New 2018 Speed Queen Washers: I Wouldn't Buy One.
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2017
- I talk about how a great Speed Queen product, after many years, was changed to something completely the opposite. The video explains plenty of detail.
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Agreed 100%. I'm aware that this comment is a novel, but I'll explain thoroughly. I have taken a few days to research.
The finalized 2018 regulations involve a complex metric where the total Kw/h of power used, along with the total gallons used to do the largest load possible with the machine, are then divided by the tub capacity... or multiplied, or the cosine of the square root, some typical Government think-tank figure that was agreed upon by a handful of DOE employees who know *NOTHING* about how clothes washing is accomplished.
Yours and ours met the 2015 regs before they were introduced. In fact, the "real-world" total energy use on ours, using Medium fill and Normal Eco, is already comparable to front-loader models, and in fact are BETTER than some of the 2015 front-loaders. A quick way to tell is this...if you find a front-loader that is *NOT* Energy Star rated, then your machine here uses LESS energy. SQ just missed the Energy Star tier, and they missed it on purpose in order to quote "Allow the customer the choice to use a full fill and a deep-tub rinse via the "Heavy Duty" cycle selection, as the ability to choose is a larger selling point than benefits of the Energy Star rating." That quote was taken out of an internal SQ memo to dealers. Everywhere you look, you see ENERGY STAR... it's not exactly a huge selling point anymore because you see it on just about EVERYTHING. It's like a car company advertising "The all-new 2018 Cadillac Escalade, comes complete with *ANTI-LOCK BRAKES!"*
It's important that anyone reading my comment, or commenting themselves on the 2018 models, understand that *Energy Star* and the *US Department of Energy* are two different entities, Energy Star being a voluntary certification and nothing more, and the DOE being a US Government regulating body.
All this being said, both the total Kw/h and total gallons that the AWN series use to wash a large-fill "Normal-Eco" cycle is slightly higher than the final iteration of the 2018 regulations. The 1-hp 3-phase motor in the 2018s (which of course is taken directly from the existing SQ front-loaders,) combined with the slightly less wash fill, just eeeks the 2018s under the scope of the requirements.
The reason why the motor, at twice the size, uses less "Kw/h" is two-fold: First, it's only running 1/3rd of the time. The inverter drive powers it "forward, off... reverse, off..." and therefore uses, for the sake of discussion, half the Kw/h it would use if it were constantly running. Secondly, since it's a 3-phase ECM DC motor being driven through electronics, it's more efficient than a typical AC induction motor. So, in laymen's terms and within a nutshell, this motor uses slightly less electricity overall than the 1/2-hp AC motor in yours and ours. And, of course, you're correct, without a transmission only driving an agitator against the resistance of water, these motors are driving the entire mass of the whole washload...about 300 pounds.
The discontinuation of the transmission, along with using "off-the-shelf" front-loader motors, is nothing but *cost cutting.*
HOWEVER... the thing with these particular motors is this... YES they have been in use for ten years in the SQ front-loaders, but uh...people forget what a front-loader does. The motor soft-starts, ramps up, tumbles for ten seconds or so, windings heat up, then pauses for five seconds or so, windings cool a bit. These 2018s just slam the motor with "forward, reverse, forward, reverse," at full chooch and there's no ramping, and no delay for the windings to cool. Imagine flooring the gas pedal in your car and operating the shifter in this manner. The fact is, these motors were simply Just. Not. Designed. for this mode of operation. Neither were the inverter drives. I shudder to think what is going on inside the inverter drive...power surge after power surge after power surge.
Here's what should have happened, and this was after about three hours of crunching numbers on my part... they should have taken the existing AWN, added a pulse-width modulating triac controller to cut the [existing] motor down to about 85% during the wash cycle, left the transmission in place as-is, cut two minutes off the final spin, and set the [also existing] fill-level transducer back about 8 gallons. The worst that would have happened then would have been a couple less T-shirts of capacity, and an extra five minutes in the dryer.
That would have *JUST* squeezed under the new requirements, and kept the same components and reliability legend. Plus, people like us could have easily adjusted the fill back to full with the well-known turn of the screw, and removed the PWM triac to make the motor run at 100%.
Instead, they chose to cost-cut by eliminating the transmission (obviously the most expensive part,) and using the parts-bin drivetrain from the front-loader. And they modified the existing front-loader controller with software, which is free. Oh, and they tacked on about $100'ish to the price for good measure.
Awesome info there Harley! I knew your electrical knowledge would come in handy! I like your motor explanations. The 2018 TL motor is VERY hard-starting compared to the FL motors. Of course, only people with common sense such as yourself, I, and a few others will take notice of that. I figured there were some differences between Energy Star, and DOE, but I wasn't sure of those exact details.
As you explain, amazing what they could have done to make it the least change as possible. But of course they just could not do that. Such is life, huh? Still, good thing we got our machines when we did!
vraiment de tres bonnes explications,il nous reste a conseillé aux gens de courir cherché les dernier exemplares de speed queen 2017 disponible,et aussi que speed queen narrete pas la production de pieces de transmission trop rapidement car en ca de bris nous nauront pas le choix de se départir de notre speed queen si les pieces de rechange ne sont plus disponible
How will it affect the wash action on the heavy duty cycle on the 2018 speed queens on auto fill or full setting for that matter?
And the average person will say, "It doesn't matter! As long as it cleans clothes!" Really? I don't think so.
Harley Badger The motor in my Maytag A810 only uses 7 amps at 120v AC. Reversing a motor back and forth uses more electricity than having a motor that spins in one continuous direction, and reveres the other direction for spin.
Search for videos of new 2019 TC model. Appears they went back to the transmission design! Sounds like they actually clean the clothes again!
I've owned a 2018 model for four months now. I'm not sure why everyone is complaining. It seems to clean just fine to me and it is the quietest washer I've ever heard. I love it.
I am getting the 2018 model in a few months. I bought it then looked up these reviews. Seeing every video i find with a couple exceptions, are bad reviews. Kinda worried now. paying 1800 for a washer and dryer now hoping it works right
Same
@@robdalton2 Ha ha me too! I pick my set tomorrow. How do you like yours?
after 3 years, mine is getting oil all over my clothes and Speed Queen is NOT honoring their 10 year warrantee because not enough oil is getting on my clothes - i guess i have to wait until it completely gets oil all over the floor. so i am never recommending Speed Queen to anyone. i am in the market for a new washer and will never buy a Speed Queen.
Here it is, Aug 2021 and my washer is still humming along just fine. No problems at all with it. Hopefully it will continue that way.
I really appreciate the time you (and several others) take to keep us informed .. based on your videos and knowledgable comments posted regarding Speed Queen's 2018 changes, I managed to find one of the few remaining 2017 models and snap it up.
Glad you did! I'm sure it will serve ya well. :D
I couldn't agree with you more Sharkie, Your video was very well put!!! That's why I am so glad that I just got the exact Speed Queen set that you have delivered this morning!!! I was waiting for the new S.Q. to come out but, after seeing the videos on how they perform, "NO THANK YOU" I choose the reliable one!!! My dealer only had 2 sets left before they are gone forever and I was Lucky enough to get one before they were all sold out for good and It was well worth the money too!!! Thanks again for the posting...
Oh great that you got that set! Should last you a nice long time. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Thank you for taking the time to post this. It gave me the push I needed to visit my local dealer. He had stocked up on the 2017 models because of the pending change. I think he was surprised at my knowledge of the change in the agitator. My new set is arriving this week.
