Great review! These two synths are instant classics that will still be used 30-40 years from now. We're living in a second wave of synth innovation, comparable to the late 70s & early 80s. These are, basically, the Juno / Jupiter / OB / Prophet of our day.
This was the most helpful demo of the Polybrute I've seen. You showed that it can make some lovely warm and useful musical sounds, not just the kind of vague, glassy, reverb-drenched ambience shown in most demo videos. From other people's videos I had no idea it could sound this good. The Super 6 sounds great here too.
One of the joys of the PB for me is setting the lfos to poly mode, the envelopes to looping mode, and modulating them all against each other to create evolving rhythmic effects. It’s such a fun playground to explore. On the other hand, I can’t deny there is something very special about the sound of the Super6. I have tried very hard to reproduce the binaural sounds heard in this one video on the PB, but it’s just not quite as magical: ruclips.net/video/85lAOLE8Mqk/видео.html
Great video! I just got my Polybrute a couple weeks ago. You have a great way of really digging into things. I’d love to have you do a deep dive into the Polybrute.
Nice one Starsky. Great video. I think a Prophet 5 v Polybrute would be a good one, but the Polybrute has a very unique sound on which I have not heard before. Though the UDO sounds nice. I really prefer the creamy analog warmth of the Polybrute, I am still getting the hang of mine. It's brilliant.
Came here because I wanted to have a quick overview of them both and you’ve nailed that. I’m not thinking about getting one or the other - which is lucky - because they absolutely complete each other. Get them both! 😄👏🏻 But I’ll get the PolyBrute first.
Great review Starsky. I held off on the Super 6 - mainly because of the price tag - but also because I talked myself into treating my Rev2 as a decent replacement since you can also do binaural patching. If you can get both it would be awesome if you could do a comparison. Cheers
Nice comparison! IMHO, both are different enough, to justify owning both. After owning the PB for nine months now, I’ve found that it’s a truly unique VCO polysynth, that is capable of sounds that no other VCO synth can mimic (think Sequential/Moog/Oberheim DNA, mixed together with Yamaha’s classic Frequency Modulation DNA). Though it can mimic many classic VCO polysynth’s of the past, it can FAR surpass them sonically. The voice-spread can quickly go from dead center, to full wide stereo separation, and in-between. Otherwise, I look forward to UDO possible future release of a ‘Super 6’ software editor/librarian, for those of us that prefer seeing patch-name/#, and detailed editing perimeters (I truly feel it’s the one thing that will really help sell this synth to the mass-market). Otherwise, it has a very impressive binaural feature, that few other synths can match.
Very looking forward to the Super6 desktop with MPE update. The Polybrute is beautiful but it's just packed with features I personally never use much and I doubt they'll implement MPE.
Absolutely fantastic video my friend… such a great comparison. Can’t wait to see the Polybrute up against a Prophet 5/10! I’ve got a PolyBrute on the way and I am greatly looking forward to doing that myself against my Prophet 5!
Thanks.. tbh I thought I'd already put the PolyB up against the P5...Haha - just checked and no! I probably got distracted after setting it all up.. duh!
@@StarskyCarr I think you did one against the P6, which is probably somewhat closer since it has more modern features and built-in effects… but yeah, in terms of raw tone, it will be an interesting comparison! From all the videos I’ve watched, it seems like the PolyBrute’s oscillators lack a little of the raw power & edge of a Moog, Sequential or Oberheim, but make up for it in the overall smooth/creamy tone. I’m anxious to compare the two myself. Your video here is the best comparison I’ve seen in terms of hitting all the marks!
Both synths are fantastic, almost iconic but my allegiance goes to my Polybrute. It sounds glorious, the fx are magical and the morph function is massively useful and yields some really beautiful shifting patches. The Polybrute is the most ‘acoustic’ sounding synth I’ve ever heard, sometimes orchestral. Saying that the UDO looks and sounds sexy and the stereo filter is a really nice touch.
100 percent agree. Often I will be messing around with it and out pops a zither or a hurdy gurdy or a hybrid of a harpsichord and acoustic guitar. I’ve never had so many “what the hell just happened?” moments with an analog synth. It’s got a ton of swamp mojo or something, and I never imagined I would use that term to describe a synthesizer. It’s a synth with the soul of acoustic and electromechanical instruments. So in a way, it’s even more vintage sounding than synths made 40 years ago.
They both seem so stellar. Both at the top of my wish but unlikely ever have list. I also wish I could try any of these well regarded contemporary analog/semi-analog synths out in person. Outside of the world of youtube's crunched up audio.
fwiw places I've seen the PolyBrute in person: Guitar Center Nashville, Chicago Music Exchange you just have to take a vacation to a great music city and you'll be able to get hands on with some really nice stuff; they aren't going to show up in my little town (or probably yours)
@@pirateradio808 Sounds about right. When I lived in LA I could visit Guitar Center on Sunset, and not only did they have some very interesting gear, but the area could sustain 5 or more little specialist boutiques within walking distance. Been a while, and though I'm sure it's different, it's likely better than what's on offer near me.
