2022 Toyota Tundra vs Ford F-150: Both Trucks Did Better Than I Expected, But The Big Winner Is...
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How is the long term Silverado trail boss doing?
To short of a loop. Seems like best case scenario. Going to take those numbers with a grain of salt
How about the 7.3 godzilla with a supercharger does the super ike?
@@MH-py1ou I agree it is a short loop, but best case scenario is what you actually want in a MPG test I think. Obviously everyone's mileage is going to be a bit worse due to driving habits, even so, with the MPG that they both got, even if it drops 2-3 MPG real world driving, that is still pretty good.
@@SSMedic That is true.
Considering Andre purchased the Ford as his personal truck it had to be tough saying the Tundra pulled a little bit better. Thank you for the honest apples to apples comparison Andre. This is exactly what prospective buyers of these vehicles need.
I agree. I was half expecting a little bias, but he didn't show any.
Honesty 🤙🏻
Andres my favorite and most unbiased journalist at TFL.
Third towing test for mileage of the Tundra. Seems out of place, as if trying to get better numbers
@@ryandoyle4344 don't you think it's fair to break it in? It was brand new, so I think they're trying to show how the mileage increases as you break it in.
They're heavier, so in all reality it should actually tow a little better in that respect. I'm 100% Ford guy, but I love Andre's honesty cause I know he'll point out things in vehicles that bug everyone. Anyone who says their vehicle is perfect is lying, lol.
I’m impressed how quiet the base F150 is. It doesn’t have all the sound deadening from the upper trims. I agree with others too the loop needs to go back to your 100 mile loop you used to do.
Quiet
Quite what?
There it’s fixed. Hope you guys and caramel can sleep better knowing it’s spelled correctly.
@@bobdennis4801 we're not the ones that put it up there now were we.
@@billmalec - you are still quite anal. Do you feel you corrected all that is wrong with the world now?? Spelling drives me nuts, but I get caught not proofreading my comments and spell check is not as good as you would like. Still fully understood what he was saying. I didn’t say anything otherwise.
When towing the Ford hybrid is no different than a regular EB F-150 but unladen it’s getting the fuel economy of a small car. Can’t wait to see what the hybrid Tundra can do considering Toyota perfected hybrid tech with the Prius.
Ford and Toyota share patens for that tech. Aisin made the hybrid components for Ford and Toyota hybrids. Toyota sold more hybrids than anyone else though.
Small diesel cars even get better mpg
@@vj8452 hydrogen cars are pretty efficient as well. For one reason are another all of them will eventually die off.
Not even close I used to have a 2016 passat that would give me 28-32 mpg on the streets and on highway conditions would yield about 38-40 and from what I gather civics, and corollas are much more economical in their fuel use.
@@vj8452 - Small diesel cars can’t tow 9000+ lbs or haul 1600 lbs in the back. Your comment is pointless. Diesel trucks of a similar size don’t do as well.
Hey spotted a possible cause of the pump refueling inaccuracy. On the 2nd loop with the f150 empty and tundra loaded.
At the start of the empty loop the F150 was refueled with the weight of the trailer on the back. Then at the end of the empty loop it was refueled with no trailer pushing down on the back. The opposite was true for the tundra towing loop. It went from refueling without a trailer to refueling with a trailer.
Both of these trucks have fuel tanks running lengthwise next to the frame. So squat from the trailer is gonna change the angle of the tank and possibly the "full" cut-off point.
I think in this case the on board mpg is more accurate. Burning 2 gallons from a 30 gallon fuel tank and refueling isn't gonna yield constant results.
As a "keyboard worrior" I would suggest refueling with the tongue jack down so the trucks sit like they're empty.
Thats a good thought. didnt even think of that.
Many years ago I heard of a story about a guy who bought a new car and went on a short trip and got like 40mpg on a car that should get about 15mpg. He brought it back to his friend at the dealership exclaiming the he is getting 40mpg. The dealership supposedly did a test run and confirmed the outstanding mileage and purchased the car back to further determine the reasoning for the outstanding mileage. Come to find out the gas tank wasn't venting and was actually collapsing a little each trip so after a few rounds it finally became apparent the it was the fuel tank.
Good catch.
Absolutely. They also need to do a longer loop. With the great mpg these are getting, a pump handle shutting off sooner is a massive change in mpg.
Minimum should be a single tank of fuel.
Wouldn’t make any difference,,,,,all these modern vehicles fuel tanks are vented plus the angles of loaded vs empty are minimal.
So glad the tundra is more fuel efficient, the 5.7 was cool but DAMN it was thirsty
True. And pairing with the 4.30 diff and 6 speed didn’t do any favors to mpg.
Amen, brother!!
I still love the 5.7...even if it is harder on fuel
5.7 are slow
@@theshield1613 Slow...are you kidding. It is pretty peppy.
I worked with the engineers at ford who designed the gas tanks. Just as an FYI, the tank is designed to be full when the pump auto stops, wait 10 seconds (for bubbling to settle) then pump again repeated three times. Not one 30 second pause.
