For everyone asking WHERE to buy Used Business Class Laptops. It depends on your country. eBay, electronics recyclers, Facebook marketplace, and computer repair shops are the best bet. If you don't have access to those then I don't know what to tell you :( Also editing this because I forgot to mention in the video: A lot of these laptops will STILL be under manufacturer warranty. The T16 is under warranty for another 24 months and you can grab these for like $500 on eBay. It's insane
I got a used business laptop but the battery dies really quickly even when only browsing. ~ 2 hours at best The display was really good but the integrated graphics literally cant keep up with the resolution.
@@randomspaceman3732 Unfortunately one of the few drawbacks. But the good news is you can usually find genuine batteries for business-class laptops like these. I should've mentioned that in the video
I did just that last year. Bought a refurbished Thinkpad T480s, and despite asking it to do things it wasn't intended to do, it has never broken down on me. Highly recommended
Same. I bought a T480 for $150 and upgraded it by changing thermal paste with Arctic MX-6, upgrading the RAM to 32GB and swapped the small 24Wh battery with the larger 72Wh one. I choose regular T480 over T480s because I really love laptops with swappable battery
Another thing about these business-class laptops is that they tend to be sold with rather extensive service contracts-- typically 3 years with on-site service. So, if these break too often, Dell/Lenovo/HP would need to spend money sending someone out to the client's office to repair it. As such, it would made no sense to cheap out on build quality.
Can fully agree we only buy with extended warranty for 3 years with on-site service. Really motivates the manufacturer to produce better hardware (except for fujitsu which needed to send someone 3 times this year, basically equaling a whole laptop in costs).
We do the same for laptops with extended onsite warranty. HP has really gone down hill in terms of service with their third party service. Lenovo still seems good for their onsite services.
A friend gave me a T14, and I gave it to my daughter's robotics team. It's been running like a champ. They did hand it back to me with a "fan issue" and it wouldn't boot. I took it apart, had to take the fan and heat pipes off, and just looking at the fan, which spun easily with my hand. It wasn't until I looked down that I found a screw sitting where the fan used to be. It didn't come from the computer, some sneaky robot put it there. Put in new thermal paste, and it's still running like a champ.
11:11 Hey thanks! When it comes to gaming laptops, there are definitely great deals on used/open box models to be had, but yeah the problem seems to be they just age quicker due to games improving and new GPUs coming out every other year. For regular people doing normal stuff though it's way less of a problem. Hopefully designs like the Framework 16 with removable and upgradeable GPU get more popular. I know there's something new coming in that space next year, but can't talk about it just yet.
Of course man, you're the go to! Appreciate you watching my video. Thanks for doing what you do. Open box is always a steal, brand new without the brand new price! I genuinely hope Framework takes over the world, or at least forces other companies to take upgradeable GPU's seriously. their mission is admirable. Can't wait to finally see one in person at CES. Your last sentence intrigues me 🤐💻👀
@@SalemTechspertsregarding his last sentece: Tongfang released a thinner gaming laptop with swappable GPU about two weeks ago for the Chinese market. Looks good. He may mean that one. Or something else entirely. We'll see.
Typing this comment on a T440 (running Linux) that I literally pulled out of an e-waste dumpster 2 years ago. New thermal paste, some gooch removal and general TLC as well as two batteries later, and it's still going strong. Plenty enough for browsing, email and some wireless shenanigans. Love this machine. And all I paid was like 90 bucks for the new batteries and a charger. A small RAM upgrade and the thermal paste came from my parts bin so I consider them free. Not bad for a perfectly usable light duty workhorse.
Same with cars. I had 80K to splurge on a car. I could have gotten a new anything but I chose a used Volvo. And I LOVE IT. Only spent $23K. By smarter with your money, people.
Yep. I love my old BMWs, got a million km worth in the driveway, a meh POS bought new a decade and a half ago that would have been junked by now would prob have cost me more in depreciation alone than my whole fleet has. My 540i could blow up tomorrow and I'd still be smiling as the towie carted it away. I don't give a f what people think, cheap pleasure is still pleasure
@@greebj You got that right. Old BMW's are the poor mans luxury car. My E90 has been kicking it for years, and I beat the snot out of it. Ballin on a budget yo!
My wife asked me to find a new laptop for my mother in law, so I figured that I'd scroll through your videos to find what business grade laptops you'd suggest. Then I find out that this video just came out! The greatest RUclipsr that ever lived. Thank you.
Bought a Dell Latitude 7490 off a private seller in FB. Stellar reliability and workhorse than my previous junk HP pavilion. However the battery died in one month and spent 60$ to buy an OEM from Dell. So YMMV buying used but I plan to keep the laptop till it dies so might be a good ROI.
Interrogate her first to find out what she NEEDS. Ask about screen size and numpad specifically, battery life, etc. Older people tend to love larger screens
@@laxminarayananks1520 Yeah always assume you need to replace the battery, most sellers will specifically state whether the battery is guaranteed or not
@@SalemTechsperts Yup. I've been taking notes from your vids. :) She needs it for surfing, emails, and banking. Right now, I'm looking at a Latitude 3590 with its 15.6" screen. I can't find any P or T series Thinkpads locally. More research will be done!
I miss working at an electronics recycling center. They used to hand me my paycheck, and i would hand it back to them and buy all sorts of servers workstations and business class laptops. (Fujitsu are my favorite)
@@ΓερασιμοςΔημοπουλους Fujitsu laptops don't die. they just get louder. I still have an archaic life book B series that got me through college and I said I would recycle when it died. except it never died
Hey Andy, I currently have an Acer Nitro 5 that I got from my brother that wouldn't boot. Your videos, made me open the gaming laptop and fix it. I ended up fixing: 1. Ticking noise from the fan and overheating (the repair shop we have send the laptop in the past scammed us and replaced the blower fan with an incompatible one that was not only shorter, but it was leaking air everywhere) 2. Repaste 3. A bricked sata m2 ssd that had the integrated graphics removed from device manager (I did a format) 4. A broken mx key in the keyboard (used some glue to) 5. I glued a crack in the case 6. I identified and removed the RAM stick whose slot was causing the computer to crash and shut down and upgraded the RAM 7. I tied and fixed the loose trackpad 8. I reset the bios that was bricked 9. I cleaned and removed debris from the mobo 10. I insulated many metal parts that was touching the mobo from the case causing shorts (!?) 11. The cooling for both ssd's 12. Installed windows (and linux mint) 13. Upgraded the cooling system making it more efficient and going for 60C to 36C ambient 14. Many more miscellaneous things In the end I took a non working computer that was bricked and had so many problems and it now works perfectly fine, all thanks to you and people like you, that taught me how to do all these stuff. I also want to note that I am an archaeologist student and in no way a professional in IT. Thank you.
Coming from a company that actually disposes all these T and P series, I can confirm that they are indeed bulletproof and last longer than most modern laptops. Note that Lenovo stopped allowing you to put in more RAM since T490s. Avoid P1 Gen 2 and 3 as they were made during Covid and they didn't do any QC on their screen which has a very high failure rate (called Lenovo to replace these screens 2-3 times a year for the same laptop). T14S Gen 2 is an awesome daily driver for someone who isn't a crypto bro.
