lol. Don't weep for us. Dylan is a thousand fingernails on infinite chalkboards. Bob Dylan answers the question, "What if a kazoo wanted to be a real boy?" I acknowledge his importance in music history, but I can only appreciate it on paper. While this was a well-crafted film with a bunch of great performances, I emerged from this film infinitely more baffled at Bob Dylan's idolatry. Even in this worshipful film, he comes across as a black hole of personality. I tip my hat to people who hear Dylan and somehow hear pleasant sounds. But I'm just absolutely utterly baffled.
Timothée was fantastic. The quiet intensity he brought, especially at the beginning of the film, was a big surprise for me and it paid off so well. And man, when he does Song to Woody I was locked in.
Bob Dylan is a true genius and the world is truly richer while he’s in it. No film can encapsulate him, which is why they all shy away from trying. This one finds a way to introduce and celebrate him, and for that I’m deeply grateful.
Speeding away on his motorcycle was the perfect final shot for this film. Pete, the old generation folk curator remains behind picking up the chairs at the festival, a caretaker....Dylan rides away....Foreshadowing his motorcycle crash a year later, but more importantly, it is symbolic of Dylan as an artist never wanting to stand still.
It's so interesting hearing people younger than me (albeit not by much) explain how Bob Dylan entered their musical lives. He gets in there, at some point, for everyone, like the Beatles, like fucking Mozart, he gets in the bloodstream eventually. Every generation.
I find Dylan's voice a massive block for me to get into his music sadly. I appreciate the talent, but just can't do his style of singing. So it goes. This movie was pretty enjoyable though!
@@simonmonis5749 I am quite fond of much of Dylan’s music especially the 70s stuff but I’ve said before I have audibly laughed listening to some of the music with just how bad(??) he sounds. Obviously it’s a very distinct voice not for everyone but it’s interesting how even for people who he is for it’s not always for them either.
I first listened to Bob when I was 13 or 14. Then and today, I say to myself, "where do these words come from?" Bob is the One - the greatest poet, singer, performer, and artist of my days.
This film is much much deeper than you might imagine..it is not just watching them play the songs, there are numerous deep messages that on the surface may not seem important actually tell you everything. It is not given t to the viewer on a plate you have to consider what is shown and said. There is a lot more insight into Dylan than you say. The lady here got it much better. I've seen it four times ! It's fantastic .
A great pod - Mallory captures the fan-response/great-pleasure of seeing this with people in a theatre, and Chris Ryan sums that up perfectly as a "really, really good times at the movies"; Fennessey nails the (lack of depth) problems with the film. If you've never seen Scorsese's doc of Dylan, No Direction Home ... my oh my - now that's a masterpiece and put most all these songs on the map for those of us late to the Dylan party.
Bob Dylan is the ultimate protest singer, like he once said "all that i do is protest", but he is also an artist and not just a protest singer, he did the strongest protest songs ever but that was all what he artistically had to say and could do at that time, he also said that songs make sense at the time and context it were made, that´s why he can´t make another blowing in the wind, cause of course he could copy himself but he as an artist couldn´t make it if it didn´t make sense. The only time i think he actually went back and made protest songs by request were in the 70s with the Joe Jackson and The Hurricane songs, but he felt unconfortable making them, he always said "i don´t pick the songs the songs pick me" and that is a very artist sentence to say, that´s the difference between an artist and a protest singer like Oachs, Seeger, Baez or others, they were not artists
I loved it. I liked that it focused on just a pivotal 4 year period. I would have cut two of the music scenes (probably the studio stuff or the blues jam on Seeger's tv show) to make time for 3-4 more character moments and dramatic scenes. Also thought it was odd that the ending text mentioned how Dylan reunited with Pete Seeger in '68, but it did not mention how Dylan and Baez reunited in '75 for the Rolling Thunder Review Tour and by all accounts completely reconnected as friends. But that's minor criticism. The film is called A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I get it. Even after breaking big and being famous, he is still unknown, and this film reenforces that. For a Dylan-approved film, this is to be expected...The performances, the sets/costumes, and the directing were excellent. Chalamet and Barbaro should both be nominated for Oscars.
Saw this a few days ago. Amazing biopic done by the master about a master song and dance man. Made my top 10 even as a biopic. Can’t un-hear Sean as Pete Seeger now 😂
One of my favorite lines from the film is when Dylan says “When people ask where the songs come from, they’re really asking why didn’t they come to them instead” or something along that. I think that really sums up how Dylan is feeling during that second part of the film. Loved that.
