it's intended to scam consumer. Look up their mobile line up this year 6s gen 3 is a rebrand of a 695 which is from 2021 8s gen3 = 7+gen3 but overclocked > 7+gen 2> 7 gen 3 > 7 gen 2 > 7s gen 2 they are confusing customer in order to get more money so now company like motorola put 8s gen 3 instead of 8 gen 3 in their flagship motorola edge 50 ultra and normal consumer think it has snapdragon 8 it must be the same as 8 gen 3 scammy company
Apple figured something out a long time ago. Don't make people have to figure anything out in the store. Offer just a few options with easy to figure out specs. Regular, plus, pro and super pro. That's it. Snapdragon needs to be the same.
@@ShellymanStudios Pretty ignorant naming scheme, typical of CPU manufacturers in the Windows space ig though. Qualcomm must not understand what the word "Elite" actually means.
On the other hand, there's 2 different variants of almost every base M1, M2 & M3 chip with different core counts. So there's a limit to how much that can fly when even Apple has to provide "distinction" in their own small way.
@@UnscuffedIoniannah but with apple they have the advantage of being one company. Basically all their chips are better as the numbers go up. M3 is the best than a pro is better than base and a max is better than the pro. Straight forward. Other thing is generally the more you spend the better it is. There are cases where windows laptops are $500 more than another one but less powerful or just worse.
@@justinweinstein22 I don't think I'm making my point very well. There's the; M3 with 8 CPU cores, 8 GPU cores M3 with 8 CPU cores, 10 GPU cores M3 Pro with 11 CPU cores, 14 GPU cores M3 Pro with 12 CPU cores, 18 GPU cores M3 Max with 14 CPU cores, 30 GPU cores M3 Max with 16 CPU cores, 40 GPU cores It's equally a mess, but less so than whatever Qualcomm is smoking
@@akyhne They are worse than x86 chips in every work flow but casual work. The Apple M laptops are the only ARM computers that can pull off high-performance tasks.
@@LEMKINADE Of course they are worse than x86 in many tasks. CISC architecture is superior to RISC, so for complicated tasks x86 will beat any RISC chip. But it's still early days for software for the Snapdragon X. M1 had a rough start too. That's the whole reason why Apple took so long to release a tower M based computer.
it annoys me that the "snapdragon x elite" actually has 4 different versions, like how tf am I suppose to know which one this snapdragon x elite laptop has?
@@PastafarianLemurI think because it doesn’t matter much. Like how Apple has multiple M3 variants with different GPU cores. At the end of the day, it will still perform well.
@Liatin1 you look at the spec sheet, like always. This isn't a new problem here, even before you had laptops that just said Intel Core i5 and nothing else, and then you had to dig into the specs to check the model number.
Yeah, in 6 months nobody will be interested in Snapdragon anymore. Having seen a few reviews, the chip seems ok, but is it not a huge difference to the good x86 ones and it is actually Microsoft doing the damage here with the power management configuration options(or lack of).
My wife still uses an M1 MBA. It is great. And it was good at launch too. But so is the X Elite. Neither of them were bad, but Apple was missing quite a few native ARM apps, but 99% of people on a MBA would never notice niche pro apps missing. Same for the X Elite, as long as your browser and MS office are snappy and glitch free, most thin and light users won’t notice either.
The tremendous amount of development Apple has put into media encoders with their native silicon has really paid dividends for them in the creator space. While X Elite is a big step forward for Windows on Arm, there's a LONG way to go before it's competitive with Apple, at least insofar as creator-type productivity.
Surface Laptop 7: Blue/Plus/512GB. I've been using Surface Pro X SQ1/16GB/256GB for about 4 years as my main pc so I know this will be great for me. Edge, WhatsApp (64-bit), Outlook, MS Todo all run good are the main apps I use it on. TIDAL (32-Bit) is sluggish, but music streaming is better on phones, so it will be good to fix that one. I've been waiting for exactly this laptop. Thanks.
@@arhamkhxnwhy do you say that? ARM apps have been trickling out for a few years now. Seems to mean it's already solid except for Gaming and Video editing but these aren't intended for gaming anyway, it's an odd argument and Adobe is working on Premier Pro. But point being if you don't use Adobe apos or Game, which is a lot of people. Why wait?
Lmao, the compile times aren't affected by a 2600M/s SSD. And I say that as a developer of codebases that make Firefox look small. The entirety of the codebase + built objects could probably be transferred around in just 3 seconds. If anything IOPS is more important when it comes to storage for large compilation but any SSD should have more than enough IOPS these days. That's clearly a computational bottleneck. It may be HP's particular settings for the chipset + cooling + more.
Thanks for actually talking about the imperfections in the experience of using ARM + Prism. So many reviewers are singing it's praises, and it's a really promising space, but I *know* the experience is far from seamless, and nobody has been talking about the cracks that show throw
Before pinning the blame on the SSD for the slow compile, perhaps you should confirm it by inspecting the disk usage. Even Task Manager reports disk read/write and utilisation. The full-blown Performance Monitor in Windows reports a lot more values.
Dear youtubers, listen Matthew, listen him good and carefully. Most of the reviewers are not mentioning about Snapdragon x elite variants. If you are going to buy a laptop with snapdragon X1E-78-100 version, be aware of it. That version only provides a tablet like performance.
lol I talk about this right in the beginning of the video and show the chart with the different variants. Dear commenters this isn’t a TikTok video watch the whole thing :P
@@MatthewMoniz as @omara.157 mentioned i just wanted the highlight the importance of being aware of processor variant. That's a vital thing but somehow not underlined enough across youtube and by companies.
Only 2 groups of power users are waiting for the laptop. Windows and Linux users. We hope to use it for programming because of its light weight configuration.
that my biggest issue with this chip too, next month AMD will release Strix Point that'll have a way faster CPU, GPU and NPU while being even more efficient and not needing emulation and will be the same price if not cheaper
From what Im hearing Strix point will be the best of X86 we've ever seen. Easy to say because its the latest but its supposed to be special. I hope the hype is real. Should have some in soon!