Usability wise, the PolyBrute wipes the floor with almost every other analog poly, including the Super 6. Except if you have to carry it ;) I dig the sound of the Super 6, though!
Both synths are great. I prefer more the PoluBrute, though. It has awesome modulation capabilities, I like the filter options and the experimental potential of this synth. It's a matter of taste. Either of the two could be a good choice.
Great video. Thanks!!! As always super interesting. Did you ever get around to comparing the Polybrute to your Prophet 5? 😀 I really ummed and ahhed about buying the polybrute after, originally, planning on buying a Rev2
Perfect timing as my Polybrute has developed a faulty voice so it wont auto calibrate and means VCO2 has a wonky note every 6th press, so it looks like that will be going back to be repaired. Looking at the Super Six how does it compare the Roland System 8 soundwise with the similar filters, though the system 8 is fully digital and the Super six has analogue ones. EDIT - 29-9-21 - I found the problem, there is a faulty SQR wave output on voice 2 of VCO2, its missing completely, that's what is stopping it from calibrating. Mine must have died after about a week or so. I see a lot of people saying that the auto calibrate has to be run again and again before it works but its is worth checking all the outputs of the VCOs if you having similar issues, if one is low or missing then it will cause the calibrate to fail too. Mines now gone back for repair, Juno where I bought it were very good so i'm hoping that it wont be too long before its back.
I compared the system 8 and the super 6 for an hour at perfect circuit when I was looking and the super 6 clearly stood above it in terms of sound, build quality etc (it should as its near double the price). YMMV.
That sucks about your polybrute! I also have a polybrute and on occasion I get a funk noise around the 6th note but typically restarting it or calibration fixes it. I love the machine it's incredible
I’m also having this issue with a voice out of tune on my polybrute, just got it yesterday though and calibration seems to fix it. Still went out a few times in just one day of use so far.
I like them both, although I think I prefer the PolyBrute, butI have to admit the Super 6 is very cool too! Still, if I had to choose, I would pick up your cat, which is by far the coolest! Great video by the way
The PolyBrute is an utter monster of a synth, or should i say ‘brute’? Because it oozes raw power. The morphing 2 patches together creates some insanely cinematic sound moments, and just the sheer amount of things you can do just keeps me occupied forever and impossible to describe even over several huge video reviews, let alone one youtube comment. Add the Mod Matrix to have any function control any other function / control / knob just adds even more fun to the mix. For me, it’s like having access to the past and the future at the same time….the moment I recreated that THX sound from the start of movies, i almost shat my pants with joy. Love the Super 6, but for me personally, I’d pick the Polybrute every time…..although I’d rather just own them both so the super 6 is still on the shopping list for sure.
you make both these synths sound amazing.... the PolyBrute is more attractive to me right now because I want something deep... but the Super 6 generally sounds prettier to me, for whatever that's worth.
My OCD problem can't get over the 1981 Atari wood grain puck thingy in the LHC area of the PolyBrute. I know it is quite functional but it really bothers me. But that's MY personal problem. Starsky, both are cool synths but you keeping the Prophet 5 (or 10 if you get the newly offered voice card upgrade) is the right thing to do. It's the heritage of that thing that ticks a lot of boxes. And when you start doing the FM stuff on the Prophet, like the Japan Tin Drum and Ghosts Richard Barbieri tones....whew its awesome. Thumbs up given for the review (and mostly the bengal cat)
I have a grey UDO 6. It's beautiful. I spend more time pissing around on it than actually making paydirt though. It's immersive enough that a whole day can pass and you don't realise. Patch morphing was cool on the old Yamaha VA's, but I never really used it in live settings. The Arturia looks like something from Star Trek, but it just didn't grab my attention like the UDO. Looking forward to the UDO 6² so I can take it with me - that keyboard is too precious to take it out of it's slot.
I finally got around to this... Polybrute is a masterpiece while Super 6 is a VERY nice synth with a few things holding it back IMHO. (Too easy to get lost working with or checking some mod matrix status, that goofy bend/mod wheel, at least for me the cool binaural stuff < true bi-timbral) If I could choose any poly no budget or strings attached it would be a Schmidt, if limited to $10k a Code with all the extras (Moog One not even a close 2nd), under $5k Polybrute every single time though Super 6 and Summit would make me think about it. Especially after such a great comparison.
I have both and if I had to sell one it would be the super6, it’s a beautiful design and great sound while IMPO the PB is ugly but still is way more expressive and dynamic than the super6
PolyBrute sounds more alive, runs circles around the UDO in terms of sound design and the 2 VCFs on the Polybrute are very different and completely transform the synth.
