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I love the Dark Urge's comments on the children's game. Something about "Did I play games like this in my youth? Was I sweet once?" in particular really touched me.
About the beautiful woman on the beach: in early access, before Wylls story got a rewrite, Mizora used to be among the crash survivors, getting captured by Minthara - and it was Wylls mission to free her. Makes sense that a Succubus charmed the fisher.
@@sheogorath1374 I think they felt that some of it wasn't fleshed out. Wylls story was about him getting scarred by goblins (I think fezzek, the guy at the windmill?). But yeah, every bit of bg3 is a masterpiece - I would love to see more of it :/ back to divinity I guess.
@@sheogorath1374 act 1 filled with insane cut content. it makes me really sad to see because we are never gonna experience things that already done, the were voice acted, etc
I loved Wyll's voice and personality in EA. Shame that they rewrote his story. Now he suffers from lack of content comparing to other characters. Overall i liked the vibe of EA a lot more. Our companions were a lot less nicer. At least in my opinion. I remember Astarion being more of a prick. Same with Lae'zel and Shart didn't really approve my ''good choices''. Wyll was up his own ass too and it was really interesting to me to have 90% of the companions that are more ''evil/neutral''. You usually get only one or two like that.
@@sheogorath1374They changed Wyll’s story because they said he was “boring” and “basic” but I feel like all that did was nearly cut him out completely. Like he barely gets any romance scenes until the last chapter, he doesn’t get the opportunity to actually challenge his father on being a dickhead to him, and you don’t really get a good “climatic” game changing choices. Just “sign contract again teehee?” Both his and Karlach’s stories seemed half finished which sucks but at least the patches gave us a hopeful ending for Karlach.
You're right, i'm not where i saw it, maybe on Larian's forum, but someone datamined and found that a mindflayer made the fisherman believe he was a beautiful woman to help it
@@menotme4602 "datamined XY story event" without any source is as credible an explanation as "My uncle works at larian and told me the emperor is really scratch in disguise"
In the Early Access, there were fishermen near the injured mind flayer at the crash site, trying to dig him up from the rubble. Their dialogue mentioned them each thinking there was a family member of theirs stuck under there or someone else they'd want to save, and there was I think a persuasion check to help them realize they're being influenced by a mind flayer. So yes, I think this "beautiful woman" is probably that - a mind flayer.
@@KasumiRINA They cut a lot of EA versions out, could b due to time constraints and or story purposes, Ik in act2 the nightsong was suppose to be an entirely different person and Halsin basically was the one that murdered isobel
@@randomclod385 that's major writing changes, I was asking why they cut NPCs from act one that don't affect main story but give more fleshed-out world in now-empty areas.
When I first spoke to the dead fisherman because I did not know I could speak to him, I was playing as Astarion. So it was really funny when he mentioned the elf running north. I was like uhhhh me? Haha
If you destroy the door where priestess gut tries to Make you drink a sleeping potion, it'll show the open door, and then she'll be like "CAN'T GET NO DAMN PRIVACY"
The mystery woman was just the injured mindflayer. All the people around it saw whatever they needed to see to make them gather around and protect it. If it headed west it would have run right into the wrecked raft of the very band of fishermen you later find gathered around it.
That wouldve made the injured mindflayer way more interesting. Like a trail of bodies each telling you a different thing (a pretty woman, a distressed child, a loved one) that lured them it
I talked to every corpse who would talk after getting the amulet and wondered about the woman myself. A Siren? Turned out there are none. Could it have been Minthara who after seeing the crash came there to gain new recruits? She is attractive and can influence people's minds, like she tried with me. Brynna looking for survivors? But Brynna isn't beautiful... Another question is: who was in the empty Mind Flayer Pod you find in the Forest? You forgot to add Dark Urge to the Hopscotch Game memories. It's very different from Tav: "Did I play games like this in my youth? Was I sweet once?"
The pod in the forest is Karlach's. When you click on it, you'll remark it smells of sulfur. That early on, Wyll doesn't smell like sulfur. Mizora wasn't trapped on the ship. Because of how long she has been in Avernus and due to her Infernal Engine, Karlach does smell like sulfur.
