Dear specialists,i am a cappucino and latte lover. So, a great microfoam for me smtms is even more important than a great espresso shot in the bottom.Given this, would you still recomnend Saeco Poemia over Delonghi ec 155 (which you did many times)?i was going to buy Poemia but read in Pros of Delonghj ec 155 that it has a stronger Milk frother. And now i am bouncing between those entry-level machines.Could you please help me pick the right one for me considering i am a capuchino lover?Thanks a million!
Just bought the poemia. How long should I steam/froth the milk for a best result?is it OK to keep steaming/frothing the milk even though the steam light goes off?
Hello! I am looking at buying this machine. Though, I am curious as to if this would be my best option for under $200. I am currently using a cheap Mr.Coffee branded machine, and it pretty much just makes strong coffee. I work at Starbucks, so I am very used to the high powered machine. Do you think this would suit my home needs of just a few shots a day, while still giving me good control over everything?
Yes, it's made in China. We do sell a non-pressurized portafilter that you can purchase and make this machine more traditional espresso (you'll need a good grinder, then). No retrofit on the steam wand quite yet, but we're looking into one. The steam pressure is good for this machine -- pretty small boiler, so definitely takes some time to steam, but no worse than others of the same size. - Kat
I haven't used the Via Veneto Deluxe, but I think that they are going to be very similar in all of these regards. Just looks like the Poemia has more metal involved, so you'd be choosing mostly based on looks. - Kat
Hello girls, I appreciate the beautiful work you are making and I think you can give me the best advise to choose an espresso machine suitable for me. I can’t decide which one is better Philips Saeco Estrosa HD8525/09 or Philips Saeco Poemia HD8327/99, so I am asking you for an opinion. The price for the first one is a bit higher than the second one, but if this difference worth, than i am willing to pay it. I have to mention that I will use it on my home so I don't want something very expensive. But I want an espresso machine that makes a good coffee. If you have another suggestion for a similar price please let me know.Looking forward for your opinion. Thank you, Daniela
Hello Daniela Văduva, We are very glad you like our videos! It doesn't look like the Saeco Estrosa is currently available in the U.S. and because of this we have not been able to test it. The Saeco Poemia is a good machine and so is the Saeco Aroma. If the Aroma is available to purchase where you are, I would recommend considering that machine as well. Here is our video on the Aroma: ruclips.net/video/qEkg9Bqn_Ws/видео.html. I hope this helps! - Sarah
On smaller single boilers that don't have auto-fill, like this machine, steaming, cooling down and then brewing is recommended to ensure you're actively refilling the boiler on a regular basis. - Kat
Hi guys thanks for the demos, would you guys suggest the Saeco Poemia or the Krups XP5280 or the Delonghi Iconia? What are the pros and cons of each machine? Thanks a lot!!!
thanks for the reply! Since the mineral deposits built-up in the unit will affect the operation of the appliance it must be delimed. Will distilled Water make a difference/healthier then tap hard water?
Yes, we always fill the filter with coffee; tamping is your choice - if you have a grinder that isn't doing it super fine, then you could try tamping to improve flavor. On these machines, you end shots at volume vs. duration so for one shot stop at 1 oz and 2 shots stop at 2 oz (or whatever you personally prefer). If you need some tips on dialing in your pressurized portafilter, search for that in our videos - we have a how-to guide. - Kat
I've been looking around for a different espresso machine lately, but this one caught my eye, alongside the Capresso Cafe and Saeco Aroma. I'm not too experienced, though. Since this and the Cafe are entry level, I want to know if they're really suitable for long-term use? Also, (I forget if you mentioned this in the video or not) is there an option for non-pressurized portafilters? I ask because I hear that you can get a better shot by manually tamping than letting the machine do it?