Awesome! Glad you got the good set! And no worries, I felt making this was necessary.
All I have to say is "get the government out of our laundry rooms, out of our kitchens, and out of our bathrooms. The new washers don't wash well, the new dishwashers don't wash dishes well, the refrigerators are unreliable and break down often, as do the stoves, the toilets don't flush well, especially if you have a long run of plumbing in the house you're in.
Exactly true!
get rid of government period with an exclamation.!
The new dryers don't dry well either!
I will never forget when we got our toilets put in one of the first years after they regulated low flush toilets. For YEARS we had clogged toilets at least once a week. It was horrible. I told my parents to go to another country and smuggle in an illegal toilet! (sarc!) It was horrible! When we sold the house it was good riddance to the horrible toilets!
All because of the ENVIORMENT and the global warming scam how the hell do we go from global cooling in the 70’s now warming. It’s the same thing with new refrigerant R134a and 410a is decent but they are trying to phase those out now....
Have to agree with you. After seeing the pitiful wash action of the new machines it makes me glad I pulled the trigger and got my 8 series washer in Sept. Now I really think I need to get the matching dryer before they are gone. I'm going to need a second dryer once I get the old Maytag going again.
Oh yeah. Get the dryer when ya can. Would be cool to have them match!
Thank you so much for your honest review. I learned so much. ♡
You are very welcome!
All I can say is our 2018 TR7 has been great so far. We suffered through 2 agitatorless GE top loaders in the last 8 years. Our clothes are coming out very clean, smell very good. No problems so far.
Thank you for this....I've been wanting a speed queen for a year for all the reasons you mentioned. Well a couple nights ago my LG washer had the pump fail. I ordered a new pump and will install it but that told me it was time considering I also will have a bit of extra money next month to afford one. All set to walk into a store and say give me one next week. Then I saw THIS. OHHH NOOOOO, I'm not having the changes. Not this girl. Long story short.....I was fortunate from what I was told to find a 2017 model available that isn't already paired up with a dryer to be sold as a package. It is to be paid for tomorrow and delivered Monday. THANK YOU for saving me the headache of ignorance. When they DO go out I would be interested in the most common things that DO go out and need fixing- I want to be prepared
Glad you were able to get an older model! It will serve ya well!
@@Sharkie626 The LG washers are one of the easiest machines to repair.
And yes Speed Queen top loaders are shit
Yet they only last a few years.
I wish we saw this video before we purchased our 2018 Speed Queen.
We've had the 2018 SQ for the past 3 months. It was to replace a 1990s Kenmore that worked very well for us, but unfortunately we thought it wasn't worth it to repair (in hindsight, we should have with with the repair). We are a family of 4, with a toddler and a baby, and I can tell you that we are extremely frustrated with this new washer. In fact, I found this video when trawling through looking for solutions. The 2018 SQ does nothing for us. We don't even have very dirty clothes, just non-oily baby food, light dirt and soil from playing outside, and crumbs to wash off and it doesn't even do that properly. We're having to hand-wash stuff either before or after each wash. Stains that haven't been washed properly again and again have gotten moldy and we've had to discard bibs and articles of baby clothes that have lasted us 3 years and 2 other washing machines.
We were lucky that we went to an excellent dealer that went out of their way to be helpful. They sent technicians over twice, the second time to upgrade the circuit board to the latest version 6 (didn't make a difference). We finally worked something out where they're going to replace our 2018 with a warehouse-damaged 2017 SQ after replacing the damaged panel, at no charge to us.
From my conversation with the technician, the 2018 SQ has been problematic for numerous customers. The service manager, who has been assisting us for the past month, confirms this. Our dealer, who's been in business for over 50 years, will no longer sell Speed Queen due to their issues.
To anyone reading this, don't make the same mistake we did. Stay far away from it.
Too bad the Kenmore went, but hey, sometimes the thought just doesn't cross our minds at first. At least you'll get the 2017! You won't be disappointed.
Thanks Sharkie626, we're really looking forward to wearing clean clothes again!
Maybe you could trade in for the 2019 TC5000WN? Check the reviews.
i would never ever buy another speed queen....after 3 years and 1 repair, the transmission went, leaking oil into the clothes. it also had the odor of burning oil, like an old car. the tech said the oil was not that bad and i should just accept it and when i called speed queen customer service, they were unaccommodating and expected me to pay for the diagnostics and repair, even though it was under warrantee. i am buying a washer from GE this time as people i know have had excellent reports of GE. speed queen gets two thumbs down and i am telling every one about it. buyer beware. piece of junk with fake warrantee, dishonorable company.
@@faithcomesbyhearing2148 EXACTLY! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Speed Queen has taken a steep dive in quality and Customer service
Thank you, my sister loves her 2017 model. I was planning to purchase 2018 as I love the new look, but what the heck where they thinking?
I think that's exactly what they're using.
Does anyone know the last model number for the good working Speed Queen Machine?
The newly available TC5000WN (AWN632SP116TW01) is essentially a revival of the 2017 models' best attributes: independent agitator, tub brake, no lid lock, and it even gets ground-in red clay out of my work jeans, one detergent pac, not using the available "DEEP FILL" option. An extra rinse adds ten minutes to the cycle. I bought one a couple of weeks ago and after using "HE" models from GE and LG, I think this is the best top-loader you can buy. I paid $1029 plus delivery and tax, right at $1140 total. Not inexpensive, but certainly a good value.
I called 6 places today. Only one had the 17. And they had one. I put a deposit on it till I get time to drive 2 hours to snag it. I agree that the wpool direct drive is great. The difference is the rub, baseplate and just the weight of the cabinet in general. Equally reliable the speed queen is just a bit more heavy duty and commerical and I like that. I work on appliances for a living and I've seen these style units and similar ones run 30 years or more. When they deviated from concrete tubs and took away springs anchoring the unit down it wouldn't put up with even slightly I'm balanced loads. Their are clothes washer and dishwashers but their are also clothes and dish wetters. Your points are all valid. Glad I caught the last one on the gulf coast haha.
Well it's good to know you have seen then last that long! Though I do have confidence that this machine will do well. Travel safely, and awesome that you got it!
Where did you find it? Where, where, please tell me where! lol I, too, live on the Gulf Coast, but that's a pretty big coast; I'm in New Orleans
So I just had my fisher peco die and salesman sold me a 2018 speed queen tr7. I have 2 weeks before delivery and get home to find a lot of neg on the 2018. So what is a good washer top loading if I return this? Help?
A used Whirlpool direct drive is the best one these days.
Sorry I am not taking the time to shop used. I just don’t know what I am looking for and don’t trust it. I was told by a local repair man the 7200 lg is a good one to look at. We are first getting a refund from the 2018 speed queen and ask if they had an 2017 which we doubt. If not we are going else where. We found the lg at Best Buy. And it has really high ratings.
LG=Lots of Grief, and I know whereof I speak. I bought one because Consumer Reports rated it highly. HUGE MISTAKE! Mine never cleaned the clothes properly, but the machine would fill brim-full and drain four times then settle into a sulk with an unbalanced code flashing when you wanted to toss things into the dryer and rush to work the next morning. Check out the newly available (May 2019) SQ TC5000WN, model number AWN632SP116TW01. There are RUclips videos. I've had mine a couple of weeks, and it works like it's supposed to. The clothes come out clean and with much less lint than the LG top-loader left. And the normal cycle takes a bit less than a half-hour. And there's a deep fill option and the hot wash does not temper the temp with cold. Speed Queen dealers are small business people and depend on customer satisfaction, not my experience with a certain big box chain that shares initials with "Big Box".
