Many of you have asked about eGPUs - I did try to get one working on here but there are currently no drivers available (at least on the Nvidia side). The GPU was recognized in the device manager but I was not able to get it working.
These ARM chips look great for the 95% of people (not your viewership necessarily) that just want a laptop that’ll last a lot longer than Intel and AMD for everyday use.
Ha. What an irony. Longevity is the thing I most worry about these Qualcomm ARM PC's. Remember when Google's Pixel used Qualcomm chips and they only provided 3 years of support citing that Qualcomm don't support their chips after that anyway? How long will Qualcomm support their chipsets for PC's? Do we have any guaranteed period?
@@Dave102693 Mediatek would be even worse on support, all they're good for is price/performance ratio. IMO if you absolutely need Windows and long battery life in a thin & light package, get the Snapdragon X and upgrade within 3 years, as the first gen of anything is always problematic. Otherwise get a x86 laptop along with a high output power bank. Or a Mac if you don't need Windows.
@@typingcatsomewhere was claimed that there would be open source drivers for Linux. If that's the case then support will be good for virtually any running os as anyone could do the drivers. Note: I have not verified this claim from any source. Just what I read somewhere.
@@jothain Yeah, I had heard in person from a software engineer who worked at a famous smartphone manufacturer. He said that Qualcomm's source code sucked. Very difficult to understand/use. Ugly code.
@@RoastBeefSandwich ChromeOS is also more than just a browser now, but you will have to find your alternatives in Android on Linux apps if you don't want to use something that is web based.
Thanks for thanking LonBall. He’s a Mets fan and doesn’t get much love these days. The Mets are poor. Nobody thanks him for his fanhood outside of the owner.
I am a bit interested to see how the ARM on Windows thing develops, even as a Mac guy. I don't have a use case for one of these but I am interested to see how the ARM thing develops. Thanks for the video, Lon!
I was kinda hoping that ARM based will cost around ~$600, on par with $800~$1k Intel Core i5. If the price is too close, people wil keep choosing x86/x64, unless they really need the battery.
Issue with these laptops is that performance varies greatly depending on what power profile Windows is running on. More disturbing is that those power profiles are not dynamic and have to be set by the user. So if the laptop was set to "efficiency", performance takes a huge hit. So for average users who don't mess with power profiles and just use the laptop as was set by the manufacturer the performance is not consistent with other laptops using the same chips.
Till I can get some decent Linux distro options, and models with upgradable RAM, then I'm going to avoid them, and stick with X86 Intel and AMD based machines.
Once I discovered how polished Linux is I don’t use Windows as my daily machine. I have a Windows 7 laptop that I refuse to upgrade to Windows 10 or 11. I use Linux Mint as my daily driver.
hey lon i've only seen the battery life that is praised on these laptops tested with lighter loads like internet browsing and document procesing, but not with heavier ones like gaming, 3d modeling, video editing, game development and also that at the same time as lighter ones like checking a tutorial on the internet while using blender which is the standard way people work with these i feel, could you test out battery life with heavy loads on these on upcoming videos?
I am surprised about the USB4 connectivity issue, and like you say is probably a firmware issue. Since Microsoft updated the SQ3 arm-based Windows Dev Kit 2023 firmware to support the USB4 surface dock, I've been able to connect and use my TB3 and TB4 SSDs, though not at the full 40 Gbps. I run Ubuntu 22.04 on my arm PC using WSL2. That also supports graphics hardware acceleration. Many of the well-known Linux apps and games have already been cross compiled for arm64.
As per some other reviews on youtube, this hp laptop performs poorly when on battery. Is that true, and is the reason because of some software settings to bring it to power savings mode on battery or something like that?
I don't understand why someone would wanna buy this for gaming. this is for ppl who wants long battery life on a laptop to do work or casual stuff. if u wanna game, get a proper gaming machine. but the thing is, this thing cost so much, so it should be able to do whatever its competitor can.
I would still have Intel due to their durability and sustained loads. Not hyped about all AI in my business and chip, unless it was at minimum Apple soc, but hate MacOS common sense nonsense ! Wish we stayed at classic windows without ads or new privacy concerns
I’m assuming that with the flaky behavior with thunderbolt that an external GPU is out of the question? Would be great for software dev and occasional gaming if they could figure that out.