@@RazielTheUnborn I definitely clicked on it. How could I fail to notice the sulfur part? Karlach can be found not that far away, too. Thank you so much. Now I wonder what would have happened if I had clicked on it with Karlach... Edit: I just checked (I am keeping recordings for myself so that I can keep track of things). I clicked on it, but only had the Narrator say that the occupant is nowhere to be seen. My character didn't remark anything. Neither did any of my companions (Karlach, Shadowheart and Wyll). Either you need to click a second time or it has something to do with what Patch and Hotfix it was.
You can actually give the eyes to someone in your party and then pick the other one for yourself i gave Ethel's eyes to Astarion and pick the Volo's one for myself , Astarion reaction when you tell her to take is eyes was funny 😂
I hate how Volo refuses to operate on Wyll because he has only one good eye, despite VOLO OPERATING BEHIND THE EYE THAT WYLL IS ALREADY MISSING, only risk was Mizora getting angry lol.
Also noticed that if you chat with the chicken just before your race starts you can urge her to attack the goblins instead of running again lol. Poor girl was so done 🐔
The woman that survived is probably Karlach. "Went west, others followed" - the paladins were hunting her. "They couldn't help themselves" - because of their contract.
Nah, tiefling women are rarely spoken of by other races as beautiful, still too much stigma against them on the sword coast for me to think a group of men were awestruck by her beauty. Karlach looks more delivish than your average tiefling even I imagine she’d naturallly evoke some fear
Hi, thank you for the video! My Pact of the Chain Wyll has the Shapeshift ability. Auntie Ethel was willing to replace his stone eye, so long as he was shapeshifted to appear as someone with both. I intend to try it with Volo, too.
The Elf couldnt be Astarion, cause Astarion stands next to his pod. I was kind of hoping to find the missing couple later in the game but alas, later I read somewhere that it was part of the quest with Mindflayer that was deleted from release version of the game.
In early access the mindflayer you find injured used to present itself as the dead child of a fisherman who is pulling it out of the wreckage. The woman the fisherman is talking about is most likely the injured mondflayer
the goblin barrels in the grove where there because when minthara invades the grove, there's a agre that throw those barrels on top of the grove walls. If the invasion doesn't happen because you already killed everyone, there's no ogre to throw it.
If you do Volo's eye first Auntie won't take your other eye, and if you do Auntie first then Volo will give the same dialogue about not being able to take your last good eye. Wyll also can't get hag's eye because he already has the one-eyed tag
The woman could be Auntie Ethel, but transformed to look beautiful. It's said that others followed her, those could be the masked thralls in her command. If mind flayers could get a hold of Mizora, they could get a hag. How Ethel could set up shop in her cave that quickly after the crash beats me.
If you use a female Drow to get Dhourn's mind crystal in the Underdark he will not become aggressive. If you want his piece of the ice-staff then you'll need to attack him, or try & steal it.
I think you might have gotten a different reaction to ethel being reveled in the grove if you'd brought her to the druid instead of the tieflings. since the only one in the area that helped you fight her was a druid i assume its because the tieflings are civilians mostly
Yup you'll get similar dialogue about only having one good eye. The reverse is also true - if you do Volo's eye first Auntie won't take your other. Wyll also can't get hag's eye
I tried throwing water on Volo after he took his invisibility potion to reveal him and see what would happen. Sad to say it didn't change anything. He just runs by everyone like he was invisible.
What happened on my first playthrough was I went to goblin camp prior to entering owlbear cave and the chicken was there. I didn't do anything except explore the goblin camp, so no fighting/aggro. I finished up exploring the area (as in, did the owlbear cave--persuaded my way free and did not kill or attack her) and when I went back to the goblin camp later, the owlbear cub was now there. In subsequent playthroughs, I have always gone to owlbear cave prior to the goblin camp and have never seen the chicken since.
@@Saasan Yeah I'm in the first playthrough and both Scratch and cub got botched :( Can't summon Scratch outside of camp and the cub is nowhere to be seen, even though I told it to search for my camp at the goblin's camp.
