You should put a note on here, saying you ran into technical difficulties and that's three wheel test is missing or at least, mentioned it in the video. Plus I'm interested, what technical difficulties did you run into, recording or vehicle (electric motor over heated?)
RX and NX have minimal AWD capacity. It's more of a "it's there if you need it" philosophy. If you are regurlarly off road- GX or LX are almost unbeatable.
He didn't test it correctly in the roller test, because Of the unique way they do all well drive they should have hit snow mode Is in order to make the rear react immediately
@@truthtimetv4575 I hope that is sarcasm. Otherwise you really don’t know how the Lexus 450h works. The Lexus 450h is not your standard AWD in that the rear-end is not connected to the rest of the drivetrain. The rear-end has an independent motor.
Loving the AWD testing. As previous Subaru owner I felt their system was better than most. Love to see some more common cars tested. Base CRV AWD, etc.
The roller setup should be the same every time, bring back the incline test, and add a 3rd test with a block in front of a wheel, or a trailer with some weight and see what happens!
its nice to see a safecar cuts power down so much so its every time under control.....my wife needs that in wintertime . We own a 2010 RX450H and the snow mode helps out well but cuts out with some speed.
Really interesting results, I think you should bring back the incline test, Also I think 3 wheels on rollers and one wheel blocked in. Lets face it, I want to see a challenge that the vehicle can't do, or only a few can. Lets test some low range and diff locks!
That rear motor is basically just a push motor to give it a push so the front wheels can get traction and do the rest of the work. I’m glad you read all the comments, gives me a chance to say how cute you are!!
Why didn't you do the 3 roller test like you did for the Subaru? Or the rollers on the slope test? Be fair and unbiased please (even though it's clear you want the Subaru to look worse than everything else) Keep up the good videos!
FYI: We did the test but because of technical difficulties we were unable to publish it with this video. Next time we get the car again, we'll reshot the test and publish the results.
This reminded me of my 2008 Honda CR-V and 2009 Honda Pilot both AWD FWD Bias. Being parked in between 2 cars in Brooklyn NY it’s very freighting to be pushed forward without expectation once the power kicks to the rear wheels. Almost rear ended a few cars with those vehicles. Ever since then I opted to go with subaru and never a AWD / 4wd system that’s front wheel bias or rear wheel bias
Lexus/Toyota puts a disclaimer that eAWD is not for people who depend on AWD. It does help a lot on rain, up hill, cornering etc. It will also make tires last longer as they will not have to provide all the traction during acceleration. When having passengers, the front tires will slip in FF vehicles. eAWD will limit the spin. It is a good solution, as it is cheap and works really well in heavy hybrid vehicle - SUV and MPV. It is just people who do not do research, have little understanding and want Rubicon performance from RX hybrid ;)
Great series! And great improvements in the testing. One more tip. Get an extra set of ramps and put them on front and back so you don’t have to get out of the car between mounting and test.
Thank you for your video from your fan in Thailand. I like it. Please, keep doing it. If it is possible, please show new Forester 2019 test as well. Moreover, it will be good, if you can show 3 rollers.
Great video, Tommy. Great to have practical tests if AWD systems and not just manufacturer’s claims. Do you guys know if Audi still uses AWD system from Toyota? Love seeing Boulder and the mountains in your videos! Long time Boulderite moved to Texas.
This car is the only one let me get stuck heading out to Rockies where my 4 season cottage is. In deep snow rear wheel floats instead of digging in maybe because light weight of rear end? BMW X5, Audi SQ5, Benz ML550 had no issues under same condition. I traded the 450h for another vehicle. IMO, 450h is not a good choice where weather gets cold and snowy in winter. When COLD fuel savings diminish too.
as mentioned in the Lexus manual....its AWD is NOT for offroad. I have the same car and prefer it over any of our german brands because its so reliable, easy to maintain and good.
That probably wouldn't be the Toyota I choose. It may sound odd but most times I think the body styling on the reguler toyota's look better than the Lexus. And I think I would prefer the capability of something like the 4Runner or Tacoma.
Tommy stated that the Subaru performed much better than this vehicle. Where are all the people who claim that TFL is always trying to make Subaru look bad?
