Is the term "Jobber" OFFENSIVE?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- From The Stevie Richards Show Episode 6 - Is "Jobber" term OFFENSIVE?
Dustin Rhodes Complains About “Jobber” on X (Twitter) - “Please stop using the term "Jobber". It is extremely disrespectful to everyone who is putting their bodies on the line each week. All of us are "Enhancement Talent". We enhance each other’s careers. Show compassion to everyone that steps in this business and works hard enhancing others. KeepSteppin"
Where does Stevie Richards stand on the "jobber" issue?
Is it semantics or is jobber an insult or does it depend on context?
What term does Stevie Richards prefer? Enhancement, carpenter, etc?
When fans call someone jobber in a pejorative sense, does Stevie richards feel they don’t understand that wrestlers in major promotions are akin to actors who have been cast in a role? Wrestlers play the role. A lot of guys, Stevie included, are described as a far better talent than the role he was cast in, but on the flip side Stevie was a part of a major promotion consistently for 20 years straight, if we include the early years of ECW, as well as WWF/WWE, WCW, TNA/Impact and Ring of Honor.
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This is like that George Carlin soft language bit. " "Jobber" is now "enhancement talent" "
Exactly
Good reference
George carlin was woke. His language would evolve if he were still alive
As in shell shock vs post traumatic stress disorder.
At the end of the day if you change the word you say but don't change the meaning behind it, what's the point?
"You're just a jobber who cares what you say" and "You're just enhancement talent, who cares what you say" are the exact same thing.
They've obviously forgotten the famous Shakespeare quote "an enhancement talent by any other name would still be a jobber"
True but replacing a word with a negative connotation with a new one free from that can be the first step in introducing that change in attitude.
What's a jobber? A nobody who loses all the time.
What's an enhancement talent? A wrestler who's responsible for making that star look good.
Replacing a word with a negative connotation with one that doesnt have said connotations is a incredibly useless task that changes absolutely nothing.
Because the negative connotation will just be placed onto the new word.
Enhancement talent is literally meaning the exact same and is as (NON)derogatory as jobber. An enhancement talent is the one that loses all the time as well. A Jobbers job is it to make the stars look better too.
@@tullyDT
@@tullyDT First of all the "negative connotation" of the word "jobber" is only really in the minds of fans and the promoter (when trying to figure out how much they're going to pay them to be jobbers). The fans are supposed to be marks. They're supposed to think the jobbers are the lowest of the low and the champion is the king of the sport. The promoter is always going to try to screw everybody in their wallet.
If somebody is too snowflaky that they can't stand to live with the position they have in the company they work for. Go work somewhere else. If these jobbers don't like being jobbers, go find another occupation. It's really that easy.
@@jd9119 There will be a wrestler soon who will take either "negative connotation" or "bad player" as nicknames.
"Enhancement Talent" is such a "Sports Entertainment" term.
Changing the name of a condition will not change the condition.
Jobbing is, as jobbing was, as jobbing ever will be.
Truth is, every wrestler is a “jobber”. You’re jobbing for the company, whether you win or lose.
@@presntnowno one wants to be a spike dugley tho lol that’s who people are talking about with Jobber lol
@@scoobytwenty327 no one wants to be a Barry Horowitz or Pater Avalon ,Spike Dudley WAS a champion, a main ECW attraction, a WWE lower end star, had a hot angle with Molly Holly. Cause REAL Jobbers are faces in the crowd who nobody remembers
"Jobber" is a term that meant more during the territories than it does now. Back then guys would work 10-20 years part time just doing jobs with no expectation for anything else. Some of them weren't very good in the ring, but they were there to get squashed or do a semi competitive match.
Roman Reigns and Brooklyn Brawler under the same terminology lmao
Except Hogan. He doesn't do the job. Even when he works 400+ days a year. Lol
How about this.. fans will stop using Jobber when talent stops using Mark....
Amen to that...
Agree. I dont find either of the terms derogatory but if you drop one, you gotta drop both of them
A ''mark''' does not just mean a fan.. In pro wrestling, a “mark” is a wrestling fan that thought it was real, as opposed to a “smart mark” who knew of pro wrestling's scripted nature.
I remember seeing an interview with Al Snow where he said the term "jobber" was never intended as a derogatory term. It was used as a term for the wrestlers who were not under contract with the company and were brought in to wrestle a match as a job for the day. Jobber was just the person who was hired to fill a spot on the roster. I don't know if this is true or not but it made sense to me when I heard it.
