He really is cool. Met him in Philly at a gig in the eighties, and he was nice, answered my questions, and chatted a moment.
Ew money
He came from pretty low places and thankfully he remembers everybody deserves respect.
I love the positivity and genunine appreciation that flows out of P&T. It's great to see him on stage encouraging new and lifelong comedians and it's great here to see him display the same attitude toward magic and life in general. What fantastic standards of the craft and, indeed, of humanity.
Unbelievable that this show has been running for 12 years now. Awesome stuff!
These guys are fantastic showmen. 10 years ago I reached out to Penn's social media because I was going to Vegas one week after their last show of the season and wanted to know if they were going to add any more dates. Penn reached out personally with a link to the updated dates and I got front row seats with my brother. After the show they both hung out for over an hour signing autographs, selling merch, and talking to every fan who wanted to.
Yeah they don't do the fan meet and greet anymore. I get it, Penn is 69 and Teller is 76, they want to spend more time golfing, life is short etc.
Damn! Thanks for that story.
@@ssl3546 Penn's son told me they stopped when Covid first hit. Makes sense, honestly.
I was called onstage to assist with a trick, and remain impressed to this day by the skill exhibited by teller. I knew the trick from going to the public library , so knew exactly where to look , and they saw me looking, but the hand is quicker than the eye. The guy did a complex double move that was flawless, completely invisible, undoubtedly the result of much practice.
One of my most favourite shows, I love the tenderness Penn & Teller extend to all the magicians.
I like these interviewers -- they asked questions that were actually interesting and got Penn to expound on things in an organic-feeling way.
I used to run a tiny 60 seat theatre. Many moons ago, a magician performed his first show on my stage. 7 years later, Vitaly Beckman fooled Penn and Teller with a routine I first saw in this littler room.
I just watched the clip. Very cool, Vitaly was great! 😊
Even if you know how the trick is done you can still appreciate the skill like watching a talented musician perform
Some tricks become even better, once you know how they're done. Kostya Kimlat's first fooler was mindblowing.
Penn is such a humble man who loves what he is doing and has a passion to inspire others. Absolutely no ego whatsoever.
Penn and Teller are as great people as they are magicians. They always know the real work that has to go into presenting even what looks to be even a simple trick cleanly.
I still love the show after all these years. It‘s such an entertaining format and Penn and Teller still seem to genuinely enjoy it. It somehow doesn’t get old. Greetings from Germany.
I just discovered this show through a few RUclips clips that popped up in my feed. I'd heard of it, but never bothered watching it. Penn & Teller deserve so much credit. It's a delight to watch. Even when they aren't fooled, they're so damn positive and supportive and, as Penn said, kind that it just leaves you with a great feeling. So lovely that they're so encouraging of these burgeoning talents.
Search for the appearance of Shawn Farquhar in season 1. You'll be blown away! ;-)
@@DaveChimny That was great, thanks!
What a great interview! Those were exactly the sort of questions I wanted to hear as a fan of Penn & Teller and Fool Us.
The hosts were amazing! Watching as a magician, I thought they were amazing questions and loved the way the conversation flowed. So so good!
Penn is one of those rare folks that I'd be honored to just be in the same room with and listen to him talk about anything at all.
Fool us is a great show❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉
Legendary Penn. A lot of judges on talent shows can't judge the true meaning of magic because they don't perform it which is why fool is is so much better to watch because those two know their magic.
Penn is a real gem of a man - very smart and kind. He is very respectable
I met Penn and Teller once. The shocking thing? Teller isn't short. Penn is just that tall. Also did a stage trick with them and Teller had, quite literally, the simplest, but most brutally sly distraction method I'd ever seen. Being someone who does tricks I knew what was happening, but it was such a moment of joy I couldn't look away.
Teller is, what? 5'9"?
@@r0bw00d point taken. He seemed much taller standing next to him. I'm 6 even and I remember him being about my size. I believe his shoe had a heel, so that'd add like another inch.
Point being, Penn is still massive.
@@Luxowell No, I was agreeing with you and asking how tall Teller is.
Best part of being a magician is knowing whats happening as you watch another magician, seeing the move and being blown away at how clean it was executed. Appreciating the time and practice it must have taken to make it look that perfect. Magicians hide their talent and hard work from spectators while most every other entertainer shows you openly. The trick that baffles you usually is just a byproduct of the hours and hours of hard word it took to fool you.
Hoping the title wasn't bait but boo it was
@@dontknow3949 And not a single trick was mentioned. Only the name of a duo that tricked them.
@@dontknow3949 Exactly - Nobody expected Penn to tip any methods just name the tricks that stumped them good.
I agree. "Penn Jillette on getting fooled" would have been accurate, just as goon IMO, and might not have been clicked on by the three most brainless RUclips addicts.