Great Pod. I've been waiting for this for 18 months. Saw ACU last week in IMAX. I'm very much in the Mallory Rubin//Chris Ryan reaction to this movie. It moved me a ton. I'm just there for it because I love Dylan. 43 years old--so exactly in your wheelhouse. Hope it brings a ton of people to Bob. And nice end of the Pod bringing everyone to Dylan on Film. BTW--I've owned Hearts of Fire for 20 years on VHS. And Sean--yes, Renaldo and Clara was released. It was a trainwreck but Bob financed it all himself--which was a big point of contention in the '78 divorce from Sara. He had to double mortgage the Malibu compound and head out on that incredible '78 world tour in no small part because of the self-financed R&C. First cut was 5 hours. Studio said no, has to be 90 minutes and all music. He said fuck you. He was doing an incredible amount of cocaine in those years and also creating great music--culminating in the sensational Street Legal.
And yes, also confirmed that the last few Tweets are legit all Bob. Jeff Rosen//Kramer confirmed it. All the tweets about him in Prague and running into NJ Devils Players. Dookie Chase's NOL restaurants. And the ACU Tweet are legit just Bob with a phone. Bob Newhart tweet etc.
Thought the “did you even listen to the songs” paralleled interestingly with Pete’s opening in the courtroom with his song and the judge making up his mind without hearing it
This really could've used one person that is not a super-fan of Bob Dylan, perhaps someone that can give a perspective of someone who actually didn't previously know everything the movie discusses.
@thebacons5943 don't really know why I'm replying because I can sense where this is going but it's Xmas so let's give it a chance. The 3 of them went into this conversation behaving as if everyone picking a movie to watch this weekend knows what happened to Dylan in the 60s. I'm saying a lot of movie watchers (in the US, nevermind elsewhere) don't. So - in my opinion - it would be helpful to have someone less steeped in the subject talk and say what they thought about the movie. Because I know I'll watch it anyway but I'm not sure if my teenage sons would find it interesting. Hope that helped. Also really hope you really didn't mean your first sentence. Even as an hyperbole, that's just really sad. Happy holidays!
@@ruioliveira1832 - I agree with what you're saying. I love all these 3 people but to get a not quite dyaln super fan perspective might have been interesting! i'm happy they are happy tho!
I would argue it’s a more interesting perspective for self proclaimed “Dylanologists” to discuss it. There will be plenty of podcasts and articles about this movie written by people who don’t care about Dylan as much. These three have an obvious connection to his music and can understand the movie in the historical context of the real Dylan vs the fictional Chalamet Dylan. I understand what you mean, but you can go seek out what you’re looking for, it’s out there.
It's good to see Mal. I feel like i haven't seen her on a pod in a while. im sure i just missed one she was on great discussion about Dylan excited too see the film merry Christmas all 😊
I was hoping this movie would give me some insight on a man that appears so mysterious whenever I try to ask others who lived through his music. Where do I even start to begin to try to understand Bob Dylan? Obviously his music, but is there a documentary or anything that dives deeper than apparently this movie does? I will start listening to his music, and I will watch this movie. I've always been fascinated in the rhetoric that surrounds him, whether that be positive or negative. He's such a polarizing figure that its daunting to even begin to unpack it all as an indifferent neutral. Where do I even begin?
start with the No Direction Home doc by Martin Scorsese. It's the most obvious and fundamental starting point because it's an in depth look at who he was as told by the people that were there with him. You can branch off from there in any direction you choose because it sets up the main pieces that formed Bob Dylan.
TC’s been traveling a lot for the movie & searchlight & WB Dune 2, & being a producer for Marty Supreme I don’t know how he does it & keeps everything straight in his head
I thought Wonka was delightful. It was funny and had great performances. Had no desire to see a Wonka prequel but I struggle to see why someone would hate it.
Bohemian Rhapsody still holds the record for cutaway shots of the band/producers/girlfriends/promoters turning to the artist as they were singing in worshipful nodding, but this film makes a huge attempt to top it.
@@aynaodriscollphotography4719 not a lot of people are as into Joy Division as I am, but the biopic Closer is impressive in this way as well, all 4 of the musicians learned the songs, how they played/mannerisms, etc. It was quite well done, and this one is really good too.