Totally agree with this review. Why would you pay for something that is not 100% windows compatible just yet? Maybe in a year or two it will get better, but right now you are paying to be a beta tester.
Get Yoga Slim 7X. It overall just better. Due to oled it lasts 12 hour as compared to 15 hours on omnibook with Macbook air between them. The MBP leading with 18 hours of battery life.
Qualcomm has done impressive work with the CPU ARM chip design, but I don't understand why they continue to add these crap stick labels. In general, ARM is extremely power efficient. 👍🏼
For web browsing, this looks ok. But i cant understand why these are more expensive than x86-64 laptops because i saw somewhere these chips are way cheaper than intel.
I love the honesty you give us. I can tell you feel an obligation to get people the best information with your platform. HP has been my enemy since instant ink came out!
Can i run VM machines successfully with no crash as long i keep the resources available for host, as a student learning microsoft administation basics?
surely this is gonna push amd and intel to arm now, which i hate very much because it's a monopoly on top of a duopoly. is there a chance for risc-v to be good enough for amd and intel?
Thanks for the review Lon, this architecture is a pass. After seeing many reviews and then seeing a story on semi accurate; I would rather spend my money on an Intel or AMD.
i will never support ARM again after getting a surface rt laptop only after 6-7 years of it being released windows 8 shuts down and the ARM processor cannot install windows 10. to make this even worse this is HP i had audio,NVME, and a whole pc die on me months after warranty. my last and final purchase from HP was a dud nvme 1T.
As expected, and as they did in the past, they are trying to charge a price premium for Arm version and these devices are way overpriced. I own 2 of the earlier snapdragon laptops and they were ok, but very overpriced. On the software side, most applications are mainly a bunch of OS calls, so not having ARM natively versions means the publishers could not be bothered to add ARM as a target and recompiled their code. Maybe games and video editors are more complicated, but 95% of the apps out there should require very little "porting". Regarding anything leveraging th e GPU, these devices share memory, and many games assume a discrete GPU with its own memory. Drivers are the achilles heel still for these devices, with sub-par eGPU drivers for the ARM GPU's IMO. I like WOA, but think I will wait another generation until the snapdragon exclusivity agreement dies to consider "upgrading" my beloved Lenovo C635 WOA laptop.
Apparently that's not true - Qualcomm makes a pittance on these laptop cpus, according to a message about the bom of another model. The idea here is to offer a premium all metal cnc aluminum build like a macbook which adds to the cost. The market right now is flooded with failed products from 1, 2, and even 3 years ago being sold at a loss ...
It hasn't been released yet thankfully Microsoft responded to the backlash but obviously it's a concern that someday they might release it and go back to making it opt out instead of opt-in et... It's a shame too We finally have these excellent efficient chips on Windows laptops and they have to go spoil it with their ridiculous telemetry and b*******.
I don't know what you would replace the OS with as there aren't very many Linux distros that work on these ARM chips, and the very few that do don't work well, as most ARM based distros have focused on single board computers like Raspberry Pis. I would just avoid these for a few years till Linux gets optimized for them, and we get options that have upgradable RAM.
HP, THAT IS DISRESPECT TO CONSUMER, $1200 LAPTOP WITH IPS SCREEN 2.2k RES. ASUS ZENBOOK 14X HAS OLED DISPLAY 2.8K RESOLUTION & IT COSTS $899 $300 LESS THAN HP
I’m not impressed with these yet. The bs marketing that they did and all the promises they made haven’t turned out to be true so far so idk. What happened to your Apple Watch screen lon! Looks like it’s been through a wood chipper 😂 😂 😂
Investing in Nvidia is compelling due to its strong profitability, reflected in a favorable P/E ratio compared to industry peers, and an attractive forward P/E ratio. With anticipated strong August earnings Forward P/E is 54 Actual P/e (expecting a earnings beat) should be 45
Many of you have asked about eGPUs - I did try to get one working on here but there are currently no drivers available (at least on the Nvidia side). The GPU was recognized in the device manager but I was not able to get it working.
These ARM chips look great for the 95% of people (not your viewership necessarily) that just want a laptop that’ll last a lot longer than Intel and AMD for everyday use.
Ha. What an irony. Longevity is the thing I most worry about these Qualcomm ARM PC's. Remember when Google's Pixel used Qualcomm chips and they only provided 3 years of support citing that Qualcomm don't support their chips after that anyway? How long will Qualcomm support their chipsets for PC's? Do we have any guaranteed period?