I went to the New York International Auto Show several months ago and told a Subaru representative that I am done with Subaru, since they are dropping the turbocharged Forester. I hope to be trading in my 2016 Forester XT a week from today on a 2019 RAM 1500 Rebel quad cab with a 5.7 eTorque engine, electric rear locker, and air suspension. It will be my daily driver and more importantly, it will allow me to pull my big Jeep on a trailer.
David Santora it's my understanding that the turbo was not selling enough to justify continuing it in the latest iteration of the Forester. So don't hate Subaru for that they are in the business to make a profit. Regardless you have to do what's best for you and spend your hard earned money on the vehicle that fits your needs best.
Hello this was very interesting test. What kind of result do you guys think will come out if it was RX 350? I have 2015 RX350. Love to see how rx 350 will do... thanks again!!
The answer is simple - the battery here is a small 2 kWh which doesn't provide enough power to the rear axle - so the engine has to spin up, powering the MG1 motor generator to provide extra electricity to be ferried back to the rear drive motor to propel the car forward. Unfortunately spinning the engine also means a lot of wheelspin will happen on the front wheels. Toyota's hybrid AWD system is efficient but it is not the greatest implementation of an AWD design of an electrified vehicle out there.
When I was looking for big awd/4x4 car, I did look at 450h too. But it seems it has a big flaw. The electric motor is not nearly powerful enough to act as replacement to driveshaft. All videos I found show the rear axle failing to provide torque when needed (when fw axle was spinning). Also as this video shows, power is sent to back too late. 4wd is safety equipment, but only when it's providing constant power to all wheels. AWD lite (fwd+rear "when neeeded") is usually pretty lackluster.
Thanks guys this is nice and Tommy thanks for reading the comments this time you didn't do the 3 wheel test and please can we have one for the Pilot and the Atlas thank you
I've been an owner of Subaru and Audi, I live in Andorra (Europe) where in the winter we have lots of snow and stip mounrain roads. The AWD system of both Subaru (being best) and Audi cannot compare to Toyota/Lexus. Nevertheless I am an owner of this Lexus RX and must say that i am not disapointed at all. It drives safe in snow (driving safely...) and takes you where you need to go, always within roads. I would not take this car offroading of course...
I have seen many ppl complaining about the failing tests. I have to say this is not a real off-road car. Choose another brand for off-road conditions at a cost of less MPG. Remember the real 4WD technically always requires more gas than 2WD.
I'll tell you why. Lexus cars are known to fail this test miserably. And I suspect TFL guys know it very well. Another evidence of rigging the tests. Toyota RAV hybrids have the hard times too.
It's starting to look like the rollers on the left front wheel were starting to bind. Perhaps the bearings in those rollers aren't designed to hold that much weight, and they're starting to seize? The squealing I heard in them during the test suggests as much.
I have this car in AWD hybrid with 19" wheel package in 2013 year, and I will tell you the EPA mileage estimate is garbage. I NEVER get over 26 mpg ever, local or even on a long highway trip, even with AC off. In town I get 21 with AC on. I don't drive like a turtle though. If I use regular grade gas (in CA) I get worse mileage. AC off and 91 gas, on local 30-40 mph roads I get maybe 23. If I am really gunning it around it gets 20. Yes 20. If I had known this was the case I might have gone with the used X5 diesel (and dealt with costly BMW service). It does have some go I will say, and the Mark Levinson audio is amazing. I've had no service/maintenance issues with Lexus, just oil/tires. 45k to 73k miles, bought used. Yes the CVT is annoying and whiney when pushed. Ventilated seats, reliability, and quiet ride are nice.
BsurfChillin it’s a 5000 pound AWD brick. 26mpg is pretty good. Our 2014 RX gets 22-23mpg on the highway. You need to buy a much lighter vehicle that is lower to get well over 30mpg. Consider a Prius V.
What about the opposite diagonal wheels and 3 roller test? Or the inclined loading dock? This is a cool new segment for TFL but it needs to be consistent.
It did so bad on the first test b/c the electric motors only make 67 horsepower...which is barely enough to move the rx when the front wheels have no traction. The regular rx would do much better b/c it can send up to 150 horsepower to the rear wheels through the mechanical driveshaft (which the hybrid version lacks) when the front wheels have no traction
You should put a note on here, saying you ran into technical difficulties and that the three wheel test is missing or at least, mentioned it in the video. Plus I'm interested, what technical difficulties did you run into, recording or vehicle (electric motor over heated?) Subaru 1 - Others 0
FYI: We did the hill test but because of technical difficulties we were unable to show it in this video. Next time we get the car again, we will redo and publish the results.