Distilled water is hard on the internals if they have any metals exposed; also, it doesn't make coffee taste very good as it can overextract. I recommend using water you like the taste of and then descaling. - Kat
I think for what it is, it's great; if you're doing a lot of milk steaming, though, it might be more of a headache for you. If that's the case, do the Via Venezia. - Kat
Tough call! Their internals are identical, so it's really about your budget. Also, the Via Venezia is a heavier duty case / build and has been around for about 20 years so had a great track record. - Kat
With pressurized portafilters, you can't really dial in based on timing as the tech doesn't allow that. If it's still tasting sour, you might want to updose, tamp a bit or pick a different coffee. It's always going to come out fast (I've found) but you can calibrate based on the taste. We have a video on this - dialing in a pressurized portafilter - that might give you some tips. - Kat
Which one should I get? Delonghi ec155, Delonghi 702, saeco Poemia, or saeco Aroma for better crema and better microfoam for latte art. Thank you so much, and your reviews help me a lot!! ^^
Hi! Great review! I want to buy an entry level machine and I would like to know if this one is much better than the Delongui ec155, because in my country there's a big difference in price between each other. Thanks!
hi, I always like your videos, I need some advice here I drink coffee everyday,using a french press, I want to make espresso and practice latte art at home, is this machine for me? or I have to save up more for a gaggia classic?
Not really sure on the single basket situation -- sounds like maybe it's not sealing correctly? On the double basket, it sounds like your coffee is starting out too coarse. Also, with pressurization, you can't dial it in by time, just by taste. We have a video on that called Dialing in a Pressurized Portafitler which you should check out for more tips. Hope that helps! - Kat
It would be difficult to get latte art quality milk with this machine because it has a panarello adapter on the wand, so it makes super fluffy milk, versus the more creamy/velvety textured milk you're looking for. But I know some folks have taken that off and used just the nozzle for steaming, so you could try that. :) The coffee side of things is great. - Kat
Thx for your reply, I might be getting one of these but it is expensive in my country I gave up the idea of getting a gaggia classic bcoz it cost a whole month's salary If i take off the nozzle for this, will it be too short? do i need to get an attachment to the wand? If you were to choose between this and delonghi ec155, which will it be? thanks for replying Chong
Hello, I've been wanting to buy an espresso machine and am deciding between the DeLonghi (Kenwood) kMix ES 021 and the Philips-Saeco Poemia. Which one would you suggest? Thanks
Hi Kat, I've never been able to achieve milk that is good enough for latte art with the steam wand on this machine. Is there something that I might be doing wrong here? Thanks in advance!
This can happen as your coffee ages, especially if you're using pre-ground coffee. If that's the case, try tamping it a bit to slow down the extraction and see how that goes - Kat
Recently I bought this machine (in the Netherlands), and I'm starting to learn how to use it properly thanks to video's like yours, so thanks for that. Question: I usually drink coffee alone but with the portafilter for grinded coffee you can only make two espresso's a time right? The filter for ESE or the rubber thing can't be used to turn the grind-filter into a one-shot filter or can it?
It sure can! You'll need to put the rubber disk in below the single shot basket and then it will work well for you. It will still come out of two spouts, but you'll just short the volumes. - Kat
Love the videos - always enjoyable! With this one having the same internals as the Via Venezia and Aroma, is the reduced cost coming strictly from the materials of the machine/case? Is there a great difference in performance? -Chris
If my shots are coming out too fast 16-17 sec, it is probably the grind size? Would the Cuisinart® Programmable Conical Burr Mill grind fine enough for this machine? With the pressurized portafilter a moist puck is expected? Do you have any tips for steaming almond milk? Fat Free Milk? Thanks!