I had 2017 and 2019 f150 with the ez fill cap 23 gallon tank and 36 gallon ..if you tried to top them off after the the first time the pump quit it would overflow all over the truck almost every time.
That is incorrect, you may have worked with engineers at ford but I'll bet you were the clerk or something. It pains me to have to explain all the time to people that you shouldn't top off your fuel tank. Not one manufacturer has designed a topping off fuel tank. The fuel tanks are designed to be full when the fuel pump auto stops.
You can do serious damage to the vapor canister, vent valve and purge valve. Just do a quick search on RUclips of topping off your fuel tank if you don't believe me. It even states on page 262 in the new F150 manual "Stop refueling when
the fuel pump nozzle automatically shuts off for the first time". It is in the Fuel and Refueling section of the manual
Awesome video TFL!
Not surprising since the hybrid F150 doesn't use its hybrid system while towing as Andre mentioned. Plus the Tundra has a longer stroke engine, which should, in theory, help with towing because it may be using a little less boost. The difference in stroke is 86.6 mm (Ford) vs 100mm (Toyota). The lower rear diff ratio is also another important factor. Now the highway mileage for the Ford is CRAZY good at 35.9 MPG!!!!
Also, because of the thicker air density in cold weather, the noise levels will be higher in the winter. I really notice this in Canada when it's -30 C in the winter vs +30 C in the summer.
Great test. I like how honest Andre is about possible explanations over the unexpected results.
I am IMPRESSED with both but especially the Ford.
40 miles is NOT enough to get an accurate mpg. Please do a tank of fuel minimum. Or at least 2-400 miles.
That was one of the greatest tests you've done. Both are impressive numbers.
Absolutely. That's why these guys are my favorite.
You do realize the Ford is a hybrid and the Toyota is NOT the hybrid engine, correct?
@@IADHDD He actually said that upfront. The test is not invalid. The towing numbers for the Tundra is what I was after.
Well I’m impressed. Heavier truck better tow mpg w/o hybrid? Wow and 36 mpg for the F150 is insane! 24 really doesn’t suck either.
The ford used a lot of pure electric power during the short run. My bro in law has a hybrid BMW and he makes a lot of short runs using pure electric. His mpg is like 50+. It’s still good.
36 mpg is fantastic. Wow.
@@georgiafan6618 Agreed! The reality is that most drivers take a lot of short trips and aren't towing most of the time, so a drivetrain tailored to delivering excellent MPG in urban commuting makes a lot of sense - as it targets the usage of most drivers. The guys who clock up most miles towing and/or off-roading are the minority of drivers.
SAW A TUNDRA LAST WEEKEND ON THE ROAD AND CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD, LOOKS GREAT IN PERSON
Yh i also saw a platinum trim in the blueprint colour and it looked really good in person
No, no it doesn’t
That 40 mile loop is just way too short for accurate fuel mileage calculations. And use the low speed fueling setting when fueling after the 30 seconds.
Just stop when the pump clicks off. That's what other tests use.
Too short? I got news for you. It would not make any difference if they had gone longer. These aren’t Diesel trucks were talking about here.
@@Matts000 I think he meant a longer trip would even out traffic delays and make for a more even average speed.
@@51AB aaa I see, ya that would make a difference
Andre, I always enjoy these tests. If you ever have the time, would you consider doing a second 'empty' mpg test at 60 mph just so see the difference in fuel efficiency?👍
The other truck not towing is already doing the test empty, which they also measure.
Hog wants an additional run at 60 to see the difference in unladen runs at 70 and at 60
@@JMacGyver1 I think Andre usually drives around 70 mph, I would just like to see the mpg difference between 70 and 60.
@@bradarmstrong7467 Thanks, I think we both answered at the same time. My estimate would be 2-3 mpg more at 60 mph.
@@rightlanehog3151
Probably 5.
Can you run 87 octane gas in both trucks while towing? I know the octane needs change at altitude but I'd like my next truck to not require premium unleaded.
Andre, with the tundra can you do a fuel octane to mpg comparison. I know it would be hard to do because you would have to do it over a few different days so you could get the tank completely empty. But with the price difference between 87 and 91 it would be useful data.
Not sure about Toyotas, but in my '15 F150 (2.7 EcoBoost) it takes a couple tank fulls of higher octane (93 here where I live) to get optimal results.
I am also interested in this. Toyota "Recommends" 87 Octane fuel for the Tundra.
Please please please do the 2021 Tundra vs 2022 Tundra MPG test in real life. So many people are saying that the new Tundra only gets a couple mpg better than the 5.7L Tundra. Would love to see this same test done with the old and new Tundra.
I drove a base 5.7 Tundra 2WD for a couple of months and my BEST economy was 18. And I was driving nice because it wasn't my truck.
12.4 ouch. My 21 Tundra gets 14mpg towing my 24ft boat.
Nobody else's ford gets that mog..
I think your loop is too short. Car and Driver fuel economy loops are 200 miles. So many variables that can’t be smoothed out in only 40 miles. With that being said I do like your videos.
This exactly. I love your videos, and about as good as you can get for real world results, however 48 miles is not enough to get an accurate reading.