I work at an electronics recycle comany in Columbus Ohio. He is VERY CORRECT. Chromebooks I sell for 25 bucks. These laptops are very capable and upgradable. Plus TOUCHSCREEN too
I've been watching you for a while. Having worked in the business for over 40 years I can appreciate what you go through. I've been converting old Windows PC/Laptops to Linux for the past 4 years. Like you I hate to see these machines go into land fills. I had heard about Thinkpads for a while, but you brought home why they are good. My son lives in Beverly, so if I ever need a Thinkpad, I'll contact you and have him pick it up for me (to save you shipping). BTW, since I load up Linux, I won't need Windows installed.
As a normal consumer with no experience in Linux, could you point me how to install it, is it that different from windows, how could I install exe or msi programs?
@@floofypoofybread based on your questions and me new Linuxer this year, you have a massive learning curve ahead. Start googling basics about switching to linux. You cannot install .exe or .msi software on Linux, unless you run Windows or Windows in a virtual machine on Linux. Or maybe Bottles or Wine, but I never went that direction.
The other thing about Thinkpads is you can spec them from lenovo with Ubuntu so they have 100% hardware compatability and you rarely get any driver issues on linux.
@@floofypoofybread Just like installing Windows you create a bootable USB which you can do so by downloading your linux iso of choice (e.g. Linux mint 22) from their website and using balena etcher or similar software to create the installation usb drive. You then use that to install linux just like you would to install windows from USB. The more beginner friendly distros (like Linux mint which I use) have a Windows app store/google play store like interface where you can install stuff, similar to if you have used a Chromebook. For .exe I use WineGUI which sometimes works but more often than not you can just find a linux program that does what you want (e.g libreoffice instead of MS Office) or for games Steam can run an awful lot of games on linux natively now because all the Steam Decks are linux based so they have been really pushing for compatability.
You've made me very happy with my recent purchase of a used Lenovo ThinkPad P16S gen 1. I use it for CAD work and it's been superb. After watching this video I'm more confident that it'll last for years.
I bought my wife an HP Z2 G4 mini for Christmas to upgrade from her current HP All-In-One. The Z2 G4 is a beast of a mini-PC, and she doesn't game except very regularly and casually. Got it in and the build quality on this thing is insane. I always worry when stuff is shipped, but yeah, no this thing just rocks on toast. It's a 7th gen i7, 16gb RAM, it came diskless but I threw a 240gb SSD in it. It'll probably last her a decade.
I'm an IT technician we have Dell Latitudes that we can repair and reuse for our co workers to use. Before dell we have Lenovo but that contract ended.
@SalemTechsperts the thinkpad we used to have is the xone yoga gen2 there decent with i5 7th gen there little bit beaten but the downside with them is small and thin then again there still work as training laptops for new hires to use. The latitudes are very good for beginners since the size of those laptops are enough to understand the parts plus Dell has more parts available to use in my area to get in case of failure and mainly we use it for office workers. To me both are good. I'm using a Dell Latitude 5550 Laptop with an i5 12th gen cpu
@@SalemTechsperts Both are great choices but when come to repairablilty and most imporatanly avaliablity to get it replaces in quick pinch the dell Lattidues are good choice I do own a Dell Latitidue 5530 with a intel I5 12th Gen and been working form me quite well. I know the 5000/7000 series of Lattitudes are the best choice when comes to get a real useful laptop.
@@MrTheinfomanbought an used Lattitude 7390 great Laptop. Great battery, Touchscreen, Nice Keyboard, Type C Charging... 150€ cheap and portable Perfect for on the go
This is so true. I bought a refurbished Dell Latitude 5400 a couple years ago for $250, easily upgraded it myself with 32gb DDR4 ram and a 2TB SSD, and it works like a charm. Fast, reliable, and REPAIRABLE.
While looking for a inexpensive laptop for a friend, accidentally bought another one for myself.. I bought him a Ryzen 7 2700U Hp elitebook with 256 ssd and 16 gb of ram for around 180 USD (conversion from CAD) and got myself a Thinkpad T495 with Ryzen 3700U, 32 gb RAM, 512 SSD and touchscreen for around 220 USD, seller installed Win 10 on it with no drivers at all, and even after I've installed audio driver, there was no audio, so I asked 40 bucks off in case if I wont be able to fix it (it was a hotkey driver issue, someone turned sound off with button combo, so only proper driver and button combo will turn it back on). Love it, it's light, fast, built like a tank and can even play some games with it's vega 10 iGPU.
Before my mom retired she had a few Thinkpad T14s that were issued to her by her company, helped set a relatively new one up for her when she moved to WFH and my god, that might be one of the best feeling laptops I've ever touched. Makes my Alienware feel like a Fisher Price toy in comparison.
There must be more genuinely good people like you and Lupe! I am so glad for this channel 's existence and the content you choose to share with the world! Informative, funny and easy to understand.❤
In 2011 I got a broken Thinkpad W500 almost for free that was supposed to be for parts, then I saw from the Lenovo site that was still in warranty and with the service *at home*, the Lenovo technician came at my place with the spare parts and fixed it for free. Best day of my life. And at the time was a beast of a laptop
Bringing my decade old dell latitude e7440 with me on a flight to San Diego, then our first ever cruise in December. I bought a Dell power companion (18,000 mah) for extra power. The laptop has served our family well since 2020
I still run a Dell Latitude with a 4th Gen i-7. Love that thing. Bluetooth and backlit keyboard. It has been great for everyday use for the past 4 years for portable usage.
I wish laptops were built to last, rather than being made to fail right after the warranty expires. Planned obsolescence sucks. I have an MSI gaming laptop I got in 2021, every year I had to get the screen fixed, now the warranty is expired, and it's in a pile of PC parts.
I am on my 2nd MSI laptop and have never had any problem. 1st one my daughter and granddaughter use it. I have travelled with both and besides being a heavy pain on my shoulder from the messenger bag, nothing but praise!!. When the NVidia 5xxx comes out, may be time to trade out the 3080.
For sure. We deal with close to 2000 laptops at work, all business class. From my 11 years of experience, Lenovo and Dell are great, but HP is not recommended. You can literally feel the quality. You really notice how much better they are when a customer brings in one of their $300 Best Buy offerings, which is made of the cheapest plastic (including the hinges). It's overloaded with bloatware, and runs like absolute trash even after a fresh OS install.
Honestly we are currently buying mainly HP Elitebooks and they actually fell pretty stable. The worst models we have are Fujitsu laptops, these things break all the time and feel like the whole screen ist only plastic.
My company has been using HP Elitebook 800 and 1000 series for many years now. Pretty good , occasional battery bloat issues after 2 years but hardly any other hardware failures. I will say, don't get the lower range business class laptops like HP Probook and Dell Vostro. I have been burnt before by trying to cut cost going for these lower end model, their failure rate is noticibly higher.
We have more issues with HP Elite Books than with any Dell or Lenovo devices. Also, dealing with their warranty service is more difficult than with Dell. I have yet to need to contact Lenovo for any reason, so I can't comment on their service.
I've heard iffy things about HP's warranty experience and their build quality seems to fluctuate wildly depending on model. But I don't see many come into the shop, even used ones.
I'm glad this strategy is gaining traction. I've been recommending this for years. Used workstation laptops are also better than new gaming laptops for most people.
My personal phone , tablets and laptop are Apple, but when I need a PC for running laser show software or SolidWorks for CAD, 3-4yo Dell precisions for about 15-20% of new price have served me pretty well.
Working in big corporations somethimes it saddens me how we destroy so much good hardware, when we upgraded our backup server I almost cried when I had to send to heaven 80TB of perfectly good and working drives.