@@TFLcar I personally think you need to test with one less roller (with a larger gap between the two rollers) creating an increased DROP /vertical height that the wheels with traction have to overcome. Some of the most challenging roller tests that I have come across on YT were with this roller gap being large enough for even Subarus to struggle despite being on level ground (volvo's old model xc90 with haldex fared well compared to others during the 3-wheels-on-roller test if I recall correctly).
Tommy, I still think you should try to come up with some kind of way to connect each car to a scale type device which is in turn connected to a stationary object to get an idea of the force each vehicle imparts to the ground in each scenario. That, IMO, is the best way to compare each vehicle and doesn't require them to be on an incline.
How about you try the sport mode with the same test. I am sure the electric drive system would be more responsive and would respond immediately. You get more of the electric drive if you drive in sport mode. The electric drive speeds are higher and provide more support for the combustion motor.
Those rollers are starting to squeal so the bearings might be getting messed up. Are you sure they are rated to hold a car? If no then the longer you use them the more the bearings will get worn out, the less rolling resistance to the wheels.
It didn't look like you used Snow Mode. In this mode power goes to the rear wheels straight away without waiting and thinking if the surface is slippery or not.
I am disappointed, you didn’t do the test with three wheels on the rollers. This Lexus is heavier on its rear wheels because the Hybrid batteries are under the seat. It would have more traction than a Outback on a single wheel off the rollers. However, we do not know if Lexus is capable of transferring power to a single wheel.
Why didn’t you do the 3 wheel test? Then you could find out how well the power is provided in the rear by the electric motor. Or at least swap sides on the 2 wheel front/rear test
Subaru makes it look easy. But as anyone knows, that test is only passed by vehicles that actually have a working AWD, not just the badge. Unfortunately a lot of AWD cars and SUVs are just that, the badge. Front wheel drive biased.
teague fitzwater If you mean ECT SNOW mode, I tried that. RX350 (previous generations) was not able to pass diagonal test, no matter what mode you use.
You need to hold the traction button to fully disengage traction and stability. I was waiting to see 3 out of 4 wheels on rollers with only one rear wheel on the pavement. Bummer. Let’s see a GX next.
Probably should explain that all AWD don't work the same way. Kinda hard to compare the system if the system is made to get the vehicle going verses made to stay in awd . Thats more of a buyer's preference than who's system is better
If I bought this for the AWD I would be highly disappointed. If it can’t come off the rollers level we know it wouldn’t happen on the hill haha. Try the Pro 4X Titan without the locking diff!
The Lexus is VASTLY more reliable. WHEN will Subaru FINALLY re-design their engine so the inevitable HEAD GASKET doesn't raise its ugly head at 90,000 - 100,000 miles?
I would love to test the new subaru forester xmode. It is supposed to allow wheels to spin offroad now for mud. Hopefully it wont cut power like the old outback does. Maybe you could test drive one up goldmine hill
Subaru Outback has symetrical AWD system that has been much more upper level than Lexus AWD . Lexus is focused on Luxury, where as Subaru has been focused on durability.
would like to see the Ford Raptor in your test for slippage. they claim to have possibly the most advanced system, software and hardware, for variable conditions.
The Lexus is basically a front wheel drive car with some electric "help" in the back. Turn off traction control, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you've got a front wheel drive only car. If you want to do donuts in a front wheel drive car, you gotta do them BACKWARDS. Sheesh. And they forgot the hill slip test at the end that they said they were gonna do. I like this channel, but this was not one of the best vids I've seen from here. 8-( Keep pumpin' them out tho! 8-)
Actually you use the hand brake to get the rear to come out, then feed in a little throttle to hold it steady, coming around. Did that all the time with my fwd honda civic si.
@@jjr007 True, I agree. I've had fun doing that as well. But to do true "donuts" you have to have the drive wheel/s "pushing" you around to what is classically known as donuts. Or maybe people call more than one thing "doing donuts" now? That could be as well. I'm not saying I'm up on everything for sure. lol.
its not a real awd, as you can see back wheels are only powered by the hybrid system. it means gas powered engine is NOT connected to the back wheels. im worried about it in canadian winter
I would be interested in seeing this test done with both back wheels on the rollers and the car put in reverse. I heard that only there rear wheel electric motors are used for reverse. This would mean no AWD.
