DEBUNKING Madara vs Aizen DEATHBATTLE | BLEACH
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Another funny thing is that Gin true Bankai reduced Aizen to nothingness and the Hogyoku willed him back into existence. How tf would Madara beat that?
Exactly
because nothing is stronger in death battle then the bigger fanbase
@@LimitlessApostle it like you didn't even watch the naruto or bleach not paid attention to every detail the was presented
@@GojosBackHand Excuse you?
@@GojosBackHand We're talking about a ninja zombie against second to smartest person in bleach who was also capable of creating a dwarf star just for shits and giggles AND not forgetting the fact that he's basically immortal AND the fact that his reiatsu is just too large, For example; His reiatsu was used as a padlock for the gates of hell, His reiatsu alone could crush the espada And His reiatsu could literally floor people. Safe to say, His presence alone would have gotten rid of that shinobi army.
If people took the time to do the research they would know that Aizen vs Madara isn’t even fair in all actuality. Aizen solos the naruto verse.
Nope. Tsunades pig ez claps Aizen.
@@darkstorm7780 Yeah since that Otsutsuki is Outerversal they could clap Aizen
@@Ophion644 Nope shadow clone can destroy, trick okosutasi, they ar nothing😂
@@sorrybroo8303 Damn, so that one Ostrich in filler is stronger than Momoshiki. Why are animals in this series so OP smh.
@@Ophion644 Even kaguya get tricked easily and isshiki also its canon btw
Let me remind you that Mayuri literally replaced all of his organs with fake ones to fight Szayelaporro, Yhwach rematerialized his entire body the first time Ichigo killed him, and none of the above were enough to get around Kyoka Suigetsu. So it doesn't matter if you acquire new senses because that already happened in Bleach and it did nothing.
We don't actually know if Mayuri would have still been under KS tho. He never fought Aizen, he was stuck in Hueco Mundo during the final battle. It was also Mayuri who designed the chair that was containing Aizen (though that does go to show that even he could not kill Aizen).
@@Redhollow If Mayuri had found a way to counter Aizen's biggest ace against Gotei 13, trust me, he would not have been sent to Hueco Mundo lol
@@olo703 Maybe that's true, but that's still headcanon on your end. Maybe they assumed they could have handled him on their own (with Ichigo's help) and they left Mayuri to work on his zombification project.
@@Redhollow The fate of the Soul Society has priority over scientific miscellanea. And it's not headcanon when Byakuya exposes Mayuri's faith in Ichigo.
@@olo703 that entire first sentence is your opinion, lol. The entire reason the 12th division exists in the form that it does now is for scientific progression.
Your second sentence only further reaffirms my point. If Mayuri has faith in Ichigo (and everyone else fighting), why would he bother creating a system to neg KS? Mayuri does what he wants, that's the kind of character he is. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ignored orders and continued to do his own research until he had absolutely no choice. He kills his own squad members regularly anyways.
I love how death battle thought that the truth seeking balls were impressive cause they could erase the souls but most attacks in bleach can do that since they’re soul based attacks and it’s a really minor thing that bugged me but it shows a lack in understanding of bleach
Ikr they i think they made that video in drunk😂
The most nameless Zanpakuto can destroy soul so a truth seeker orb wouldn’t be shit if they actually effected souls to begin with
the problem is that.s not how they work they earse exitence not the soul but it would have the same out come but there is a massive diffrence in how hax it is
Xd
@@drama8335 that's the exact same, if your soul erased you will no longer exist
@@ratio8099 how is being able to earse the soul the same as being able to erase everything from existence as an example if you just erase the soul the body is stil left this erases any trace of your exitence not really compareble to a soul destroying attack and destroying something is not the same as erasing it
Aizen: literally cannot die
Madara: dies from getting normal stabbed from behind
Right!!😭😭😭
We can all agree Aizen wins, but Madara wasn't dead when he got holed by zetsu
that’s not what killed madara raging bleach tard your just salty aizen sucks and bleach is canceled
@@nice-view428 you mad huh😂
@@nice-view428 the next season comes out this year tho
I keep telling people. Naruto has got people brainwashed. It was cool at first but now their delusional and refuse to accept someone is stronger then their characters. You gained a sub. The detail on this is incredible
Not only that the story got horrible during Shippuden
One could say the same for dragon ball fans
Naruto fans think he can beat goku and saitama in a fight lol
@@dscholes which Naruto fans? No Naruto fan thinks that. Goku and Saitama are monsters compared to anyone in the Narutoverse. Even Krillin would be too much for Naruto at his strongest to handle.
@@jjmeteor they talk crap about naruto latest transformation gives him the power to insta anyone so they were going on some insane rant about naruto being the bestest there ever was 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The thing is that even in his strongest form, Madara will die if someone manages to extract the 10 tails out of his belly so he isnt truly inmortal.
In the case of Aizen, Gin separated the hogyoku from his body and yet it resurrected him and made him stronger.
Also, comparing Aizen with a mere Edo tensei is degrading for such a OP character like him.
Aizen > Madara
I think its funny that Madara doesn't even use his own powers... Edo tensei + hashirama cells + ten tails.
His sharingan power's are only possible due to the regeneration from hashirama cells. He would have gone blind from a couple uses of perfect susanoo without them.
All these buffs (which are considered godly in the naruto verse), and yet Madara still doesn't stand a chance to Aizen.
Except you're wrong. Obito survived ten tails extraction quite comfortably and it's well weaker than Madara...
Dude Aizen was sealed by a low level attack. Naruto and Sasuke would have needed to create an object a little smaller than the moon to seal Madara.
@@dominicsommer7187
Bro what? Madara has EMS? He wouldn't go blind, you don't go blind with EMS...
@@jacobday3826
No jinchuriki can live very long after the tail beast is extracted from him.Hagoromo even confirmed it when they saw Madara at the gates of deaths.
Aizen was sealed only because he let his enemies sealed him. Deep down in his heart, he wanted to be defeated (and the hogyoku just materialize its deepest wishes) and those seals only worked on him because Aizen didnt want to become .more stronger after Ichigo attack and returned him to his base form.
The issue with Death Battle is they take two characters from series of vastly different power scales, and somehow try to "balance" them out. It's not happening. That's literally like taking Goku and comparing him to say... Gon from Hunter x Hunter. It's not even close, because the way their series scale their power is just not comparable.
and different real-world rules too like the saitama vs popeyes they put an anime character against a cartoon character that fallows no real-world rules so that's an easy guess to who wins that battle cartoon characters no matter what if a cartoon gets hurt all they need to do is turn it into something funny after that they will look like they never got hurt in the first place
@@dragon3871 or if they made Superman fight Tom and Jerry, and Tom and Jerry win because they can’t die
@@seenl6eight258 you got that right no matter what if a cartoon character went against a person who follows the real world rules there's no point in waiting for the video where they're fighting to find out who wins the fight it will always be a cartoon the only way to kill them is unless they use the liquid from the movie who framed roger rabbit
No, they only balance them out if the winners is so obvious, and if one character 100% can’t win at all. A good example would be Peter Griffin vs Optimus Prime. They also sometimes do this to piss people off.
Another thing to debunk is that they had Madara survive Kurohitsugi, which had gravity so strong that reduced a cityblock to near nothingness. A feat of 200billion G(Remember 100 G was a huge deal in Dragon Ball Z lmao), something that resembles the gravity on the surface of a neutron star. Yet Kaguya, whom is above Madara, was struggling to keep on her knees on her dimension with slightly increased gravity that even Sakura and Kakashi could survive.
Where are you getting these numbers from? Naruto was made by a man with creativity not some astrophysicist
@@clientwolf3637 The numbers pertain to Bleach, not Naruto. They come from observing what happened to the building rubble and the black monsters after Aizen performed the spell. You need an approximate of that amount of gravity to seemingly erase that amount of mass.