So, I found a way to get the owlbear cub that I haven't seen posted anywhere. I did it on my first run through and it was an accident. I spoke to Krolla, declined to play the game. I then sold enough stuff to take all of her available gold. When I tried to play the game after she said that she can't host the game because she doesn't have enough money for bets. I was then able to say that I was taking the owlbear cub and she just let me have him and I'm pretty sure I didn't even have to do a skill check.
I did find the Owlbear cave in my first playthrough, but failed to recruit the cub because I went to the goblin camp before trying to interact with them
The Volo's surgery also can not be performed if you had your eye messed with by Ethel. Ethel's "operation" on your eye does give you a tolerable debuff for the rest of the game but it is also the only way to make your one character's eye look blind if that's what you want (I did for my character specifically for the visual effect). Also if you don't like the way Volo's eye looks but still want the buff, you can find a mod on nexus that hides that visual effect.
The woman should be the injured mind flayer who charmed the fisherman to believe it's a beautiful woman, thus they thought it's so beautiful that they couldn't look away and couldn't help following it. It just sounds like being charmed.
It's weird but the game seems to interrupt that line as you lying to the chicken to get it to play the game for your benefit with no intention of actually helping her
I don't understand that people will take pity on a pretend chicken that begs for help and then eat the corpse of a real chicken that wanted to live just as much. Is it because you couldn't hear it begging?
@@Saasan Well, according to the word of slaughterhouse works, all animals beg not to die in their own way. We just have trained ourselves not to see it.
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I love the Dark Urge's comments on the children's game. Something about "Did I play games like this in my youth? Was I sweet once?" in particular really touched me.
same
Pave my path with corpses, build my castle with bones.
If you use heal in act 3 on durge, depending on if you defied bhaal or became his chosen, you find out that he was indeed sweet once.
@@closetdwight2450 wdym?
@@nicholasbueno3210 If you cast the lv6 spell slot heal on durge in act 3 you get a flashback depending on your choice with bhaal.
About the beautiful woman on the beach: in early access, before Wylls story got a rewrite, Mizora used to be among the crash survivors, getting captured by Minthara - and it was Wylls mission to free her. Makes sense that a Succubus charmed the fisher.
I hope there will be a mod that restores the cut content from the EA. I really don't understand why they cut some of that stuff.
@@sheogorath1374 I think they felt that some of it wasn't fleshed out. Wylls story was about him getting scarred by goblins (I think fezzek, the guy at the windmill?). But yeah, every bit of bg3 is a masterpiece - I would love to see more of it :/ back to divinity I guess.
@@sheogorath1374 act 1 filled with insane cut content. it makes me really sad to see because we are never gonna experience things that already done, the were voice acted, etc
I loved Wyll's voice and personality in EA. Shame that they rewrote his story. Now he suffers from lack of content comparing to other characters. Overall i liked the vibe of EA a lot more. Our companions were a lot less nicer. At least in my opinion. I remember Astarion being more of a prick. Same with Lae'zel and Shart didn't really approve my ''good choices''. Wyll was up his own ass too and it was really interesting to me to have 90% of the companions that are more ''evil/neutral''. You usually get only one or two like that.
@@sheogorath1374They changed Wyll’s story because they said he was “boring” and “basic” but I feel like all that did was nearly cut him out completely. Like he barely gets any romance scenes until the last chapter, he doesn’t get the opportunity to actually challenge his father on being a dickhead to him, and you don’t really get a good “climatic” game changing choices. Just “sign contract again teehee?” Both his and Karlach’s stories seemed half finished which sucks but at least the patches gave us a hopeful ending for Karlach.
I think that woman was the injured mind flayer. It disguised itself as a woman and manipulated the fisherman to get close to it.
You're right, i'm not where i saw it, maybe on Larian's forum, but someone datamined and found that a mindflayer made the fisherman believe he was a beautiful woman to help it
I always thought it was the Emperor disguised as the Dream Visitor but I think yours is more likely
@@menotme4602 most likely.