Exact-o-mund-ish Raymond. It's an itinerant employee. The construction industry relies heavily on jobbers. Someone in showbiz lecturing their audience ain't going to change the facts of the matter.
jerry lawler said the same thing about memphis tv pretty much
Exactly thank you!
That make a lot of sense. But then it was elarged i guess to the wrestlers who kept loosing and were there just to be squashed.
No matter what you replace jobber with... It's only a matter of time before that is used to offend
True, but at least the term enhancement talent, IMO, is accurate. You're their to enhance other talent. Jobber sounds like you are worth nothing.
Also, technically, enhancement talent could me applied to mid carders whose job it is to get stars ready for the main event. The classic example was Tito Santana. Amazing worker, never really pushed hard, but also had great matches with everyone, and loved by everyone. It would be deeply insulting to call him a jobber.
@@mattm7798no, its the exact same meaning.
There is a reason why EVERY SINGLE euphemism for the mentally handicapped has become a slur throughout all of human history. There’s no escaping what it means to do jobs
That's true. I will have to use enhancement talent over Jobber. Does sound more respectful.
I can see a day where enhancement talent is used with finger quotes is used to offend... There were past times when mongoloid, moron, retard, etc were actual medical terms for mentally impaired people were very legit medical terms. Anything can turn bad in time lol
@@DarranKernthe original meaning is guys not under contract who were hired to do part time jobs which usually involve losing .
Mr. Richards, you probably never thought that someone in rural Finland would be listening to your speech walking on a dirt road in the woods but that's what I did in July. I remember that evening fairly well.
I will keep saying jobber .
One of the worlds biggest and yet still most respected jobber … hates being called a jobber.
When your roll is to “do the job” for someone you’re a jobber.
Everyone is enhancement talent, not everyone is a jobber.
Perfect example. Whether intended or not your comment just drips with disrespect and contempt that's what the problem is
"I don't care" I agree it's just a word. Though I like the term "carpenter" as jobber can be insulting and " enhancement tal;ent" sounds like P.C. don't wanna hurt a grown man feeling's nonsense
They'll still be jobbing whether or not you call them "carpenters" or "enhancement talent." Both are euphemisms
It would be like calling a billed actor who’s getting his ass beat by the main star a “bad actor”. That’s just his role. Like film, wrestling is entertainment. Everyone is equal and playing a part.
A jobber is not a bad wrestler.
@@Rjensen2 I never said it was. That was an analogy. Everyone plays a part and some people are used to elevate talent and help fill the card.
@@TheProphegy yeah those are called extras in film
No its not like calling an actor which role get being a bad actor, thats so far removed from reality its incredible. You analogy doesnt make sense.
Or maybe you actually dont understand what jobber means.
Comparable would be a someone whos *typecast* as a loser.
Sean Bean is a Jobber 😮
We’re all jobbers. Until you become the main event. Standup is the same. You are an opener. Until you become a headliner. But you are still a “bringer” which means you “bring” the audience.
That's a rather wide definition of the term - so wide it's meaningless. A midcarder is not a jobber.
Changing the meaning of a word or a phrase or calling it something different does not take it out of context. Context is always more important than a word. You can use enhancement talent all you want to but it still means jobber
You completely fucked your own point. Yes, words have connotations, and the word enhancement is a word with a positive connotation as it means to further the quality or value of something . So yes, calling someone an enhancement talent is a more accurate and respectful term because its existing connotation is positive.
@@zaneplatt3533 who decides that? Get real lmao, think of how many politically correct terms were made to fix a previously inappropriate word that resulted in the new word being used in the exact same negative light as the last? Stop drinking kool-aid man people are gonna say whatever they want to.
Jobber. Changing names doesn't change meaning
It does actually because those 2 words have 2 different meanings
@@pleaseshutup7053 So, would dirt sheet writer be offensive to Dave Meltzer since he enhances all the RUclips wrestling channels? Should we refer to Meltzer as an enhancement journalist?
@@roccojamison89gooker51 Meltzer is just a fan with a mouth
@@roccojamison89gooker51 of course dirt sheet writer is offensive that’s why we say it to offend meltzer and all these fake bias journalists. Who report lies or “dirt” instead of actual news and stories
@@pleaseshutup7053No. everyone who’s taken a pin or count out or otherwise “lost” has done the job and is a jobber.