I wonder if Speed Queen realizes that by cheapening their design that they alienated 90% of their customer base. There's a reason their washers developed a cult following and that's because they were built like tanks. The good-ish news is that according to an Alliance spokesman, the 2017 style toploaders will be available alongside the 2018 style through the end of the 2018 model year. And you should be able to find 2017 models in appliance showrooms for at least another year or two, as they are slow, but profitable sellers. That being said I'm going to buy one of the 2017 style toploaders while I can still find them and keeping it running for as long a I can...
Well if that's true, hopefully they stay a while! I'm sure they will sell far better than the 2018 ones will! Same here. We are keeping this 2016 one going for as long as possible.
90+% of their customers are commercial laundromats! As long as these wash clothes, are durable, and don't snag customers' clothes, plus save energy costs, commercial owners will be quite happy!
We wull be out in a week and no way to get more
Try to order in model LWNE22SP115TW01 or LWN432SP115TW01. They're the same as the AWN series was, except SQ is only marketing them to commercial applications. Same suspension, same brake, same transmission, etc. Last I heard the company is backordered becaus eeveryone and their dog is ordering them but from what I heard, they are more than willing to sell them through appliance stores that carry their brand
the lwn432 now has a none adjustable one level pressure switch , the picture on the website is wrong , also the parts lookup is wrong . why they done this is beyond me !
RIP speed queen.... what a shame! Thank goodness i got my 2017 in September.
Yeah for sure!
i got my 2019 tc5000wn back in october
I'll have to agree with you 100% good sir! I guess it's too late for me, all the earlier model Speed Queens have all sold out in my area I think. I'll have to (and want to) keep my Kenmore Direct Drive in service as long as is humanly possible!
I think I'll have to go back and watch your video "Whirlpool Direct Drive vs. New Belt Drive."!
Don't worry. I'm sure your direct drive will go on for years! And sure check out that video again! Amazing it's been 6 years since I made it.
Already watched it and loved it as usual!
I got lucky and got my AWN92 just like yours Feb 2017. It has worked flawlessly for 5 1/2 years now and absolutely love it. I’m so glad my LG front loader crapped out just in time. Hopefully it will last 25 years without any major issues
Good timing indeed! This one is still working great!
Do some warehouses like AJ Madison have 2017 model of Speed Queen? Where can I find a 2017 Speed Queen?
Check around for your dealers. It’s gonna be tough but maybe there’s used ones around.
I wonder how long our GE hydrowave washer is going to work for, we moved into the house in 2013 and it came with the house it's now 4 years old. Last year it was kind of malfunctioning but it works now. Anyone have a guess it would last?
Those machines weren't great. I'd say replace it, whenever you can.
Could someone maybe help me.....:-) I just bought a year 2000 Amana commerical washer that I think is a speed queen. It has a knob on it that has 4 speeds and I am not sure how to use it. What does it control? Also, I haven't hooked this machine up and was wondering if it had a lid lock. I can't seem to find any info. on the web for it. Thanks.
The speed control most likely chooses the agitation and spin speeds.
Oh my goodness!! Had I not seen this video, I would have waited for the 2018 models!! Thank goodness I was able to get a 2017 today!! My local store only has 30 left and once they're gone, that's it. production has stopped. The owner said he dreads when the 2018 models roll in. Thank you so so much for this info.
That's awesome! Glad you got them successfully! I saw your other reply too. Amazing how even the store owners are dreading the new ones! I guess that tells ya something huh? Have fun doing your laundry! :D
Sharkie626 Is the dryer door supposed to be so tough to open and close? it's kind of hard on me!
If you mean latch and unlatch, yeah it's okay to be like that. But if you mean it's movement? That shouldn't be hard at all.
Sharkie626 yeah. I mean latch and unlatch. will it get easier over time?
Possibly. It's good to have a strong latch though.
We bought our Speed Queens in 2016. They work great! Everytime I do laundry, I think about how I wish that they still made them like they did.
Indeed. You got them at a good time!
Do you guys recommend the matching dryer? I've had the washer for a year and would like to get have the matching dryer if it's worth it. They are clearancing out the 2017 models at my local appliance store to make room for the 2018s
Sure! I think it works well.
It's hard to screw up a dryer. Well, maybe the Fisher-Paykel top-loader, but it was a daring attempt.
Great review I agree with everything you said. I have the same model got mine April of 2016. What a shame what they did to it, I agree, that for cost cutting measures they spelled the end of an era with Speed Queen. The washing performance of the new model leaves much to be desired. It has no power to actually wash the clothes rather than swish them around. Yes they had to increase the motor hp exactly as you said, due the weight of a full drum of water and clothes plus the momentum of moving it rapidly back and forth. It is much more quite but who cares if it’s not cleaning a soiled wash. Maybe they will use marketing to relabel it a Clothes Refresher instead! Thanks again for your demo why couldn’t they bring some of there loyal customers up to headquarters for a brainwashing. They would not have succeeded with there 2018 performance. Looking forward to see Consumer Reports review they will probably say now it’s the best thing since Apply Pie. Where is Andy Rooney when you need him?
Clothes Refresher! Haha, I like that! The new one is absolutely pathetic, I swear that they didn't even try, and tried to make it as cheap as possible. Unless the energy guide was lying, I do not see how you could get more efficient than that. I've always thought Consumer Reports was a crock. I'll believe what I myself personally sees.
I wonder if the AWN432SP and it's sister dryer is getting low in supply. I know a furniture dealer in Manchester TN who thinks it will and he told me today he bought as many as he could and as of today has twenty boxed washer and dryer matching sets in his warehouse. I went ahead and bought a set from him today as I suspected it is going to sell out.
It will eventually get low in supply, but some places still have a few of them.
Man, I'm glad you made this video. I've been wanting a Speed Queen for a while but didnt know about the 2018 changes. It's back to the ole drawing board.
Used markets are your friend!
@@Sharkie626 that's what I'm starting to realize. So basically, 2017 and previous years are a safe bet for SQ's?
@@tacodude286 Yeah, any of the AWN models.
Thanks!!!!
Thanks went out and bought a 2017 speedqueen washer today love it 😁😁😁
Glad you got it! Enjoy your laundry!
Just put money down on a new left over 2017 AWN432 washer and a ADG3 dryer. The local SQ dealer (WI) still has a couple 432's left, but I got the last matching dryer. He sold two of the 432's today and doesn't expect them to last long.
Good that ya got it when you did! They should last ya a long time.
Good to know. I was eventually looking to get a speed queen for a 2nd washer to go next to the old maytag washer. I am now going to pass on speed queen.
Yep. Just stick with used markets.
I literally just about to buy a 2018 SQ and then I saw this video. So do I need to find a 2017?
Some dealers may have some remaining, but it's getting pretty low now. Used markets could be promising too.
The 2018 machine works great, I have sold hundreds of these top load washers and no complaints.
What I see on the new ones is they don't clean clothes good .Still not seeing a lot of break downs ?
Compared to the maytag top loader i had for 3 days, this Speed Queen is amazing. The clothes get clean and it fills with water helping to get the dog hair etc off.
Do ya mean the 2017 and earlier? It sure is amazing!
@@Sharkie626 nope. Mine looks just like this, and per comments below was not $1000.
If you look at my won't drain vid you'll see it.