Can you simply stop it on a snowy hill and see what happens? Only interested in real world examples- real world driving conditions. The first test with the front wheels was not encouraging. That scenario would be the most common- front wheels on snow/ice. You should not have to spin the wheels that much to gain traction. Subaru's excel at that test.
I'm gonna give it 👎👎looks like the back wheels barely want to turn and as for the the opposite corner traction test at the end I believe it was all on the front right tire so basically I good front lsd in the front but if it was three tires slipping it would of never been able to get off the rollers and speaking of that where did you get those rollers from ? I would like to test some cars with those things
BTW: You can also check out how the Subaru Outback performed on the TFL slip test here: ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=zE5hfbhN5FM
The Fast Lane Car now do the AWD Toyota Sienna, please! And put it through gold mind! Please........
You should put a note on here, saying you ran into technical difficulties and that's three wheel test is missing or at least, mentioned it in the video. Plus I'm interested, what technical difficulties did you run into, recording or vehicle (electric motor over heated?)
Where is the ramp test you put the Subaru through?
I believe you accidentally linked the RUclips Studio edit link for the video rather than the public-facing link. :)
Where is the 3rd roller I think it’s only a fair comparison to have all the cars do the same test... don’t be bias towards one car
RX and NX have minimal AWD capacity. It's more of a "it's there if you need it" philosophy. If you are regurlarly off road- GX or LX are almost unbeatable.
He didn't test it correctly in the roller test, because Of the unique way they do all well drive they should have hit snow mode Is in order to make the rear react immediately
You need to switch it to "snow" mode for your first test. That way the rear motor will engage immediately.
Nope lol what kind of stupid logic is that
@@truthtimetv4575 I hope that is sarcasm. Otherwise you really don’t know how the Lexus 450h works. The Lexus 450h is not your standard AWD in that the rear-end is not connected to the rest of the drivetrain. The rear-end has an independent motor.
@@YingJwo correct 👍🏾
@@truthtimetv4575the h is for hybrid.
It's a front wheel drive, with rear hybrid drive.
Where is the snow mode? Have one and can't find it.
Loving the AWD testing. As previous Subaru owner I felt their system was better than most. Love to see some more common cars tested. Base CRV AWD, etc.
The roller setup should be the same every time, bring back the incline test, and add a 3rd test with a block in front of a wheel, or a trailer with some weight and see what happens!
its nice to see a safecar cuts power down so much so its every time under control.....my wife needs that in wintertime . We own a 2010 RX450H and the snow mode helps out well but cuts out with some speed.
Really interesting results, I think you should bring back the incline test, Also I think 3 wheels on rollers and one wheel blocked in. Lets face it, I want to see a challenge that the vehicle can't do, or only a few can. Lets test some low range and diff locks!
That rear motor is basically just a push motor to give it a push so the front wheels can get traction and do the rest of the work. I’m glad you read all the comments, gives me a chance to say how cute you are!!
Why didn't you do the 3 roller test like you did for the Subaru? Or the rollers on the slope test? Be fair and unbiased please (even though it's clear you want the Subaru to look worse than everything else) Keep up the good videos!
FYI: We did the test but because of technical difficulties we were unable to publish it with this video. Next time we get the car again, we'll reshot the test and publish the results.
@@TFLcar thanks for the reply 👍👍
I actually thought, they didn't want the Lexus to look really bad compared to a much cheaper AWD car/SUV.
I thought maybe they were afraid it would damage the Lexus.
Guess you forgot that they also showed the Lexus failing a test?
Put ramps on both sides of the roller so that you don’t have to move them when you do another test to the front/back of the roller
Darcy Wall Or just place the rollers behind the tire and back onto them.
This reminded me of my 2008 Honda CR-V and 2009 Honda Pilot both AWD FWD Bias. Being parked in between 2 cars in Brooklyn NY it’s very freighting to be pushed forward without expectation once the power kicks to the rear wheels. Almost rear ended a few cars with those vehicles. Ever since then I opted to go with subaru and never a AWD / 4wd system that’s front wheel bias or rear wheel bias
love this test, please do it with more cars like like Mercedes 4 matic, Jeep Quadra-drive 1 and 2, and Jaguar/Range Rover AWD
Alex Quadra drive 1 & 2!! Yes! & Q4
Lexus/Toyota puts a disclaimer that eAWD is not for people who depend on AWD. It does help a lot on rain, up hill, cornering etc. It will also make tires last longer as they will not have to provide all the traction during acceleration.
