Let's hear your cooling system setup and what works for you! Do you run dual oil coolers, fans, oil filter collar, synthetic oil or any combination in between?
Not sure what's up with my phone lol. It would not let me .are my own comment. I know the blowers work well but can't stand the look of them.. another channel I watch has a friend thar is developing one that fits under the horn cover so it can't be seen.. that I may hop on if it comes available
Just had a pair of Love Jugs installed at the Myrtle Beach Spring Rally. I leave them on all the time and they definitely strip away heat when stuck in traffic. Wish I had before and after Temps with the fans but I can tell they are helping. Stock 103 with a stage 1.
I run 70 mph and avoid traffic! LOL!!! On my '95 Electra Glide Classic I am just about at 100k miles and it is totally stock, except the K&N and the cheap V-Twin pipes. Plans are to upgrade the engine a bit and at that time I will be investing in a fan-assisted oil cooler with a filter relocation kit. Love the channel, keep the videos coming!
SIMPLE cheap to help with heat is a little tank lift. Gets that trapped heat out especially when moving down the road. Also makes it way easier to clean the engine.
I have learned so much about the Harley Davidson motorcycle from your videos, I appreciate your time and all of the hard work you put into the videos. I can't thank you enough for what you do.
Like almost every Harley rider on the planet - I only ride when the temps are between 70 & 75f and the when sun is shining. Heat isn't an issue because we ride only a short distance to the bar for a beer and six miles round trip for breakfast on Sundays. The rest of the time is spent shining chrome accessories in the garage and watching re-runs of Sons of Anarchy.
In 2004 I put the HD fan on at the Dealership before I picked up my new Ultra . Turns out the fan itself is an Italian fan call a Spal.(mfg) worked great! Now I’ve upgraded to a Goldwing and have no worries about cooling!😂
I’ve never had any of my Harley’s over heat. It wasn’t until I stuffed a built S&S 124 in my 1999 Fatboy in 2001. Then I put a frame mounted cooler on one of the front down tubes. I installed a manual twist bypass on it. Very rare that it gets wide open The motor came with a 130 hp. After I built up the motor it was dynoed at 166 hp with 177 tq. I’ve been riding Harleys since 1955
@@rmiller334 I’m about that yes I am. In California you can or could ride a motorcycle with just a permit. Not that it mattered I purchased my first car when I was 13. Drove that to junior high school. When I bought my first Harley my mother told me if I wanted to buy a motorcycle I had to buy a helmet. About a week after I got my Harley my mother said to me. “I thought I said if you buy a motorcycle you had to buy a helmet”. I said to her. “Bought a helmet, it’s in on my closet shelf. You said I had to buy one. You never said I had to wear it!! That was a long time ago ….
Glad you did this video. I have fan assist Ultra Oil Cooler as well as Love-Jugs Fans to cool heads. Yep. Even here in Colorado it gets hot. As a Newby to Harley Motorcycles (3yrs) I faced friends and my son that I was wasting money buying an having these installed on My 2008 V Twin 96 Anniversary Edition Wide Glide. The cost is so much cheaper than replacing an engine. 19K miles and running strong 😊
I don't blame you! It's humid as well as hot down around where you're at! A lot of our Austrailian viewers run fans and oil coolers on their Harleys down under!
So an absolute YES on the fans . I have mini mites on my 14 Streetglide and 05 Deuce.Just recently it's been in the high 80s /90s here in NC. The Deuce will usually run 210 on a normal day up to 250 on a hot one . If I turn the fans on it stays approx 200 hot day . They DO work . Cost was about $350 .Streetglide is plug and play in the Accessory port not the diagnostic port as quoted.The Deuce being older is hard wired in . I run AMSOIL in all 3 holes and have just bought FLO reusable oil filters that are supposed to drop temperatures another 10 degrees. I have NO worry about standing traffic.
Living in the South I added an oil cooler to my '98 FLHP some 20 years ago. The front of the tank is raised about 2.5". I avoid stop and go traffic and have been known to use the shoulder to get to shade and park it until the wreck clears. I've considered the fans but so far I'm managing keeping my S&S 111 cool by using my methods. I avoid large cities when possible while I'm touring. I'd rather ride 60-65mph on a 2 lane highway than 75-80mph on a freeway, better scenery too. That's why I ride a motorcycle. If I am forced to ride in a known heavy traffic area, I try to plan my trip in the lesser busy time of the day. Never had trouble with the heat since I changed my strategy. Oil cooler is just smart. Fans are not necessary for me.
I tuned my 96” with the V&H FP3 and cooled it down about 30 degrees at running temp instantly. I hover around like 220-235 mid summer. Usually around 215-225 all winter. I recommend it. You wouldn’t believe what a proper tune will do to the bike.
@@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234 it is so worth it too, the performance gains that you get out of it is awesome and V&H are really easy to get ahold of if you have any questions. They built a custom tune for my bike off of my auto tune data, the bike runs like a dream. Mine is also a dyna. 07 Lowrider
I have the same results for my 96 with the FP3 tune. I also added a factory oil cooler to add a little oil capacity and to help get maximum life out of my oil.
@@aaronbrown5252 does the oil cooler help a substantial amount? I thought about buying a Jagg cooler for mine. I miss my Evo running around 180-200, I would love to get my 96 to that temp. It’s just so much easier on the oil and motor.
@@d-lowz-no9931 You have to remember, your oil needs to get above 212° for the moisture to boil out. That being said, I can't give you an exact amount the oil cooler helped because I installed both the FP3 and the oil cooler at the same time. I do know my temperatures went down about 30-35° with both installed.
Last year I ran stock configuration on my '09 Ultra. Summer rides and long rides I could tell it was running hot. This year I scraped the useless air temp gauge in the fairing and installed the HD Oil temp gauge. Now I could monitor the temp in the oil pan. First day out I was running 260 + oil temp on a average ride. Additional rides on a hot (85-95) could be 275 +. Then I lifted the tank 1.5 inches in front and 3/4 in back & added directional fins to push air across heads. Now running 230-235 temp oil temp on my rides !
I run Amsoil in my 2002 Fatboy. A year ago I upgraded very thing in the lower, Screaming Eagle oil pump and cam plate. Also new S&S cam. No problems in the Texas heat.
I installed the UltraCool fan assisted oil cooler on my 17 FXDLS and I immediately saw a difference in oil temperature. I also have the V&H FP3 installed on the bike which richened up the mix and seemed to cool the bike down a little bit as well. I like the idea of the cylinder fans and I'm sure they are beneficial, but I just hate the look.
@@geodez2959 The UltraCool I installed is barely noticeable. It is located beneath the regulator behind the front tire. It doesn't stick out on the side of the frame like some. It even had a nice flat black grill covering the radiator helping to protect it from road debris. But I gotta agree with you. Nothing wrong with a nice set of LOVE JUGGS blowing in the wind. 😂
An effective oil cooler such as the Ultra Cool will do a better job of cooling your engine than fans blowing air over the cylinders. The goal is for circulating oil to be at optimum operating temperatures. As the oil is circulating it reduces the temperature of your cylinders and other internal engine parts. A fan alone will not accomplish this for you If the oil is too hot and beyond normal operating range air flow will not effectively do much to lower oil temps in time to properly cool engine. Some run both the Love Jugs and an Oil Cooler to really help control engine temperatures and this is better yet; if your internal oil temps are too high with only running the fans add an oil cooler.
@@dcccharles4569 I absolutely agree. When I'm out on a long ride and my Ultra Cool kicks on then turns off later on down the road, it lets me know that the Ultra Cool did its job and cooled the oil back down to normal operating temperature. I love my Ultra Cool and would recommend it to anyone battling oil temp problems.
I've been riding for a long tome off and on since 1957 I'm in my 80s still work on my own bike. I just installed a set of water cooled heads and cylinders with a pair of radiators from a honda m8 water pump. And will be installing a fan assist oil cooler plus jims fan
I went with all of the DK Custom cooling suggestions that they have; tank lift, air deflector wings, oil cooler, removing the left frame air louver (or whatever it is called.....the one under your seat), enriching my fuel air ratio with DK's ViED, air box mods to bring more cool air in, and changed my head breather setup, and have noticed MUCH more coolness on my 09 Ultra. After doing all this, I finally installed an oil temp guage in my dash, and have yet to get past 190 degrees while riding this summer. The only things that I haven't done yet is an oil filter relocation setup and the cylinder fans. For me, the cylinder fans are a last resort, and something that will stay that way.....a last resort. And BTW, all of these mods have worked wonders on my wife's 10 Triglide (except the ViED and air box modes, as they weren't needed). When you make changes that are instantly noticable to the woman in your life, you know that something is working.
Luckily we live in Maine, only 2 weeks out of the season are really hot. Cooling fans are a wee ugly, but warmer areas are a great idea. Great video as always!!
I run Love Jugs fans on my 2011 Street Glide. I also have an upgraded S&S oil pump and cam plate. When I get stuck in traffic in summer temperatures I see my oil temperature get to about 230-240 degrees and then just stay there. My thought is that an oil cooler cools down oil that is already too hot. The fans keep it from getting too hot in the first place. You are right about the fans wanting to cook your right leg but you get used to moving your leg out of the way of the heat. Also, the fans work better if you turn them on the very second you realize you're stuck in stop and go traffic. Get the fans going BEFORE the cylinder heads have gotten too hot. Helps them do their job, helps to not cook your leg.