I was taught that the term, “doing the job”, meant that you showed up and did whatever was asked of you by the Booker, to the best of your abilities.
Somewhere along the way, it got mutilated into an insulting term meaning to have to lose to another worker who you felt was inferior to you in whatever way.
I resent whomever is responsible for that because someone HAS to fucking “lose” and I just think that the guys who did it without arguing that their whole family was in the crowd or putting on a boo-boo face or using whatever stupid reason to not want to “lose” deserve more respecc on their names.
I believe in territory days Jerry Lawler started using term “Jabroni” and The Rock popularized it during Attitude Era.
Dustin has been hanging around that AEW crowd for too long and some of these things have rubbed off on him for the worst.
having some respect for your coworkers and not marking out for yourself is a bad thing since when?
1000%
@@tullyDT Saying you're not a jobber when you are, and letting words manipulate your emotions is definitely bad, and pathetic.
honestly, it's been a recurring theme if you remember how cringe Dustin used to be on Twitter last decade.
1000% Agree, he don’t belong over there he should be in WWE with his brother..Being around those AEW fools has Pussified him..
Calling someone "Enhancement Talent" sounds like what you call a loser that is sensitive to being called "Jobber" which makes the person sound like a bigger loser. I'm not trying to be mean saying that but that's how it comes across to me.
@@rmnffxYeah when I was a teenager, I didn't wait on and bus tables. I was a 🌟 and Beverage distribution apprentice 🌟
People's need to be someone or to be seen as important is astounding.
I'm quite content being a nobody like the vast majority of us are.
I want to be known as an enhancement comment thread writer, Not a comment jobber, maybe a keyboard warrior, but I would prefer a Keytar Warrior.
Dustin is fully committed to the millennial mindset. He doesn’t want those who remember him as a substance abusing champ to question his wisdom.
@@roccojamison89gooker51 I find being called a "Fan" offensive. It's like I'm some nobody idolizing greater people. I prefer "wrestling observation technician".
@@mblair5327 Careful, that may trigger a lawsuit using the term "wrestling observer." That may be copyright infringment.
Stevie's face in these thumbnails is too much
Stevie still kind of looks like and sounds like Shawn Michaels. Michaels was enhancement talent for Hulk Hogan at SummerSlam 2005. Watch how HBK enhanced that Hogan Big Boot near the end of the match.
soy
Amen to that
It gives me Wolverine popcorn bucket vibes
Only a Jobber would cry about being called a Jobber.
The interesting thing about TNA is that with the smaller roster being a jobber is harder to define. You could probably count on one hand which people that are guaranteed to lose, but even they still get wins. The jobber moniker is who's continuously expected to lose, yet almost everyone is presented like they have potential to threaten title holders
nothing in TNA makes sense
Never did tbf @@ducklife420
They blew the Dr Stevie angle by having Abyss destroy him at three different pay per views
@@tullyDTthat fn smokin tazer 😢
I want the crowd to chant "Jobber! Jobber! Jobber!" To these crybaby modern wrestlers. Theyre supposed to be cheered, booed, made fun of, etc. Thats what makes wrestling fun. Plus theyre making money so they just need to stfu and quit trying to control the fans
They already emotionally manipulating and controlling you FFS that's what the wrestling business is built on. What do you think they're doing when they're getting heat in a match and turning people babyface or heel?
@@tullyDTchill out ffs
@@calvinwilder6512 FFS may be used for a name of a future faction in AEW
"They're not toys Dad, they are action figures." = "They're not jobbers, they are enhancement talent."
It sucks right? But that's life, "curtain jerker," "jobber," and other terms that poke fun of guys lower on a card are never going anywhere.
Who’d have thought an old skool wrestler such as Dustin Rhodes from Texas would be offended by a word. (Jobber).
It's the same guy that was supposedly considering getting breast implants to help his wrestling career, so there's that.
Nobody but a relative handful of smart fans knew that word even existed 40 years ago. People are just disrespectful with it now.
I dont even care how much i like a certain wrestler.
If said wrestler takes offense by that i will refere to him by nothing else.
Same
Considering how often wrestlers call people marks i feel jobber is fine
Then, marks are going to say that the term "marks" is offensive since they spend money on wrestling. The marks enhance the wrestling promotions with their money. Call them enhancement consumers.