Thank you for an excellent discussion. But what the movie misses, so that you are missing it too and even Pete Seeger apparently missed it at the time, is that Dylan's first album was 60% or more folk rock. Granted he didn't use an electric guitar on that album, but he played folk songs in a way that was completely different from the way any folk singers were singing folk music at that time, because Dylan infused a rock-and-roll element into the traditional folk songs that he sang. Pretty Peggy-0, In My Time of Dyin', See That My Grave Is Kept Clean, You're No Good, Freight Train Blues, and other songs on the first album are all show a rock influence. Now, the first album sold poorly, because it was about four years ahead of what anyone could tolerate. So on Dylan's next album, he produced gentler music that was more like the traditional folk music that other Greenwich Village musicians were singing. And--managed, unlike Joan Baez, by the money-grubbing promoter Albert Grossman--Dylan achieved commercial success with the folk music that he wrote and presented on Freeweelin' and the following albums. So when Dylan went electric in '65 and presented folk rock, no one grasped that in a way it was NOT something new, but rather a return to his original presentations on his first album. By '61 Dylan had already worked out an aesthetic of folk rock. And so the question arises: Was there a sellout, not by Dylan's going electric in '65 as everybody accused him of doing; but a sellout in '62, when Dylan suppressed his desire to create folk rock because his audience wasn't ready for it, and so he gradually played folk music on three albums, until he could carry his audience with him to folk rock in '65? Dylan, on this view, may have sold out because in '62 he suppressed his artistic instincts to create folk rock, and instead gave his audience what it wanted, namely, folk music. (Any accusation of sellout is of course ridiculous, because the songs on Freewheelin and the following albums are so beautiful and compelling. But the question still arises: Was it always in the back of Dylan's mind to return to the folk rock that he had created in '61?) Not just this movie but also many books on Dylan, ignore his first album. As did everyone at the time. And so they were surprised at the Newport Folk Festival by Dylan's producing folk rock. But if they had listened to his first album, they would not have been.
TChalamet was fantastic. The Chic that played Joan was awesome. Im hoping that was actually her in the blue Briefs. Not a body double because WOW!! JUST WOW.
1982 to 1995 a quiet time? What about the Dylan & Dead tours, the Dylan & Petty tours, the Farm Aid tours, 30th Anniversary at MSG, with Clapton at MSG, We Are The World etc..........What about the records Infidels, Knocked Out Loaded, Empire Burlesque, Under the Red Sky, Down In The Groove, Good As I Been To You, World Gone Wrong, O'Mercy, Greatest Hits 3, Bootleg Vol 1-4, along with all tours that he went on for a lot of these records. Dylan never had a quiet time even after the motorcycle accident in 1966 and didn't tour again till 1974 with The Band. He still recorded like 8 records with some of the best songs he ever wrote.
The movie was great. Could have been so bad and instead was better than I hoped. I put it on par with Oliver Stone's The Doors as the two great music biopics
I´m a hardcore fan of Dylan, but since he defends so much his image, it would really be more interesting a Phil Oachs movie, cause his life was openly TRAGIC, and that would be very interesting, the life of a tragic artist is interesting, but of course there is the thing if the family is ok about making a biopic
Eveyone thinks the Coen brothers movie Inside Llewyn Davis is based on Bob Dylan but it's actually based on his friend Dave Van Ronk. He had a beard like Llewyn Davis and Dylan did not.
I cannot possibly overstate how little I care about Bob Dylan. Nothing he's done has ever mattered to me. His singing voice is weird and I hate it. And yet I'm listening to this pod because I like Chris, Sean, and Mallory. Go figure.
Whats so funny about how subjective music is, no ones singing voice moves me as much as Dylans. I cant count how many times Buckets of Rain has made me cry. Favorite singer by a mile haha
"Walk Hard" was a parody of musician biopics, including "Walk the Line", among others. It seems like they confused that a bit. Unintentionally funny, though.
Depends on how old you are. If you are looking backwards at him, of course it might not seem revolutionary to you, because you've heard the stuff that it influenced. So to you, the original doesn't hold as much weight because you can't recognize the importance of the influence.
Somehow i think that the movie "I´m not there" is BETTER, i think "A complete unknown" is a "good" movie, is good on protraiting the "coolness" of the image of Bob Dylan but it is inferior to the Johnny Cash movie cause it doesn´t show personal drama, lots of it is made up, it hints that Dylan had trouble with his family cause he basically runned away from home being a minor, but true fans knows Dylan had lots of darkness in his life, one good movie is for example "Nowhere Boy" about the life of John Lennon, there are hints also in the way Dylan relates to people and also Joan Baez, she was portraited as a selfish narcissist that was obsessed with him just because everybody loved him, and she even took his songs and played before he was known, and it was all in a very shallow and hidden way, you can see what Dylan saw in the leftists and why he rather thought on himself, but you have to be a hardcore fan or really think of it to notice. I´m Not there is a more abstract movie but really focus into his mind and his drama through his life, and that was good, the same happened with the Johnny Cash one, A complete Unknown is too protected by Dylan´s corporation sort of speaking just like No direction home was,
I haven't yet seen it, but if it doesn't offer more insight into the artist than the best documentaries, it's unnecessary. But I'm getting the impression it does achieve that, to some degree. Not necessarily insight into his inner life, but into his career development and what it was like to have been there. I was alive then, but much too young to have any awareness of it, besides knowing that folk music was popular, especially among the Ivy League campus community of which I lived on the periphery. I was more aware of Pete Seeger and the Kingston Trio than Dylan when I was a wee lad in the early 1960's.