The grind size could be the reason for the fast shots. Definitely play around with your grind to see which setting works best. We have not tried the Cuisinart Programmable Conical Burr Mill grinder, so we are unable to advise if it grinds fine enough for the Saeco Poemia. Moist pucks are generally more common with pressurized portafilters, but may have something to do with your grind as well. We will be releasing another video comparing different types of milk and how well they hold up to steaming and frothing. So, stay tuned for that! However, it is generally a little more difficult to get a rich frothy foam on a milk that is not whole or 2% cow's milk. If you have a manual steam wand, you could leave the wand tip near the top of the milk (where the hissing sound occurs) for the entire time you steam and not submerge the wand at all. This will not heat the milk as fast and gives you more time to froth (if you like a decent amount of foam). - Sarah
hi there....thanks for all those videos you did for folks like me who are new to this coffee machines thing.. i need your help....m planning to buy one of these entry level makers, choices being narrowed down to Delonghi EC 145, EC 155 and this saeco..plz advice which is a better machine considerring that i ll have an entry level grinder to go with them ....or at times ground coffee powder from starbucks..!!! i m totally counting on your word to hit the purchase button as you guys are the pros....real connoisseurs of coffee.. :)
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Thanks to your videos I manage to buy a poemia today. So far I like the Machine a lot because it makes some pretty good coffee in comparison to the old automatic Saeco that we used to have. I can't remember the name of the model but it was incredibly expensive when we bought it.
Ive ordered one in christmas boxing day sale for 40 quid hopefully thats good. Only one i saw for such a good price and does all with 5 star ratings and nice and small. Cant wait for it to come iam a lover of expressos. X
Hi Kat, Thanks for the video. I bought one Poemia last week and I realized that the brew light turns off everytime I start brewing the shot. I left the machine on for 20 minutes before making espresso with the portafilter on it, passed a cup of water through machine with the empty portafilter on it before brewing and still water temperature drops and the light turns off few seconds after I start brewing coffee. I was wondering if I am missing something here. Thanks.
Hey, thank you ladies, I bought this machine (largely based on your review) and must say, I'm very happy with it. Got it for under £50, and it makes a really good standard of coffee. It was useful seeing the shot in a see-through glass, because you can see how much it froths. I found the circuit priming, after you've refilled or used the frother, quite odd. Is that normal practice for these machines? Thanks
Hello Mark D, I'm glad to hear you enjoy your machine! :-) Circuit priming is normal after dispensing steam or when the water tank is refilled. It gets out any old water or reside that may be lingering. It's also very important to purge the steam wand after each steam/froth cycle. If you do not purge, overtime milk residue can build-up and eventually clog the steam arm. Plus, you don't want old moldy milk residue mixing with your new milk anyway. :-) I hope this helps! ~ Sarah
Not really ... we have a comparison video coming up in a bit between this and the Aroma. It really is the case being a SS wrapped plastic vs. powder coated steel. - Kat
Tried to check out your video, but it came up empty. Hard for me to give tips without seeing it in action ... if you can put it back up, I can give you some feedback :) - Kat
Hello! I would like to ask for your help. I purchased one of these 2 months ago. I am quite satisfied with it, but now - for a week approx- something went wrong. The water comes through too fast, resulting in a hollow-bodied coffee. The manual is useless - I use the same coffee, and no part is missing from the portafilter (IMHO). Could you please advise me? :( Thank you for your help in advance!
Thank you very much Miranda!!! I found a quite impressive offer for the Saeco so i'm thinking after you said that they are quite the same except for the Cappuccino to go for it! I'm not a fen of the cappuccino ! Not at all! :) But... i love coffee so... Again thank you for the fast respond to my question and keep helping and consulting people like me. :) Kind regadrs!
A few things could be causing it: Too many grounds (make sure you are using between 14 and 18 grams for a double shot), too finely ground (should be similar in texture to granulated sugar), or stray grounds (make sure to clean off the rim of the portafilter, or it will not be able to get a good seal). Let me know if you continue to have issues! - Kaylie
Hey there, I just bought this a few weeks ago. I know i have everything in correctly, but everytime I make espresso, it overflows and comes out at the top out the sides. Do you know what can be causing this? thank you!
high crew.As usual entertaining and informative.I noticed you stated that the Saeco machine was a "phillips".In the UK where I live Gaggia is owned by phillips and the machine you are showing is ,apart from the styling,EXACTLY the same as the gran gaggia prestige.You said that the pod basket could be used as a single shot basket but the instructions state however that the larger basket should be filled with 1 scoop of coffee for a single and two for a double,is this the case.I am also trying to slow my extraction as a shot always takes around 10 to 15 seconds but even filling the basket and heavy tamping(using Illy espesso) doesnt do much.The info for the machine states that it has a "perfect crema" filter that needs no tamping.