Just upgraded my refurbished i7 ThinkPad T480 I bought for 250€. It already came with a lot of upgrades si I'm pretty sure the previous owner was part of the cult too. I love this laptop.
I'm kinda need a laptop in hurry & in tight budget, buying new would only gets me an Intel Celeron-grade consumer laptop! These refurbished Thinkpad/Dell/Fujitsu are indeed look like a life saver..
10:44 Yes, that's quite logical reasoning, actually. Especially since ThinkPads are supposed to be absolute beasts anyway. Also, cool Star Trek: The Next Generation uniform in the bag back there behind you.
This type of messaging is why I keep coming back to this channel. Well, that … random deaths, capping on moms, and a general lack of seriousness between the seriousness.
Got a refurbished Dell Latitude 5300 like two weeks ago, and not gonna lie, it runs much faster and still looks brand new, unlike the celeron laptop that I bought brand new and didnt even last 2 years without upgrades with the same price
P, T, W, and X series are solid laptops. E series are glorified consumer laptops. Dell Latitude/Precision mobile and HP ProBook/EliteBook series are also solid options.
I 100% agree. I got a used hp laptop i can replace everything on. most new systems have everything fused down onto the motherboard. i wish i had room to setup a repair station but i currently dont.
Exactly i work in a danish PC repair shop , and we sell 80-90 percent thinkpads and i totally agree on the quality compared to cheaper laptops from hp, acer and lenovo (ideapads) so i totally agree
I refurbished and upgraded myself a Lenovo 3000 V100 for use as a dual-boot Windows 7 and XP bare-metal machine. I use it for industrial machine programming because I'm sick of dealing with wonky USB support in VMs. It has a Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo, 3gb of ram and a 512gb sata SSD. It works surprisingly well!
Wow, congratulations on your impressive investment success! Your discipline and focus on delayed gratification is truly inspiring. I'm curious, what are some of the key factors that you consider when making investment decisions? Do you have any tips for those of us who are just starting to dip our toes into the world of investing? Thanks for sharing your story!
Some companies used to make "special models" of Computers/Laptops/Tablets just for Black Friday so they don't need to lower their prices on regular devices ( I learned about this practice when tablets were more popular). Usually in a couple months the recipient of the "low price special model" goes to sell their item, but they can't find any info online because the "low price special model" doesn't have a consumer friendly name (like HP Envy 7 laptop) just a jibberish company internal name (like HP Pavilion 14-f027cl#aba-us).
I had a Thinkpad Yoga that I use as a "tablet" to draw illustrations. And I think these things vs the customer-grade Lenovo Yoga is an obvious superior. Like why is Lenovo calling a laptop that can't do Yoga, a Yoga.
My aunt gave me a buissness grade dell xps 15Z from about 2012, and let me tell you... that thing feels so premium compared to my 2019 lenovo ideapad. The keyboard and trackpad are great, The metal frame is great, hell the screen still hold up as well. It genuinly is a amazing laptop still.
I just bought an HP ZBook 15 G2 that I’m upgrading significantly. I’ve already got a quad core i7 for it, I’ve ordered a GTX 1650 MXM card for it, and I’ll upgrade the LCD to a better one.
I just recently pushed 2 of my clients towards buying a used Thinkpad W540. Intel i7 (4th gen) 16GB DDR3, 512GB SSD and a dedicated GPU with 2GB of vram. Both those clients love them and said they will never buy new again. Both surprising had good batteries too.
I know I'll catch heat for this but this is one of my most hated ThinkPad's. Simply because of the weird quality of plastic they used, and the touchpad. Oh God the touchpad. With that said it truly is a legend for being the last one with a DVD drive. I sold plenty and they all loved it. Except 1 that had a display that was 3K resolution and was completely unobtainable when they broke it.
Never thought about that. But you are right that some people have ruined the “used” market so it is hard to find somewhere/one to buy one. Keep making the videos!
They actually have channels with tech only 2yrs old and they make it like it’s ancient. A new product being split faster and it’s way better? It’s ridiculous I love refurbished computers, I stack apps and games from Linux on the ones I repair and sell. People a very happy with them.
This is what really bugs me about some tech reviewers. Like, I get it, it's what sells...but I'm not a fan of demeaning "old" tech when it perfectly fits 99% of people's usage.
@ I used to pack them with as much apps and games as possible. I used to link them to as many RUclips videos as possible that helped with Inkscape and all the other apps. Installing steam was also great selling point. It really was take it home and plug it in and use it. Office 365 and a few others made it easier for people to get used to it.
My two recommendations lately have been the T480(s) if you want something dirt cheap but really good and still runs Windows 11. If you have a bit more money, than a T14(s) 2nd Gen, or wait until all the 3rd Gen come to the refurbishers. Every year, a new model comes to the refurbishers, and those are generally the best bang for bucks laptops. I also agree on the inspirions, and elitebooks, they are also pretty solid laptops. I started with a Refurb T420 and I've been sticking to refurbed thinkpads ever since.
This videos should watch everyone that wants a new laptop, lets be real, if you want to play games at least new gen buy a pc, but for work this video is the best
@@ANANG408for me, it's the game developer. Despite hardware had advanced so much, the games run unoptimized Microsoft, well, since Windows 11 release, I can concur on that. I'm using Windows 10 for a longer time.
i fully agree with this. as another IT guy running a service company most of the time business oriented laoptops are what to go with and if you want something that has some gaming potential buy a former graphics workstation they typically have high end gpus and they usually have a ton of ram and proper sized heat sinks remember they are a graphics dev workstation.
My 11 year old was doing homeschool last year, and I got him a used Carbon X1 6th gen with 16gb of RAM running Windows 11. Now that he's back in regular school, we added a thunderbolt gpu dock and it's his gaming system, and my pick up and use for web surfing laptop. Best 250 bucks I ever spent on used device tbh
Thank you, the world need a person like you, where all company just want money but you give the best option for us. You are the kindest technicians that ever lived.
Its a pain. I work in K-12 IT and we've had to send a fair amount of staff ThinkPads to e-waste due to failing USB-C ports but are otherwise in working condition. We don't have the tools or training, and most importantly, time to solder/desolder ports.
@@theglowcloud2215 We have a mix between Lenovo and Acer Chromebooks. I don't recall their model numbers. But both Acer and Lenovo have the same design flaw (IMO) regarding the USB-C ports. We've had to e-waste many Chromebooks that are otherwise in good working condition minus the damaged USB-C ports.
As someone, who buys / sells / repairs business class notebooks and PCs for 15 years (sweet old days of D620-s), nice video! I would also like to point out some other things. For business class laptops, it is a lot, and I mean A LOT easier to get parts as keyboard, battery, chassis parts, displays, cables, original chargers. Not some third party chinese knock-off garbage, original ones, for a lot cheaper. Also, business class computers are a lot more durable (talking about travelling with laptops, PC-s used in dirty industrial applications, etc.). Also, troubleshooting any problems is a lot easier (beep / flashing codes, BIOS error codes, shut off / restart patterns, etc.) I would pick any day everyday a business class PC or laptop over any cheap consumer / gaming garbage.
This really makes me feel like i've made the right choice yesterday having someone order a latitude on amazon then, it's coming tomorrow. Can confirm it came and it's great, nobloatware, default windows 10 drivers work, and powerful enough for what i need, and some of my gaming needs.