I have a 2014 Fatboy Lo ,I have added Love Jugs Cool Masters fans,10 row non fan assisted Jagg oil cooler and an external breather,which gets rid of that hot oily air from going into the throttle body,I have also an V&H FP3 fuel back which gives me the ability to monitor the engine temperature the bike rarely gets above 250 degrees in my opinion it's the Love Jugs that give you the best temperature reductions not attractive but saves you money in the long run.
An oil cooler can reduce the temperature of the oil in the tank, though I remain skeptical it could have much effect on the overall temperature of the motor. The oil flow volume is so small, and the specific heat of oil is only about half that of water, and there is a lot of hot metal to cool down. It would be interesting to compare the exit oil temperature of a bike with an oil cooler compared to one without. If you are in an overheating situation, don't blip the throttle; just let it idle, and get moving again as soon as possible.
@@Dooms1972 Oil coolers cool the oil on the way back to the tank, and the oil tank temperature drops accordingly. What I am saying is that the actual engine temperatures of the critical bits, such as piston dome, cylinder walls, head, exhaust valves, are unaffected by the temperature of the incoming oil. The tiny amount of "cool" oil getting pumped around the engine, is getting heated up again on every surface it touches. There is no way that dribble of oil can cool down 100 pounds of hot aluminum, iron, and steel in any meaningful way. Just sayin'.
@@timmattle4730 That's a good question. I know that several of the upgrade oil pumps move more oil on the scavenge side, to help prevent sumping. I also know that too much oil flow on the pressure side can be a cause of sumping.
@@timmattle4730 I don't know the SE camplate, so I can't really comment on its benefits. What was the reason for the upgrade? New Cams? I own an '09 FXCWC with Big Bore kit and Redline Cams.
@@timmattle4730 Well if you did the camplate kit, with SE pump rotors, the specs say more flow delivered. Harley motors are tricky though; reason is mixed use of plain and rolling element bearings. It's impossible to over-oil a plain bearing; not so with rolling element bearings. RE just need to stay wet. Excess oil can cause heat to increase in the bearing, because of the friction of rollers plowing through too much oil.
running love jugs on my 2018 heritage 114. love them, turn them on when I need them. I think they look fine. run synthetic oil with a reusable flo oil filter.
I ride an old 96, 883 sporty. I got stuck on the Las Vegas strip in 100° heat about a month ago. It was so bad. I almost turned it off and was thinking about walking it. But it would’ve been a couple miles. Amazing my bike still lives. Smitty in Vegas.
I have a 2021 Road Glide and living down here in the Deep South my first accessory was the fan assisted oil cooler. I run Amsoil full synthetic and change the oil every 3,000. After nearly 20,000 miles I’ve had zero issues.
I installed Jims Forceflow about 2 years ago. I like the looks and it's very effective in stop & go.I have a 2018 softail and glad HD decided to install oil coolers between the down tubes from the factory.
I rode one summer on my ‘21 Low Rider S and put the black mighty mites fan on before this summer hit. The bike runs so much better in the heat than it did last summer. It never feels like it’s struggling or losing any power and the parade mode very rarely comes on anymore. Love my cooling fans! They do blow the heat onto my right leg but it’s not a big deal at all. They look good too. Seems like I’m topping off the oil level less since installing the fans too.
@@Motosquatch Mighty mites by love jugs. I had to wire straight to the battery cause Harley changed the harness on the 21 models and love jugs still hasn’t caught up with the changes. The customer service isn’t great but the fans work great and look good too. $500 though! DK customs sells a different brand that costs a little more but you get their customer service which is awesome.
Yes it’s definitely a yes for me !!! I have had the Cool Master Love Jugs on my bike for 6 years now and definitely cools my built 96 with a 106 kit with 10.5 compression really nice and cool with much lower temperatures. Matter of fact AMSOIL did a test with Cool Master Love Jugs and proofed that it lowers temperatures about 140 degrees!!!! That is a lot of lower heat eliminated !!!!
Happened to me in traffic, had to keep revving the motor to keep the oil pressure from going to zero. 98 evo FLHT carb. stock, no oil cooler. Was running regular oil. Switched to Amsoil synthetic, problem was solved.
Harley claims 0 oil pressure at idle is ok as long as the lifters don't start ticking. I call BS on that. I went with an upgraded S&S oil pump and cam plate. It gives me almost 20 more psi at idle when hot. It also keeps the oil circulating better so the oil cooler can actually do it's job.
I have 07 SG 124” with dual Jags six tube dual pass oil coolers. Also Love Jugs Mighty Mite fans and the combo does a good job of cooling. I live in SE Texas were it gets brutally hot in summer.
I've got tank lift of 2" from DK customs. ( air moves over heads and cylinders better, air diverters on tank lift help as well. Relocated oil filter to get in the wind. If I'm stuck in traffic I'll split lanes or run the shoulder until I can get out of it.
I enjoy your videos, thank you. I just had a Ultra Cool oil cooler with fan assistance mounted to my 2005 103 Electra Glide. This October I want cylinder air fans added, (Luv Jugs.) This bike is now a family heirloom to be passed from one generation to the next, I want it to have a fighting chance.
2015 CVO Softail Deluxe 110 cu: I use Synthetic Oil. I use the Wards Werks (No Longer in business) cooling fans with a snap temp switch (Auto on&off) Black RTV to one of the front jug fins, still going strong since I had them on my 2011 Deluxe. Love Jugs MIGHTY-MITE fans look nice and are small and are almost identical to Jason Ward's fans except they don't use the snap switch, they are just on or off but are completely user rebuild-able and the colors of screens are interchangeable these fans are reliable, my wife has them on her 2017 Ultra and is getting read to add the HD mid frame fan to direct heat down and away as well. I use an OIL Bud oil cooler hidden under the frame, no issues other than a little bit of chrome chipped off a fitting after 4 years of use, way past the warranty and Oil Bud sent out a replacement line for free no questions. I also had Stainless steel heat shields (Looks really good and has a heat absorption rate far less than steel, how ever the machinist said he would never do it again because they were so hard to make lol) made identical to the Harley ABS mid-frame heat shields then added a 2000 degree sticky back fiber insulating heat shield to the inside of that and also put it under my seat as well. Over all the 2015 CVO Deluxe 110 cu engine runs hotter than any other engine out there, after adding all this cooling equipment its very tolerable now, I still have to put my right foot up from time to time and the oil cap still gets hot but over all its very enjoyable to ride and I will never sell it! Hope this helps the next person, feel free to ask me any questions. I went through all of this because I love the look of the bike, you don't ride a softail, your wear a softail.
I ran Castro syntec car oil because it had the best thermal stability and I changed the oil at 1500 miles riding in Miami for 25 miles in stop and go traffic on the palmetto expressway.
I have a 2006 FXSTSI Springer. After doing a lot of research, I just bought an Oil Bud oil cooler and hope to have it installed next weekend as well as putting in new cams and a high pressure oil cooler.
Installed a Harley Davidson Oil cooler on my 1983 FXWG before Squadron got moved to Japan in 1987. Still have it, even after transferring to Philippines. Like it still using it.
Anything you can do to cool the bike down is worth it. I had a cam and tune put on my bike this past summer, and that alone DRASTICALLY reduced the heat. I have radiators on my 17 CVO that would usually continue to run after shutting the bike down, after the cam and tune, it is rare that they run after shutdown and I can physically feel the reduced heat. If you are in the coastal NC region near Wilmington, go see Ryan at Salter Speed Shop, he's a tuning Ace!! He got my 114 running the best it ever has!
The M8’s do run a little cooler than the older ones. I went with aftermarket headers with no cats, did a DK ventilation breather/vented dipstick with a good dyno tune and mine is very comfortable to ride. If I do have to sit in traffic for awhile, it’s very manageable
Agree. I purchased a new Ultra Limited in 2014, and found it unbearable in stock form. Even after having the cat removed, a Power Commander installed, and the bike dyno tuned, I was shocked when I rented a Road Glide on Oahu, and found its M8 engine noticeably cooler, especially in stop and go traffic. I learned 2 things on that rental Road Glide. In addition to being cooler, I'm a tall rider and I found the Road Glide a more comfortable fit than the Ultra Limited, so as soon as I was back home, I traded in my Ultra Limited for a new 2018 Road Glide Ultra, and I've never regretted it.
I've been running the fans on my S&S 124 for years .....they work great ....I can watch the engine temp drop when turned on when I have it hooked up to my laptop...doing tuning
I don't add anything to block the flow of air. What i did do is have my engine ribs diamond cut. I later was told that really helps keep the engine cooler. I believe it, cause I don't get bothered by engine heat.
Nay for me on cooling fans. Yes they do work but I don't like the look or the sound of the fans. There are other ways to cool off a Harley that I prefer. Personal choice.
Here in the PNW maritime rain shadow, not sure many air cooled engines in general have issues keeping cool. I put a UltraCool system on my '08 Road King because just seemed to be jumping in the frame after a 1.5 hour ride. Don't recall Dad's bikes ever doing that, so I took his '03 Road King out and sure enough, nada. Next rode his '98 (carbureted) Dyna, and nada again. So I checked my bike oil, and wasn't really all that low, topped it off, still not much to write home about. Got the UltraCool stuff installed, and Flo (re-useable) oil filter (cuz 20w-50 is some sticky stuff! Way different than 0w-20! You will notice!). Weather held long enough to finish the install, then the mobile waterfall came and parked for a while. There's sky this morning!