Yup yup!
Minimum of one full tank please!! The short loop with a good mpg vehicle makes the mpg go all over the place with relying on the handle shutting off at exactly the same level. Poor science!
My manual states not to use cruise while towing(or rain); but I’ve done it on several occasions with no problem (not the rain). What I did notice is a big jump up in my mpg when not using it. Proving once again the brain is still the best computer.😄
Yeah I agree I can save a few miles per gallon by not using cruise
@@sohotimhot7975 Caramel eh. Are you a sweet candy 🍬 that likes trucks. Do you ride a stick???
I always use cruise in my F150. But I manually downshift before a grade and to avoid lugging the engine. I always get a bit better mileage at a slightly higher rpm according to the instant fuel burn guage.
Just got a new f150 3.5 ecoboost and I average 15.8mpg. Really not impressed, but it does have mud tires on it. I was averaging 13.4 mpg in my 17' f250 6.2l regular cab long bed, and 19.1 mpg 2022 tacoma trd offroad. My old 5.7 tundra averaged 14mpg with a 3" lift and 33s. It was about 17mpg before the lift and big tires, better than the new ecoboost...
My 3.5 gets about 22 you must really like to put your right foot down towing my mileage drops dramatically but when turbos are spooling you'll have that lol
@@leadhead9232 That might be it haha. it still only has 5k miles on it and im having fun
The Ford got 11.8mpg and the Toyota 12.4mpg. So, at $4/gallon and 15,000 miles per year, the Toyota saves about $24 per month - assuming every mile is a tow mile. BUT - it costs $6k more to buy! Divide that by 84 months and you get $71.33, minus $24 in fuels saving gives you a net of $47.43 more per month for the Toyota. Cue the fans boys...."but Toyota reliability....but Toyota resale value...". :)
How does it make you a fan boy to realize fords depreciation is far worse than toyota? Some people want their investments to not take a dump the second you drive it off the lot. It’s called enjoying appreciating assets and not suffering depreciating assets. The number one best resale value vehicle in the United States is the Tacoma so I don’t see how that makes you a fanboy,that’s a fact. Coming from a ford fanboy.
This result is not surprising at all. Hybrids perform best in stop and go driving when the batteries can be charged during braking and discharge on acceleration. At steady speeds the only energy to charge the batteries would need to come from the engine and that would defeat the purpose of the hybrid system. Possibly on the highway when going up and down hills the hybrid system would provide some benefit, but you would need to be braking down hills and then pulling up hills sequentially.
I would enjoy seeing how a hybrid performs against a non-hybrid off the highway on roads around town with lights and traffic. This would be similar to how many contractors like landscapers use their trucks. They usually aren't driving 50 mi round trips mostly on the interstate to their jobs unless they absolutely need to. Lawn care companies in particular typically have a local set of customers they visit on a regular basis.
My brother-in-laws 2015 5.3 Silverado on a trip to Gatlinsburg TN got 24.7, my 2.7 Ecoboost 2017 F150 got 23.2, but then around town I get 20.4 and he gets 15.8, to be honest he’s a lil more aggressive with the accelerator than me and the Chevy has an awesome V8 rumble with after market exhaust. I’ve drove both and like them both, love the V8’s sound and the Turbo V6’s instant get up and go. The old Tundra really grew on me over the years still ain’t seen a new one in person, can’t wait. What people pay for trucks now I hope nobody gets a bad one! The new Tundra really surprised me on gas mileage but then again it’s Toyota. The Ford got better mileage than my wife’s CRV, that’s unreal!!!
You would drive your Ford to Gatlinsberg. You should get a silverRAYdo
@@pryme2013Chevy Colorado comes with a lifetime guarantee. That won’t be a f*ggot for life. Guaranteed.
The new Tundy towing almost beats my 2021 5.7 running empty.
I was thinking there are gonna be 5.7 owners out there with that observation. Crazy!
I get 20 highway in my 5.7 in my 2017 ram 4x4 5.7 owners don’t know how to get good mpg 16 city 18 average
Think it has more to do with no MDS and really short axle ratio. 4.30:1 is brutal on mpg.
My 2019 5.7L 2WD Tundra gets 20 MPG on the highway. Love my V8!
Same. My Tundra has averaged 12.9 mpg over 145k miles lol
I am researching moving up to a 1/2 ton for the towing ability and am just curious...He used 91 in the Tundra but it only requires 87. When I asked a shop guy about my Tacoma on this issue years ago I was told it wouldn't matter because the engine is tuned to run a certain way. If you put a higher octane in, it's just a waste of money because the engine will make adjustments so that it still runs with the same MPG that the 87 would give it. Any thoughts of if this is true?
My '03 Tacoma has been so trouble free for over 20 years that I am very tempted to stay with Toyota...but it seems Ford is usually the truck of choice for people towing.
Very impressive. Almost seemed like Andre had a really tough time saying the Tundra was nicer towing, as if it’s not okay to beat the Ford. 😂 Also all new Tundras come with adaptive cruise now. And thanks for not complaining about the Tundra tow hooks again! 👍👍
I absolutely hate adaptive cruise I disabled it in my Tacoma haha
At TFL, Ford just can't win can it?