@@typingcat that’s why I’m waiting for an Mediatek and AMD arm chips
@@Dave102693 Mediatek would be even worse on support, all they're good for is price/performance ratio. IMO if you absolutely need Windows and long battery life in a thin & light package, get the Snapdragon X and upgrade within 3 years, as the first gen of anything is always problematic. Otherwise get a x86 laptop along with a high output power bank. Or a Mac if you don't need Windows.
@@typingcatsomewhere was claimed that there would be open source drivers for Linux. If that's the case then support will be good for virtually any running os as anyone could do the drivers. Note: I have not verified this claim from any source. Just what I read somewhere.
@@jothain Yeah, I had heard in person from a software engineer who worked at a famous smartphone manufacturer. He said that Qualcomm's source code sucked. Very difficult to understand/use. Ugly code.
What a nice no nonsense review, well done!
The more I look at Windows 11 products. The more I consider going to Linux/Chrome OS.
As long as the software you need is available for Linux or if you only need a browser a la ChromeOS, knock yourself out.
Linux has gotten really good in recent years. You can try it out without blowing away without your install.
Windows 11 can be wrangled in to make it usable without all the intrusiveness but Windows 12 you won't be able to escape the AI privacy invasion.
@@RoastBeefSandwich how do you still think that chromeos is just a browser in 2024? a lot has changed you know.
@@RoastBeefSandwich ChromeOS is also more than just a browser now, but you will have to find your alternatives in Android on Linux apps if you don't want to use something that is web based.
An ok 300 nit display for a $700 machine. Unacceptable for a $1200 machines.
Fully agree. When a 200$ Amazon fire 11 has a better screen, that's not good.
Especially when HP has laptops with an 8840 and oled display for $800.
I think the point is to beat the macbook air 16gb by a few hundred dollars and it probably does ...
Great review and content. Very professional. Thanks!
I have a ThinkPad coming with the same chipset. A new T14s something like $1900. Glad I didn't pay for it.
I saw that Thinkpad at an event last week. It's nice - good deal you're getting there :)
Great video and thank you for trying the Linux
Thanks for posting this video
Thanks for thanking LonBall. He’s a Mets fan and doesn’t get much love these days. The Mets are poor. Nobody thanks him for his fanhood outside of the owner.
I am a bit interested to see how the ARM on Windows thing develops, even as a Mac guy. I don't have a use case for one of these but I am interested to see how the ARM thing develops. Thanks for the video, Lon!
I was kinda hoping that ARM based will cost around ~$600, on par with $800~$1k Intel Core i5.
If the price is too close, people wil keep choosing x86/x64, unless they really need the battery.
Indeed: 1200 - 2000 USD / EUR is niche market. For hardcore users, and I doubt they will switch to ARM easily
Issue with these laptops is that performance varies greatly depending on what power profile Windows is running on. More disturbing is that those power profiles are not dynamic and have to be set by the user. So if the laptop was set to "efficiency", performance takes a huge hit. So for average users who don't mess with power profiles and just use the laptop as was set by the manufacturer the performance is not consistent with other laptops using the same chips.
I completely agree the amazing thing about the Macbooks is that they're responsive and there are no power profiles!
Till I can get some decent Linux distro options, and models with upgradable RAM, then I'm going to avoid them, and stick with X86 Intel and AMD based machines.
Is it worth it to wait and see if games will become compatible? I just want to play SIMS and minecraft now im scared.
Once I discovered how polished Linux is I don’t use Windows as my daily machine. I have a Windows 7 laptop that I refuse to upgrade to Windows 10 or 11.
I use Linux Mint as my daily driver.
Laptop: HP Omnibook X
Processor: Snapdragon X Elite
Battery life: 27.4 hours
Activity: Watching RUclips
Settings: 150 nits, battery saver & wifi on, 60 hz, background apps off
I wonder if WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) would run on it? Should be interesting times.
It does!
hey lon i've only seen the battery life that is praised on these laptops tested with lighter loads like internet browsing and document procesing, but not with heavier ones like gaming, 3d modeling, video editing, game development and also that at the same time as lighter ones like checking a tutorial on the internet while using blender which is the standard way people work with these i feel, could you test out battery life with heavy loads on these on upcoming videos?