Adding oil coolers and larger filters are good ways to increase the volume of oil in the system. More oil & more surface are will drop the temperatures.
Hard pass on the jug fans for me. My low mount Jaggs keeps my 100” build plenty cooled. No worries of leaks if you upgrade to the proper clamping hardware either. Only chance of a leak is busting a hole in it, and the screen I put in front of it helps minimize that risk.
I have a stock 2018 Road Glide Ultra, and I always stop, left foot down, right foot on the brake pedal. If you have to stop for a light on a hill, this makes taking off again much easier. Start rolling on the throttle while releasing the clutch, and as soon as you feel the bike start to pull, take your foot off the rear brake and you're on your way. But, to get to the point, it's never been too hot for my right leg despite keeping it up on the floorboard. I traded in my 2014 Ultra Limited which had the cat removed, a Power Commander installed, and was dyno tuned for a 2018 Road Glide Ultra after riding a rental on Oahu, and finding the stock M8 cooler as in rider comfort than my modified Ultra Limited. I found the twin cam 103 unbearable in stock form , my M8 107 stock doesn't bother me. And I strongly suspect that is why they created a new engine, because they needed a cooler engine if they were going to keep up sizing displacement and power.
Left foot down and right foot on the brake is what they teach in a motorcycle course and I’m amazed at how many people don’t do this. Also so many that can’t balance and duck walk the bike instead of practicing instead of dragging their feet !
@@h.d.mech.mortenson2098 a lot of Harley riders put both feet down at stops, I don't know why. And yes, no feet dragging even in stop and go traffic. When I pick my feet up, they go straight to the floorboards every time.
Great subject. My 100,000 mile carb'd EVO has none of the above. Recently I added a pair of hard lowers so that concerns me. I haven't decided if they block air from the engine or channel more air in. They are nice to have in the rain.
I think the Evo can take a huge amount of heat -- I had one in the 100K+ range and often got stuck in rushhour traffic -- the kind where you can't shut off, but you certianly get to practice your low-speed control... Once it got so hot after a hour-plus of the stuff that my alternator quit charging, and I was sure the motor was toast... I took it very easy once I could get moving, but it clearely wasn't happy and anything other than the most gentle throttle got the rattle of pinging... Once I got home, I changed the oil, as I figure it was shot -- next day, surprise, surprise... it charged just fine, started and ran like its old self -- can't say I recimmend such abuse, b ut I was stuck between Jersey walls and a 3-4 mile back-up... ya gotta love those Evos !! Rode the rascal another 20K miles nefore I sold it -- engine had never been opened...
@@dcstrng1 Yeah me too. I hope I never have to cook it like that again but it was fine and still runs like forever with the CV. no oil cooler or fan. But I would do a fan b4 a cooler. What year you have now?
I love oil coolers! I fix a lot of charging systems on Touring bikes, many, many have coolers mounted. They are great for stators and regulators. Because those parts love the heat.
I adjust my riding time here in East Tennessee during the hottest days , on the road by 7 usually home by 1, stay away from the tourist, back roads thru the mountains and valleys (tomorrow morning 65 ). DW
Two years ago I installed a Jim’s Force flow fan in the position of the stock horn bracket. Moved the horn up to the bracket where the stabilizer bar mounts on frame just in front of the gas tank on the same side. The horn inside the Jim’s FF just wasn’t loud enough for me so I wired the old one to work also. Attention getter for sure when I need it. Also added a fan assist to oil cooler. All of this was added to a stage 2 with breather bypass. Never have overheating issues according to the gauges on my FP3. This is a 2018 Road King
GREAT to have ya back & appreciate you letting us know in advice.... some of us care about you. I'm considering after my build this September the Jim's Fan as it replaces the original horn & comes with it also built into the Jim's Fan.... I personally think it looks alot cleaner than the LoveJugs.... Personal preference, is PERSONAL❗ Remember rule #1 Do Not F🤪CKING Die ❗ Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
friction is a wear & heat combo. together they wear out motor parts, shorting the engine life, and creating a lot of heat. you can reduce the heat in the ways mentioned, but no mention of the cause, friction, the real killer. that starts with a good lube or a lube additive and correct engine tolerance. In my 50+ years of motorcycling, all makes, models, and builds, synthetic oil rules, or at least a semi-syn. changed often, depending on what air temp and environment you ride in. I have found a good tunning, and oil additives do help. my shovelhead runs all day not breaking 200* my 2 twin cams are the same, and all 3 are cammed, why! is a friction reducer, an additive to my oil. in traffic at a crawl in 90* temps it's higher, never above 225*. I run an oil temp and pressure gauge with an oil cooler on all, to monitor what's going on. try a product called motor coat, you can get it at truck stops. air-cooled engines need all the help they can get. even a 20-60wt. in twin-cams help in hot temps. they run so damm hot especially when big cylinders and radical or performance cams and components are used. good review.tks.
Dude what an interesting topic. The local police here in Erie Pennsylvania have cooling fans on there but her how big twins they have and they took they said the same exact thing
I’ve added a auxiliary oil cooler with fans. The fans rarely come on. My 22 trike runs cooler. I have decatted the exhaust and use a pv4 . I have used love jugs in the past and I’m impressed with the cooling. But I always use a ultra cool oil cooler …
I've got a set of Love Jugg fans on my 103, and when I'm at a stop with them running I rest my right leg on the crash bars to avoid the heat being blown and balance with my left leg down.
I have the Love Jugs mighty mites and the and the factory fan assisted oil cooler on my 21 Road Glide. Figured the combination would help a bit. Especially living in the WANG of the united states (Florida) where right now its been 95 degrees daily with a real feel of 108 with the humidity.
Mystfree breathers and breather bypass lines, bike runs 10 degrees cooler. Properly tuned Mikuni , VR1 Dino racing oil on my stage 4 107” stroker and she gets hot but doesn’t overheat. Put her through the test yesterday sitting in traffic.
A lot of the influencers who film the rallies dont show it, but there are a lot of liquid cooled bikes at those rallies not just Harleys lol. Me and my bros actually ride our metrics with their liquid cooling to the rallies for this reason, we are fine to sit in that jammed up traffic on Main Street, and we just ride the Harleys on road trips where its straight through with no stop and go traffic.
Your chalice made me appreciate my Harley more than I thought I did. It's really great at it just chubbs down the road super nice and I have good seat on it and some luggage stuff and it's fine just fine. I just love your channel it's just sell right there and all this stuff about twin cams and all that stuff I don't know the sports are has gear-driven camps and I just love it no chains none of that stuff potato potato potato potato potato
I live here in the San Joaquin Valley of California where the Summers are 100F plus....I run a Jagg Oil Cooler without a fan...It works great for me....What also helps is being able to Split lanes at Stop lights....
After getting a tuner which has helped a lot , still on the fence about putting at least an oil cooler on the front of my Fat Bob. I have seen a few that look great and you can't even tell it's there because it just disappears on the frame. Will wait till winter for a project such as that .
2 bikes with highly modded engines. Both bikes have fan assisted oil coolers and head fans. I never need to worry about engine temps and the bikes always running at 100% power. Peace of mind and the look isn’t terrible. Yes I would love to have a cleaner setup but not at the price of a hot engine with low power and self destruction.
Having my dealer add the Harley Fan oil cooler to my new 2023 Street Glide 107 before I drive it home! When I realized the Police bikes come with this option its something I wanted from day one as I live in a coastal, Southern resort area with lots of stoplight summer traffic. For around $460 dealer installed It was the 1st upgrade I did and will make me feel a bit better about my engine next summer!
I'm running the stock oil cooler on my 2015 Street Glide. I'm in Southern California it's not to awfully hot here. But I've given serious thought about those jug fans. I seen at Sturgis last year.
Tests have been done on the EITMS system... it does not help cooling the engine. It is designed for rider comfort. Oil cooler fans work well. Head fans work well too. Sometimes you have to add stuff that detracts from the looks. Without a running engine, you basically have an expensive boat anchor. The key is to stay out of stop and go traffic. Oil breaks down at 270*. The goal is to keep the oil temp at or below 230*. You can manage the oil temp with a dipstick gauge. Back in the day we used to pull over and let our bikes cool down. The Love Jugs can be powered through the auxiliary plug on the right side of the bike.
@@ut1004bp are you referring to cylinders/heads or oil? the only way to check the oil temperature on a HD that I know of is to install an oil temp dipstick gauge, which can only be checked when the bike is not running. I am going to look at the myriad of electrical gauges on my truck and see if there is an oil temp gauge. I may be wrong, but I think it only has an oil pressure gauge, which our newer HDs already has. so, you are telling me, that an air cooled HD engine will run hotter on an open highway compared to sitting at an idle? if so, I beg to differ with you.