@@menotme4602 "datamined XY story event" without any source is as credible an explanation as "My uncle works at larian and told me the emperor is really scratch in disguise"
@@sirvallenstein I mean I heard that about the cut content too. Apparently they were both supposed to be alive and there was a side quest
In the Early Access, there were fishermen near the injured mind flayer at the crash site, trying to dig him up from the rubble. Their dialogue mentioned them each thinking there was a family member of theirs stuck under there or someone else they'd want to save, and there was I think a persuasion check to help them realize they're being influenced by a mind flayer.
So yes, I think this "beautiful woman" is probably that - a mind flayer.
If i remember correctly it was a daughter of one of those fishermen and she has been dead for years.
@@Isus24-s8e u r right
Why they cut it? That area looks especially empty with how the only one with dialogue on immediate coast is Shart and that one mind flayer.
@@KasumiRINA They cut a lot of EA versions out, could b due to time constraints and or story purposes, Ik in act2 the nightsong was suppose to be an entirely different person and Halsin basically was the one that murdered isobel
@@randomclod385 that's major writing changes, I was asking why they cut NPCs from act one that don't affect main story but give more fleshed-out world in now-empty areas.
When I first spoke to the dead fisherman because I did not know I could speak to him, I was playing as Astarion. So it was really funny when he mentioned the elf running north. I was like uhhhh me? Haha
If you destroy the door where priestess gut tries to Make you drink a sleeping potion, it'll show the open door, and then she'll be like "CAN'T GET NO DAMN PRIVACY"
The mystery woman was just the injured mindflayer. All the people around it saw whatever they needed to see to make them gather around and protect it. If it headed west it would have run right into the wrecked raft of the very band of fishermen you later find gathered around it.
That wouldve made the injured mindflayer way more interesting. Like a trail of bodies each telling you a different thing (a pretty woman, a distressed child, a loved one) that lured them it
@@temperspace in ea there were people trying to save the injured mindflayer cuz it made them think it was a family member
I talked to every corpse who would talk after getting the amulet and wondered about the woman myself. A Siren? Turned out there are none. Could it have been Minthara who after seeing the crash came there to gain new recruits? She is attractive and can influence people's minds, like she tried with me. Brynna looking for survivors? But Brynna isn't beautiful...
Another question is: who was in the empty Mind Flayer Pod you find in the Forest?
You forgot to add Dark Urge to the Hopscotch Game memories. It's very different from Tav: "Did I play games like this in my youth? Was I sweet once?"
The pod in the forest is Karlach's. When you click on it, you'll remark it smells of sulfur. That early on, Wyll doesn't smell like sulfur. Mizora wasn't trapped on the ship. Because of how long she has been in Avernus and due to her Infernal Engine, Karlach does smell like sulfur.
@@RazielTheUnborn I definitely clicked on it. How could I fail to notice the sulfur part?
Karlach can be found not that far away, too.
Thank you so much.
Now I wonder what would have happened if I had clicked on it with Karlach...
Edit: I just checked (I am keeping recordings for myself so that I can keep track of things). I clicked on it, but only had the Narrator say that the occupant is nowhere to be seen. My character didn't remark anything. Neither did any of my companions (Karlach, Shadowheart and Wyll).
Either you need to click a second time or it has something to do with what Patch and Hotfix it was.
Agree to disagree on Brynna but you are probably right it's not her
7:23 Taking Ethel's deal also prohibits you from Volo's surgery, which is a shame. I'd have loved to play the game without any real eyes.
The reverse is true as well, if you’ve taken Volo’s surgery (or you’re playing as Wyll) she’ll offer you the deal but then rescind it
You can actually give the eyes to someone in your party and then pick the other one for yourself i gave Ethel's eyes to Astarion and pick the Volo's one for myself , Astarion reaction when you tell her to take is eyes was funny 😂
I hate how Volo refuses to operate on Wyll because he has only one good eye, despite VOLO OPERATING BEHIND THE EYE THAT WYLL IS ALREADY MISSING, only risk was Mizora getting angry lol.
