This Is Why Nina And Anna Are Godlike Online Characters
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you can feel mainman's rage even when he is only in practice
He always does this kind of videos when he rages internally, im not surprised
no pun intended
Its pointing out the stupidity of the game
General rule for Williams string spammers the 2nd hit is mostly high or low. Hold df for the 2nd hit. If it's a high ws punish it if it's low you will low parry it. But like tmm said it's hard online.
Its hard to do on reaction, especially when you’re fighting a laggy player.
@@McDo Aren't all Williams laggy players?
NaClman 82 facts. You can step or parry most of their strings. If you have a reversal use that too if you’re hard read is good.
The thing with Nina is that most of her strings can be finished with her mid launcher , making this strategy a bit more dangerous than with anna
I'll keep this in mind. Thank you
Ah yes nina williams and snake edge williams
TMM you say this, but I feel this applies to Hwoarang too. Most Hwoarangs I encounter online (around Fujin) lack the fundamentals they're supposed to have on that level, because he's got 100+ spammable strings, infinites, and insane pressure. Learning the Hwo match up if T7 is your first Tekken is worse than both Williams in my opinion.
7 isn't my first tekken and I still can't do shit against him despite maining him in the past
I'm a Hwo main and even i have trouble dealing with opponents that pick him lmao
Hwo is a very versatile character and actually very good fundamental tools for poking jabs db3 df1 , good mid and high ch launchers with b4 and f1+2, if a hwo player goes into flamingo with jabs or df1, you can disrespect but you have to pick the right move for the situation, like if they go for lows or hell sweep you can jab, df1, ss, dickjab, hopkick, or ch launch, you can sidestep his mids reliably but watch out for powercrush, if the hwo use d34 to start pressure its best to get a read when the will do the string and just low parry. When playing against hwos without fundamentals they tend to do unsafe shit be impatient and hang themselves, so sidesteps on his ff4 kill them, also being careful of his b3 as hwos will throw that out with no issue, a scary hwo is a hwo with a good throw game, fundamentals, and good use of plus frames
Hwo really based his offense off of basically 1 move d3,4 a couple of others but that’s how he gets in to his fla stance while both of these characters have strings that end plus on block. Truth is if your letting hwo just string you along the whole game your just letting him get away with a lot of stuff because most of his stuff from stance can be sidewalked, ducked, or is a really see able low. You don’t need as much technical skill to fight against hwo like you do here.
Plus I didn’t mention how punishable most things are
He definitely got his ass beat by a Anna / Nina because towards the end of the video felt personal 😭😭😭😭
SNKRWOLF Fran basically ran circles around him when they did a session before lol. 🤷🏽♂️
he got folded by FRAN 😂
"If you're on a 3 bar there's no better character"
Ps4 is basically 3 bar exclusive
Gloooorry!
Agree
I play both PC and PS4 and no truer words have been said
@@TheicMoggy is it really that much of a different? Could make a comparison for me to image the difference?
@@fanboy7718 I'm a Nina main lol. iWS+1s on PS4 need to be looped like a frame faster than PC.
17:53 online is already pretty toxic please don't give bad ideas to people lol
Lmao
Nina and Anna are assassin queens, since I was a kid I loved how their assassination background is reflected in their gameplay
How to beat Anna and Nina?
Answer: give them space and they lose. they lack range (especially Anna)
There’s a reason why Anna says “come over here. let me talk to you REAL CLOSE”
AlphonsePride lol okay. Clearly you don’t play tekken. Everyone knows that they lack range so they have to be close to their opponents to play right. Nina has better range tho. But Anna is literally the worst in tekken when it comes to range.
Not my Nina ha! I will literally poison mist you while moving forward. Once you master or have a good grasp of the unique ss1 movement you can intimidate your opponent from rushing in and stop them from running away at least with Nina. Anna who I play religiously can also move forward with qcf and she can chaos judgement cancel forward also as well as roll to you into her full crouch power crush mid that’s -14. They have ways to approach you while charging special direction inputs at higher ranks. Spacing them out is good but you can be chased down.
19-5 -96 I can’t let you say Anna has the worst range...Miguel is the number 1 when it comes to worst range
Dan Angelo I play both Miguel and Anna. His range is bad as well but Anna’s worse.
Lmaoo at Mainman complimenting the computer when the it tags him with certain attacks as if it’s an Actual player you’ve got to be going mad 😂😂
I have an anna friend i always fight against , he uses qcf3,2 to bait a ch launcher , and can cheeze you with her hellsweep and ws2 at range 3. Also note that her ff343 can clip you trying to sidestep with its long range as well. df12 to keep you honest and df12 into high or mid mixup to check your mu knowledge. Her qcf 1 is a high ch launcher that is around +2 on block and on whiff it recovers faster than an electric as well. Good for going in or keepout
I can still duck the Williams online. Xiaoyu on the other hand...
I have to say, ive been playing Anna for so long now and if you try to play her legit she is just so linear.
I dont remember me ever using the d3 string ever because i just thought its just spam and abusement of a lack of matchup knowledge.
What im trying to say is, yes its easy to cheese your way up with her but actually trying to play legit with her is a challenge.
Exactly. Mainman is defining character difficulty soley on the basis that everyone wants to cheese and abuse macthup knowledge while running away from those that know the character.
Newmaker its cheese if you just spam the move for the hell of it, its another if you use the plus frames or the mental frame advantage to set things up like a ss, ch, delayed ch, throw, mixup.
That if true for both nina and anna. I don't even use nina's strings despite being only in green ranks cause i know i will get blown up for them once i start plying against good players
The Williams sisters are based around confusion and mixups are they not? If that interpretation is correct then the entire match is a knowledge test if your skilled with the chars (using different strings, cancel timings, creating specialized situations ext).
07citychamp i agree, many of her strings allow her to cancel into ss backsway which is very technical, I feel like every character can be played cheesy solid, or somewhere in between
I think Anna strings are way better they offer more frame advantage
Josie, Katarina and Lucky Chloe (and basically all female characters except Kazumi) are very similar to the Williams sisters. Lots of abusable strings, lows and crazy crushing moves.
durdukyeretahrik literally every character has abusable bullshit in low ranks, no need to single out female characters
Katarina has no abusable strings that is not hard to counter lol she has 3 good low which are d3, fcdf4, d4 and 2 of them are neutral on hit and one is minus on hit. 444 string is not that great anymore and if she goes into har, you can swr every option. So try again lol do some labbing fam
Yes but no
I would correct it to "all the female chars have a very annoying and harrassing style to play against". I would say this because off the top of my head Katarina only has a hand full of strings with no mix up and high risk high reward lows, kasumi is basically like hwoarang but doesn't need a stance to get her pressure going.
Don't think that Julia has abusable strings though
Ling doesn't have abusable strings
I still think fighting Laws and Alisa online are by far the worst, for some strange reason even if they appear as 4-5 bars there's either some stutters or a pretty big delay vs them from my experience.
How does TMM pull off such cheese. It makes you question these higher tier players.
When yellow/green ranks in Australia (notorious for bad net lmao) can block Anna's snake edge with ease when I use her you know something wrong is going on in EU lmao
Hes in FreEU thats why
A lot of these EU TGP players would struggle against Vanquishers on USA. And US isn't even that great at Tekken lmao.
Ok. I‘m learning Nina now!
jk
This online cheese nonsense aside, she is actually a deep & technical character. Less now than previous, but in general, she is meant to be used in a diverse manner. Her moveset is up there, and it's quite interesting exploring the use of her sway, crouch dash and strings.
I did tried this experiment....and I don’t know if the difference of the region, in red ranks, people were able to deal with these strings easily, and not to mention, its very hard to get in with nina as her approach tools are not that good, i main king and kazumi and i am in purple ranks, but i could never reach purples with nina.
i know you posted it one year ago but tmm forgets about very important aspect of the game which is Lei existing, f*cking Xiaoyu existing, Hwoarang existing, Asuka backflips, gimmicky stuff, almost safe sweeps, -6 hopkick, never ending strings, lucky chloe launching from pretty much everything for 100 damage combo with 1234 execution, heihachi pressure, entirety of Paul etc.
I genuinely think he made this video for memes or views because it's literally just clowning to say that 1 string will make u to high ranks when all the characters I listed above have much more braindead and noob-killing tools. Nina is one of the characters you see THE LEAST in the game. Why is that? I thought she's easy to win wth and op. If you can't handle nina's one string how will u handle any character? lol U have to know king's throw breaks command u can't remember to fucking duck the ONE nina string? XD
If you use her sidestep crap you can probably be pretty good. She's very hard to hit with a homing move when she gets sidestep crazy.
9:43 is when TMM will have nightmares of Anna's snake edge
Forgot about Nina ✂️ hands.
When mainman is getting pissed on a training dummy, you know shit is real
There is one guy online in india....he is a nina and anna player...He thinks using strings and setups are fundamentals....and movement , keepout and effective poking is cheese..
Name
Thicc Sisters
When facing an Anna player. It gets much scarier when they apply crouch df 2 and cjm into these broken spam mixups
Its gotten to the point to where If you have a soiled defense you can get The TGPrank. These Guys are getting the Max rank with a Vanquisher level offense with these characters.
Whats the point in cheesing to high ranks though, you'll just get bodied by anyone who knows what theyre doing at all. Once a good player knows where they can duck vs anna for example you're fucked and you'll slide back to lower ranks. Just not my idea of fun personally.
Exactly. And really I feel no-one wants to play just spamming the same two cheesy strings over and over again like mainman does. It's fucking boring as shit and you're not learning the character or the game at all.
Some people don't care about skill, they just want to win with as little effort as possible
@@Gamblore101 you'd be surprised by online people
That's the thing. Online players don't care that they get bodied as long as it works on someone else. In their mind, it will work eventually. It's the reason why you see people with 5k+ wins and still not even at least an emperor. You can guarantee that they are stubborn string users, and don't care if they get punished or not. They know that not everyone will have those good reactions to punish the string so they don't care about the losses.
I guess it depends how many of the TGP players are actually highly skilled. I wouldn't be shocked in any way to hear that 70%+ got there based on rank grind alone.
high rank players who can not deal with two strings? the qeustion is are they really a high rank player... there are enough good players on pc i played them and they step and punish like everything i do that makes you a strong player and learn the character that you dont need those strings anymore to win... those strings are use by people in low tier ranks i really think that for a lot of people there rank is mutch to high for them.
He did say beginner and intermediate but i agree
if ive learnt anything about eu online tekken is that its a joke. Being a "High level" player means you can counter green rank strings apparently.
@@someguy666 I think he just means you won't find many lower levels that know how to guard it, rather than saying you're required to be a high level. I get you, but there's also a correlation.
Damn, you're exposing my secrets (devote Anna + Nina player for 20+ years).
Lol same
@CR1 I feel like there's so few of us that have mained hed for so long.
@@GolfR-eady and the ones who mained williams are the only true tekken gods. Even the lower ranked ones, if they continue to practice for long periods of time it will be VERY rewarding
@@lawnylawnington Agreed.
Using the power of Fundamentals, I hopkick when fighting the Williams
Yep... That works.
Wow. I really didn’t know Anna at all. That snake edge gave me such a hard time and I didn’t understand how I couldn’t block it even when I concentrated on it. Felt like the animation was somehow weird but hearing that from you now kind of explains it. I‘ll be better prepared for online Annas now lol. Grosse Matches.
He is right. I switched my main from King to Nina and I am at a higher rank because of the switch.
Love the Willams and very good with them.
As an Anna player who had no idea how stupid my character is, I am so sorry for the ranks I stole
As long as you didn't ki charge or ragequit it's fine, no need to apologize. If anything, we need more players like you to learn the matchup
@@Sandartic Thanks. Means a lot
If you love your character you should never say he/she is stupid. Don't listen to anyone, keep playing whoever you love without having to apologize.
I'm an Eddy player and I should have killed myself for all the scrubs who still think it's Tag 2 😅
@@christian1329 I mostly play Anna and Eliza and I'm sure you get what I mean when I say you can't help but feel like you get away with murder on some of your moves lol
what u apologizing for? those 2 bar laws didn't apologize to you?
As someone who plays the Williams sisters beyond just spamming, I agree that the can opener (u/f 4,3,4) and the easy prey (d 3,4,3 and d 3,4,1, for Nina and Anna respectively) Are op strings online. I honestly wouldn't mind if they got nerfed. Make it so the last two hits of the can opener aren't natural and the 3rd hit of the easy prey string can be interrupted by jabs. Those nerfs would only really bother lame, string spammy players and the less of them we see online, the better.
Finally someone with common sense. Cheers dude.
They are op if either your op doesn't know what to do or you're playing below 5 bars, so most of the time.
I hope they do that but i have a feeling that 70% of Nina players are spammers so her character usage will be on life support if they nerf her cheese.
As an Anna main, I disagree wholeheartedly. Those strings have been in the Tekken games since forever, so if you are getting owned by a move that is older than a lot of tekken players, then you can only blame yourself for that.
@@iamshadowbanned699 Maybe it helped that people didnt play Tekken 1 online. The problem is that most people cant punish it online(canopener). So we can act that it isnt a big deal because amazing players can block it online, or we actually help the spammers and victims by making it not get the high or more reactable since it doesnt have any use outside of spam. In return maybe Anna and Nina can get some buffs for offline tekken.
As an Anna player, yeah, I will say that it takes a while for people to realize you can side walk and duck almost all of her strings after the first hit or whatever the jailing strikes are.
For example, one of her best strings for keeping distance is df3,3,3 which can end in 4 for a high knockdown or nothing to maintain distance. You can just duck the 4 if she ever presses it. And she is actually -10, so if she tries to mix it up by doing df2 to catch you ducking you can CH her with almost anything.
The reason Anna is low on a lot of tier lists is because the people making them assume you know the matchup and that she doesn't great options in neutral, or standard launch at 15f.
However, if she gets started on her pressure and you don't know what's going on, she gets incredible damage if you learn her crouch cancel Chaos Judgement or WS3, CJM combos into qcf1, while also having great oki in terms of reward if she is right.
If she is wrong in most of her situations, however, she just dies. Playing Anna safe doesn't yield great rewards in the long term because she often pushes herself outside of range 0 and range 1 or they just backdash out of pressure, so you end up playing russian roulette and either winning big or dying hard.
Most people ignore Anna though, so they don't realize how unsafe she is and get overwhelmed by just...things happening.
i was death matching an anna last night & he was destroying me. then i started stepping left 😂
@@tylersadx yep. Stepping left is her kryptonite. Heck, being slightly off axis will make her combos drop half the time.
The more you play Anna, the more you realize she just kinda sucks, but has really high damage, so she can delete you really fast. However, she has no real panick buttons other than hellsweep, and if they're mashing mids on you, Anna can't escape that like Claudio can by just hop kicking.
Her punishment is also awful until frame 14, where she has way too many punish options that need to be moved to frame 13 or 12 because she has nothing at those punishment speeds that reaches significantly or does any appreciable damage.
Still my favorite character though. She always seems like she is having fun.
If they duck I'll mix them up with down back + 3+4 and down back + 4, 4 (4,3 for a true 50/50).
Just mixup these moves with random throws and you have a recipe for success.
That's why they don't come to play offline ever
I'm just reached Reverend Ruler with Nina, I think I'll pat myself on the back for that
Any promo is a good one, sincerely be proud
Congrats
I could not understand how to fight these characters and now I know why
Noctis/Kazuya player complains about Anna, ok.
Anna has terrible power crashes, her range of attack is super-short, Dragunov's punches have more range than Anna's kicks. Anna is super-unsafe, wall bounces are unusable, she is very weak against sidestep. She doesn't have fast launchers and her main launchers work only on counter-hit. Half of her moves has Claudio and another half with improvements has Law. If you play against blind people who have fake TGP rank, it's not Anna problem.
That highcrush at 7:38 is the reason I get launched from that sweep. Its pretty bs.
yeah happens a lot because even at 0 distance they do a sweep and your mind tells you to do a jab poke at so close range
Because buttons...
Nonstop buttons...
RekkaKien3 b1 bro
Thx tmm for helping me a noob who started 5 months ago and am blue rank already and will reach green rank soon.
And I'm a king main tried way too many charecters only king fit my style. Also lil majin helped too
Generally when people in the community say blue ranks , they refer to the Ranks just below Tekken God
The one you refer to (Mentor to Grand Master) are generally said to be just "low ranks"
@@Gorecatto Only getting there in 5 months though, that's an oof tbh
blue rank in 5 months. "already" XD
@@totalymew well he is new to tekken , took me 2 years to get to yellow ranks (but it was in tag 2 , things were waaaaay different back then)
I hate these easy to play hard to counter chars... But that's Tekken
Great vid, more like this and we bring Anna down the MU tier'ings
@@cero1104 MatchUps
@@cero1104 ruclips.net/video/8Wo3Xg1OySE/видео.html
I just got exposed with my pocket nina. Poor girl....
Ganun talaga
Yeah, in the right hands, Nina and Anna can be frightening online, especially their pressure. A lot of people don’t really mess with Nina and Anna because of their high execution. If you want the most of them, they require a lot of commitment especially Nina.
They have great mixups and pokes that can catch you off guard if you aren’t paying attention or slow to react. Lastly, if you get their cancels down especially Nina’s you can take them to the next level with their tricks, mixups and pressure. Add in some chain grapples which are sadly easy to break for some reason and throws as well.
Infinite Surge Anna? Execution? Yeah it's not Katarina but come on.
"A lot of people don’t really mess with Nina and Anna because of their high execution" If we follow this logic there would be al lot less Mishimas, Bryans, Geese and Akumas. Nobody likes them exept the people who play them. Simple as that.
Execution. hahahaha
Anna can be a tricky character to play properly especially if you want to utilize all her tools like the judgement stance. Maybe I should of said more of a, “ learning curve” with Anna. Anna does have tough advanced combos to execute that require near impeccable timing on the execution though.
Then again, could be Tekken players for whatever reason might not like their fighting styles or possibly aesthetics as well. Also, is behind a paywall, so that can contribute as well.
@@CrustyCheese1991 ...I mean I have heard from people that there difficult to use and people have been dropping anna due to her learning curve since season 2. There only easy if you spam as main man said.
Anna can even crush Bryans Orbital. I'm a Bryan Main and it happend to me a lot of times. It sometimes just crushes it.
anna vortex lmaooo
The vortex of what string u choose to use
@@camilomarchesi1793 Mixup not vortex. Vortex is such a silly term.
@@atuls55 I imagine vortex is intended to be more of a metaphor for mix up than it is a real technical word choice. Based on the fact I don't remember anyone using the term until TMM did
I thought i was the only one having problems fighting the william sisters, its true that they are hard to deal with. Specifically with 4 bars and those strings are very hard to punish
Me too
Me 3 King player T_T
i agree with this vid, back in ttt2 i was a dragunov/heihachi main and i got warrior, with a shit ton of losses and i met a nina/anna player with fujin rank over 100 wins, wha the fcuk
The first string is new for Tekken 7. She only had d3, 4 in previous games and it was -6 on block.
You are SPOT tf on here! Anna's worse for me to fight than Nina, Anna's mixup game is too wicked.
And I thought I was the only one who had issues blocking Anna's SE. It takes me a few frames of animation to recognize just what she's doing and once I do recognize the move it's too late.
15:20 Don't think I am that much of a high level player but I blow up every Nina player that tries to use that move even once. I can't really explain it but to me personally it's so telegraphed that I duck the high with like 95% probability which makes many of them rather helpless. To be really successful with Nina one has to do a lot of complex stuff that was only worth learning back in T6 and TTT2 times when she (Nina) was like top tier. I remember people rating her as S-tier in like 2012 along with Devil Kazuya. I have a friend who droped Anna in favour of Kazumi. They might have no future in the series unfortunately.
Nina and Anna are veterans. At least Nina will be in the next game.
They both better be in there. Especially Anna. They are fun to use and I can’t see tekken without the Williams. They are literally the only female characters I like.
Well, folks you're in minority so it's a real risk unfortunately. You can't really make them strong without making hella broken in T7 system unless they'd be completely remade. I like them myself despite not playing them. They've been the most realistic female fighters in the franchise up until Kazumi. Come to think of it, even compared to Kazumi.
@@Mr440c Kazumi's a totally lame character. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't make it into the next game. Lame movelist and lame tiger lol.
@@holden6104 Well that's like your oppinion, man. She's just too fundamentally focused. She has a very small movelist, incredibly simple gameplan that revolves around poking. She's all about being practical. Her visual design does not serve very well either. That traditional japanese stuff looks too oldfashioned. However I can't help but appreciate her realistic shotokan karate animations (e.g. WR 2) and the fact that she's the only new character that does not have cheap hopkick encouraging unga bunga gameplay. Kazumi has great foundation. It better be some other hachijo demonesse (with no tigers prefferably) but same fighting style and some spicy new moves and visual appeal in T8 or smth like that.
You also forgot with nina, naturally her moves crush everything, so don't press buttons
This game is frustrating to play online especially when you're moves get crushed and you know for a fact that you hit them. And you get robbed out of the match. And people ki charge or taunt but they don't realize that if it wasn't for the crazy hit box in this game, none of them wouldn't get those lucky wins, because the majority of them can't backdash, they just tap back twice and throw out random unsafe moves. And since it's online they can get away with it
If your moves get crushed then you never hit them to begin with
@@Tongue.Tornado it all depends on lag too. Sometimes you can throw the move before they throw their crushing move out and you'll still get hit even though you can clearly see that your move hit them first
Lei's snake edge is 20 frames
18:14 this is why I subbed to main man years ago 😁😁😁😁
Thanks for tips on how to own online as Anna 😂
Damn that Nina pic in thumbnail is very seductive ❤
t6 anna was even worse with her tracking unblockables lol
nina apologists claim that nina is hard to use just because of her cancels. but that doesn't change the fact she is prone to string spam
Nina has some hard stuff. iSW 1, ss1 cancels, hayashida step, the purple poison, set-ups... But she also has easy stuff that'll make any online player rage quit.
Their strings really aren't that bad...... its their df1/df12 and overall quick poke game which makes their pressure top tier... for instance, Nina has no mid options from df3, and once you duck the second hit, you can interrupt both her options with a ws launch....... way easier to react to that than to react to a lot of Negan strings, who you won't really hear TMM complain about.
Negan strings arent plus on block and dont have low/mid mixup
And besides not having strings with lows he doesnt have any hellsweeps or snake edges alone
The real problem starts when you want to defend the first low to stop their poke game. Good luck doing this online and then you eat the high or launcher. They get guaranteed low damage this way online. Offline it becomes easier.
I had a long session with my kazumi vs a nina and my normal poke strategy does not work since she evades all jab pokes with her strange animations and evasive moves. I also had the feeling that all trade situations favored her heavily. Example we did rage-art vs power crush and kazumi lost. Do it vice versa and kazumi lost again. Launch trades she also won or was so off-axis that juggles did not connect anymore. Really annoying to play.
@TheMainManSwe you have them all at 100. Put the moves at 20 to randomize them more
Also Anna player here....Not that good but I manage to give some people a headache..Usually get a lot of messages afterwards that I'm spamming...especially with the d+3 or d+4 delay and then the f+2 which counter crushes. Trying to mix it up a lot but you can people suddenly back off because they need to be careful against Anna. The cat stance into ff 3 is also a move that a lot of people get caught by...
I love playing Nina. I do feel out opponents by testing them with strings and ss1 cancels. It is good to find opponents who can counter that stuff as you have to play her differently.
literally everyone ducks that string and crotch jabs. The crotch jab cancels the last hit...
they are other stonger characters with better cheese and range imo
but ok..
@@jacenreyes6378 I didnt say he cant talk about them.
so what?they are still trash characters doesent make it any better if there are worse characters.and just out of curiosity who is better at spam than this 2?
@@random-xm5mpdude we have a whole Hwoarang
@@random-xm5mp You see? This is the mentality that tmm attracts. People really just don't appreciate the actual depth of these characters. It's all about cheese, and how "spammable" they are when most of this shit falls off in ruler ranks. Can we discuss something more beneficial to the discussion? Like Nina's Oki, tech traps, wall game, setups and neutral game? How about some actual knowledge getting thrown into the mix instead of tmm making the same video for the 7th time?
@@VS-cx7pd Cause its not needed to get to high ranks lol. Everyone else is at blue ranks while Anna and Nina are wayyyy above at the same fucking level. Because its impossible to defend against her
"She immediately goes down" - That's a good girl
Main man show some respect! Nina is the only tekken character to have its own standalone video game death by degrees remember that? lol that should be your next video
Nina needs to rest.. its annas time to shine in tekken 8
Good to know that at least Anna trades certain things compared to Nina, she has a snakes edge and a panic hip check in turn to not have any standard 15f launchers.
My unique experience from T7 ranked on PC - I see Russian Nina, I lose.
Have you played kuni. She is pretty hard to punish offline let alone online. The problem with kunimitsu's online is they dont use her strings
Uh, how do you compare online Williams to online Law?
The practice mode simulated lag option and online lag are really not the same thing from my experience. Practice mode lag feels a lot worse and is not a true reflection of a 4 bar.
I definitely have to disagree with that
@@Jonathan-cz4ky It will vary depending on your own internet, and console or PC but for me practice mode 4 bar and 3 bar especially feel worse than what online 4 bar or 3 bar feel like most of the time.
atuls55 It’s not so much your own individual internet but where you are located in the world. Tekken servers are not very good to be honest, and only those near one have decently low latency in comparison.
With lag, can opener is one of the best moves in the game.
Also he didn't cover how Anna's can opener can be canceled after the 2nd low hit, to do true mixup (can do high, low, low)
@@Pikachu-qr4yb Nina's is even better since you can cancel the 2nd hit into sidestep and go into snakeshot stuff. I love doing uf+4 by itself to bait the duck and hesitation. Great advancing move, especially near the end of the round when people are expecting can opener cheese.
Anna Nina main and I love it! I don't mind if they are spammable, their jabs are their bread n butter.
Here we go again. We've been over this before. You discussed this many times before in your other videos trying to downplay Nina players. You didn't talk about Anna before, but you talked about Nina. Nina is way harder to win with online and in person than Anna is. Yes, Anna's db3 sweep is pretty ridiculous, but so are a lot of other snake edges. Anna also has some other cheap things that you fail to go over like d41 CAT into +1 frames on hit and her mixups from CAT stance. Anna is WAY easier to win with online and in person than Nina is, so yes it is offensive that you put them in the same category. They're 2 totally different characters in terms of difficulty. Anna also doesn't require a lot of execution, while Nina does, but that's another topic.
Now let's talk about the points you discussed in your video. Nina and Anna both have d343 and d341, respectively. The last hit on Anna's can be side stepped to her right, but one thing you got wrong about Nina is that it can't be stepped to her right. It actually can be stepped in both directions. You just didn't step far enough. You need to side walk. You say that only high level players will do this, which is correct, BUT I've fought many low level players online that ducked the 2nd hit and launched punished me. In season 1, people were ducking and punishing that in the yellow ranks. Come on now, TMM...it's not that hard for most people. Again, there's a huge difference in the level of competition in the UK compared to the level of competition in America. Most American players online are good against the Nina. d32 is not a good mixup because it's still very punishable at -13. df34_3+4_4 are not spammable either. Most players I've played online have ducked the 2nd hit and launched me for even trying it. The can opener is the only one that a lot of players get hit by, but again, here in America, once you make it to the blue ranks and beyond, most players block the 2nd hit and punish. Two totally different experiences. Even if the 2nd and 3rd hit connect, it's does a tiny amount damage. It's plus frames afterward, but the opponent is pushed so far away, I don't get what the problem is. Nina doesn't have any good follow-ups or flow charts after it connects. I'm not sure about Anna. I don't use her like that. Literally everything Nina does afterward is very unsafe. It's the same thing with d343. Yeah, it's +2 on block but so what? She doesn't have any good flow charts when it's blocked. Everything she does is very unsafe. A lot of players reverse the last hit, or they duck the 2nd hit and launch punish it. Nina's wipe the floor is extremely punishable on block, and she has to be ducking to do it, which makes it easy for some people to see. Even if the wtf does connect, it doesn't do a lot of damage on regular hit, nor does it have any juggle potential. It has to CH to juggle. Kazuya can do an instant hell sweep into a juggle at the wall, which is crazy.
It just seems like you're picking on the Williams sisters, and you're picking on the people who use them. Generally speaking, they're weak characters in comparison to a lot of other characters. They're nowhere near as good as Kazuya, for instance. Kazuya can do the same 5 or 10 moves over and over again and get TGP. Hellsweep, electric, axe kick, ws2, twin piston to launch almost every low on block, f4 from a very long distance to CH, db4, etc. With Nina and Ann, you have to learn and master a lot more than that. You think otherwise, though, because your competition in the UK is pretty terrible against the Williams sisters. They don't know how to punish anything that the Williams sisters do. It's totally different in America. As I said before, if you were playing the way you do with the Nina, but you were doing it here in America, you would not make it out of the red or ruler ranks. It's a totally different level of competition.
TMM is Swedish and lives in Sweden, the entity is called EU, not UK 😂 Apart from that, I can only say that after trying to play Anna after years of Kaz, it wasn't easy at all
Yeah I was thinking the same thing to. As an anna main in the American region people have been blocking her moves constantly through good reads(even in high green ranks).
Hey alright, thanks
ShaolinPrince 777 thanks for such and great explanation, very well said, I don’t see any issues with the above, mainmain talks some shit about things he has issues with, Any Nina main knows the disadvantages of each of those moves, I don’t use them often, I use any move my opponent has issues with, if it makes them angry and they fail to react properly then I’ll promote it as the lead move in my strategy, also, I can’t count how many times wipe the floor as been blocked online, heck I have to mask it in order to get it some times.