@@MatthewMoniz from the leaked benchmarks that I've seen, when it's pushed to the max at 54w, the Ryzen 9 370 with 12 cores has a CPU on part with a desktop 7900x and a GPU on par with a 3050 mobile, but the default TDP is at 28w
@@deneguil-1618 I saw a leaked pricing of the AMD Vivobook version and they will be very close in price to the X-Elite with 32GB/2TB for around $1300! Obviously, the AMD will kill the X Elite in every metric probably including battery life.
You hit the nail on the head. It does have MORE storage than all of those other laptops, and it's only $1,199 so a good deal at Best Buy. BUT with no OLED, and a slower SSD, it's best to wait until it goes on a significant sale to justify it.
Thanks for the review! Fan noise compared to the Intel/AMD predecessor would have been great ... to know how big the improvement is. I'm really looking forward to more silent laptops.
The only thing this has shown me is that there is no rush to abandon proper x86 laptops with a 4060/4070, especially given how you can find some with decent panels at comparable or slightly cheaper prices. Maybe in another generation or two, these will be viable for more than just light use.
Good video! Sounds like Windows itself is the weak link in these machines. Still, I see no reasopn to get these, with new Intel and AMD-based laptops coming out soon.
Is this the only HP version available or they will have the higher snapdragon x elite chip down the line? I really like this form factor from HP. Their designs have definitely become very slick recently.
The problem is there's not a lot of differentiation available for the vendors, and they want differences to spec it for more quiet or more performance. Apple is all vertically integrated, so they make one decision and it sticks unless the user complains
@@akyhne render test H.264 and HEVC footage. I have RTX 4080 and i am going to do the same test and i will let you know RTX 4080 CapCut vs Davinchi studio 19 public beta.
Well I agree the naming is confusing. If you're not researching thoroughly then you get whatever you get. You deserve it and researching is not just watching RUclips videos and I actually don't use RUclips videos to make any buying decision but that's just me
Serious question: how did you understand that dropped frames in games is due to emulation and not due to other factors, such as simply underpowered video hardware or immature video drivers? Can you describe the process that led to this conclusion?
Matt, OLED on laptops is not a selling point. Unless for gaming, OLED is just a terrible sacrifice just for the tiny bit more blacks you get compared to an LED. 1) Battery runtime: OLED consumes a LOT more power than an LED. 2) Burn ins.
This is really suprising that thre are no laptops with X Elite and dedicated graphics card. That's such an obvious combo and would solve main performance issues.
This the first time we're getting an ARM fully recognized by Microsoft though. The product is great for a lot of consumers, and the updates will come along as this is where the market is moving.
1200 bucks for a 60hz panel is NASTY NASTY WORK!! Smdh!!! HP wildin AGAIN!! But what’s new. Great video either way homie!!😂😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
3:40 but we are comparing a beta application that's running great for processors which it was designed for against a processor that just got released even tho devs at DaVinci probably had x elite engeneering sample or whatever we shouldn't take the beta results that seriously tho
Doesnt matter its whats available now. I can't a non-beta that doesn't exist. Just like I cant show Premiere Pro or After Effects since it was pulled until Adobe releases their ARM version.
Is Qualcomm paying these reviewers to never show battery comparison against a Mac? At least this guy showed the single core performance, some don't even do that. Its all multicore everywhere..
This is a non sponsored video. I showed everything compared to Mac minus battery life. Only because the program I use for PC laptops are different compared to the Mac. Trying to keep things fair
Toms hardware just released some details about that, they are lower then macbooks but MacBook pros also have a much larger battery than any Qualcomm laptop released so far. The custom power profiles of each laptop would also make this hard.
@@MatthewMoniz In my opinion it doesn't matter that the program you use to test is the same (I'm assuming you mean program to put some load on the laptop). It will be a comparison of real world usage between the two. The two ecosystems are designed to run different programs and the users of these systems will use different software to suit their platform best.
Apple’s integration has given them a significant competitive advantage. It has been almost 4 years since the M1 chip, and competitors are still nowhere close.
Nope, not how it works at all. Both Apple and Windows have diverging and competing paths for UI frameworks and programming languages (Swift vs dotnet). The CPU arch has zero impact here as it's far removed from app level development and simply a compiler flag.
Mac Is much harder to develop for because you need developers using macs, the architecture is really irrelevant as the other comment said, it's just a compile flag (which most of the times you don't even have to specify). But the hardest thing for multi platform is the testing and bug tracking, it's harder to do both when you have more than one platform, and unless you have a big reason to support both, it's not worth it
I feel like despite the criticism we give Apple, one thing we can all agree on is that they make the buying process extremely easy and transparent with what configuration and processor option you get. This is something that’s frustrating about PC/chip manufacturers
6:10 exactly said Matthew..In the Computex 2024 everyone bragged about the AI gimmick which most of the people won't use for day to day life & the most important part got neglected which was Prism emulator.I had the fear that they were gonna mess it up & they did.The whole X elite focus was to bring windows to life with great battery life without losing performance.Battery is there but the emulation sucked. Hope they are more focused on fixing this .
Yes, in the neverending build-up to release, I always pointed out to the fans bragging about benchmarks that will not be the problem; the emulation layer will. So, as with most changes this big, WOA will need time and patience for early adopters.
2:05 I think the chart may not be really helpful, as not many people outside of the state experienced "gunshot", or "airbag deployment." Can you make the ceiling of the chart 100~130?
About the Da Vinci issue, isn't that a software issue? I mean, why would the M3 Air be cruising with it while the X Elite struggling when they are almost the same in performance? It doesn't make sense to me.
Well!!!?? I don't care about if it's slower than Asus zen book or all of that productivity stuff like Adobe and 4k. Just like to hear what a "normal" person can do. Like surf all day, play a little game, music and all that. Without breaking the bank. My laptop now is definitely slower than that pc. Just a normal review. Not that all the other youtubers GRINDING all about every time. Please. Thank you. And your Chanel is great by the way 👌
I'm going to wait til Black Friday to see what the real prices of these laptops are. It'll probably take that long to get the bugs out anyway. Right now the Lenovo is the only compelling option to me. Why ASUS didn't lead with a Zenbook I have no idea.