@@Sharkie626 I bet you lost a lot of sales not selling Speed Queen anymore. Its a much better quality washer versus anything else. And do you do sales? People complain about HE machines not washing right etc. Maybe you should make your own washer?
Where did I ever say I sold washers?
What about the LWN432S models? These are considered commercial washers. Did they get trashed too?
I think they are still good. I don't like the lack of water level adjustment though.
Would it be safe to buy the 2017 from an online vendor? Sometimes big box items get damaged in transit and I don't want to have to deal with a dented item. I'm in Charlotte, NC. if anyone knows of a place that still has an older model in stock, let me know!!!
I'd say it may be taking a chance. If they have decent reviews, it might be okay.
Sounds like your describing an old Maytag Washer A512.. it also has a bolt on agitator and pump like you described
Yeah that it does! Only difference is, that washer's pump is belt driven too.
I'm glad the Laundrymat I go to did not replace their Speed Queen top load washers and has some old ones too, with the coin slot where you aline 6 coins next to eachother and then gets pushed in and pulled out as the 6 coins go into the machine and starts up and the temp and wash setting is controlled by nobs.
I remember those! I'm sure they will keep them for a long time.
Nice Video, What Model numbers should I be looking for from last year? For the 9 series
I believe it is AWNE92SP113TW01. I hope ya find one! Some dealers still have it I think.
Thanx forgot to ask about the dryer. Is it a ADEE9RGS?
Yep that's right! If you want the gas model, it's ADGE9RGS
Sharkie 626: My 1986 WP HD direct drive is still going strong. If it does go, are there any new direct drive washers out there?
You’d have to go to used markers for them, but many parts are still plentiful.
I just purchased a Speed Queen top load washer and after 3 loads noticed a black film after i wiped down the tub,anyone know what that may be?
Might be stuff from the factory. Maybe run the machine with no clothes and just hot water with some detergent and see what happens.
‘The washer may be quiet, but what about when you need to run the dryer? DUUUH.” ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.
Thanks! Some things that some people never take the time to think about!
I hate when people say it's just a dishwasher as long as the dishes get clean! I want to hear what the DAMN thing sounds like so I know it works properly! None of these pissy pumps!
Any opinion about the 2021 models (both washer TC5 and dryer) ? Thanks in advance........
TC 5 is probably your best bet these days. It's not quite as good as this, but it's better than the TR series.
What do you think of the TR3000? Can't get the 432 any longer. Do you recommend any Speed Queen?
Not these days. If you want a good washer today, look at used markets.
Check the reviews of the 2019 TC5000WN, model number AWN632SP116TW01. It is basically the 2017 machine tweaked to meet the DOE regs, then offers cycle options like deep fill and a true hot water temp setting.
I agree totally! It might've helped if thee agitator was independant of the drum and did it's own agitation. It would probably work more like an agipeller. I don't like the black control panel on the new ones either. If the new washer comes in a complete stainless steel body option, then the black control panel would look fine. That's just my opinion.
It might have been a little better that way, but I don't think anything can beat how these washer were previously made. Good results every time! I'm not a fan of the black control panel either.
The new 2018 models may be good for office dust, but real dirt and stains getting shifted out has yet to be seen. I'd use a pod detergent such as tide. I use tide pods original and downy april fresh for my laundry and I use clorox bleach for whites.
using bleach in a washer is nasty and its NOT needed, the bleach from the previous load does not drain and some still sits in the basket and will be re-circulated on the next wash, had this happen when someone used
bleach and the next load was a normal wash and some of the close had white spots where there was color ,
i always think you people who need it brighter white then the sun are suffering from OCD !! its just disgusting ! I DO NOT allow bleach to be used in my washer, its a dangerous and harsh chemical and also
cause pre-mature wear on clothing, because bleach slowly eats away at the closes, just because you need your clothing
brighter white then the sun!
you just said everything I’ve been thinking for so long. Trying to trash a completely reliable wash system they’ve had for years. Luckily, they are still offering it the TR7 series I believe, it’s got a silver and white control panel with the flex vane agitator, not the fake swishing agitator that does nearly nothing. Unfortunately my dad got the TR5 series and I’m very disappointed with it, and he didn’t know at the time that they still offered the older wash system. Might try to get him to swap it out.
Right? A lot of stuff I said in that video still holds true today! The good one is the TC 5 ;)
How do I tell the difference between the 2017 and 2018 models? Do they look completely different? I'm in the land of Oz and we have Speed Queen 7.5 kg with mechanical knobs and controls, and Speed Queen 8.5kg with electronic controls.
Easy. The 2018s have an all-black control panel. If yours doesn't have that, it's the earlier models!
Sharkie626 thank you, I've subbed:-)
No problem, and welcome along! :D
im glad i watched this because now im not getting one. Bad news is, i am back to square one. Now i dont know which washer to buy.
Check your dealers, some may still have some 2017 models remaining. If not, go check your used appliance places.
Look at the SQ AWN632SP116TW01 "COMMERCIAL HEAVY DUTY" (late 2019-model introduced in May), or the Maytag MVWP575GW "COMMERCIAL".
These will not be available through the big box stores such as Home Depot or Best Buy, but you can find them at locally-owned "Mom-and-Pop" furniture and appliance stores. You'll probably have to google "furniture and appliance stores".
The Speed Queen is almost identical to the 2017-model and uses the proven mechanicals that last thirty years at the coin laundries. The Maytag "COMMERCIAL" is similar to the Maytag coin laundry machines, except for the dual-action agitator.
Whirlpool also builds the deceptively named Maytag "COMMERCIAL TECHNOLOGY" machines sold through big box stores. Check out these machines, check the video reviews, commit their features to memory, and steer well clear.
Most reviews are negative. These machines are also rebadged as Roper, Conservator, Crosley, Amana, Admiral, Whirlpool, Kenmore, and any of the other dozen or so brands now owned by Whirlpool.
Good luck in selecting your new machine.
Sales will most likely sink like a stone. This is not only bad for Speed Queen, but local appliance stores will likely loose business because they were the only ones who sold Speed Queen washers and dryers. The new 2018 Speed Queen washers will most likely be a failure since they do not clean as well as the one with a transmission.
It is like reliving what happened to maytag 15 years ago when they scrapped their dependable care line , 1st they cheapened it up by useing cheaper parts so we started having lots more breakdowns, 2nd , we were having enough failures that it made us open to a NEW design that was supposed to be the savior of all washers, 3rd, that washer was the biggest disaster in washing machine history ( so far ) 4th , they doubled down on the terrible washer, promising the fixes that never came, and wouldn’t even consider bringing the old machine back, 5th and final chapter , this mess went on for 3 years then in 2006 maytag Corp. a shell of the great company it once was , sold out to whirlpool ! To all the speed queen dealers who were once maytag dealers , is it just me or are we seeing a classic example of history repeating itself ?????
Well if sales do go down, no one to blame but themselves!
In regards to Maytag. Yeah, they lost $9,000,000 in 2004, probably because of cheapening up products like was said there. If that happens to SQ, well they only brought it upon themselves. Although maybe they'll just stick with the commercial market. It's not the first time they've done that.
History is repeating itself!
Actually the new 2018 model cleans better than the old one in lab testing.
What about with the best laundry detergent and fabric softener? I'd use the max soil level on the heavy duty setting.
But how do i use it?
Sharkie ... what are you thoughts on getting a front loader SQ before they no longer off them? Still available for another week in a store near me. Thank you.
Some seem to like them. Me personally, I haven't liked FL machines in the residential area.