@@richardrussell500 Temp increases on hwy riding (65 mph+ Hot days) noted by Engine Temp sensor via Powervision on my M8 (street glide 107 with S&S camplate and Oil pump, Wood's 22xe cam..good fuel mileage with no lein burning conditions noticed) I didn't have my Head Temp value set to watch but I'd say it would most certainly follow if not lead that increase.. Highway riding, your engine will become its hottest.. Yes, I also have a HD oil temp dipstick
I agree with you regarding head/cylinder temp, which different than oil temp. The HD manual only addresses oil temp, which is considered normal at 230*. For those of us who do not have a tuner, the only way to monitor temps is via the oil :-)
I ride a twin cooled M-8 now, but I used to ride an 08 Road King with a 120 R. I had a fan assist oil cooler and a set of Love Jugs. They kept the bike cool, but I live in Columbia SC and it's hot as balls here in summer. If I got stuck at a light in the summer, I was seriously thinking of murdering the cage drivers in front of me for keeping me from making my right turn. Between the heat hitting my right leg and the vibration from that big motor, It about sent me over the edge.
Any thoughts of anybody running oil additives that add zinc and phosphorus back to the oil for added protection since they took it out because the cats on the exhaust. The old muscle car oils all have it to mostly proteck the flat tappet cams but they say it benefits any engine. Cam 2 and Lucas are just a few that make it.
Yes definitely, when I get the time I want to put love jugs on my 17 ultra . Personally I don't think they look that bad either. I am curious if the lower fairings with the vent block that much air flow. If you have any knowledge about that I'd really appreciate hearing from you. Love your videos, please keep up the great work. Thank you.
Pick up a laser thermometer,when you're sitting in a traffic jam check those cylinders just for S#&T and giggles. Of course the heads will be hot that's where the combustion takes place. 250 degrees won't melt valves or anything else in the combustion chamber for that matter.
An effective oil cooler, such as Ultra Cool is the way to go. Although fans may blow air over the cylinders to reduce surface engine temperatures the oil remains hot, or negligibly cooled, thus your down low bearings, etc. which rely on oil circulation to cool hot engine parts is compromised. If oil is too hot regardless of air flow, or lack thereof, your engine oil temperatures will rise faster than oil can be cooled.
Living in the LA area(Cali), I am running an Oil Bud Cooler setup! We have the option of splitting lanes in traffic so I am always moving! No issues on 2001 Ultra 88; running 210-230 degrees depending on weather.
I have a fan assist oil cooler and the rear cylinder fan from HARLEY DAVIDSON next will be love jugs keeping that temp down when stuck in traffic is a winner on you the motor and the oil
I just had Adam (Amsoil Adam) of X-treme Bikes install a set of Love Jugs on my 2022 Heritage this past May during this springs Myrtle Beach Bike Week. Gave me a reason to ride down to Myrtle and visit my oldest brother who has retired to Myrtle Beach. The bikes EITMS will engage when stopped with the fans on if I’m doing slow maneuvers due to traffic or if I’m been running on the highway for a while and need to stop due to traffic in the hot weather. Just think how hot the engine gets without the fans. I’ll take the fans any day. Look, I repair automobiles and am currently working on a 1963 Porsche 356 which has an air cooled engine, with a FAN even, running off the back end of the generator a la a VW beetle. The early air cooled Porsche 911’s used a fan. The Chevy Corsair also ran an air cooled engine with a cooling fan. Oh, and Preston Tuckers cars were designed with air cooled engines using a cooling fan. Something about FANS and air cooled engines 😂
The fans make a big difference in keeping those head temperatures down, ideally around 200 is a good place to be realistically. Without fans in stop and go traffic you might see temperatures in the 230 to 250 range which is very hot but not totally out of spec.
My fat bob has no cat and a oil cooler but in traffic I turn on the love jugs works great m8 114 ported heads 468 cam external breather with a Trax vent 138 hp and 142 tork with a tune no heat problems love my love jugs
I have a 2019 HD Breakout 114 FXBRS with Stage 2 and I installed the UltraCool oil cooler and the Love Jugs Softail fan. I also have the Flo billet oil filter, Trask M8 Transmission Top Cover, modded the air cleaner to external breather, and a temperature gauge dip stick, running synthetic oil. My bike runs sooooo much cooler. I installed both myself and this is the best setup. It should be the standard!!! If anyone has questions, reach out. I can assist.
I am running an ultra cool fan assisted oil cooler with love jugs and a captin itch leather heat shield ride in high 80 to 90-degree weather in Southern California to Texas. Best combination I can come up with for my 2001 88 now 100 twin cam.
I live in the tropics on North-East Coast of Australia. Not much traffic up my way, but it's always very warm. I am looking for a fan assisted oil cooler & fans for my 1998 FLHTUCI 95th Anniversary. Would like to see a comparison test of different systems
I like the idea of an oil cooler. I don't think that affects the look too much. I don't really like the look at the fans although I would agree that they are really going to work nicely if you're stuck in traffic a lot. I don't personally have fans on any of my Harley and I only have an oil cooler on one of them. I will probably add oil coolers to the other two and then possibly fans to my Shovelhead which really gets hot when sitting
my take-a good quality fan assisted oil cooler eg. Jagg or JIMS Force Fan cooler have some benefits, however I would first ensure my bike has a Stage 1 upgrade with a good tune, EBS installed, EITMS enabled, high spec’d synthetic oil, tank lift (optional) before I commit to install a fan assisted oil cooler and or fans.
GixerFoo, I was thinking about what you said about shutting the engine down at long lights or stopped traffic, but starting hot engines can sometimes be a little squirrelly. How about doing a video on the S&S Easy Start cams that reduce the starting compression and ease the strain on the starter? I’ve been contemplating a big bore, higher compression, cam plate/high performance oil pump, and cam upgrade with the Easy Start cams, but I haven’t heard you address the starter problems that come with higher compression and bigger bores. In addition I’m not sure if it’s only S&S that has the Easy Start option for their cams or if other aftermarket cams have the option available. As usual good stuff and keep it coming.
That's an excellent idea! The easy start cams a great option if your bike doesn't have automatic compression releases. Easy start cams are a much more cost effective option than having your heads machined for compression releases. Not to mention if you have to remember to push the releases on both heads if you don't install electric auto releases.
It's actually the lifters bleed down on heat soaked engines that give you hard starts when hot. It's why alot of guys like me choose to use limiters adjusted 1 flat off of them.
I have a 93 Sporty, 1250, Andrew's n8 cams ported and polished heads, with a turbocharger. I have a oil cooler, no fan assist and it does a good job. Where I live there not a crazy amount of stop and go traffic
Added the Fan assist to Factory Oil Cooler. Installed the Harley CoolFlow Fan to draw hot air from rear of motor and direct it toward the ground. No fan on the side to blow hot air on me!
living in las vegas nv i run a fan assisted oil cooler and a set of luv jugs. both are switch operated so i can turn them on and off when ever.i have a 05 roadking with big bore kit and it has saved me a couple times being stuck in traffic
Let's hear your cooling system setup and what works for you! Do you run dual oil coolers, fans, oil filter collar, synthetic oil or any combination in between?
Not sure what's up with my phone lol. It would not let me .are my own comment. I know the blowers work well but can't stand the look of them.. another channel I watch has a friend thar is developing one that fits under the horn cover so it can't be seen.. that I may hop on if it comes available
Just had a pair of Love Jugs installed at the Myrtle Beach Spring Rally. I leave them on all the time and they definitely strip away heat when stuck in traffic. Wish I had before and after Temps with the fans but I can tell they are helping. Stock 103 with a stage 1.
I run 70 mph and avoid traffic! LOL!!! On my '95 Electra Glide Classic I am just about at 100k miles and it is totally stock, except the K&N and the cheap V-Twin pipes. Plans are to upgrade the engine a bit and at that time I will be investing in a fan-assisted oil cooler with a filter relocation kit. Love the channel, keep the videos coming!
Don’t forget the tank lift!
Stock oil cooler and a DK fend oil filter cleanable love jugs in heavy traffic.
After 52 years of riding I just live with it 😎
Harleys are tractors and can handle the heat as long as you maintain them... but sometimes I can't handle the heat! 🥵
@@pieceworkstudios They are machines. Subject to wear and tear. I used to ride in 100, now I usually stay parked when it's over 85.
No extra cooling on my EVO FLHS, I don't stay stopped that long.
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Yep, if it's too hot for my engine, it's too hot for me to ride. No fans and no oil cooler since 1999. I live in a semi-arid desert as well.
SIMPLE cheap to help with heat is a little tank lift. Gets that trapped heat out especially when moving down the road. Also makes it way easier to clean the engine.
I have learned so much about the Harley Davidson motorcycle from your videos, I appreciate your time and all of the hard work you put into the videos. I can't thank you enough for what you do.
I just ordered a set of love jugs yesterday. Can’t wait to install them.
Right on! They are super easy and fast to install!
Like almost every Harley rider on the planet - I only ride when the temps are between 70 & 75f and the when sun is shining. Heat isn't an issue because we ride only a short distance to the bar for a beer and six miles round trip for breakfast on Sundays. The rest of the time is spent shining chrome accessories in the garage and watching re-runs of Sons of Anarchy.
Now that's a real biker. Rings on every finger and a vest with all the patches. Ala Shadetree Surgeon..
Oh, come to Poland. We ride in the rain and snow even. And we are too poor for silver rings on every finger :).
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In 2004 I put the HD fan on at the Dealership before I picked up my new Ultra . Turns out the fan itself is an Italian fan call a Spal.(mfg) worked great! Now I’ve upgraded to a Goldwing and have no worries about cooling!😂
Lol right?! Harley is assembled in the USA with globally sourced parts.
