Ultracool oil cooler part 2 HARLEY DAVIDSON
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- I WENT ON A SHORT RIDE ON MY HARLEY DAVIDSON ROAD GLIDE WITH THE 128 BIG BORE KIT MOTOR IN IT SO I COULD TAKE SOME TEMPERATURE READINGS WITH MY LASER TEMP READER AND THEN WENT BACK TO THE GARAGE TO INSTALL THE ULTRACOOL SECONDARY OIL COOLER WITH DUAL FANS AND A ULTRACOOL OIL FILTER. BOTH PRODUCTS BRING THE OIL TEMPS DOWN BY 60 DEGREES F
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As someone who made a living working with steam pipes and recording temps to troubleshoot systems. Shooting shiny chrome will give you bogus numbers even shiny black gives bogus numbers . I carried a can of flat black spray paint to get accurate temps. If you want to compare before and after accurate temps with this cooler, the correct way would be to use a oil temp gauge with an oil temp sending unit.
@@BlancoFlaco Yep, his 163 oil temp should have made John realize his numbers are off
I met JJ and his wife this weekend at Laguna Seca. Cool guy. Very knowledgeable. The 10 minute conversation we had sold me on ultra cool. Thanks for posting this. I live in the valley between LA and Fresno. Temps get around 109 in the height of summer. This is much needed.
Great meeting you & your buddy! Hope we can help during this hot Bakersfield summer 🥶
LOVED your temperature demo 👍🏻
Thank you!!!!
Since Minnesota summers are getting as hot as Florida, I’m gonna need to invest in that oil filter cooler & fan.
You know those numbers were nowhere close to accurate. Anyone that knows how to check temps understands that’s not how it’s done. Distance, finish… way to many factors complicated what he tried to do.
Fan assisted oil cooler should be standard at this point.
I definitely appreciated when the fans blew your hat off, shows the power 💪🏻💪🏻
I realize a lot of people love power. But there is a lot of negatives that come with it. Gimme an 80 inch Evo or Shovel. I put on many trouble free miles on these machines. You add some power on a Twin cam or Quad Valve.......next you go to chain drive......then maybe update the Trans...... then the cooling system never seems to be good enough. Then you get used to it and try to find more hoarse power. Ever notice when you haven't been able to ride for awhile it seems like your on a rocket. Then you get used to it........ I love my 2014 Street Glide for the comfort. I look at things to make it more reliable not necessarily faster. One of the best things Harley did was the belt final drive. Ive had three Evo's with this and put on over 100,000 miles on each one. I had a 1985 SUper Glide with the chain. It was a royal pain until I discovered O-ring chains. Eventually I traded to a 1987 Soft Tail. I loved the belt drive. Gimme an EVO with a belt drive......a mild cam......and S&S carburetor. To each his own.
I believe we are from the same school sir... the Old one. Still have my 1988 FXR. Still my favorite of all I've owned. Including my M8 SGS.
Need oil temp gauge brother. Got a power vision on my twin cam. Head temps in the high 280s in stop and go traffic. Stock 96 stage 1. Biggest thing with these bikes is keep them moving. Not meant to sit in traffic.
As I alway say you put out some of the most interesting and informative videos on extremely important products.. can’t wait to see the numbers lol
I don't spend a lot of time on RUclips and it shows sometimes when I step on sponsors by suggesting other parts.. Sorry about that (smirking)... I believe that fan/cooler is Legit. I will be checking it out, possibly fabbing up a crash bar to go horizontal with it.
I have a 2022 St. glide and I have a 2011 Rd. king. I just called up the company I got two cool oil coolers I got two oil filters from this guy JJ spoke with him for about an hour great guy great time I can't wait to get them and put him on my bike thank you for this video.
John that thing sounds like a jet engine LOL. Can't wait to see the follow-up video to this have a good trip to Milwaukee.
I put an UltraCool fan assisted oil cooler and FLO reusable oil filter on my 17 FXDLS and never looked back. I'm also running the V&H FP3 tuner which helped to richen up the mix a little bit. The bike definitely runs cooler now.
Those fans sounded like a jet plan lol. Great video!
Pretty nice set up. Looking forward to doing this to my Ultra. But!!??? $500 for the cooler and another $150 for the filter???? Man-O-Man! I can think of allot of other ways to spend $650.