Lonball, my product came with one copilot that works for Delta and his copilot is Clippy.
I am surprised about the USB4 connectivity issue, and like you say is probably a firmware issue. Since Microsoft updated the SQ3 arm-based Windows Dev Kit 2023 firmware to support the USB4 surface dock, I've been able to connect and use my TB3 and TB4 SSDs, though not at the full 40 Gbps. I run Ubuntu 22.04 on my arm PC using WSL2. That also supports graphics hardware acceleration. Many of the well-known Linux apps and games have already been cross compiled for arm64.
How's the linux support in this laptop? Would to love buy one of these ARM based laptops and install a supported linux distro..
Not yet ready. Search for "Upstreaming Linux kernel support for the Snapdragon X Elite".
Someone already said it best. These are Windows Chromebooks. Way too overhyped. I'll wait for AMD and Intels' next releases.
And Macbooks are MacOS Chromebooks ? :D
@@sarunas8002macbooks have always been apple chromebooks
Thank you for trying to get Linux on this.
I’d put Arch on it.
As per some other reviews on youtube, this hp laptop performs poorly when on battery. Is that true, and is the reason because of some software settings to bring it to power savings mode on battery or something like that?
You need Linux 6.10 or newer to get a distro working on that laptop. Ubuntu uses 6.8 if I remember correctly. Try Fedora
Great review. Looks like a productivity powerhouse. Gaming machine, not so much.
Support for this CPU in the Linux kernel is promised in version 6.11 which is likely to be released close to the end of this year.
I don't understand why someone would wanna buy this for gaming. this is for ppl who wants long battery life on a laptop to do work or casual stuff. if u wanna game, get a proper gaming machine. but the thing is, this thing cost so much, so it should be able to do whatever its competitor can.
Qualcomm did a lot of marketing, saying that nearly all games would work out of the box, which is false.
16:18 Hi guys. Any change / update on this topic ? Can be linux now installed on x Elite units ?
Hi, any update with linux running of this thing ?
I would still have Intel due to their durability and sustained loads. Not hyped about all AI in my business and chip, unless it was at minimum Apple soc, but hate MacOS common sense nonsense ! Wish we stayed at classic windows without ads or new privacy concerns
Except the latest Intel chips literally don't work and Intel can't find the problem. Its AMD or nothing at all now!
I’m assuming that with the flaky behavior with thunderbolt that an external GPU is out of the question? Would be great for software dev and occasional gaming if they could figure that out.
Tried it but unfortunately no drivers available.
Or developers could actually use the onboard gpus of cpus for once
@@Dave102693?? Weird request for something that already happens on a daily basis
I think you should use smth with newer kernel, like 6.10 or 6.11 when it comes to linux
Totally agree with this review. Why would you pay for something that is not 100% windows compatible just yet? Maybe in a year or two it will get better, but right now you are paying to be a beta tester.
I'd get the Surface Laptop 7 versus this, TBH.
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Get Yoga Slim 7X. It overall just better.
Due to oled it lasts 12 hour as compared to 15 hours on omnibook with Macbook air between them.
The MBP leading with 18 hours of battery life.
Gen2 is hopefully when they get all the driver and incompatibilities worked out.
Reminds me of the reverse problem, I had with intel based android tablets…..
Qualcomm has done impressive work with the CPU ARM chip design, but I don't understand why they continue to add these crap stick labels. In general, ARM is extremely power efficient. 👍🏼
Why would they even think to launch them without linux support ?
For web browsing, this looks ok. But i cant understand why these are more expensive than x86-64 laptops because i saw somewhere these chips are way cheaper than intel.
Premium build quality to match the macbook air and pro.
@@dgillies5420 So same chassis but x86 laptops should be more expensive right? Are they?
I love the honesty you give us. I can tell you feel an obligation to get people the best information with your platform. HP has been my enemy since instant ink came out!
Can i run VM machines successfully with no crash as long i keep the resources available for host, as a student learning microsoft administation basics?
I don't recommend it - when the m1 Macs were released VMs hardly worked ever. It took more than one year for virtual machine support to work well.
@@dgillies5420 thank you i will wait moving to arm. Meanwhile i’ll stay with intel or amd untill it is matured.
