The thing that most impresses me is the possibility to have a 17" screen that folds, shockers! I mean if this was only a display, it might be quite worth it on its own.
Instead, imagine a 17 inch laptop that unfolds into a 32 inch desktop PC. I'm not sure I want a 17 inch desktop PC that can be folded into a 12 inch laptop.
i never saw azuz naing an i3 first gen 1ghz like the i7 what is that and they put a screen that wouldn't surpasse 2years that's dumb an nothing to say about the price not gonna talk about it cause it'snot the price of that's abomination damn asus really did bad thing
This seems like one of those awesome ideas that engineers didn't have enough time to get right, because marketing demanded it be out soon. Maybe v2 will improve, if enough people buy this one.
How about instead, they listen to reviewer feedback for once? Because it basically boils down to "super cool idea, but there's still a few issues to work out". I reallllly hope they're not gonna go the "no sales means no further investment in this idea" route here
@@AVdE10000 with a 3999€ price tag over here in Europe, at least that's the announced price for my country, I think this one's a BIG "no sales" one 🙅♂
@@pxKappa that's early adopter tax right there. It's still way too early for foldables to become mainstream, especially with such expensive oled tech crammed into them (the screen seemed to be the only positive part of the review, and the only decently specced aspect of this device i' general). But I do hope they catch on eventually. A laptop with that much screen real estate, but still compact and hopefully someday not ridiculously heavy? That's a developer's dream machine once the performance gets there as well. It's just a rich people's toy to flex with for now, but I'm rooting for foldables to get off the ground
@pxK and for the record, I'm completely with you on this one. No device that's only good for content consumption should cost €4000, even half of that would be just ridiculous. Which is why I hope sales aren't the only determining factor for a potential v2 of this
Yeah, but clearly the best part of this product is the folding screen and ASUS should just go all-in on that. Don't bother trying to jam all those computer parts into the tiny frame, just make the best touchscreen folding monitor. The price will come down much faster, and the device won't be trying to compete with actual laptops.
I'd love for a separate OLED display I could just take to the next room or to bed with me, leaving my powerhouse machine chugging away in the next room. I'm not paying for a foldable device that costs as much as my whole gaming setup though.
@@jmoney228 No, the bluetooth is for the keyboard only. Bluetooth has nowhere near the bandwidth necessary to transmit a decent video signal in real time, even if one wanted to.
Anthony cracks me up, i love his fancy guy voice. also this review is absolutely invaluable and gave me a whole new appreciation for what you guys do for the tech world, testing bleeding edge technology for actual usability and not just gush over the cool new features.
He’s my favorite of the team. He gets to the point and my adhd ass can actually pay attention to him through the entire video. Every bit of what he says is information about the product.
Man this is why I like LTT reviews so much. Actually honest stuff on the downsides of a device not downplaying the bad when something is shiny. Thanks for you guy's continued honesty
what are you even talking about? you can literally find SPONSORED videos that only show the good points of a product while avoiding all the flaws. LTT is honest most of the time BUT for sponsored products (stuff they receive for free) they can't say anything bad because they are afraid of companies not sending them any more free stuff.
@@xorkatoss They've said plenty bad, and they never avoid the glaring issues. They're just not as shit-talky as they COULD be in a non-sponsored video, within reason. Welcome to the channel, bud.
Looks like an incredible (and expensive) prototype, I hope this kind of unusual products start to really pop in the industry again so we break this homogenization that we're seeing today. I'm sick of it!
Sameeeee i love the idea, i won't buy this but if the price goes down to something reasonable with better performance i can see myself getting a foldable laptop at some point
@@utubekullanicisi it's not to say standard laptops will disappear. But u need to keep doing new stuff to get something fresh. And it may appeal to a minority
@@Chinookman could have mentioned that it has removable storage and battery pack for upgradability except the ram, it's soldered.. but have a variant up to 32gb ram
Just wondering, are modern phones good enough to be a "laptop" with an external monitor or will we see a portable computer that has no peripherals? I do wonder if a company would make that but your phone is probably good enough lol
Asus sometimes gives me really strong Bell Labs vibes. Like a warehouse of smart people just making whatever the hell they want and sometimes they sell whatever they come up with, even if there's basically no market for it. They come up with some really cool stuff that almost no one will buy but will be great candidates for LGR's Oddware series in 20+ years.
I feel like this is one of those things we will look at 10 years from now and see was way ahead of its time. The problem (besides price) really comes down to UIs not interfacing well with the curve but otherwise it seems fine.
I still feel like foldable displays need to come way farther down in price before they'll be adopted by the general public. This product though feels like a proof of concept that somehow accidentally made it to production. It seems like one of those things that sounds really cool in theory but fails in execution.
look at the 13.3" Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Fold that is $950... It has a 2048 x 1536 OLED touch screen, i5, 8gb ram, 512gb m.2 ssd and folds exactly like the Asus. I want to see them review that next. EDIT: they did review the X1 fold.
The price could easily be justified for some professional uses (perhaps as a foldable monitor rather than a computer), but then it probably doesn't have the reliability and durability with the folding plastic screen and elaborate hinge mechanism. The price may go down, but I don't know if there's any way to make it as durable as non-folding devices with gorilla glass displays, burring substantial innovation in materials science.
there also needs to be a point to them... what's the point of that foldable screen if you're just going to throw a physical keyboard on top of it... and it seems pretty useless without the keyboard
I've actually been looking for a device exactly of this type for a while now. The price tag isn't even completely intolerable, but I refuse to be treated like a rube with insulting pointless subscription bullshit like this. What a needless self-own by Asus.
Yeah imagine charging 3500 for a device and then being willing to ruin any consumer good will over a $2 per month sub and preloading adware. Hard core facepalm from me.
@@ReivecS Yeah, its kind of like BMW spitting in the consumer's face with a subscription fee to use their heated seat/ steering wheel after charging them a premium
@@leonidas14775 Maybe read the facts before talking nonsense about the heated seats. If you selected them as an option when buying the car there is no subscription.