When having passengers, the front tires will slip in FF vehicles. eAWD will limit the spin.
It is a good solution, as it is cheap and works really well in heavy hybrid vehicle - SUV and MPV. It is just people who do not do research, have little understanding and want Rubicon performance from RX hybrid ;)
THIS ! it also helps me out on snow in snow mode very well !
Wow it's cool how you guys got snow already, still 92° here in Tampa FL
You guys forgot the hill test
Thank you for sharing. Awesome review. Well needed info. Keep it up. Don’t want to be stuck anywhere
Great series! And great improvements in the testing. One more tip. Get an extra set of ramps and put them on front and back so you don’t have to get out of the car between mounting and test.
Thank you Tommy, good job, enjoy your honest straight forward reviews
Love this test this should be done on all all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive
If you love it, then check my channel :)
Systems work better than ever but put a small ramp under the wheel with grip and test to see if that awd system can even work going up hill.
Test the acura sh-awd system, especially now that they’ve got two versions of the system to include the mechanical and hybrid systems
It took two revolutions of the tire before it pulled off on the first test. That's not a lot of wheel spin.
Thank you for your video from your fan in Thailand. I like it. Please, keep doing it. If it is possible, please show new Forester 2019 test as well. Moreover, it will be good, if you can show 3 rollers.
Great video, Tommy. Great to have practical tests if AWD systems and not just manufacturer’s claims. Do you guys know if Audi still uses AWD system from Toyota? Love seeing Boulder and the mountains in your videos! Long time Boulderite moved to Texas.
Cherokee trail hawk next or Audi
Yea, the Cherokee might break into pieces
The Audi would do do good they don’t even need a video on it
Audi R8 10+
@@AQCE245 doubt it if its trail rated it should be fine
This car is the only one let me get stuck heading out to Rockies where my 4 season cottage is. In deep snow rear wheel floats instead of digging in maybe because light weight of rear end? BMW X5, Audi SQ5, Benz ML550 had no issues under same condition. I traded the 450h for another vehicle. IMO, 450h is not a good choice where weather gets cold and snowy in winter.
When COLD fuel savings diminish too.
as mentioned in the Lexus manual....its AWD is NOT for offroad. I have the same car and prefer it over any of our german brands because its so reliable, easy to maintain and good.
That probably wouldn't be the Toyota I choose. It may sound odd but most times I think the body styling on the reguler toyota's look better than the Lexus. And I think I would prefer the capability of something like the 4Runner or Tacoma.
Try the Lexus RX300. I'd like to see how that works with your test because I've seen it in action in snow and inclement weather and it is awesome.
Tommy stated that the Subaru performed much better than this vehicle. Where are all the people who claim that TFL is always trying to make Subaru look bad?
I went to the New York International Auto Show several months ago and told a Subaru representative that I am done with Subaru, since they are dropping the turbocharged Forester.
I hope to be trading in my 2016 Forester XT a week from today on a 2019 RAM 1500 Rebel quad cab with a 5.7 eTorque engine, electric rear locker, and air suspension.
It will be my daily driver and more importantly, it will allow me to pull my big Jeep on a trailer.
Tommy and the TFL crew, search my name on RUclips. I have posted several wheeling videos of my 2007 Wrangler Unlimited.
It's Roman who has a sour taste towards Subaru. I'm glad Tommy is here to demonstrate instead of Roman.
David Santora it's my understanding that the turbo was not selling enough to justify continuing it in the latest iteration of the Forester. So don't hate Subaru for that they are in the business to make a profit. Regardless you have to do what's best for you and spend your hard earned money on the vehicle that fits your needs best.
@@vedder10 I don't hate Subaru, I am just upset they will no longer make any vehicles which interest me.
hope you guys test all vehicles in the slip test. good info
Hello this was very interesting test. What kind of result do you guys think will come out if it was RX 350? I have 2015 RX350. Love to see how rx 350 will do... thanks again!!
Kyung Chung Are you sure you want to see how RX350 do...?