They should have more than one slot of RAM and not soldered the stick. Can't upgrade it. We also need more software like Norton to support the ARM architecture.
Have you found any Wireless File Transfer apps work on ARM? I wish Google or Samsung would hurry up and release QuickShare for ARM. Although as MS is adding this to File Explorer natively maybe it won't matter.
@@RenpySageWindows Nearby Share and Android Nearby Share are different products. They just used to have the same name. What's the name of the Android app? Thanks.
Most of the people won't even care about their specs(general public). They just go to a store,ask for price, they'll buy it. The rest will have an idea about tech stuff,do their research and get what they want in their budget. In such a scenario,introducing chipset variants with different power levels,naming them with un conventional codes, multiple variants all are gonna make it hard to find the best one for you.snapdragon should seriously consider this,and should name their processors accordingly. Already the market confuses them ,sales people does the same ,now you too?😂( I am not a hater,but a thought)
I guess its a first step, we come long way from Windows RT surface and laptop, Its like two step foward and 1 step back, its so much potential but the price its just not right, but the potential its there, the good battery life, the portability its awesome and for normal users wont care about games this thing would just great, intel amd and even qualcomm need to figure it out before other like mediatek come with a good and cheap solution that would just kill the pentiums, celerons and i3 that cant game anyway good cheap portable and long lasting computing its finally coming soon and we can only be happy about this kind of competition.
Don't blame Microsoft for other companies' apps. I was not able to use some applications on my M1 Pro for the first 3 months, i was on every forum asking developers and company to optimize their app. i didn't blame Apple. three years later, everything works. Let's do the same here.
Its a PC issue not so much qualcomm. To many OEMs with different demands and needs on how they want to power the CPU. Same stuff happens with Intel and AMD cpus.
Not a chance. Many key developer applications don’t work at all. If you don’t believe me, go watch the livestream JustJosh did which is unfiltered and he struggled to get basic apps to download properly and work
How much power a CPU on a Laptop draws has little to do with the power brick that it comes with. Yes, for high end Laptops you can run into issues where your laptop charges slower than it discharges under heavy use, but let's not kid ourselves, even the X1E-84 doesn't do that when you charge your device with a 60W charger. Don't get me wrong -> a higher wattage (and therefore faster) charging ability is nice, but please don't make the argument that it has any bearing on the power of the CPU on these productivity focused devices
If Qualcomm really wants to take away market share from Intel and AMD, they should release a fanless version. There's literally zero Windows laptop right now that is fanless with decent performance. The last time there was was the Matebook X from Huawei all the way from 2017.
I want this for windows, but for God sake why did you keep the same price structure? I wish they would have at least tried to match apple at the low end especially if they arent as powerful.
that display just takes the cake, otherwise this looks like a great option. I don't mind IPS at all, it's great. But if I do get an IPS panel I want 400 nits or nothing.
Hello, yoga Slim 7X X Elite 32GB vs M2 Pro 16GB Iam currently deciding which machine to get but aim kinda unsure. Iam a cs student and software developer and the machine should def be powerful enough for my workload. What would you say?? Ty
@@arnoldokwi You have a source for that? Because these SoCs only have 8 Gen 4 lanes and few of them are already taken by LAN,WIFI and storage. It's unlikely they'll be able to support discreete GPU in their current form.
Clearly, Snapdragon cannot compete against Apple M series laptop. It tries to get some market share from ntel and AMD laptop. However, x86 PC ecosystem is just too large and too important. Many legacy and current hardware devices will not have Snapdragon drivers, and many old and useful software will not have Snapdragon version. If the price is $300-500, some will give it try, just like Google Chrome book. For over $1000, over 95% will go with safe and mature x86 or just get Mac. Pretty sure, we will see fire-sale for these laptops with Snapdragon in this year holiday shopping season.
just bought it today $860 for the Black friday sale and I can admit it is a decent Laptop ....so lets just cut to the chase on this machine Pros - Battery life 26+ hour with steady/constant use - 2.2k screen res is cool, its not Apple or Samsung - it is a rather fast PC but have not put it thru a true test - fan noise is very low Cons - build quality made from recycled ocean plastic - sound quality is not the best, has a very high whisper pitch on the loudest setting - processors could be better especially for the price tag 60hz on a 2.2k screen? id expect more In my opinion, this is a mid-range PC that's packed with a couple "premium" features. It does not compare to a Macbook or some of the more popular PC`s out there. Sound, performance, build quality are really important to me and this PC lacks in a lot of departments and for that I probably will be returning for a refund tmrw LOL I will be either going with a Samsung or ASUS which was my intial choice, would LOVE another Macbook but the price tag is just too steep for the time being
If you live in a browser, use office, discord and watch content then buy it.. If you do other stuff then I'd hold off until apps are a bit more compatible
Snapdragon x elite was massively overhyped. Nothing I've seen so far would make me want one. Waiting for Intel and AMD to show what they are offering. Apple, Intel, and AMD are laughing their asses off.
It is like in the good old Intel Prescot times, when most of your viewers arent born: It is the multiplicator. Edit: a difference performance on the same SOC is a different issue though.
I want to buy a surface 7 laptop with X elite chip, but I am wondering is it capable enough to run a little bit of photoshop and Lightroom not video editing. Plz help, Thanks
There's not really a competition, between Apple and x86 based systems. Most people care about size (not too big, not too heavy), OS (they don't want to switch), battery life (is it "good enough") and so on. They don't care about benchmarks.
This feels like Microsoft is trying the Surface Pro X again, and these laptops are running into a lot of the same issues. This time they're just making their 3rd party manufacturers take the hit. I'll stick to an Intel CPU with a more consistent software experience until ARM and Windows play nice.
The X-Elite, as it stands, is a de facto premium Chromebook. Best for video watching, browsing, office work and light stuff like social media. No one should currently be recommending them for "pro" work or gaming despite the marketing spiel from some. So, as a Chromebook, it is very efficient. Although TomsHardware's report states it is not even revolutionary in the Windows ecosystem, it is better than the current (soon-to-be-updated) Intel by 2-3 hours in light work, not so much on intensive workflows. A good alternative for light work that does not need specific software or driver support for accessories (like printers, scanners, and display meters where they are sadly lacking and unlikely to change). No Google Drive support, and my VPNs do not work at all. But if battery life (or the mediocre AI) is not a big deal, you can buy 2023 Intel/AMD machines with better specs for nearly half the price.
like manty many laptops- no upgrade paths and the options to choose 1 decent 16gb stick and also allow US to add another I would waith looking at mini pc ala AMD raze wih their GPU smaller more prts and needs a monitor you may already, have $15 for a logitech keyobaord on your way. Don't we already have enough mouses in a drawer? Just not a easy solution for >1000 might as wll get a nice case and tablet with ports.
What do you guys think of the HP Omnibook X? Would you buy this?
Xplus have 10 cores
If they bring out a version with a brighter screen, I would.
No. It's an HP
If I was in the market I would opt for the Vivobook S15 or the Surface Laptop. I've had very good experiences with both brands.
No for me. It's an HP, lower tier Snapdragon X Elite CPU, and doesn't have all the app driver to work functionally.
Qualcomm has its time to shine then it proceeds to use a f*cking stupid naming scheme to start it off
it's intended to scam consumer. Look up their mobile line up this year
6s gen 3 is a rebrand of a 695 which is from 2021
8s gen3 = 7+gen3 but overclocked > 7+gen 2> 7 gen 3 > 7 gen 2 > 7s gen 2
they are confusing customer in order to get more money so now company like motorola put 8s gen 3 instead of 8 gen 3 in their flagship motorola edge 50 ultra and normal consumer think it has snapdragon 8 it must be the same as 8 gen 3
scammy company
Just wanted to fit in with the industry standards.
They Should of been like Apple And called it the X1 just like M1
Yeah they should use like Snapdragon x3,5,7,9 instead is messed up naming
The naming scheme is fine. It's probably one of the better ones out there.
Apple figured something out a long time ago. Don't make people have to figure anything out in the store. Offer just a few options with easy to figure out specs. Regular, plus, pro and super pro. That's it. Snapdragon needs to be the same.
That's Qualcomm's plan all along. Expect X Elite Pro or Ultra down the line.
@@ShellymanStudios Pretty ignorant naming scheme, typical of CPU manufacturers in the Windows space ig though. Qualcomm must not understand what the word "Elite" actually means.
On the other hand, there's 2 different variants of almost every base M1, M2 & M3 chip with different core counts.
So there's a limit to how much that can fly when even Apple has to provide "distinction" in their own small way.
@@UnscuffedIoniannah but with apple they have the advantage of being one company. Basically all their chips are better as the numbers go up. M3 is the best than a pro is better than base and a max is better than the pro. Straight forward. Other thing is generally the more you spend the better it is. There are cases where windows laptops are $500 more than another one but less powerful or just worse.
@@justinweinstein22 I don't think I'm making my point very well. There's the;
M3 with 8 CPU cores, 8 GPU cores
M3 with 8 CPU cores, 10 GPU cores
M3 Pro with 11 CPU cores, 14 GPU cores
M3 Pro with 12 CPU cores, 18 GPU cores
M3 Max with 14 CPU cores, 30 GPU cores
M3 Max with 16 CPU cores, 40 GPU cores
It's equally a mess, but less so than whatever Qualcomm is smoking
Somehow Qualcomm has created a more ambiguous naming scheme for their products than Intel and AMD😂
It doesn't matter. 90% of all buyers of these units will not care what CPU is inside.
@@akyhnelmao, they will not be aware of the trash cpu
@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 Well, it's not trash, so...
@@akyhne They are worse than x86 chips in every work flow but casual work. The Apple M laptops are the only ARM computers that can pull off high-performance tasks.
@@LEMKINADE Of course they are worse than x86 in many tasks. CISC architecture is superior to RISC, so for complicated tasks x86 will beat any RISC chip.
But it's still early days for software for the Snapdragon X. M1 had a rough start too. That's the whole reason why Apple took so long to release a tower M based computer.
it annoys me that the "snapdragon x elite" actually has 4 different versions, like how tf am I suppose to know which one this snapdragon x elite laptop has?
Yep, most companies aren't very forthcoming about those details in their product pages either. Just a general name and no specific part number.
@@PastafarianLemurI think because it doesn’t matter much. Like how Apple has multiple M3 variants with different GPU cores. At the end of the day, it will still perform well.
Should have pro plus ultra ... though over used those names kinda help
@@d24Apple has a simple naming style & doesn't have number😅
@Liatin1 you look at the spec sheet, like always. This isn't a new problem here, even before you had laptops that just said Intel Core i5 and nothing else, and then you had to dig into the specs to check the model number.
Wait six months is my bet. People forget how rough around the edges the 13inch M1 MacBook Pro and MacBook Air were when they first launched.
the difference is apple developer support and the dedication to create software for ARM. We're still about to see that on the Windows platform.
Yeah, in 6 months nobody will be interested in Snapdragon anymore. Having seen a few reviews, the chip seems ok, but is it not a huge difference to the good x86 ones and it is actually Microsoft doing the damage here with the power management configuration options(or lack of).
Umm, no they weren't. They were actually extremely good out of the box. I bought it and am still loving it for all my audio production work.
My wife still uses an M1 MBA. It is great. And it was good at launch too. But so is the X Elite. Neither of them were bad, but Apple was missing quite a few native ARM apps, but 99% of people on a MBA would never notice niche pro apps missing. Same for the X Elite, as long as your browser and MS office are snappy and glitch free, most thin and light users won’t notice either.
Idk, Rosetta 2 was great on the M1 chips and later.
lol your mic kept dropping, caught my eyes the whole time
LOL ya sorry about that. I need to tighten it up
@@MatthewMoniz nah it's totally fine, just found it funny and it gave me a bit of laugh, whole video is still rock solid.
i noticed too !!
@@MatthewMonizthat's what she said
The tremendous amount of development Apple has put into media encoders with their native silicon has really paid dividends for them in the creator space. While X Elite is a big step forward for Windows on Arm, there's a LONG way to go before it's competitive with Apple, at least insofar as creator-type productivity.
Remember, most users won't notice the difference. I'm getting the Plus because it'll be enough.
Which laptop are you getting?
It will be better to skip this iteration of snapdragon processors or maybe until this translation app gets close to rosetta level.
Surface Laptop 7: Blue/Plus/512GB. I've been using Surface Pro X SQ1/16GB/256GB for about 4 years as my main pc so I know this will be great for me. Edge, WhatsApp (64-bit), Outlook, MS Todo all run good are the main apps I use it on. TIDAL (32-Bit) is sluggish, but music streaming is better on phones, so it will be good to fix that one. I've been waiting for exactly this laptop. Thanks.
@@arhamkhxnwhy do you say that? ARM apps have been trickling out for a few years now. Seems to mean it's already solid except for Gaming and Video editing but these aren't intended for gaming anyway, it's an odd argument and Adobe is working on Premier Pro. But point being if you don't use Adobe apos or Game, which is a lot of people. Why wait?
@@bradavon I own the Surface pro 11 with the Elite chip and I love it
Lmao, the compile times aren't affected by a 2600M/s SSD. And I say that as a developer of codebases that make Firefox look small. The entirety of the codebase + built objects could probably be transferred around in just 3 seconds. If anything IOPS is more important when it comes to storage for large compilation but any SSD should have more than enough IOPS these days.
That's clearly a computational bottleneck. It may be HP's particular settings for the chipset + cooling + more.
Was hilarious. Guy's nuts
Thanks for actually talking about the imperfections in the experience of using ARM + Prism. So many reviewers are singing it's praises, and it's a really promising space, but I *know* the experience is far from seamless, and nobody has been talking about the cracks that show throw
definitely holding out to see what lunar lake and strix point look like before buying any laptop this year
I’ve heard good things about strix point. Lunar lake looks interesting as well
Before pinning the blame on the SSD for the slow compile, perhaps you should confirm it by inspecting the disk usage. Even Task Manager reports disk read/write and utilisation. The full-blown Performance Monitor in Windows reports a lot more values.
Dear youtubers, listen Matthew, listen him good and carefully. Most of the reviewers are not mentioning about Snapdragon x elite variants. If you are going to buy a laptop with snapdragon X1E-78-100 version, be aware of it. That version only provides a tablet like performance.
lol I talk about this right in the beginning of the video and show the chart with the different variants. Dear commenters this isn’t a TikTok video watch the whole thing :P
@@MatthewMonizI think he meant "listen to Matthew" is my guess 😅 and is concerned about how other RUclipsrs aren't talking about it
@@MatthewMoniz as @omara.157 mentioned i just wanted the highlight the importance of being aware of processor variant. That's a vital thing but somehow not underlined enough across youtube and by companies.
Only 2 groups of power users are waiting for the laptop. Windows and Linux users. We hope to use it for programming because of its light weight configuration.
As someone who worked for HP doing Omnibook support back in the early 2000’s,.. its a nice surprise to see them resurrect the Omnibook branding.
Is these were in the 700-800 range I wouldn't mind but they are not cheap and it's gonna take time to start working properly.
that my biggest issue with this chip too, next month AMD will release Strix Point that'll have a way faster CPU, GPU and NPU while being even more efficient and not needing emulation and will be the same price if not cheaper
From what Im hearing Strix point will be the best of X86 we've ever seen. Easy to say because its the latest but its supposed to be special. I hope the hype is real. Should have some in soon!
@@MatthewMoniz from the leaked benchmarks that I've seen, when it's pushed to the max at 54w, the Ryzen 9 370 with 12 cores has a CPU on part with a desktop 7900x and a GPU on par with a 3050 mobile, but the default TDP is at 28w
@@deneguil-1618 I saw a leaked pricing of the AMD Vivobook version and they will be very close in price to the X-Elite with 32GB/2TB for around $1300! Obviously, the AMD will kill the X Elite in every metric probably including battery life.
This laptop is such a beautiful piece of technology. I enjoyed watching your content of reviewing this laptop.
Laptop: HP Omnibook X
Processor: Snapdragon X Elite
Battery life: 27.4 hours
Activity: Watching RUclips
Settings: 150 nits, battery saver & wifi on, 60 hz, background apps off
You hit the nail on the head. It does have MORE storage than all of those other laptops, and it's only $1,199 so a good deal at Best Buy. BUT with no OLED, and a slower SSD, it's best to wait until it goes on a significant sale to justify it.
Hey, I just picked this laptop up for about $700, do you think the price is justifiable?
Thanks for the review!
Fan noise compared to the Intel/AMD predecessor would have been great ... to know how big the improvement is.
I'm really looking forward to more silent laptops.
It’s a massive difference for fan noise. You can watch any of my Intel/amd videos and see sometimes they hit 50dba in performance mode
@@MatthewMoniz good to know, thanks!
The only thing this has shown me is that there is no rush to abandon proper x86 laptops with a 4060/4070, especially given how you can find some with decent panels at comparable or slightly cheaper prices.
Maybe in another generation or two, these will be viable for more than just light use.
i was looking forward to hp's offering, and on the surface it's easy to not catch all the drawbacks, had no idea it had so many drawbacks
Picked it up for 845$ at Best Buy.
Hope it does it’s best
Thanks for these insights. I almost pressed the 'Buy' button for this device yesterday, because I was blinded by the X-Elite sticker.
Good video! Sounds like Windows itself is the weak link in these machines. Still, I see no reasopn to get these, with new Intel and AMD-based laptops coming out soon.
Tx Matt for the valuable advice
Is this the only HP version available or they will have the higher snapdragon x elite chip down the line? I really like this form factor from HP. Their designs have definitely become very slick recently.
They have higher models as well.
Isn't it partly a problem with Davinci optimisation? The M series have been out for a while now. Elite is brand new.