If the Ford had beaten the Tundra in the first test you'd say "well it's a hybrid the test really isn't fair", but Ford lost the first test so it's "can you believe the Tundra beat the hybrid", knowing that charging a hybrid system while heavy towing is actually an MPG hindrance. This was a NO WIN test for the F150 Hybrid.
The F150 actually did what hybrids do on the empty run and showed 36 mpg. Honestly, (after seeing TFL's slobbering love affair with the Tundra) I couldn't believe you'd even show that Hybrid MPG until you said "that can't be right" and it must have "had an air pocket". ?? Really??
Then it all started to make sense to me, I think the reason the "test loop" was so short is TFL (tundras for life) found a test that the Tundra could actually beat the F150 Hybrid in.
Seeing the bias here I cant wait to see the actual Hybrid to Hybrid test.
Or… just hear me out… the rear end ratio affects towing performance and MPG?
Let's take moments to thank andrae for the amazing video👌🏼
You guys might want to make sure you don't spend too long drafting off of the trailer in the empty vehicle because that will artificially improve the empty vehicle's highway mpg result. Great video.
Did they draft?
Shake and bake
The tundra being more efficient when towing? That’s insane 😀. Considering that the tundra now has a turbo v6 and the hybrid isn’t out yet
Hybrid doesn't make a difference towing, Tundra also has slightly smaller displacement. Makes sense actually.
The biggest difference is the rear differential fords is more aggressive and Toyota’s more efficient I wonder the difference in acceleration to highway speeds under load
@@bradarmstrong7467 you need a 4.10 of you want to be a racer off the line towing. You need a 3.73 if you want good highway mpg, and a good lower rpm at 60-75 mph while cruising.
@@goldentrucker7921 the Toyota’s rear end was 3.30 the fords 3.73 so the Toyota will have an advantage with mpg, the Ford with acceleration especially under load
When the tundra hybrid is here I want to see it go up against the powerboost. That's a fight worth watching.
Who goes the furthest on battery power, who can power a campsite or worksite the longest. Who can
tow the travel trailer to the campsite most efficiently. Will the hybrid tundra be able to power a home during
a black out? If so, is it better or worse than the powerboost. Will the hybrid tundra have more than 7Kw's?
I sat in the new Toyota... Not a great experience. It reminds me of my 2005 Tundra. The Ford just seems to have more room... also the view of the Tundra is smaller (smaller windshield) and the hood gets in the way to reduce visibility. I am trying to like the new Tundra...my 2005 has 210K miles on it with no issues... but looks like Ford for me this time.
The Tundra engine should be in the Supra and leave the BMW oil leak issues to BMW owners.
Hybrids really are a true upgrade to full gas engines. The efficiency allowed to regenerate energy and maximize its use where gas would be used more, like in traffic makes it the perfect engine choice until electric vehicle and vehicle battery technology and infrastructure is better developed. Definitely considering a hybrid of sorts for my next vehicle purchase.
Andre do you really think 48 mile loop is enough distance to get real mpg numbers?
As soon as the nozzle stops you stop Don't keep going That's how you can break things The evap system and I've seen the fluid the gas go back in the filler neck and then ruler ruin modulars in there and modules and other things down in the filler neck so there's a reason it stops Don't keep going That extra 3 ft is not going to f****** be worth having to drop a gas tank and replace something
Thank you for the tip Mikey. I never heard that topping off your fuel tank could cause things to break and have been doing it for over 40 years. I may have just been lucky and will take a closer look at this practice now that you’ve brought this to my attention.
@@cyber_sal depends on the car or truck some will do it some won't or it just will happen to work for a while but eventually it will break something or possibly throw a code for EVAP especially on the Silverados Sierra's tahoes 9906 at least in my case I had something go wrong I had to replace
I think towing is the determining factor, when going hybrid or no-hybrid. If you tow everyday, then the hybrid is no advantage. If you drive around town and back and forth to construction sights or on the farm, the hybrid is the advantage.
The hybrid is going to give you extra torque when towing out of the hole so really you can't lose with it. Its win win.
Absolutely! The one exception might be if you tow off the highway where you constantly need to start and stop due to traffic or lights. The hybrid should have the advantage there. Every time you step on the brakes in the hybrid it is storing that energy in the battery. When you accelerate it is using that stored energy to increase the speed of the truck. This is what makes them more efficient. In non-hybrid vehicles when you brake you waste all of that energy as heat which cannot be recycled. If you aren't using the brake pedal, the hybrid system won't have much of an advantage.
Tundra towing with Tow+: high RPMs actually allow the engine to run without having to use boost, which I'm sure helps. On my Powerboost, limiting the gear to 7th max while towing helps improve fuel efficiency in slight uphills, since it doesn't just boost for grades up to 2 degrees. Modern turbo engines control boost electronically, so the PCM can choose to not run boost if the engine RPMs are sufficient to make enough power for the load without boost..
I'm gonna have to try this with mine.