@@jerrylev59 That's the thing, though, if you've seen all of those things, to you it might not be as revolutionary, but to some people, this is going to perhaps bring them to a wider appreciation of his music and story.
Rocket Man didn't spend 3 seconds with the dude that wrote Elton's songs... Did you like that both movies avoided the artists' homosexuality? Did it make you feel better?
@@dignity0327 I mean someone doesn't have to have a 60 year career and be hugely influential to also be good quality. Also, music is subjective, so let the person have their bad taste.
I genuinely hurt for the people who dont enjoy Dylan. His catalogue is so vast and so special i couldnt imagine not having that in my life
lol. Don't weep for us. Dylan is a thousand fingernails on infinite chalkboards. Bob Dylan answers the question, "What if a kazoo wanted to be a real boy?" I acknowledge his importance in music history, but I can only appreciate it on paper. While this was a well-crafted film with a bunch of great performances, I emerged from this film infinitely more baffled at Bob Dylan's idolatry. Even in this worshipful film, he comes across as a black hole of personality. I tip my hat to people who hear Dylan and somehow hear pleasant sounds. But I'm just absolutely utterly baffled.
Timothée was fantastic. The quiet intensity he brought, especially at the beginning of the film, was a big surprise for me and it paid off so well. And man, when he does Song to Woody I was locked in.
Mal saying Mississippi is one of her favorite songs of all time less than 3 minutes into the pod 💯 🔥 Merry Christmas!
Bob Dylan is a true genius and the world is truly richer while he’s in it. No film can encapsulate him, which is why they all shy away from trying. This one finds a way to introduce and celebrate him, and for that I’m deeply grateful.
Think Timmy did a great job encapsulating him
Speeding away on his motorcycle was the perfect final shot for this film. Pete, the old generation folk curator remains behind picking up the chairs at the festival, a caretaker....Dylan rides away....Foreshadowing his motorcycle crash a year later, but more importantly, it is symbolic of Dylan as an artist never wanting to stand still.
Feels so good to listen to a review of people who know what they are talking about
Guys Mallory should be in the thumbnail! Looking forward to this though!
They want people to click on the video tho
@@landoncarpenter5111 I would have clicked faster... had i known she was part of it.
😂😂😂 @@landoncarpenter5111
@@crazyobsessivefreak😅nah
The power of music cannot be stopped!!!
I listen to Indie Folk, I know a handful of Dylan's songs. Now, I will be putting him in my Folk/Rock rotation since seeing this film.
I got to work as an extra on A Complete Unknown. It made me eligible for SAG. The scene I did got cut😭😭😂😂 it’s a great film though!!
I was thinking I would love to have been one of those in the crowd !
It's so interesting hearing people younger than me (albeit not by much) explain how Bob Dylan entered their musical lives. He gets in there, at some point, for everyone, like the Beatles, like fucking Mozart, he gets in the bloodstream eventually. Every generation.
I find Dylan's voice a massive block for me to get into his music sadly. I appreciate the talent, but just can't do his style of singing. So it goes. This movie was pretty enjoyable though!
@@simonmonis5749 I am quite fond of much of Dylan’s music especially the 70s stuff but I’ve said before I have audibly laughed listening to some of the music with just how bad(??) he sounds. Obviously it’s a very distinct voice not for everyone but it’s interesting how even for people who he is for it’s not always for them either.
I first listened to Bob when I was 13 or 14. Then and today, I say to myself, "where do these words come from?" Bob is the One - the greatest poet, singer, performer, and artist of my days.
38:13 The best is the scene at the festival where Sylvie is watching Dylan, but Sylvie's friend is watching her.
thats her sister watching her.. her sister worked for Alan Lomax
100%
This film is much much deeper than you might imagine..it is not just watching them play the songs, there are numerous deep messages that on the surface may not seem important actually tell you everything. It is not given t to the viewer on a plate you have to consider what is shown and said. There is a lot more insight into Dylan than you say. The lady here got it much better. I've seen it four times ! It's fantastic .