HaHa that's not an upgrade
steven say it aint so you've gone to the dark side
He got smart. Got rid of that hunk of junk harley dangerson. Now if i could learn that lesson. Oh well
I’ve never had any of my Harley’s over heat. It wasn’t until I stuffed a built S&S 124 in my 1999 Fatboy in 2001. Then I put a frame mounted cooler on one of the front down tubes. I installed a manual twist bypass on it. Very rare that it gets wide open
The motor came with a 130 hp. After I built up the motor it was dynoed at 166 hp with 177 tq.
I’ve been riding Harleys since 1955
You’re about 80?
@@rmiller334 I’m about that yes I am. In California you can or could ride a motorcycle with just a permit. Not that it mattered I purchased my first car when I was 13. Drove that to junior high school.
When I bought my first Harley my mother told me if I wanted to buy a motorcycle I had to buy a helmet. About a week after I got my Harley my mother said to me. “I thought I said if you buy a motorcycle you had to buy a helmet”. I said to her.
“Bought a helmet, it’s in on my closet shelf. You said I had to buy one. You never said I had to wear it!! That was a long time ago ….
Glad you did this video. I have fan assist Ultra Oil Cooler as well as Love-Jugs Fans to cool heads. Yep. Even here in Colorado it gets hot. As a Newby to Harley Motorcycles (3yrs) I faced friends and my son that I was wasting money buying an having these installed on My 2008 V Twin 96 Anniversary Edition Wide Glide. The cost is so much cheaper than replacing an engine. 19K miles and running strong
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I'm in Houston and just park the bike during the hottest part of the summer, kind of like folks do during the winter up north.
I don't blame you! It's humid as well as hot down around where you're at! A lot of our Austrailian viewers run fans and oil coolers on their Harleys down under!
I live in Florida and have love jugs. However when it's 96 outside I just take the water cooled vstrom and leave the wide glide at home.
Yes!!! I'm just north of Houston and ride very little between Mid July and Mid Sept. Oct - June it's on though!!!
@@markahart7866 Same with me. I can't wait for October. The scooter will be shiny.
So an absolute YES on the fans . I have mini mites on my 14 Streetglide and 05 Deuce.Just recently it's been in the high 80s /90s here in NC. The Deuce will usually run 210 on a normal day up to 250 on a hot one . If I turn the fans on it stays approx 200 hot day . They DO work . Cost was about $350 .Streetglide is plug and play in the Accessory port not the diagnostic port as quoted.The Deuce being older is hard wired in . I run AMSOIL in all 3 holes and have just bought FLO reusable oil filters that are supposed to drop temperatures another 10 degrees. I have NO worry about standing traffic.
Living in the South I added an oil cooler to my '98 FLHP some 20 years ago. The front of the tank is raised about 2.5". I avoid stop and go traffic and have been known to use the shoulder to get to shade and park it until the wreck clears. I've considered the fans but so far I'm managing keeping my S&S 111 cool by using my methods.
I avoid large cities when possible while I'm touring. I'd rather ride 60-65mph on a 2 lane highway than 75-80mph on a freeway, better scenery too. That's why I ride a motorcycle. If I am forced to ride in a known heavy traffic area, I try to plan my trip in the lesser busy time of the day.
Never had trouble with the heat since I changed my strategy. Oil cooler is just smart. Fans are not necessary for me.
I tuned my 96” with the V&H FP3 and cooled it down about 30 degrees at running temp instantly. I hover around like 220-235 mid summer. Usually around 215-225 all winter. I recommend it. You wouldn’t believe what a proper tune will do to the bike.
I did the exact thing you did and got the same results for my 96" 2010 Superglide C. It worked great!
@@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234 it is so worth it too, the performance gains that you get out of it is awesome and V&H are really easy to get ahold of if you have any questions. They built a custom tune for my bike off of my auto tune data, the bike runs like a dream. Mine is also a dyna. 07 Lowrider
I have the same results for my 96 with the FP3 tune. I also added a factory oil cooler to add a little oil capacity and to help get maximum life out of my oil.
@@aaronbrown5252 does the oil cooler help a substantial amount? I thought about buying a Jagg cooler for mine. I miss my Evo running around 180-200, I would love to get my 96 to that temp. It’s just so much easier on the oil and motor.
@@d-lowz-no9931 You have to remember, your oil needs to get above 212° for the moisture to boil out. That being said, I can't give you an exact amount the oil cooler helped because I installed both the FP3 and the oil cooler at the same time. I do know my temperatures went down about 30-35° with both installed.
Last year I ran stock configuration on my '09 Ultra. Summer rides and long rides I could tell it was running hot. This year I scraped the useless air temp gauge in the fairing and installed the HD Oil temp gauge. Now I could monitor the temp in the oil pan. First day out I was running 260 + oil temp on a average ride. Additional rides on a hot (85-95) could be 275 +. Then I lifted the tank 1.5 inches in front and 3/4 in back & added directional fins to push air across heads. Now running 230-235 temp oil temp on my rides !
Nice! You got the temps right where they should be now but how does it do at prolonged stop and go traffic?
I run Amsoil in my 2002 Fatboy. A year ago I upgraded very thing in the lower, Screaming Eagle oil pump and cam plate. Also new S&S cam. No problems in the Texas heat.
I installed the UltraCool fan assisted oil cooler on my 17 FXDLS and I immediately saw a difference in oil temperature. I also have the V&H FP3 installed on the bike which richened up the mix and seemed to cool the bike down a little bit as well. I like the idea of the cylinder fans and I'm sure they are beneficial, but I just hate the look.
I hate the look of a radiator (oil cooler) on a bike. However, a set of love jugg fans look much better because they look like LOVE JUGGS😊
@@geodez2959 The UltraCool I installed is barely noticeable. It is located beneath the regulator behind the front tire. It doesn't stick out on the side of the frame like some. It even had a nice flat black grill covering the radiator helping to protect it from road debris. But I gotta agree with you. Nothing wrong with a nice set of LOVE JUGGS blowing in the wind. 😂
An effective oil cooler such as the Ultra Cool will do a better job of cooling your engine than fans blowing air over the cylinders. The goal is for circulating oil to be at optimum operating temperatures. As the oil is circulating it reduces the temperature of your cylinders and other internal engine parts. A fan alone will not accomplish this for you If the oil is too hot and beyond normal operating range air flow will not effectively do much to lower oil temps in time to properly cool engine. Some run both the Love Jugs and an Oil Cooler to really help control engine temperatures and this is better yet; if your internal oil temps are too high with only running the fans add an oil cooler.
@@dcccharles4569 I absolutely agree. When I'm out on a long ride and my Ultra Cool kicks on then turns off later on down the road, it lets me know that the Ultra Cool did its job and cooled the oil back down to normal operating temperature. I love my Ultra Cool and would recommend it to anyone battling oil temp problems.
I've been riding for a long tome off and on since 1957 I'm in my 80s still work on my own bike. I just installed a set of water cooled heads and cylinders with a pair of radiators from a honda m8 water pump. And will be installing a fan assist oil cooler plus jims fan
I went with all of the DK Custom cooling suggestions that they have; tank lift, air deflector wings, oil cooler, removing the left frame air louver (or whatever it is called.....the one under your seat), enriching my fuel air ratio with DK's ViED, air box mods to bring more cool air in, and changed my head breather setup, and have noticed MUCH more coolness on my 09 Ultra. After doing all this, I finally installed an oil temp guage in my dash, and have yet to get past 190 degrees while riding this summer. The only things that I haven't done yet is an oil filter relocation setup and the cylinder fans. For me, the cylinder fans are a last resort, and something that will stay that way.....a last resort. And BTW, all of these mods have worked wonders on my wife's 10 Triglide (except the ViED and air box modes, as they weren't needed). When you make changes that are instantly noticable to the woman in your life, you know that something is working.
@@PeterAngles well, I guess I ride my choice of motorcycle because of what I enjoy. I truly hope that you do likewise.
Luckily we live in Maine, only 2 weeks out of the season are really hot. Cooling fans are a wee ugly, but warmer areas are a great idea. Great video as always!!
I live on the coast of New Hampshire and avoid traffic like it's radiation. Plenty of back roads and we always stay moving.
I run Love Jugs fans on my 2011 Street Glide. I also have an upgraded S&S oil pump and cam plate. When I get stuck in traffic in summer temperatures I see my oil temperature get to about 230-240 degrees and then just stay there. My thought is that an oil cooler cools down oil that is already too hot. The fans keep it from getting too hot in the first place. You are right about the fans wanting to cook your right leg but you get used to moving your leg out of the way of the heat. Also, the fans work better if you turn them on the very second you realize you're stuck in stop and go traffic. Get the fans going BEFORE the cylinder heads have gotten too hot. Helps them do their job, helps to not cook your leg.
I have a 2014 Fatboy Lo ,I have added Love Jugs Cool Masters fans,10 row non fan assisted Jagg oil cooler and an external breather,which gets rid of that hot oily air from going into the throttle body,I have also an V&H FP3 fuel back which gives me the ability to monitor the engine temperature the bike rarely gets above 250 degrees in my opinion it's the Love Jugs that give you the best temperature reductions not attractive but saves you money in the long run.