I would be really interested in the Hybrid vs Hybrid once Toyota releases it for everyone to do true testing with.
8100# is no joke. My offroad Jeep and trailer are about 7500 and I tow with a 2010 f250 6.4L. Flat highway cruising she gets about 12mpg. These might out accelerate it with the load too.
Looking forward to the hybrid test. Toyota already is on top of that class. So towing vs unloaded will be interesting 🧐
This is a completely different hybrid system than what other Toyotas use - it is much more similar in operation to the IMA hybrid Honda used in the Insight (but much more powerful).
If you think the hybrid will return better mpg you are going to be very disappointed
To get a more accurate mpg test, you should weigh the truck after filling up before the test and weigh the truck again after filling up after the test. This way, you know exactly how much fuel you used. One gallon of gasoline is about 6.1 pounds. If the after test is 5 pounds less than before test, it means you put 0.82 gallons less fuel and should add that to the total fuel used. If the after test is 5 pounds more than before test, it means you put 0.82 gallons more fuel and should subtract that from total fuel used.
That's a damn good idea actually. I never thought about using WEIGHT to measure fuel precisely. It's always so damn hard to fill a gas tank COMPLETELY, but if you could get a scale that can measure to within a single pound accuracy, that'd be pretty damn useful for this task.
I've gotten as good as 33 mpg with my powerboost but typically 25/25 with widely varying condititions and thats with a 3:73 gear ratio. I do think you should compare hybrid vs hybrid later.
The difference on tow number might have something to do with the 3.31 rear end in the Tundra vs. the 3.75 in the F-150. Overall point I would take from this is, if you aren't into serious off-roading and your mission is much more light towing, you don't need the low rear gear differential in these trucks with the torque they produce and the computer controlled 10 speed auto transmissions. Would love to see what the Tundra hybrid will do in non tow mode. I am reeeaaaally looking forward to the Tacoma with a turbo inline 4.
I also wonder if the Ford keeps the hybrid battery pack full in tow haul mode. This could explain why the empty run had such a high mpg.
The 10 speed transmissions really make up for the lower rear end gearing. I have a 2021 F150 with a 3.55 rear end and its a towing machine but I get excellent fuel mileage.
I want a diesel in the Tacoma...
*3.73
The rear end ratios only matter if it's on the same brand truck. The transmission gearing is likely very different so the final drive numbers can mean very different things between brands.
Ford got it right with the gear ratios. Little less efficient for towing but excellent unloaded. F150 👍
If you look at Toyotas trip it was 42.9 yet wasn’t calculated 48.1 the ford got
@@Floreypottery Also when the trip reset was done the Ford was 22.4 mpg and the Toyota 15.4. Edmunds did a 150 mile loop and that's what their Toyota got.
The icing on the cake is that that's even with a 3.73 axle ratio which is pretty good for acceleration as well.
Keep in mind, this new Ford has a 10-speed automatic transmission, with a lock-up clutch torque converter. At least 1, if not 2 of those 10 speeds are "overdrive", meaning, the driveshaft actually turns FASTER than the engine. .373 gearing isn't as much as a fuel guzzling feature as it was back in the day of the 460 CI engines and C-6 automatic transmissions, with no overdrive, and no lock-up clutch in the torque converter. This also uses a much smaller engine, which displaces far less cubic inches per mile, despite the higher RPM. This, being a turbocharged engine has far less "pumping loss" than a huge V-8 engine pulling a vacuum across the throttle plates of a carburetor. Sucking that much air with that much pressure difference past a partially closed throttle plate, really knocks down the fuel efficiency of a large, normally aspirated engine running under light to moderate load.
Sir a 3.73 is great for towing not inefficient
I'm pretty set on the f150 hybrid with its pro power for camping reasons. If Toyota steps up and includes this on there hybrid then ill change camps quickly. This test proved to me that the f150 is good enough for commuting around in to achieve 28-30mpg on the daily and still have the guns to tow when I need it to. Good test and amazing showing by Toyota, crossing fingers they introduce a pro power type system
Ford added the pro power onboard to the F150 in 2020........ so add 14 years and that's when Toyota will do something similar (2034).
@@cwqrpportable exactly... as Toyota jacked fords tech with a TT 3.5 and 10 spd... I see the pro power community as well for the yota.
If you have an active lifestyle, Ford’s keypad entry system is a huge plus. If you go to some place like a beach where you don’t want to take ANYTHING with you (keys, wallet or cell phone) the keypad entry is worth its weight in gold. Just lock it all in the car and no worries about losing anything. This feature alone has kept a Ford product in one of the spots in my garage for 15 years.
@@buoyant69 We love that feature as well
@@buoyant69 I always thought the keypad was silly...until I owned one. By far one of the most underrated features ever. I absolutely love it!
The F150 in tow haul mode keeps the engine running. So the battery should have been 100% charged when the none towing test was started, and with such a short run that would explained the better than normal mpg for it. Would have been a better test to start the F150 none towing first, so it had an average battery charge not a full charge, and go for a longer distance. Also testing in rolling hills would be nice too but might not be possible.