It's not a problem with Naruto. The problem is Death Battles glossing over Hado 90 and ignoring its real power, and then having Madara tank it with Susanoo like it's no big deal.
@@clientwolf3637 Sasuke has a stronger Susanno than Madara had in Boruto and gets bodied by a kick. DB is a joke and after hearing Madara won I made sure not to watch it.
@@jaycespades8360 same
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Another weird scaling thing between the fanbases that Naruto hardcores won't touch:
Base Grimjow used a Gran Ray Cero, stated to be a threat to Hueco Mundo, and it ripped a fissure in dimensional fabric as a secondary effect.
Ichigo blocked that with his Sword.
Meanwhile H2 Ichi (who just broke through reality btw) barely managed to cut pre-transformed Aizen with a full on Getsuga.
Then Aizen kept scaling up through the fight and the rest of the series at a geometric rate.
Guy uses a technique that bends space, but doesn't rip it or break it.. And nearly obliterated Mads the second he landed. How does that version of Madara tank Aizen slapping him around with sheer hands? Makes no sense.
Aizen was impressed with himself because he thought he was blowing apart mountains. Madara in base used his Susano'o to unsheath its sword, which uncapped a mountain range...
@@jacobday3826 no he was impressed because he thought the pressure from his only physical attack (which is usually useless in bleach) destroyed the mountain top if you watched bleach literally any random espada could bend space and rip dimensions with attacks. aizen could clap any espada easily and then he evolves 4 times in that range. then ichigo evolves so hard above him he couldnt sense him. then by end of series aizen is argueably stronger than a full power true bankai soul king candidate ichigo so you cant use that as an anti-feat
@@Lsocs anything you do bends space considering gravity is merely a force that impacts the fabric of reality.
@@jacobday3826 Yeah using his giant susanoo which is slow af and he was trying to do that to flex, while Aizen and Ichigo are casually swinging their swords making near mountains disappeared from their clashing, not slicing but completely erasing, and they wasn’t even trying.
@@kenny_green5962
There's no reason to think susano'o are slow? The speed of the susano'o is relative to other Naruto characters which are pretty fast.
They were definitely trying, or at least Aizen was as he was trying to test his power and there were several points he got annoyed and tried to hurt Ichigo (he definitely didn't go all out, he just put a little extra effort into those swings).
There were so many problems with that deathbattle fight.
1. It should've ended the moment Aizen dismembered then stabbed Madara. Aizen is a Shinigami, whereas DB decided to use Madara in his reanimated form. Aizen could've easily exorcised Madara out of that body since sending souls was his job for many years.
2. Given what they think Truth Seeking Orbs are able to do, the moment Aizen attacked Madara while he was reanimated should've done permanent damage seeing as Aizen attacks does exactly the same thing Truth Seeking Orbs would do.
3. Madara without someone being around to bring him back to life should never have been able to become a 6 paths sage. And in that battle, he just spontaneously brought himself back to life then became a sage.
4. At the end of the day, Aizen is still a spiritual being able to disintegrate anything that touches him after reaching his pre-butterfly form. Madara still has a physical body that hasn't shown to have resistance to spirit pressure. In other words, the moment Madara put's his hands on Aizen is the moment he probably should've lost it. His Truth Seeking Orbs is probably the only tool he has that could possibly touch Aizen.
Kyoka Suigetsu and immortality was already covered in this video so I won't waste time going over that. All I can say is that you definitely can tell that Deathbattle has some personal bias in that fight...
Edo tensei madara is immortal are you dumb?
So true, and they basically said that truthseeking orbs hurt Minato Edo tensei, something with a physical body, so they can hurt an actual spiritual being. Aizen slams tbh, and they really downplayed Aizen just so Madara could win because of a bit of personal bias it seems, also Madara can't get the ten tails and hashirama cells on his own so that is classed as outside help whereas Aizen created the hogyoku, so he can use it, and the hogyoku also fulfills the desires of the user, so wish granting pretty much. In addition, kyoka suigetsu isn't some little genjutsu that affects chakra flow, as it is a perfect illusion that affects the five senses and not the flow of energy or chakra in a person's body, so Madara wouldn't be able to break out of that. Genjutsu wouldn't work on him because the ones he can use using their justification are not strong enough and Aizen can flex his spiritual pressure or evolve to be unaffected by genjutsu with the hogyoku, there is just no way on god's green earth that Madara has a chance of winning
Madara cant even see aizen and 5 problem fanboyd of madara
@@銀メダリストhe's literally a soul attached to a reanimated body so yeah aizen could easly perform a konso and send him on his way. not to mention aizen has a stronger healing/regen factor, true immortality and outclasses madara in virtually every category besides raw AP. Madara has 0 chance.
Madara's hax doesn't work on Aizen who has already evolved to higher dimensional being. Remember this logic which is "low dimensional hax is useless to higher dimensional being".
he never did read bleach again if your a bleach fan you disgsust me
@@drama8335 I miss the part where that is my problem.
@@drama8335 nasty naruto fan at it again
@@drama8335 Go watch ur trash narutard series
@@drama8335 Nobody said he said that dipshit, they simply said that low dimensional hax don't work on high dimensional beings which is a fact 3d hax don't work on 4d beings
Honestly, they're on whole different scales of power. Pre Hogyoku Aizen might've been a more interesting matchup, but when Aizen is tussling with the big boys like Almighty Yhwach and True Bankai Ichigo, they're quite literally universes appart. It's not even a knock against Madara either, Madara is a man, Aizen is a spirit turned evil butterfly demon turned transcendent god with a wish granting ball inside his chest, it's an unfair comparison to begin with.
It's like making The Mumen Rider fight Saitama at the level where he nearly destroyed the universe. 'Unfair" is an understatement, I think what you're looking for is ***"complete dominance assertion"***
funny thing is.. yhwach couldnt even kill aizen, no one in the verse we have seen can kill aizen which is actually insane.
Yhwach definitely would've killed him even tho it'll take time and time he did not have. And to be able to come back after being absorbed in the final battle as he narrates the ending of bleach really makes it all the more ironic that a Shinigami of THAT level fought, got absorbed by someone FAR above him and lived to tell the tale.
@@primordial994a even more funny thing was ywach breaking free of the illusion was the best thing he has accomplished and was very proud of
Note said by a god that can erase 4 universes
Also no he can kill aizen and his hogyuko inside him as stated by him can destroy many hogyuko
Pls prove me if I'm wrong
Sounds like u only watched bleach or don’t comprehend madara scaling at all. Madara massively surpasses even Yhwach
The one other thing that was mentioned in the anime and in the manga was that of course Aizen is immortal, no questions asked he was practically tanking attacks just because he wanted to. Madara however did the same thing but at certain points though when fighting Guy, he even mentioned if he took a certain attack and a certain angle he would be concerned cause he would die so so that's the other thing they didn't mentioned
If we take Aizen's strongest version and Madara's strongest version,one became immortal and the other gave up on his "immortality" (Madara undid his Reanimation Jutsu).
@@odyssey4483 But reanimating isn’t even immortality especially when fighting a shinigami.
@@namelessvoid9725 that is regeneration not real immortality. Those are 2 different things
@@namelessvoid9725 and that is in that almost immortal mode he almost lost to guy. A regular human, who is really good and melee combat and put his life on a stake
Madara can kick the crap out of aizen and seal him easily since Aizen's immortal. Remember Aizen was a mere mountain buster until blood war while Madara has always been planetary+++++ to universal and above the entire time.
Death battle is the definition of “I’m dumb but I’ll try sounding smart so you think I’m smart in a way to convince you that I’m correct”
Aizen solos tho
I dunno what’s worse: Death Battle or CBR
There’s one CBR article that says Goku beats Deku but loses to Endeavor
CBR it is@@seenl6eight258
They aren’t dumb but be the actual dumb person who doesn’t know the truth on Death Battle.