If it counts for anything, he dooooes technically give an answer. As he says, it's the cheap, routine and high skill-ceiling stuff like card tricks that slips by the two of them the easiest.
@@Spartanhero613 I would really have to pretend that the title did not lead us to believe we would be getting either specific trics or even catagories of tricks like ACANN for example. Because I'm a huge fan of P&T (Seen them live 11 times) I will accept your reply but any fan of Fool Us could know just by what fools them consistantly.
Penn seems like a good dude. Definitely works hard to make audiences happy.
Love this man, even now he talks with so much passion for his craft.
I took my family to see Penn and Teller in Vegas a few years back. They're incredible and after the show, they were extremely amiable, posed for pics with us, etc.
He and Teller are great. His books go into the meet and greets a little. They love their fans. Pen met his wife after one of his shows which is pretty awesome.
When I decided to sell my company and retire to perform magic professionally instead of being my hobby. After my 8th time seeing P&T live I told Penn my plan at a meet and greet after the show. He offered to give me a bump on social media and told me to use the video on my website. Very cool right? Even better is when he got Pip The Magic Dragon to also cut a promo for me as well. Penn is a magic lover, Fool Us is 100% their way of giving back to the profession and art form that allows their lifestyle. Penn & Teller will do whatever it takes to help other magicians shine. Two of the best humans I have ever met.
I was there in their theater for the filming. These guys may be the greatest magicians in the world but there's nothing sneaky or fake about them. they both are two of the nicest gentlemen that I've ever met in my entire life it was a great honor
I wonder if he still drives his Pink Volkswagen Bug?
I was driving in Vegas and saw this Pink Volts and thought that’s an interesting Bug.
The license plate said PENN na dit didn’t dawn on me it was Penn.
as I pass him he pulled over to the curb.
I knew there was something not right so I turned around to see if he needed help. He said yes he’s on his way to rehearsal and ran out of gas. I helped him out and he retired the favor with a couple of tickets to their show.
It was pretty cool and during the showed he acknowledged me helping him.
Nice guy 👍
Before Penn and Teller, Magic(illusion) was either high end Vegas stuff like Copperfield or Sigfried and Roy, or it was low end, 'the great PRESTO!' types. Then these two came on in the 80s, and they were young, edgy, and started bringing 'street magic' to the tv.
Now they're at an age where they can help boost up new magicians and give them a stage to ply their trade, get exposure, and show off what they're capable of.
Penn has become a lot more gracious as he has matured. Good dude
Like most anyone who goes to one of their shows, I got to meet him in person and I told him that I adored Fool Us because I thought, going into it, that them explaining everything with their guesses would make tricks less magical to watch, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that it made it more magical; after even just a season of episodes you've seen so much of the same basic moves that you get a kind of comfort like you know the basics/mechanics of most types of tricks, so that means if you know a little bit and people can still fool you, they must have done a good job!
That was a very sweet and wholesome interview!
"Did they fool the old guys?" "I don't care. It's a great show!" Love the attitude. A good magic trick is always entertaining to watch.
It’s a great way to give other magicians higher levels of careers that they might not have had through the fame of Penn and Teller’s career.
He’s such a great interviewee.
As the video ends I am still waiting to hear Penn tell us about the tricks which fooled him! I guess I must have read the title incorrectly.
It's less that Penn & Teller are "fooled" and more that they're limited to making their best guess out of several theories. Fairly, they might have a strong idea of how a trick is done but don't have it completely figured out, which is the essence of being fooled, but the producer of the show also has to know how the trick is done so they can communicate through Penn & Teller's earpiece if there's technicalities and gray area they think they have figured out but isn't "coded" in what they say clear enough for the stage act to respond with a "yes" or "no" to their final guess of "We don't think you fooled us." That's where editing comes in because the producer has to make on-the-spot calls of whether Penn & Teller have it figured out but the stage act didn't fully understand the coded responses.
So much respect to Penn & Teller. It was always strongly alluded but never said that they're just there to experience the thrill of being fooled instead of always having to be the ones fooling. Zero judgment on the acts; simply magicians having friendly banter.
They platform other Magicians and that is what makes them and the show so special.
How about getting the closed captions in sync with the speakers for us hearing impaired.
I've watched "Fool Us" almost since the beginning and Penn has always been kind to the performers, except once, when a "magician" tried to pass off a gimmicked watch. Penn wasn't exactly unkind, he simply said it's a gimmicked watch.
Penn and Teller seem like such good people.
I like that the news guy agreed about talent show judges being a JOKE
Penn is such a professional.
Penn is great!!!! ❤❤❤❤
Love Penn and Teller. He voice seems to be fading however 😟. Hurts seeing our influences and legends age.
I'm such a fan I've flown to Vegas to see them
I don't really believe that anyone can fool them. I think they are too good, and teller is a life long scholar of magic. I think they just say folks fooled em about once a show to keep engagement up.