@@roccojamison89gooker51muchnick hated his customers being called marks
@@chrischar9428 Mushnick...the last name says it all. His last name alone may be viewed as derogatory
James, please stop using the creepy AI thumbnail. It’s so cringy & you’re better than this as producer of the podcast.
I think they missed a huge opportunity with Stevie...He kinda looks like Shawn Micheals....back in the day they should have done a "parody" where Stevie dresses like Shawn and basically over acts, being an even bigger crybaby than Shawn.... basically magnifying everything that sucks about him....They could have done a whole thing where it drove Shawn up a wall making him crazy....Stevie even did the super kick if I remember....seeing someone mimick Shawn and watching him react would have been great
Shawn Michaels: That doesn't work for the Heartbreak Kid, brother!
Stevie, Shelton Benjamin, Cesaro and many others could have had more interesting careers in WWE than they did, but charisma is very important in professional wrestling.
@@jackihughes6362 I agree Shawn didnt have thick enough skin....The irony is Shawn did those parodies of Hogan who was or is the biggest star in history at one point...If you can make fun of Hogan like that at that time anyone is fair game....I still think it would have been fun to see Stevie go out there as Shawn and do nothing but super kicks for an entire match....to top it off he cant pin the guy...The match finally ends when the opponent runs himself into an exposed buckle or something which finally puts him down for the count
If only HBK wasn’t an absolute dick to Stevie, this might have been in the cards.
@@SketchBlakely I guess having Carlito throw insults at HBK is not cool.
Sick of the Political Correctness
I cant take this channel seriously with those thumbnails.
Marketing 101 ... You Still commented ...
Dont judge a book by its cover
@@aaronpanesar Steven Tyler: Who ya goin' to love by your lover?
Sorry not sorry. Not gonna stop calling someone a jobber
Sounds like something a jobber would say.
Prick
@jasontodd1896 - It sounds woke to me. Don't call me Jobber! My pronoun is Enhancement talent! 🤣
So James Romero would be considered a RUclips Channel Jobber? He's not a horseman like Conrad Thompson.
I'm sure any difference of opinion sounds "woke" to a mouth breather like yourself @@TheKidFromYTown
Without jobbers(jabronis). Wrestling doesn't exist
im applying to a wrestling school right now with limited aspirations, aka i want to be a jobber, jobber is still one of the boys and gets to travel and perform. whats offensive about it
I disagree with Stevie on the point about other sports. Take pro basketball, for example. There are guys who are multi talented and can do multiple things on the court. But coachea will tell players their role. So they also get marginalized...
Also, dude could be playing lights out! but if someone's getting paid a lot more than him, he's not going to get the minutes even though he's out playing the higher paid player
@brandoni241 That really isn't true with basketball. There's been many instances where guys who have had amazing seasons being a 6man or coming off the bench. Suddenly they get starting rotation roles or are the leader of the team.
Most cases they get replaced within a couple of years because the coaches and GMs realized that the player was a flash in the pan player. Being multi talented doesn't mean you're capable of carrying a team. There's a difference between Jeremy Lin and Kevin Durant.
With pro wrestling, there's been many champions who have been crowned because of their "look". Wrestling is all about perception. Basketball is about actual skill and talent.
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In Kayfabe, it should be jobber if the guys a jobber that never wins a match. I thought they didn’t want us using terms like enhancement talent?
Hey, love the channel, but some of the thumbnails look like AI generated images of Stevie, or are otherwise overly photoshopped. Not a good look imho.
why do your thumbnails look like ai?
ai is enhancement talent for James Romero, they're not jobbers.
A jobber is a jibber, no matter what you call it. Take pride in being a jobber. Look at Al Snow and how over the Job Squad got. Nothing wrong with being a jobber
Pin me, pay me!
Al Snow has said in his seminar videos that he doesn't like the term jobber either
@@tullyDT yet he made his career off it. Did t seem to have a problem with it when he was getting the whole crowd to pop. Call it what you want, but a jobber is a jobber at the end of the day and there’s not a damn thing wrong with that. Without jobbers we would have never had many of the greats. Someone’s gotta lie down and count the lights
To change an ideology, you first need to recognize that it exists. Afterwards, you need to consciously work on changing it. Saying, "This is the way it is, and it won’t change," is never a good argument. Even though we’re talking about the silly world of professional wrestling, consider the civil rights movement. Change takes time and happens gradually. A good first step is to stop using that term; eventually, the ideology behind it will change. I’m glad that Dustin Rhodes spoke up. As a fan, I will do my small part and make a conscious effort to stop using that term.