Its possible! But as of right now its not good
The problem is there's not a lot of differentiation available for the vendors, and they want differences to spec it for more quiet or more performance. Apple is all vertically integrated, so they make one decision and it sticks unless the user complains
IntelCoreUltra #IntelArc is FASTER than #Apple #M3 #MacBook Pro in Video Editing.
DaVinchi Resolve Studio 19 is 2.7 times slower than #CapCut.
@@HDRPCHow do you measure that CapCut is faster than DR?
@@akyhne render test H.264 and HEVC footage.
I have RTX 4080 and i am going to do the same test and i will let you know RTX 4080 CapCut vs Davinchi studio 19 public beta.
Well I agree the naming is confusing. If you're not researching thoroughly then you get whatever you get. You deserve it and researching is not just watching RUclips videos and I actually don't use RUclips videos to make any buying decision but that's just me
Serious question: how did you understand that dropped frames in games is due to emulation and not due to other factors, such as simply underpowered video hardware or immature video drivers? Can you describe the process that led to this conclusion?
Matt, OLED on laptops is not a selling point. Unless for gaming, OLED is just a terrible sacrifice just for the tiny bit more blacks you get compared to an LED. 1) Battery runtime: OLED consumes a LOT more power than an LED. 2) Burn ins.
3) screen door effect
@@IvoPavlik PWM flickering.
This is really suprising that thre are no laptops with X Elite and dedicated graphics card. That's such an obvious combo and would solve main performance issues.
This the first time we're getting an ARM fully recognized by Microsoft though. The product is great for a lot of consumers, and the updates will come along as this is where the market is moving.
1200 bucks for a 60hz panel is NASTY NASTY WORK!! Smdh!!! HP wildin AGAIN!! But what’s new. Great video either way homie!!😂😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
lol thanks James!
@@MatthewMoniz I'm just saying bruh! lol
3:40 but we are comparing a beta application that's running great for processors which it was designed for against a processor that just got released
even tho devs at DaVinci probably had x elite engeneering sample or whatever we shouldn't take the beta results that seriously tho
Doesnt matter its whats available now. I can't a non-beta that doesn't exist. Just like I cant show Premiere Pro or After Effects since it was pulled until Adobe releases their ARM version.
IntelCoreUltra #IntelArc is FASTER than #Apple #M3 #MacBook Pro in Video Editing.
DaVinchi Resolve Studio 19 is 2.7 times slower than #CapCut.
Is Qualcomm paying these reviewers to never show battery comparison against a Mac?
At least this guy showed the single core performance, some don't even do that. Its all multicore everywhere..
This is a non sponsored video. I showed everything compared to Mac minus battery life. Only because the program I use for PC laptops are different compared to the Mac. Trying to keep things fair
Toms hardware just released some details about that, they are lower then macbooks but MacBook pros also have a much larger battery than any Qualcomm laptop released so far.
The custom power profiles of each laptop would also make this hard.
@@MatthewMoniz In my opinion it doesn't matter that the program you use to test is the same (I'm assuming you mean program to put some load on the laptop).
It will be a comparison of real world usage between the two. The two ecosystems are designed to run different programs and the users of these systems will use different software to suit their platform best.
Apple’s integration has given them a significant competitive advantage. It has been almost 4 years since the M1 chip, and competitors are still nowhere close.
Since windows and Mac are using arm will it be easier for developers to make their apps available to both platforms
I hope so!
Nope, not how it works at all. Both Apple and Windows have diverging and competing paths for UI frameworks and programming languages (Swift vs dotnet). The CPU arch has zero impact here as it's far removed from app level development and simply a compiler flag.
Mac Is much harder to develop for because you need developers using macs, the architecture is really irrelevant as the other comment said, it's just a compile flag (which most of the times you don't even have to specify). But the hardest thing for multi platform is the testing and bug tracking, it's harder to do both when you have more than one platform, and unless you have a big reason to support both, it's not worth it
Your drooping mic stand was reviewing the laptop for you.
I feel like despite the criticism we give Apple, one thing we can all agree on is that they make the buying process extremely easy and transparent with what configuration and processor option you get. This is something that’s frustrating about PC/chip manufacturers
Yeah, well, you can't name a HP laptop "HP Omnibook Inten Core I9 13980HX Nvidia RTX4070M 64GB DDR5 5400".
I have the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7X, which has a lower power 78E100 chip than the Asus, but the difference in the various benchmark scores are very small.
Sticker guy is happy now! 😂😂
He just bought a HUGE yacht in Kazakistan
Why do you need such long and fixed mic??? I would rather prefer small wireless mic which can be attached to collar of Tshirt
7:34 Congratulations, Sticker Guy!
i feel min brightness for laptops these days should be 500nits, but higher for performance x-elite laptops that can be used outdoors in the sun?
I have been waiting for xps 16 4070 review 😢
6:10 exactly said Matthew..In the Computex 2024 everyone bragged about the AI gimmick which most of the people won't use for day to day life & the most important part got neglected which was Prism emulator.I had the fear that they were gonna mess it up & they did.The whole X elite focus was to bring windows to life with great battery life without losing performance.Battery is there but the emulation sucked.
Hope they are more focused on fixing this .
Yes, in the neverending build-up to release, I always pointed out to the fans bragging about benchmarks that will not be the problem; the emulation layer will. So, as with most changes this big, WOA will need time and patience for early adopters.
Right bro.ARM might be the future but they have a long way to run.
Try out Lenovo Yoga Slim 7X. I think your opinion about the snapdragon laptops will change. Not drastically though but it will be better
I have it here! Working on a review as well
@@MatthewMoniz great
2:05 I think the chart may not be really helpful, as not many people outside of the state experienced "gunshot", or "airbag deployment."
Can you make the ceiling of the chart 100~130?
Right now the slim 7x is hitting the sweet spot for me, hopefully it will come at a lower price than the omnibook here in india
My experience tells me you should skip all HP products.
Hello, could you please recommend a good laptop for me 🙏
I will use it for Data analysis and AI.