@ghost mall I guess "hi-fi" is a bit vague, as even though I think the binaural effect of the Super 6 is very cool, I find it a bit lifeless sounding. I am not going to say it sounds like a plug in, cause plug ins these days sound awesome and the UDO filters do help a bit. And yeah, I prefer a lively and raw tone that I can smooth out to my liking during the production stage. I am not even a big fan of Steiner Parker filters, but the Polybrute seems to pull it off very nicely. But I am not a keyboard player, I like wild synths that do crazy sounds and push the envelope. Tastes and all that.
Own both of them, but the UDO will stand time… Also, try it in a mix, the UDO blends in flawlessly, the Arturia is another story. Same happened with the MatrixBrute… never felt right.
I’m sorry, I got both as well, how do you have trouble blending the poly in? Quite literally the opposite for me, though, it isn’t hard to tame the Super 6 relative to other tracks.
These synths with 8 voices would be faithful successors to legends like a Jupiter 8 or Prophet, if there was just a music market for songs that would let these things shine. Nowadays I wonder if any mix really would have the space to fit in the binaural mode of the Super6 or the crazy capabilities of the PB.
Don't worry about what's happening at the top of the charts. Actually interesting music rarely wanders through there and it's been that way for decades. Meanwhile interesting content is always being produced on the sidelines/underground. And if you find there is nobody out there doing what you want to hear, that's a good thing for your creative output potential.
I kind of like them but I feel so synthed out. So many products, so little money. It's a kind of overload. If I had the money, my house would be full of these things and somehow I think they would all drive me mad and I would buy a baby grand piano instead.
I think The UDO might be the best sounding Synth ive ever heard however i decided against it and for the polybrute. I love the morphing capabilities, the expression via the ribbon and the morphe and last but not least... the layout. I know most prefer the old school look of the UDO, i however love the concept of the matrix (also might make the sequencer usable for me for the first time) and the possibility to see all the modulation going on on a glance. Maybe if im more fluid with everything i might get the UDO as well cause that binural sound is outstanding.For now, because of the reasons above and the sheer flexability, i go with the Polybrute since it will be the center of my synth sounddesign compartment, only accompanied by the sub37.
Same here. The UDO sounds amazing! The PolyB sounds great - I went with the PolyB, and I will never sell it! I needed those vintage (70's) sounds and the PolyB nails it, I can get into Memorymoog and Arp Odyssey territory! The UDO leans more 80s vintage, maybe one day I will need one!
SUPER 6 just has more tones available and a better sounding filter. I keep hearing music from the Super 6 and synth sounds from the PolyBrute. I think it is the filter on the 6...
BTW, I came to this video expecting the Polybrute to cream the Super 6, but, the Super 6 sounds *really* good! At the grand old age of 53 it also looks a lot more like the synths I used to dream of as a kid, standing in the music shop in Manchester, looking at a whole wall of utter wonderfulness. (Yes, that's a word now.) Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it. (Still prefer the Polybrute, though!)
I like the Super 6 from the beginning but the other day I tried one in a store, and I didn't have much fun with it, it wasn't as spontaneous as I would have liked to, but that must be my own fault... The thing I really was a bit disappointed about is that the faders didn't always have the same amount mechanical resistance, and at this price point I really would have thought the quality of construction had to be perfect...
@@StarskyCarr Ok, good to know. Thanks for answering. I'll be trying another one soon. I was hoping for bullet proof quality but the one I tried wasn't like that.
Agreed, managed to play the polybrute not long ago and have owned a super 6 since last september, I initially played the super 6 at namm and it simply left me impressed for months to come
Really great videos! I'd like to hear the UDO playing your big ARP midi sequence (I believe it starts at around 4 minutes, I heard it a thousand times :)) you had the Behringer 2600 play in your Demo video. Is the UDO capable of sounding like the 2600?
The polybrute sounds a little more brash to my ears, while the Super 6 sounds smoother. The polybrute has more variety of sounds. The Udo has a more appealing interface, imo. I prefer faders over knobs. The sounds on the Udo are more inspiring to my ears. The Udo is more inviting.
10:37 Starsky............Mr. Carr............Sir...............Question for you. Are the lights blinking on the synth or is this a cool looking unintended effect due to frame rate stuff I only pretend to understand? It looks neat.
I’ve had the Polybrute for several months and for some reason hadn’t realized LFO 3 could function as a time-variable 4th envelope. And that’s a great example of how much functionality and versatility is packed onto the front panel. It was already incredibly deep and now LFO 3 is this new playground to explore. It’s a little hard to explain how damn great this synth is. And if I may be so bold, I can’t think of any reason why it isn’t already better than any “classic” poly. Maybe you want to chase that sound of the late 70’s/early 80s, but that sound, sorry, IMO, wasn’t that great to begin with. It was the sound of music I generally hated back then - mushy brass fed by cocaine, mullets and parachute pants. The Polybrute, on the other hand, sounds more true vintage to me. The Ondes Martinot, the Hammond organ, the Clavinet, the Mellotron, and the Fender Rhodes seem more part of the Polybrute’s DNA than Jump or Africa. And it even evokes folk and ethnic instruments, which I would not have thought possible from an analog poly synth before I got the Polybrute.