A great pod - Mallory captures the fan-response/great-pleasure of seeing this with people in a theatre, and Chris Ryan sums that up perfectly as a "really, really good times at the movies"; Fennessey nails the (lack of depth) problems with the film. If you've never seen Scorsese's doc of Dylan, No Direction Home ... my oh my - now that's a masterpiece and put most all these songs on the map for those of us late to the Dylan party.
I need to rewatch no direction home love in depth documentaries like that especially about a music legend from 60s
Bob Dylan is the ultimate protest singer, like he once said "all that i do is protest", but he is also an artist and not just a protest singer, he did the strongest protest songs ever but that was all what he artistically had to say and could do at that time, he also said that songs make sense at the time and context it were made, that´s why he can´t make another blowing in the wind, cause of course he could copy himself but he as an artist couldn´t make it if it didn´t make sense. The only time i think he actually went back and made protest songs by request were in the 70s with the Joe Jackson and The Hurricane songs, but he felt unconfortable making them, he always said "i don´t pick the songs the songs pick me" and that is a very artist sentence to say, that´s the difference between an artist and a protest singer like Oachs, Seeger, Baez or others, they were not artists
I loved it. I liked that it focused on just a pivotal 4 year period. I would have cut two of the music scenes (probably the studio stuff or the blues jam on Seeger's tv show) to make time for 3-4 more character moments and dramatic scenes. Also thought it was odd that the ending text mentioned how Dylan reunited with Pete Seeger in '68, but it did not mention how Dylan and Baez reunited in '75 for the Rolling Thunder Review Tour and by all accounts completely reconnected as friends. But that's minor criticism. The film is called A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I get it. Even after breaking big and being famous, he is still unknown, and this film reenforces that. For a Dylan-approved film, this is to be expected...The performances, the sets/costumes, and the directing were excellent. Chalamet and Barbaro should both be nominated for Oscars.
I predicted Edward Norton will win best supporting actor.
Saw this a few days ago. Amazing biopic done by the master about a master song and dance man. Made my top 10 even as a biopic. Can’t un-hear Sean as Pete Seeger now 😂
"I was a plate"
How did that not get brought up in this pod?
LMAO!
Easily the part where I laughed out loud the loudest.
Greatest line in cinematic history.
Highway 61 is probably the one with the most classics; there's at least 5 all-timers on it.
Out of Time best modern one.
One of my favorite lines from the film is when Dylan says “When people ask where the songs come from, they’re really asking why didn’t they come to them instead” or something along that. I think that really sums up how Dylan is feeling during that second part of the film. Loved that.
Same
I’ve been so excited to hear their thoughts!
Great Pod. I've been waiting for this for 18 months. Saw ACU last week in IMAX. I'm very much in the Mallory Rubin//Chris Ryan reaction to this movie. It moved me a ton. I'm just there for it because I love Dylan. 43 years old--so exactly in your wheelhouse. Hope it brings a ton of people to Bob. And nice end of the Pod bringing everyone to Dylan on Film.
BTW--I've owned Hearts of Fire for 20 years on VHS. And Sean--yes, Renaldo and Clara was released. It was a trainwreck but Bob financed it all himself--which was a big point of contention in the '78 divorce from Sara. He had to double mortgage the Malibu compound and head out on that incredible '78 world tour in no small part because of the self-financed R&C. First cut was 5 hours. Studio said no, has to be 90 minutes and all music. He said fuck you. He was doing an incredible amount of cocaine in those years and also creating great music--culminating in the sensational Street Legal.
And yes, also confirmed that the last few Tweets are legit all Bob. Jeff Rosen//Kramer confirmed it. All the tweets about him in Prague and running into NJ Devils Players. Dookie Chase's NOL restaurants. And the ACU Tweet are legit just Bob with a phone. Bob Newhart tweet etc.
Thought the “did you even listen to the songs” paralleled interestingly with Pete’s opening in the courtroom with his song and the judge making up his mind without hearing it
60s bob dylan is the da bomb.🎉😊
This really could've used one person that is not a super-fan of Bob Dylan, perhaps someone that can give a perspective of someone who actually didn't previously know everything the movie discusses.
If you don’t get Bob, you don’t get life. Start with the music, don’t worry about the James Mangold biopic.
@thebacons5943 don't really know why I'm replying because I can sense where this is going but it's Xmas so let's give it a chance.
The 3 of them went into this conversation behaving as if everyone picking a movie to watch this weekend knows what happened to Dylan in the 60s. I'm saying a lot of movie watchers (in the US, nevermind elsewhere) don't.
So - in my opinion - it would be helpful to have someone less steeped in the subject talk and say what they thought about the movie. Because I know I'll watch it anyway but I'm not sure if my teenage sons would find it interesting.
Hope that helped. Also really hope you really didn't mean your first sentence. Even as an hyperbole, that's just really sad.
