SO fun story about this card, I've found over the years that there are custom drivers that allow you to completely ignore HDCP entirely. I can capture PS3 over HDMI without a HDCP stripper whatsoever. It's pretty neat! Wish I knew about the lossless recording format earlier, but I don't think I could have handled the massive files that would result anyway. I've enjoyed this little card for a while now, but it's certainly time for an upgrade. :)
This is so funny. The Avermedia C027 is the exact capture card I am using at this very moment. It is such a good product ad I prefer it over my Black magic Shuttle USB 3.0 hands down. The true test is running composite from an NES to the card and the card does not freak out.
For 720p60, it is still a wonderful capture card. I pair it up with my Sony camcorder pointed at my console and TV, to record alongside direct capture of a console.
Great Video. I have an old AverMedia H727 Card bought in 2012. This appears to a slightly upgraded model that also included an analog and digital tuner! At the time I was using it to capture Laserdiscs and VHS tapes. This card had a seriously good comb filter when using composite input. On par or better as my Panasonic SVHS recorder and DVD recorders, which were supposed to be among the best consumer devices. I later used it a bit for PS3 and Xbox 360 captures, and once I had a splitter that could strip HDCP I sometimes used to record stuff from my cable receiver. I still use it nowadays in an d SFF PC to capture OSSC footage. For some consoles 3x scaling works, but not all. 2x scaling works with more systems. Overall this was and still is a really good card.
I did enjoy the video! I used to 'capture' analog gaming via VHS so it's surprising that I haven't gotten into modern capture devices. Really too bad about the lack of proper 240p support. They obviously understand that it's a wanted feature. I've been dragging my feet getting a device in hopes of finding a mythical single device that can do all that I want. I want features that current cards have like 60 fps at 1080p at least, but I still want good analog support; I don't have external upscalers. From what I've seen, older cards don't support full 1080p/60 and newer cards have dropped analog. 😛
Heh, speaking of cards from 2009. My first one was BMD's Intensity Pro. That I changed a year later due to... well.. it had some very slight dithering problems.. that were quite a problem for a certain type of work at the time. And changed it to a much weirder and obscure card I still occasionally use today Foresight Imaging Accustream Express 170. Also of the same 2009 vintage. That was basically passed down to me for a project. And I bet it'll still outperform most 1080p capture cards today apart from a rather convoluted setup process. As a one sentence review for it - if you are willing to deal with it's software hoops and oddities - it's really great and totally flexible for any type of signal you can throw at it. Also as a side note it's also still supported and has new drivers/firmware releases on occasion (from what I gather it had some market share in medical applications). As for PS3 and pass-through I used Moome Mux-HD at the time. Any way as a closing idea, there were a lot of good capture cards back then that are occasionally popping up here and there for really cheap, and will likely satisfy most users nowdays.
I bought this card back in the day to capture my drumming videos on a camera that shoots 1080p/50...Then realized I could only use it as a 25p camera because the capture card is only 1080i...Totally killed the 50fps camera... Now I've come back to this topic as I've just purchased the Magewell Pro Capture Quad Hdmi and I can't wait to use it..It's on it's way! 😍 Thank you, this video is awesome! I lately searched Avermedia Website for drivers and you're right.. they are fantastic at serving their user base when it comes to drivers! ... ✌ Finally 1080p60 from Magewell..Let's see if the hype is up to snuf :)
I still use this card. For some reason it worked just fine recording PS3 gameplay on my Geforce RTX 1050Ti. I upgraded to an AMD RX 6600 and now throws a HDCP issue. Did a workaround by plugging my one monitor (2 HDMI) into my Intel IGP, and works just fine bypassing the HDCP for PS3 gameplay streaming. It's interesting that Windows 10 supports multiple gpus/igps and you can assign what GPU/IGP does what app.