The answer is simple - the battery here is a small 2 kWh which doesn't provide enough power to the rear axle - so the engine has to spin up, powering the MG1 motor generator to provide extra electricity to be ferried back to the rear drive motor to propel the car forward. Unfortunately spinning the engine also means a lot of wheelspin will happen on the front wheels.
Toyota's hybrid AWD system is efficient but it is not the greatest implementation of an AWD design of an electrified vehicle out there.
Love these new tests.!
Me too. It's pretty good.
When I was looking for big awd/4x4 car, I did look at 450h too. But it seems it has a big flaw. The electric motor is not nearly powerful enough to act as replacement to driveshaft. All videos I found show the rear axle failing to provide torque when needed (when fw axle was spinning). Also as this video shows, power is sent to back too late. 4wd is safety equipment, but only when it's providing constant power to all wheels. AWD lite (fwd+rear "when neeeded") is usually pretty lackluster.
That's why the RX snow mode, which forces AWD
Thanks guys this is nice and Tommy thanks for reading the comments this time you didn't do the 3 wheel test and please can we have one for the Pilot and the Atlas thank you
I've been an owner of Subaru and Audi, I live in Andorra (Europe) where in the winter we have lots of snow and stip mounrain roads. The AWD system of both Subaru (being best) and Audi cannot compare to Toyota/Lexus. Nevertheless I am an owner of this Lexus RX and must say that i am not disapointed at all. It drives safe in snow (driving safely...) and takes you where you need to go, always within roads. I would not take this car offroading of course...
that´s exactly what i learned from it too.....i like this car very much.
I have seen many ppl complaining about the failing tests. I have to say this is not a real off-road car. Choose another brand for off-road conditions at a cost of less MPG. Remember the real 4WD technically always requires more gas than 2WD.
This technology in the Lexus was installed on the 2011 Toyota Highlander hybrid... put that sucker in full ev mode and have some torque fun
4 or 5 inches of snow, 🤔. I've taken my Outback into fields while hunting with over two feet of snow and never gotten stuck.
Subaru unreliable compared to Lexus sadly
@@svein-haraldribland8559 Oh you can say that AGAIN - and AGAIN - and...need I continue?
Nice video. But why no 3 rollers test?
I'll tell you why. Lexus cars are known to fail this test miserably. And I suspect TFL guys know it very well. Another evidence of rigging the tests. Toyota RAV hybrids have the hard times too.
holding the esc button down for about 5 seconds also turns off stability control along with the traction
It's starting to look like the rollers on the left front wheel were starting to bind. Perhaps the bearings in those rollers aren't designed to hold that much weight, and they're starting to seize? The squealing I heard in them during the test suggests as much.
What happens if you put it in EV mode? Does it only give power to the rear wheels? Interesting to see that in the slip test
I did notice in the roller test when the camera showed the gauge cluster you had it in EV mode. Maybe try at least Normal if not Power mode?
I have this car in AWD hybrid with 19" wheel package in 2013 year, and I will tell you the EPA mileage estimate is garbage.
I NEVER get over 26 mpg ever, local or even on a long highway trip, even with AC off. In town I get 21 with AC on. I don't drive like a turtle though. If I use regular grade gas (in CA) I get worse mileage. AC off and 91 gas, on local 30-40 mph roads I get maybe 23. If I am really gunning it around it gets 20. Yes 20. If I had known this was the case I might have gone with the used X5 diesel (and dealt with costly BMW service). It does have some go I will say, and the Mark Levinson audio is amazing.
I've had no service/maintenance issues with Lexus, just oil/tires. 45k to 73k miles, bought used.
Yes the CVT is annoying and whiney when pushed.
Ventilated seats, reliability, and quiet ride are nice.
BsurfChillin it’s a 5000 pound AWD brick. 26mpg is pretty good. Our 2014 RX gets 22-23mpg on the highway. You need to buy a much lighter vehicle that is lower to get well over 30mpg. Consider a Prius V.
@@MillerVanDotTV you miss the point: it is rated at 28/30mpg by EPA.
Lexus is a little bit awd and mostly fwd, outback is clearly awd car. Subaru>Toyota
Subaru is owned by Toyota.
minority stake only
@@bigfatengineer it is not true ,only 20% subaru belongs to toyota
@Jack Z nobody is forcing you to buy 2.5 ,you can choose 3.6
@Jack Z if you want to race it'll be good idea to buy WRX STI on manual and all will be OK
There is nothing AWD about this system, this vehicle is EXCLUSIVELY for city driving and thats it. Just a fun fyi for you.