As a musician, searching a replacement for physical books and paper, and this looks like a pretty cool option The option to show two pages at once, as the sheet music intended to be, could make page turn make a lot more sense and less reliant to those step to turn page thing. Although the price makes buying 2 asus slate, 2 Tab S7 FE, or even 2 Surface pro 8 more sense
Have you considered buying music printed in a book? They can store hundreds of pages of data, fully recyclable, and with nothing more than sunlight or even indoor lighting they hold the image on the display without any reduction in power. Pages are a little thick at 0.05mm, but you have the ability to transfer the data instantly by simply ripping it out of the page and passing it to the intended recipient without the need of wifi or LTE. It's magic.
Wow, if they made this into a foldable screen with great pen accuracy, that would actually be amazing for designers and engineers! Or even just for minimalist gamers.
I like the idea of it being a external monitor with maybe basic smart connections so it can pair with apple and android wireless and a basic roku or something then I want it at 4k for the size at the same color specs or better if possible if it was going to stay a tablet I would want this to be running one of the new arm socs with 5g to get more battery and more connectivity on the go keep the resolution and cut the price in half
@@mcslender2965 Seems to be a roll of the dice, I've personally RMAed two motherboards and a laptop directly through ASUS and had no problems, but I've seen other people have nothing but complaints.
I had hope that I might have finally been shown a great tablet for my art. Then the problems and price came out. And the lack of power capability makes it seem like there will be way too much input lag for even art purposes. And the mcafee pre-installed virus and that subscription based broadcast function all mean I'll never touch one of these. Sorry Asus, you kind of dropped the ball on this one. I would love to have something like this designed to be a stand alone art pad, exorbitant if it was 4k. If a paper like feel for the screen and really minimized input lag were there, then this would be perfect.
@@KalijahAnderson Sure, but if you can't spend 2 minutes uninstalling a program and would rather buy a whole nother laptop, that's really just a you problem
@@Quicksilver-7791 it is just a small part of the many reasons I listed. I don't get why you seem bent on making it look like that was the one and only reason I had to pass on machine that's 3 grand plus for mediocre performance.
@@KalijahAnderson ...not once did I say that bloatware was the only reason. This thing has terrible performance, durability sucks (they already had a scratch on their unit) and a hundred other reasons. All I'm saying, if you read my comment, is that bloatware is a minor problem that you can easily get rid of.
It's their 1st gen foldable laptop, so I do expect some minus. I hope ASUS take all criticism to improve their next iteration of foldable laptop. Looking at how they treat their gaming laptop, I think they're listening to us.
I'm excited for the future with this tech. I remember when ASUS made the dual screen laptop. This is a great proof on concept but I dont think this is the iteration I'm willing to bleed from. Ill either wait for V2 or wait until this version is below $1k.
I can't help but feel like foldable screens are a form of planned obsolescence, as flex screen damage is generally unfixable. Unfixable damage that a rigid panel would never take. Replacement parts are more ewaste..
Regular ts panel once cracked is mostly unfixable too -you wont superglue the thing, wont you? It wont be obsolete as long as the market & demand is available thus factories incentive to produce spare parts.
Its a premium party trick device that not too many people can afford to buy. I wouldn't worry about it. Heck even Samsung's affordable Z3 Flip wasn't all that impressive. I used it for a day before returning it. Sure you can fold it in half but its now twice as thick in my pocket. Battery life and cameras is terrible considering the price. The folding trick is cool the first few times but once you realize that you need to do twice as many steps to unlock your phone, it just becomes a hassle to use.
I've been using computers for 35 years, as a hobbyist and as a software engineer, and I have never _needed_ a screen larger than 17 inches. Even my newest laptop has a screen smaller than that. Get your eyes checked.
Yes it has shortcomings, but damn this is an exciting proof of concept and I really hope they stick with it. A few generations down the line and I'd definitely take one. Great for productivity with an easy switch for content consumption? Hell yes!
30000 foulds is really little. If lets say you fould it 20 times a day (wich is pretty usual for a busy life, where you are constantly moving it around) 20 * 365 = 7300 30000/7300 ~= 4 Thats 4 years of daily use. Id definitly expect more time for a device this expensive
Interesting product, though it's too large as a tablet and too small as a laptop for me. The only purpose I would have for this is as a monitor and ignore the whole folding premise.
yeah I love mulit million dollar companies making fun of and insulting their customers over legitimate support concerns. It's just like owning the libs, super funny.
My concern with folding anything (laptops, tablets, phones) is the screens getting worn, faded, or even cracked from the constant folding and unfolding. I have yet to see a folding piece of tech not have this problem, and I been watching this trend for a couple of years now. I think it's just a bad idea in general and more so just a gimmick rather than a progression.
Think of the curvature in the screen, that's the key. We rely on wires not to snap over time in moving assemblies due to the flexing happening over a longer distance than a sharp 90 degree bend. I think the key is finding a reliably flexible material and stretching that bend out in a loop as much as possible within the confines of the device at hand.
I had a folding phone back in the day. I had to take it to the repair shop like 3 times due to the display band or whatever the flexible conector that was sending the image to the screen was called, was failing. I'm not rushing for the modern folding stuff at all.
This thing is so incredibly awesome, its just a better design for a laptop. If you don't want to take the keyboard off, its just a normal laptop - but you can also just turn it into a whole portable display + pc just by taking the keyboard off and using it separately. I'm gonna wait a bit to see how this pans out (since it still has some early adopter jank), but this would probably be the next laptop I would buy.
This is an amazing concept for college students. A small 12.5” laptop in the backpack. A big a** productive 17” desktop on the desk on the desk. Edit: I take my comment back, idk any student incl. me who could afford this laptop, forget the performance issues. Btw, for me, a lot of the classes have a desk, that’s why I said that.
As a current college student I don't think this makes sense. I have a Zephyrus G14 for portability and then I dock it to a monitor with a USB hub at my desk back in my room. It works great.