I cant believe that this also was my first capture card, captured and uploaded my first gameplays to youtube with it! The Blackmagic external capture card from back then wasnt compatible with my PC so i went with the AverMedia. Funnily i actually purchased an AverMedia Live Gamer 4K just a few days ago, full circle after my Elgato HD60 i guess! :)
I still have my C027 in use next to my Epiphan DVI2PCIe. It was one of the few cards in 2010 that could support uncompressed DirectShow capture, which was becoming hard to find. (a trend that thankfully has been reversed due to the popularity of live streaming) It was $80.... and it did HDMI capture... sold. No onboard hardware encoding, but I specifically didn't want that! The card doesn't tolerate out-of-spec video though. 240p.... nope, OSSC above 2X scaling.....nope. Don't even think of hooking it up to a VHS player, it'll be dropped frame city without a TBC. You could also do multicam with it since the drivers split the HDMI/component and the composite/S-video inputs into separate devices.
USB webcams have the same problem (as you're well aware of). New ones released in 2018, 2019 (and probably still going forward)...aint no better than the 7 year old C920. Blaaaaaah. Cool vid!
There are better capture cards though, it's just that worse ones still exist too. As for webcams, I think the market kinda shrunk too much. For regular joe phone/laptop/pad camera does the trick and for streaming/media/some sort of production video capable camera (think mirrorless ala Sony A6xxx) + capture card seems to be the standard. So there's pretty much no market for webcams for manufacturers to pour money into (though I bet there is an abundance of semi decent couple-year-old phone sensors that could do much more than the current crop of webcams).
what's the video preview latency you get in the AVer MediaCenter 3D using the input HDMI with this capture card ? you made some benchmarks about this here : imgur.com/zbngRqR but I don't think it's a no lag video capture card. I used an AVerMedia C727 (same hardware as your C027) and I estimate the preview video latency around less 100ms.
For Retro Game Capture I would never use the internal scaler of capture cards, at least when it comes to Analog video, the OSSC and the Framemeister exist and make your life 50x easier than everything you can achieve with software in post production But damn, 720p60 looks crispy
well that's why the ideal situation was not having ANY scaler here. Software line-doubling/integer scaling is considered better by a lot of people than in the chain.
@@EposVox The OSSC is just a line doubler, but a very competent one at that Also an OSSC is like 120 bucks, cheaper than the wheels of a Gaming Chair and much more reliable
@@Suuhls I'm aware, I own multiple and am very involved in the scene. I also see the side of the coin of the enthusiasts that only use Datapath cards fine-tuned to per-game clocks to get pixel-accurate captures because they consider the scaling they can do manually a much preferrable solution
I have this card in my desktop and havent been able to use it for years because I lost the driver CD for it and cant find anything on the internet for it. Could you help me out? Which averTV should I use and how can I record my footage since it blocks the signal.
@@EposVox I remember searching for the c027 and not finding anything on their website at all about a month ago. I just did a search again and it came up. Thank you so much! Do you know what settings to select to get the uncompressed recording you mentioned in the video?
I've got this same capture card and I got it a couple years ago as a birthday gift. I wish I could use it more because I've become more of a Linux user, but I haven't found another device comparable to it. I've since gotten a chinese usb 3 capture card, but it only does HDMI. I still use mine for AV capture and off and on for HDMI capture when I'm livestreaming
currently, ya no se encuentra los drivers y el software en la página de AVERMEDIA. Por favor podrías subir el ISO del disco original del C027 a mediafire? o teráras el programa mas actualizado y driver mas actualizado que estaba para descargar en su página web?
TV-tuner is count as Capture Card? Them my first one is Aver 305, then Beholder 509 what i still use for composite consoles. Yeah, i know, i need buy Retrothink or something. For HDMI one, my first card is Avermedia C985, not great card whatsoever.
You gave me hope about the analog input, why? Now I'm sad... I have a really decent capture card for S-video, good image quality, without the need of any upscaler, the only problem is that only captures 30fps and is PCI, and I really want to upgrade my PC, I was seriously considering this capture card.