As far as I know, the smaller basket is for both single and pods; if you under dosed the double basket, your shot may suffer. Experiment and see which you like better! - Kat
Girls, a few questions: This is made in China? Can fit a different portafiltro or at least remove the pressurizer mechanism? Can the steam pipe be replaced by another, bendable, one? Is the steam pressure good enough? Thanks!
hi I just got my 2nd hand poemia and there are some issues i am facing 1st is if i use the single basket, the water will come out from the side of the portafilter 2nd is if I use the double basket for a single shot, it brews too fast, i tried tamping but the water comes out around 10 secs for a shot. What is wrong? or is my machine faulty?
How does this hold up against the DeLonghi EC155 and the Kenwood ES021 (sometimes calle Delonghi ES021?). And not to bother you too much but is there any difference between the Delonghi EC145 and EC155 other than looks? Thanks :)
The DeLonghi EC155 is mostly constructed of plastic, while the case of the Poemia is made of stainless steel. The Poemia has a slightly larger water reservoir. It also has the ability to upgrade your portafilter to non-pressurized. The EC155 is lower in price. I am not too familiar with the Kmix machine since we have not carried that machine in a while. I believe the difference between the EC145 and the EC155 is that the EC145 is the european version of the machine. - Steven
Hello girls! I have a question. Sorry if you answered already... :] In my country we have Saeco HD8323-8423/39 [it's written in the site in that way] and DeLonghi EC155 and the Saeco is a bit cheaper... I read that the crema disk in the Saeco is plastic, same in the DeLonghi [ i think]... I was going to buy the EC155 but should I ??? We don't have Aroma or Via Venezia available. Than you !!!
Hello alper yasharov, Both machines have pressurization so that they allow you to use pre-ground or freshly ground coffee and produce a consistent shot. What I’ve generally found as far as the quality of the shot, they will be quite comparable. The Poemia is a pretty light machine overall, with a plastic body but still solid internal components just like the Aroma and Via Venezia. The steam capability is a bit more consistent, and will produce a wet cappuccino every time, whereas the Delonghi produces a bit larger bubbles that seems to dissipate a bit faster after frothing. I hope this information helps! - Miranda
There's not an attachment, and it will be very short. Some people have been able to make it work. Of the two machines, this guy has the potential to last longer than the DeLonghi models. - Kat
Thanks for the question Pang Chan Yip! Typically when pulling a shot of espresso you want to get 2 ounces in 20-30 seconds. This way you get the best extraction and a great shot of espresso. Adjusting how course your grind is will help you extend or shorten your pull time. :) And of course, experiment with your timing until you find the right setting for your taste and coffee :)
Poemia - great temp; not super great construction. Krups - love the tamping system on it, temp is only so-so. Delonghi has good temp and good build quality. None of these are going to last you a lifetime, plan on a few years and they may last a little longer than that. - Kat
Hello~!Thank you to your vedio! I have the same model cafe machine. But the crema is not as much as it was. It's just like 1mm on the surface of my espresso.Don't know why~! Maybe you can help me! Thanks a lot!
Seattle Coffee Gear There's a video by the parts guru here and he is showing how to brew with a pressurized portafilter and he shows that once you hit brew and want to pull a shot he holds the handle to the right (which locks the little pressure valve and prevents coffee from coming out) for about 6 seconds or until the first drop is forced out and he lets go which creates a sort of pre-infusion if you will. Have you guys tested this theory at all?
Seattle Coffee Gear I have not because I haven't bought my machine yet. But I will when I do, unless your crew could maybe test this out and maybe make a video if it turns out good. Keep me posted if not I definitely will try it when I get my machine.