Anyone else instantly just think of Test saying “heeeyyyy Joobbbeeerrr” 🤣
"Got any weeeed?"
I can say with total certainty, that I’ve never instantly thought of Test, in any scenario, in the multiverse.
Ever.
@@romanrhodes815only the homies know what we’re talking about bro! 🤣👊🏼
If you need "compassion", then you need to find a different job...there are people who would give everything to only just be a jobber
I needed to see this video because I didn’t know the term “jobber” actually hurt people’s feelings. He’s right tho, wrestling isn’t a meritocracy, and its dang frustrating when you see someone who is clearly better than everyone else never having a big moment.
Nowadays the IWC respects jobbers. Being the bottom of the rung of the biggest company is still being the top 1% in your profession. I just don't think it's an appropriate thing to use to insult talent, it's like the word "loser" in competitive sports. You don't really call an athlete a loser because the worst athlete on the field is better than any of the spectators.
Yup, this. I think the fans are a lot more respectful now. Hopefully being an asshole to wrestlers becomes unpopular
The issue is there was some guys that had the pressure of being a regular talent, while seemingly being regulated to a jobber. You never hear Brooklyn Brawler or Gilberg complain about being a jobber. Triple HHH was so insecure over losing to the Brooklyn Brawler he had to tell him backstage that his win didn't really count.
This is like people trying to change the term homeless
There's a major difference between "enhancement talent" and "jobber". A jobber is someone who goes out there simply to get beaten by their opponent. An enhancement talent is some who can actually make another wrestler look great. For example I would consider someone like Dolph Ziggler as an enhancement talent, he can make any opponent look like a million bucks.
That is hoe you definitely the difference and that is simply how it should be.
Tbh I would look at them interchangeably. Wwe have long called unsigned guys and girls who job 'enhancement' e.g doesn't matter whether rhea just get beat up. The point is they perform that role in order to make the so-called star look better.
Samoa Joe and Aj Styles were enhancement talents/jobbers to the lower card guys back in the day. No shame in it.
Dolph is also a jobber.
And Jobbers job has always been making the stars look better, it was never just losing all the time.
@@LiftandCoa No, theres a difference between what Dolph does and what some guy hired just to get squashed does,
There is no difference whatsoever snd everyone who claims there is, is knowingly lying
@@DarranKern So is Shawn Michaels a Wrestlemania jobber?
When I hear the term "jobber" I think of Iron Mike Sharpe. I never saw him win a match, but he always looked like a credible opponent. Big, athletic, couldn't be blown up, played to the cheap seats. The term is commonly used to denigrate someone's perceived "spot" but remember, losing the match (or winning the match, for that matter) is doing the job.
Al Snow described and explained the term “jobber” better than anyone I’ve ever heard. I recommend checking out that video due to how well he articulates it.
It hurts no one to not refer to pro wrestlers as jobbers in literally anyway. All it does is make wrestlers feel like 'fans' don't respect them.
Stevie had a nice run *leading* RTC. Not only did he have a good in-ring career, but he's blown most of these "non-jobbers" out of the water with his post-wrestling life.
People will throw around “mid-carder” as an insult these days too. Some people are always looking to put others down.
About 2:30 in, Stevie talks about how "they don't want to invest in you until they see you're durable." One thing ive seen throughout the years is that the worst thing you can do in WWE is get hurt when they're about to push you. It will take years to recover (if ever.)
There is no such thing as a jobber. There are professional wrestlers who just happen to find themselves at the mercy of unscrupulous referees, dastardly heels breaking the rules, or monster specimens who are an unstoppable force of nature that no normal man can hope to beat.
The thing is that "jobber" is not traditionally a word that guys in real wrestling companies used. They were "squash guys," and most top guys appreciated the majority of them. "Enhancement talent" is one of Vince's neologisms to avoid using any wrestling terminology. I like Dustin's angle though. Everyone should be enhancing everyone else. Winners should be making losers look good as well as the other way round.