Summit seems so much better than the Super 6. Feels like an Emperor’s New Clothes situation going on with the Super 6 … I really don’t understand what all the fuss was about, with it. 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t mind 4 octaves too much… what really annoys me is that all my stands are max 150cm wide so I can’t fit a Poly and a mono on the same rack. I always seem to need another 10cm!
Way more into the Polybrute but I'm just way more into the craziness / way too busy style sounds. With the Moog One, Polybrute, Hydrasynth, and Poly Evolver, I kind of lost interest in all my vintage poly synths. Blasphemy, I know.
@@kierenmoore3236 Yeah, I actually ended up keeping a Trident, Polymoog 203a, etc. Moog One plus Polymoog 203a might be the best combo ever. I also ended up selling the Polybrute because the One is just so much better. The Polybrute is cool if you can't get a One but really there's no reason to have both.
Tons of bells and whistles with the Arturia...Feauture packed...they put everything they could and it tells in that convoluted panel...I know looks are subjective but to me it's such an ugly looking beast... Sounds wize, to my ears the Super 6 wins hands down specially with that beautiful stereo panning in Binaural mode and it looks amazing, no menu diving, no screens or gimmicks just pure and simply what you see is what you get...once again less is more
The PB has a lot of knobs, buttons, sliders, but it isn‘t convoluted at all. You can always see what you are/were doing. The mod matrix alone is so much better than the UDO‘s one.
Obviously a slip of the tongue. I then say they’re digital as I did earlier. 🤷♂️ I’m forever catching myself saying the wrong words! This one missed the sieve.
Great review! These two synths are instant classics that will still be used 30-40 years from now. We're living in a second wave of synth innovation, comparable to the late 70s & early 80s. These are, basically, the Juno / Jupiter / OB / Prophet of our day.
what ;)
If only Roland, Yamaha and Korg hadn't sold out analogue for digital. Imagine how many great synths we've missed out on. 🤔
This was the most helpful demo of the Polybrute I've seen. You showed that it can make some lovely warm and useful musical sounds, not just the kind of vague, glassy, reverb-drenched ambience shown in most demo videos. From other people's videos I had no idea it could sound this good. The Super 6 sounds great here too.
One of the joys of the PB for me is setting the lfos to poly mode, the envelopes to looping mode, and modulating them all against each other to create evolving rhythmic effects. It’s such a fun playground to explore. On the other hand, I can’t deny there is something very special about the sound of the Super6. I have tried very hard to reproduce the binaural sounds heard in this one video on the PB, but it’s just not quite as magical: ruclips.net/video/85lAOLE8Mqk/видео.html
Great video! I just got my Polybrute a couple weeks ago. You have a great way of really digging into things. I’d love to have you do a deep dive into the Polybrute.
Nice one Starsky. Great video. I think a Prophet 5 v Polybrute would be a good one, but the Polybrute has a very unique sound on which I have not heard before. Though the UDO sounds nice. I really prefer the creamy analog warmth of the Polybrute, I am still getting the hang of mine. It's brilliant.
Came here because I wanted to have a quick overview of them both and you’ve nailed that. I’m not thinking about getting one or the other - which is lucky - because they absolutely complete each other. Get them both! 😄👏🏻 But I’ll get the PolyBrute first.
I loooove to the UDO super 6, It sounds like the future in a sea of traditionally-focused synthesizers
Exactly my thoughts
Great review Starsky. I held off on the Super 6 - mainly because of the price tag - but also because I talked myself into treating my Rev2 as a decent replacement since you can also do binaural patching. If you can get both it would be awesome if you could do a comparison. Cheers
Cute cat! It's also good to see the human face behind your channel !
Haha thanks. A face for radio.. but hey ho :)
Nice comparison! IMHO, both are different enough, to justify owning both. After owning the PB for nine months now, I’ve found that it’s a truly unique VCO polysynth, that is capable of sounds that no other VCO synth can mimic (think Sequential/Moog/Oberheim DNA, mixed together with Yamaha’s classic Frequency Modulation DNA). Though it can mimic many classic VCO polysynth’s of the past, it can FAR surpass them sonically. The voice-spread can quickly go from dead center, to full wide stereo separation, and in-between.
Otherwise, I look forward to UDO possible future release of a ‘Super 6’ software editor/librarian, for those of us that prefer seeing patch-name/#, and detailed editing perimeters (I truly feel it’s the one thing that will really help sell this synth to the mass-market). Otherwise, it has a very impressive binaural feature, that few other synths can match.
The TRUTH. only both will do 😂 it’s the only true path
Very looking forward to the Super6 desktop with MPE update. The Polybrute is beautiful but it's just packed with features I personally never use much and I doubt they'll implement MPE.