An oil cooler can reduce the temperature of the oil in the tank, though I remain skeptical it could have much effect on the overall temperature of the motor. The oil flow volume is so small, and the specific heat of oil is only about half that of water, and there is a lot of hot metal to cool down. It would be interesting to compare the exit oil temperature of a bike with an oil cooler compared to one without. If you are in an overheating situation, don't blip the throttle; just let it idle, and get moving again as soon as possible.
The ultra cool oil cooler they say cools engine 60 degrees.
@@Dooms1972 Oil coolers cool the oil on the way back to the tank, and the oil tank temperature drops accordingly. What I am saying is that the actual engine temperatures of the critical bits, such as piston dome, cylinder walls, head, exhaust valves, are unaffected by the temperature of the incoming oil. The tiny amount of "cool" oil getting pumped around the engine, is getting heated up again on every surface it touches. There is no way that dribble of oil can cool down 100 pounds of hot aluminum, iron, and steel in any meaningful way. Just sayin'.
@@timmattle4730 That's a good question. I know that several of the upgrade oil pumps move more oil on the scavenge side, to help prevent sumping. I also know that too much oil flow on the pressure side can be a cause of sumping.
@@timmattle4730 I don't know the SE camplate, so I can't really comment on its benefits. What was the reason for the upgrade? New Cams? I own an '09 FXCWC with Big Bore kit and Redline Cams.
@@timmattle4730 Well if you did the camplate kit, with SE pump rotors, the specs say more flow delivered. Harley motors are tricky though; reason is mixed use of plain and rolling element bearings. It's impossible to over-oil a plain bearing; not so with rolling element bearings. RE just need to stay wet. Excess oil can cause heat to increase in the bearing, because of the friction of rollers plowing through too much oil.
running love jugs on my 2018 heritage 114. love them, turn them on when I need them. I think they look fine. run synthetic oil with a reusable flo oil filter.
Synthetic oil makes a big difference with heat transfer to the cooling fins!
I ride an old 96, 883 sporty. I got stuck on the Las Vegas strip in 100° heat about a month ago. It was so bad. I almost turned it off and was thinking about walking it. But it would’ve been a couple miles. Amazing my bike still lives. Smitty in Vegas.
Those Sportys are just amazing bikes, it's my go bike! I absolutely love mine!
I run a jagg fan assist oil cooler on my 09 Deluxe. Works great plus a good tune also cools the bike down quite a bit.
I have a 2021 Road Glide and living down here in the Deep South my first accessory was the fan assisted oil cooler. I run Amsoil full synthetic and change the oil every 3,000. After nearly 20,000 miles I’ve had zero issues.
I installed Jims Forceflow about 2 years ago. I like the looks and it's very effective in stop & go.I have a 2018 softail and glad HD decided to install oil coolers between the down tubes from the factory.
Love my cylender/head fans...I've had them for over 10 years...and now after this video I will add a fan unassisted oil cooler...thank you
I rode one summer on my ‘21 Low Rider S and put the black mighty mites fan on before this summer hit. The bike runs so much better in the heat than it did last summer. It never feels like it’s struggling or losing any power and the parade mode very rarely comes on anymore. Love my cooling fans! They do blow the heat onto my right leg but it’s not a big deal at all. They look good too. Seems like I’m topping off the oil level less since installing the fans too.
which fans you running, thinking about putting some on my 22
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@@Motosquatch Mighty mites by love jugs. I had to wire straight to the battery cause Harley changed the harness on the 21 models and love jugs still hasn’t caught up with the changes. The customer service isn’t great but the fans work great and look good too. $500 though! DK customs sells a different brand that costs a little more but you get their customer service which is awesome.
@@robbyclark6915 thank you sir
Yes it’s definitely a yes for me !!! I have had the Cool Master Love Jugs on my bike for 6 years now and definitely cools my built 96 with a 106 kit with 10.5 compression really nice and cool with much lower temperatures. Matter of fact AMSOIL did a test with Cool Master Love Jugs and proofed that it lowers temperatures about 140 degrees!!!! That is a lot of lower heat eliminated !!!!
Happened to me in traffic, had to keep revving the motor to keep the oil pressure from going to zero. 98 evo FLHT carb. stock, no oil cooler. Was running regular oil. Switched to Amsoil synthetic, problem was solved.
Harley claims 0 oil pressure at idle is ok as long as the lifters don't start ticking. I call BS on that. I went with an upgraded S&S oil pump and cam plate. It gives me almost 20 more psi at idle when hot. It also keeps the oil circulating better so the oil cooler can actually do it's job.
Ha, my whole engine was ticking! @@henrydhamster1093
I have 07 SG 124” with dual Jags six tube dual pass oil coolers. Also Love Jugs Mighty Mite fans and the combo does a good job of cooling. I live in SE Texas were it gets brutally hot in summer.
I've got tank lift of 2" from DK customs. ( air moves over heads and cylinders better, air diverters on tank lift help as well. Relocated oil filter to get in the wind. If I'm stuck in traffic I'll split lanes or run the shoulder until I can get out of it.
Put Love Jug fans on my 2010 Road King years ago work great, glad I did.
I enjoy your videos, thank you. I just had a Ultra Cool oil cooler with fan assistance mounted to my 2005 103 Electra Glide. This October I want cylinder air fans added, (Luv Jugs.) This bike is now a family heirloom to be passed from one generation to the next, I want it to have a fighting chance.
2015 CVO Softail Deluxe 110 cu: I use Synthetic Oil. I use the Wards Werks (No Longer in business) cooling fans with a snap temp switch (Auto on&off) Black RTV to one of the front jug fins, still going strong since I had them on my 2011 Deluxe. Love Jugs MIGHTY-MITE fans look nice and are small and are almost identical to Jason Ward's fans except they don't use the snap switch, they are just on or off but are completely user rebuild-able and the colors of screens are interchangeable these fans are reliable, my wife has them on her 2017 Ultra and is getting read to add the HD mid frame fan to direct heat down and away as well. I use an OIL Bud oil cooler hidden under the frame, no issues other than a little bit of chrome chipped off a fitting after 4 years of use, way past the warranty and Oil Bud sent out a replacement line for free no questions. I also had Stainless steel heat shields (Looks really good and has a heat absorption rate far less than steel, how ever the machinist said he would never do it again because they were so hard to make lol) made identical to the Harley ABS mid-frame heat shields then added a 2000 degree sticky back fiber insulating heat shield to the inside of that and also put it under my seat as well. Over all the 2015 CVO Deluxe 110 cu engine runs hotter than any other engine out there, after adding all this cooling equipment its very tolerable now, I still have to put my right foot up from time to time and the oil cap still gets hot but over all its very enjoyable to ride and I will never sell it! Hope this helps the next person, feel free to ask me any questions. I went through all of this because I love the look of the bike, you don't ride a softail, your wear a softail.
I ran Castro syntec car oil because it had the best thermal stability and I changed the oil at 1500 miles riding in Miami for 25 miles in stop and go traffic on the palmetto expressway.
I’m using the PC Racing UltraCool oil cooler and Flo Reusable spin on oil filter on my 2021 HD Tri Glide and couldn’t be happier
I have a 2006 FXSTSI Springer. After doing a lot of research, I just bought an Oil Bud oil cooler and hope to have it installed next weekend as well as putting in new cams and a high pressure oil cooler.
living in the south I definitely run fans , Love Juggs mighty mites black , looks good .
Installed a Harley Davidson Oil cooler on my 1983 FXWG before Squadron got moved to Japan in 1987. Still have it, even after transferring to Philippines. Like it still using it.
Anything you can do to cool the bike down is worth it. I had a cam and tune put on my bike this past summer, and that alone DRASTICALLY reduced the heat. I have radiators on my 17 CVO that would usually continue to run after shutting the bike down, after the cam and tune, it is rare that they run after shutdown and I can physically feel the reduced heat. If you are in the coastal NC region near Wilmington, go see Ryan at Salter Speed Shop, he's a tuning Ace!! He got my 114 running the best it ever has!
The M8’s do run a little cooler than the older ones. I went with aftermarket headers with no cats, did a DK ventilation breather/vented dipstick with a good dyno tune and mine is very comfortable to ride. If I do have to sit in traffic for awhile, it’s very manageable
Agree. I purchased a new Ultra Limited in 2014, and found it unbearable in stock form. Even after having the cat removed, a Power Commander installed, and the bike dyno tuned, I was shocked when I rented a Road Glide on Oahu, and found its M8 engine noticeably cooler, especially in stop and go traffic. I learned 2 things on that rental Road Glide. In addition to being cooler, I'm a tall rider and I found the Road Glide a more comfortable fit than the Ultra Limited, so as soon as I was back home, I traded in my Ultra Limited for a new 2018 Road Glide Ultra, and I've never regretted it.
I saw the new JIM'S USA cooling system recently and really considered it, but I didn't think about the right leg heat. Solid point!
I've been running the fans on my S&S 124 for years .....they work great ....I can watch the engine temp drop when turned on when I have it hooked up to my laptop...doing tuning
That's awesome! The fans make a huge difference and really keep the power in the engine longer by simply keeping it cooled off.
I don't add anything to block the flow of air. What i did do is have my engine ribs diamond cut. I later was told that really helps keep the engine cooler. I believe it, cause I don't get bothered by engine heat.
Nay for me on cooling fans. Yes they do work but I don't like the look or the sound of the fans. There are other ways to cool off a Harley that I prefer. Personal choice.