Happy holidays!
@@ruioliveira1832 - I agree with what you're saying. I love all these 3 people but to get a not quite dyaln super fan perspective might have been interesting! i'm happy they are happy tho!
@@RThomasBehnke Thank you. Also really happy - and relieved - CR and Sean enjoyed the movie, looking forward to seeing it.
I would argue it’s a more interesting perspective for self proclaimed “Dylanologists” to discuss it. There will be plenty of podcasts and articles about this movie written by people who don’t care about Dylan as much. These three have an obvious connection to his music and can understand the movie in the historical context of the real Dylan vs the fictional Chalamet Dylan. I understand what you mean, but you can go seek out what you’re looking for, it’s out there.
Mallory, CR, and Sean should have a regular recurring podcast.
It's good to see Mal. I feel like i haven't seen her on a pod in a while. im sure i just missed one she was on great discussion about Dylan excited too see the film merry Christmas all 😊
I was hoping this movie would give me some insight on a man that appears so mysterious whenever I try to ask others who lived through his music. Where do I even start to begin to try to understand Bob Dylan? Obviously his music, but is there a documentary or anything that dives deeper than apparently this movie does? I will start listening to his music, and I will watch this movie. I've always been fascinated in the rhetoric that surrounds him, whether that be positive or negative. He's such a polarizing figure that its daunting to even begin to unpack it all as an indifferent neutral. Where do I even begin?
start with the No Direction Home doc by Martin Scorsese. It's the most obvious and fundamental starting point because it's an in depth look at who he was as told by the people that were there with him. You can branch off from there in any direction you choose because it sets up the main pieces that formed Bob Dylan.
@CommonScentsAintSoCommonNow thank you so much!
With all of the press Chalamet is doing for this I'm surprised Sean didn't get him in.
TC’s been traveling a lot for the movie & searchlight & WB Dune 2, & being a producer for Marty Supreme I don’t know how he does it & keeps everything straight in his head
damn this piece being on the ringer??? timothee is def gonna hear it and will for sure be returning y'alls call soon! haha
Love Dylan, and OG Ringer guys.
The disdain for Wonka is so wrong. If you at least don't find that movie cute and silly, your heart has shriveled and died.
Anyone can have their opinion about media and be valid, buuuut Sean is an admitted cynic so just wouldn’t be for him
I thought Wonka was delightful. It was funny and had great performances. Had no desire to see a Wonka prequel but I struggle to see why someone would hate it.
This is brilliant! Gonna see it tomrrow! Can't wait.
Oh Mercy is so good.
I have zero attachment to Bob Dylan’s music or fame. Could care less. But this discussion was great.
It’s couldn’t care less, care less does not make sense, just like you even commenting
@ but I could care less. If it weren’t for this conversation I could care even less. That’s my point. Meathead.
@@eamonrodgers4751 But Mr Policeman, I could care less. If not for this very entertaining conversation. You see: that was my point.
The hard to cut to the Seeger sign-off where everyone's face is red but Chris and Mal are looking away so hysterics do not ensue took me out
Life long Dylan fanatic. The movie was awesome 👏👏👏. Sean, shame on you.
Bohemian Rhapsody still holds the record for cutaway shots of the band/producers/girlfriends/promoters turning to the artist as they were singing in worshipful nodding, but this film makes a huge attempt to top it.
Acu tops in many things here, singing live while filming and using original equipment and instruments is not even comparable
@@aynaodriscollphotography4719 not a lot of people are as into Joy Division as I am, but the biopic Closer is impressive in this way as well, all 4 of the musicians learned the songs, how they played/mannerisms, etc. It was quite well done, and this one is really good too.
I loved this movie cause it’s about Bob Dylan ❤
0:16 Caitlin Clark on the Pod 😋
Thank you for an excellent discussion. But what the movie misses, so that you are missing it too and even Pete Seeger apparently missed it at the time, is that Dylan's first album was 60% or more folk rock. Granted he didn't use an electric guitar on that album, but he played folk songs in a way that was completely different from the way any folk singers were singing folk music at that time, because Dylan infused a rock-and-roll element into the traditional folk songs that he sang. Pretty Peggy-0, In My Time of Dyin', See That My Grave Is Kept Clean, You're No Good, Freight Train Blues, and other songs on the first album are all show a rock influence.
Now, the first album sold poorly, because it was about four years ahead of what anyone could tolerate. So on Dylan's next album, he produced gentler music that was more like the traditional folk music that other Greenwich Village musicians were singing. And--managed, unlike Joan Baez, by the money-grubbing promoter Albert Grossman--Dylan achieved commercial success with the folk music that he wrote and presented on Freeweelin' and the following albums.