Any specific reason why you don’t think they will add MPE to the PB?? Seems like the mod matrix would work fantastically with mpe
Absolutely fantastic video my friend… such a great comparison. Can’t wait to see the Polybrute up against a Prophet 5/10! I’ve got a PolyBrute on the way and I am greatly looking forward to doing that myself against my Prophet 5!
Thanks.. tbh I thought I'd already put the PolyB up against the P5...Haha - just checked and no! I probably got distracted after setting it all up.. duh!
@@StarskyCarr I think you did one against the P6, which is probably somewhat closer since it has more modern features and built-in effects… but yeah, in terms of raw tone, it will be an interesting comparison! From all the videos I’ve watched, it seems like the PolyBrute’s oscillators lack a little of the raw power & edge of a Moog, Sequential or Oberheim, but make up for it in the overall smooth/creamy tone. I’m anxious to compare the two myself. Your video here is the best comparison I’ve seen in terms of hitting all the marks!
If you put the Steiner filter type around 9-10 o’clock you get a notch filter. Great for some Oberheim-like sounds.
It’s actually more flexible than an SEM filter.
@@peterkadarmusic9728 Not as nice though
Both synths are fantastic, almost iconic but my allegiance goes to my Polybrute. It sounds glorious, the fx are magical and the morph function is massively useful and yields some really beautiful shifting patches. The Polybrute is the most ‘acoustic’ sounding synth I’ve ever heard, sometimes orchestral. Saying that the UDO looks and sounds sexy and the stereo filter is a really nice touch.
100 percent agree. Often I will be messing around with it and out pops a zither or a hurdy gurdy or a hybrid of a harpsichord and acoustic guitar. I’ve never had so many “what the hell just happened?” moments with an analog synth. It’s got a ton of swamp mojo or something, and I never imagined I would use that term to describe a synthesizer. It’s a synth with the soul of acoustic and electromechanical instruments. So in a way, it’s even more vintage sounding than synths made 40 years ago.
@@geephlips check this out, I’ve got violins in to oboe’s in to pianos in one glorious patch. ruclips.net/video/IqOWdHOZxF4/видео.html
They both seem so stellar. Both at the top of my wish but unlikely ever have list.
I also wish I could try any of these well regarded contemporary analog/semi-analog synths out in person. Outside of the world of youtube's crunched up audio.
Can't help you there sorry ;)
fwiw places I've seen the PolyBrute in person: Guitar Center Nashville, Chicago Music Exchange
you just have to take a vacation to a great music city and you'll be able to get hands on with some really nice stuff; they aren't going to show up in my little town (or probably yours)
@@pirateradio808 Sounds about right. When I lived in LA I could visit Guitar Center on Sunset, and not only did they have some very interesting gear, but the area could sustain 5 or more little specialist boutiques within walking distance. Been a while, and though I'm sure it's different, it's likely better than what's on offer near me.
@@swanofnutella4734 I used to live a block away from that Guitar Center....Mesa Boogie Hollywood, etc. Small world!
Totally torn between the two, both bring big grins. unfortunately i cant afford either at present. Great vid, thanks.
Usability wise, the PolyBrute wipes the floor with almost every other analog poly, including the Super 6. Except if you have to carry it ;) I dig the sound of the Super 6, though!
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Both synths are great. I prefer more the PoluBrute, though. It has awesome modulation capabilities, I like the filter options and the experimental potential of this synth.
It's a matter of taste. Either of the two could be a good choice.
Great video. Thanks!!! As always super interesting.
Did you ever get around to comparing the Polybrute to your Prophet 5? 😀
I really ummed and ahhed about buying the polybrute after, originally, planning on buying a Rev2
I bought the polybrute first then found an awesome deal on the REV 2 so now I have both.
Ladder Filters:
Super6: No Res @10:08 half Res @10:12 Full Res @10:30
Polybrute: No Res @15:54 half Reso 15:56 full Res @16:02
Perfect timing as my Polybrute has developed a faulty voice so it wont auto calibrate and means VCO2 has a wonky note every 6th press, so it looks like that will be going back to be repaired. Looking at the Super Six how does it compare the Roland System 8 soundwise with the similar filters, though the system 8 is fully digital and the Super six has analogue ones.
EDIT - 29-9-21 - I found the problem, there is a faulty SQR wave output on voice 2 of VCO2, its missing completely, that's what is stopping it from calibrating. Mine must have died after about a week or so. I see a lot of people saying that the auto calibrate has to be run again and again before it works but its is worth checking all the outputs of the VCOs if you having similar issues, if one is low or missing then it will cause the calibrate to fail too. Mines now gone back for repair, Juno where I bought it were very good so i'm hoping that it wont be too long before its back.
I compared the system 8 and the super 6 for an hour at perfect circuit when I was looking and the super 6 clearly stood above it in terms of sound, build quality etc (it should as its near double the price). YMMV.