This makes me so happy about my T480 purchase yesterday. Got a used model off eBay with 32gb of ram, 256gb NVME, i5-8350u and an IPS 1080p display for only $135 😎
My old and faithful Asus G72GX died a few days before it's 2 years warantee expired. Got its mainboard replaced for free. There's some justice still. My next laptop will be a segond-hand business laptop. Thanks for all the valuable info on the chnanel. Love.
Amazing, I run a small IT shop in South Florida. I don't have a storefront it's strictly mobile. Been telling my customers the same thing for years, I'll often direct them to a certified business class refurbisher simply because of the better quality. I started out using only machines from a refurbisher called Joy Systems... not sure if they're still around. I remember unpacking one of their desktops... it was utterly amazing...they would even repaint the side of the desktop where the monitor had sat on top of as a workstation. Thanks for being courageous enough to share!! DB
I work for an MSP that supports large state government contracts (US government holds onto ancient hardware across the board). Popping an SSD into a Lenovo T430 to this day still makes an extremely usable laptop which came out in 2012.
Hi, I must thank you for every guidance you are giving to us, specially broke guys like myself yet even those refurbished laptops cost a fortune where I live. Thanks again for sharing your experience and pieces of advise that you're giving to us!❤
I genuinely love used laptops. My current old gaming Dell with me for 5 years. I bought it in a bit harsh condition, upgraded ram, replaced keyboard and insert ssd as it has 2 slots. This thing survived university, occupation, me working with kids (it fell from table once) and moving from place to place. And now I'm playing BG3 with my bro on it. This laptop is modular enough, total blessing
Honestly, even the newest version of Thinkpad can't work properly with newest Microsoft. I live in Indonesia with second-hand 8gb thinkpad run on Debian Linux. My client is one of the largest company in Japan that uses Microsoft with their latest thinkpad. During meetings, mine works faster and better.... mine cost USD 25, them cost USD 2K.
@@ANANG408 What exactly do you mean that they don't work with Windows? I work In K-12 IT and we primarily use ThinkPads for teachers and staff and rarely have issues with Windows.
Watching the video from my refurbished Thinkpad, love them. In 25 years I had 3. Not one died, they just become so old for new software I had to replace them, but since I started using Linux 6 years ago I think they will last a lot more with me....
I bought a Thinkpad T480 for a really good price used and in good condition and threw arch linux on it. It's a great daily driver despite it's age. I do have more powerful hardware for gaming though but the t480 handles almost everything else I do besides gaming.
I have a six-year old refurbished Latitude that's still working great. Replaced the battery and thermal paste once, upgraded the hard drive. My only complaint is that the RAM is soldered and I wish I had considered that when I purchased it. Other reasons I would consider upgrading is for 4K 60 Hz and Windows 11 support.
Me and my family only own business class laptops for actual everyday use. Apart from my Lenovo Thinkpad X13 Gen1 which I actually bought new in 2020 and my big desktop gaming rig they were all bought used. For a long time we had Thinkpad T430's from 2013 in use but with the coming shutdown for Win10 next year something newer was needed, so we settled for several Dell Latitude 7390 from 2019 which I got for dirt cheap from my employer. With some fresh thermal paste and a new M.2 drive they run like an absolte charm and are quite light and compact compared to the absolute tank the old T430 is. One more cool detail about the regular 7390 (not the 2 in 1) is that they have two ways of getting charged and powered, either with a traditional barrel plug or over Thunderbolt.
For everyone asking WHERE to buy Used Business Class Laptops. It depends on your country. eBay, electronics recyclers, Facebook marketplace, and computer repair shops are the best bet. If you don't have access to those then I don't know what to tell you :(
Also editing this because I forgot to mention in the video: A lot of these laptops will STILL be under manufacturer warranty. The T16 is under warranty for another 24 months and you can grab these for like $500 on eBay. It's insane
I got a used business laptop but the battery dies really quickly even when only browsing. ~ 2 hours at best
The display was really good but the integrated graphics literally cant keep up with the resolution.
What do you think about Steam Deck? Do you have Experience with Fixing Hand held PC? What do you think about Repairing Hand Held PC
I just bought a 11oz mug from your online store. The greatest mug that’s ever lived.🤙
@@randomspaceman3732 Unfortunately one of the few drawbacks. But the good news is you can usually find genuine batteries for business-class laptops like these. I should've mentioned that in the video
@@wingman-1977 Enjoy it! I love that thing lol
The cutscene of MKBHD speeding in a school zone 😭 greatest editor that ever lived
Bruh no time stamp?
@@gp8383here ya go, 05:00
@@gp8383 it's literally in the beginning of the video lol. 1:05
@trott4241 yes I was trying to listen in the background and watch intermittentlly but couldn't let my eyes leave the screen lol
I've done much, MUCH dumber shit in cars. I'm just lucky enough to not have filmed it.
0:58 seems like MKBHD still can't catch a brake
Well no he can't, cause he obviously doesn't know what brakes are .... lol.
i see what you did there
@@reaper15a explain the obvious joke more. I don't think the rest of the world got it.
What's the minimum age for claiming you aren't responsible because you hit the accelerator instead of the brake ?
I might be late to learn the MKBHD stuff, but thanks to all the comments on it, now i'm up to speed
I did just that last year. Bought a refurbished Thinkpad T480s, and despite asking it to do things it wasn't intended to do, it has never broken down on me. Highly recommended
What did you ask it to do? Get drunk at a bar?
@@FireFoxDestroyer haha no, just played some games on it as I don't have anything more powerful atm.
I’ve had 2x T480s’s for the past 5 years, and a business had them before that. They’re absolutely awesome.
Same. I bought a T480 for $150 and upgraded it by changing thermal paste with Arctic MX-6, upgrading the RAM to 32GB and swapped the small 24Wh battery with the larger 72Wh one. I choose regular T480 over T480s because I really love laptops with swappable battery
@@sihamhamda47How did the 72wh battery even fit in the 24wh battery spot.
Another thing about these business-class laptops is that they tend to be sold with rather extensive service contracts-- typically 3 years with on-site service. So, if these break too often, Dell/Lenovo/HP would need to spend money sending someone out to the client's office to repair it. As such, it would made no sense to cheap out on build quality.
Can fully agree we only buy with extended warranty for 3 years with on-site service. Really motivates the manufacturer to produce better hardware (except for fujitsu which needed to send someone 3 times this year, basically equaling a whole laptop in costs).
We do the same for laptops with extended onsite warranty. HP has really gone down hill in terms of service with their third party service. Lenovo still seems good for their onsite services.
A friend gave me a T14, and I gave it to my daughter's robotics team. It's been running like a champ. They did hand it back to me with a "fan issue" and it wouldn't boot. I took it apart, had to take the fan and heat pipes off, and just looking at the fan, which spun easily with my hand. It wasn't until I looked down that I found a screw sitting where the fan used to be. It didn't come from the computer, some sneaky robot put it there.
Put in new thermal paste, and it's still running like a champ.
Hah, I once had a laptop come in that had a weed stem stopping the fan from spinning. Love those simple fixes
you sound like a cool dude
My T480's screen failed this week. I just bought a new screen online and all it took was 5 mins for me to replace the screen.
11:11 Hey thanks! When it comes to gaming laptops, there are definitely great deals on used/open box models to be had, but yeah the problem seems to be they just age quicker due to games improving and new GPUs coming out every other year. For regular people doing normal stuff though it's way less of a problem.
Hopefully designs like the Framework 16 with removable and upgradeable GPU get more popular. I know there's something new coming in that space next year, but can't talk about it just yet.