While they support their products for a long time, their service is terrible. They killed a lot of Avermedia Livegamer HD's (the one where they did the h264 compression on the card to save CPU usage) with buggy firmware that was required for things like full RGB range recording over HDMI resulting in a paperweight including a button that no longer works because it was only designed for their software. Big fan of their hardware as the old footage I have beats even the modern Relive HEVC codecs at similar bitrates, lost me as a customer due to the happening. Only thing I got from support was a confirmation that it was indeed bricked like many others. Not even a "We are sorry." Fuck that company.
Your mic sounds like crap in most of this video, and the capture card you opened has a way different pcb layout than the original one you pictured. How many revisions has it gone thru?
That moment when EposVox reviews that "crappy old capture card" you've been rocking for 6 years! Awww yisss!
SO fun story about this card, I've found over the years that there are custom drivers that allow you to completely ignore HDCP entirely. I can capture PS3 over HDMI without a HDCP stripper whatsoever. It's pretty neat! Wish I knew about the lossless recording format earlier, but I don't think I could have handled the massive files that would result anyway. I've enjoyed this little card for a while now, but it's certainly time for an upgrade. :)
I wish I had that back in 2010!!!! Would've been a lifesaver
HDCP should have been for encrypting copyrighted content on the PS3, not the entire fucking PS3.
This is so funny. The Avermedia C027 is the exact capture card I am using at this very moment. It is such a good product ad I prefer it over my Black magic Shuttle USB 3.0 hands down. The true test is running composite from an NES to the card and the card does not freak out.
For 720p60, it is still a wonderful capture card. I pair it up with my Sony camcorder pointed at my console and TV, to record alongside direct capture of a console.
I use this exact capture card today to capture my DSLR through HDMI.
Great Video. I have an old AverMedia H727 Card bought in 2012. This appears to a slightly upgraded model that also included an analog and digital tuner! At the time I was using it to capture Laserdiscs and VHS tapes. This card had a seriously good comb filter when using composite input. On par or better as my Panasonic SVHS recorder and DVD recorders, which were supposed to be among the best consumer devices. I later used it a bit for PS3 and Xbox 360 captures, and once I had a splitter that could strip HDCP I sometimes used to record stuff from my cable receiver. I still use it nowadays in an d SFF PC to capture OSSC footage. For some consoles 3x scaling works, but not all. 2x scaling works with more systems. Overall this was and still is a really good card.
When I was young I used to use the orginal ati capture card with a Pentium 133 editing VHS tapes with a Sony pro VHS with the shuttle log😎
I did enjoy the video! I used to 'capture' analog gaming via VHS so it's surprising that I haven't gotten into modern capture devices. Really too bad about the lack of proper 240p support. They obviously understand that it's a wanted feature. I've been dragging my feet getting a device in hopes of finding a mythical single device that can do all that I want. I want features that current cards have like 60 fps at 1080p at least, but I still want good analog support; I don't have external upscalers. From what I've seen, older cards don't support full 1080p/60 and newer cards have dropped analog. 😛
Heh, speaking of cards from 2009. My first one was BMD's Intensity Pro. That I changed a year later due to... well.. it had some very slight dithering problems.. that were quite a problem for a certain type of work at the time. And changed it to a much weirder and obscure card I still occasionally use today Foresight Imaging Accustream Express 170. Also of the same 2009 vintage. That was basically passed down to me for a project. And I bet it'll still outperform most 1080p capture cards today apart from a rather convoluted setup process. As a one sentence review for it - if you are willing to deal with it's software hoops and oddities - it's really great and totally flexible for any type of signal you can throw at it. Also as a side note it's also still supported and has new drivers/firmware releases on occasion (from what I gather it had some market share in medical applications). As for PS3 and pass-through I used Moome Mux-HD at the time. Any way as a closing idea, there were a lot of good capture cards back then that are occasionally popping up here and there for really cheap, and will likely satisfy most users nowdays.
I bought this card back in the day to capture my drumming videos on a camera that shoots 1080p/50...Then realized I could only use it as a 25p camera because the capture card is only 1080i...Totally killed the 50fps camera...