That sucks about your polybrute! I also have a polybrute and on occasion I get a funk noise around the 6th note but typically restarting it or calibration fixes it. I love the machine it's incredible
I’m also having this issue with a voice out of tune on my polybrute, just got it yesterday though and calibration seems to fix it. Still went out a few times in just one day of use so far.
@@nickkarach76 did you do the firmware update?
You can't remove the voice board and sendcot to tjem for acreplacement like on the Prophet-6 and OB-6?
I like them both, although I think I prefer the PolyBrute, butI have to admit the Super 6 is very cool too! Still, if I had to choose, I would pick up your cat, which is by far the coolest! Great video by the way
The PolyBrute is an utter monster of a synth, or should i say ‘brute’? Because it oozes raw power. The morphing 2 patches together creates some insanely cinematic sound moments, and just the sheer amount of things you can do just keeps me occupied forever and impossible to describe even over several huge video reviews, let alone one youtube comment. Add the Mod Matrix to have any function control any other function / control / knob just adds even more fun to the mix. For me, it’s like having access to the past and the future at the same time….the moment I recreated that THX sound from the start of movies, i almost shat my pants with joy.
Love the Super 6, but for me personally, I’d pick the Polybrute every time…..although I’d rather just own them both so the super 6 is still on the shopping list for sure.
you make both these synths sound amazing.... the PolyBrute is more attractive to me right now because I want something deep... but the Super 6 generally sounds prettier to me, for whatever that's worth.
I love my blue Udo S6......even with the pathetically small amount of patch preset slots available.
The brass patch at 46.15 is unreal
My OCD problem can't get over the 1981 Atari wood grain puck thingy in the LHC area of the PolyBrute. I know it is quite functional but it really bothers me. But that's MY personal problem. Starsky, both are cool synths but you keeping the Prophet 5 (or 10 if you get the newly offered voice card upgrade) is the right thing to do. It's the heritage of that thing that ticks a lot of boxes. And when you start doing the FM stuff on the Prophet, like the Japan Tin Drum and Ghosts Richard Barbieri tones....whew its awesome. Thumbs up given for the review (and mostly the bengal cat)
Cat not phased at all by the strange sounds . Must be used to it 😁
Interesting comparison. You said you had them both on loan. Did you ever reacquire on or both of them?
I have a grey UDO 6. It's beautiful. I spend more time pissing around on it than actually making paydirt though.
It's immersive enough that a whole day can pass and you don't realise.
Patch morphing was cool on the old Yamaha VA's, but I never really used it in live settings.
The Arturia looks like something from Star Trek, but it just didn't grab my attention like the UDO.
Looking forward to the UDO 6² so I can take it with me - that keyboard is too precious to take it out of it's slot.
I finally got around to this... Polybrute is a masterpiece while Super 6 is a VERY nice synth with a few things holding it back IMHO. (Too easy to get lost working with or checking some mod matrix status, that goofy bend/mod wheel, at least for me the cool binaural stuff < true bi-timbral) If I could choose any poly no budget or strings attached it would be a Schmidt, if limited to $10k a Code with all the extras (Moog One not even a close 2nd), under $5k Polybrute every single time though Super 6 and Summit would make me think about it. Especially after such a great comparison.
I wish a test and compare of the Novation Summit
Super 6 so creamy, need to hustle and get a desktop version
Great comparison, thank you!
I have both and if I had to sell one it would be the super6, it’s a beautiful design and great sound while IMPO the PB is ugly but still is way more expressive and dynamic than the super6
Hehe, now we have the Polybrute 12 and Super Gemini. We are so spoilt.
PolyBrute sounds more alive, runs circles around the UDO in terms of sound design and the 2 VCFs on the Polybrute are very different and completely transform the synth.
@ghost mall I guess "hi-fi" is a bit vague, as even though I think the binaural effect of the Super 6 is very cool, I find it a bit lifeless sounding. I am not going to say it sounds like a plug in, cause plug ins these days sound awesome and the UDO filters do help a bit.
And yeah, I prefer a lively and raw tone that I can smooth out to my liking during the production stage. I am not even a big fan of Steiner Parker filters, but the Polybrute seems to pull it off very nicely. But I am not a keyboard player, I like wild synths that do crazy sounds and push the envelope.
Tastes and all that.
VCOs vs Digital Oscillators
Own both of them, but the UDO will stand time… Also, try it in a mix, the UDO blends in flawlessly, the Arturia is another story. Same happened with the MatrixBrute… never felt right.
I've had zero issues getting the PB sitting in a mix. Like any other instrument.
I’m sorry, I got both as well, how do you have trouble blending the poly in? Quite literally the opposite for me, though, it isn’t hard to tame the Super 6 relative to other tracks.
Try some external EQ
How did I know you'd choose Dreamy when demoing the reverbs? :) It's lovely isn't it?
These synths with 8 voices would be faithful successors to legends like a Jupiter 8 or Prophet, if there was just a music market for songs that would let these things shine. Nowadays I wonder if any mix really would have the space to fit in the binaural mode of the Super6 or the crazy capabilities of the PB.