@@seenl6eight258 Only Deku wrecks Kid Goku
@@waluigifantoychicaac358kid goku solos the entire mha verse easily lol
Wow, that's actually an amazing covering of Bleach feats.
Fun fact, DeathBattle did a Q&A and answered questions about their verdict... It was awful. They literally said, no fucking joke, that the Hogyoku only gave Aizen power boosts and therefore would not adapt to Madara's hax. FFS.
Even though the Hogyoku regened his body after getting hit by a Hax from Gin, who even removed his Hogyoku?
Yup....
By the way, I discovered this on screw attack's commentary of this Death Battle which proves your point.
This is why Madara won this Death Battle:
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@@espurrseyes42 when you’ve got a fan base as toxic and big as Naruto, nothing can stop it, not even gods
I think we can all agree that eyeballs in animes are getting out of control. Both of them were written to be OP AF to keep their stories going and have too many loop holes they can use. I honestly feel that Aizen would just consider the fight insignificant and just not even deal with it or just research the matter for 10000 years and figure out how to kill him. Scariest shit with Aizen is that insane IQ.
@@seenl6eight258 true dat...narutards are the most violent beings to ever exist
You did awesome research, I needed this, screwattack triggered me so badly by making that death battle, it was so wrong. This has reassured me that Aizen definitely would've won that fight against Madara.
U got triggered over a fight😭
@@SonnyDa3rd Pardon me a flesh and blood human for being annoyed with a battle that didn't go how I thought it would.
@@idiosyncrasy6941 ye, ur living life😂nothing always goes ur way shouldn’t be a shocker
@@SonnyDa3rd Whatever you say pumpkin. 🙄
@@idiosyncrasy6941 don’t pumpkin me 😒
Just think of it this way. They have to make EOS Naruto characters fight against mid season bleach characters. That within itself let’s you know they understand Naruto characters are a lot weaker than bleach characters.
Fodder shinigami is alot stronger tho, they fighting hollow daily
What mid season characters? If your talking about vasto lorde then no, it's feats are non canon. Just because an author works on it doesnt mean its canon. Kindergarten logic.
@@livingrentfree9596 you can’t prove his feats are non canon plus if the author says the depiction is correct then it’s correct. Unless perhaps you know more about the Bleach storyline and characters than Tite Kubo… Nowhere online has he said VLI feats aren’t canon that’s strictly narutards trying to nerf VLI. Which in itself shows you know narutoverse is fodder compared to Bleachverse. VLI isn’t even Ichigos final form, he’s way stronger now.
@@jaycespades8360 Unless your talking about VLI during ulqiorra fight then everything else is non canon. Plus the ulqiorra stuff isn't even biju tier in the Narutoverse. Ichigo beats Naruto, I don't deny that. But the shit yall bleach fans try to come up with to say "Ichigo stomps the entire verse in his suppressed bankai" or shit like that is ridiculous.
@@livingrentfree9596 only Biju that put up good fights are 8/9 tail all the others were fodderized. Madara bodied all of them without his eyes and he’s not the strongest person in Naruto. They’re overrated because they’re fighting human ninjas. They’re like Menos Grande in the Bleach verse stop exaggerating. The Menos Grande would terrorize the narutoverse even worse than the Biju.
I've been a Naruto and Bleach fan for years and I've got to say. There is no way Madara could beat Aizen or Naruto could beat Ichigo. Aizen and Ichigo are simply too powerful for anyone in the Naruto universe. I mean, Ichigo in the Soul Society Arc gained the level of Captain in just a few days. These Captains have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. Not to mention that a Vasto Lorde is considered to be beyond the level of Captain. So Ichigo going into his Vasto Lorde form would destroy everything around him.
If I recall correctly, and its been a few years since I last looked into this, Vasto Lordes are so ridiculously powerful that even post Soul Society Aizen was hesitant to fight one without taking full advantage of Kyoka Suigetsu, hell, he even thought that Vasto Lorde Ichigo would be a worthy test of his abilities with the Hogyoku. Oh, and when it comes to Ichigo during the Soul Society Arc, wasn't his spirital pressure stated to be equivalent to a Captain's right after his match with Kenpachi while he was still beat to shit and prior to achieving Bankai?
Well.... Mugetsu is pretty much the strongest that Ichigo ever was so ce he pretty much became like a 4D or 5D being so he's even stronger.
@@thegamerfe8751 actually True Shikai and Vasto Lorde are stronger than mugetsu but Mugetsu has the ability to destroy beings to a molecular level so if Ichigo wants to go that far he could use it
@@DIEFORME173 vasto lorde stronger than mugetsu? Source
I can argue with true shikai but vasto lorde.. stronger than mugetsu? Hell nah 💀
@@shotty5519 actually in terms of Explosive power yes mugetsu bodies vasto lorde ofc cause that ichigo fodderlizes aizen but vasto lorde and final aizen are more of a match since vasto lorde gets increasingly stronger Mugetsu ichigo is obviously on much stronger he can erase u down to a molecular level and Dangai ichigo outscales and powers
Madara: **needs the entire moon and the cells of man that died hundred years ago to trap everyone in an illusion**
Aizen: kyoka suigetsu **proceed to trap everyone in an illusion that they can't scape just using his sword**
nah, just by looking at aizen u already in his illusions
Lol Itachi, Kakashi, Sasuke, no different bro
spoilers:
in the war arc, he had merged with his zanpakuto, just LOOKING at him will make you fall under his hypnosis
@@Tr1pp1e very different, all aforementioned shinobi: "look into my eyes"
Aizen: "you saw my feet and are now trapped in my illusions."
@@Tr1pp1eit is maphaka
The thing that got me so annoyed is that they treated Aizens hypnosis like it's an off and on thing.
It will never cease to astonish me how an entire fanbase will argue for a beefed up scaling through the equivocation of Kaguya's parallel dimension having celestial bodies in it and the like and then immediately ignore the same rhetoric as soon as Yukio's fullbring demonstrates much the same abilities while Ichigo's mid series bankai transformation blew it up from the inside, *then* yap about how featless Bleach is in comparison or some other nonsense while ignoring how o.p. a random "shinagami" jutsu was in the canon the one time we saw it show up.
lol right?
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Kaguya never even created the Dimensions to those were fake translations
@@Chillchildren999 yeah she never created them...
This roughly translates to assembling space, in the context that this is being used it can also mean "spin" or "thread" kinda like taking a needle and your going to make something out of the thread that your going to use. So your already using pre existing materials, to assemble or create something.
If this is the case she's not actually creating the dimesnions, she's already using what's in existence. So it's not creation or destruction.
It's merely using something already there to rearrange where those objects are.
That’s what her ability aminominaka is about, it's a teleportqtion jutsu. You see a portal open and people go thru and come out the other end.
She's never been proven to create her dimensions within the actual anime or within the manga. Not anyone in the entire verse has created an entire dimension or universe. Not stated or shown.
I like Death Battle. Under normal circumstances, even if the choice is a little...sus, I'm willing to accept it. However, with this one they got BASIC facts about the Bleach Universe wrong. Like, they kept referring to Rukia as if she had a high standing in the Soul Society as a Soul Reaper, which simply isnt true. At the start of the story, shes unranked, which is why she was assigned to the World of the Living in the first place. True, in terms of power, shes actually at least a fourth seat, if not higher, but officially she was a mook. In fact, the fact that she was just a random, work a day Soul Reaper was the corner stone of why so many people ended up calling BS over the use of the Sogyoku.
exactly. hell i couldve accepted madara winning IF they hadnt pulled such bs.