You would think that for such a cutting edge, expensive and innovative device, they wouldn't bork it out of the stables with a bezel that makes it look like a $150 bargain basement laptop. And this is their 2nd gen device?
At least it can fit in the bin folded? I admit I am a galaxy fold owner and am used to a foldable with thin bezels, but then I also have an XPS with thin bezels. Not sure who this device is for.
@@Ian123Ian Remember when Samsung did their first preview of the first foldable and they did it in silhouette with all the lights behind the person and the device so you couldn't see it, had some huge box around the device so it hid everything except the fact that it was a screen that folded in half? This is the larger version of that. Anthony needs to take the bezel off to reveal the sleek thin device inside.
11:11 I think, we as species should start discriminating companies that adding subscription for thing locked behind DRMs. Looking at you BMW and Toyota
Is... is this it? Is this, finally, the ultimate device to read books and also comics/manga/etc on? A (folding) "tablet" with an OLED screen? I've waited for something like this for so long. Because reading on an LCD sucks in comparison (especially when you want to read like in a dark room), and E-Ink sucks for comics and the like. EDIT: OOF, that price though. Those folding OLED panels are still brutal... I'd love to see something like this in the future when those panel prices have come down. Give it (even) weaker hardware and maybe make it slightly smaller. Then you put a lightweight Linux distro on it instead of Windows, add the right applications, and get reading. EDIT 2: Honestly, for that use case it might be better if this were a portable display, with a port (type-C, ofc) that can provide power. You could strap a Raspberry Pi onto its back with a very short cable that would get its power from the display battery.
This. I don't need some ultra powered, sleek thing loaded with features. I just need a big screen I can make smaller and take with me. Yeah, my first thought was immediately "put Linux on it". XD Seriously same, I was hoping this was just going to be a foldable display or a lightweight tablet.
@@MrSolLeks It's great that that works for you! But I personally really want OLED. I read a lot of text-only stuff as well, and I've used E-Ink a bit in the past too. I don't want to go back to LCD, especially since I like reading in the dark (or near-dark) sometimes too. I want to be able to switch to white text on a black background and have the non-text pixels actually off instead of them still blasting light at me, haha.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M The folding is a bonus! I'm mostly after an OLED tablet (or tablet-like) with an x86 CPU. There's too many applications I'd like to use that are not yet available for ARM, still, for my liking. The fact that it can fold like an actual book just makes it better, haha. Also, there are "foldable" LCD devices, but they just have two separate screens, of course. That's fine for pure text, but not so great for comics and the like (especially manga loves to do big "double-spread" pages). A device like this one is the best of all worlds, so to speak.
I wouldn't mind a hinge and line down the middle. The single sheet of material will wear out far faster this way. Of course a thought occurs to me, why not have two screens with one that's slightly longer when it unfolds and overlap the other screen. Maybe with an extension mechanism that pushes it back towards the other screen. Then have a super thin backwardly angled bezel and it could rest right on the edge of the other screen. If the bezel material were clear you might even have a nice continuous view. It probably wouldn't be able to work as a book fold then, but it would have a longer lasting mechanism and still be a folding tabtop.
HAHAHA underrated comment. I would absolutely kill to get a gaming 120hz or above 27 inch OLED monitor. The response time will be so sweet ontop of the colors compared to IPS or anything else.
Thanks for the vid! Super interesting device. A quick note, that bothers me in some reviews (not exclusively LTT) when reviewing under powered laptops: When a device can't manage a creator's workflow (image & video editing, 4k playback, ...), it gets called a "media consumption device" fairly quickly. However, there are a lot of use cases on PC that do not require the latest and greatest CPU performance. In my use case (Office & Scientific work and Programming) I can actually use my Surface Pro X for almost everything I do even when many programs or functionalities (e.g. Flutter programming) only work via emulation. Sure, my Samsung laptop is quicker, but the portability and battery life of the ARM processor is a huge plus, and therefore I use it quite regularly. So IMO, the processing power of the Asus Fold 17 would be totally sufficient for me, and I wouldn't use it primarily for media consumption. Use cases: - Having a scientific paper on one side and writing on the other - Inspecting Data while "data sciencing" - Have a live server open for web programming with hot reloading - Cloud Gaming (might fall under media consumption^^) - ...
I kinda wanted the backpack, but the trust me bro thing is super off-putting and now I don't even want the screwdriver. Can't believe y'all are actually putting that in your plugs
@@IneptOrange No, I am not lol. I said it that way from the perspective that 30k folds really are not that much. Considering Google recommends that a laptop should last you 3-5 years, you need to fold+unfold no more than 10 times a day to get 4-year use; which actually sounds kind of reasonable putting it that way haha
Those are some BIG negatives. But overall I'm really excited about the direction and look forward to the next gen when these issues are addressed. Great review.
"they'll have to keep searching" WOW, that's an incredible closing line lol And yeah that intel time capsule video was fascinating, everyone go watch it!
IMO a 17" to 21" foldable would be a way better deal! The weight would be a concern, but you can already get lighter 17" screens on mobile! It could have 3 models: monitor, android and windows tablet!
I've seen some researchers use iPads to read papers, take notes etc. in the lab. I could imagine this being amazing for such purpose with the bigger screen size. Especially the reading part. But not even for a fraction of that insane pricing. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A PEN
"Book mode" seems like it would be amazing for reading PDFs formatted for letter/A4, especially ones laid out like a book with different left/right pages. Though it might be a miserable experience in practice. Makes for cool marketing photos at least.
I feel like foldable devices like this are basically like car boats. Like yeah it's kind of cool to have a car that can also be a boat, but realistically it's going to be bad at both, and you'd be better off just having separate cars and boats. In this case, you'd be better off just having a separate monitor if you want more screen real-estate, and then just a regular laptop the rest of the time.