Thanks for your reply. I found a SQ AWN432SP113TW04 in my area yesterday and scooped it up. Seems they're not easy to find nowadays. Really appreciated your review.
Oh good! That's the mechanical control model. You won't be disappointed!
Here's a thought.
What if they're going to be selling these new things alongside the old style ones? Like, these new turds will be the high end ones, and the tried and true ones will be the lower-end models?
If only. But I'm very certain that's not gonna be the case
It ain't gonna happen!
The TC is still selling luckily
I made the mistake of getting a new speed queen in February. After going thru machine after machine after machine, all being POS’s, I got the speed queen that I thought I’d always wanted. The new 18’s are AWFUL!!!!! I have already had a repair guy out once, still waiting on parts, supposedly it’s the brake not releasing that is making my laundry come out filthy and eating holes in my towels. Wish I would have seen some of these videos before I bought mine. Also realizing how many things I don’t have on this machine that I miss. Like the detergent dispenser so I don’t have to be home babysitting it to put fresh soap in after a soak or a prewash. Or being able to fit more than 4 standard bth towels in it and actually have them come out somewhat clean. Also hate the fact that the normal cycle is automatically “eco”. Now I’m on the search again to find a bigger machine that will clean clothes 😞
I've got the 2019 TC5000WN, great machine.
After years of HE misery, it's great to have a machine that gets clothes clean and within a reasonable time.
For me, it's Speed Queen or no machine!
What to look for in model number to insure we are getting 2017 or older model?
I believe it is AWN and then anything after that.
There's a 2019 AWN632SP116TW01, called the TC5000WN appears to be a match for the 2017, check the reviews.
Ohh, I'm looking for the Electric model
I should have watched this before purchasing. I've had a 2018 model for less than 2 years and it now requires a "complete tear-down and rebuild" according to the technician in consultation with Speed Queen technicians. So it not only doesn't clean well (which my wife always said), the quality is really poor. When I pressed for a replacement due to my lemon, I was met with significant resistance by Speed Queen. Parts needed 1) lower bearing, 2) spline, 3) shaft, 4) weldment asm, 5) drive control arm, 6) tub, 7) all the necessary nuts, etc. So essentially all necessary components except for the white shell. This work order doesn't include the control board which also failed.
Really?? Whoo man, they were never like that with these models! I say just get rid of it, and look for a used market.
doesn't the older design with the brake use a cam to activate the brake?
Yeah something like that.
So is this washer's motor 1 full hp? Or is it the exact same as the front loaders? Because the latter is .9hp.
The transmission model motors are 1/2 HP
@@Sharkie626 D'oh my bad, I meant to say the TR models.
@@OckGypsy Ah gotcha. Yeah TR is 1 HP.
@@Sharkie626 Hm. Interesting. There are a lot of folks that think it it is the same one used in the front load models. According to Lorain Furniture, he had one and said it had a 0.9hp motor. Perhaps the TR model motor has a slight modification to make it 1hp for swishing around 300lbs of water and clothes.
@@OckGypsy Yeah that would make the most sense.
Thank You! Thank You!
I must be under a rock or something....I had decided to hold off on buying a speed queen pair temporarily, keeping my whirlpool direct drive going until I bought my next house. HOWEVER This video just surprised me totally and opened my eyes. I JUST got back from Appliance World and I am now the proud owner of a speed queen awn 92 series pair! Once my new machines arrive, I will start restoring my old whirlpool. Total rebuild from the ground up. I told the salesman and my wife " under no circumstances do I want my old machine taken away". The sales staff at the store understood completely. They are not at all enthused about the new 2018 model or any of the other high efficiency garbage they unfortunately HAVE to sell. The salesman pointed out speed queen no longer mentions the new machines have the durability to last 25 years like ours will. They still seem to have better construction than the typical China pride though. However..it still remains to be seen how these new machines will stand up. From what I can see, washabilty in the 2018 models is already compromised due to the inadequate weak agitation..let's hope the rest isn't a complete failure as well. I might be wrong, but It looks like it might be possible to swap in a transmission drive with a little know - how... modifications to the electronic controls would also need done..Maybe? Anyway, Thank You for taking the time to make this most helpful video!
Very good timing my friend! That 92 series should last you a long time. Keep that direct drive going as well! With a new 92 series and a direct drive on the side. You are set for life! I'm sure the sales staff know exactly about why you are as such with your machines!
As for swapping parts? Not too sure on that one. Maybe someone else knows though!
The people bashing the new 2018 machines should differentiate between them being against the Washing action and if the machine will be durable and or it's longevity.
The main reason I bought a SQ was for it's longevity and reliability.
Ever since Alliance took over SQ, these machines have shown to be very reliable. I did not question the RELIABILITY of the 2018 machines in this video. Just the WASHABILITY.
They're also supposed to clean your clothes! Correct?
The new TC5000WN gives washes well and I expect traditional SQ longevity from it. For me, it's worth the price.
I agree with you 100% The new machine is designed to be more profitable and I do think it may have less possible issues for repair but I do agree the new pump could fail the motor is going to be under lots of load being it does not have a transmission to gear up or down thus the motor works harder to perform the same functions with out the transmission. As per agitation I saw video on the 2018. I can not see how this new method of agitation can compete with the 2017 machine as per cleaning.
Exactly, I don't see the transmission as a problem. I see it as a necessary part that creates great washing, and if built well won't add too much load to the motor. I mean for how many years have they had something like that now??
There is no way the 2018s will compete. Try using a comforter, it will never work!
Gary Karczewski , every time I see this redesign I roll my eyes and put my head in my hands. I just can't believe what I'm seeing. Ill bet their laundromat versions aren't pitiful like this.
I have a Speed Queen like the one pictured, I cannot tell what year it is, it tried spinning the agitator by hand and it locks with no movement, does that mean I have the good model?
Yes it does!
@@Sharkie626 Yes I do? Have the good model?
@@Moondoggy1941 Oh yeah. You do have that!
I seen one the videos of the new 2018. I honestly thought the video was uploaded in slow motion. Come to find out that is the new wash action. Very pathetic. Damn speed queen. You just drove away any chance of new customers who want a washer that runs like the older belt drive maytags and whirlpool. The reason I got the 2014 model is because I wanted a washer that washed like the 80s whirlpool and maytag.
Indeed. I don't think many are going to be happy to purchase these now. But that's their own doing. My bro and sister in law have a 2014 model. They both love it! I stressed them to get a SQ in that year when they moved.
Also, very cool user name, and awesome to see another 2006 joiner! :D
Sharkie626 thanks bro. The used washer market is about to get a huge influx of customers they can thank SQ for that.
I think the same thing happened when Whirlpool stopped with their direct drives, but I think this will have a bigger effect!
Is it possible for this design to improve for the better or is a brand new design needed for their next gen washer? These strict regulations suck! Glad I bought my Speed Queen TL in August.
Only way to improve is to go back to how yours and mine were designed.
We had a whirlpool washer for over 30 years, it’s now failing. I really don’t know which washer to purchase because I know they don’t make things the way they used to. Help!!!
Is it a direct drive? I would get it fixed.
Sharkie626 how do I figure that out?
Hard to type out details. But, look yo Whirlpool direct drive on the site. If any of those machines operate and sound like yours, than it's that.
Sharkie626 will do thanks
Speed Queen had now relegated their brand into the category of all the other brands, JUNK! I'll NEVER buy the "new design" Speed Queen washer...ever!
Not anymore!