I love both series so much and hell, I like Madara more than Aizen but it’s just appalling at how bad this death battle was. Which character is stronger never matters in a series but it gets on my nerves when people spread misinformation in any way. The strongest Naruto character are at best multi planetary while Yhwach in Bleach was going to destroy three universes, and the infinite space that surrounds them with ease. That should just show how different the series are in scaling. Aizen literally said he could shoot down basically Heaven, his offensive power is godlike compared to Madara and he is a true immortal who cannot die. All attacks in Bleach directly attacks the soul, Kisuke said this before the soul society arc and Ichigo before knowing Kisuke’s sword was a Zanpactou was like “that can’t hurt me” because unless a attack damages the soul itself it would be worthless against Soul Reapers and Arrancar, yet even then Aizen recovered from being disintegrated by Gin and completely turned to nothingness by Yhwach.
His Kyouka suigetsu is so powerful it literally controls every sense someone has, surpassing every genjutsu by far except maybe the Kotoamatsukami but even then it’s the difference between “let me use this power technique” and “hey you looked at me, I can control everything about you”, even allowing him to completely fool basically god, to be fair Yhwach wasn’t using the almighty but there’s no way that Madara would negate what soul king absorbed Yhwach couldnt without the almighty, plus there’s also the fact that the rinnegan doesn’t even negate genjutsu, only ocular genjutsu since it’s the most powerful eye in the series meaning even if Kyouka suigetsu wasn’t far beyond his scope of countering he still wouldn’t be able to negate it, powerwise Aizen is practically infinitely stronger than Madara in every regard for better or worse depending on ones opinion of how strong the series should be.
Like honestly, powerscaling is pretty stupid in the end, it’s pointless as can be but I just hate the fact that they represented a character I love poorly even if I like the other one more
Edit: everyone stop arguing with “Choppy Requiem” in the replies. It isn’t worth it, arguing with a blind idiot like him only brings you to his level. After all, what’s the saying? Something like “it’s impossible to argue with an idiot, they’ll just bring you down to their level and win with experience”. His argument is pretty much just “this series with multi continental feats is universal without any evidence and if you say otherwise you’re just a Bleachtard” while reflecting every valid criticism towards him and his argument. Just let him think he’s right about this. Him thinking he’s so smart won’t hurt anyone besides himself after all.
Well said the battle was bullshit
Great explanation and logic behind them. Couldn’t agree more.
Another Bleach Fanboy.
@@choppyhakusho not at all, Bleach and Naruto are both my favorite series but I’m not going to pretend like they’re equal in power for some stupid reason. The scale of the series are different, one is far stronger than the other and that’s it. Hell Bleach’s absurdly high scaling is one of the weakest points of it since it makes things way too absurd at times.
Like they are two different fictional universe, one about Ninja’s with the strongest enemy being a strong alien while the other is about Shinigami with the strongest enemy straight up being god. If I was a Bleach fangirl for this then by the same logic I would be a dbz fangirl if I said Goku solos One Piece
@@ayame8095 Yes at all. I like naruto and bleach but im not going to be bias im actually being honest. Naruto's Scaling is far superior. Honestly the boosts they get are ridiculous. Ninja's who tangled with enemies and facing people who've risen into god hood threatening the universe. While in bleach its about a boy finding his place and meaning and the world and defending it becoming a soul reaper fighting a powerful entity who became too strong to beat. If your a bleach fangirl then you clearly have bias. It's that simple.
I hate how they keep downplaying bleach characters just to let the weak Naruto characters to win
Thank you making a great video
Most of the bleach characters are weak.
@@GojosBackHand Fodder in bleach could solo naruto, tf do you mean?
@@a-sseater553 a fodder character isn’t beating jigen 💀u stretched it
@@SonnyDa3rd Well, i didn't include boruto because the power-scaling is weird af.
@@SonnyDa3rd Lol narutoverse finally got dragon ball type characters but even then they don’t mean a damn thing. Nobody in the naruto or boruto could even beat Barragan, gimme a name I dare you😂
One thing I want to say is that Genjutsu wouldn't work on 99% of Shinigami in cross battle verse as... "A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the *CHAKRA* flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses."
The key word in that quotation is Chakra. The thing is, Chakra is not a natural/universal energy system like Ki is in Dragon Ball for example.
It is literally stated in the anime and manga that Chakra is a alien energy that was introduced to earth by Kaguya. The anime showed that people were living on earth before Kaguya, perfectly fine without Chakra. Which basically means in a crossverse fight the only Shinigami who you could make a argument for having Chakra would be Earth born characters like Ichigo as the last time I checked, Soul Society=/=Earth. Even then it would be iffy for it to work on Ichigo as spiritual beings in Naruto seem to have immunity to Genjutsu.
Yep chakra come from tree god,not naruto earth, alien parasite want that tree god toget powerfull
@@sorrybroo8303 Yeah that's true and even the god tree is alien, as the first one landed as a seed from a meteorite. However it was Kaguya herself that indirectly gave Chakra to the Shinobi World.
what the fuck are you talkin about you know nothing. charkas are connect to ki chi holy spirit kundalini aka connected to the spirit you couldnt even function without it its all the same shit just different terminology for different cultures. ki is Japanese chi is Chinese chakras are Hindu . chakras are connected to your endocrine gland which are connected to your emotions. this is why alcohol is called spirits because it taps you into spirit so does weed.thats like saying you have chi and I have ki so you can't affect me smh its the same shit
@@khalilwilliams1818 I'm talking about how Chakra works in Naruto you illiterate moron. Chakra in Naruto isn't a like for like energy system to other Shonen series. As people in Narutoverse were not dependent on it before Kaguya landed on Earth.
@@-_-DatDude death battle clearly explained how raietsu and chakras are inter connected dummy
Truth Seeker Orbs hit the Fourth Hokage and he passed out. Somehow that’s supposed to kill Aizen. Even though he’s not a human soul or being at all?
Nameless zanpakuto=tsb😂
You wrong if you think aizen Is dumb enough to be hit with Truth Seeking Orbs Plus He's not the only one who has the ability to heal not only heal the ability to control REALITY ITSELF
@@PassingTimeDokkan The only reason the 4th Hokage couldn't heal is because that edo tensei move is a chakra ability. Aizen doesn't even use chakra.
All of you are missing the important point, it's that Bleach abilities are ALL SOUL BASED! So TSO comes off as just another ability that erases abilities, it's akin to a Fullbringer member being able to use such an ability. Wow.. how impressive.
There is other point that people seem to forget, even if Aizen were to fall into a Sharingan illusion, he would be able to fight Madara with no problem, like he did Shinji who also has the power to control the seances.
shinji was probably under kyokasuigetsu but its still a stomp for aizen
@@GrayMinemanLOL he was aizen said he we was
@@sonickiller2381 yea i don’t remember clearly its been a while since i finished bleach😅
To be fair, I dont think that was Aizen. I'm fairly sure he'd switched with Momo at that point, or the whole thing was just Aizen fucking with Shinji.
Shinjis weak as illusion is nothing compared to the most basic genjutsu
Don't forget that it was stated that Yamamoto's bankai could burn the entire seireitei which roughly has the circumference of half the moon basically making aizen some what moon buster level out of scaling and I do feel like they ignored this as well in the ichigo vs naruto fight but that's just me
Edit : I checked the manga panel again and Unohana hinted at how yamamoto could (given time) brun the entire soul society which is universal side or planet sized depending on interpertation
Its confirmed in the anime that the bankai was at 13,000,000°C and was was literally being tanked by a fake yhwach. There no enitity in naruto defending that.
15, 000,000 degrees Celsius
Subbed and well deserved my friend. I love people who talks with the facts. Not only opinion but showing the context itself.
Gg my man, we need more people like you who actually appericiate Bleach and understands its potential and power, you deserve sub for this flawless representation of how big difference in power is between Bleach and Naruto, keep up the good work
I was so shocked Aizen losing like he did that shit ain’t happening bro💀 aizen solos Narutoverse
Even madara himself says aizen solos narutoverse
He should've said "Kyoka Suigetsu, Shatter"
@@smananderson09 and that proves it. even the guy he fought is admitting it.