If you are using the pressurized portafilter then the tamp is not very important. If you swap it out and use the non-pressurized portafilter, the reg barber tamp will have more weight to it and be easier to tamp. - Steven
Hmmmm ... tough call. The Aroma has been around forever so is definitely going to have longevity. But I like the looks of the Poemia. Both of their steam wands are meh - Kat
now everytime i try to make coffee the three lights are ON simultaneously and no coffee pours? what does this mean? i just bought it and i need to know if i need to return it back
Try drawing water out of the steam wand by opening the steam valve knob and switching the dial on the front to brew so that the pump engages. Draw about 4-8 oz. of water out, and this should cool the machine down. You should always be sure to refill the boiler when steaming is finished by pulling a couple ounces of water out of the steam wand. This helps to shorten how long the machine takes to get down to brew temp and also makes sure that the boiler is completely filled so that you don’t have the potential to burn out the boiler. Also, check to make sure you can get water out of the brew head without the portafilter (and possibly the screen, as it may be clogged). If not, please give us a call so that we can further troubleshoot if you purchased it from us. - Miranda
Hi, I just bought this one (poemia) yesterday as my old delonghi died on me. Ive never used a pressurized portafilter before, so a few questions 1.Once the green light for the brewing mode is on, do i let the shot be drawn till the light goes off? ( shot will be for a cappucino) 2. I notice that the steamer wand doesnt seem to foam the milk as good as my old delonghi. Any tips? 3. If i want a single shot do i use the smaller portafilter, or the big one with less coffee powder? 4. Whats that rubber disc like thing they have provided, is it for use with pods? Thanks
You let the shot go until you have the right shot volume. (1 oz for single, 2 oz. for double) As far as the foam, since this is a Panarello, you're stuck with the foam it creates. There is not much flexibility with creating more or less foam. - Steven
I was wondering, in this video, were they using whole milk or another milk. I tried the poemia with 2% milk, and it was not like the one in the video, and I am wondering if that's because they were using richer milk.@@SeattleCoffeeGear
Seattle Coffee Gear recently bought the poemia but the shots are too bitter and sour also sometimes the shot wont come out until 10 seconds what can i do ? im using the pressurized portafilter!
akshay soni It sounds like your grind is too fine, or perhaps too much pressure is being applied when tamping. If you grind your own beans, I suggest playing with your grind setting and making the grind a little more coarse. - Sarah
Niladri Haldar Yes, we still suggest the Saeco Poemia over the Delonghi EC155. Everyones preferences are different though, so while we still pick the Poemia, you may prefer the EC155. - Sarah
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Are you using the rubber gasket as well? You can definitely use it for ground coffee, not just pods. - Kat
Dear specialists,i am a cappucino and latte lover. So, a great microfoam for me smtms is even more important than a great espresso shot in the bottom.Given this, would you still recomnend Saeco Poemia over Delonghi ec 155 (which you did many times)?i was going to buy Poemia but read in Pros of Delonghj ec 155 that it has a stronger Milk frother. And now i am bouncing between those entry-level machines.Could you please help me pick the right one for me considering i am a capuchino lover?Thanks a million!
Thank you, Zsolt! Glad we have been helpful for you all the way in Hungary :D - Kat
Just bought the poemia. How long should I steam/froth the milk for a best result?is it OK to keep steaming/frothing the milk even though the steam light goes off?
Hello! I am looking at buying this machine. Though, I am curious as to if this would be my best option for under $200. I am currently using a cheap Mr.Coffee branded machine, and it pretty much just makes strong coffee. I work at Starbucks, so I am very used to the high powered machine. Do you think this would suit my home needs of just a few shots a day, while still giving me good control over everything?
Yes, it's made in China. We do sell a non-pressurized portafilter that you can purchase and make this machine more traditional espresso (you'll need a good grinder, then). No retrofit on the steam wand quite yet, but we're looking into one. The steam pressure is good for this machine -- pretty small boiler, so definitely takes some time to steam, but no worse than others of the same size. - Kat
Great to hear!! It's always awesome to get a new machine that performs better than your old model :) Glad your Poemia hit the mark for you - Kat
I haven't used the Via Veneto Deluxe, but I think that they are going to be very similar in all of these regards. Just looks like the Poemia has more metal involved, so you'd be choosing mostly based on looks. - Kat
Hello girls,
I appreciate the beautiful work you are making and I think you can give me the best advise to choose an espresso machine suitable for me. I can’t decide which one is better Philips Saeco Estrosa HD8525/09 or Philips Saeco Poemia HD8327/99, so I am asking you for an opinion. The price for the first one is a bit higher than the second one, but if this difference worth, than i am willing to pay it. I have to mention that I will use it on my home so I don't want something very expensive. But I want an espresso machine that makes a good coffee. If you have another suggestion for a similar price please let me know.Looking forward for your opinion.