At high way speeds on flat ground and particularly while towing when the engine can't shut off, the none hybrid should be about the same or better just because its lighter. If it's hilly that would give the hybrid an opportunity to assist more. The city is where the hybrid will really shine of course.
just my 2 cents
I think it would be more interesting if you compared 87 octane mileage vs 91 octane “for optimal performance” as you say. I doubt there would be any difference.
Andre, There is no way the hybrid F-150 will get 36 mpg going 70mph, but I think you already know that. You hinted that there may be an air pocket that could cause that, which seems more believable to me - that gas pump reading is no good in my opinion - something is off. The best I ever got on my hybrid f-150 on the highway (not towing) on cruise control going 65-70 mph, was during a 167.4 miles of nice weather and flat highway (RT 95) going to Florida drafting semi-trucks 90 percent of the time along the way. The truck said it did 26.8 mpg with 2.8 miles being electric, but the pump said it did only 23.5 mpg. I only used 87 Octane gas. In conclusion, I'd believe that blind spot was set at 140 million feet before I would believe 36 mpg. 91 Octane in my opinion isn't going to add a 10 mpg increase. BTW, what's up with the 140 million feet BSM number?
Better mpg at elevation helps a lot.
36mpg on a full size truck is just insane! I Don't think the iforce max hybrid wil get these numbers because its heavier than the f150 hybrid but the regular iforce engine did really well
Guys, where are the Rivian Ike gauntlet and MPG loop test videos??
Tommy spoke about it on another video. I am surprised it hasn’t been posted since TFL prides themselves on being first. I would assume a towing test with an electric truck would be a priority to post.
Maybe Rivian didn’t want it posted. I’m suspicious.
I guess Rivian week is longer than 7 days 😅
@@1antisupercat Same here, although on the other video when they talked about it, it sounded like it completed the test quite well so it's a bit confusing as to why they haven't uploaded it yet?
@@migueljardim8177 I was thinking the same thing. They praised it, so why not post it?
Tommy and Roman are/were on vacation, it's possible they're waiting to post until after they return so they can quickly make a follow up video after it airs. Hopefully Rivian lends them another truck down the line soon.
Both very impressive trucks
Another great and useful video Andre, Thank You! Question, with e Ford being your daily ride have you ever gotten 36 mpg before? And do both trucks require premium fuel or was that choice made due give the engines the best condition?
The Pro Power generator and Ford’s keypad entry system would tilt the scale to the F150 between these two. I think you should’ve popped for the XLT trim though. Well worth a little extra $ IMO.
I have a 21 XLT Powerboost, love it!!
Maybe test at night or other off peak hours on your local highways, over a longer distance, min 100 mile loop. More miles = better fuel economy readings. I think the traffic messed up this run, cause the F150 probably cannot duplicate that number all that often. Very cool to know it is possible under ideal circumstances however. I have a 5.7v8 Tundra and on long trips (200+) on twisty two lanes (ie 50-60 avg speeds) I have gotten 20+ mpg for the trip, just due to traffic. We all know the 5.7v8 Tundra does not get 20mpg average all that often. So ideal mpg readings need to be taken with a grain of salt.
How exactly would highway interstate traffic INCREASE mpg by that much? Seems like a stretch to explain the difference.
24MPG in the Tundra? That is really good. Will be interesting to see your what you get when you can test the hybrid model. Your truck is equally impressive! Mid 30's mpg in any full size truck is mind blowing!
There's honestly no excuse for a full size truck to fail to get 23 or more mpg at 70mph today. Hell, my 2015 F-150 with the V8 was showing 25.1mpg with cruise set at 71 between North Carolina and Florida. Obviously the computer reads a bit high but I did the math and it was 23.8mpg.
Make these mpg loops at least 150 miles round trip. These loops are way to short. Make them longer to get a real world results
my 2023 1794 Trd 4x was getting 13-14 mpg avg new. with Icon stage 3 lift kit (set at level), 34's recon's and magnaflow exhaust system my mpg is 12-13 avg. the truck has 1200 miles, im hoping the mpg improves in time like your tundra.
The Ford still produces some pretty impressive numbers , 570 ft pounds , and can drive 700 miles on one tank 💪
It doesn't matter I look at quality Tundra will hold up better and you will keep a little extra money in your pocket that's what counts to me.
This tundra is not the same as the old ones. Google Toyota reliability
@@emorylee3784 , With over 100 more ft pounds, and more horses, and still gets better fuel economy ,when not hauling a trailer , I'm still going ford .
I wonder if the same pump always fills to the same level or if there would be some variance there. It seems there should need to be away to check fuel level after fill to make these tests are scientific
I think there will always be variables in the refueling process which is why I think Mythbusters put a calibrated flow meter on the fuel line for some of the MPG tests they did. But that’s not really viable on press cars.
I’ve seen a few tundra numbers for fuel efficiency that have been pretty good.
Mine is efficient and I’m running a blower.
That load on the trailer has a large, irregular profile likely spoiling a lot of air in its wake. The Ford is following so closely it's effectively drafting off the Tundra. Completely bogus test results other than confirming that drafting is a valid technique for improving MPG.