Please change the title to "Six minutes and 27 seconds of Penn Jillette not actually sharing the tricks that have stumped him."
12 years??? I didn’t think it was over a decade show cos I’ve been watching it since 2017 when I discovered it on this platform. Honestly thought it was created in 2017 because I think that’s when it popped off due to RUclips.
Penns Jilette is so great right there.
My favorite part of Fool Us is that I can so easily find comments of people saying the same "I love that they let the magicians post their clips on their own channels!" on nearly every single one of them, it's that consistent predictable at this point
Legend penn
I’m glad Penn finally quit dyeing his hair and cut it! He looks great!
a legend! don't forget to watch Penn and Teller fool us. magic's cool
I would love to go on that show, but I don't think I could fool them.
Whoa, when did Penn's hair turn grey?!
Penn looking really well
It's like he's always talking in code
I've started to notice in recent years, Teller doesn't join Penn when doing interviews anymore. I guess he decided there was no point him going to these interviews to only sit there and say nothing.
Its just tricks. The ones that think they can levitate get me. Gravity gets them every time.
He made a hundred pounds DISAPPEAR! 😮
Lookin' good, dude.
Penn didn't really share a trick that stumped him. I wanted to know what the trick was.
Penn said it best , he got to be with her🥰
Penn looks good with grey hair
Stalker is pretty great. Saw it here back in Sweden a while ago.
Still love him but does anyone miss heavier, loud Penn?
Clickbaity untrue misleading title ? No thumb up from me that you would otherwise get.
Teller was resting his voice.
Love every minute!!! I know a guy ….. looks just like Penn. 😅
I love the fact that younger people are getting in on it, but I don't like these so-called street magicians where a large part of their "magic" comes from the editing room. That is, the shoot part of the trick on the street and then use different audience members/actors to do the actual trick. Three examples I can think of are David Blaine, Cris Angel and the worst one of all time, Dynamo. At least David Blaine has been able to train himself to do some other things which are genuinely impressive like holding his breath for 17 minutes on live TV. Here he is talking about this whole thing (and how he originally was going to fake it but ended up actually training to do it for real): ruclips.net/video/XFnGhrC_3Gs/видео.htmlsi=8xqnCue0stMiACGA It's actually quite a fascinating, hilarious and occasionally touching speech.
Wanna be fooled? Watch the interview at .75x speed and you will think Penn is on drugs!
Penn just lied. I never thought id see the day.
"we dont know whose on the show."
i remember an act a few years ago, the guy who got them to keep shuffling and mixing the cards up, only to find the card Penn had selected. Penn even went to smack him after the act. He sat with Teller and said "I want to make this clear, i HATE you. I'm not playing around, the moment I saw your name on tonight's show, i told Teller, he's going to trick me. No. No. Shut up! NO! Lift that trophy back up. You fooled ME, most of the acts fool the big dumb guy. But Teller saw how you handled the cards up close, he saw every play you did.... and HE didnt catch it either. NOW you can lower that trophy." The key part being "WHEN I SAW YOUR NAME"
So either Penn lied to him that night, or he lied in this interview. Why's it a big deal? Because Penn and Teller's whole gimmick is, they dont lie. They say that multiple times in their own routines, like the nail gun one, the water box one, the cup and balls.
they only know who will be on the show the day of filming when they see the schedule roster
Just taking a moment to appreciate that wonderful pair of striped toucan socks. I love them.
Great show
Why Why did they not ask why Brook Burke wears the SAME cloths on EVERY show, I know they tape several shows at a time but this is ridiculous
Is it just me or did I miss all the tricks that stumped him?
The title has nothing to do with the content.
And still they haven't had Jason Ladanye on the show
So he did not, in fact, share the tricks that stumped him..
Brooke Burke IS wonderful.
cool Penn Jillett Raymond Teller
Good host
Fool Us is the best
6:20 laryngitis
Clickbait, Penn shared no specific tricks.
Love Penn
Damn penn looks handsome as fuck with the grey.
Why not have Jason Ladayne on the show. He's the GOAT.
the real fool us champ? skechers!
the banter at the end made me want to disappear, can Penn help me out with that?
it should be called "fool teller"
I wish he could make those socks disappear
1:42 Nothing wrong with being white.
My idol ♥
😊😊
Cool
A nice interview, but Penn shares nothing about the tricks that have fooled him. A horrible clickbait title for a reasonably good interview.
:( his hairs white
Unfortunately he's still stumped by BIG pHARMa until further notice.
No he didn't
It's a shame that magic has been downgraded to puzzles to be solved. It's supposed to be about "suspending disbelief" and enjoying the theatre of it.
And I'm sorry, but any magician worth his salt is never fooled, and I don't believe for a moment magicians with decades of experience can't see through pretty much any trick, no matter how clever. Once you have a "magician's mind", you see through everything.....