The reflection from the chrome will give you inaccurate readings, the matte finishes will give you the most accurate readings. Chrome messes with the laser. Love your channel man! loving the build as well!
Thank you 🙏
Great video looking into getting one for mine waiting for the numbers video 👍
That fan almost blew your toupee off!!🤣😂🤣😂
I had my rear jug shut down other day due to overheating (running hard af on a 95* day… all hwy so lots of air hitting thst OEM cooler and the fins on the cyls). Took me a min to realize what happened. Thought I blew a head gasket or cracked a sleeve or piston .. felt and sounded like lost lots of compression.. motor felt like it was on a broken mount and sounded way wrong and lost half its power.
I shut it down when I got to the spot. Then was ok. Been fine since. Took me a bit to realize what happened.. rear cyl shut down fit.
So yea .. additional cooling just ran up to the top of the bike mod list.
Very cool!! No pun intended!!
Well done John! Enjoy Milwaukee!!🇺🇸🇺🇸
John my ocd I'd undo the fans from the cooler and flip them so the wires are on the frame side and not visible from the left side. Would look so much cleaner.
Thanks for this info I just ordered mine.
Another great video Brother!!!
I would like to preface by saying great video as always. It's been said that oil is the life blood of any engine and keeping it clean and cool will prolong the life of any internal combustion engine. I would advise anyone thinking of using any aftermarket product, especially ones that market their use as being "race proven", to keep in mind that engines used on the race track and engines being used on the street have very different requirements, engines used for racing usually get tore down and rebuilt or replaced after each race or just after a race or two, street engines are meant to last up to hundreds of thousands of miles before a rebuild. DO YOUR RESEARCH before installing a component that is designed for and regularly used on the race track on a street engine. I've personally thought about using that very oil filter but after some research, and I whole heartedly agree that the current 5 micron oil filters are somewhat restrictive, I decided to use K&N's oil filter, it's less restrictive filtering to 25 microns, freeing up a bit of power and lessons the need of going into bypass mode. Don't forget that even a reusable filter has certain requirements that a disposable won't, like making sure the filter pleats are completely clean and dry along with replacing the o-ring(a part that may not be available at your local parts store) before installation. Again, do your research before deciding what's best for you and your engine.
Just ordered Ultracool for Chopped Guard. Thanks, need it for North Carolina summers and for Stage 2. I’ll be able to tell the dimwits my Powervison temperature gauge.
Measuring temperatures with an infra red thermometer on highly reflective surfaces is very hard to get accurate.
Yes it’s not perfect but it does show what sort of heat (ballpark) is in those heads
I show the same temps on cylinders but check it at the spark plug but your oil temps aernt accurate my temps show around 200-230 at those cylinders temp
John, double check that port you plugged into. I believe that plugs into the HD alarm siren, which it doesn’t look like u have. The accessory port should be under the right side cover, at least that’s where it was for my 2017. I haven’t looked for it on my 22 ST yet.
Ok thanks
The auxiliary port is on the right side behind the side cover... I used this port for my love jugs on my trike. With that said, you have to turn on the ignition switch to power the fans using this port.
He’s right your using the wrong port
@@richardrussell500 Exactly
Those filters are great.
Been using the "Scott's " ss/ aluminum filter on my R6 for 17 years
Would like to install this system but I have a road glide limited and would require me to cut up my lower faring to install which I think is not designed to the bike it’s forcing you to modify your bike to meet there design ! They should be able to design something that would work without this drastic modification! I am still searching for other remedies!
Harley and Indian should have these products from the factory. On delivery of the bike. Why don't they do this. ? Potential liability. Someone would forget to clean or reinstall the metal screen oil filter element. Or at least a dozen other things could / would go wrong. That's why. And it's a shame.
Well, I guess if you get a Challenger, you won’t have to worry about it.
HD should do a lot of things to keep these engines happy...
@@onlyhereonce7290 they like to sell parts and accessories, including oil filters.
I'm glad you made this video because it might be a coincidence but I did this same test two weeks ago here in Florida when it was 92 degrees after riding for 2hrs and my oil ws at 213 degrees. I expected it to be way Hotter but I am running Amsoil so maybe it helps keep it cooler. Thanks for the video.
Btw I shot the blazer in the dipstick hole to get a better reading.
