Does the AWD Lexus RX 450h Pass or Fail the TFL Slip Test?
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You should put a note on here, saying you ran into technical difficulties and that's three wheel test is missing or at least, mentioned it in the video. Plus I'm interested, what technical difficulties did you run into, recording or vehicle (electric motor over heated?)
Where is the ramp test you put the Subaru through?
I believe you accidentally linked the RUclips Studio edit link for the video rather than the public-facing link. :)
Where is the 3rd roller I think it’s only a fair comparison to have all the cars do the same test... don’t be bias towards one car
Be interested to see the non-electrified Lexus. Where was the 3 roller test..Not to mention the uphill that got mentioned? I really wish you wouldn't treat your viewers like complete dunces. The reason you won't do a comparison tests with the Lexus/Highlanders non-hybrids is that you know that there would be a lot of disillusioned owners out there, and Toyota wouldn't like that !!! I think you/Toyota would rather have the owners of these non-hybrids thinking that at least there AWD system is better than the Hybrids, when in actual fact it may be on par, or only slightly better at best. So much for TRANSPERITY in the land of TFL!!
Agree with you. The way this car is setup Gas FWD electric rear is a completely different breed.
Dave Smith It shouldn’t matter when a consumer is paying $50k.
@@radzer0966 yeah when you buy this car you know it's mostly fwd. The electric motors don't work based on slip, they add more power to try and keep the engine at an efficient rpm. I think this test was pointless.
@@radzer0966 but it was also wrong of Lexus to call it all weather all wheel drive.
The 450h awd is terrible hit a patch of snow and the battery’s where low and after 10min we got stuck !
You need to switch it to "snow" mode for your first test. That way the rear motor will engage immediately.
Nope lol what kind of stupid logic is that
@@truthtimetv4575 I hope that is sarcasm. Otherwise you really don’t know how the Lexus 450h works. The Lexus 450h is not your standard AWD in that the rear-end is not connected to the rest of the drivetrain. The rear-end has an independent motor.
@@YingJwo correct 👍🏾
@@truthtimetv4575the h is for hybrid.
It's a front wheel drive, with rear hybrid drive.
Where is the snow mode? Have one and can't find it.
Loving the AWD testing. As previous Subaru owner I felt their system was better than most. Love to see some more common cars tested. Base CRV AWD, etc.
You guys forgot the hill test
Thank you Tommy, good job, enjoy your honest straight forward reviews
Wow it's cool how you guys got snow already, still 92° here in Tampa FL
The roller setup should be the same every time, bring back the incline test, and add a 3rd test with a block in front of a wheel, or a trailer with some weight and see what happens!
Thank you for sharing. Awesome review. Well needed info. Keep it up. Don’t want to be stuck anywhere
RX and NX have minimal AWD capacity. It's more of a "it's there if you need it" philosophy. If you are regurlarly off road- GX or LX are almost unbeatable.
He didn't test it correctly in the roller test, because Of the unique way they do all well drive they should have hit snow mode Is in order to make the rear react immediately
Really interesting results, I think you should bring back the incline test, Also I think 3 wheels on rollers and one wheel blocked in. Lets face it, I want to see a challenge that the vehicle can't do, or only a few can. Lets test some low range and diff locks!
Great video, Tommy. Great to have practical tests if AWD systems and not just manufacturer’s claims. Do you guys know if Audi still uses AWD system from Toyota? Love seeing Boulder and the mountains in your videos! Long time Boulderite moved to Texas.
Great series! And great improvements in the testing. One more tip. Get an extra set of ramps and put them on front and back so you don’t have to get out of the car between mounting and test.
its nice to see a safecar cuts power down so much so its every time under control.....my wife needs that in wintertime . We own a 2010 RX450H and the snow mode helps out well but cuts out with some speed.
Love these new tests.!
Me too. It's pretty good.
Thank you for your video from your fan in Thailand. I like it. Please, keep doing it. If it is possible, please show new Forester 2019 test as well. Moreover, it will be good, if you can show 3 rollers.
Why didn't you do the 3 roller test like you did for the Subaru? Or the rollers on the slope test? Be fair and unbiased please (even though it's clear you want the Subaru to look worse than everything else) Keep up the good videos!