I dont like how Im starting to read all ur comments in ur voice
Of course man, you're the go to! Appreciate you watching my video. Thanks for doing what you do. Open box is always a steal, brand new without the brand new price!
I genuinely hope Framework takes over the world, or at least forces other companies to take upgradeable GPU's seriously. their mission is admirable. Can't wait to finally see one in person at CES. Your last sentence intrigues me 🤐💻👀
@@SalemTechspertsregarding his last sentece: Tongfang released a thinner gaming laptop with swappable GPU about two weeks ago for the Chinese market. Looks good. He may mean that one. Or something else entirely. We'll see.
I would consider a gaming PC tower then. The PC box itself will last forever and all of the components are compatible.
The goats 🐐
Typing this comment on a T440 (running Linux) that I literally pulled out of an e-waste dumpster 2 years ago.
New thermal paste, some gooch removal and general TLC as well as two batteries later, and it's still going strong. Plenty enough for browsing, email and some wireless shenanigans. Love this machine. And all I paid was like 90 bucks for the new batteries and a charger. A small RAM upgrade and the thermal paste came from my parts bin so I consider them free. Not bad for a perfectly usable light duty workhorse.
Debian here 💪💪
Same with cars. I had 80K to splurge on a car. I could have gotten a new anything but I chose a used Volvo. And I LOVE IT. Only spent $23K. By smarter with your money, people.
Yep. I love my old BMWs, got a million km worth in the driveway, a meh POS bought new a decade and a half ago that would have been junked by now would prob have cost me more in depreciation alone than my whole fleet has.
My 540i could blow up tomorrow and I'd still be smiling as the towie carted it away. I don't give a f what people think, cheap pleasure is still pleasure
@@greebj You got that right. Old BMW's are the poor mans luxury car. My E90 has been kicking it for years, and I beat the snot out of it. Ballin on a budget yo!
I had 2k€ to spend on a car and I spent 2k€ on 12 years old Fiat. Stil going six years and 130k km later.
@ProjectExMachina Which Fiat?
My wife asked me to find a new laptop for my mother in law, so I figured that I'd scroll through your videos to find what business grade laptops you'd suggest. Then I find out that this video just came out!
The greatest RUclipsr that ever lived.
Thank you.
Bought a Dell Latitude 7490 off a private seller in FB. Stellar reliability and workhorse than my previous junk HP pavilion. However the battery died in one month and spent 60$ to buy an OEM from Dell. So YMMV buying used but I plan to keep the laptop till it dies so might be a good ROI.
Interrogate her first to find out what she NEEDS. Ask about screen size and numpad specifically, battery life, etc. Older people tend to love larger screens
@@laxminarayananks1520 Yeah always assume you need to replace the battery, most sellers will specifically state whether the battery is guaranteed or not
@@SalemTechsperts Yup. I've been taking notes from your vids. :)
She needs it for surfing, emails, and banking.
Right now, I'm looking at a Latitude 3590 with its 15.6" screen. I can't find any P or T series Thinkpads locally. More research will be done!
I’ve been looking as well and there are a ton of them on eBay.
01:05 LMAOOOOOO friggin brutal. Thanks for the constant stream of quality content 🎉🎉
Thank you!!!
I hope he applies the greatest blur filter that ever existed.
The T580 is a worthy mention, espicially if you need more battery than performance.
Sounds like a good option for somebody who would otherwise get a chromebook or similar.
I miss working at an electronics recycling center. They used to hand me my paycheck, and i would hand it back to them and buy all sorts of servers workstations and business class laptops.
(Fujitsu are my favorite)
fujitsu has good laptops ?
Fujitsu has amazing laptops
Any recomendations ?@VibrantJuniper
@@ΓερασιμοςΔημοπουλους Fujitsu laptops don't die. they just get louder. I still have an archaic life book B series that got me through college and I said I would recycle when it died. except it never died
It lives by absorbing the lifespans of broken devices nearby XD.@@Psikeomega
Love that you're including Trident in your skits now
Bro keeps robbing them like he in a GTA heist😭😭🙏🙏
@@forzathefluffyfox I wait until my stars go away
Hey Andy, I currently have an Acer Nitro 5 that I got from my brother that wouldn't boot. Your videos, made me open the gaming laptop and fix it. I ended up fixing:
1. Ticking noise from the fan and overheating (the repair shop we have send the laptop in the past scammed us and replaced the blower fan with an incompatible one that was not only shorter, but it was leaking air everywhere)
2. Repaste
3. A bricked sata m2 ssd that had the integrated graphics removed from device manager (I did a format)
4. A broken mx key in the keyboard (used some glue to)
5. I glued a crack in the case
6. I identified and removed the RAM stick whose slot was causing the computer to crash and shut down and upgraded the RAM
7. I tied and fixed the loose trackpad
8. I reset the bios that was bricked
9. I cleaned and removed debris from the mobo
10. I insulated many metal parts that was touching the mobo from the case causing shorts (!?)
11. The cooling for both ssd's
12. Installed windows (and linux mint)
13. Upgraded the cooling system making it more efficient and going for 60C to 36C ambient
14. Many more miscellaneous things
In the end I took a non working computer that was bricked and had so many problems and it now works perfectly fine, all thanks to you and people like you, that taught me how to do all these stuff. I also want to note that I am an archaeologist student and in no way a professional in IT. Thank you.
Coming from a company that actually disposes all these T and P series, I can confirm that they are indeed bulletproof and last longer than most modern laptops. Note that Lenovo stopped allowing you to put in more RAM since T490s. Avoid P1 Gen 2 and 3 as they were made during Covid and they didn't do any QC on their screen which has a very high failure rate (called Lenovo to replace these screens 2-3 times a year for the same laptop). T14S Gen 2 is an awesome daily driver for someone who isn't a crypto bro.
Thanks Mohamad!! I appreciate this!
I think from Gen4 or 5 onward you can replace RAM in the T14. I have a T14G3 and it doesn't even have an SD card reader. All of my other ThinkPads do.
Thanks man ! I'm thinking to buy Dell latitude 3490, i3 7th gen. Tight on budget, previously had ryzen 3 3250u based vivobook.
Got t480 for this reason
@@Atheist2k3 nah. That processor would be balls.
Try to get i5 8th gen minimum.
Not Ryzen because the rarity in laptops = more costs
I work at an electronics recycle comany in Columbus Ohio. He is VERY CORRECT. Chromebooks I sell for 25 bucks. These laptops are very capable and upgradable. Plus TOUCHSCREEN too
Naw. I run Debian, and Fedora Linux. This is because you don't have to disable secure boot. I always run secure boot. On all my machines.
I've been watching you for a while. Having worked in the business for over 40 years I can appreciate what you go through. I've been converting old Windows PC/Laptops to Linux for the past 4 years. Like you I hate to see these machines go into land fills. I had heard about Thinkpads for a while, but you brought home why they are good. My son lives in Beverly, so if I ever need a Thinkpad, I'll contact you and have him pick it up for me (to save you shipping). BTW, since I load up Linux, I won't need Windows installed.
As a normal consumer with no experience in Linux, could you point me how to install it, is it that different from windows, how could I install exe or msi programs?
@@floofypoofybread based on your questions and me new Linuxer this year, you have a massive learning curve ahead. Start googling basics about switching to linux. You cannot install .exe or .msi software on Linux, unless you run Windows or Windows in a virtual machine on Linux. Or maybe Bottles or Wine, but I never went that direction.