Check the newly available (May, 2019) AWN632SP116TW01, AKA the TC5000WN. Old-school action, works great, good reviews. Deep fill, tub brake- independent agitator, and a normal cycle takes less than a half-hour. And it gets the clothes clean.
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Thank you very much for the very informative review! I almost bought one of the 2018 Speed Queens myself but thankfully the salesman informed that the agitator was not the same as the 2017 model, he said that everyone was buying up all the 2017 models from him so he ordered in like a large amount of them but unfortunately for me he had sold them all : ( so now I have a Kenmore (Lg) elite front loader with the Accela wash , it says Direct Drive on it as well, does this mean I have a good machine ?? Others have told me I do but like to get the opinion of others as well. Thanks so much again.
See how it does. If it doesn't wash well, see if there's a used market around you. Plenty of good stuff there.
Sharkie626 Sharkie626 Thank you for your prompt reply! I am really on the fence about it, I've had it for almost a month and have considered returning for a few reasons, first of all it doesn't have the water plus option n only one of my cycles is satisfying with enough water, next reason I did not get the download cycle n I feel I'm missing out on some other cycles. And third of all I feel like it pauses too much when it's washing, like it will tumble for about 10 seconds and then pause and tumble in the the opposite direction, I'm sure it needs to do this but I just want to see some long tumble action. Thank you again for answering!
No problem! :D
@@jennablack3136 that's what the front loaders do it makes them washer better
Was leaning toward front loader, now back to top loader search after tons of research and all the problems with front loaders. I am about to lose my marbles in my head, what few I have left. It seems no washer out there, front or top loader, is durable and cleans well like the older models. I was looking into a SQ until I saw this video, thanks for sharing it. Can anyone steer me into a make and model that will not have a ton of issues? I get lemons exist and I will deal with it, but at my wits end. Thanks for any help.
Get a Whirlpool direct drive. Find a used market, they will have a ton of them. Very reliable and easy to service when needed. An exact model is tough to give, as there were so many of them made. But I'm sure just that term will be easy for another to understand.
The problem with Whirlpool is their warranty is shoddy compared to most of the manufacturers out there. But I am learning about direct drives vs. belts and that DD is the better way to go. Thanks for the help.
Can you direct me to reputable resellers in Bay Area, Cali area? Looked online and not finding what I need.
Thank you for enlightening me about Direct.Drive versus belt drive. This is valuable information.
Sure thing!
Confused! Which is better? Direct drive or belt? And which is better the Speed Queen or the Whirlpool/Maytag?
I have seen the videos of this washer. How are we supposed to use laundry detergent and fabric softener? How about using bleach for whites? I'm talking about the 2018 models.
That's a good question. But I'm not gonna waste my time trying to find out, if you know what I mean. Haha
Exactly! I bet they're gonna say it's illegal to use laundry detergent and fabric softener! Let alone bleach! Excuse me! That's nasty! Excuse me?
Who are you to tell me that I can't use laundry detergent and fabric softener in addition to bleach on laundry accordingly?
Try washing let's say trevor's super dirty blue jeans and overalls after playing out in the backyard? You can't! Not even with the most top notch laundry detergent and fabric softener! Speed queen, Why?
Oh yeah, it will never work.
They will never get clean. EVER! Using laundry detergent and fabric softener at the highest TOL quality! For what? Dirty denim! SMH!
I bought the newly available (May 2019) TC5000WN. It is a return to an independent agitator and tub brake transmission. After seven years of poor performing HE washers from GE and LG, I now remember what it's like to get all the grime and soil out of my work jeans! Expensive ($1029 plus delivery and tax), but well worth it!
Awesome that it's giving ya good results! :D
What is the cutoff point date ? Anything manufactured before 2018 is ok ?
Yep! Exactly.
The 2019 TC5000WN is the revival of the older design, tweaked to meet the DOE, then includes cycle options (deep fill, true hot wash) to override the regs when you need to. Watch the model number: the TC5000WN is in the showrooms alongside the TRxxxx, and they are not the same machines.
just bought the 2019 speed queen TC5000 and dryer...redesign...some say back to old school design...hoping it was a good purchase...heard a LOT of negative reviews of the 2018 series.
It’s not as good as this 9-series, but it’s much better than the TR machines.
LWN311SP111NW22 can you tell me if this model is a reliable unit?
I think that's the commercial model? That should be fine.
We will be buying a 2018 speed queen LWN series(commercial homestyle) machine for my grandma soon.its basically a stripped down 8 series from 2017. Still has a transmission, brake, no lock, etc... it’s The last good home-style speed Queen... and I’ve heard from an outside source that they will keep making this model for the rest of 2018.
Well I hope it serves her well!
Thank your government for the change. You can still buy this machine with a coin box. The government allow them to keep making it for the laundry industry but not the home. It has nothing to do with trying to make it cheaper. If you were able to sit in on SQ classes you could learn a lot of the reasons why.
it's about energy savings - engineers design stupid things which interferes with operations and stupid govt people approve it - like smart meters, etc - they did same with hot water tanks too - the heat traps -
Caveat, Clattering Noises
If you can hear an annoying rattling sound, especially at night, suspect what are known as heat-trap nipples. These were designed to help water heaters meet federal energy conservation requirements. They consist of a nipple, which is a connector threaded at both ends, a plastic insert (have a pic but cant show here), and a marble, which is inside.
The heat trap keeps heat from rising when the water heater is not in use. But it also is prone to rattle, especially if the water heater is equipped with a recirculation system that keeps water moving. And the piping will broadcast the noise all over the house. To solve the problem, simply take a pair of needle-nose pliers, firmly grasp the top part of the insert, work it loose, and throw away the marble.
Are you serious?
Very informative video. I was at my local retailer yesterday; he's a ridiculously honest man. He admitted that SQ top loader sales this year have been great but with the exception of two units all the other sales were for the remaining 2017 models! Also said he's getting between 1-2 calls a day from people checking to see if he has any 2017's left. I've decided against a new SQ and now will just repair my old one instead.
SQ if you read this, cut your losses now and save your residential market base....bring back what customers know and love for the 2019 model year.
Oh I can believe it! I see many comments about people asking if there are any 2017 models remaining.
Sharkie626 do you know where I can find a awn432???
You'll have to check your dealers for that.
Sharkie626 Success! I found a local dealer with three AWN432SP machines in stock. Had my old machine repaired and now have a brand new one as a spare. Thanks again for this video. Btw, I got to see a 2018 TR5 in action and it is just horrible. Barely any (if at all) turnover and consumer reports already ranked the 2018 TR7 as performing the worst in top loading machines. SQ really made a huge mistake. I hope they can recover.
Hey that's great! Glad you got one!
I am so disappointed to hear this! I've wanted a Speed Queen for many years and now that my Maytag set is 17 1/2 years old, I'm thinking about what to purchase. Would you have any suggestions...I would like an agitator and I really do not want high efficiency...only because I feel they don't use enough water. I'm worried that my washer/dryer will not be around much longer and I'm clueless on what to purchase. Any help would be appreciated...Thanks! Janel in NJ
Your best bet is used markets. Either an older Speed Queen, or Whirlpool direct drive. I’m sure you can find some!
Hey @Sharkie626 they are making the classic speed queen washer it's called the TC5 series
Oh yeah I know! But those didn't exist yet at the time of this video.
@@Sharkie626 oh ok
How's it holding up? I bought a model back in 2013. Been a workhorse, no problems yet. I think it was the last of the non computerized ones.
Still working perfectly with no problems!