Itachi could beat aizen
Illusions dont work on a mastered sharingan
12:20 right here is something no one likes to talk about when scaling KS due to the insane feat it has while debating after the death battle I asked the guy could genjutsu do the exact same thing to yhwach that KS did in terms of manipulating every possible timeline yhwach could see he had no response 🤷🏽♂️
LOL
And the point is that KS can trick a Sharingan into thinking that it's functioning, since KS hypnosis and Genjutsu work differently
Kon, regarding on what you said about KS. I wanna add a feat that KS works on the Espada members, who can have hundreds of millions of souls within them as stated in the bleach novels.
The Arrancars have no individuality since they are created by hundreds upon hundreds of hollows coming together. This means its affecting every senses of the hollows inside the arrancar themselves.
The fact that adjucas are formed when one soul in a Guillian overtakes the other thousands upon thousands of souls that makes up a Menos Grande is insane. It's like forcing your whole town to move how you want to move by pure force of will.
I mean, Aizen used KS against Barragan in the flashback
@@Chadfill8348 and blud had no eyes to begin with, so it made it all the more impressive.
Madara is below Kaguya who can create a dimension with few stars&multiple suns/moons in the OVA(cannon btw) which at best puts her at low solar system level
Aizen in his monster form is 3d(above all Shinigamis which includes Bankai Yamamoto who's above Gremmy fight Kenpachi who's multi galaxy since he destroyed the galaxy room which contained 3 galaxies) then said he gained powers like Mugetsu who was 4d(universal)
The space time continuum statements are inconsistent with Kaguya so i won't use them
And it doesn't matter since Madara is below a being that is max at solar system level(not taking to account the inconsistent space time statements with Kaguya bc it would cause usage of too much headcannon) and Aizen in the TYBW had much better showings vs post Reo Mimiagi absorbed Yhwach (with the all mighty activated) then True Shikai Ichigo who's>~Mugetsu so that alone makes Aizen low Multiversal+
So Aizen stomps Madara regardless unless Madara had a resistance to Kyokasuigetso which usually depends on Reiatsu/spiritual energy which Aizen with his Reiatsu alone can destroy the Soul King realm
And Aizen is a Kido master that actually was able to use some hand to hand combat vs Kisuke Yoruichi Isshin and has infinite speed scaling while Madara is MFTL
so Aizen doesn't even need Kyokasuigetso
Bleach characters overall scales higher the statements are more consistent then what they're in Naruto
That’s probably the best explanation I have seen regarding that topic
and the aizen fighting ywach is still partially sealed
@@liancao7163 yes but the main thing that restrained his Reiatsu was the chair
Aizen was impressed he was destroying mountain. Madara unsheated his Susano'o sword and decapitated an entire mountain range casually...
Also Aizen's hypnosis relies on the eyes. Which is funny because the base level Sharingan can resist visual hypnosis. Let alone the MS. Let alone the EMS, let alone the Rinnegan. Let alone the Rinne-Sharingan.
And there's nothing to suggest Aizen can't be put under a genjutsu.
Good try though. :)
@@jacobday3826 just listen to 9:40 is shows how genjutsu won’t work good try though :)
You know what’s crazy technically everyone in bleach was faster then light since the soul society arc because rangiku dodged a beam of light when aizen was dipping so everyone was just faster then naruto is
yup she did + I believe Hisagi did too & he was nearly drained of all his reiatsu by Yumichika a little while ago earlier but still did it.
No everyone isn't faster than light.
@@bleachfade1520 who isn’t and why
@@bleachfade1520 the Lt's are + some 3rd seats
@@Crunchysopa52 my question is do you think they are gonna show their feats? I’d say sure but they would at least have to become soul society arc level at least to rangikus level because of power leveling in the series
I don't get why people get mad about it tbh, if it was a close call i'd understand it but it's pretty obvious Aizen would wreck Madara and toy with him. It's not even up to discussion so idk what's all this text i'm seeing in the comments lmao. Like we're talking a krillin vs Cell scenario here, Madara is a human with a handful of tricks he's not playing in the same league.
I'd rather say Krillin vs Cell (who's in some stupidly boosted form that is non-canon, like SSJG for Cell, but the point is that this is just sad to compare)
aizen solos the verse literally no diff. i subbed, keep up the good work.
I hope Death battle just stops making videos involving Bleach, they have no idea how Bleach works
@@ichigokurosaki9098 fr. like ichigo and aizen scale relative to juha who is a universal being lowballed.
when they talked about the TSO I said to myself Whaaaaaaaaat? I feel like the team of Death-Battle is one of 3 things:
1- Biased towards Naruto.
2- Their knowledge about Bleach is weak as Clyde said.
and I will pick the 2 because they admitted that they gave the victory to Madara because he is more popular also we saw a lot of mistakes about Bleach.
Also there are things in Bleach that eradicates the victims from existence for example:
1- Hado 54 and any Kido Master at least have this ability.
2- Qunicies.
3- Soi Fong's 2 stings.
4- Yammamoto's Bankai.
Why none of them was able to use it on Aizen?
@@ulitmatedangai4934 also Ichibei's Ichimonji Aizen has comseptual manipulation resistence
OMG SOME ONE FINALLY SAID IT HYPNOSIS AND ILLUSION ARE DIFFERENT
I know right!?!?!?!
Why does this matter ?
@@Odin_Allvater
Illusion similiar to imagination/Dream :
You will think you get hit by car over and over but not dead, something weird will happend to you who didn't make any sense.. And you will started realese you are under illusion..
Hypnosis is hard to make you realease you under hypnosis because you will still live normal live..
My friend get hypnosis before, she let other people come to her store and take her product without paid. She started confused when she wanted close the store and started see the income.. Many product missing but why the income still little.. And she started asking people around the store. People said their two man come to your store this morning and talk to you and we see you giving your product to them so we think that man is your customer.. And my friend get more confused because she dosn't remember anything. She said she remember their two man come to her store asking some product but after that she dosn't remember anything..
@@peyton5322 nice Story. How exactly does Aizen use his hypnosis? I mean does he need to control what others are seeing?
@@Odin_Allvater yes, Aizen can control 5 sense with his hypnosis power..
Aizen make Shinji think he walk with Aizen for 3 days when in reality Shinji always walk with other people.. But Shinji saw that people as Aizen..
Aizen did the some think when he pretend to died, people really believe Aizen died, only captain unohana from medic who think the body look weird but she dosn't know she is under hypnosis, she just think maybe Aizen not died because the body are fake..
When fighting in fake karakura town, Aizen make all captains believe they are fighting him in reality the one they fighting is Hinamori. Ichigo who not under hypnosis try to stop them, but Aizen make the captains focusing to attack Hinamori so they not hear or saw Ichigo..
The problem is we never knew when Aizen use the hypnosis power because all Shinigami using sword, and fighting with sword so we never knew when he actived the power, and know the sword fused with his body making it more hard to know when he actived the power..
Aizen would honestly playfully play with Madara a bit, until Madara starts boasting about his power... Then Aizen would just say "you believe that's strength... Fascinating" then absolutely demolish him in 2 seconds
That's legit how it would go down.
2 seconds? That's a little bit too much time for him to be alive
I think he means the 2 seconds to fall to the ground
@@doomslayer3294 n shibai thinks and deletes aizen
Also don’t forgot. Sakura was stabbed by a Truth seeking orb and she was completely fine
Wrong Naruto pulled her out nice try with the Naruto downplay. Bleachtards these dats.
@@choppyhakusho You’re female lead legit was stabbed by Madara’s Orb. 😐. Watch your war arc again dumbass
Keep in mind that Aizen is basically SCP-682, he literally can't die, and when you do, he adapts and resurrects.