Here in the PNW maritime rain shadow, not sure many air cooled engines in general have issues keeping cool. I put a UltraCool system on my '08 Road King because just seemed to be jumping in the frame after a 1.5 hour ride. Don't recall Dad's bikes ever doing that, so I took his '03 Road King out and sure enough, nada. Next rode his '98 (carbureted) Dyna, and nada again. So I checked my bike oil, and wasn't really all that low, topped it off, still not much to write home about. Got the UltraCool stuff installed, and Flo (re-useable) oil filter (cuz 20w-50 is some sticky stuff! Way different than 0w-20! You will notice!). Weather held long enough to finish the install, then the mobile waterfall came and parked for a while. There's sky this morning!
Adding oil coolers and larger filters are good ways to increase the volume of oil in the system. More oil & more surface are will drop the temperatures.
Hard pass on the jug fans for me. My low mount Jaggs keeps my 100” build plenty cooled. No worries of leaks if you upgrade to the proper clamping hardware either. Only chance of a leak is busting a hole in it, and the screen I put in front of it helps minimize that risk.
I have a stock 2018 Road Glide Ultra, and I always stop, left foot down, right foot on the brake pedal. If you have to stop for a light on a hill, this makes taking off again much easier. Start rolling on the throttle while releasing the clutch, and as soon as you feel the bike start to pull, take your foot off the rear brake and you're on your way. But, to get to the point, it's never been too hot for my right leg despite keeping it up on the floorboard. I traded in my 2014 Ultra Limited which had the cat removed, a Power Commander installed, and was dyno tuned for a 2018 Road Glide Ultra after riding a rental on Oahu, and finding the stock M8 cooler as in rider comfort than my modified Ultra Limited. I found the twin cam 103 unbearable in stock form , my M8 107 stock doesn't bother me. And I strongly suspect that is why they created a new engine, because they needed a cooler engine if they were going to keep up sizing displacement and power.
Left foot down and right foot on the brake is what they teach in a motorcycle course and I’m amazed at how many people don’t do this. Also so many that can’t balance and duck walk the bike instead of practicing instead of dragging their feet !
@@h.d.mech.mortenson2098 a lot of Harley riders put both feet down at stops, I don't know why. And yes, no feet dragging even in stop and go traffic. When I pick my feet up, they go straight to the floorboards every time.
Great subject. My 100,000 mile carb'd EVO has none of the above. Recently I added a pair of hard lowers so that concerns me. I haven't decided if they block air from the engine or channel more air in. They are nice to have in the rain.
I think the Evo can take a huge amount of heat -- I had one in the 100K+ range and often got stuck in rushhour traffic -- the kind where you can't shut off, but you certianly get to practice your low-speed control... Once it got so hot after a hour-plus of the stuff that my alternator quit charging, and I was sure the motor was toast... I took it very easy once I could get moving, but it clearely wasn't happy and anything other than the most gentle throttle got the rattle of pinging... Once I got home, I changed the oil, as I figure it was shot -- next day, surprise, surprise... it charged just fine, started and ran like its old self -- can't say I recimmend such abuse, b ut I was stuck between Jersey walls and a 3-4 mile back-up... ya gotta love those Evos !! Rode the rascal another 20K miles nefore I sold it -- engine had never been opened...
@@dcstrng1 Yeah me too. I hope I never have to cook it like that again but it was fine and still runs like forever with the CV. no oil cooler or fan. But I would do a fan b4 a cooler. What year you have now?
I love oil coolers! I fix a lot of charging systems on Touring bikes, many, many have coolers mounted. They are great for stators and regulators. Because those parts love the heat.
I adjust my riding time here in East Tennessee during the hottest days , on the road by 7 usually home by 1, stay away from the tourist, back roads thru the mountains and valleys (tomorrow morning 65 ). DW
Two years ago I installed a Jim’s Force flow fan in the position of the stock horn bracket. Moved the horn up to the bracket where the stabilizer bar mounts on frame just in front of the gas tank on the same side. The horn inside the Jim’s FF just wasn’t loud enough for me so I wired the old one to work also. Attention getter for sure when I need it. Also added a fan assist to oil cooler. All of this was added to a stage 2 with breather bypass. Never have overheating issues according to the gauges on my FP3. This is a 2018 Road King
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I'm considering after my build this September the Jim's Fan as it replaces the original horn & comes with it also built into the Jim's Fan....
I personally think it looks alot cleaner than the LoveJugs....
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I put on the love juggs fan setup. Works great for any high temperature stop and go riding. Stopped roasting my junk Sitting in traffic.
Keep a good oil change !
My stage 1 96" twin cam runs hotter when oil needs changed (oil breaks down)
I run neither, but I like an idea of both fans and oil cooler.
friction is a wear & heat combo. together they wear out motor parts, shorting the engine life, and creating a lot of heat. you can reduce the heat in the ways mentioned, but no mention of the cause, friction, the real killer. that starts with a good lube or a lube additive and correct engine tolerance. In my 50+ years of motorcycling, all makes, models, and builds, synthetic oil rules, or at least a semi-syn. changed often, depending on what air temp and environment you ride in. I have found a good tunning, and oil additives do help. my shovelhead runs all day not breaking 200* my 2 twin cams are the same, and all 3 are cammed, why! is a friction reducer, an additive to my oil. in traffic at a crawl in 90* temps it's higher, never above 225*. I run an oil temp and pressure gauge with an oil cooler on all, to monitor what's going on. try a product called motor coat, you can get it at truck stops. air-cooled engines need all the help they can get. even a 20-60wt. in twin-cams help in hot temps. they run so damm hot especially when big cylinders and radical or performance cams and components are used. good review.tks.
Dude what an interesting topic. The local police here in Erie Pennsylvania have cooling fans on there but her how big twins they have and they took they said the same exact thing
For sure Police duty on a Harley it's almost mandatory to have them!
I’ve added a auxiliary oil cooler with fans. The fans rarely come on. My 22 trike runs cooler. I have decatted the exhaust and use a pv4 . I have used love jugs in the past and I’m impressed with the cooling. But I always use a ultra cool oil cooler …
I've got a set of Love Jugg fans on my 103, and when I'm at a stop with them running I rest my right leg on the crash bars to avoid the heat being blown and balance with my left leg down.
I have the Love Jugs mighty mites and the and the factory fan assisted oil cooler on my 21 Road Glide. Figured the combination would help a bit. Especially living in the WANG of the united states (Florida) where right now its been 95 degrees daily with a real feel of 108 with the humidity.
It's been over one hundred a week and a half with the heat index
hahaha, never heard that term for FLA. dyin'! 🤣
Mystfree breathers and breather bypass lines, bike runs 10 degrees cooler. Properly tuned Mikuni , VR1 Dino racing oil on my stage 4 107” stroker and she gets hot but doesn’t overheat. Put her through the test yesterday sitting in traffic.
A lot of the influencers who film the rallies dont show it, but there are a lot of liquid cooled bikes at those rallies not just Harleys lol. Me and my bros actually ride our metrics with their liquid cooling to the rallies for this reason, we are fine to sit in that jammed up traffic on Main Street, and we just ride the Harleys on road trips where its straight through with no stop and go traffic.
As long as it does the job & holds the look on the bike💯👌🏽✌🏻✊🏿
Luv Jugs on my Softail are working out great!
Yes they are! There's the Jim's fan too, it's really a great way to really cool the bike down and get the head temperatures down.
Your chalice made me appreciate my Harley more than I thought I did. It's really great at it just chubbs down the road super nice and I have good seat on it and some luggage stuff and it's fine just fine. I just love your channel it's just sell right there and all this stuff about twin cams and all that stuff I don't know the sports are has gear-driven camps and I just love it no chains none of that stuff potato potato potato potato potato
Twin Cams are good motors in my opinion, they need TLC like anything else!
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I live here in the San Joaquin Valley of California where the Summers are 100F plus....I run a Jagg Oil Cooler without a fan...It works great for me....What also helps is being able to Split lanes at Stop lights....
I live in Bako and been contemplating an oil cooler. What kind of bike do you ride and what oil in the 3 holes?
@@charlessmith3127 A 2012 Dyna FatBob 103 Castrol Syn or Lucas Syn 20/50W in Engine and Primary and a 80/90 W Gear Oil in my Trans....
After getting a tuner which has helped a lot , still on the fence about putting at least an oil cooler on the front of my Fat Bob. I have seen a few that look great and you can't even tell it's there because it just disappears on the frame. Will wait till winter for a project such as that .
2 bikes with highly modded engines. Both bikes have fan assisted oil coolers and head fans. I never need to worry about engine temps and the bikes always running at 100% power. Peace of mind and the look isn’t terrible. Yes I would love to have a cleaner setup but not at the price of a hot engine with low power and self destruction.
Having my dealer add the Harley Fan oil cooler to my new 2023 Street Glide 107 before I drive it home! When I realized the Police bikes come with this option its something I wanted from day one as I live in a coastal, Southern resort area with lots of stoplight summer traffic. For around $460 dealer installed It was the 1st upgrade I did and will make me feel a bit better about my engine next summer!
I'm running the stock oil cooler on my 2015 Street Glide. I'm in Southern California it's not to awfully hot here. But I've given serious thought about those jug fans.
I seen at Sturgis last year.