Truth
Don't worry about what's happening at the top of the charts. Actually interesting music rarely wanders through there and it's been that way for decades. Meanwhile interesting content is always being produced on the sidelines/underground. And if you find there is nobody out there doing what you want to hear, that's a good thing for your creative output potential.
just bought the super 6 , it will arrive in days. the polybrute sounds massive wow... jesus i am jealous now
The Super6 will be more than enough :) it’s a great synth - loads of character. The only true other is to buy both 😂
44:26 Sounds like a Prophet. For a few seconds! 44:55 Ditto.
both synths are magic... plane and simple!
I kind of like them but I feel so synthed out. So many products, so little money. It's a kind of overload. If I had the money, my house would be full of these things and somehow I think they would all drive me mad and I would buy a baby grand piano instead.
I have a grand and I am still looking at all this. Keys are addictive.
Piano is not going to cover electronic genres.
They both sound amazing, loving the pad sounds from them. The desktop Super 6 has me interested but what to sell is the question?
Sell nothing. Life is too short for regret.
Monstruos review, perfection!
Excellent info great format la, greetings and new sub from sunny Birkenhead
I think The UDO might be the best sounding Synth ive ever heard however i decided against it and for the polybrute. I love the morphing capabilities, the expression via the ribbon and the morphe and last but not least... the layout. I know most prefer the old school look of the UDO, i however love the concept of the matrix (also might make the sequencer usable for me for the first time) and the possibility to see all the modulation going on on a glance. Maybe if im more fluid with everything i might get the UDO as well cause that binural sound is outstanding.For now, because of the reasons above and the sheer flexability, i go with the Polybrute since it will be the center of my synth sounddesign compartment, only accompanied by the sub37.
I also own a Polybrute and am very happy with it.
Same here. The UDO sounds amazing! The PolyB sounds great - I went with the PolyB, and I will never sell it! I needed those vintage (70's) sounds and the PolyB nails it, I can get into Memorymoog and Arp Odyssey territory! The UDO leans more 80s vintage, maybe one day I will need one!
SUPER 6 just has more tones available and a better sounding filter. I keep hearing music from the Super 6 and synth sounds from the PolyBrute. I think it is the filter on the 6...
You must like digital oscillators. That’s the biggest difference, really.
BTW, I came to this video expecting the Polybrute to cream the Super 6, but, the Super 6 sounds *really* good! At the grand old age of 53 it also looks a lot more like the synths I used to dream of as a kid, standing in the music shop in Manchester, looking at a whole wall of utter wonderfulness. (Yes, that's a word now.) Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it.
(Still prefer the Polybrute, though!)
That one UNIQUE thing the SUPER 6 has: MAGIC SOUND! Also....the ARTURIA causes me to have PANIC ATTACKS. PLUS, YOUR CAT prefers the UDO.
I like the Super 6 from the beginning but the other day I tried one in a store, and I didn't have much fun with it, it wasn't as spontaneous as I would have liked to, but that must be my own fault... The thing I really was a bit disappointed about is that the faders didn't always have the same amount mechanical resistance, and at this price point I really would have thought the quality of construction had to be perfect...
thats odd, this one feels bullet proof.
@@StarskyCarr Ok, good to know. Thanks for answering.
I'll be trying another one soon. I was hoping for bullet proof quality but the one I tried wasn't like that.
Have played both, the Super 6 plays (sounds) in a another league
Agreed, managed to play the polybrute not long ago and have owned a super 6 since last september, I initially played the super 6 at namm and it simply left me impressed for months to come
Same.
M’eh. Can’t love either.
Which would you choose? And now since we have the udo 8?
Really great videos! I'd like to hear the UDO playing your big ARP midi sequence (I believe it starts at around 4 minutes, I heard it a thousand times :)) you had the Behringer 2600 play in your Demo video. Is the UDO capable of sounding like the 2600?
PRO 3 also has ‘the Polybrute’s most unique feature’ … Jus’ sayin’ 😉
You REALLY wanted 5 octaves with the OB6. What happened!?
15:35 ! Love the crying cat! :-)
Sometimes I have to stop as they start talking to me... commenting on the synths I think - joining in with the fun!!
The polybrute sounds a little more brash to my ears, while the Super 6 sounds smoother. The polybrute has more variety of sounds. The Udo has a more appealing interface, imo. I prefer faders over knobs. The sounds on the Udo are more inspiring to my ears. The Udo is more inviting.
10:37 Starsky............Mr. Carr............Sir...............Question for you. Are the lights blinking on the synth or is this a cool looking unintended effect due to frame rate stuff I only pretend to understand? It looks neat.