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
Lon, I think you did AMD dirty by using only the Steam Deck.
surely this is gonna push amd and intel to arm now, which i hate very much because it's a monopoly on top of a duopoly. is there a chance for risc-v to be good enough for amd and intel?
man Lon i love ya and all but you gotta use more descriptive and varied adjectives than just 'nice'...im afraid it loses meaning if everything is nice
If these are snapdragon elite x, then what is Microsoft Snapdragon elite x Plus about ?
It's snapdragon x plus (10 core) and snapdragon X elite (12 core). Snapdragon X elite plus doesn't exist.
Please test eGPU
Thanks for the review Lon, this architecture is a pass. After seeing many reviews and then seeing a story on semi accurate; I would rather spend my money on an Intel or AMD.
Snapdragon X 👑😍🚀
i will never support ARM again after getting a surface rt laptop only after 6-7 years of it being released windows 8 shuts down and the ARM processor cannot install windows 10. to make this even worse this is HP i had audio,NVME, and a whole pc die on me months after warranty. my last and final purchase from HP was a dud nvme 1T.
only 3 usb
No HDMI port?
The USB-C ports are full service as noted
love the model hate the sticker 😂
I just need this (chip) to work with linux without any issues.
As expected, and as they did in the past, they are trying to charge a price premium for Arm version and these devices are way overpriced. I own 2 of the earlier snapdragon laptops and they were ok, but very overpriced. On the software side, most applications are mainly a bunch of OS calls, so not having ARM natively versions means the publishers could not be bothered to add ARM as a target and recompiled their code. Maybe games and video editors are more complicated, but 95% of the apps out there should require very little "porting". Regarding anything leveraging th e GPU, these devices share memory, and many games assume a discrete GPU with its own memory. Drivers are the achilles heel still for these devices, with sub-par eGPU drivers for the ARM GPU's IMO. I like WOA, but think I will wait another generation until the snapdragon exclusivity agreement dies to consider "upgrading" my beloved Lenovo C635 WOA laptop.
Apparently that's not true - Qualcomm makes a pittance on these laptop cpus, according to a message about the bom of another model. The idea here is to offer a premium all metal cnc aluminum build like a macbook which adds to the cost. The market right now is flooded with failed products from 1, 2, and even 3 years ago being sold at a loss ...
Does it run Linux ?
no
crossing fingers for linux supprt
As I have zero interest in games and so not bothered if I cannot play games
Every M-series MacBook Air is better for less $$$.
Linux will be available in a year
doubt it
AI chip? First thing i'd do would be to remove windows 11 with recall (spyware).
It hasn't been released yet thankfully Microsoft responded to the backlash but obviously it's a concern that someday they might release it and go back to making it opt out instead of opt-in et... It's a shame too We finally have these excellent efficient chips on Windows laptops and they have to go spoil it with their ridiculous telemetry and b*******.
I don't know what you would replace the OS with as there aren't very many Linux distros that work on these ARM chips, and the very few that do don't work well, as most ARM based distros have focused on single board computers like Raspberry Pis. I would just avoid these for a few years till Linux gets optimized for them, and we get options that have upgradable RAM.
@michaelcorcoran8768 I'm not sure I trust that Microsoft isn't still running it only that you can not interact with it.
HP, THAT IS DISRESPECT TO CONSUMER, $1200 LAPTOP WITH IPS SCREEN 2.2k RES.
ASUS ZENBOOK 14X HAS OLED DISPLAY 2.8K RESOLUTION & IT COSTS $899
$300 LESS THAN HP
This is good for kids because games will be blocked at the processor-level, and they'll only be able to use the web browser & productivity software.
$1100 for a youtube and browser machine full of ads. Good job.
As a parent whose kids were screwed by RUclips on Chromebooks, I'm afraid that's not enough - i wish it were!
I’m not impressed with these yet. The bs marketing that they did and all the promises they made haven’t turned out to be true so far so idk. What happened to your Apple Watch screen lon! Looks like it’s been through a wood chipper 😂 😂 😂
Another failed and overpriced initiatived from Microsoft, hopefully the linux community takes over.
Investing in Nvidia is compelling due to its strong profitability, reflected in a favorable P/E ratio compared to industry peers, and an attractive forward P/E ratio. With anticipated strong August earnings
Forward P/E is 54
Actual P/e (expecting a earnings beat) should be 45
Snapdragon x elite ia better than m4
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤❤