Mustang GT500 car review - Top Gear - BBC
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2009
- Richard takes the Ford Mustang GT500 out on the Top Gear test track. But how does it compare to its classic rival? And what will The Stig make of it once he gets behind the wheel?
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Hammond - You can't just give a car an extra 200hp and leave it with prehistoric suspension
Dodge - hold my beer
Dodge has been using irs since around 2005 or so. Ford hasn't put it in the mustang, aside from the older cobras, until 2015...
Hey Dodge is innocent here. See the other guy's comment.
Turbo LS Swap - Hold my stout
Not if u have a former police car suspension.
Dodge has been using independent suspension since 2005. Ford was still using a solid axle a whole 10 years after that.
It's 500 hp at the crank, not the wheels!
+scterka sofisticated rolling road machines take into account drivetrain losses now. It works out this extra power by letting the car run down at the end
***** well James was saying that was how it worked in series 8.
+Admiral_Awesome Have to realize that the whole bit was comedy sake. They didn't dyno it properly to begin with. And its nearly impossible to really get a precise measurement of power at the crank from those types of dynos. To be fair its any where from 5-20% power loss from crank to wheels depending on the engine (brand new or old, state of the fluids, state of bearings, type of ignition), transmission (year/month it was built, ratios, auto or stick, new clutch vs old clutch), fwd or rwd, different tires, breaks, temperature, altitude, and humidity. Only true way to test the power is take it to a controlled room and hook the engine directly to the dynometer.
But lets account the loss at 13% loss of power resulting in 446hp... at the crank it would be well over 500hp (around 512 actually) at the crank, and saying how they dyno'ed it wrong to begin with, it is well over 500hp.
+NEXT no they don't directly measure crank hp (you can't directly measure hp at all, you measure torque and work the hp out from that but that's a different conversation)
they can however make a reasonably accurate guestimate of drive train losses
exactly....they act like it was a lie.they didn't call it the " gtbwhp 500" .obviously that's 500 at the crank.
447 at the wheels equates to about 530 at the crank, which sounds about right. Ford has a habit of underrating hp.
447hp at the wheels means 447hp I can use to propel the car.
The rest is irrelevant. They're unusable to me.
Wheel Horsepower is more honest than Crank Horsepower.
MrFalconfly No manufacturer ever rates their horsepower at the wheel, its always at the crank.
mkelebay
Maybe, but they ought to.
It's a more honest representation of actual available power.
Is that your Mach, YellowMach1 ?
Jared Moore yeah
Hammond loves Mustangs. Btw. His vintage Mustang is a GT with a 390 CI engine, not a Mustang GT 390.
Just goes to show how much TopGear actually know about Muscle Cars. Hammond doesn't even know the actual name of his own goddam Mustang. And it's not the correct year for a Bullitt Mustang either, the Bullitt car was a 1968, this is a 1967. I still love them to bits though. It just always pissed me off how they dumbed everything down for the sake of comedy.
Their show is more asinine than funny.
Terri Bel Bliss Meh, they've all had some genuinely funny moments.
+SmegSlebChef That's all well and good, but that does mean people need to stop complaining about their love of Alfas. Objectively speaking, both Alfas and muscle cars are terrible, but if we bought the objectively best cars we'd all drive Golfs and Corollas. In that sense, the two are in the same boat.
+Terri Bel Bliss Hammond is secretly an american
Also the name GT 500 was never a reference to the power output.
Hammond: "You can always improve the breed."
Also Hammond: "You've changed my 911! You *can't* do that!"
The dyno reads the power at the wheels, not at the crank, crank is where power is measured for engine ratings. So the 500 horsepower is accurate. For RWD/FWD vehicles roughly 15% is lost through the drivetrain. For AWD it's roughly 30%.
+Jeffrey Osborn assumptions. I would think the dyno operators would be intelligent enough to tell Hammond the figure when the dyno measures the mechanical drag and adds that to the WHP to give the crank horsepower figure. We also know dynos vary tremedously in their readouts so this gt500 measuring 440hp at the crank on this dyno could come back at 500 5 minutes later on another.
03056932R I've been to many dyno's and it doesn't work like that. Hence why there's a difference between power at the wheels and power at the crank.
+03056932R The dynos that do that are making a very rough estimate. It isn't nearly as accurate as an actual engine brake. Besides, I would not be surprised if Top Gear purposefully reported the whip instead of the bhp for comedic effect. When they tested the original Tesla they staged the batteries dying multiple times, and ended up having a law suit filed against them for it. None of this should be surprising lol
+Jeffrey Osborn AWD is ~20% loss RWD is ~15% loss FWD is ~10% loss
Anthony Bane Basically the rough numbers I gave you. There is no actual "formula" as the amount lost through the drivetrain varies from car to car and automakers don't actually give the information.
The "power" of an engine is rated by engine alone, before it's actually hooked up to any form of drivetrain. So the automakers get the numbers before the engine is actually part of a working car.
447 hp to the wheels when you say 500 it's at the crank not the wheels for someone who is supposed to know about cars I'm surprised he didn't explained that
because in europe it is the wheels which counts not the crank
hansthurfjell and that is an american car ford say it has a 500hp engine which is probably underated even the nissan gtr dyno's less than shown
Shanee Bahera becausethe nissan gtr is hand-made and every gtr which has een produced will have a different hp, that's why they said it will be around "X" hp instead of giving a solid number
Jordan Pimentel I calculated it, comes to 425 at the wheels. The 15% drivetrain loss is a good guideline but not applicable to all cars.
hansthurfjell you clearly dont know much about cars it makes less hp at the wheels because of drivetrain inefficiencies not because it is hand built. besides a hand built engine it pretty much the same as a machine built because the engine is only assembled by hand but the parts are cnc machined like the rest of the engines out there
pitty they dont know the difference between crank and wheel hp
No shit
This show is good but sometimes they just flat out lie on things like that
It makes sense if it was advertised as BHP but i'm checking ford's page and they advertise in HP.
bhp and hp are the same thing
ryan. They were measuring wheel horsepower not crank horsepower
I just want to say I love top gear but, trying to under rate to make an episode work is messed up. 447 + 15-20% of drive train loss depending on the car equals 514hp to the crank - 536hp so it basically exceeds manufactures specs any way you put it.
Well said!!
It's probably 15% cause it's a manual and rear wheel drive
Manufacturers under rated their engines all the time. GM used to under rated every engine so that no car would have more power then the corvette, even if it had the same exact engine, aside from special circumstances. My 93 Z28 is rated at 275hp. The same year corvette with the same engine was rated at 300hp. Dyno tests on stock 6-speed low mileage LT1 camaros have shown 268hp at the wheels, which is 304hp at the crank. GM under rated the camaro/Firebird so it wouldn’t be equal to the corvette. The F-bodies were basically a 4-seat corvette for 1/2-2/3 the money. Only because of aerodynamics, a slightly different intake design and exhaust routing allowed the corvette to have a higher top speed.
The engine does make at least 500hp. It is lower on the dyno because of power train loss. Put a "500hp" Ferrari on that dyno and you would see the same thing.
lots of dynos can actually calculate power at the crank based on spin down
"I'd have one of those if I was the sort of person who looked at my sister and thought mmm"
Alex Ding Yes we watched the video too.
That's why I have one
Still rather fuck my sister than drive a chevy..
Mathew Hamel uhh my guy... pause
@@jesserodriguez7526
It was a joke. I don't have a sister i just despise gm
447 rear wheel hp is more than 500 at the flywheel (and flywheel is exactly how they are measured and rated) If you use the drivetrain loss of 15% for a manual transmission car (automatics are about 20-25% loss) that works out to 425 at the wheels. 447 is almost exactly 525 at the flywheel. Richard is way off.
@Miles Doyle why dude no one asked
@Miles Doyle Like take this nonsense elsewhere lol we do not give af
lots of dynos can actually calculate power at the crank based on spin down
447 wheel. That’s actually pretty outstanding. That would make it actually underrated
Yea for cars guys these dudes sure are stupid as hell
Speaking as a Ford Mechanic of 20+ years, when these came out, Ford severely underrated. GT500s were putting out 520hp to 535hp. We had manual Mustang GTs making 315hp and the Automatics hovering around 308hp to 311hp. So...Hammond is wrong reading WHEEL power not crank.
the punch line at the end
the car only goes straight fast for a reason... because we're American and we love drag racing
Toyota Supra will smoke any mustang, any time.LOL!
Thats weird, because this car cant keep a straight line
@@lex1945 That is a really dumb statement. Really, ANY Mustang, ANY time? You do realize the overwhelming majority of Supras do not have 1000 hp, right? A stock 1998 Supra Turbo was rated at 320 hp, and base model only had 225. Perhaps, in the future, it might be better if you think before speaking.
do i notice some butthurt to my sarcastic statement? Damn, people are so overly sensitive nowadays.
@Harrison Sacharko _ Ha! They started to drag race Euro junks as well. In fact, some car reviewers don't even check the track time but only the drag racing times (Carwow). They are European, boy! They do the best of everything LOL!
Hammond is definitely a secret American! Lol! Now I'm from Tennessee! Here's something really "American"! My father has a napkin from Kentucky Fried Chicken signed by carol Shelby that says "To my pal Brooks -C. Shelby" he got when he was just 8 years old!
America it's a continent pal looks like you got a little lack of geographical knowledge jajjajajaj
@@dylandsouza5375 America it's a continent mate c'mon, wow I'm so impressed whit your lack of geographical knowledge lads c'mon.
@@jhonsalchijhon5992 america is not a continent but north and South America are
@@jeff-hd9og Wtf jajajajajajjajaja jajajajajajaja you are so so ignorant jajajajajaj
European cars are bult to handle the tight corners that European roads have. American cars are built for the bigger and wider road space that American roads have. This is the reason american cars are usually bigger and go better on straight lines while european cars are usually smaller and take corners like a champ
Venom Snake lol no the mustang isnt evem that big. An m5 is still larger.
Finally someone understands.
Yes European cars such as Ferrari and Porsche are built to handle the corners on nurburgring, but cars like the Mercedes, Audi and BMW are primarily built to go extremely fast and comfortably on Autobahn
I’m tired of all this European vs American cars. They are built for different things.
Venom Snake
On a long trip long wheelbases win.
Something awesome about this is that when I was a kid, someone gifted me a diecast model of that exact Mustang Gt500 with that exact spec and colour and looking back now, it feels so awesome. I still have that car
Every car on sale lists the crank horsepower, and the GT500 makes more than 500 hp at the crank
I remember this episode. And a couple of things stuck out at me. The "rolling road", as they call it, is actually called a dynamometer. It measures horsepower and torque that is being put down to the road through the wheels. Now, everyone knows that dynos measure wheel horsepower and automobile manufacturers measure horsepower at the crank/flywheel. You have to figure in 15-20% driveline loss between the flywheel and differential. Therefore, 447hp at the rear wheels would equal about 514-536hp at the crank. That is pretty accurate according to the 500hp Ford claimed.
lots of dynos can actually calculate power at the crank based on spin down
"prehistoric suspension"
Mustang-loving American here,
that jab had me howling.
That’s the first time I saw Hammond introducing the stig and annotating the Lap 😂
Guys what did he say in 4:31 they are so annoying with music so load i couldn't hear it
@@vroom3257 250
I believe the prehistoric suspension in this car is for it to make it much more fun to drive
"It had, when it was brand-new, 325 horsepower..." That's 325 SAE Gross hp. The rough approximations I learned say to expect 250 SAE Net at the crank and 208hp at the wheels.
Hammond got 250hp at the wheels? He should be pretty damn happy!
Did he say 250 or 215?
447hp at the wheels, but hp are measured at the crank by car manufacturers, so the little hamster forgot to calculate the 15% drivetrain loss, so it's more like 514hp
Really? Lol
Cools, thanks for explaining that, I learned something new! :)
Not by all. BMW, Merc, Porsche (atleast) measure the power from the wheels.
Joe Justjoe No, the roling road takes the loss into account. If you watch budget supercars, James May tries to explain to Jeremy how it works.
The only excuse the car may have to not perform aswell is the airflow. But it does not produce 500 bhp.
You're*
And no, I'm correct.
Какая де ностальгия ,помню смотрел этот выпуск 13 лет назад !
Мне тогда было 13 лет ,сейчас 26 уже
Я чуть слезу не пустил если честно😢
I work at the Ford Flat Rock Assembly plant where they build these new Mustangs. See them everyday beautiful cars.
Props to whoever picked the songs for this episode..
Spot on
At first I was irritated that brits didn't know American cars are rated at horsepower at the crank and not the rear wheels... but now I realize they have a point. It makes more sense if you say a car has 500hp to put down 500hp at the wheels.... but still I hope someone educates them that the current American way of thinking is hp at the crank....
Some dynos also let the vehicle slow down on its own without the brakes aka coast down to measure the driveline drag and loss to get a crank HP measurement. I have seen them on old top gear and a few other shows to get an approximate cranks HP from WHP
Considering different wheels of different weights, and different choices of transmissions, and rear end gear ratios will put out different HP numbers at the wheels, how exactly do you suggest they rate them? Every single configuration of transmission and wheel choice with its own HP rating?
The Brits, yes because one guy on TV speaks for. 60 million people!
they know.
they were being assholes because american car. fucker even wrote on it with marker.
if they did that to a ferrari they would never get one on the show again.
In Europe it started to get silly with the number of ways to measure it and different figures advertised between manufacturers.
To put this to rest for everyone.
1. All United states car manufactures measure hp from the crank. 12-15% drivetrain losses assumed, the 400 and something horsepower that hammond said is right around the correct whp for a 500 "crank horsepower car.
2. Its called a "Dynamometer" not a rolling road. And no, dynamonmeter operators never use the drivetrain loss calculator when "dynoing" cars. They gave the pure whp number.
3. People are saying "oh so you know more than richard hammond?" The answer is YES THEY DO, because hammond said "they take the engine from a mustang gt and supercharger it." WRONG! They make a completely new 5.4 liter engine instead of the 4.6 liter that the mustang gt has. That shows how much hammond and also top gear know about what they are talking about.
Now hopefully all of you youtube warriors can see the facts now and stop arguing.
+Konstantinopoljski no originally it was not measured at the wheels. Cars from the earlier years were still crank and they were even more overrated because they were tested using only the engine's power there was an externally controlled water pump radiator fan alternator was excluded. Anything required for the engine to run was external from the engine. They also used long tube headers instead of the headers to be used in production that's why his (327 horsepower gt390 makes 250 while my 04 get with a 4.6 or a 281 engine makes 225 at the wheels or 260 crank
Baywarrior707 Take out that number 3, he said the engine is from the Ford GT not the Mustang GT. Rolling road is a perfectly acceptable name but yes, Dynamometer is the technical name. Spot on for the rest of it though ;)
Actually still wrong. Hammond said " they take the engine from a gt, and supercharge it". The gt came with a lyshlom twin screw supercharger to begin with, they didnt add it to the ford gt. On top of that, the only thing that was the same as the gt500 except volume of the cylinders. Even the block was a re designed aliminum block for the project. New forged rotating assembly, high lift/duration cams, dry sump oil system, along with all new cylinder heads. Its the same by no means. As for the rolling road name, tomato, toemahtoh
You know i kinda feel you on that one, but that has a reason to it. It is more precise because all drivetrains will be slightly different. As you said it increases the hp number to for sales, and also for liability. The same reason a 250cc dirtbike is techically called 249cc's
+Baywarrior707 Literally about to say that the 500 is BHP, thank you
Thats 447hp at the rear wheels he wasn't including drivetrain loss! The car at the flywheel makes 500hp. Come on Hammond!!
he knows, he's just doing this for effect
5:56 I totally agree with Hammond because you can get a good ‘65 Mustang Fastback (with the HiPo V8) for about $31,900 in 2019.
Not anymore!
Somebody show me where I can get an original GT350 for 30 grand like Hammond said and I will buy it
+Jimmy870 i think that was recorded about 5-6 years ago....
+NICK STEWART and its btritish pounds which is about 60,000 usd
+Emil Madsen 46,000 USD.
Folopolis well according to what rhe US dolar was worth when i wrote that it was 60
+Emil Madsen 3 days ago? No it wasn't. The relative value of the USD and GBP haven't changed significantly in over 2 years.
This car was made for the US market. We drag race here...and in the quarter mile, the solid rear axle is king.
This comment REEKS of idiocy.
Pardon_M3 Ok, not all Americans drag. But GT500 owners do.
They also road race them, completely stock, and do well at that.
I'm not entirely sure why they said this doesn't have a suspension upgrade, because the 2010 GT500 does, perhaps they were using an earlier in the year model? Car and Driver tested it and said it was confident in corners.
Connor Janeu
This is the 2006 model
9:23 - Classic Clarkson
its amazing how good 0 to 60 times are getting now. 4.9 isnt even that amazing anymore
Still faster than most cars.. Many new ones is about 7-12 seconds.
Albert Hernandez More horsepower doesn't mean faster acceleration.
@A. H. My 2008 bullitt will do 5.1 sec and it has 315. They need a better driver.
I know this comment will prob stir up a shit load of people who want to educate me on what is the best this or that so let me say right off that I am just voicing my opinion and not bashing on any particular car, and I certainly could be wrong, so here goes..first, I own an 08 gt 500, that being said, I didn't buy it to go screaming into a turn at 100 and yank the wheel. I see this all the time in videos about how unstable and antique the straight axle is under these cars, and it (no pun intended) gets old. Nascar uses straight axle 9 inch ford rearends people, so don't tell me they make a car go uncontrollably sideways around turns. Second, they use the Roush mustang to compare and act like its so much better handling but fail to tell you that its a straight axle too! Amazing what bigger sway bars,dif shocks, and panhard bar will do! not to mention less power to roast the tires! Third, they say at the end that the Roush has a limited slip dif and the Shelby has an open, causing it to spin the inside tires on turns, which is a total lie, they are aquipped with a clutch type ''posi'' which works great by the way. so I guess my point is that I would just buy the Shelby that's 10,000 less, put less than half of that into the rear suspension and the other half in gas & tires, and have some fun!
I know this was 5 years ago, but absolutley agree. One thing I found a tad irritating was they were trying to compare the 'stang to a european standard of car. Each car is specific to a market, and each works well in that market.
Euro cars are very refined, have a lot of computers, electronics and driver assists, which makes them very comfortable, and manageable, providing everything works.
'Merican muscle is more brash. Lots of noise. Lots of smoke. Lots of power. And they are designed in a way that allows their market to work on the cars themselves, hence the 'simplicity'. In Aus we have a similar style, or at least did. The 'local' market cars are cheap, dirty mang mobiles, with parts at a dime a dozen, and were specifically built to be backyard mechanic material. You can pull apart and pretty much rebuild the engine from off the shelf parts at the local auto store.
Whereas trying to fix a euro car, is like trying to find a cure for cancer.
I love the 390 V8, I have one in my truck and even with just a set of Hedman Headers and Thrush glasspacks on an otherwise stock motor it sounds like a beast.
Its 500 crank 460 whatever wheel
Exactly. Compare it to a 490HP Ferrari F430 of the same year, and it will make about 440.
It's handy that the car doesn't roll along on the crank then
Kaeden Smith have you seen the episode with the Aventime? they put that on a roling road aswell and what do you know? that car was advertised as 210 and after a good service (it was old so it had 157 bhp left) they got it to 206 bhp. the roling road's computers compensate for the difference.
They can setup the dyno to read whatever they want with whatever "correcting factors," they choose to use. A dyno is a tuning tool, you shouldn't fuck with it just to try and get the same number they did at the factory from the crank that is just stupid.
For "car guys" or "petrol heads" who talk a lot of smack about American cars, they sure don't know anything about them.
*heavy Southern accent* They sure don't Shawn!
And besides, most of us Americans are more into Pickup Trucks and other types of bigger vehicles anyways; not some toy-looking vehicles, like the Smart Fortwo. Yet they have the audacity to say “BMW is better than this,” or “Porsche is better than that.” Which as you can tell, that’s obviously coming from a region that prefers having roads that are small enough to even make someone like me claustrophobic. (since I hate tight spaces)
Everything else about Europe (more specifically the UK and Ireland) I do like, especially since I had ancestors from there. But when it comes to driving over there, I prefer driving in the USA more than in both the UK and Ireland and also, I think it’s best to accept American cars for what they are, no matter what.
General Geometrix OK, but that’s your opinion. There are things from other countries that are just as worse too anyways. Take brands like Suzuki, Fiat and Smart Car for example.
I’m sorry, but let’s face it. Not every brand that is outside of the USA (especially the ones in Europe) is any better, like you would really think, even though most foreign cars are great. 😅
General Geometrix What about Italian cars? Most of they’re engines aren’t as reliable either. Not to mention, Fiat is owned by FCA which also owns Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram anyways.
General Geometrix (PS I subbed to you. 😉)
2021 remembered this classic interview from TOP GEAR.
The 2007 to 2009 gt500 and the 99-04 cobras are my favorite body style mustangs
7 Wonders of the car world (opinion):
Ferrari F40
Mustang GT390
Mercedes Gullwing SL300
Jaguar E-Type
Porsche 911 Turbo (930)
Aston Martin DB5
Lamborghini Countach
I would replace the Countach with 1959 Cadillac deville. But otherwise a great opinion you got there. Countach is a little bit too boxy, I like 70s American cars and they are quite boxy but Countach takes it just too far
I honestly think the Countach is just too iconic to not have on it.
Charles Earle McLaren F1 instead of Countach
Me:
C2 split window corvette
70 hemi cuda
68 charger
70 chevelle
69 mustang boss
70 challenger
67 camaro
Me
R32 skyline
Evo 6
1st Wrx sti 22b
Ae86
Rr7 fd
1st gen Nsx
Mx5 na
200sx
S13,s14,s15
Sileghty
Honda civic eg6 and ek9
Gt86
Does no one notice "Knights Of Cydonia" at 2:20???
I just love the way the camera is moved to the mustang badge in the beginning
This was a long time ago cuz if you go to Drive tribe Richard Hammond's Mustang is green with gray stripes instead of blue with white stripes so this was a long time ago if you look at the plate it's still the same it's just the colors are different
Luckily, the latest version can handle pretty well too as it finally has an independent rear suspension.
I love Ford Mustang
I own a 2001 GT and I enjoy it everyday :)
+Toastable Pie I have a 2007 v6 rip
I have ‘05 GT500 with a balanced block and Ford gt cams
There's nothing like the soundtrack that comes out the exhaust. Radio delete, just listen to that exhaust note for my entertainment.
2:50 for proper mustang action
1:38 I can't die without drive this car =9
I always love American cars and I'm a huge fan of the Ford Mustang because it's a properly brilliant car!! 💞👌🇺🇸
I like how they're afraid of cars with a solid rear end
Gotta love all the arguing whenever a Mustang is the topic.
Sometimes I want to call Top Gear out on their stereotypes of Americans, but then I come here and see my fellow Americans confirming every single one of them.
This is gorgeous...
Unrelated; I love how they used Knights of Cydonia for background music.
this car is made for a track were you slightly turn to left!
Thank you Hammond for showing me the beauty and power, that is Mustang.
Jeremy's sister comment at the end was hilarious! I like both beamers and stangs!
Wonder how fast a '14 GT500 does the lap...
I got passed by one here in Scotland a while ago. I've always loved the look of those machines. Too bad I don't have the cash to buy one. It's also too bad that the guy driving it was a bit of a showoff and kept revving like crazy at the lights.
That muse in the background is glorious
7:23 This is the best looking Mustang model
447 at the wheels, couldn't it very well be 500 at the flywheel?
It's a shame Clarkson killed this show just about the time the regular GT Mustang started smoking M3s around racetracks. I would love to have seen Clarkson review a 2011 or newer GT Mustang against a M3 or M4.
Watch The Grand Tour when it comes out on Amazon. It's just Top Gear with a WAY bigger budget.
m4s have better design, more fuel efficiency and are faster than the mustangs. And let's not compare the price, the m4 costs more but its way more well built and is luxurious, and the post-purchase maintenance is better and saves you money
yeah keep telling yourself that mate. I'm just enjoying all the heads my Mustang turns every day.
He'll probably find a way to talk shit about them as well because mustangs are american and of course that means that they have to find every single thing that's wrong with them just talk shit about them
They had one in Grand Tour and both Hammond and Jeremy liked it
The newer one's have around 660hp i believe as well as the handling has been drastically improved.
Mind you this a somewhat within budget muscle car, Not an over priced super car full of state of the art technology.
I just want to point out that a new GT500 Mustang is ~$60,000 USD. For roughly the same price, you could get a new BMW M3. For $20,000 less, you could get a new Mitsubishi Lancer EVO. Both are great cars that look amazing and have more modern technology and handle corners better.
I get what the Mustang is supposed to be: a shining example of simplistic American engineering that is affordable to the everyman and has a good degree of sport behind it. But I wouldn't call $60,000 a budget muscle car- especially when there are more sophisticated alternatives on the market.
RipYourSpineOut $60,000 would be something you could afford. You have to work for it. Still more affordable than a Corvette ZR1, And Viper.
ShmotzGaming Not in case you are a son of a rich yuppie. :D The M3 is not limited beside in top speed, that's a huge drawback.
ckb313235 Nah, You can still afford a GT500. Probably get a 2008 one for less.
i love european cars,but you make a good point,not everyone can afford a lamborghini,american muscle will give you lots of power and cheap,they also look nice,i don't understand why people talk shit about it.
HP is measured at the crank I don't get why he said that he's clearly knows that in real life
9 years later the lowly Mustang GT shows this car its taillights.
1:58 sound from stalker haha
Buy a 2005-2009 GT model with a five speed, it's all you need and a blast to drive.
whats the song at 1:45?
Nice poking fun at Southern states there
"This is the car I'd get if I were the kind of person that looks at their sister and goes mmm"
4:40 at the wheels with a 20% drivetrain loss is pretty good
I love this episode because the rolling road was used on another episode where they sayed it couldn't read how much hp car car had past a certain number wich was less than 500hp so im pretty sure they were wrong about the 447hp
So what wrong with looking at your Hot sister and thinking Hmmmm know what I mean Squire !!! Lmao : D
mustangs have come such a long way, the Shelby GT350R is two years old and is still the best $60k car on the road
Negative. It's a nice car for 60K but there are many more cars that are better at the age/price.
Eric Heart idk any car thats $60k thatcan even keep up with a GT350R
What car can beat it around a track? Its base price of 49k for the gt350 is the best buy right now.
you can get a base m2 for around that money
GT350 will embarrass the M2. Nothing comes close to the GT350 in performance per dollar right now.
***** Actuallly the OP is correct, on a rolling road, they push the engine (ideally in the direct drive gear) to gain a power figure, then they put the car in neutral. Because the frction in the runners is a known amount - they can see how much extra friction the drivetrain is putting on the runners and so infer what the losses in the drivetrain is - granted this is dependant on what type of rolling road used. Though on the show I didn't hear them say whether the bhp figures where wheel or flywheel figures.
447 at the wheels is at least 496 at the crank, might as well call it 500. All manufacturers go by crank, of course.
The exhaust I added to my 2014 GT added 9 on the ground which is about 10 at the crank, so now mine is 430 hp with premium.
If I eventually add a cold air intake and Bama tune, I would have something like 464 hp at the crank based on dyno tests showing rear wheel hp gains for, in this order, adding my Ford Racing exhaust (9 rear wheel), then Airaid CAI (11 rear wheel), then Bama tune (20 rear wheel).
If you wanna dispute that, watch the videos where they do that in that order. Convinced me, dyno readings don't lie, and they did it on a somewhat hot day, which made numbers on the weak side. Once my warranty dies maybe I'll add the CAI and the Bama.
Gas mileage right now on extended flat road with auto transmission, mostly with cruise control:
74 mph: 24.3
65 mph: 27
40 mph: 31
Manufacturer rating for highway is 25, so I'm happy with those numbers.
Transmission is rumored to be good for 800 pounds of torque, though draggers seem to rebuild them if they're gonna run more than 600.
I figure if I ever to 468 hp I don't have to worry about the transmission, as I don't beat it all the time. Personally, I wouldn't run the tranny more than 500 pounds. I doubt I'd ever be more than about 430 pounds at 468 hp.
I'd love to get a kit to lower the car 1.5", but here in New England (New Hampshire) that's maybe a bad idea, even though I don't run it the salt on frost heaves.
2:56 your welcome
Listening to brits describe mustangs is about as accurate as Piers Morgan talking about AR15 rifles
OMG... I had watched this video 11 years back
I have a v8 6 litre vf ute. Most times I get stuck behind a slow car. Having a fast car is only so usable. Also the speed limit is 110km/hr in Australia which is 4th gear.
Review the 2015-16 with independent rear suspension, huge difference
Agreed. It's amazing how far Ford has come overall in the past decade. The GT350R, for example, would likely waste that Roush Mustang easily today.
looks like shit though
Hazztech
The GT350R? Or the Shelby in this video?
I think the GT350R is beautiful. But that's my opinion.
Vladpryde the new model mustang. 7th gen is it?
Hazztech
So you're talking about the current standard Mustang? Meh....if you find it ugly, I guess it's a point of personal opinion. Personally, I think there are many far more ugly cars out there to choose from than a Mustang.
noah's ark had a similar setup hahahahahahaha
Love the mustang and Top Gear they go together like bread and butter
the end was hilarious! LOL
I love Top Gear and I like Hammond but it's a '68 GT with a 390 engine. Ford would say they never made a model called a GT 390 in 1968. A GT 350 doesn;t have a 350 engine and a GT 500 doesn't have a 500 engine, so jamming the engine displacement onto the end of '1968 Ford Mustang GT' makes as little sense as claiming that Ford had a "GT 289" in 1968.
...and in 1968 they did in fact make a GT 500, which would be a more apt comparo
Many years late with this comment, but it was a 68 Mustang GT with a 390GT engine, not just a 390 engine.
Straight line stoplight to stoplight is the essence of the american muscle car since the beginning. Here in Texas highways are long and straight, and you'd never need to drive around town racing and hugging corners. On a serious closed course, no one would ever show up to "compete" in ANY car with factory suspension. The Gt500 is an american icon plain and simple, the legend behind the car is what really counts.
Mustang + Muse never thought this could be good, but it turn out amazing
What's the song at 4:29? I've looked on Top Gear what's that song and it's not there! Can somebody help me please? Thanks! :)
0:12 Hammond meant noisy as in the sound guy drowning out his voice
ya i hope richard know that it make 500 at the crank
***** ALL car manufacturers rate their cars at the crank, not the wheels. Hence the reason why it was completely retarded for these guys to bitch about it not putting 500 to the wheels. If they are going to bitch about that, they should say the same about every car they review.
***** 15% is the average loss at the wheels and yes they are rated at the crank hence 500bhp -75(15%) = 425.
I hope you know that it makes 447 at the ENGINE because these roling roads take power loss into acount. The only thing missing is a big fan to simulate airflow. Other than that: stop crying, it doesnt make 500 at the engine.
Lennart Plugge idiot saying it makes 500 at the crank and 500 on an engine dyno is the same fucking thing God damn learn what the fuck you're talking about before you start spewing bullshit
Lennart Plugge They can't take it into account as every vehicle's drive train loss is different.
I had some fun on the GT version as my 1st car. Beat some camaro SSs and dodge SRTs back then with intake and tune
My 08 gt500 with a few mods and the car makes well over 700hp at the tire.Also the suspension is highly modified. Kinda like my Shelby super snakes.From stock to the way my car is now.It is actually night and day.
too bad the new gt500 has over 650 horsepower lol
Dylan Oxendine And it still can turn a corner. After the mustangs power train loss of 21% youre left with 120hp less, on a shitty axle that crashes the car going straight.
662 to be exact
Mustang's have IRS...idiot. Just keep to Audi vids, child.
700+ now
I said Mustangs have it, I did not specify a year. I'm right, don't correct me.@phdbeast 21
PLEASE ANYONE!!! What is the retroish music from 2:28??? I have been searching for it for years...
I think it's Muse - Knights of Cydonia
Markus Kms Holy shit, thank you soo much.
I can say I thoroughly enjoy the use of Muse in this review.
Given their knowledge and experience with cars, I'm surprised/disappointed they do not know the difference between hp at the wheel vs the crank. It's not just this test either; they were putting down the output of some other cars that are known for advertising the hp at the wheels.