FYI: We did the test but because of technical difficulties we were unable to publish it with this video. Next time we get the car again, we'll reshot the test and publish the results.
@@TFLcar thanks for the reply 👍👍
I actually thought, they didn't want the Lexus to look really bad compared to a much cheaper AWD car/SUV.
I thought maybe they were afraid it would damage the Lexus.
Guess you forgot that they also showed the Lexus failing a test?
love this test, please do it with more cars like like Mercedes 4 matic, Jeep Quadra-drive 1 and 2, and Jaguar/Range Rover AWD
Alex Quadra drive 1 & 2!! Yes! & Q4
Test the acura sh-awd system, especially now that they’ve got two versions of the system to include the mechanical and hybrid systems
There’s no test on a hill like Tommy said at the beginning of the video....
FYI: We did the hill test but because of technical difficulties we were unable to show it in this video. Next time we get the car again, we will redo and publish the results.
@@TFLcar I personally think you need to test with one less roller (with a larger gap between the two rollers) creating an increased DROP /vertical height that the wheels with traction have to overcome.
Some of the most challenging roller tests that I have come across on YT were with this roller gap being large enough for even Subarus to struggle despite being on level ground (volvo's old model xc90 with haldex fared well compared to others during the 3-wheels-on-roller test if I recall correctly).
Tommy, I still think you should try to come up with some kind of way to connect each car to a scale type device which is in turn connected to a stationary object to get an idea of the force each vehicle imparts to the ground in each scenario. That, IMO, is the best way to compare each vehicle and doesn't require them to be on an incline.
@@TFLcar Have you already done the hill test?
hope you guys test all vehicles in the slip test. good info
Thanks guys this is nice and Tommy thanks for reading the comments this time you didn't do the 3 wheel test and please can we have one for the Pilot and the Atlas thank you
That rear motor is basically just a push motor to give it a push so the front wheels can get traction and do the rest of the work. I’m glad you read all the comments, gives me a chance to say how cute you are!!
Put ramps on both sides of the roller so that you don’t have to move them when you do another test to the front/back of the roller
Darcy Wall Or just place the rollers behind the tire and back onto them.
This reminded me of my 2008 Honda CR-V and 2009 Honda Pilot both AWD FWD Bias. Being parked in between 2 cars in Brooklyn NY it’s very freighting to be pushed forward without expectation once the power kicks to the rear wheels. Almost rear ended a few cars with those vehicles. Ever since then I opted to go with subaru and never a AWD / 4wd system that’s front wheel bias or rear wheel bias
Good review
It took two revolutions of the tire before it pulled off on the first test. That's not a lot of wheel spin.
Love this test this should be done on all all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive
If you love it, then check my channel :)
What happens if you put it in EV mode? Does it only give power to the rear wheels? Interesting to see that in the slip test
Try the Lexus RX300. I'd like to see how that works with your test because I've seen it in action in snow and inclement weather and it is awesome.
That probably wouldn't be the Toyota I choose. It may sound odd but most times I think the body styling on the reguler toyota's look better than the Lexus. And I think I would prefer the capability of something like the 4Runner or Tacoma.
Would love to see the VW Altas 4motion system. My wife has it and always wondered how good it really was.
U guys should try an Acura with Sh-awd. To see if it lives to its name
Good job Guys
Could you do the 2018 Ford escape?, I just bought one, and I am wondering how it would perform
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the rear drive shut off completely at 25 MPH? It does in the Rav4 hybrid which is one reason we bought a 2020 Outback XT
I would love to test the new subaru forester xmode. It is supposed to allow wheels to spin offroad now for mud. Hopefully it wont cut power like the old outback does. Maybe you could test drive one up goldmine hill
What about the opposite diagonal wheels and 3 roller test? Or the inclined loading dock? This is a cool new segment for TFL but it needs to be consistent.
Test the Mitsubishi outlander!!
Subaru's AWD FTW. Thanks for the awesome review, Tommy!
@Ua la Halizeti no.
Hello this was very interesting test. What kind of result do you guys think will come out if it was RX 350? I have 2015 RX350. Love to see how rx 350 will do... thanks again!!
Kyung Chung Are you sure you want to see how RX350 do...?
You know you want to try this with an Avtoros Shaman...might need to buy a few more of those rollers though.