No limit fallacy
@@eddieboston6540 You keep spamming no limit fallacy when that's how his ability works lmao. You can't kill him, and he evolves and gets stronger the longer you fight him. Even if this was a no limit fallacy. Madara doesn't have ANYTHING that can damage Aizen.
@@mr.hazamayukiterumi Not Madara though
@@eddieboston6540kubo wrote this character to troll and it's working as intended. no limits fallacy or not, it's how the character has been written🤷🏽
Actually ichigo was faster than light speed starting from episode 16 as he dodged a cero blast which is estimated to be as fast as the speed of light
Ichigo is ftl+ in base
Do you know daroi Strom release:- laser circuit is also light ray
if you can react to a 300 km/h, does that make you as fast as it? Ichigos reaction might be ftl, but he wasnt moving with ftl speed at that point.
@@yazXVIII in office databook of bleach ichigo have speed of lighting at soul society arc not light, in end of series Ichigo did reached faster then light but not at beginning.
@@yazXVIII yes he was, that’s what flash step and blitzing is for, cero is reiatsu, if ichigo can view light as something slow that he can block it in time, then he can move at those speeds, since your travel speed has to be relative to your reaction speed
The stupidest thing about this fight is that they put the version of Aizen using hogyoku and the hollow form, When in reality Aizen in base form is stronger without the hōgyoku after being imprisoned keeping his reiatsu contained for so long.
I remind you that Aizen has no bankai nor shikai, simply in his base form and being one with Kyoga suigetsu and using hado techniques, he is literally solos the Naruto verse.
What's funny is how you could use such information and Narutards will still think Madara will win
Not showing my bleach bias here but I really think Aizen would absolutely body Madara. There's just too much power difference.
Bleach characters in general are far stronger than Naruto characters. 🤔
Shh... don't let the Naruto fans hear you.
You're right tho, and honestly people give the Naruto-verse waaaaaay too much credit in terms of power. Within the Big 3 Bleach does have the highest scaling, and Naruto is second. BUT it's not even close in terms of power. Bleach Characters are dimensional/universal level where Naruto is BARELY planetary level.
@@Reineerus_The_Rat that's so true. I also think one piece characters are at third. 🤣👍
@@TheReaIestOne OP characters are strong but not one of them has had a planetary feat yet.
@@Reineerus_The_Rat ikr. And I love OP. But what's real is real. People just don't wanna admit that the characters from their favourite series might lose. 🤣
@@Reineerus_The_Rat Facts they scale Naruto to light speed+ when it was only stated he can react at light speed not move at FTL.
OK so the way I explain this battle isn't actually simply based on power. Rather I believe Aizen would win is his psychological approach.
Madara enjoys battle and doesn't take proper assessment of battle. This what leads him to be surprised and outwit. People day Madara plan for Infinite Tsukyumi was hundreds or thousands of years in the making. Yeah I know the duration right. Yet Madara himself didn't take any direction action besides Obito. He healed him on the fact he was an Uchiha. Then he wanted Obito revive as payment. Yet Obito had no obligation to. In fact is Kabuto never revived him would he ever comeback. This tells me Madara is known for his power not foresight. Not to mention he got his entire plan from ancient stone tablet. That happens to be made by black zetsu.
Meanwhile Aizen spent time canonical revising his plan. He had a goal and constantly strives for it. He isn't above to taking another's achievements and improving that.
From the soul society Aizen mastered Kido and Hado. The main spell system used. He learned flash step and basics of kendo. Lastly Kyokasuigestu speaks to his psychological profile. So a Zanpakuto is manifestation of one's will brought to life by an asauchi. Aizen entire identity is suggestive. Given his exceptional skills and power why would he need to explain Kyokasuigestu over and over. Then rather what is complete hypnosis. Each time it is used the depiction of the hypnosis is precise. It isn't random everyone experiences the same hypnosis. So I stand to say Kyokasuigestu true ability is simply suggestive. I know it doesn't seem that impressive. Yet think a simplistic ability given to an exceptional thinker is dangerous. Kyokasuigestu uses Aizens reishi to weave a narrative. Makes sense a Kido type release for a kido master. Reishi is like a muscle we've seen training to increase one's spiritual pressure or presence of one's soul.
So if Aizen is constantly releasing and flexing his reishi it will become greater in mass and definition. Aizen constantly suggests to his opponents. Except Zaraki, Byakuyuya and Ichigo. Each have their own reasons why suggest doesn't work.
Zaraki is instinctual he doesn't think anything except the fight at hand. He notices the tension, eye movements and pressure one releases.
Next is Byakuyuya who has impeccable sense of duty. He can be influenced, but not to his duties. Infringing on his duties would bring his to rationalization. That's why Aizen would wait after Ichigo fought against both of them. As for Ichigo he is simplistic. He wants to save his friends and family. He doesn't care about many nuisances. Aizen suggest complete hypnosis.
Aizen makes the best usage if his power and rarely lose sight of his goal. Meanwhile Madara had changed his true goal multiple times on a whim. Kido and Hado doesn't just grow in power the higher it goes. It takes one reishi and enacts a process. The only way to stop Hado and Kido. Is to change the definition or pressure of one's soul. Dangai Ichigo didn't break a black hole with his bare hand. He exceeded Aizen's reishi apart before the effect could stand.
I can make this video literally 15 miinutes shorter.
Remember what happened to the shinigami that tried to touch a RESTRAINED, CHAIRBOUND, SEALED AIZEN? Now imagine what would happen to Madara, who has ZERO reiatsu. Yeah. His ass is getting erased from existence by Aizen's reiatsu alone.
I Remember that Happening In the Manga When they Brought him to the surface
I was WAITING for someone to draw the distinction between Hypnosis and Illusion. Thank you SO much!
Damn this is the best debunk i have ever seen
Yammotos blade is stated to erase anything without a trace its a literal type of existence eraser but but aizen could survive that as its stated no know thing the soul society has can execute him
neither Madara Nor Yammoto have true existance eraser, True existence eraser is someone like Nocturnal From TES which can erase your body,mind,soul,atheral aspects, and deletes you from evey infinite timeline down to it's past present and future and takes it a step further by making it as if you never existed so no one would know you ever existed. just noting this cause people seem to think the truth seeking orbs are true existence erasers when they are not, aizen would just regen
thanks for metioning the Yammoto bankai idk how that one flew over death battels head
Guess what. This one quincy, that was imagined into reality, has the power to do just that to himself.
@@hitogi06 Damn yea Gremmy is too hax af that Kenpachi got pretty lucky in that fight. Or it was just major plot armor lol
They completely forget about the hokyoku even after mentioning it, I love both series and I know a lot more about Naruto than bleach but I seen both series anime fully -fillers but bruh how does aizen loose while having the hokyoku when Ichigo didn't make it reject aizen in this Madara vs aizen situation
That was a very nicely done debunk ❤
The truth Seeker orb argument was real bullshit anyways.
Aizen made it pretty clear towards Soi Fong when she used her 2 hit insta kill that he can simply negate her Shikai by simply being stronger then it. And at that point he didnt even transform mind you. Truth Seeker aint gonna do shit against Aizen.
On top of that they failed to understand that Aizen in the last Arc never at any point was at full strenght. The whole last Arc Aizens body is almost completely sealed his whole Suit is a seal itself. Aizen only fights with the Raiatsu thats leaking out of his seals and we all saw what he did with just that small amount he has available.
My guy took his research and slams it in facts. Most of these I didn't know nice work.
Thank you 🙌🔥💯 About time someone keeping the same energy with both series not just one !!
also lets not forget the biggest cherry on the top
AIZEN HAD THE FUCKING HOGYOKU
an item that lets him evolve ENDLESSLY meaning that anything, ANYTHING madara pulled would be meaningless because aizen would evolve past that with the magic ball of hacks
And he was still seal away by some of the weakest characters in bleach🤦🏾♂️
@@GojosBackHand Urahara is a captain, he is not weak, and the seal only worked because Ichigo weakened Aizen enough.