Oh cool more words people have used forever with no issues that we're suddenly not allowed to say anymore. Always fun.
So here is my thing. I’m a black man. And like most black people, I do not appreciate nor condone people outside of my race using the N-word. But it was hypocritical of me to use the word myself and then expect the people around me to not use it. So I stopped using that word and haven’t said it out loud in 10 or so years. I do not understand the trepidation with using the word “jobber” because it’s a term that came from wrestlers. But I also can’t understand or appreciate it the same way that Dustin or Stevie can. So, out of respect for wrestlers and regardless of my lack of understanding, I will not use that word again.
An old school term I appreciate is "carpenter." Someone who builds something.
AEW uses the term "Extras"
Soon the term "plant" will be offensive to use toward fans that are plants in the crowd since it degrades plants.
I think Bryan Danielson is one of the best for being a multiple world champion in different companies, but also had that infamous 15 second loss. Even before that, his first year in WWE was a lot of losing. However, whatever role he was in, he killed it.
You have a fantastic podcast, Stevie! Way to go. It's fun to see the business through your eyes because you're so transparent. Keep going!
I love how easily the fans are able to work the talent by calling them jobbers, lmao.
It's easy to work anyone by trying to downplay the job and the effort that goes into it.
Oh you're a computer programmer? that's not a real job you just sit on your ass all day looking at a screen
Oh you're a garbage man? What a loser, going around picking up trash you should have studied harder
Oh you're a big shot manager? you just sit in the office doing nothing while everyone else does the real work
Oh you're a bricklayer? So what? Anyone can stack a bunch of bricks you could even do your job if someone else didn't design the house for you and drive the crane to lift the bricks up onto the scaffold that you didn't build.
You're a pilot? There's no skill in that job anymore with all the modern computer systems the plane flies itself
etc etc etc
I wanted to hear about the story about Stevie sparring Kane. Apparently, Stevie and Kane were good friends and played video games together. I want to hear about their friendship.
No matter what you call them, The Brooklyn Brawler, Iron Mike Sharpe and the others should be in the WWE Hall of Fame
To me the words sound like: jobber is contracted, enhancement talent is freelance.
I seem to remember there was a Bugs Bunny cartoon a long time ago which was wrestling themed and at one point Bugs mutters to himself (about his opponent) "What a jabronaroni!"
I could never intentionally use the term jobber as offensive.... It aligns you next to a guy like Al Snow. Dude started the J.O.B. Squad. Being part of the group of guys "doing the job" should be some of the most respected guys. especially if they are doing GOOD or REALLY GOOD jobs. Plus you're never locked into being a jobber. It's possible to break out of that role.
Basically, guys like Al Sow ad Stevie made me respect "Jobbers", and I no longer see them as just the guys who lose matches but to me they are enhancement talent. Jobber just takes less syllables to say.
I want to see Jobbers/enhancement talents in the hall of fame. There isn't enough appreciation for those who made so many others look good on their way up. People are too focused that status on the card = merit as a performer, that goes for fans but also those in the office.
Job guy to me is no more offensive than "jobbing actor"
He is there to do a job. The meaning has changed a bit over the years now everyone and their mother is signed to a contract but tbh isn't it better and more concise than me saying "a match between two guys who never win or mean anything to the show"
I'd rather say jobber. If people choose to have a loaded opinion of what it means, that's their choice. I don't attribute the same meanings.
So, people who worked with Kevin Dunn would be referred to production jobbers? Maybe production enhancement talent so it is less offensive.
@@roccojamison89gooker51It's wrestling!
@@ButWhatIfItIs It's sports entertainment enhancement talent.
Ok maybe we should go back to calling them carpenters like the old days
Well, according to Kevin Nash, Arn Anderson does have average carpentry skills.
Didn't Bobby "The Brain" Heenan call them Ham N' Eggers? That seems worse. I do love your take on the subject Stevie. That being said, some of my favorite wrestlers were "jobbers": Barry O, The Thunderfoots & Jake "The Milkman" Millman
Yeah, but Heenan was a heel commentator. It makes more sense for his character to speak in a more obnoxious manner.
Not sure what Brian Heenan said
IMO, a jobber is not someone who always loses but someone who has no other role, no real character, like an extra in a film. Examples were Duane Gill (pre-Gillberg), PJ Walker, Reno Riggins. Jobbers have been pretty rare in televised wrestling over the last few
Can't say botch anymore, can't say jobber anymore, all the wrestlers were fine with these terms until the fans started using them.