Lexus/Toyota puts a disclaimer that eAWD is not for people who depend on AWD. It does help a lot on rain, up hill, cornering etc. It will also make tires last longer as they will not have to provide all the traction during acceleration.
When having passengers, the front tires will slip in FF vehicles. eAWD will limit the spin.
It is a good solution, as it is cheap and works really well in heavy hybrid vehicle - SUV and MPV. It is just people who do not do research, have little understanding and want Rubicon performance from RX hybrid ;)
THIS ! it also helps me out on snow in snow mode very well !
Where'd the hill test go?
Systems work better than ever but put a small ramp under the wheel with grip and test to see if that awd system can even work going up hill.
Good video. Yellow wax marker on tires to show revolutions.
I would like to see a Volvo performing this test! Especially a comparison of a normal (non hybrid) and a t8
My girlfriend's rx350 has a "snow mode" it tightens up the awd alot and makes going in the snow alot better. Have you tried that?
teague fitzwater If you mean ECT SNOW mode, I tried that. RX350 (previous generations) was not able to pass diagonal test, no matter what mode you use.
@Mr. Cairo ok man 👍
Tommy stated that the Subaru performed much better than this vehicle. Where are all the people who claim that TFL is always trying to make Subaru look bad?
I went to the New York International Auto Show several months ago and told a Subaru representative that I am done with Subaru, since they are dropping the turbocharged Forester.
I hope to be trading in my 2016 Forester XT a week from today on a 2019 RAM 1500 Rebel quad cab with a 5.7 eTorque engine, electric rear locker, and air suspension.
It will be my daily driver and more importantly, it will allow me to pull my big Jeep on a trailer.
Tommy and the TFL crew, search my name on RUclips. I have posted several wheeling videos of my 2007 Wrangler Unlimited.
It's Roman who has a sour taste towards Subaru. I'm glad Tommy is here to demonstrate instead of Roman.
David Santora it's my understanding that the turbo was not selling enough to justify continuing it in the latest iteration of the Forester. So don't hate Subaru for that they are in the business to make a profit. Regardless you have to do what's best for you and spend your hard earned money on the vehicle that fits your needs best.
@@vedder10 I don't hate Subaru, I am just upset they will no longer make any vehicles which interest me.
Would love to see this test with proper 4x4s too. Are all systems created equal?
Nice test. Where can I buy rollers like that?
I did notice in the roller test when the camera showed the gauge cluster you had it in EV mode. Maybe try at least Normal if not Power mode?
Would love to see an Acura RDX comparison!
Sounds like a similar awd system the RAV4 Hybrid. I was considering buying one earlier the year but the design of the awd system scared me away
Cherokee trail hawk next or Audi
Yea, the Cherokee might break into pieces
The Audi would do do good they don’t even need a video on it
Audi R8 10+
@@AQCE245 doubt it if its trail rated it should be fine
Will be interesting to see the Acura MDX Sport Hybrid.
Test a Ford Taurus SHO, would love to see how it performs
Seem to work well.. without a Rear Dif... good job
This technology in the Lexus was installed on the 2011 Toyota Highlander hybrid... put that sucker in full ev mode and have some torque fun
4 or 5 inches of snow, 🤔. I've taken my Outback into fields while hunting with over two feet of snow and never gotten stuck.
Subaru unreliable compared to Lexus sadly
@@svein-haraldribland8559 Oh you can say that AGAIN - and AGAIN - and...need I continue?
Those rollers are starting to squeal so the bearings might be getting messed up. Are you sure they are rated to hold a car? If no then the longer you use them the more the bearings will get worn out, the less rolling resistance to the wheels.
Promised uphill/slope test missing? Otherwise great test, thanks!
Id love to see how the 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD does.
K. Theodos I don't know how 2019, but 2018 did great in such test!
Can you guys test the HTRAC system of Hyundai with the g70 or g80? I know the system is based off xdrive bmw system with tweaks. I’d like to know how it performs. Thank you
Please do this test using a grand Cherokee with the off road package to show the difference between SAND, SNOW, MUD, and ROCK settings.
Nice video. But why no 3 rollers test?