Along with Aizen subconsciously wanting to lose.
@@GojosBackHand you talkin like that bout Aizen even though Madara got screwed with a hand through his chest from ZETSU LMAO
@@Mr_ProNoob as a line I heard from a rap battle once said "I am king, numero uno, you cannot compete when you lose your life to a follower"
@@kaikuso9711 let's not forget "Taking L after L after L must be tiring, you was better off just retiring. We in 2 different tiers, the difference between you and me is that you're a puppet, in the puppeteer"
Really unfair battle. Aizen solos the verse dude
All you have to do is look at the end result of their stories.
Aizen survived Gin's betrayal (who destroyed half of his body), his battle with Ichigo (and getting hit with Final Getsuga) and the battle with Yhwach (who was practically a god at that time).
Madara got killed by Black Zetsu who just sneaked up on him. CLEARLY Aizen's immortality is way, way better than Madara's. You would need at least a planet buster to kill Aizen.
I like both anime but if u talk about strength then Bleach stomps Naruto simple Naruto Fans don't be so blind be a neutral anime lover
to add to this and although for now it is in fact just a statement and not really backed up by actual visible proof, this statement is so absurd that it becomes believable in the context of Bleach and specifically Aizen..
in the newest chapter of Bleach, right at the end where Ichigo, Renji and the other Lieutenants are fighting weird Hollow-like creatures. Hell Szyellaporro shows up and states that the Gates of Hell have now opened because "Aizen disappered"
let me say that again...
Hell, a dimension that houses literal millions of souls from different eras in time, have remained closed... because Aizen's Reiatsu is so immense that it has been keeping it that way...
*Aizen, JUST BY EXISTING, has been the literal padlock to faqing HELL*
and now that he's "disappeared", implying that wherever he is he's far enough that his Reiatsu can NOT reach hell, and Shinigami Reiatsu can reach far like REALLY FAR. so wherever Aizen is, he has figured out a way to make himself completely invisible even to an entire dimension tht has been using him as a lock for who knows how long...
oh but the Truth Seeking Orbs probably have multiversal GPS on them right??
well although not wrong they also mention the death of Ywach playing a factor, so it wasn't just Aizen keeping them at bay but the point stands
i want to correct you on one thing... its like trillions of souls
millions just make aizens reiatsu more absurd than it already is imagine trillions
@@GrayMinemanLOL yeah, now that you mention it. millions is probably a low-ball since Soul Society has existed even before the Gotei 13 and the Gotei was established to take "good" souls to Soul Society...
now think about that but the opposite, as in Hell, where all the "evil" people from literally the beginning of time are sent to..
it definitely is at LEAST in the trillions
@@umelgaming3177 you're right. while I may have forgotten that line (even though it was literally said right after Aizen's name lol my bad) Hell as a dimension is just FAQING HUGE!! and only TWO people have been keeing it closed?? bruh.. even though let's say Yhwach was doing like 60% or even 70% of that job, the fact that it was stated within the chapter itself that ALL Captains from the very establishment of the Gotei 13 is sent there meaning that all that Reiatsu could NOT push back against Yhwach's and Aizen's is just an amazing feat! like think about it, Squad 11 canonically has like 9 Captains (and while that Squad's whole schtick is killing the Capt to take their position) that's STILL 7 Captains that have been sent to hell AND now the first Kenpachi from 1 out of 13 Court Guard Squads PLUS at LEAST trillions (millions is a low ball which is also my bad) of souls and they STILL couldn't counter two people's reaiatsus!!
Aizen > Madara
-Kyoka Suigetsu is much stronger than genjutsu, legit tricked Ywach, who can see every possible future.
-Aizen's reitsu literally shook PLANES of existence and could not be detected by "strongest characters".
-Aizen is also probably, if not THE smartest character in the Bleach series.
-Aizen has only been defeated in combat, never killed. The Hogyoku essentially makes him immortal. (Madara got killed more than once :) )
-Aizen can only be defeated by Ichigo (the protagonist), where as Madara gets lul'd on by non-protagonist characters.
Aizen would probably hit Madara with Hado#90 while he is being cocky and walk away.
The only battle that might make sense is....Tsukishima vs Madara.
The way I see it, we have no way of knowing whether KS or genjutsu is better than the other, BUT it's wrong to assume some things about it, such as Madara being able to break out of it since both power systems in each universe are "similar".
@@scottvgamer1163 I honestly think someone's soul is >>> than chakra.
@@philphilly9654 probably, because Chakra, if I remember correctly, comes FROM someone's soul/spirit.
@@scottvgamer1163 true, I think it does. I was thinking more so in how it would work. Kyoka effectively hitting the source aka the soul itself, where as genjutsu is just visual based. Not to say maybe Aizen couldn't get hit with genjutsu, but with how strong he is it would not last long at all.
Tsukishima will kill madara kids form lol,no more konoha
It's funny how people confuse perfect hypnosis with illusions. Simple way of differentiating genjutsu and aizen ability is Madara injects illusions into ones mind disrupting perception. Aizen actually CONTROLS all senses, think of it as they are no long yours to command anymore intern controlling your perception including spiritual senses. Aizen ability is more potent by far.
Don't forget the Hogokyu can evolve the KS if Aizen wishes to evolve his Blade's ability more and more.
Mans preaching! Love all the points you bring up. People need to stop sleeping on Bleach power scales man!!!!
Ppl only keep naruto in these anime fights bc it’s popular not bc it’s strong
Even if we go on to say that aizen wins(which he does), we'll still have narutards who think otherwise
dude your avatar looks badass
Son 3 words....reaper death seal. Deal with the shinigami in your own verse killing your kages before you even THINK about stepping to the bleach verse
🤣😂 You funny dude
@@shonenkon2456 tht was directed towards the narutards in the comments. #Bleach2022
Plus he took over the entire hollow world and basically made former ruler his subordinate.
theres 2 factors they forgot 1. aizen gained true immortality and the hogyoku would make aizen endlessly evolve rapidly
the only argument I was giving them was the infinite tsukyomi because truly I didnt have any argument against it and yet totally forgot that the edo tensei bypasses it and heck sasuke literally covered naruto and the gang up with his susanno and literally just avoided it. So its not a permanent cast like KS. Very well handled 👏
Such in depth analysis!
Subbed
Ahh yes. Beautiful.
Mans spoke facts. Even though i found a bunch of flaws in the deathbattle, we all knew that Aizen wins
There is also something else to debunk it is stated genjutsu is basically hijacking Chakra flow at the level of the nervous system of the brain but it wouldn’t work since only beings in the naruto verse affected by the otsutsuki actually pocess chakra which will make it impossible to control or disrupt anything in a soul reaper because there is basically nothing to disrupt and even if it was the case they are pure souls meaning as shown with the infinite tsukuyomi almost no known genjutsu could possibly affect them
Genjutsu also does not work on dead things/clones in its own verse.
Edit-> Did not read your last part.
Aizen's shikai being a soul attack would mean Sharigan would not be able to get out of it
@@khulmach9662 very true
@@khulmach9662 little late replying. But there are a few genjutsu’s that work on dead people. Kotoamatsukami worked on itachi when Naruto & Killer Bee fought itachi and Nagato. That’s what helped itachi break free from Kabuto and go after him. But to be fair, Aizen will still stomp even if Kotoamatsukami was used against him.
The last few minutes of the video were peak 😂😂😂
You left out something I will add,
Aizen has complete hypnosis as we all know but this actually expands further than what was first stated by him. As you said he messed with Juhas perception of TIME, this perception is part of CHRONOCEPTION your ability to tell how much time has past and your ability to perceive time itself. This isn't tied to the 5 senses Smell,touch,sight,touch, taste.