The other thing about Thinkpads is you can spec them from lenovo with Ubuntu so they have 100% hardware compatability and you rarely get any driver issues on linux.
@@floofypoofybread Just like installing Windows you create a bootable USB which you can do so by downloading your linux iso of choice (e.g. Linux mint 22) from their website and using balena etcher or similar software to create the installation usb drive. You then use that to install linux just like you would to install windows from USB. The more beginner friendly distros (like Linux mint which I use) have a Windows app store/google play store like interface where you can install stuff, similar to if you have used a Chromebook. For .exe I use WineGUI which sometimes works but more often than not you can just find a linux program that does what you want (e.g libreoffice instead of MS Office) or for games Steam can run an awful lot of games on linux natively now because all the Steam Decks are linux based so they have been really pushing for compatability.
You've made me very happy with my recent purchase of a used Lenovo ThinkPad P16S gen 1. I use it for CAD work and it's been superb.
After watching this video I'm more confident that it'll last for years.
I bought my wife an HP Z2 G4 mini for Christmas to upgrade from her current HP All-In-One. The Z2 G4 is a beast of a mini-PC, and she doesn't game except very regularly and casually. Got it in and the build quality on this thing is insane. I always worry when stuff is shipped, but yeah, no this thing just rocks on toast. It's a 7th gen i7, 16gb RAM, it came diskless but I threw a 240gb SSD in it. It'll probably last her a decade.
I'm an IT technician we have Dell Latitudes that we can repair and reuse for our co workers to use. Before dell we have Lenovo but that contract ended.
What's your experience been like comparatively? Pros, cons of latitude vs thinkpad
@SalemTechsperts the thinkpad we used to have is the xone yoga gen2 there decent with i5 7th gen there little bit beaten but the downside with them is small and thin then again there still work as training laptops for new hires to use. The latitudes are very good for beginners since the size of those laptops are enough to understand the parts plus Dell has more parts available to use in my area to get in case of failure and mainly we use it for office workers.
To me both are good. I'm using a Dell Latitude 5550 Laptop with an i5 12th gen cpu
@@SalemTechsperts Both are great choices but when come to repairablilty and most imporatanly avaliablity to get it replaces in quick pinch the dell Lattidues are good choice I do own a Dell Latitidue 5530 with a intel I5 12th Gen and been working form me quite well. I know the 5000/7000 series of Lattitudes are the best choice when comes to get a real useful laptop.
@@MrTheinfomanbought an used Lattitude 7390 great Laptop. Great battery, Touchscreen, Nice Keyboard, Type C Charging... 150€ cheap and portable
Perfect for on the go
This is so true. I bought a refurbished Dell Latitude 5400 a couple years ago for $250, easily upgraded it myself with 32gb DDR4 ram and a 2TB SSD, and it works like a charm. Fast, reliable, and REPAIRABLE.
7480 here. Didn't upgrade it. 16/256 GB. And it does everything I need from it like a charm and build quality is just amazing
Dude, your videos are so refreshing. It's so nice to see someone just being real.
While looking for a inexpensive laptop for a friend, accidentally bought another one for myself.. I bought him a Ryzen 7 2700U Hp elitebook with 256 ssd and 16 gb of ram for around 180 USD (conversion from CAD) and got myself a Thinkpad T495 with Ryzen 3700U, 32 gb RAM, 512 SSD and touchscreen for around 220 USD, seller installed Win 10 on it with no drivers at all, and even after I've installed audio driver, there was no audio, so I asked 40 bucks off in case if I wont be able to fix it (it was a hotkey driver issue, someone turned sound off with button combo, so only proper driver and button combo will turn it back on). Love it, it's light, fast, built like a tank and can even play some games with it's vega 10 iGPU.
Where did u find them?
I have the exact same laptop!
I agree, for me it started with a ThinkPad T20 w/ Intel 386 processor. I was hooked ever since. thanks for your posts.
Salute to an OG! Thanks for watching!
Before my mom retired she had a few Thinkpad T14s that were issued to her by her company, helped set a relatively new one up for her when she moved to WFH and my god, that might be one of the best feeling laptops I've ever touched. Makes my Alienware feel like a Fisher Price toy in comparison.
Alienware quality is no joke though! But yeah T14s is sexy af lol
There must be more genuinely good people like you and Lupe! I am so glad for this channel 's existence and the content you choose to share with the world!
Informative, funny and easy to understand.❤
In 2011 I got a broken Thinkpad W500 almost for free that was supposed to be for parts, then I saw from the Lenovo site that was still in warranty and with the service *at home*, the Lenovo technician came at my place with the spare parts and fixed it for free. Best day of my life. And at the time was a beast of a laptop
Bringing my decade old dell latitude e7440 with me on a flight to San Diego, then our first ever cruise in December. I bought a Dell power companion (18,000 mah) for extra power. The laptop has served our family well since 2020
Thank you for your honesty and I respect that you care about your customers and that you try to cut down on e-watse.
I still run a Dell Latitude with a 4th Gen i-7. Love that thing. Bluetooth and backlit keyboard. It has been great for everyday use for the past 4 years for portable usage.
love it
I wish laptops were built to last, rather than being made to fail right after the warranty expires. Planned obsolescence sucks.
I have an MSI gaming laptop I got in 2021, every year I had to get the screen fixed, now the warranty is expired, and it's in a pile of PC parts.
I am on my 2nd MSI laptop and have never had any problem. 1st one my daughter and granddaughter use it. I have travelled with both and besides being a heavy pain on my shoulder from the messenger bag, nothing but praise!!. When the NVidia 5xxx comes out, may be time to trade out the 3080.
if its just the screen, check if it has a hdmi port, you can attach it to a tv or monitor and get another few months out of it.
@ashleythomas9671 it still works, just not as a laptop
For sure. We deal with close to 2000 laptops at work, all business class. From my 11 years of experience, Lenovo and Dell are great, but HP is not recommended. You can literally feel the quality.
You really notice how much better they are when a customer brings in one of their $300 Best Buy offerings, which is made of the cheapest plastic (including the hinges). It's overloaded with bloatware, and runs like absolute trash even after a fresh OS install.
Honestly we are currently buying mainly HP Elitebooks and they actually fell pretty stable. The worst models we have are Fujitsu laptops, these things break all the time and feel like the whole screen ist only plastic.
My company has been using HP Elitebook 800 and 1000 series for many years now. Pretty good , occasional battery bloat issues after 2 years but hardly any other hardware failures. I will say, don't get the lower range business class laptops like HP Probook and Dell Vostro. I have been burnt before by trying to cut cost going for these lower end model, their failure rate is noticibly higher.
We have more issues with HP Elite Books than with any Dell or Lenovo devices. Also, dealing with their warranty service is more difficult than with Dell. I have yet to need to contact Lenovo for any reason, so I can't comment on their service.
I've heard iffy things about HP's warranty experience and their build quality seems to fluctuate wildly depending on model. But I don't see many come into the shop, even used ones.
I'm glad this strategy is gaining traction. I've been recommending this for years.
Used workstation laptops are also better than new gaming laptops for most people.
My personal phone , tablets and laptop are Apple, but when I need a PC for running laser show software or SolidWorks for CAD, 3-4yo Dell precisions for about 15-20% of new price have served me pretty well.
Working in big corporations somethimes it saddens me how we destroy so much good hardware, when we upgraded our backup server I almost cried when I had to send to heaven 80TB of perfectly good and working drives.