Kann ich nicht zustimmen. Sehr gute erfahrung mit HP gemacht
MacBook @@Ais04ii
About the Da Vinci issue, isn't that a software issue? I mean, why would the M3 Air be cruising with it while the X Elite struggling when they are almost the same in performance? It doesn't make sense to me.
IntelCoreUltra #IntelArc is FASTER than #Apple #M3 #MacBook Pro in Video Editing.
DaVinchi Resolve Studio 19 is 2.7 times slower than #CapCut.
Well!!!?? I don't care about if it's slower than Asus zen book or all of that productivity stuff like Adobe and 4k. Just like to hear what a "normal" person can do. Like surf all day, play a little game, music and all that. Without breaking the bank. My laptop now is definitely slower than that pc. Just a normal review. Not that all the other youtubers GRINDING all about every time. Please.
Thank you.
And your Chanel is great by the way 👌
I'm going to wait til Black Friday to see what the real prices of these laptops are. It'll probably take that long to get the bugs out anyway.
Right now the Lenovo is the only compelling option to me. Why ASUS didn't lead with a Zenbook I have no idea.
Linux has had Box64 for a few years. It'll be a matter of time for bugs to be reported for Prism to be reliable.
They should have more than one slot of RAM and not soldered the stick. Can't upgrade it. We also need more software like Norton to support the ARM architecture.
Have you found any Wireless File Transfer apps work on ARM? I wish Google or Samsung would hurry up and release QuickShare for ARM. Although as MS is adding this to File Explorer natively maybe it won't matter.
Idk why ms nearby share isn't compatible with android without third party app.
@@RenpySageWindows Nearby Share and Android Nearby Share are different products. They just used to have the same name. What's the name of the Android app? Thanks.
@@bradavon Link to windows.
@@RenpySageLink to Windows doesn't offer file transfer but thanks.
Most of the people won't even care about their specs(general public). They just go to a store,ask for price, they'll buy it. The rest will have an idea about tech stuff,do their research and get what they want in their budget. In such a scenario,introducing chipset variants with different power levels,naming them with un conventional codes, multiple variants all are gonna make it hard to find the best one for you.snapdragon should seriously consider this,and should name their processors accordingly. Already the market confuses them ,sales people does the same ,now you too?😂( I am not a hater,but a thought)
I guess its a first step, we come long way from Windows RT surface and laptop, Its like two step foward and 1 step back, its so much potential but the price its just not right, but the potential its there, the good battery life, the portability its awesome and for normal users wont care about games this thing would just great, intel amd and even qualcomm need to figure it out before other like mediatek come with a good and cheap solution that would just kill the pentiums, celerons and i3 that cant game anyway good cheap portable and long lasting computing its finally coming soon and we can only be happy about this kind of competition.
Don't blame Microsoft for other companies' apps. I was not able to use some applications on my M1 Pro for the first 3 months, i was on every forum asking developers and company to optimize their app. i didn't blame Apple. three years later, everything works. Let's do the same here.
Qualcomm will be sorry for making this confusion.
Its a PC issue not so much qualcomm. To many OEMs with different demands and needs on how they want to power the CPU. Same stuff happens with Intel and AMD cpus.
Moooom, Qualcomm is Qualcomming again.
For developers do you recommend hopping into the new era of laptops?
Same question
Not a chance. Many key developer applications don’t work at all. If you don’t believe me, go watch the livestream JustJosh did which is unfiltered and he struggled to get basic apps to download properly and work
These laptops aren't good at all for developers due to the x86 compatibility issues and for game developers don't even bother get a laptop with a dGPU
@@adequatequality for now
How much power a CPU on a Laptop draws has little to do with the power brick that it comes with.
Yes, for high end Laptops you can run into issues where your laptop charges slower than it discharges under heavy use, but let's not kid ourselves, even the X1E-84 doesn't do that when you charge your device with a 60W charger.
Don't get me wrong -> a higher wattage (and therefore faster) charging ability is nice, but please don't make the argument that it has any bearing on the power of the CPU on these productivity focused devices
Ive heard Davinci Resolve is not using the GPU of X elite yet
Maybe! but I can only test whats available to me right now and as of right now it needs improvement
Yeah it's not they said hw acceleration is coming
@@Deathdemon65 looking forward to that! Where did they said it? Couldnt find anything in their website. thanks
@@seanedits10 Qualcomm said they still working on the GPU driver optimisations for games and other productivity software
IntelCoreUltra #IntelArc is FASTER than #Apple #M3 #MacBook Pro in Video Editing.
DaVinchi Resolve Studio 19 is 2.7 times slower than #CapCut.
If I'm not mistaken the Snapdragon X Plus should have 10 cores on that table displayed at 44 seconds in.
Thats correct! I was to focused on the speed and forgot to mention that one key difference. Thanks for pointing it out
TBH these videos should have a big advertorial warning watermark written all over the screen. 16GB on W11 should be an immediate red flag.
If Qualcomm really wants to take away market share from Intel and AMD, they should release a fanless version. There's literally zero Windows laptop right now that is fanless with decent performance. The last time there was was the Matebook X from Huawei all the way from 2017.
They should make a m1 competitor l. I know the x plus is a thing but that would be great for students in like a surface pro lol
Your Mic needs some space Matthew!
Not at all. Shure SM7B needs to be right up to your mouth. The closer the better.
What is their performance on battery compared to on charging?
Identical
No performance loss in my Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Pro on BATTERY
I want this for windows, but for God sake why did you keep the same price structure? I wish they would have at least tried to match apple at the low end especially if they arent as powerful.
Need to fix that mic problem you've to adjust it 7 times
that display just takes the cake, otherwise this looks like a great option. I don't mind IPS at all, it's great. But if I do get an IPS panel I want 400 nits or nothing.
IPs is fine.. Would have loved it be slightly brighter and maybe atleast 90hz to compete
@@MatthewMoniz im still using an IPS ultrawide, and an IPS 1080p as a second monitor from 2012. Great colors and brightness.
the CPUs apparanly cost less to make than rivals. The laptops should have been cheaper.
is he playing overwatch with the arrow keys?
Yes, He is left handed, how else would he play? He talked about it before.