I simply can’t wait to “pick” your brain hits different now for some reason 😂
yeah, cant quite put my eye on why
Lobotomy be hitting different
Also noticed that if you chat with the chicken just before your race starts you can urge her to attack the goblins instead of running again lol. Poor girl was so done 🐔
The woman that survived is probably Karlach. "Went west, others followed" - the paladins were hunting her.
"They couldn't help themselves" - because of their contract.
Good observation. Seems most likely in my opinion. 💪
I believe one of the paladins was an elf so the elf he mentioned could have been her
Best explanation that I've seen so far.
the womans the injured mindflayer. in ea there were people trying to save the injured mindflayer cuz it got into their heads and entranced them
Nah, tiefling women are rarely spoken of by other races as beautiful, still too much stigma against them on the sword coast for me to think a group of men were awestruck by her beauty. Karlach looks more delivish than your average tiefling even I imagine she’d naturallly evoke some fear
Hi, thank you for the video! My Pact of the Chain Wyll has the Shapeshift ability. Auntie Ethel was willing to replace his stone eye, so long as he was shapeshifted to appear as someone with both. I intend to try it with Volo, too.
There was some cut content with those bodies on the shore involving illusions. If you talk to the woman there, she mentions a different vision
90% of players didn't know about the chicken in goblin camp? yeah somehow I don't believe that
The Elf couldnt be Astarion, cause Astarion stands next to his pod. I was kind of hoping to find the missing couple later in the game but alas, later I read somewhere that it was part of the quest with Mindflayer that was deleted from release version of the game.
6:32 Drow/duegar and dark urge also have unique dialogue to this
In early access the mindflayer you find injured used to present itself as the dead child of a fisherman who is pulling it out of the wreckage. The woman the fisherman is talking about is most likely the injured mondflayer
the goblin barrels in the grove where there because when minthara invades the grove, there's a agre that throw those barrels on top of the grove walls. If the invasion doesn't happen because you already killed everyone, there's no ogre to throw it.
Woman elf ran up the beach and started banging on the door. That's shadow heart
It's not Shadowheart because if you save her she doesn't do that and the fisherman's dialogue is the same.
And as Shadowheart said: half elf.
MINTHARA EVEN ONE OF THE GOBLINS LOVES MINTHARA
If you do Volo's eye first Auntie won't take your other eye, and if you do Auntie first then Volo will give the same dialogue about not being able to take your last good eye. Wyll also can't get hag's eye because he already has the one-eyed tag
the barrels outside the grove are for the troll, he picks them up during the raid and throws the barrel at the enemies on top of the gate
Ofc Arron joins the fight vs Ethel, she is also a merchant and he doesn't miss out on getting rid of competition :)
The woman could be Auntie Ethel, but transformed to look beautiful. It's said that others followed her, those could be the masked thralls in her command. If mind flayers could get a hold of Mizora, they could get a hag. How Ethel could set up shop in her cave that quickly after the crash beats me.
If you use a female Drow to get Dhourn's mind crystal in the Underdark he will not become aggressive. If you want his piece of the ice-staff then you'll need to attack him, or try & steal it.
I think you might have gotten a different reaction to ethel being reveled in the grove if you'd brought her to the druid instead of the tieflings. since the only one in the area that helped you fight her was a druid i assume its because the tieflings are civilians mostly
Fun fact: Karlach actually recites the theme of the game you come across.
Durge also has different dialogue for the game I believe. Something like "was I sweet once?"
I wonder if the PC has made the deal with Ethel does it impact somehow when Volo starts tinkering with your eyes?
Yup you'll get similar dialogue about only having one good eye. The reverse is also true - if you do Volo's eye first Auntie won't take your other. Wyll also can't get hag's eye
I tried throwing water on Volo after he took his invisibility potion to reveal him and see what would happen. Sad to say it didn't change anything. He just runs by everyone like he was invisible.
Note that if you convince Dhourn to give up his memory shard because you're a female drow, you won't get his piece of the staff you can make.
You can still pickpocket it from him so not so awful
I did not kill the owlbear mom and yet the cub was still at the goblin's camp.
What happened on my first playthrough was I went to goblin camp prior to entering owlbear cave and the chicken was there. I didn't do anything except explore the goblin camp, so no fighting/aggro. I finished up exploring the area (as in, did the owlbear cave--persuaded my way free and did not kill or attack her) and when I went back to the goblin camp later, the owlbear cub was now there. In subsequent playthroughs, I have always gone to owlbear cave prior to the goblin camp and have never seen the chicken since.
@@Saasan Yeah I'm in the first playthrough and both Scratch and cub got botched :(
Can't summon Scratch outside of camp and the cub is nowhere to be seen, even though I told it to search for my camp at the goblin's camp.
So, I found a way to get the owlbear cub that I haven't seen posted anywhere. I did it on my first run through and it was an accident. I spoke to Krolla, declined to play the game. I then sold enough stuff to take all of her available gold. When I tried to play the game after she said that she can't host the game because she doesn't have enough money for bets. I was then able to say that I was taking the owlbear cub and she just let me have him and I'm pretty sure I didn't even have to do a skill check.
It's a good one. I want your permission to add this in my next vid. (with credit)
Pretty sure it is meant for the shadowheart that bangs on the door.
Auntie ethel wont take your eye if youre wyll or if you had your eye replaced by volo either!
I got the chicken on my first playthrough. I never found the owl bear cave, so that must be why.
I did find the Owlbear cave in my first playthrough, but failed to recruit the cub because I went to the goblin camp before trying to interact with them
It’s like right there
Have you covered finding Chell and the other backup tieflings yet?
isnt chell alfira replacement?
@@nodforkiss I'm not sure. I've seen a mention of him/her but never found them!
@@paul_mumford so in my playthrough alfira and lakrissa dead, rest of the tieflings alive. so im guessing she is alfira replacement.
@@nodforkiss She is. In my playthrough Alfira was the only one dead at the party, and I met Chell.
Amazing! You are a BG3 mad scientist.
The Volo's surgery also can not be performed if you had your eye messed with by Ethel. Ethel's "operation" on your eye does give you a tolerable debuff for the rest of the game but it is also the only way to make your one character's eye look blind if that's what you want (I did for my character specifically for the visual effect). Also if you don't like the way Volo's eye looks but still want the buff, you can find a mod on nexus that hides that visual effect.
could the woman perhaps be a hint of the harpies that are near the beach trying to kill that tiefling kid?
one of my favorite durge lines is at the hopscotch game :'(
Was the Durge sweet once?
What happen to Lae'zels voice about the kids game ?
Wasn't it confirmed the woman the guys talking about was the mind flayer???
Foreshadow "I can't wait to pick your brain!"
The woman is probably the dying illithid you find in the crash site.
Given that you fight sirens not long after the Druid conclave...
Harpy’s not sirens
"Shadowhort" 😭😭😭😭😭
Short
I assumed the woman was a harpy
I be don’t think it could be shadow heart She gets the same line .
The woman should be the injured mind flayer who charmed the fisherman to believe it's a beautiful woman, thus they thought it's so beautiful that they couldn't look away and couldn't help following it. It just sounds like being charmed.
Why does Karlach disapprove of helping the chicken?
It's weird but the game seems to interrupt that line as you lying to the chicken to get it to play the game for your benefit with no intention of actually helping her
No they don’t
i missed a lot because I slaughtered everyone!
I think he saw the Guardian who left the prism to cast slow fall spell
i miss my Drizzt
I dislike that you add ads in your video. I only came here for the video content
It was the dream visitor for the first one.
Minthara.
awesome videos and info but no need for the multi colored subtitles, really ruins the videos
Guess I'm 10%
it's shadowheart
I don't understand that people will take pity on a pretend chicken that begs for help and then eat the corpse of a real chicken that wanted to live just as much. Is it because you couldn't hear it begging?
Yup. The begging humanizes the chicken.
@@Saasan Well, according to the word of slaughterhouse works, all animals beg not to die in their own way. We just have trained ourselves not to see it.
hi, peta called, it wants its vegan back
Mm yummy flesh i love the feeling of moist, dead seared flesh between my fangs nom :v
Wdym peta kills more animals than anyone