Just upgraded my refurbished i7 ThinkPad T480 I bought for 250€. It already came with a lot of upgrades si I'm pretty sure the previous owner was part of the cult too. I love this laptop.
1:05 MKBHD reference is crazy
I'm kinda need a laptop in hurry & in tight budget, buying new would only gets me an Intel Celeron-grade consumer laptop! These refurbished Thinkpad/Dell/Fujitsu are indeed look like a life saver..
From experience, Thinkpad last longer. Never tried Dell though.
I absolutely concur. I've been buying off-lease corporate laptops for years; Dell Precision preferred followed by Lenovo.
Saw your video on the T530, purchased one and it’s perfect.
Glad to hear you're enjoying it!
2:52 The greatest Thief That Ever lived!
10:44 Yes, that's quite logical reasoning, actually. Especially since ThinkPads are supposed to be absolute beasts anyway. Also, cool Star Trek: The Next Generation uniform in the bag back there behind you.
It's foreshadowing a future video 👀
A subtle foreshadowing!?@@SalemTechsperts
4:46 THE GREATEST AD SEGUE THAT’S EVER LIVED
Lupe has a beautiful beard man
Coconut oil
did you forget a comma, perhaps?
You sure it's not baby oil?@@SalemTechsperts
@@SomeRendomDudeno no lupe has a man with a beautiful beard lmao
This type of messaging is why I keep coming back to this channel. Well, that … random deaths, capping on moms, and a general lack of seriousness between the seriousness.
Hah, thank you for coming back!
I 100% agree with you my tech administrator at my school gave me a couple decommissioned HP probooks 4520s from 2010 and they're amazing
Got a refurbished Dell Latitude 5300 like two weeks ago, and not gonna lie, it runs much faster and still looks brand new, unlike the celeron laptop that I bought brand new and didnt even last 2 years without upgrades with the same price
Think pads are the best laptops.
not all of them
For the cost, and how easy they are to repair - yes they are!
P series ones. E series are not great.
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P, T, W, and X series are solid laptops. E series are glorified consumer laptops.
Dell Latitude/Precision mobile and HP ProBook/EliteBook series are also solid options.
I 100% agree. I got a used hp laptop i can replace everything on. most new systems have everything fused down onto the motherboard. i wish i had room to setup a repair station but i currently dont.
Hate it. Stuck with gaming laptops
I use Void Linux on a Thinkpad T420. Made back in 2011. It's still working flawlessly.
I miss saying T420blazeit everytime I sold a T420
I'm running Void on an T470s that used to be a work laptop at my job. Such a delight!
Exactly i work in a danish PC repair shop , and we sell 80-90 percent thinkpads and i totally agree on the quality compared to cheaper laptops from hp, acer and lenovo (ideapads) so i totally agree
Aw man and you Sim Race? I need more Danish friends
@SalemTechsperts yeah i do simrace 😊
Bought my mum a refurbished T490. Works great. Good battery. She’s super happy with it.
1:41 Cool license plate
I refurbished and upgraded myself a Lenovo 3000 V100 for use as a dual-boot Windows 7 and XP bare-metal machine. I use it for industrial machine programming because I'm sick of dealing with wonky USB support in VMs. It has a Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo, 3gb of ram and a 512gb sata SSD. It works surprisingly well!
I had to Google what model that was but man that looks like a beautiful tank.
Thank you for recommending Sarah Jennine Davis on one of your videos. I reached out to her and :nvesting with her has been amazing.
Wow, congratulations on your impressive investment success! Your discipline and focus on delayed gratification is truly inspiring. I'm curious, what are some of the key factors that you consider when making investment decisions? Do you have any tips for those of us who are just starting to dip our toes into the world of investing? Thanks for sharing your story!
Do you mind sharing info on the adviser who
assisted you? I'm 39 now and would love to
grow my portfolio and plan my retirement
@@สมรักษ์อินทร์ตา-ม7ฑ Sarah Jennine Davis is highly recommended
You most likely should get her basic info when you search her on your browser.
@@Elijah-e6vHow do I access her ? I really need this
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hello, i just bought today thinkpad x240 for i.t college thank you for this video
This is exactly what I'm interested in. Great timing!
Scored a Thinkpad T14 Gen 1 10th gen with a 4k screen for $250 AUD! much better than any of the crap they try to sell these days
👏 This is exactly what I'm saying!
Some companies used to make "special models" of Computers/Laptops/Tablets just for Black Friday so they don't need to lower their prices on regular devices ( I learned about this practice when tablets were more popular). Usually in a couple months the recipient of the "low price special model" goes to sell their item, but they can't find any info online because the "low price special model" doesn't have a consumer friendly name (like HP Envy 7 laptop) just a jibberish company internal name (like HP Pavilion 14-f027cl#aba-us).
I had a Thinkpad Yoga that I use as a "tablet" to draw illustrations. And I think these things vs the customer-grade Lenovo Yoga is an obvious superior. Like why is Lenovo calling a laptop that can't do Yoga, a Yoga.
So true. I buy old Lenovos and run Linux on them, they run like a dream.
I watch for the comedy, subscribed for the tech advice.
My aunt gave me a buissness grade dell xps 15Z from about 2012, and let me tell you... that thing feels so premium compared to my 2019 lenovo ideapad. The keyboard and trackpad are great, The metal frame is great, hell the screen still hold up as well. It genuinly is a amazing laptop still.
I just bought an HP ZBook 15 G2 that I’m upgrading significantly. I’ve already got a quad core i7 for it, I’ve ordered a GTX 1650 MXM card for it, and I’ll upgrade the LCD to a better one.
I have ThinkPad x230 (11 years) and ThinkPad L470 (7 years) and both of them after all this time work just superb.😊
I have been selling the G9 255 with 3 year warranty like hotcakes lately - really nice machines for the money.
I bought a refurbished ThinkPad T450 over a year ago now, and I love it!
I just recently pushed 2 of my clients towards buying a used Thinkpad W540. Intel i7 (4th gen) 16GB DDR3, 512GB SSD and a dedicated GPU with 2GB of vram. Both those clients love them and said they will never buy new again. Both surprising had good batteries too.
I know I'll catch heat for this but this is one of my most hated ThinkPad's. Simply because of the weird quality of plastic they used, and the touchpad. Oh God the touchpad. With that said it truly is a legend for being the last one with a DVD drive. I sold plenty and they all loved it. Except 1 that had a display that was 3K resolution and was completely unobtainable when they broke it.
@@SalemTechspertsI really hate the rubber coating on older Dells that gets sticky over time, horrible experience lol
@ man that sticky rubber coating affected everything from headphones to Maserati’s.
Never thought about that. But you are right that some people have ruined the “used” market so it is hard to find somewhere/one to buy one. Keep making the videos!
They actually have channels with tech only 2yrs old and they make it like it’s ancient. A new product being split faster and it’s way better? It’s ridiculous I love refurbished computers, I stack apps and games from Linux on the ones I repair and sell. People a very happy with them.
This is what really bugs me about some tech reviewers. Like, I get it, it's what sells...but I'm not a fan of demeaning "old" tech when it perfectly fits 99% of people's usage.
I've tried selling computers with Linux and no one seems to care for them.
@ I used to pack them with as much apps and games as possible. I used to link them to as many RUclips videos as possible that helped with Inkscape and all the other apps. Installing steam was also great selling point. It really was take it home and plug it in and use it. Office 365 and a few others made it easier for people to get used to it.