I think the costs mostly comes from the fact the thing has such a massive screen, and is foldable, plus the keyboard which results in more materials used, plus you can take it apart to upgrade some little things
The Lenovo X1 Fold will be slightly smaller at 16.3 inches display but with a higher resolution 2560 x 2024 oled and brighter screen 600 nits and barely noticeable crease that will also be able to use a pen/stylus on the screen. Replaceable/swappable internals like the battery, etc., up to 32 gigs of memory vs only 16 gigs on the Asus and you can login with your face or the fingerprint reader on the X1's keyboard, and will be $2200-2500 starting price vs $3500 U. S. Dollars on the Asus for the same processor and xe graphics here in America. Kind of interesting to see which foldable laptop will sell better. For the price and specs my money is on the Lenovo X1 Fold. My biggest drawback for both is not enough power for video editing and games which is why I bought a much cheaper and more powerful option than the 2 Foldable laptops, an Alienware M15 R7 Intel 12th Gen with Nvidia 3070ti graphics and I'm loving it! ruclips.net/video/IfogSiBxd8w/видео.html
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Foldable external monitors are such a great idea, I hope those will come to the market soon.
hopefully at a good price, if it's like 1 grand it's gonna sting
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that's what I was hoping this was. I was disappointed to find out that it's just a mediocre laptop at Asus pricing.
@GH0STST4RSCR34M I know, they're much smaller and the panel isn't all that great, this one the other hand is absolutely amazing
The thing that most impresses me is the possibility to have a 17" screen that folds, shockers! I mean if this was only a display, it might be quite worth it on its own.
@UnreaLorenzo corsairs new monitor
Instead, imagine a 17 inch laptop that unfolds into a 32 inch desktop PC.
I'm not sure I want a 17 inch desktop PC that can be folded into a 12 inch laptop.
@UnreaLorenzo Bend and curve are not the same thing.
@UnreaLorenzo LGs new oled flex 42 inch tv
i never saw azuz naing an i3 first gen 1ghz like the i7 what is that and they put a screen that wouldn't surpasse 2years that's dumb an nothing to say about the price not gonna talk about it cause it'snot the price of that's abomination damn asus really did bad thing
This seems like one of those awesome ideas that engineers didn't have enough time to get right, because marketing demanded it be out soon. Maybe v2 will improve, if enough people buy this one.
How about instead, they listen to reviewer feedback for once? Because it basically boils down to "super cool idea, but there's still a few issues to work out". I reallllly hope they're not gonna go the "no sales means no further investment in this idea" route here
@@AVdE10000 with a 3999€ price tag over here in Europe, at least that's the announced price for my country, I think this one's a BIG "no sales" one 🙅♂
@@pxKappa that's early adopter tax right there. It's still way too early for foldables to become mainstream, especially with such expensive oled tech crammed into them (the screen seemed to be the only positive part of the review, and the only decently specced aspect of this device i' general). But I do hope they catch on eventually.
A laptop with that much screen real estate, but still compact and hopefully someday not ridiculously heavy? That's a developer's dream machine once the performance gets there as well. It's just a rich people's toy to flex with for now, but I'm rooting for foldables to get off the ground
@pxK and for the record, I'm completely with you on this one. No device that's only good for content consumption should cost €4000, even half of that would be just ridiculous. Which is why I hope sales aren't the only determining factor for a potential v2 of this
You know what they say, third time is the charm. Wait for the 3rd gen of the similar products.
I can't wait for these to become external monitors - being able to slap a 24" to 27" with decent specs into a backpack would be amazing.
Couldn't you already make an external if it has the ability to connect through Bluetooth just reverse the Bluetooth signal
Yeah, but clearly the best part of this product is the folding screen and ASUS should just go all-in on that. Don't bother trying to jam all those computer parts into the tiny frame, just make the best touchscreen folding monitor. The price will come down much faster, and the device won't be trying to compete with actual laptops.
I'd love for a separate OLED display I could just take to the next room or to bed with me, leaving my powerhouse machine chugging away in the next room. I'm not paying for a foldable device that costs as much as my whole gaming setup though.
@@NinjaLobsterStudios For sure, just the display tech would be amazing, and hopefully a fraction of the price lmao
@@jmoney228 No, the bluetooth is for the keyboard only.
Bluetooth has nowhere near the bandwidth necessary to transmit a decent video signal in real time, even if one wanted to.
Anthony cracks me up, i love his fancy guy voice.
also this review is absolutely invaluable and gave me a whole new appreciation for what you guys do for the tech world, testing bleeding edge technology for actual usability and not just gush over the cool new features.
He’s my favorite of the team. He gets to the point and my adhd ass can actually pay attention to him through the entire video. Every bit of what he says is information about the product.
@Buck Daman yeah he need to lose the weight but he's still a cool dude and imo the best at ltt.
Man this is why I like LTT reviews so much. Actually honest stuff on the downsides of a device not downplaying the bad when something is shiny. Thanks for you guy's continued honesty
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what are you even talking about? you can literally find SPONSORED videos that only show the good points of a product while avoiding all the flaws.
LTT is honest most of the time BUT for sponsored products (stuff they receive for free) they can't say anything bad because they are afraid of companies not sending them any more free stuff.
@@xorkatoss Do you have an example?
@@xorkatoss They've said plenty bad, and they never avoid the glaring issues. They're just not as shit-talky as they COULD be in a non-sponsored video, within reason. Welcome to the channel, bud.
Anthony's "trust me bro" is the only "trust me bro" i trust
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Looks like an incredible (and expensive) prototype, I hope this kind of unusual products start to really pop in the industry again so we break this homogenization that we're seeing today. I'm sick of it!
Sameeeee i love the idea, i won't buy this but if the price goes down to something reasonable with better performance i can see myself getting a foldable laptop at some point
I'm not sick of it. Don't try to fix what isn't broken.
@@utubekullanicisi it's not to say standard laptops will disappear. But u need to keep doing new stuff to get something fresh. And it may appeal to a minority
"homogenization" is a new word ive never heard.
Nah they scratch with your fingernail. Same as the folding phones. Garbage.