Its funny to hear a former member of the JOB Squad agreeing with this thought. He kind of helped perpetuate the nickname. 😐
Jobber, enhancement talent... does not matter. If your job is to go out and lose and in the process make the other guy look good. That is a skill.
Like any technical or medical term, anything that can be construed as lesser than eventually becomes a pejorative. It's just the natural order of words.
Been years but I’ve hung out w some top guys, what happened to they appreciated it when you don’t say work, shoot….,except for the occasional “mark” after saying something stupid. I knew how to work it in hardly ever.
I like how dutch calls them carpenters
Dutch would be considered a carpenter when compared to Dutch in the movie Predator.
Yes, words have connotations, and the word enhancement is a word with a positive connotation as it means to further the quality or value of something . So yes, calling someone an enhancement talent is a more accurate and respectful term because its existing connotation is positive.
The jobber title is kind of funny really because you guys nailed it. It's work. You don't win or loose it's an office call, the writers call. Even Razor Ramon said in an interview years ago he would have been extremely happy to have had Barry Horotwitz's role and loose every night.
Lose indeed.
Wrestling fans will stip calling wrestlers jobbers when wrestlers stip calling wrestling fans marks. Neither one should offend the other, but if it does, both should stop not just one way.
I’d buy Stevie a beer at the airport if I ever ran into him. Seems like a solid dude!
Since when do fans not like Jobbers anyway? Remember how OVER the *J.O.B. Squad* was?
Steve Lombardi was the ultimate jobber. He was so good at it they gave him a character. He was great at putting others over. Most wrestlers start at that level. Look at the Hardy’s.
My issue which I see every now and then is the non star wrestlers brought up for someone to obliterate and they can’t seem to handle the bumps safely. Yeah you are going to get your rear handed to you but sell it like you died. Don’t actually die.
I don't understand the confusion over 'jobber' being used as a pejorative. Sure, wrestling is pre-determined, and a wrestler never really 'loses' - however, most wrestlers don't enter the industry to be an enhancement talent. All wrestlers want to be at the top of the card, and drawing the most money - hence the dismissive attitude to those who are at the lower end of the totem pole.
it may sound "offensive" but this is how wrestling works,or just any form of entertainment.
You should check out comedian George Carlin on "soft language"
As good as that bit was, George forgot that the only reason it changes is because we have this habit of MAKING the term derogatory and an insult regardless.
George Carlin was more than an enhancement comedian.
Lots of jobbers are more talented than the main eventers. Making your opponent look great is the most important job in that career
I think of the term jobber to mean guys on syndicated shows who lost a match in a few minutes and never had expectation for anything else
A jobber, was typically a local guy who was brought in to lose. They usually were not muscular or anything either. Most of the time they were very new to wrestling. Stevie was not a jobber in WWE. It is silly he never got more of a break though since he seemed to be clean living and level headed.
Everyone is a jobber. No one has ever went over in every match they had.
How good stevie is , he can talk nonstop without even thinking.
Barry Horowitz needs a WSI podcast. "Barry's Enhancement Hour"
Dustin’s been a jobber for 30 years ofc he’s sick of the term
The thing is he’s not a jobber with his win/loss record. 1652 wins and 1059 losses…
@@Jeff-ge3vjOdd that he still gets remembered as one, huh
@@Jeff-ge3vj 1652 sounds like the number of days Nailz describe spending behind bars in one of his promos.
Dustin lost to Jack Perry, who is also a jobber. They’re all jobbers.
Mr.Wrestlemania HBK is 6-11 at Wrestlemania. Does this mean he’s a Wrestlemania jobber?
The Show Stopping Jobber
Missed opportunity to call this show "Stevie Night Heat" when discussing controversial topics.
Then WWE would seek to get that channel pulled from RUclips
"Enhancement Talent" is too many extra syllables
It doesn't read as simple as "Cat In The Hat" or "Go Dog, Go."
no disrespect to anyone, but i respect the hell out of job guys, the dudes who come in day in and day out and do their job.
Seriously this is ridiculous, every job has specific roles/classes, opener, mid card and main event and unfortunately not everyone can be a main eventer and not everyone is good enough to be the mid card. Sounds like a participation awards is whats being asked for.