We can concur that he has the ability to control the way you perceive reality. He could mess with your perception of BALANCE, ABILITY TO PERCEIVE TEMPERATURE, to list a few examples and PROPRIOCEPTION which is the sense to tell where your body is located and if your up or down. Kyoka Suigetsu makes you a literal slave
Finally someone who knows what they are saying.
Preach brother PREACH!!!
People really don't realize how fodder narutoverse is compare to bleach
we aint playing, dont belittle the bleach fandom
Gangsta. BLEACH IS BACK WE GOT TIME TODAY.
Thank you for the video I knew it was impossible for Madara win again Aizen
People seem to forget that Night Guy almost 1 shot 6paths Madara. Madara himself stated that he almost died tanking night guy while his body was almost blown 2bits.
Almost ain’t good enough.
So does that prove that Madara isn't immortal? Ok so that makes it easier for Aizen then XD
I hope 2022 is your year man. You are so underrated.
They didn’t even mention Aizen’s kido mastery
Yes, they did.
@@Odin_Allvater no they didn’t did you even watch the video they said Aizen knows SOME kido not all kido which he knows and they only mention like 7 kido as his arsenal while Madara has like 50 different abilities
@@DIEFORME173 so you want them to list every kido spell and their function ? Sure and then they go forth and list every single jutsu Madara has.
You do realise, that they don't have unlimited time, do you ? So they only list the abilities, which have a potential impact on the battle. They said he is a kido master and they listed the kidos that Aizen uses tue most. The coffin, the 5 dragons and the barriers. The things Aizen uses the most. They did the same with madara. Alone with rinnegan he can use all 5 base elements. It would be to much.
@@Odin_Allvater sigh please don’t be a moron they mention all of Madara’s abilities it the sun box area (or whatever it’s called) they did the same for link and cloud in their analysis they have no excuse not to use them they obviously didn’t go through the lore of bleach to figure that out cause it they did I wouldn’t just have 7 moves and that’s it
@@DIEFORME173 besides they clearly said that he is a kido master, so why are you complaining about the amount of kidos the mentioned. If somebody talks about a famous singer or boxer, do you want every single song or every single punch listed ?
Also ichigo knew Aizen wanted to be defeated in that battle. It was part of his plan. Aizen wanted to be locked up he knew yuhall was coming. Azien wanted ichigo to get stronger so he can protect the soul king. If you don't believe me then why when the head captain placed his body over his flames and reduced the blast Aizen said thank you for protecting my world meaning he did not want the worlds the soul king was placing together destroyed.
I feel like your stretching it out a bit to much but I do agree with you! But im just laughing at how you tried to spell Yhwach lol
@@Sh000-OOO When I typed this I never came back to look at it I just typed yhwach in again and it auto Yuhall idk why but yah it is kinda funny, but what I was saying is Aizen did not want to destroy the soul king cause he would have to replace him and since he can not die he would be the perfect candidate, cause Ichigo, Kenpachi and Aizen are all candidates to replace the soul king.
6:07 Something geeky some may not care about, but inorder for objects of matter to travel at even a fraction of the speed of light requires an infinite supply of infinitely multiplying kinetic energy to prevent becoming trapped in the time variance. The time variance is a gap between the time in which the object should have arrived at its destination, and the place in which the objects molecular structures really are due to insufficient energy. Essentially the object arrives at its destination before it leaves its beginning point and thus is trapped, or you could say it ceases to exist due to exiting the time space continuum.
Death battle and you: Coming up with a LOT of reasons why each character will win.
Me: Well one is alive waiting to be freed and one is killed by a venom reject. I don't know man, just sayin.
Thing is... aizen was already breaking out of the seals in the tbw arc ... So yh
If I remember he had already destroyed 3 of like 7 seals in just a couple of yrs
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Aaaaaaaaa!
In the end!
Man! You really rid it! You showed the difference between a man with supernatural powers and a god with full powers!
Good Man! Thank You!
That’s twice now ScrewAttack has had a Naruto character win over a bleach character, at this point I think they are just Naruto fanboys and don’t actually do the proper research
ShonenKon blessing us with this banger thanks🙏🐐
Dude the ending.....I'm literally crying🤣🤣😂😂🤣
I just found it funny that they said truth seeker balls basically ends it.... its just silly
Not going into power scaling for this since I actually want to give a critique of the fight. I find it funny how they only casually mention Madara "needing" to be written out of the story when Naruto later is able to beat the shit out of Kaguya with Boil release from Kokuo. Kaguya, the same person that sasuke immediately said was a greater threat then three eyes Madara. Or that they dont mention the guy who was actually writing the show, being that of Black Zetsu. The stupidest of plot twists within the series that they gloss over to make Madara sound so fucking cool and epic. While Aizen meanwhile is kinda seen as this dork with the glasses and Boomstick never reacting to him taking them off and flicking his hair back.
I dont like how they made Aizen here. Nevermind that they don't even show Muken aizen (Yes I know Muken Aizen hasnt been animated and also doesn't have a lot of good sprites to work with). But at the same time why would they use Hogyoku Aizen when he apparently doesn't have the Hog anymore. Also is it just me or are they scared to mention Yama's Bankai at all. Especially when they use statements to back up their scaling of the fourth Raikage being light speed.
I mean, the Naruto community is the same people who see any Uchiha and proceed to suck them off. Nevermind the fact that the Sharingan already breaks the rules of Naruto with how its own genjutsu worked half the time and the NOVELS being way too inconsistent and unreliable. I haven't read bleaches novels but holy shit the irachi novel is kinda bad all things considered. And the anime stating that Itachi was a rival to a twenty year old Obito makes no sense given that Itachi could have easily been able to kill obito when he was like 16-18. "Ah but what about Obito's statement of itachi could have killed him." Obito didn't want to reveal he had izanagi or that he could probably just use Kamui against Amatarasu.
Also I love how screw attack knows they don't like bleach, or at least seem to not like it given how they act with it. Since Ichigo vs Naruto is the only time they actually refer to the fans when talking about wanting a win. I just don't like anike death battles since its either that they simply don't know one show or dont like another show.
you do realize they couldn't beat madara becouse he is way more haxed then kagua and a good fighter well she is neither she has barely any combat expirence and its made quite clear that they dont stand a chance against madara becouse of that not just chakra
@@drama8335 Kaguya has thr all killing ash bones, has all of Madara's abilities since she is the mother of all Chakra. Not only that but she has an endless supply of truth seeking orbs and made a massive one.
Kaguya herself also had Black Zetsu. Who's older then Madara and possibly even Aizen by millenia. Yet the most he can fucking do is whine and bitch how his mother isn't winning. Madara could have easily been the final antagonist had Kishimoto just allowed Sakura to be useful and stab an eye out.
aizen looking like a dork before the his evil intentions was intentional
but if your calling the non glasses aizen ugly you sir have problem
Its nice to see aomeone actually did research on this battle. Well done
I know this is a old video but you didn't state the other way to stop his zanpakuto which Gin says is by touching the zanpakuto itself. It stops everything and that is the only way other then Aizen stopping it himself. Another thing is that Yhwach was under the illiusons once he left the area where Aizen was at. Most people thing he needs his zanpakuto but he no longer needs it anymore. The fact that they didn't even have him in his chair in death battle just shows everyone they didn't even try at all. Also Madara actually died of old age and had to be revived. It was dumb of them to mess out everything like that. They did the same thing with Ichigo.
Great video 👏👏
Thank you so much for this explanation
I've been debating my AZZ off telling them that Aizen stomps Madara the dude tanked Mugetsu bruh( an attack meant to eradicate transcended beings and still survived) but now I can just send them here
I love BBS 6th anni Aizen design
me too.