I can imagine that a gen 2 of this will be amazing. All the issues seem easy to fix and not fundamental flaws
The new Thinkpad X1 fold seems to have improved on the previous gen so that would be an interesting comparison to ASUS take on folding screen laptop
It smokes this in quite literally every single way...including and importantly: price. by nearly $1,000?
@@Chinookman could have mentioned that it has removable storage and battery pack for upgradability except the ram, it's soldered.. but have a variant up to 32gb ram
It's a shame they didn't compare the two
Such a cool idea for an external monitor. Imagine if they made a stand in a way you could just grab your desk display, fold it and take it with you
they did? you can make it stand?
@@peperoni_slayer8918 but it cant be used as an external monitor
I can already do this with my ikea desk
Just wondering, are modern phones good enough to be a "laptop" with an external monitor or will we see a portable computer that has no peripherals? I do wonder if a company would make that but your phone is probably good enough lol
@@theplayerofus319 idk man maybe they released a new desk with a monitor?
Asus sometimes gives me really strong Bell Labs vibes. Like a warehouse of smart people just making whatever the hell they want and sometimes they sell whatever they come up with, even if there's basically no market for it. They come up with some really cool stuff that almost no one will buy but will be great candidates for LGR's Oddware series in 20+ years.
In search of incredible, no joke
Too bad their motherboards are absolute garbage
@@mycelia_ow they used to be good but for a last few generations they just slapping wifi on top of bad board and call it a day.
It's such a shame they didn't compare it to the Thinkpad Fold though. This seems to be a worse clone.
Anthony destroying electronics is just wholesome.
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I feel like this is one of those things we will look at 10 years from now and see was way ahead of its time. The problem (besides price) really comes down to UIs not interfacing well with the curve but otherwise it seems fine.
0:08 that wallpaper really made me think the screen was damaged right were the crease is :D
I still feel like foldable displays need to come way farther down in price before they'll be adopted by the general public. This product though feels like a proof of concept that somehow accidentally made it to production. It seems like one of those things that sounds really cool in theory but fails in execution.
look at the 13.3" Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Fold that is $950... It has a 2048 x 1536 OLED touch screen, i5, 8gb ram, 512gb m.2 ssd and folds exactly like the Asus. I want to see them review that next. EDIT: they did review the X1 fold.
The price could easily be justified for some professional uses (perhaps as a foldable monitor rather than a computer), but then it probably doesn't have the reliability and durability with the folding plastic screen and elaborate hinge mechanism. The price may go down, but I don't know if there's any way to make it as durable as non-folding devices with gorilla glass displays, burring substantial innovation in materials science.
there also needs to be a point to them... what's the point of that foldable screen if you're just going to throw a physical keyboard on top of it... and it seems pretty useless without the keyboard
They don't need to market it for the general public. I'm sure companies would go nuts over them for their traveling businessmen and engineers
They're cool, but not cool enough to justify the price.
I've actually been looking for a device exactly of this type for a while now.
The price tag isn't even completely intolerable, but I refuse to be treated like a rube with insulting pointless subscription bullshit like this.
What a needless self-own by Asus.
Just like with folding phones, there will be copycats and they might be a better value
Yeah imagine charging 3500 for a device and then being willing to ruin any consumer good will over a $2 per month sub and preloading adware. Hard core facepalm from me.
Hopefully some modder finds a workaround since the only thing holding it back is a paywall
@@ReivecS Yeah, its kind of like BMW spitting in the consumer's face with a subscription fee to use their heated seat/ steering wheel after charging them a premium
@@leonidas14775 Maybe read the facts before talking nonsense about the heated seats. If you selected them as an option when buying the car there is no subscription.
As a musician, searching a replacement for physical books and paper, and this looks like a pretty cool option
The option to show two pages at once, as the sheet music intended to be, could make page turn make a lot more sense and less reliant to those step to turn page thing.
Although the price makes buying 2 asus slate, 2 Tab S7 FE, or even 2 Surface pro 8 more sense
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Just buy a VR headset that auto scrolls the music pages
Far cheaper than $3500 Zenbook fold
For $3500?? You sure a regular iPad or android tablet can't do the same job?
Have you considered buying music printed in a book? They can store hundreds of pages of data, fully recyclable, and with nothing more than sunlight or even indoor lighting they hold the image on the display without any reduction in power. Pages are a little thick at 0.05mm, but you have the ability to transfer the data instantly by simply ripping it out of the page and passing it to the intended recipient without the need of wifi or LTE.
It's magic.
Wow, if they made this into a foldable screen with great pen accuracy, that would actually be amazing for designers and engineers!
Or even just for minimalist gamers.
Add a wacom digitiser and this might be useful for the wacom studio pro crowd looking to upgrade.
I like the idea of it being a external monitor with maybe basic smart connections so it can pair with apple and android wireless and a basic roku or something then I want it at 4k for the size at the same color specs or better if possible
if it was going to stay a tablet I would want this to be running one of the new arm socs with 5g to get more battery and more connectivity on the go keep the resolution and cut the price in half
There's two people I love to see destroy consumer electronics with words: Steve at GN and Anthony.
What about Zach from Jerry rig everything
@@guitarheromoose8445 he's using not only words but slight grooves on 6, deeper grooves on 7...
@@vadnegru 😂😂😂
$3500 + ASUS notoriously bad RMA's = hard pass.
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Huh, my experience with RMAing an Asus Zephyrus G14 through BestBuy has been pretty easy. Are you talking about RMA directly to Asus?
@@mcslender2965 yes not with bestbuy
@@mcslender2965 Seems to be a roll of the dice, I've personally RMAed two motherboards and a laptop directly through ASUS and had no problems, but I've seen other people have nothing but complaints.
Video quality and format when watching on a phone is so frkn nice. I appreciate the effort put into these.
Add contact pads on the bezels for wired connection I'd say
That could at least reduce or eliminate the latency, charging, and sleep issues with the keyboard.
ASUS: "In search of incredible"
Anthony: "well, keep searching then"
Ah, so you too watched the video. Nice.