So when Dylan went electric in '65 and presented folk rock, no one grasped that in a way it was NOT something new, but rather a return to his original presentations on his first album. By '61 Dylan had already worked out an aesthetic of folk rock. And so the question arises: Was there a sellout, not by Dylan's going electric in '65 as everybody accused him of doing; but a sellout in '62, when Dylan suppressed his desire to create folk rock because his audience wasn't ready for it, and so he gradually played folk music on three albums, until he could carry his audience with him to folk rock in '65? Dylan, on this view, may have sold out because in '62 he suppressed his artistic instincts to create folk rock, and instead gave his audience what it wanted, namely, folk music. (Any accusation of sellout is of course ridiculous, because the songs on Freewheelin and the following albums are so beautiful and compelling. But the question still arises: Was it always in the back of Dylan's mind to return to the folk rock that he had created in '61?)
Not just this movie but also many books on Dylan, ignore his first album. As did everyone at the time. And so they were surprised at the Newport Folk Festival by Dylan's producing folk rock. But if they had listened to his first album, they would not have been.
❤❤❤❤❤❤ BOB DYLAN TIMOTHÉE THE MOVIE IT IS AMAZING 👏
Yes!!!!
TChalamet was fantastic. The Chic that played Joan was awesome.
Im hoping that was actually her in the blue Briefs. Not a body double because WOW!! JUST WOW.
Incredible film!! ❤
It’s called “A Complete Unknown” for a reason.
1982 to 1995 a quiet time? What about the Dylan & Dead tours, the Dylan & Petty tours, the Farm Aid tours,
30th Anniversary at MSG, with Clapton at MSG, We Are The World etc..........What about the records Infidels, Knocked Out Loaded, Empire Burlesque, Under the Red Sky, Down In The Groove, Good As I Been To You, World Gone Wrong, O'Mercy, Greatest Hits 3, Bootleg Vol 1-4, along with all tours that he went on for a lot of these records. Dylan never had a quiet time even after the motorcycle accident in 1966 and didn't tour again till 1974 with The Band. He still recorded like 8 records with some of the best songs he ever wrote.
I know me and CR were soul mates and he only but confirmed it by saying Blonde on Blonde is his favorite Dylan album
The movie was great. Could have been so bad and instead was better than I hoped. I put it on par with Oliver Stone's The Doors as the two great music biopics
TLDR: Top 0.001% Dylan fan thinks every aspect of the film was perfect, no notes. 5/5 is not good enough.
Now we need a Harry Nilsson movie
"More than wishes: A Harry Nilsson Story"
Who Is Harry Nilsson And Why Is Everybody Talking About Him.
It's a very good documentary.
can someone get Mal a hair tie
I have come back and watched the first 15 seconds several times over just to get a reliable lol for CR’s DIDN’TYOUUUU 😅
I´m a hardcore fan of Dylan, but since he defends so much his image, it would really be more interesting a Phil Oachs movie, cause his life was openly TRAGIC, and that would be very interesting, the life of a tragic artist is interesting, but of course there is the thing if the family is ok about making a biopic
Do you think it’s actually Bob?: “Weird time to be a prolific X user” - “Is he on Blue Sky” 🙄🤦🏻♂️
If you didn't have enough reasons to love Mallory.... she loves Dylan.
Agree with Chris on Blonde on Blonde.
I mean, for Timothée being Best Actor, who the hell else is going on Narduar? And it was great, too.
“LISAN AL GAIB!!” made me spit my coffee 😂😂😂
Eveyone thinks the Coen brothers movie Inside Llewyn Davis is based on Bob Dylan but it's actually based on his friend Dave Van Ronk. He had a beard like Llewyn Davis and Dylan did not.
I don't know how anyone would think Davis is based on Dylan when there's literally a Dylan character at the end of the movie.
@@ruioliveira1832 I know right! It's a common mistake people make but the film title is literally named after Van Ronk's album Inside Dave Van Ronk. 👉
@@davidfilmexpert Chalamet mentioned this on his Narduar interview when Narduar gave him a Van Ronk record.
love you Mal❤
I feel like i’m taking crazy pills
We feel like you are too
@51:48 which book?
Dylan goes electric Elijah wald book that the script is sort of based on
@@logojones96 ohh ok thanks, I thought they were just using the Scorsese No Direction Home documentary lol
@@mchgaFairly easy to see why you would think that. 😂
do a red rooms pod. movie rules
I knew they would have some negative crap about the film.
So self-indulgent.
Although I agree with CR that The Queen and Elton movies were Well Nlah.