@@mehashonhold ahh well i did not know that, never seen a left handed gamer before
Hello,
yoga Slim 7X X Elite 32GB vs M2 Pro 16GB
Iam currently deciding which machine to get but aim kinda unsure. Iam a cs student and software developer and the machine should def be powerful enough for my workload. What would you say??
Ty
Are there any plans for Nvidia or AMD graphics cards to work with these new processors?
Yes, Qualcomm confirm this but its unknown the manufacturers will apply them because they should but in the end of the day, we buy their products
@@arnoldokwi You have a source for that? Because these SoCs only have 8 Gen 4 lanes and few of them are already taken by LAN,WIFI and storage.
It's unlikely they'll be able to support discreete GPU in their current form.
A representative from Qualcomm confirmed, they would support discrete graphics.
So no source and while that'll be technically feasible that won't be applicable for real use case scenarios given the current specs.
@@MNaka-uf9yz We aren't your daddy. Maybe do a little work yourself?!
Clearly, Snapdragon cannot compete against Apple M series laptop. It tries to get some market share from ntel and AMD laptop. However, x86 PC ecosystem is just too large and too important. Many legacy and current hardware devices will not have Snapdragon drivers, and many old and useful software will not have Snapdragon version. If the price is $300-500, some will give it try, just like Google Chrome book. For over $1000, over 95% will go with safe and mature x86 or just get Mac. Pretty sure, we will see fire-sale for these laptops with Snapdragon in this year holiday shopping season.
The most I hate on my laptop is Coil Whine, I just hate it!
Cinebench R24 is not yet native ARM right?
It is native on ARM
just bought it today $860 for the Black friday sale and I can admit it is a decent Laptop ....so lets just cut to the chase on this machine
Pros - Battery life 26+ hour with steady/constant use
- 2.2k screen res is cool, its not Apple or Samsung
- it is a rather fast PC but have not put it thru a true test
- fan noise is very low
Cons - build quality made from recycled ocean plastic
- sound quality is not the best, has a very high whisper pitch on the loudest setting
- processors could be better especially for the price tag 60hz on a 2.2k screen? id expect more
In my opinion, this is a mid-range PC that's packed with a couple "premium" features. It does not compare to a Macbook or some of the more popular PC`s out there. Sound, performance, build quality are really important to me and this PC lacks in a lot of departments and for that I probably will be returning for a refund tmrw LOL I will be either going with a Samsung or ASUS which was my intial choice, would LOVE another Macbook but the price tag is just too steep for the time being
is worth it to get one this year or wait for the stable software?
If you live in a browser, use office, discord and watch content then buy it.. If you do other stuff then I'd hold off until apps are a bit more compatible
recommed waiting for Intel Lunar Lake unless you are in a rush
1:09 that's still better than surfaces 30w charger 💀
Funny enough Surface Pro still runs faster... Video coming soon
Snapdragon x elite was massively overhyped. Nothing I've seen so far would make me want one. Waiting for Intel and AMD to show what they are offering. Apple, Intel, and AMD are laughing their asses off.
You could buy HP OmniBook X (X Plus) 16G/512G in BestBuy by USD$549 (Jan-13-2025).
It is like in the good old Intel Prescot times, when most of your viewers arent born:
It is the multiplicator.
Edit: a difference performance on the same SOC is a different issue though.
I want to buy a surface 7 laptop with X elite chip, but I am wondering is it capable enough to run a little bit of photoshop and Lightroom not video editing. Plz help, Thanks
Still do not understand the hype about snapdragon elite because the M chips are better
Just wait till they are coaxed into a corner (Qualcomm) and are forced to compete with the Mac Pro instead of just the Air
There's not really a competition, between Apple and x86 based systems. Most people care about size (not too big, not too heavy), OS (they don't want to switch), battery life (is it "good enough") and so on. They don't care about benchmarks.
"More faster" isn't even a thing, dad. 😋
I don’t script so sometimes I use filler words that don’t make sense grammatically. It is what it is
@@MatthewMoniz No worries, it was meant tongue-in-cheek. 😉Thanks for getting back to me nonetheless, love your videos. 😊👍
Is the RAM swappable??? Why didn't you mention it?
None of the snapdragon laptops have swappable RAM. I also show the internals where you can see the soldered memory.
For about 600~650 it makes sense, but not at this price.
Thats a little low. Id say $899-$949
Is this capable of handling ai ml tasks? I want to build projects in ai ml for my college
Why the hell would anyone buy something like this instead of getting a MacBook and using windows on that?
This feels like Microsoft is trying the Surface Pro X again, and these laptops are running into a lot of the same issues. This time they're just making their 3rd party manufacturers take the hit. I'll stick to an Intel CPU with a more consistent software experience until ARM and Windows play nice.
IntelCoreUltra #IntelArc is FASTER than #Apple #M3 #MacBook Pro in Video Editing.
DaVinchi Resolve Studio 19 is 2.7 times slower than #CapCut.
Do you know why there is such a difference with davinci resolve?
The X-Elite, as it stands, is a de facto premium Chromebook. Best for video watching, browsing, office work and light stuff like social media. No one should currently be recommending them for "pro" work or gaming despite the marketing spiel from some.
So, as a Chromebook, it is very efficient. Although TomsHardware's report states it is not even revolutionary in the Windows ecosystem, it is better than the current (soon-to-be-updated) Intel by 2-3 hours in light work, not so much on intensive workflows.
A good alternative for light work that does not need specific software or driver support for accessories (like printers, scanners, and display meters where they are sadly lacking and unlikely to change). No Google Drive support, and my VPNs do not work at all. But if battery life (or the mediocre AI) is not a big deal, you can buy 2023 Intel/AMD machines with better specs for nearly half the price.
like manty many laptops- no upgrade paths and the options to choose 1 decent 16gb stick and also allow US to add another I would waith looking at mini pc ala AMD raze wih their GPU smaller more prts and needs a monitor you may already, have $15 for a logitech keyobaord on your way. Don't we already have enough mouses in a drawer? Just not a easy solution for >1000 might as wll get a nice case and tablet with ports.