Haha…. It’s a frame rate/shutter angle strobe thing. I’ve since got a camera that can compensate 😃
I’ve had the Polybrute for several months and for some reason hadn’t realized LFO 3 could function as a time-variable 4th envelope. And that’s a great example of how much functionality and versatility is packed onto the front panel. It was already incredibly deep and now LFO 3 is this new playground to explore. It’s a little hard to explain how damn great this synth is. And if I may be so bold, I can’t think of any reason why it isn’t already better than any “classic” poly. Maybe you want to chase that sound of the late 70’s/early 80s, but that sound, sorry, IMO, wasn’t that great to begin with. It was the sound of music I generally hated back then - mushy brass fed by cocaine, mullets and parachute pants. The Polybrute, on the other hand, sounds more true vintage to me. The Ondes Martinot, the Hammond organ, the Clavinet, the Mellotron, and the Fender Rhodes seem more part of the Polybrute’s DNA than Jump or Africa. And it even evokes folk and ethnic instruments, which I would not have thought possible from an analog poly synth before I got the Polybrute.
There's tonnes in the Polybrute. Its hugely flexible ... and considering its an all analog signal path that's quite something.
I'll take both.
How are the keybeds?
I like the cat on the left and UDO 6 ;-)
4:09 I just melted
I want them both
Love the cat.
Do I need one of them when I already own a Moog One?
Yes, ...the Super6!
Yeah the PolyBrute is too similar from most aspects. Super6 for you 😀
The cat is a very nice cat, as cat’s go.
This is a very tough call for me!
Tough call for anyone 😀
Super 8 vs poly brute 12? Super 8 vs 16 voice moog one?
haha.. only problem with those is that I don't own any of the synths :)
Would you say my friend that the difference between those 2 justifies my decison to get them both?
That's a difficult one. But I'd say yes.. There's so little crossover and they both have a completely distinct character from the other.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks for calming down my guilty conscience mate... Looking forward to another excellent comparison of yours!
It's the Brute for me. If only I had the money to burn.
The Polybrute is a Monster.
Both. That’s the answer.
It's bigger on the inside!
as cool as the Super 6 looks, the PB has this thing beat across the board
Polybrute and Moog One are best modern polys for me. Supersix: not my cup of tea, prefer Peak/Summit
Summit seems so much better than the Super 6. Feels like an Emperor’s New Clothes situation going on with the Super 6 … I really don’t understand what all the fuss was about, with it. 🤷🏻♂️
Super 6 : Only 4 octaves for such a beauty synth... what a mistake ! my old Juno-6 got five !
I don’t mind 4 octaves too much… what really annoys me is that all my stands are max 150cm wide so I can’t fit a Poly and a mono on the same rack. I always seem to need another 10cm!
No! I prefer PolyBrute still :)) Eh! If I could place it somewhere in my room. Seems that it's like a medium table by size.
Way more into the Polybrute but I'm just way more into the craziness / way too busy style sounds. With the Moog One, Polybrute, Hydrasynth, and Poly Evolver, I kind of lost interest in all my vintage poly synths. Blasphemy, I know.
The flexibility of these new synths blow the vintage stuff out of the water.
Just not the sounds/tone!
@@kierenmoore3236 Yeah, I actually ended up keeping a Trident, Polymoog 203a, etc. Moog One plus Polymoog 203a might be the best combo ever. I also ended up selling the Polybrute because the One is just so much better. The Polybrute is cool if you can't get a One but really there's no reason to have both.
PolyBrute is the chorus as good as juno
For music to picture work - PolyBrute? As you say, more of a chameleon.
Polybrute All The Way 💯
Tons of bells and whistles with the Arturia...Feauture packed...they put everything they could and it tells in that convoluted panel...I know looks are subjective but to me it's such an ugly looking beast... Sounds wize, to my ears the Super 6 wins hands down specially with that beautiful stereo panning in Binaural mode and it looks amazing, no menu diving, no screens or gimmicks just pure and simply what you see is what you get...once again less is more
The PB has a lot of knobs, buttons, sliders, but it isn‘t convoluted at all. You can always see what you are/were doing. The mod matrix alone is so much better than the UDO‘s one.
Macron's gonna be pissed if you buy a Super 6 over a Polybrute! AUKUS strikes again!
Macron doesn't give a shit about France and French people, don't worry about him. (I'm French.)
Like comparing a Cadillac to a Yugo
Which is which?
4:40 … the Super 6 doesn’t have * any* VCOs … it has FPGA digital oscillators …
Obviously a slip of the tongue. I then say they’re digital as I did earlier. 🤷♂️ I’m forever catching myself saying the wrong words! This one missed the sieve.
i have watched a lot of videos of the super 6 and i haven't heard anything super about it. its nice but nothing special.
Watch the synth demo at schneidersladen, that really blew me away but each to their own.
Wholeheartedly disagree
PB >> S6
S6 costs more than the Polybrute … that is RIDICULOUS !!
UDO synths are so overhyped and overpriced !!
What the heck?? 🤷♂️ these are completely different look
Yeah.. 2 completely different approaches to 6 voice polys.