I cannot possibly overstate how little I care about Bob Dylan. Nothing he's done has ever mattered to me. His singing voice is weird and I hate it. And yet I'm listening to this pod because I like Chris, Sean, and Mallory. Go figure.
Equally ignorant and appreciate, well done.
You are truly and utterly wrong about Dylan. I implore you to better your soul and then try again.
@thebacons5943 Nah he pretty much nailed it. Guy had a couple of decent tunes at most.
Whats so funny about how subjective music is, no ones singing voice moves me as much as Dylans. I cant count how many times Buckets of Rain has made me cry. Favorite singer by a mile haha
@@danielhudson5186hes my favorite singer by a mile. Blood on the Tracks alone puts him in a league of his own
They are look so youthful-how old are these guys -
If I want to watch a real movie with real actors I’ll be watching Day of the Fight.
I hate to do this because I love all 3 of them, but Chalameezy sounds almost exactly like Dylan in the film, imo
Dylan is a much more talented singer and Chalamet is a much more talented actor.
Loved Mallory and CR….the other guy not so much.
Chalamet loving Simmons kinda confirms the picture of him I had in my mind. That's not necessarily an insult but it certainly isn't a compliment lol.
Sounds like we're going to need a 'Walk Hard' follow up
"Walk Hard" was a parody of musician biopics, including "Walk the Line", among others. It seems like they confused that a bit. Unintentionally funny, though.
This particular podcast needed a normal person to round it. Wayyy too much glowing hagiographic bullshit.
You suck
Neve liked Dylan. Sucked as a singer. Unsure how lyrics so revolutionary. Never got it.
Depends on how old you are. If you are looking backwards at him, of course it might not seem revolutionary to you, because you've heard the stuff that it influenced. So to you, the original doesn't hold as much weight because you can't recognize the importance of the influence.
Dylan is the 🐐
Mallory in the thumbnail would probably get more views. Just saying
Somehow i think that the movie "I´m not there" is BETTER, i think "A complete unknown" is a "good" movie, is good on protraiting the "coolness" of the image of Bob Dylan but it is inferior to the Johnny Cash movie cause it doesn´t show personal drama, lots of it is made up, it hints that Dylan had trouble with his family cause he basically runned away from home being a minor, but true fans knows Dylan had lots of darkness in his life, one good movie is for example "Nowhere Boy" about the life of John Lennon, there are hints also in the way Dylan relates to people and also Joan Baez, she was portraited as a selfish narcissist that was obsessed with him just because everybody loved him, and she even took his songs and played before he was known, and it was all in a very shallow and hidden way, you can see what Dylan saw in the leftists and why he rather thought on himself, but you have to be a hardcore fan or really think of it to notice. I´m Not there is a more abstract movie but really focus into his mind and his drama through his life, and that was good, the same happened with the Johnny Cash one, A complete Unknown is too protected by Dylan´s corporation sort of speaking just like No direction home was,
I haven't yet seen it, but if it doesn't offer more insight into the artist than the best documentaries, it's unnecessary. But I'm getting the impression it does achieve that, to some degree. Not necessarily insight into his inner life, but into his career development and what it was like to have been there. I was alive then, but much too young to have any awareness of it, besides knowing that folk music was popular, especially among the Ivy League campus community of which I lived on the periphery. I was more aware of Pete Seeger and the Kingston Trio than Dylan when I was a wee lad in the early 1960's.
@@jerrylev59 That's the thing, though, if you've seen all of those things, to you it might not be as revolutionary, but to some people, this is going to perhaps bring them to a wider appreciation of his music and story.
Movie sounds kinda insufferable, like Dylan himself.
Not having Mallory in the thumbnail had me thinking this was going to be a enjoyable episode 😢
Mallory > Amanda
Fortunately, Amanda Dobbins was not on this episode of the Big Picture Podcast. 5/5 stars
Guy didn't like Rocket Man or Bohemian Rhapsody. Clueless.
What did you like about Bohemian Rhapsody?
Twas pretty rough...
Rocket Man didn't spend 3 seconds with the dude that wrote Elton's songs... Did you like that both movies avoided the artists' homosexuality? Did it make you feel better?
those movies are terrible
Well Bohemian Rhapsody had the disadvantage of trying to convince the viewer that Queen was a great band.
Dylan sucks bros
Great commentary.
Please share your favourite artists, if Dylan sucks. Coming from a hip-hop head.
Why does he suck exactly? And what "artist" can mention that u listen to that even comes cLose to his influence and longevity?
repent
@@dignity0327 I mean someone doesn't have to have a 60 year career and be hugely influential to also be good quality. Also, music is subjective, so let the person have their bad taste.