Now I've come back to this topic as I've just purchased the Magewell Pro Capture Quad Hdmi and I can't wait to use it..It's on it's way! 😍
Thank you, this video is awesome! I lately searched Avermedia Website for drivers and you're right.. they are fantastic at serving their user base when it comes to drivers! ... ✌
Finally 1080p60 from Magewell..Let's see if the hype is up to snuf :)
I still use this card. For some reason it worked just fine recording PS3 gameplay on my Geforce RTX 1050Ti. I upgraded to an AMD RX 6600 and now throws a HDCP issue. Did a workaround by plugging my one monitor (2 HDMI) into my Intel IGP, and works just fine bypassing the HDCP for PS3 gameplay streaming. It's interesting that Windows 10 supports multiple gpus/igps and you can assign what GPU/IGP does what app.
I cant believe that this also was my first capture card, captured and uploaded my first gameplays to youtube with it! The Blackmagic external capture card from back then wasnt compatible with my PC so i went with the AverMedia. Funnily i actually purchased an AverMedia Live Gamer 4K just a few days ago, full circle after my Elgato HD60 i guess! :)
I still have my C027 in use next to my Epiphan DVI2PCIe. It was one of the few cards in 2010 that could support uncompressed DirectShow capture, which was becoming hard to find. (a trend that thankfully has been reversed due to the popularity of live streaming) It was $80.... and it did HDMI capture... sold. No onboard hardware encoding, but I specifically didn't want that! The card doesn't tolerate out-of-spec video though. 240p.... nope, OSSC above 2X scaling.....nope. Don't even think of hooking it up to a VHS player, it'll be dropped frame city without a TBC. You could also do multicam with it since the drivers split the HDMI/component and the composite/S-video inputs into separate devices.
USB webcams have the same problem (as you're well aware of). New ones released in 2018, 2019 (and probably still going forward)...aint no better than the 7 year old C920. Blaaaaaah. Cool vid!
There are better capture cards though, it's just that worse ones still exist too. As for webcams, I think the market kinda shrunk too much. For regular joe phone/laptop/pad camera does the trick and for streaming/media/some sort of production video capable camera (think mirrorless ala Sony A6xxx) + capture card seems to be the standard. So there's pretty much no market for webcams for manufacturers to pour money into (though I bet there is an abundance of semi decent couple-year-old phone sensors that could do much more than the current crop of webcams).
That's a classic, i still have my dvc 100, bmi pro, and currently been using hd60pro all great (except black magic's support)
Does this work in Windows 10 (20H2)? I cannot get it to work. Drivers have vanished from AverMedia's site.
That is cool! If I ever find one somewhere I gonna test it :)
what's the video preview latency you get in the AVer MediaCenter 3D using the input HDMI with this capture card ? you made some benchmarks about this here : imgur.com/zbngRqR but I don't think it's a no lag video capture card. I used an AVerMedia C727 (same hardware as your C027) and I estimate the preview video latency around less 100ms.
For Retro Game Capture I would never use the internal scaler of capture cards, at least when it comes to Analog video, the OSSC and the Framemeister exist and make your life 50x easier than everything you can achieve with software in post production
But damn, 720p60 looks crispy
well that's why the ideal situation was not having ANY scaler here. Software line-doubling/integer scaling is considered better by a lot of people than in the chain.
@@EposVox The OSSC is just a line doubler, but a very competent one at that
Also an OSSC is like 120 bucks, cheaper than the wheels of a Gaming Chair and much more reliable
@@Suuhls I'm aware, I own multiple and am very involved in the scene.
I also see the side of the coin of the enthusiasts that only use Datapath cards fine-tuned to per-game clocks to get pixel-accurate captures because they consider the scaling they can do manually a much preferrable solution
I have this card in my desktop and havent been able to use it for years because I lost the driver CD for it and cant find anything on the internet for it. Could you help me out? Which averTV should I use and how can I record my footage since it blocks the signal.