Id prefer if this was just a mobile monitor. Taking a decent setup on the go would just be that much easier
How about good, slim AR glasses that project a vitual monitor above your laptop? Smaller, cheaper, more versatile
Loving all the new Anthony videos! He just comes off so knowledgeable and humble at the same time, very easy to listen to.
Anthony rules
Too much ranting tho... i used to like anthonys videos but now its always just ranting ranting ranting...
This is great. 12” for portability and if you’re in a camped place or relaxing on the couch and 17” for when you have more space. Love the idea of it
"They'll have to keep searching"... had me chuckling, cause its true. Well Done Anthony!
For something so expensive to look and feel so cheap is an achievement. Massive miss with this product in my opinion.
To be fair to ASUS it's the company's first go at making a foldable device and one of the first foldable laptops
I agree with HeroRareheart, and giving it a metal shell and such would increase the price even more then it currently is.
Doesn’t look cheap to me. Can’t comment on the feel
You felt it?
@@skilledscript2725 Than.
NOT then.
0:20 had me laughing too hard. The subtle humor on this channel is top tier.
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How is that subtle though?
same man i can't stop laughing
About as subtle as a gunshot in a theatre
I had hope that I might have finally been shown a great tablet for my art. Then the problems and price came out. And the lack of power capability makes it seem like there will be way too much input lag for even art purposes. And the mcafee pre-installed virus and that subscription based broadcast function all mean I'll never touch one of these. Sorry Asus, you kind of dropped the ball on this one.
I would love to have something like this designed to be a stand alone art pad, exorbitant if it was 4k. If a paper like feel for the screen and really minimized input lag were there, then this would be perfect.
Wise Program Uninstaller says hi. You make it sound like the bloatware is unremovable.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M no, just that it shouldn't be there to start with.
@@KalijahAnderson Sure, but if you can't spend 2 minutes uninstalling a program and would rather buy a whole nother laptop, that's really just a you problem
@@Quicksilver-7791 it is just a small part of the many reasons I listed. I don't get why you seem bent on making it look like that was the one and only reason I had to pass on machine that's 3 grand plus for mediocre performance.
@@KalijahAnderson ...not once did I say that bloatware was the only reason. This thing has terrible performance, durability sucks (they already had a scratch on their unit) and a hundred other reasons.
All I'm saying, if you read my comment, is that bloatware is a minor problem that you can easily get rid of.
It's their 1st gen foldable laptop, so I do expect some minus. I hope ASUS take all criticism to improve their next iteration of foldable laptop. Looking at how they treat their gaming laptop, I think they're listening to us.
I'm excited for the future with this tech. I remember when ASUS made the dual screen laptop. This is a great proof on concept but I dont think this is the iteration I'm willing to bleed from. Ill either wait for V2 or wait until this version is below $1k.
No one is asking you to bleed tf
I can't help but feel like foldable screens are a form of planned obsolescence, as flex screen damage is generally unfixable. Unfixable damage that a rigid panel would never take. Replacement parts are more ewaste..
I have that feeling as well.
Regular ts panel once cracked is mostly unfixable too -you wont superglue the thing, wont you?
It wont be obsolete as long as the market & demand is available thus factories incentive to produce spare parts.
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Its a premium party trick device that not too many people can afford to buy. I wouldn't worry about it. Heck even Samsung's affordable Z3 Flip wasn't all that impressive. I used it for a day before returning it. Sure you can fold it in half but its now twice as thick in my pocket. Battery life and cameras is terrible considering the price. The folding trick is cool the first few times but once you realize that you need to do twice as many steps to unlock your phone, it just becomes a hassle to use.
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if someone made 14" or 15" while folded external monitor, that would be super amazing. Literally any digital nomad needs one
My wife is an accountant and they use external monitors weekly. Something like this would be game changing.
I've been using computers for 35 years, as a hobbyist and as a software engineer, and I have never _needed_ a screen larger than 17 inches. Even my newest laptop has a screen smaller than that. Get your eyes checked.
@@deusexaethera "I don't need it, so nobody needs it"
Love that Linus meme face use by their staff 😂
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14:08 "They'll have to keep searching."
lmao🤣
Idk why but the linus meme face kept catching me off guard, especially the first one.
If only this was just a monitor. It'd be amazing.
Yes it has shortcomings, but damn this is an exciting proof of concept and I really hope they stick with it. A few generations down the line and I'd definitely take one. Great for productivity with an easy switch for content consumption? Hell yes!
Great seeing a lot more Anthony content, so relaxing to watch
"the Zenbook 17 fold is the priviledge of being one of the first to buy a premium foldable laptop"
Isn't... every laptop foldable?
30000 foulds is really little.
If lets say you fould it 20 times a day (wich is pretty usual for a busy life, where you are constantly moving it around)
20 * 365 = 7300
30000/7300 ~= 4
Thats 4 years of daily use. Id definitly expect more time for a device this expensive
That "its pritty good, trust me bro" while plugging the backpack 😂
I was looking for this comment
Me too.
In my opinion foldable devices are beyond amazing, but as of right now it needs a lot of improvements and fine tuning.
I've set my eye on it a while ago
This is what gets me excited to see what can be done with foldables.
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Interesting product, though it's too large as a tablet and too small as a laptop for me. The only purpose I would have for this is as a monitor and ignore the whole folding premise.
Its horrible to use in a well light area. They have conveniently filmed this video in a dark area.
03:35 gotta love that tmb warranty joke. But seriously, that's an impressive piece of tech, even if I don't care for the foldable screen tech yet.
not really, pretty poor taste.
^^^
found the guy from the warranty forum lol
Impressive in theory**
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yeah I love mulit million dollar companies making fun of and insulting their customers over legitimate support concerns. It's just like owning the libs, super funny.
Asus in current days reminds me of old Nokia, in the good sense: they're producing very niche and exotic products. Love it!
My concern with folding anything (laptops, tablets, phones) is the screens getting worn, faded, or even cracked from the constant folding and unfolding. I have yet to see a folding piece of tech not have this problem, and I been watching this trend for a couple of years now. I think it's just a bad idea in general and more so just a gimmick rather than a progression.