My two recommendations lately have been the T480(s) if you want something dirt cheap but really good and still runs Windows 11. If you have a bit more money, than a T14(s) 2nd Gen, or wait until all the 3rd Gen come to the refurbishers. Every year, a new model comes to the refurbishers, and those are generally the best bang for bucks laptops. I also agree on the inspirions, and elitebooks, they are also pretty solid laptops. I started with a Refurb T420 and I've been sticking to refurbed thinkpads ever since.
You guys definitely got your money worth on the plastic skeleton
This videos should watch everyone that wants a new laptop, lets be real, if you want to play games at least new gen buy a pc, but for work this video is the best
I think microsoft should be banned... they are the one who breaks laptop...
@@ANANG408for me, it's the game developer. Despite hardware had advanced so much, the games run unoptimized
Microsoft, well, since Windows 11 release, I can concur on that. I'm using Windows 10 for a longer time.
My thinkpad t430 is 10 years old and still running like brand new
i fully agree with this. as another IT guy running a service company most of the time business oriented laoptops are what to go with and if you want something that has some gaming potential buy a former graphics workstation they typically have high end gpus and they usually have a ton of ram and proper sized heat sinks remember they are a graphics dev workstation.
My 11 year old was doing homeschool last year, and I got him a used Carbon X1 6th gen with 16gb of RAM running Windows 11.
Now that he's back in regular school, we added a thunderbolt gpu dock and it's his gaming system, and my pick up and use for web surfing laptop.
Best 250 bucks I ever spent on used device tbh
I have a Carbon X1 5th Gen. I’m currently using it for college so I’d still recommend it if he needs it later in life and takes care of it
Thank you, the world need a person like you, where all company just want money but you give the best option for us. You are the kindest technicians that ever lived.
Why Lenovo gotta solder them USB-C ports? Even Apple don't solder them USB-C ports
I don't know man, but it's super frustrating. Everyone besides Framework and Apple solder their USB-C ports as far as I know.
Its a pain. I work in K-12 IT and we've had to send a fair amount of staff ThinkPads to e-waste due to failing USB-C ports but are otherwise in working condition. We don't have the tools or training, and most importantly, time to solder/desolder ports.
@@JJFlores197 is your district using Lenovo Chromebooks, too?
@@theglowcloud2215 We have a mix between Lenovo and Acer Chromebooks. I don't recall their model numbers. But both Acer and Lenovo have the same design flaw (IMO) regarding the USB-C ports. We've had to e-waste many Chromebooks that are otherwise in good working condition minus the damaged USB-C ports.
As someone, who buys / sells / repairs business class notebooks and PCs for 15 years (sweet old days of D620-s), nice video! I would also like to point out some other things. For business class laptops, it is a lot, and I mean A LOT easier to get parts as keyboard, battery, chassis parts, displays, cables, original chargers. Not some third party chinese knock-off garbage, original ones, for a lot cheaper. Also, business class computers are a lot more durable (talking about travelling with laptops, PC-s used in dirty industrial applications, etc.). Also, troubleshooting any problems is a lot easier (beep / flashing codes, BIOS error codes, shut off / restart patterns, etc.) I would pick any day everyday a business class PC or laptop over any cheap consumer / gaming garbage.
Man I miss 10-key laptops.
I main a 2011 T420 and it's probably the best laptop I've ever owned in terms of physical quality
Thanks for the cool video man
Thank you!!
This really makes me feel like i've made the right choice yesterday having someone order a latitude on amazon then, it's coming tomorrow.
Can confirm it came and it's great, nobloatware, default windows 10 drivers work, and powerful enough for what i need, and some of my gaming needs.
3:35 my man got zeused lmal
This makes me so happy about my T480 purchase yesterday. Got a used model off eBay with 32gb of ram, 256gb NVME, i5-8350u and an IPS 1080p display for only $135 😎
"I like my women chunky"! 😂
so true, i'm still using a HP Elitebook 8470p bought a decade ago, so easy to open, clean, upgrade... it will work until eternity !!!
My old and faithful Asus G72GX died a few days before it's 2 years warantee expired. Got its mainboard replaced for free. There's some justice still. My next laptop will be a segond-hand business laptop. Thanks for all the valuable info on the chnanel. Love.
Amazing, I run a small IT shop in South Florida. I don't have a storefront it's strictly mobile. Been telling my customers the same thing for years, I'll often direct them to a certified business class refurbisher simply because of the better quality. I started out using only machines from a refurbisher called Joy Systems... not sure if they're still around. I remember unpacking one of their desktops... it was utterly amazing...they would even repaint the side of the desktop where the monitor had sat on top of as a workstation. Thanks for being courageous enough to share!! DB
I work for an MSP that supports large state government contracts (US government holds onto ancient hardware across the board). Popping an SSD into a Lenovo T430 to this day still makes an extremely usable laptop which came out in 2012.
SSD's are like meth for old PC's, it's wild
i got my first refurbed thinkydink last year. omg the keyboard. i understand the hype now.
Hi, I must thank you for every guidance you are giving to us, specially broke guys like myself yet even those refurbished laptops cost a fortune where I live. Thanks again for sharing your experience and pieces of advise that you're giving to us!❤
I genuinely love used laptops. My current old gaming Dell with me for 5 years. I bought it in a bit harsh condition, upgraded ram, replaced keyboard and insert ssd as it has 2 slots. This thing survived university, occupation, me working with kids (it fell from table once) and moving from place to place. And now I'm playing BG3 with my bro on it. This laptop is modular enough, total blessing
I wish my company used ThinkPads. The Latitudes we use are worse than the one I bought 2nd hand
Honestly, even the newest version of Thinkpad can't work properly with newest Microsoft.
I live in Indonesia with second-hand 8gb thinkpad run on Debian Linux.
My client is one of the largest company in Japan that uses Microsoft with their latest thinkpad.
During meetings, mine works faster and better.... mine cost USD 25, them cost USD 2K.
@@ANANG408 What exactly do you mean that they don't work with Windows? I work In K-12 IT and we primarily use ThinkPads for teachers and staff and rarely have issues with Windows.
Watching the video from my refurbished Thinkpad, love them. In 25 years I had 3. Not one died, they just become so old for new software I had to replace them, but since I started using Linux 6 years ago I think they will last a lot more with me....
I bought a Thinkpad T480 for a really good price used and in good condition and threw arch linux on it. It's a great daily driver despite it's age. I do have more powerful hardware for gaming though but the t480 handles almost everything else I do besides gaming.
I have a six-year old refurbished Latitude that's still working great. Replaced the battery and thermal paste once, upgraded the hard drive. My only complaint is that the RAM is soldered and I wish I had considered that when I purchased it. Other reasons I would consider upgrading is for 4K 60 Hz and Windows 11 support.
This day's the RUclips algo got me good, I love the vibes here and I'm staying for that
Me and my family only own business class laptops for actual everyday use. Apart from my Lenovo Thinkpad X13 Gen1 which I actually bought new in 2020 and my big desktop gaming rig they were all bought used. For a long time we had Thinkpad T430's from 2013 in use but with the coming shutdown for Win10 next year something newer was needed, so we settled for several Dell Latitude 7390 from 2019 which I got for dirt cheap from my employer. With some fresh thermal paste and a new M.2 drive they run like an absolte charm and are quite light and compact compared to the absolute tank the old T430 is. One more cool detail about the regular 7390 (not the 2 in 1) is that they have two ways of getting charged and powered, either with a traditional barrel plug or over Thunderbolt.