Quick question, I know it's true that the paper filters do have restrictions, but isn't it the efficiency of the parts per million filtration benefits important too? What are the parts per million values of this filter versus a later filter?
I do want to get my 07 , 96 cube , TC to run cooler. I'm on a budget , so asking for a friend, 😎
The HD paper filter will filter down to 5 microns... however, paper filtering is not always consistent. The Flo filter filters down to 35 microns. However, it is consistently filtering at 35.
Zero filtration when in bypass & washes off particles that have been trapped and run back through the engine. This is a big issue on VTwins because of the heavy weight oil we have to use.
I have a 2016 FatBoy 110B that is running hot (250deg); I installed this exact filter and it didn't make any difference. I know I need to Dyno it to get the proper fuel mixture (currently tuned with a Screaming Eagle tuner), but I was hoping this would help. At least I have better oil flow👍
Good stuff.
I have a Harley Davidson 131 crate engine with a wood X 77 cam and upgraded oil pump and cam plate tuned with a PowerVision . Also running love jugs and the electric Harley Davidson oil cooler fan and mine runs all the way up to 333 Degrees according to my power vision.
So you’re saying the cooler oil doesn’t help the Engine temperature? That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I have a 103 tc Dyno tuned power vision I took the thermostat off the oil cooler, 1.5 tank lift flow oil filter. Powervision reading 258 today in 82 degrees. Harley says it should be 230 degrees Don’t want to buy a ultra cool if it’s not going to lower the ET
Unfortunately, those handheld thermometers are somewhat inaccurate... to get a consistent reading you have to aim steadily and at a certain distance from the target. It is my understanding that the best place to take a head temp reading is at the left side spark plugs. Have you considered a dipstick thermometer? It will be interesting to see how loud those fans are when the bike is running. The true test will be in hotter temperatures and stop and go riding. I look forward to your next video to see the results. As I said before, I would be concerned about over cooling. My two cents. Best of luck :-)
Mr. Cycle Fanatix Question ? What type of fog lights do you have installed on your bike the ones on the lower bar.
Is Ultracool going to be in Milwaukee this week? I'd love to have them install this. Thanks!
I wish! We will be at Black Hills Harley during Sturgis. Have a great time visiting the mothership!
Thanks for the reply!! I thought I was cool, but not as cool as your system!
Are u able to install these cooling fans if you have lower front fairings on road glide?
yes they have a kit
I have worried about my Tri Glide since I bought it new in 21. So I have added things to it to help cool the engine. I am sure it’s helped but not much. So I am having the ultracool installed and I will give you a update once I get to ride it.
Thanks for sharing John. I like the solution of the ultracool kit but hate the execution. It is an ugly looking unit to have sticking out for all to see. There must be a better placement location.
There's no way I can see myself adding that to my bike. Just knowing that this kit exist is another testament to how poorly these bikes are designed. I love Harleys but I'll be damn if I'm going to add all of these ugly looking gadgets (including the Love Jugs) just to keep it running like all other bikes that don't require them.. I'll keep on splitting lanes until Harley hires an Indian designer. but good job John.. truly enjoy those videos. Learned a lot from them..
I’m a fellow A&P and that oil cooler makes sense.
It’s the 30 micron filter that lets oil flow back to the sump has me concerned about dry starts.
Bypass dirty oil I would think is better than no oil .
S&S oil filter is 10 microns but the 30 micron reusable and cooling it 10* has me thinking.
I agree since it does not have an anti drain valve... on my previous bike, I installed an oil filter relocation kit with the filter in the vertical position. No dry starts :-)
@@richardrussell500 Did you notice any reduce temp.?