They brought back the Speed Queen Classic, but I'm not holding my breath that these will be on the market for long. You need a transmission and a brake for better performance. I agree with you in full.
I got and old speed I guess is at least 25 yrs. old that never misses a beat. The lid has come off I got the lid switch jumped out.
Some still available at AAA Homecenter in Little Rock Arkansas.
Hopefully whoever wants them, can grab them!
Great video Sharkie626. These pre-2018 Speed Queens were certainly better than the newer ones. I like that yours doesn’t index very much while agitating. These newer Speed Queens aren’t as good as these pre-2017 Speed Queens. As for the direct drives, it was an absolute disgrace that Whirlpool was forced to stop making them and start making these okay to unreliable belt drives. Maytag shot themselves in the foot with the Neptune front loaders which are junk. So, having said that, the washers I will take are the Speed Queen pre-2017 washers (even though I don’t like the electronics controls though since I prefer mechanical controls), the Kenmore/Whirlpool direct drives, the pre-1986 Lady Kenmore/Whirlpool belt drives, the Maytag Dependable Care washers, the GE Profile top loaders from 2006 and earlier, the GE Filter Flos, and any Frigidaire washer from the 1970s and earlier (1-18s and Unimatics for example). The only thing I don’t like about the Frigidaire 1-18s is that they were too noisy. Having said that, I’m continuing sticking with old school.
Not that it's a major deal, but I believe it was 210 degrees not a 180 degrees stroke until 2018. I agree in 2018 that with the tub and the agitator moving in the same direction, these clothing are just simply riding the currents of the water rather than having the water forced through them. Also the rollover now stinks. What I would like to see Speed Queen do is increase the size of their tub that they have not changed in years. Perhaps they could have increased the number of Strokes per minute keeping it at 210 degrees. What they had going was working because the rollover was excellent. I just feel the stroke should have been a little faster.
They advertised it as 210, but it was definitely not 210. If you watch the agitator carefully it is definitely 180. If the tub still indexes, this won't be accurate. But when it's not, you can clearly see that it does 180 degree strokes.
Now they're gonna agitate at 2.5 revolutions back and forth! What does this say about Speed Queen?
Thanks for posting this, was looking to get rid of my whirlpool but looks like I’m just gonna stay with it after all
Yeah, if it’s a direct drive, definitely keep it!!
I will simply say: I concur with your findings and agree with them completely. I think it really is a cost-cutting measure.
One other item of interest--the new machine uses a 1 HP motor and the old a 1/2 HP motor. Last I checked, a bigger motor uses more electricity than a smaller one. Sure, there are different types and kinds of motors, some designs more efficient than others. So the HP rating is one thing, but should really be compared apples-to-apples style, inasmuch as the new machine would need an induction motor also to make things equal.
Little motor: Daddy, how come you have three wires and I only have 2?
Daddy motor: That's just a phase going through you.
I knew it would get your approval! I was wondering if it was gonna be another long Jay comment (which I enjoy reading), but figured the video would cover all points necessary!
Cool motor info there! And the lines too. Haha.
LOL!!!!
jaykay18 you may be right about cost-cutting too. And Ironically these new machines are more expensive
There's nothing ironic about CORPORATE AMERICAN GREED, and it seems that's exactly what we're dealing with here.
jaykay18 You’re right. And unfortunately it will probably just keep getting worse
That's why I prefer the 2017 or older SQ Washers and Dryers with an nice mechanical knobs and the tub brakes, agitator and so-on and so-forth, or the 2019 or newer SQ TC5000 Series which the washing performance is the same as the 2017 or older ones though the control panel doesn't have a mechanical knob type, it has a rotary encoders switch on each of them with a computer type and really, washing performance is really good. I'm not talking about the TR Series from 2018 or newer, The TC Series is what I'm refer to the 2019 or newer the one they bring back to the market.
Yeah the TC 5 is okay, but lacks a lot of what this had.
As of 2/9/18, if anyone is looking for the AWN432 model, there are some available for Maryland and Southern PA. I just went and ordered mine today for delivery Monday. The owner was smart enough to order a bunch when he heard about the new models coming out for 2018. I was relieved to find one after calling around all over the place!
That's good to know! It tells ya something how crazy these older machines are selling now.
Where did you find one?
Carolyn Orner call Harpers Appliances in Ellicott City, MD. They might still have some in stock!
I went through a course that SQ put on where we took the 2018 model apart, dissected every part, then reassembled it and I have to say, I am thoroughly happy with the new models! I honestly can't wait for them to come to my store and I think that everyone is just really freaking out too early on them.
I think what most are disappointed about is not the reliability of it (time will tell that for us), but the washability of it.
doesn't take much to amuse you mayhem,,, you'd be happy with a hand crank instead of a motor ! and still say 'everyone is just really freaking out too early on them' you just have no sense of quality!
Hey Sharkie, I am sure you miss your 1990 Whirlpool direct drive. That is how I feel too since my parents bought our first newer Kenmore belt drive. That one took longer to wash our laundry. Therefore, I am suggesting to consumers as well to go to a used market and get themselves a Kenmore or Whirlpool direct drive.
A very good move. Most reliable and easiest to service machine ever!
So glad I got my 2017 model from my distributor. They had it returned from a customer because of a small dent in the left rear corner, that was not even visible in his particular configuration. My distributor sold it to me for $615! I'm good for the next 20 years, or so.
Yep! You should be all set!
Thank u for this video, im debating on washer i should get next 😩 i currently have a neptune front loader and it washes good but i started to hear bearings, and the machine is roughly 11-12 yrs old already. Im debating on either getting a SQ 2018 or an LG top loader or the LG front loader that has the 6 motion wash action. These videos are very helpful because some people say they work great others say no dont do it , ugh lol
Used markets are your friend!
Sharkie626 we have lots of used appliance stores here so ill take a look
Also look on Facebook Marketplace and any local yard sale groups on Facebook. I just found a previous model that was cross posted on those groups! It was in a house they bought, and the new owner wanted to wash a king size comforter....only reason they gave it up. They bought a new Samsung....ugh....
@@MollyMiaAndMe Welp, it's their own money that they wasted!
LG=Lots of Grief. the 2019 SQ model AWN632SP116TW01, also called TC5000WN is worth a look. I just bought one, and I think it's the best top-loader on the market. The only down-sides are the 3.2 cubic foot basket and no "RINSE-AND-SPIN" cycle option.
I sell these for a living. We are a family owned retail store that's sold SQ for years. If you would take time and look past the changes they made to "conserve energy" you'll see this is far superior over the old line. That's why they can put a 7 YEAR WARRANTY on it! The fabric tests they've done over the old models come out cleaner and have less stress. It's true the EPA regulates all washers for 2018 (across all brands) so the new eco cycle has to meet EPA regulations but seeing these in action and what they do compare to the old 9 series is amazing! SQ had 2 choices to make after the EPA came out with their new regulations, create a POS machine like Maytag, Whirlpool, and LG, or spend years thinking outside the box to make something that lives up to the Speed Queen name. They haven't educated the consumer properly to show the difference between what the DOE and the EPA set (eco setting) and the heavy duty setting which is the same setting the old models have. The eco setting will conserve water and not use hot water. The only thing they changed on the new models was eliminating the transmission and made it so the water passes through the clothes instead of the clothes moving through the water. They're still made out of steel and you wont find plastic on them where you would on other brands. You're comparing apples to apples in this video, now compare SQ to any other brand out there and you'll find it will still destroy the competition because the competition must meet guidelines as well. Yes I am a salesman, I also carry Whirlpool, LG, Samsung and Crosley in our store and I will NEVER write a review protecting their name because they're not made with the quality SQ is made with. I use them on my floor to show how much better SQ is. I can say with pride when my own personal machine goes out I won't by anything other than a Speed Queen.