Tests have been done on the EITMS system... it does not help cooling the engine. It is designed for rider comfort. Oil cooler fans work well. Head fans work well too. Sometimes you have to add stuff that detracts from the looks. Without a running engine, you basically have an expensive boat anchor. The key is to stay out of stop and go traffic. Oil breaks down at 270*. The goal is to keep the oil temp at or below 230*. You can manage the oil temp with a dipstick gauge. Back in the day we used to pull over and let our bikes cool down. The Love Jugs can be powered through the auxiliary plug on the right side of the bike.
Keep in mind you will typically reach higher engine temps at high ways speeds
@@ut1004bp are you referring to cylinders/heads or oil? the only way to check the oil temperature on a HD that I know of is to install an oil temp dipstick gauge, which can only be checked when the bike is not running. I am going to look at the myriad of electrical gauges on my truck and see if there is an oil temp gauge. I may be wrong, but I think it only has an oil pressure gauge, which our newer HDs already has. so, you are telling me, that an air cooled HD engine will run hotter on an open highway compared to sitting at an idle? if so, I beg to differ with you.
@@richardrussell500 Temp increases on hwy riding (65 mph+ Hot days) noted by Engine Temp sensor via Powervision on my M8 (street glide 107 with S&S camplate and Oil pump, Wood's 22xe cam..good fuel mileage with no lein burning conditions noticed) I didn't have my Head Temp value set to watch but I'd say it would most certainly follow if not lead that increase.. Highway riding, your engine will become its hottest.. Yes, I also have a HD oil temp dipstick
I agree with you regarding head/cylinder temp, which different than oil temp. The HD manual only addresses oil temp, which is considered normal at 230*. For those of us who do not have a tuner, the only way to monitor temps is via the oil :-)
@@richardrussell500 though not as accurate, you can buy a non contact IR thermometer for at least, relative temp readings for other surface areas
I ride a twin cooled M-8 now, but I used to ride an 08 Road King with a 120 R. I had a fan assist oil cooler and a set of Love Jugs. They kept the bike cool, but I live in Columbia SC and it's hot as balls here in summer. If I got stuck at a light in the summer, I was seriously thinking of murdering the cage drivers in front of me
for keeping me from making my right turn.
Between the heat hitting my right leg and the vibration from that big motor, It about sent me over the edge.
Any thoughts of anybody running oil additives that add zinc and phosphorus back to the oil for added protection since they took it out because the cats on the exhaust. The old muscle car oils all have it to mostly proteck the flat tappet cams but they say it benefits any engine. Cam 2 and Lucas are just a few that make it.
Yes definitely, when I get the time I want to put love jugs on my 17 ultra . Personally I don't think they look that bad either. I am curious if the lower fairings with the vent block that much air flow. If you have any knowledge about that I'd really appreciate hearing from you. Love your videos, please keep up the great work. Thank you.
Have lowers on my 21 FLHTP, and with the vents open, I didn't really notice it running any hotter than it did, even this summer at 90°.
I've been using a Jagg for years on my FXDX. No fan on cooler or cylinders but I'm in upstate NY and it rarely gets above 90
2013 Street Glide with Jim’s Force Flow Fan & UltraCool Oil Cooler, I’m ready for the hot Louisiana summers.
I like the look of that Jim's fan! They work damn good too!
Pick up a laser thermometer,when you're sitting in a traffic jam check those cylinders just for S#&T and giggles. Of course the heads will be hot that's where the combustion takes place. 250 degrees won't melt valves or anything else in the combustion chamber for that matter.
An effective oil cooler, such as Ultra Cool is the way to go. Although fans may blow air over the cylinders to reduce surface engine temperatures the oil remains hot, or negligibly cooled, thus your down low bearings, etc. which rely on oil circulation to cool hot engine parts is compromised. If oil is too hot regardless of air flow, or lack thereof, your engine oil temperatures will rise faster than oil can be cooled.
Living in the LA area(Cali), I am running an Oil Bud Cooler setup! We have the option of splitting lanes in traffic so I am always moving! No issues on 2001 Ultra 88; running 210-230 degrees depending on weather.
I have a fan assist oil cooler and the rear cylinder fan from HARLEY DAVIDSON next will be love jugs keeping that temp down when stuck in traffic is a winner on you the motor and the oil
I just had Adam (Amsoil Adam) of X-treme Bikes install a set of Love Jugs on my 2022 Heritage this past May during this springs Myrtle Beach Bike Week. Gave me a reason to ride down to Myrtle and visit my oldest brother who has retired to Myrtle Beach.
The bikes EITMS will engage when stopped with the fans on if I’m doing slow maneuvers due to traffic or if I’m been running on the highway for a while and need to stop due to traffic in the hot weather. Just think how hot the engine gets without the fans. I’ll take the fans any day.
Look, I repair automobiles and am currently working on a 1963 Porsche 356 which has an air cooled engine, with a FAN even, running off the back end of the generator a la a VW beetle. The early air cooled Porsche 911’s used a fan. The Chevy Corsair also ran an air cooled engine with a cooling fan. Oh, and Preston Tuckers cars were designed with air cooled engines using a cooling fan.
Something about FANS and air cooled engines 😂
The fans make a big difference in keeping those head temperatures down, ideally around 200 is a good place to be realistically. Without fans in stop and go traffic you might see temperatures in the 230 to 250 range which is very hot but not totally out of spec.
Richer tune and a home made external breather. Made a big differance.
In Cali we split lanes to keep our engines cool and collect rearview mirrors for fun.
My fat bob has no cat and a oil cooler but in traffic I turn on the love jugs works great m8 114 ported heads 468 cam external breather with a Trax vent 138 hp and 142 tork with a tune no heat problems love my love jugs
I have a 2019 HD Breakout 114 FXBRS with Stage 2 and I installed the UltraCool oil cooler and the Love Jugs Softail fan. I also have the Flo billet oil filter, Trask M8 Transmission Top Cover, modded the air cleaner to external breather, and a temperature gauge dip stick, running synthetic oil. My bike runs sooooo much cooler. I installed both myself and this is the best setup. It should be the standard!!! If anyone has questions, reach out. I can assist.
I am running an ultra cool fan assisted oil cooler with love jugs and a captin itch leather heat shield ride in high 80 to 90-degree weather in Southern California to Texas. Best combination I can come up with for my 2001 88 now 100 twin cam.
I live in the tropics on North-East Coast of Australia. Not much traffic up my way, but it's always very warm. I am looking for a fan assisted oil cooler & fans for my 1998 FLHTUCI 95th Anniversary. Would like to see a comparison test of different systems
I like the idea of an oil cooler. I don't think that affects the look too much. I don't really like the look at the fans although I would agree that they are really going to work nicely if you're stuck in traffic a lot. I don't personally have fans on any of my Harley and I only have an oil cooler on one of them. I will probably add oil coolers to the other two and then possibly fans to my Shovelhead which really gets hot when sitting
my take-a good quality fan assisted oil cooler eg. Jagg or JIMS Force Fan cooler have some benefits, however I would first ensure my bike has a Stage 1 upgrade with a good tune, EBS installed, EITMS enabled, high spec’d synthetic oil, tank lift (optional) before I commit to install a fan assisted oil cooler and or fans.
GixerFoo, I was thinking about what you said about shutting the engine down at long lights or stopped traffic, but starting hot engines can sometimes be a little squirrelly. How about doing a video on the S&S Easy Start cams that reduce the starting compression and ease the strain on the starter? I’ve been contemplating a big bore, higher compression, cam plate/high performance oil pump, and cam upgrade with the Easy Start cams, but I haven’t heard you address the starter problems that come with higher compression and bigger bores. In addition I’m not sure if it’s only S&S that has the Easy Start option for their cams or if other aftermarket cams have the option available. As usual good stuff and keep it coming.
ACR valves are an option for any non ez start cam.
That's an excellent idea! The easy start cams a great option if your bike doesn't have automatic compression releases. Easy start cams are a much more cost effective option than having your heads machined for compression releases. Not to mention if you have to remember to push the releases on both heads if you don't install electric auto releases.
It's actually the lifters bleed down on heat soaked engines that give you hard starts when hot. It's why alot of guys like me choose to use limiters adjusted 1 flat off of them.
I have a 93 Sporty, 1250, Andrew's n8 cams ported and polished heads, with a turbocharger. I have a oil cooler, no fan assist and it does a good job. Where I live there not a crazy amount of stop and go traffic
Added the Fan assist to Factory Oil Cooler. Installed the Harley CoolFlow Fan to draw hot air from rear of motor and direct it toward the ground.
No fan on the side to blow hot air on me!
Those are really a neat idea that Harley has to keep that engine heat pulled down away from the rider!
I have oil cooler on both 09 Sportster and 11 Softail also fan on Softail. Oil temp runs around 130 degrees on both.
Correction on temperature, 230 degrees not 130.
What a fabulous channel! Love it and appreciate the hard work it takes to make it happen!
Thank you!! I really appreciate your support!
Love jugs and Amsoil together is the best two things to keep that Harley chillin
I don't have any extra cooling things yet, but I'm thinking about putting an oil cooler with a fan on my bike
living in las vegas nv i run a fan assisted oil cooler and a set of luv jugs. both are switch operated so i can turn them on and off when ever.i have a 05 roadking with big bore kit and it has saved me a couple times being stuck in traffic
I install love Jugs they work excellent, I live very close to new york city and many times I do get stuck in traffic.
You've got the absolute right setup for where you're riding!