@@rickbiggers4096 hard to say... this setup was installed on my 2020 Freewheeler that sumped and grenaded the engine at 8500 miles. I now use the HD oil temp/level dipstick on my current bike. I did not use that dipstick back then. my current bike does not have the relocation kit. my current bike has the HD oil cooler with their fan. yesterday I rode 15 miles in 95+ degree temps with some stop and go traffic. when I got home, my temp reading was 216*. with this combination I have only exceeded 230* one time. it read 231 after riding in 100+ degree weather for about 45 miles with stop and go traffic. I had some issues with the filter relocation kit before installation. I resolved those issues on my own. I chucked the hose/clamps that were supplied with the kit and used an AN fitting setup. costly, but much better in appearance and reliability. I had to make a tool to remove the engine case adapter as I could not get my hand in that tight space and generate enough torque to remove it. three issues with installation. the only place I could install it without major modifications was on the downtube where the factory information decal is on the left side. the mounting bracket absolutely destroyed the decal. secondly, there was a hard line that followed that same downtube from the top to the bottom. the spacing between the downtube and hard line was limited, which also limited the positioning options. accessing one of the bracket fasteners was almost impossible because it interfered with the cylinder head fins. torquing it tight was out of the question. trying to install the hose setup after installing the case adapter is a very difficult task. not one I found pleasure in. so, I installed the hoses on the adapter and then spun it to the case. it was clumsy and difficult. but I eventually got it to work. my guess is that it should help with cooling. however, I bought it mainly to make oil changes easier. I would never install this reusable filter in the horizontal position as it does not have an anti-drain back valve. I would be concerned about dry starts. best of luck : - )
@@richardrussell500 thank you for responding.
@@rickbiggers4096 you bet... we learn from each other's experiences. : - )
John,
Can u just use the oil filter without the whole kit?
Absolutely
Hey bud, would also like to know what type and brand oil your using, I noticed nice temp drop by running synthetic, lots out there and used both HD but like Amsoil. And those fan are noisy, can they tilt outward so there not blowing on your leg?
You mentioned “the clubhouse”. Saw a dude rocking a “fourth watch” patch. You a retired Leo?
I'm curious if you had to do more than the average amount of clutch adjustments with the Big Bore kit?
If it still is too hot throw a set of Love Jugs or a Jims fan on it. Taking the time and spending the money now while your motor is new will add 50,000 miles to the life of the motor.
Nice work John. Question, do they sell the oil filter component as a stock replacement? 10 degrees is 10 degrees. The reusability of the filter is a plus. And let's be honest it looks pretty trick. 👍
Yes
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I've got one on my 09 RK and it certainly runs cooler now. My only concern atm is that it seems really loud once the fans kick in.... especially since I put a fairing on the bike. Do you find this?
Not at all I cannot hear it over my exhaust
Ja ja ja ...😂...mucho poder.❤
Are you running the stock oil cooler with the ultra as well? Can this be done?
You should check out Dk custom I run a 2013 ultra with a 117 and they make a great oil filter relocation kit that puts the filter in the wind and away from the front of the motor I also run a ultra cool oil cooler and the love jugs usually run in the 230 to 250 max oil temp on a 100 dregree day
Check the temperature inside your helmet!! Damn it sounded hot in there!!😂😂
I was going to order this for my twin cam. Did you have a coupon code?
I dont
It sure doesn’t look good John, the fans and wiring need to be cleaned up.
Anyone know the results with just the oil filter?
Was that you on 208 north on the shoulder earlier today?
I am curious, does it blow the hot air to your leg?
Basic knowledge:
micron rating is there for a reason so is bypass at the filter.
Now how about DK customs tank lift? That should help also or by what they say 😂
Temp gun is not accurate on your pipes John. Temperature is hotter than that, should be neighborhood of 400 F
That oil temp is not hot enough… 190 min and 240 max… this is operating range of Valoline which is a leader in the industry.
Oil that cool is not good…
Hi. My HD is a stage RG, the pipes discoloration due to overheat. Is there any way to reduce the heat? RG stage 2 here.
I thought you were going to do a installation video.
It'll be nice if the fan can be adjusted to face the motor and not your leg. Thinking, winter riding gonna suck when that air hits you
It wouldn’t come on in the winter since the fans wouldn’t need to
I have a 2021 tryglide same setup but no love jugs same result
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So can you just put the oil filter on your bike without the oil cooler?
Yes 👍🏼
first of all you cant go by the parts king of the baggers use
their motors are always being torn down.which has nothing to
do with street riding.and second that flo filter i would not use
it doesn't capture all the particles like a k&n filter.but that cooler i like
they move lots of air and my 170 hp m8 needs lots of air.
Can the cooler be used if you have lowers?
Yeah u have to cut the lowers just a little not much ultra cool sells a kit for lowers u can look at the manual on how it installs really simple just cut the vent off
I'm not sold on this thing. I still think it's a gimmick like these after market spark plugs that promise 10hp gains.
Get Sandy to point a thermo imaging camera much better demonstration
Any discount code?
Clubhouse.