Just press alt+f4 or don't rematch, I'm on purple and I found 3 Nina and Anna in 1100 match
Just fought a 3 bar Anna and it was like fighting aids, almost impossible to punish or interrupt with the fucking lag
This endless campaign against the williams jus isn't selling. Mainly cuz they're usually easily interrupted by crouch jabs. Even that D+3,4,1 or 4 can be interrupted by a crouch jab even on hit...
if anything playing against a nina and anna are good measures of how fundamentally strong you are as a player
DreStreaming i was able to get the better of an anna last night. almost got to fujin before he decided to leave lol
@@tylersadx nice one
Not really if you've never played against them before and have no character knowledge
@@Geenrem dont forget they are LEGACY CHARACTERS. if youve never played against a nina or anna your obviously a new player, what fundamentals are you going to have? so you've just proven my point
@@drestreaming8153 not necessarily never but rarely which most online players have even in TGP which tmm has proved, the same thing applies to lei who also has alot of mixups and low playrate and even tgp players struggle against him (including tmm btw). Tmm also demonstrated that even if you have the character knowledge online delay makes it really hard to counter them, the williams's and lei are also his 3 characters hes reached TGP the fastest with and most effortlessly and I wouldn't say tgp players have no fundamentals
14:57 Given the mid is slower than the low, I think youre mentally expected to block low but react to the mid in case she goes for that option.
i tried these 2 strings in practice mode - i could not get it right, that i could comfortly block both options - i think its really really hard
I'm waiting on tmm to use our beautiful waifu Eliza.
He tried playing her on stream but lost a bunch so he switched to Ganryu
Probably the only character he won't get to tgp honestly, which sucks because she's fun as hell to use
She is waaayy to hard and bad he will never prove anything with her , he thinks she is cheesy but he just sucks i know her in and out she is soooo easy to fight u can interrupt some of her strings and everything is punishable and divekick is super backdashable into punish its so easy
Paulo Teixeira that is true for both eliza and nina. Tmm is just a crybaby
@@iragabelic7442 yet you're still watching his videos lol
I thought you were going to discuss anna's mixups or nina's wall carry or something interesting
I feel like Nina's wall carry wouldn't be 3 bar friendly, gotta keep context in mind
Even Anna judgment stance that gives her a fast hard hitting two piece low that is natural combo and can be mixed up by mids ....these characters are absolutely ridiculous and must be renovated for balancing....too lazy
Anna is very duckable and punishable, although she doesn't have to go for low moves as much as people think she should... Conditioning is key...
I never ever ever used can opener though... Anna is very fun to play once you get to know her more than just a string spamming character :) Take a look at how Fran or Tv-Nihia plays her...
PS : that ff+3 from CJM is such a good move ;-)
I've been playing Lee and Kazuya for so long, I've decided I needed a break, so I bought Anna! Free wins here i come 😼
Love your content overall. Love this kind of content the most.
So this is about how to counter William sibling
sorry main man, but william sisters are NOT more broken/unfair to play against than the Mishimas you play with. also you don't need to be high level to duck jab/launch df+3 strings, low parry uf+4,3,4 or sidestep d+3,4,3. It's just something new players need to learn to play against, same as, for example, low parrying junkyard.
What is the fundamentals of tekken ? Ive seen many opinions - does it mean you have to be fast with the inputs like KBD and doing big boy combos ?
@@MrNineFive Huh, that seems like all the knowledge in the game. If that is "fundamentals" what is considered a non-fundamentals. Characters skins :)
Good against the bads, free to the blessed, thanks as always Main Man, you seem to be the Cliff's Notes _ACTUAL for the test.
GOD that snake edge is annoying. I was playing as marduk against an Anna and it turned out I can barely react to her snake edge because her dress hides her legs and even if I managed to do that, I got a i13 ws 4 for like 20 dmg at most, launching option ws3 is i18 and i12 u/f 1,2 gets high crushed cuz she's crouching......
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Anna is ridicuously strong online... The amount of ppl that i see complain about Anna on Reddit makes me laugh, they clearly don't know shit about the game.
Nina is the best looking female tho.
ZiegenMeister who cares it's a videogame
@@shafir2 nobody does. you are just an idiot.
@@shafir2 yeah shes not real bro im sorry
@@ZiegenMeisterV1 You both are just haters quit hatin.
@@foxsteve9937 i didnt even know! damn reality hits hard.
These strings are easily countered in SEA