Notice at fill up the Ford was averaging 22.4 mpg and the Tundra was 15.4.
I’ve had three F1 50 King ranges. The last two had a ton of lake chronicle problems both bought new. Just traded in for a Toyota tundra so I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed.
I would love to see you do the The F150 in normal drive mode not tow mode and see how it does
2002 f550 16 ft box truck fully loaded pulling a honda fit gets over 12 mpg all day. 7.3 diesel manual
Ford uses a rust-proof aluminum body, while Toyota uses regular steel. I actually prefer the rust-free nature of aluminum, but I also prefer trouble-free nature of Japanese engines/transmissions way better than what American companies are making, so I would buy the Toyota.
I don't agree . It's no better. It's all opinion. I only buy American cars.
Don't kid yourself the aluminum version of rust is called corrosion. I once drove a jeep with spanking new aluminum rims along Pismo Beach at surfs edge and the salt water pitted the rims right away. When I was in the USAF corrosion and stress cracks were a never ending battle. Not that I wouldn't buy a Ford mind you just know that salt will kill aluminum too.
had a 2003 expedition and it had the aluminum rear lift gate. The lift gate developed a few areas of corrosion under the paint causing the paint the bubble up. There was zero rust anywhere in the rest of the steel body panels. Sold it in 2021 bought it in 2005.
That 373 gear is a best gear for any truck, sucks the other manufacturer are going with higher ratio to fake mpg. In cities with flat roads mpg isn’t affected compared to cities with rolling hills where you have to give it more throttle to drive daily
Great video and that JoeBiden “I did that sticker” on the pump caught me off guard and I didn’t know I needed that laugh.
They have those stickers all over my gas station too 🤣🤣🤣
I've personally applied a few of those stickers at my local stations. I mean, uh... I know a guy who did.
Andrea, thanks for being honest, I love the Toyota, I’m life long loyal Toyota owner and have never been disappointed, my 08 Tundra with 300 k is still flawless, or I’d would be getting a new one.
Seems to me like Toyota focused their attention on the powertrain only with the new Tundra. I’d take the F150 all day long and on Sunday too, even if it doesn’t have the history of quality that Toyota has.
Well they are junk Iv had a lemon 2.7 and 3.5 ecoboost. Quality isn’t even close
@@Weatherby406 Well look up all the issues with the new tundra wastegate fails. It's built into the turbo, so new turbo and requires body off frame to fix. I know 3 people getting turbos replaced. Ford has gone through that stage. The 2020-2023 f-150 should be their prime years for the motors.
It would funny if Toyota is using Borg Warner as their turbo supplier like Ford. Possible since they both use Borg Warner for their transfer cases.
Wrong choice... sorry.
Like to see a longer loop as at only 48 miles 2/10 of a gallon of gas difference changes the mpg by 4.6 mpg.
Wondering how accurate the pump shutoff really is.
Almost 10k on Andre’s F-150! Crazy the Tundra got better mpg. I wasn’t expecting that.
Andre's truck has 373 gears in the power boost uses no electric while towing so I knew the gas mileage on the towing would be a little less.
@@robertchapman4488 you think the electric motor still helps where it can, but obviously it’s going to have less of an impact when towing at highway speeds as it won’t have much time or opportunity to recharge after its used.
@@robertchapman4488 good point
Watch the original fill ups and reset of trip meters. The Ford was averaging 22.4 and the Tundra 15.4.
I still don’t know why you don’t put it in eco mode. Even with the trailer you might get some all electric range to really get that mpg up on the ford.
I been waiting on this video. I am finally impressed by the Tundra.
I had to be careful while towing a trailer. The 04 F150 with the 5.4L would tow a heavy trailer like it was empty. I would be on the interstate going 75 and look back and remember I was pulling the trailer with me that day. My fuel economy was like 6-15 mpg depending how heavy I was loaded and how hard I was pushing it while driving.
Imagine how good the Ford's mpg would be with a more down sped rear end like the Toyota
The Ford Is a better truck all around. Proven . Technology more advanced w/better engines & frame.
Nah, Toyota is known for its reliability, Ford... not so much. So "proven" to be better is a stretch at best lol
@@Davido50 Fords proven to make one of the worst engines of all time. 5.4 3v biggest pile of crap stuffed into so many different vehicles.
@@parrotgaming1960 run fleets of trucks for my business. The most reliable trucks we’ve. Ever run are 2.7Fords and ecoboost rams. We Headframe issues with the tundra and I think injector six or seven broke on a couple. One of them also had a failed rear end and one had the front suspension be completely replaced. The 2.7s never went to the shop for anything so far only a couple minor DEF issues with the diesel Rams
@@mattbrew11 My family and friends all own Toyota vehicles, 1988 4runner with 280k miles original engine trans, 2001 Camry 375k-ish miles original engine trans, 1997 T100 237k miles, 1995 Tacoma with 224k miles, I can go on but I think you get the point. I have had nothing but amazing vehicles from Toyota, unfortunate that you have had issues, but I am well convinced they make good vehicles.