Think of the curvature in the screen, that's the key. We rely on wires not to snap over time in moving assemblies due to the flexing happening over a longer distance than a sharp 90 degree bend.
I think the key is finding a reliably flexible material and stretching that bend out in a loop as much as possible within the confines of the device at hand.
3:36 HAHAHA XD I LOVE YOU ANTHONY
Anthony, you're so good at writing and delivery! I really enjoyed the bit at 0:25. I haven't even seen the full video yet, but I'm already commenting!
I had a folding phone back in the day. I had to take it to the repair shop like 3 times due to the display band or whatever the flexible conector that was sending the image to the screen was called, was failing. I'm not rushing for the modern folding stuff at all.
It's literally a big weakpoint. That folding point (probably that part of the dsplay) will be one of the first things to break
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"...now with a limited lifetime warranty"
Except it's more like "...now with A warranty"
it'd be cool if it had 2 separate normal LCDs. Always wanted a device like that
You are looking for the Yoga Book C930
@@Catsrules1 isn't that one e-ink though?
You mean you want a dual-screen laptop?? Asus Project Precog never came out.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M yeap
Surface Neo is supposed to be like that, if it ever gets released
This thing is so incredibly awesome, its just a better design for a laptop. If you don't want to take the keyboard off, its just a normal laptop - but you can also just turn it into a whole portable display + pc just by taking the keyboard off and using it separately. I'm gonna wait a bit to see how this pans out (since it still has some early adopter jank), but this would probably be the next laptop I would buy.
back in and recently got soft soft again, it felt strange and i had previously just taught myself the software. Finding your videos is helping
This is an amazing concept for college students. A small 12.5” laptop in the backpack. A big a** productive 17” desktop on the desk on the desk.
Edit: I take my comment back, idk any student incl. me who could afford this laptop, forget the performance issues. Btw, for me, a lot of the classes have a desk, that’s why I said that.
On the desk indeed
What a world we live in now where 17" is considers Big A**
slightly above average
On the desk?
As a current college student I don't think this makes sense. I have a Zephyrus G14 for portability and then I dock it to a monitor with a USB hub at my desk back in my room. It works great.
Not very productive with that wimpy spec.
You would think that for such a cutting edge, expensive and innovative device, they wouldn't bork it out of the stables with a bezel that makes it look like a $150 bargain basement laptop.
And this is their 2nd gen device?
ok im gonna say it... it looks like a rugged device you would give to someone with a physical or mental disability
Man. The high standards of people these days are disgusting
At least it can fit in the bin folded? I admit I am a galaxy fold owner and am used to a foldable with thin bezels, but then I also have an XPS with thin bezels. Not sure who this device is for.
I was thinking the same thing, it almost looks 3d printed.
@@Ian123Ian Remember when Samsung did their first preview of the first foldable and they did it in silhouette with all the lights behind the person and the device so you couldn't see it, had some huge box around the device so it hid everything except the fact that it was a screen that folded in half? This is the larger version of that. Anthony needs to take the bezel off to reveal the sleek thin device inside.
Anthony hosting always draws me in because of his level of expertise.
Yea, well I'll continue to use my HP 8760w with matte screen. The biggest concern I have with this foldable tablet is repairability and expandability.
Thank you ! You did a great job simplifying such a complex daw....Looking forward to be a great producer
11:11 I think, we as species should start discriminating companies that adding subscription for thing locked behind DRMs. Looking at you BMW and Toyota
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Easier said than done.
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Is... is this it? Is this, finally, the ultimate device to read books and also comics/manga/etc on?
A (folding) "tablet" with an OLED screen?
I've waited for something like this for so long. Because reading on an LCD sucks in comparison (especially when you want to read like in a dark room), and E-Ink sucks for comics and the like.
EDIT:
OOF, that price though. Those folding OLED panels are still brutal...
I'd love to see something like this in the future when those panel prices have come down. Give it (even) weaker hardware and maybe make it slightly smaller. Then you put a lightweight Linux distro on it instead of Windows, add the right applications, and get reading.
EDIT 2:
Honestly, for that use case it might be better if this were a portable display, with a port (type-C, ofc) that can provide power. You could strap a Raspberry Pi onto its back with a very short cable that would get its power from the display battery.
This. I don't need some ultra powered, sleek thing loaded with features. I just need a big screen I can make smaller and take with me. Yeah, my first thought was immediately "put Linux on it". XD
Seriously same, I was hoping this was just going to be a foldable display or a lightweight tablet.
"A folding tablet with an OLED screen"
As opposed to the many folding LCD tablets in existence?? 😂😂😂
Like WTF was the point of your comment??
I read manga on my surface very easily (i think its a 5 or 6? Got it a few years ago)
@@MrSolLeks It's great that that works for you! But I personally really want OLED. I read a lot of text-only stuff as well, and I've used E-Ink a bit in the past too. I don't want to go back to LCD, especially since I like reading in the dark (or near-dark) sometimes too. I want to be able to switch to white text on a black background and have the non-text pixels actually off instead of them still blasting light at me, haha.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M The folding is a bonus! I'm mostly after an OLED tablet (or tablet-like) with an x86 CPU. There's too many applications I'd like to use that are not yet available for ARM, still, for my liking.
The fact that it can fold like an actual book just makes it better, haha. Also, there are "foldable" LCD devices, but they just have two separate screens, of course. That's fine for pure text, but not so great for comics and the like (especially manga loves to do big "double-spread" pages). A device like this one is the best of all worlds, so to speak.
Dang. U know it underpowered when It's getting out-clocked by Apple at the same price point (power efficiency aside).
I wouldn't mind a hinge and line down the middle. The single sheet of material will wear out far faster this way. Of course a thought occurs to me, why not have two screens with one that's slightly longer when it unfolds and overlap the other screen. Maybe with an extension mechanism that pushes it back towards the other screen. Then have a super thin backwardly angled bezel and it could rest right on the edge of the other screen. If the bezel material were clear you might even have a nice continuous view. It probably wouldn't be able to work as a book fold then, but it would have a longer lasting mechanism and still be a folding tabtop.