The drivers are on AVerMedia's website - as with most products
@@EposVox I remember searching for the c027 and not finding anything on their website at all about a month ago. I just did a search again and it came up. Thank you so much! Do you know what settings to select to get the uncompressed recording you mentioned in the video?
i have the same card and it was also my first. It’s SO GOOD. Especially for the time it came out and it was only $100
I've got this same capture card and I got it a couple years ago as a birthday gift. I wish I could use it more because I've become more of a Linux user, but I haven't found another device comparable to it. I've since gotten a chinese usb 3 capture card, but it only does HDMI. I still use mine for AV capture and off and on for HDMI capture when I'm livestreaming
Just use Windows 10
@@GentlemanGaming1122 that is quite possibly the least helpful comment to ever exist.
I still use mine for streaming NES, Genesis, SNES, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, & GameCube games.
What drivers did you end up using? Trying to set this up on Windows 10.
Hey! If compare with 10 times more in price card of same family, model CL311-M2 how do you think is it worth it?
7.50Am order placed .... You really had a dream about a RUclips career
Well yeah! Plus I was still in school so I would've been up anyway :P
in 2021 work with las version of power director/sony vegas/adobe premiere ??
currently, ya no se encuentra los drivers y el software en la página de AVERMEDIA.
Por favor podrías subir el ISO del disco original del C027 a mediafire?
o teráras el programa mas actualizado y driver mas actualizado que estaba para descargar en su página web?
Doesn't have protection on the other conector because you pick one and cover the one that is not been use on most scenarios for future use.
Pink-colored bubble wraps usually have some anti-static coating
Do you have any recommendations for a complete pc system to edit 360 video? If yes, please provide your referral links. Thanks, Kevin
TV-tuner is count as Capture Card? Them my first one is Aver 305, then Beholder 509 what i still use for composite consoles. Yeah, i know, i need buy Retrothink or something.
For HDMI one, my first card is Avermedia C985, not great card whatsoever.
could this be used with a streaming pc?
Yes Sir!
I still have one of these lol. The adapter for other ports fell apart probably in 2013
Ouch! Mine never broke on my original
@@EposVox It wasn't really treated all that well. I still kept using it for HDMI for around a year or two
work with vhs through av ?
You gave me hope about the analog input, why? Now I'm sad... I have a really decent capture card for S-video, good image quality, without the need of any upscaler, the only problem is that only captures 30fps and is PCI, and I really want to upgrade my PC, I was seriously considering this capture card.
u have to De-Interlace in order to get 60fps
Nice, a GN Modmat.
Of course!
The days of Flash Media Encoder and Wirecast if you had the key lol
Wait, Windows 10 was out in 2009!??.....DAMN!!
..no?
no tha capture card came out in 2009 not W10
12:07 LMAO
Oh dang. I've got one of those still.
Still in use?
@@EposVox Sadly no. Rocking a LGX2 happily. Crap, I remember doing live plays of Dead Space 1 on that thing. oooof my emotions... the memories.
Hope there are giveaways for those who live in poor regions
While they support their products for a long time, their service is terrible.
They killed a lot of Avermedia Livegamer HD's (the one where they did the h264 compression on the card to save CPU usage) with buggy firmware that was required for things like full RGB range recording over HDMI resulting in a paperweight including a button that no longer works because it was only designed for their software.
Big fan of their hardware as the old footage I have beats even the modern Relive HEVC codecs at similar bitrates, lost me as a customer due to the happening.
Only thing I got from support was a confirmation that it was indeed bricked like many others. Not even a "We are sorry." Fuck that company.
Got this for $15 on ebay auction
Nice!
First
Wow so you like playing hack and slash games, like DmC.
It is one such game that I enjoy, yes?
@@EposVox wow, we are the same. i am a dmc fan. to sad other fanboys doesnt like this game
Your mic sounds like crap in most of this video, and the capture card you opened has a way different pcb layout than the original one you pictured.
How many revisions has it gone thru?