I'll tell you why. Lexus cars are known to fail this test miserably. And I suspect TFL guys know it very well. Another evidence of rigging the tests. Toyota RAV hybrids have the hard times too.
Please do the RX350, you’ve only used the hybrids in youR off-road and this test.
Could you do a slip test on 2019 Toyota Highlander (non hybrid) and Honda Pilot please.
Still better than Honda's AWD system
Dang when nathan was talking you can hear the engine revving up and down constantly.
You all should do the 18 or 19 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid to see how it compares to this Lexus.
holding the esc button down for about 5 seconds also turns off stability control along with the traction
Would you guys be able to test out the Golf Alltrack as well as a Tiguan and Atlas?
B8.5 S4 I tested Tiguan, not bad.
You should put a note on here, saying you ran into technical difficulties and that the three wheel test is missing or at least, mentioned it in the video. Plus I'm interested, what technical difficulties did you run into, recording or vehicle (electric motor over heated?)
Subaru 1 - Others 0
I have seen many ppl complaining about the failing tests. I have to say this is not a real off-road car. Choose another brand for off-road conditions at a cost of less MPG. Remember the real 4WD technically always requires more gas than 2WD.
I nominate the 'Updated' 2019 Outlander GT next on the rollers, Mitsubishi would kill for the for the chance to lend you a car!
Can you do a VW Golf Alltrack next?
There is nothing AWD about this system, this vehicle is EXCLUSIVELY for city driving and thats it. Just a fun fyi for you.
Can you compare the Tesla X in the snow with the Lexus?
Where did the third roller go?
Hey Tommy ! Try screwing some strips of old tires to the bottom of your rollers.
Can you do the RDX 2019 next?
I want to see jaguar F pace AWD test and Porsche Cayenne...
would like to see the Ford Raptor in your test for slippage. they claim to have possibly the most advanced system, software and hardware, for variable conditions.
Test the Honda pilot on all these test!! Plz!!
What do you mean by "Patented" slip test? There is a whole youtube channel that is doing such tests from 2015 - ruclips.net/user/duszaniespokojna.?
Do ford edge awd system in snow, and also on rollers.
The answer is simple - the battery here is a small 2 kWh which doesn't provide enough power to the rear axle - so the engine has to spin up, powering the MG1 motor generator to provide extra electricity to be ferried back to the rear drive motor to propel the car forward. Unfortunately spinning the engine also means a lot of wheelspin will happen on the front wheels.
Toyota's hybrid AWD system is efficient but it is not the greatest implementation of an AWD design of an electrified vehicle out there.
New M5 awd test?
It's not an off-road vehicle
It did so bad on the first test b/c the electric motors only make 67 horsepower...which is barely enough to move the rx when the front wheels have no traction. The regular rx would do much better b/c it can send up to 150 horsepower to the rear wheels through the mechanical driveshaft (which the hybrid version lacks) when the front wheels have no traction
My gosh Lexus have massive front overhangs. I can only imagine all those roaming about with front scratches there.
I've been an owner of Subaru and Audi, I live in Andorra (Europe) where in the winter we have lots of snow and stip mounrain roads. The AWD system of both Subaru (being best) and Audi cannot compare to Toyota/Lexus. Nevertheless I am an owner of this Lexus RX and must say that i am not disapointed at all. It drives safe in snow (driving safely...) and takes you where you need to go, always within roads. I would not take this car offroading of course...
that´s exactly what i learned from it too.....i like this car very much.
Still didnt do only front tires with traction not sure why you arent testing this also?
Please do the latest Kia Sorrento since they are advertising off-roadability.
could you please test the ford escape awd with this test??
Please make video of suv on all 4 rollers
did you test both diagonals?
When I was looking for big awd/4x4 car, I did look at 450h too. But it seems it has a big flaw. The electric motor is not nearly powerful enough to act as replacement to driveshaft. All videos I found show the rear axle failing to provide torque when needed (when fw axle was spinning). Also as this video shows, power is sent to back too late. 4wd is safety equipment, but only when it's providing constant power to all wheels. AWD lite (fwd+rear "when neeeded") is usually pretty lackluster.
That's why the RX snow mode, which forces AWD
The awd on this Lexus only needs to be adequate enough to get through the icy snowy Whole Foods parking lot
so does the manual mention ;-) No Offroad AWD