Here's the problem. This is probably about the 4th comment now that has told me that these 2018 machines will be reliable. Aside from the possibly the drain pump, I did not question the reliability of the 2018 machines, time will do that for us. I am well aware they still use metal, and the supporting suspension, and I commend them for it. I was talking about the washability of the machines. I have already seen the new washing action in several videos, and comments on it. Speed Queen even advertised in their previous models that they move water through your clothes. Though to be fair, some of their advertising I question, such as the 210 degree agitation stroke which was completely false. Anyone could easily see that it was 180. But a real heavy load in the 2018 model, such as work clothes? It's not gonna do well. If it does not turn over well, then the stuff on top especially will not get washed well.
When some say that they have done testing on the new models and say they perform better, I want to know, how much water did they use, how much clothing, what type of clothing, what cycle, what detergent, and what water temperature? These are things they never tell you. But it's not limited to SQ. Back when GE came out with their Hydrowaves? They had a side by side comparison with their older model. The older model clearly had a much lower water level than the newer one. Not a fair comparison at all. If people are getting fabric wear from their machines, then they are using them wrong. I used a Whirlpool direct drive for many years. No tears, rips, holes, nothing at all. Simply wearing your clothes will wear them out faster than any properly used machine ever will.
When we went to training they showed us fabric swatches that all manufacturers have to test with before they release they're models. I'm not a rep for SQ just a retailer and most of what they test will never be public knowledge and I don't have all the info at my finger tips for what they tested. I understand that they have to hype up the product to get me excited to sell it but from what I've seen I still stand behind their new machine. After the test they put the swatch under a microscope and check stress damage and how clean each stain got. It tested higher than any brand and out performed the old SQ models. The washability mimics a rip tide affect. The new machines eco cycle goes through algorithms to give the proper amount of water to each individual load. Compared to any other brands eco cycle. The energy guide, washability, and all tests are always based off the eco or normal cycle set by the DOE and EPA. I agree only time will tell. I hope for consumer sake it lives up to the SQ name, but in my opinion it's still going to be the best option compared to the other brands out there right now.
How will it get out gough dirt on the heavy-duty cycle if the clothes don't move/
@@albatross2215 there's no way the "heavy-duty" cycle will clean your clothes and turn them over! If so, how?
Jerome Davis it’s designed not to move the clothes through the water, but move the water through the clothes. Until you actually see the results it is very hard to understand because something like this has never been done before. It will not turn your clothes over like a regular agitator. Instead it uses a drive shaft that would fit a Chevy and a 1HP motor. Since they released these I have personally sold over 50 units and have not had one customer call in about clothes not being cleaned properly. It’s been the exact opposite. They are referring their family and friends because they have never had a washer perform so well, with a full cycle time under an hour and is quieter than the older models. I can promise you if you purchase any of the new models you will not be disappointed. They back up their TR7 machine with a 7 year warranty which is unheard of because they know they build a quality machine. There’s nothing I can say or do to change how you perceive the new wash cycle. Instead ask a pro....select 5 random servicers in your area and ask them what washing machines they recommend and what does the best job. They work on all brands everyday. I would guess 3 out of 5 will say SQ (unless the servicer owns their own appl. store and does not carry SQ, they will only say what they carry) I hope whatever brand of machine you choose in the future does a great job for you and I hope this answers your question.
Listen here,
I have one of these newer 2018 speed queens and they're not bad at all. Everyone is just being hysterical.
You even said yourself that has double the horsepower!
SQ2017= 1/2 hp.
New Queens= 1 full HP.
I'll agree with you it doesn't wash as well as the older ones,
but here is were you're wrong.
I never have to worry about breaking the agitator or having the "dogs" wear out on the agitator.
FYI... you don't need a tub break when you have a lid lock!
Mine works fine. the older ones may have been a slightly better wash, but it's still really good.
Yes, it HAS to be more horsepower because it's trying to turn a tub full of water and clothes. It's not done to make it work any better over the previous models, but it looks like you acknowledge that. I have not seen agitators breaking, unless maybe someone is severely overloading a machine, which in that case is user error. And, this machine has no agitator dogs because it's a one piece, not a dual-action. Even so, on our previous machine, the dogs lasted 11 years, and then 15 years after the first replacement. Considering the replacements cost about $6.00, and labor is minimal, it's really not much of a loss at all. Lid locks were only added BECAUSE they got rid of the tub brake, which was a dumb move. It's stupid how you have to stop the machine to open the lid, where for years, that was never a problem.
@@Sharkie626 Who are all these people stopping the machine mid-cycle? I've never had to do that. The newer model still gives you a chance to throw more clothes before the lid is locked down.
Frigidaire agitub or this?
I still have my 1993 Whirlpool Direct Drive washer and it still runs very well. If I get a new washing machine I would go for another Whirlpool or Kenmore Direct Drive washer from the used market.
Exactly the right thing to do! Or you can probably repair the 1993 machine. Direct drive parts will be around for years.
heck yea! whirlpools are awesome. thats what my new glasstop stove is :)
Have had my Whirlpool heavy duty since 1986! I wonder if the new WP will last as long?
1986?? Wow, that's the first year they came out! Pretty awesome! The new WPs last as long as that? Not a chance!
yes, it amazes me. I did two loads today including a big comforter. It is direct drive with simple controls. If it goes before me, I will cry. I washed my daughter's clothes in it when she was little. Don't like all the new computer crap. Maybe that's why I drive an old Subaru. (it's still running great too!)
I thought the whole reason for redesign was to meet the DOE's guidelines to save water.................if they still fill up to the top what's the point? Why not stay with the tried and true design they had. Glad I bought my set in 2013.........has worked flawlessly
All part of cost-cutting I think. I mean check out that energy guide! I'm sure your 2013 machine will work for years!
Sad to see an old company with a fantastic product succumb to govt and competitor pressure
The good news is we got our machine when we did! I am seriously thinking they just wanted to cut costs. I don't see what regulations the previous ones were not meeting.
When and if something happens to my machine I will definitely be repairing it. Gone are the days of ditching a washer because of a bad pump, timer, tub seal, transmission, etc...........we're way better off to fix a machine that really works
I hear that, man!
my understanding is that all laundry appliances are made by the same company and they just slap on different names - Maytag, Whirlpool etc - can anyone confirm this statement?
Whirlpool slaps about a dozen different names on a handful of different washer models. Salespersons insist that LG and Samsung are different from each other, but somehow I don't believe it. GE is still independent, or was last I heard. Alliance Laundry Systems LLC makes Speed Queen, Huebsch, and IPSO in Ripon, Wisconsin. Basically, though, if you find a machine in a big box store, stay away. Maytag puts a "COMMERCIAL TECHNOLOGY" label on just about everything they sell through the big box stores. Don't be fooled. Those are mediocre, and that's giving the worst of it to mediocrity. They also build true "COMMERCIAL" washers, model number MVWP575GW which is available around $800 plus tax and delivery. I just bought the newly available SQ TC5000WN and like it so far.
I just purchased a TC5 for that reason. I just can’t picture a group of Speed Queen engineers watching the wash action of their TR series and saying, “yup, we nailed it”.
Right? They were not right in the head at all.