1:57 "...with a reassuring f**k".
it seems like oleds can do anything except come in standard monitor size
I mean they CAN, they're just expensive
HAHAHA underrated comment. I would absolutely kill to get a gaming 120hz or above 27 inch OLED monitor. The response time will be so sweet ontop of the colors compared to IPS or anything else.
It’s quite a leap to have this from Asus. Looking forward to more expansion and upgrades for this type of device
Maybe, maybe not. This is a clone of the Thinkpad Fold.
Thanks for the vid! Super interesting device.
A quick note, that bothers me in some reviews (not exclusively LTT) when reviewing under powered laptops: When a device can't manage a creator's workflow (image & video editing, 4k playback, ...), it gets called a "media consumption device" fairly quickly. However, there are a lot of use cases on PC that do not require the latest and greatest CPU performance. In my use case (Office & Scientific work and Programming) I can actually use my Surface Pro X for almost everything I do even when many programs or functionalities (e.g. Flutter programming) only work via emulation. Sure, my Samsung laptop is quicker, but the portability and battery life of the ARM processor is a huge plus, and therefore I use it quite regularly.
So IMO, the processing power of the Asus Fold 17 would be totally sufficient for me, and I wouldn't use it primarily for media consumption.
Use cases:
- Having a scientific paper on one side and writing on the other
- Inspecting Data while "data sciencing"
- Have a live server open for web programming with hot reloading
- Cloud Gaming (might fall under media consumption^^)
- ...
0:14 that caught me off guard so badly Lmao
Big Lmao at 3:36 - "Trust me bro"
I understood that reference
I kinda wanted the backpack, but the trust me bro thing is super off-putting and now I don't even want the screwdriver. Can't believe y'all are actually putting that in your plugs
Anthony is an absolute pleasure to listen to! Never let him go, LLT, DO YOU HEAR ME?!
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Only 30,000 folds? That means that if you fold it and unfold it 41 times a day, it will break in 1 year.
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I mean, You're not gonna fold it 41 times a day are you? It's still a dumb product and will die in a year tho
@@IneptOrange No, I am not lol. I said it that way from the perspective that 30k folds really are not that much. Considering Google recommends that a laptop should last you 3-5 years, you need to fold+unfold no more than 10 times a day to get 4-year use; which actually sounds kind of reasonable putting it that way haha
Just call it fOLED and I’d get one.
I feel like it would take a couple of hundred folds before you have issues with the screen, even if the hinge is rated for 30,000.
I thought it was amazing until he mentioned that it was actually a laptop. That thing as an external monitor on the go would be amazing!
Those are some BIG negatives. But overall I'm really excited about the direction and look forward to the next gen when these issues are addressed. Great review.
Samsung is gonna fold everything at this point, imagine the folding 110 inch smart TV
The folding toy
Already a thing, it retracts into a base
@@Shotblur Thats LG or do they use Samsung panels?
Im still glad LMG is putting Anthony in so many videos!! I enjoy listing to him review whatever while im doing work
If this had an HDMI input like some all-in-ones, it’d be great
Asus: You cannot take it apart.
Anthony: Don't you worry, I can destroy it without disassembling it! *proceeds to write honest review*
In wasn´t expecting the "trust me bro" when he was talking about the backpack, make me laugh a bit too much
13:10 Oh god that made me lol so bad. You guys are genious.
14:08 - "In search of incredible... they'll have to keep searching." ☠☠☠
3:33 LOL THEY TURNED THE MEME INTO REALITY!! 😂😂🤣🤣
the site doesnt even have a price or buy buttion
"they'll have to keep searching"
WOW, that's an incredible closing line lol
And yeah that intel time capsule video was fascinating, everyone go watch it!
IMO a 17" to 21" foldable would be a way better deal! The weight would be a concern, but you can already get lighter 17" screens on mobile! It could have 3 models: monitor, android and windows tablet!
I really wish more big companies would start making portable displays. All these amazing laptop screens you cant plug anything into.
Lol I was literally sneezing when he said "literally sneezed" 😂😂
I've seen some researchers use iPads to read papers, take notes etc. in the lab. I could imagine this being amazing for such purpose with the bigger screen size. Especially the reading part. But not even for a fraction of that insane pricing. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A PEN
"Book mode" seems like it would be amazing for reading PDFs formatted for letter/A4, especially ones laid out like a book with different left/right pages. Though it might be a miserable experience in practice. Makes for cool marketing photos at least.
I feel like foldable devices like this are basically like car boats. Like yeah it's kind of cool to have a car that can also be a boat, but realistically it's going to be bad at both, and you'd be better off just having separate cars and boats. In this case, you'd be better off just having a separate monitor if you want more screen real-estate, and then just a regular laptop the rest of the time.
I think the costs mostly comes from the fact the thing has such a massive screen, and is foldable, plus the keyboard which results in more materials used, plus you can take it apart to upgrade some little things
The Lenovo X1 Fold will be slightly smaller at 16.3 inches display but with a higher resolution 2560 x 2024 oled and brighter screen 600 nits and barely noticeable crease that will also be able to use a pen/stylus on the screen. Replaceable/swappable internals like the battery, etc., up to 32 gigs of memory vs only 16 gigs on the Asus and you can login with your face or the fingerprint reader on the X1's keyboard, and will be $2200-2500 starting price vs $3500 U. S. Dollars on the Asus for the same processor and xe graphics here in America. Kind of interesting to see which foldable laptop will sell better. For the price and specs my money is on the Lenovo X1 Fold. My biggest drawback for both is not enough power for video editing and games which is why I bought a much cheaper and more powerful option than the 2 Foldable laptops, an Alienware M15 R7 Intel 12th Gen with Nvidia 3070ti graphics and I'm loving it!
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I's same the two "foldables" weren't compared.