Subaru's AWD FTW. Thanks for the awesome review, Tommy!
@Ua la Halizeti no.
What about the opposite diagonal wheels and 3 roller test? Or the inclined loading dock? This is a cool new segment for TFL but it needs to be consistent.
U guys should try an Acura with Sh-awd. To see if it lives to its name
My dads 2019 RX350 has a locking center diff
It did so bad on the first test b/c the electric motors only make 67 horsepower...which is barely enough to move the rx when the front wheels have no traction. The regular rx would do much better b/c it can send up to 150 horsepower to the rear wheels through the mechanical driveshaft (which the hybrid version lacks) when the front wheels have no traction
You should put a note on here, saying you ran into technical difficulties and that the three wheel test is missing or at least, mentioned it in the video. Plus I'm interested, what technical difficulties did you run into, recording or vehicle (electric motor over heated?)
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There’s no test on a hill like Tommy said at the beginning of the video....
FYI: We did the hill test but because of technical difficulties we were unable to show it in this video. Next time we get the car again, we will redo and publish the results.
@@TFLcar I personally think you need to test with one less roller (with a larger gap between the two rollers) creating an increased DROP /vertical height that the wheels with traction have to overcome.
Some of the most challenging roller tests that I have come across on YT were with this roller gap being large enough for even Subarus to struggle despite being on level ground (volvo's old model xc90 with haldex fared well compared to others during the 3-wheels-on-roller test if I recall correctly).
Tommy, I still think you should try to come up with some kind of way to connect each car to a scale type device which is in turn connected to a stationary object to get an idea of the force each vehicle imparts to the ground in each scenario. That, IMO, is the best way to compare each vehicle and doesn't require them to be on an incline.
@@TFLcar Have you already done the hill test?
Seem to work well.. without a Rear Dif... good job
How about you try the sport mode with the same test. I am sure the electric drive system would be more responsive and would respond immediately. You get more of the electric drive if you drive in sport mode. The electric drive speeds are higher and provide more support for the combustion motor.
Also make sure the battery is charged full.
The awd on this Lexus only needs to be adequate enough to get through the icy snowy Whole Foods parking lot
so does the manual mention ;-) No Offroad AWD
Those rollers are starting to squeal so the bearings might be getting messed up. Are you sure they are rated to hold a car? If no then the longer you use them the more the bearings will get worn out, the less rolling resistance to the wheels.
Please do this test using a grand Cherokee with the off road package to show the difference between SAND, SNOW, MUD, and ROCK settings.
Good video. Yellow wax marker on tires to show revolutions.
Would you guys be able to test out the Golf Alltrack as well as a Tiguan and Atlas?
B8.5 S4 I tested Tiguan, not bad.
My gosh Lexus have massive front overhangs. I can only imagine all those roaming about with front scratches there.
It didn't look like you used Snow Mode. In this mode power goes to the rear wheels straight away without waiting and thinking if the surface is slippery or not.
I am disappointed, you didn’t do the test with three wheels on the rollers. This Lexus is heavier on its rear wheels because the Hybrid batteries are under the seat. It would have more traction than a Outback on a single wheel off the rollers. However, we do not know if Lexus is capable of transferring power to a single wheel.
Why didn’t you do the 3 wheel test? Then you could find out how well the power is provided in the rear by the electric motor. Or at least swap sides on the 2 wheel front/rear test
Subaru makes it look easy. But as anyone knows, that test is only passed by vehicles that actually have a working AWD, not just the badge. Unfortunately a lot of AWD cars and SUVs are just that, the badge. Front wheel drive biased.
You know you want to try this with an Avtoros Shaman...might need to buy a few more of those rollers though.
Id love to see how the 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD does.
K. Theodos I don't know how 2019, but 2018 did great in such test!
Sounds like a similar awd system the RAV4 Hybrid. I was considering buying one earlier the year but the design of the awd system scared me away
My girlfriend's rx350 has a "snow mode" it tightens up the awd alot and makes going in the snow alot better. Have you tried that?
teague fitzwater If you mean ECT SNOW mode, I tried that. RX350 (previous generations) was not able to pass diagonal test, no matter what mode you use.