You need to at least run 100 miles to get any reasonably accurate numbers.
Also you should be running a more common xlt powetboost trim with alloy wheels and not such wimpy eco/highway tires. I bet the wheel/tire difference between trucks equates to at least a 5% difference by itself. I like both trucks. My 5.3 silverado went from 24 down to 20 highway mpg once I put some slightly larger and more agressive a/t tires so tires make a huge difference in 1/2 ton gas trucks.
Thanks for all of your hard work.
The towing part didn't surprise me considering your Ford has 373 gears so I figured the gas mileage wouldn't be quite as good because you're not using your electric power while towing.
Correct the rear ends are the difference there for the Ford to only be 1/2 mile mpg worse in tow is actually more impressive, I wonder what the times were for each up to 70 under load my money says Ford with that rear end is much better
It's funny people mention fear ratios if Ford lost but the old tundra has a 4.30 rear end and zero miles per gallon gimmicks and no one ever mentioned that when it got a few less miles per gallon than trucks with like 3.43's lmao
@@pryme2013 that’s because the Toyota still towed like shit and was slower. People are pointing out that while the F-150 takes a mileage hit, you gain power and towing capability.
@@klvanzu The last gen Tundra towed amazingly lmao I owned one. you have never towed with one obviously.
@@pryme2013 you’re right, because it had nowhere near the capability to tow what I’d need it for.
Interesting results! Clear that without towing F150 powerboost provides better mpg. Do you think tire pressure and the tow haul plus mode versus the power boost was the deciding factor during towing? Would do a great follow-up video…
Tundra got it right!! I’m impressed. Imagine what the hybrid can do
I have always loved Toyota. They have been a good foreign company for the US. I’d buy a tundra but I can’t get past the grill, front end of the tuck. I realize this is just subjective and nothing to do with quality. To put it in perspective, I think the Chevy Silverado LT trail boss is the best looking… which some people hate.
Just glad there are some decent options if we can find them.
Something was going on funny with the F150 it didn't get 36 mpg.
Yeah that's what I was thinking if that truck got 36 highway all you time I'd go buy one today and I absolutely hate ford trucks
He said he hit some traffic, so that's how he got that high MPG. Otherwise we'd see something similar to the Tundra
Didn't happen, no matter what the circumstances. Makes me doubt all of the other numbers as well.
Does mpgs can't be realistic anything under 100miles its not real mpg i get 26mpg on my 18 coyote f150 on highway trip its 400 miles
Loop needs to be at least 100 miles. 💯
It's funny how toytoa's tundra is just an after thought in their overall sales .. I'd they actually wanted to make the best truck I'm the world they could... But it's just not a market they compete in.. they dominate off road, mid size , sedans ... It's crazy
The 24mpg is right inline with what Tim got in his video.
So many variables make these tests less scientific but the results are still incredibly valuable. A non hybrid gas full size truck getting 24mpg on the highway at altitude says a lot. I bet you could get high 20’s around sea level where I’m at. This is great news
Like the battery in the Ford got a full change since it was not being used while towing. Then you switch to hybrid mode and it has a full battery to work with over the next 40+ miles = 35 MPG. It won't hold that number for long.
Toyota spent over a decade building and perfecting this truck and it still loses in most categories they even forgot to put tow hooks on it 😆.
And there frames rust to shit!!
Historically, the Tundra has had a much higher resale value than the F150s. This new model may change that...
Toyota historically had higher resale value. Ford historically has better fuel economy, crash ratings, towing and payload capacity, off road ability. The older tundras are durable trucks but behind in most every other category. I suspect the resale value is more than lost on money spent on fuel.
Surprising the turbo didn't have issues but give it time. Ford used the same hybrid system in their escape/Maverick wonder if they are using it in the f-150? If so I don't think a Toyota hybrid is going to be much better than the Ford.
One of your best tests yet, André.
Tundra for the WIN!
Topping off the fuel tanks where you actually see the fuel will be more accurate.
Had a GMC, 3 Ford trucks, and 2 Tundras. The Toyota's are far better.
As you test during the day thermal expansion in the tanks as it get warmer will skew the mpg favoring the later results of each.
My buddy's brand new GMC with a 5.3 just got 24.6 MPG AT 75 MPH on a 400 mile trip from northern minnesota to minneapolis and back.... all on 87 octane gas....beat that!!!!!
Nice
Lol my powerboost f150 can get over 50 mpg going highway speeds. On 87 and temperature I do believe was -2 that morning
@@hunteruplinger5862 50 is very hard to believe....if you realy got it, thats great, but i just cant see it
DFM truck? GM (quietly) gets really good efficiency and has for years.
But they use cylinder deactivation Ford and Toyota don't. The new 5.0 does.
You have the fuel economy mode set to total average of the lifetime of the truck. If you go into the settings there there is a leaf icon you can change it to either lifetime, trip, or tank average to be more accurate
Nice to see those mpg number go up on the tundra! Initially they were not very impressive. The hybrid must be even better and will be looking forward to see it in action!
Andre, with I’m the ford being your personal truck are you seeing those high mpg numbers? I was this some sort of fluke