@Mr. Cairo ok man 👍
Can you compare the Tesla X in the snow with the Lexus?
You need to hold the traction button to fully disengage traction and stability. I was waiting to see 3 out of 4 wheels on rollers with only one rear wheel on the pavement. Bummer. Let’s see a GX next.
Probably should explain that all AWD don't work the same way. Kinda hard to compare the system if the system is made to get the vehicle going verses made to stay in awd . Thats more of a buyer's preference than who's system is better
Test the Mitsubishi outlander!!
Hey Tommy ! Try screwing some strips of old tires to the bottom of your rollers.
Still better than Honda's AWD system
If I bought this for the AWD I would be highly disappointed. If it can’t come off the rollers level we know it wouldn’t happen on the hill haha. Try the Pro 4X Titan without the locking diff!
Why didn't you try SNOW MODE?
It has no more snow mode, engaging it automatically with low temperatures
Definitely not as good as the subaru
Lexus is reliable.
The Lexus is VASTLY more reliable. WHEN will Subaru FINALLY re-design their engine so the inevitable HEAD GASKET doesn't raise its ugly head at 90,000 - 100,000 miles?
I would love to test the new subaru forester xmode. It is supposed to allow wheels to spin offroad now for mud. Hopefully it wont cut power like the old outback does. Maybe you could test drive one up goldmine hill
It's not an off-road vehicle
Subaru Outback has symetrical AWD system that has been much more upper level than Lexus AWD . Lexus is focused on Luxury, where as Subaru has been focused on durability.
would like to see the Ford Raptor in your test for slippage. they claim to have possibly the most advanced system, software and hardware, for variable conditions.
guys these tests were done by Subaru years ago on youtube
But what we want to see are three tires with rollers and find out if power can be transferred to the one remaining tire....
You all should do the 18 or 19 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid to see how it compares to this Lexus.
Please do the RX350, you’ve only used the hybrids in youR off-road and this test.
Would love to see the VW Altas 4motion system. My wife has it and always wondered how good it really was.
The Lexus is basically a front wheel drive car with some electric "help" in the back. Turn off traction control, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you've got a front wheel drive only car. If you want to do donuts in a front wheel drive car, you gotta do them BACKWARDS. Sheesh. And they forgot the hill slip test at the end that they said they were gonna do. I like this channel, but this was not one of the best vids I've seen from here. 8-( Keep pumpin' them out tho! 8-)
Actually you use the hand brake to get the rear to come out, then feed in a little throttle to hold it steady, coming around. Did that all the time with my fwd honda civic si.
@@jjr007 True, I agree. I've had fun doing that as well. But to do true "donuts" you have to have the drive
wheel/s "pushing" you around to what is classically known as donuts. Or maybe people call more than one
thing "doing donuts" now? That could be as well. I'm not saying I'm up on everything for sure. lol.
its not a real awd, as you can see back wheels are only powered by the hybrid system. it means gas powered engine is NOT connected to the back wheels. im worried about it in canadian winter
Can you guys test the RX 350 awd?
interpol007 I tested previous generetaion, not good....
3:30 so you had to give it the shocker in order to get it off. Interesting.
Good review
Lets see a Rav-4... See if the locking center differential actually does anything!
Could you do the Compass Trailhawk?
TdotSoul I tested Compass, unfortunately not Trailhawk, but great result, like every Jeep!
I would be interested in seeing this test done with both back wheels on the rollers and the car put in reverse. I heard that only there rear wheel electric motors are used for reverse. This would mean no AWD.
I nominate the 'Updated' 2019 Outlander GT next on the rollers, Mitsubishi would kill for the for the chance to lend you a car!
Can you simply stop it on a snowy hill and see what happens? Only interested in real world examples- real world driving conditions. The first test with the front wheels was not encouraging. That scenario would be the most common- front wheels on snow/ice. You should not have to spin the wheels that much to gain traction. Subaru's excel at that test.
I'm gonna give it 👎👎looks like the back wheels barely want to turn and as for the the opposite corner traction test at the end I believe it was all on the front right tire so basically I good front lsd in the front but if it was three tires slipping it would of never been able to get off the rollers and speaking of that where did you get those rollers from ? I would like to test some cars with those things
Would love to see this test with proper 4x4s too. Are all systems created equal?