Thank you,
Daniela
Hello Daniela Văduva, We are very glad you like our videos! It doesn't look like the Saeco Estrosa is currently available in the U.S. and because of this we have not been able to test it. The Saeco Poemia is a good machine and so is the Saeco Aroma. If the Aroma is available to purchase where you are, I would recommend considering that machine as well. Here is our video on the Aroma: ruclips.net/video/qEkg9Bqn_Ws/видео.html. I hope this helps! - Sarah
On smaller single boilers that don't have auto-fill, like this machine, steaming, cooling down and then brewing is recommended to ensure you're actively refilling the boiler on a regular basis. - Kat
Hi guys thanks for the demos, would you guys suggest the Saeco Poemia or the Krups XP5280 or the Delonghi Iconia? What are the pros and cons of each machine? Thanks a lot!!!
Hey there, Do you recommend the Delonghi EC155 or Poemia? Do the poemia have a build in Tamper? and which Steam wand is better? Thanks
It'll be up with our new site this week. Price (as of this posting, don't quote me on it 3 years from now) is $179 - Kat
Yes - check the channel! We have done a few of these last year; we'll do another update this summer :) - Kat
thanks for the reply! Since the mineral deposits built-up in the unit will affect the operation of the appliance it must be delimed. Will distilled Water make a difference/healthier then tap hard water?
Yes, we always fill the filter with coffee; tamping is your choice - if you have a grinder that isn't doing it super fine, then you could try tamping to improve flavor. On these machines, you end shots at volume vs. duration so for one shot stop at 1 oz and 2 shots stop at 2 oz (or whatever you personally prefer). If you need some tips on dialing in your pressurized portafilter, search for that in our videos - we have a how-to guide. - Kat
I've been looking around for a different espresso machine lately, but this one caught my eye, alongside the Capresso Cafe and Saeco Aroma. I'm not too experienced, though. Since this and the Cafe are entry level, I want to know if they're really suitable for long-term use? Also, (I forget if you mentioned this in the video or not) is there an option for non-pressurized portafilters? I ask because I hear that you can get a better shot by manually tamping than letting the machine do it?
Distilled water is hard on the internals if they have any metals exposed; also, it doesn't make coffee taste very good as it can overextract. I recommend using water you like the taste of and then descaling. - Kat
I think for what it is, it's great; if you're doing a lot of milk steaming, though, it might be more of a headache for you. If that's the case, do the Via Venezia. - Kat
Tough call! Their internals are identical, so it's really about your budget. Also, the Via Venezia is a heavier duty case / build and has been around for about 20 years so had a great track record. - Kat
With pressurized portafilters, you can't really dial in based on timing as the tech doesn't allow that. If it's still tasting sour, you might want to updose, tamp a bit or pick a different coffee. It's always going to come out fast (I've found) but you can calibrate based on the taste. We have a video on this - dialing in a pressurized portafilter - that might give you some tips. - Kat
Which one should I get? Delonghi ec155, Delonghi 702, saeco Poemia, or saeco Aroma for better crema and better microfoam for latte art. Thank you so much, and your reviews help me a lot!! ^^
Hi! Great review! I want to buy an entry level machine and I would like to know if this one is much better than the Delongui ec155, because in my country there's a big difference in price between each other. Thanks!
hi, I always like your videos,
I need some advice here
I drink coffee everyday,using a french press,
I want to make espresso and practice latte art at home,
is this machine for me? or I have to save up more for a gaggia classic?
Not really sure on the single basket situation -- sounds like maybe it's not sealing correctly? On the double basket, it sounds like your coffee is starting out too coarse. Also, with pressurization, you can't dial it in by time, just by taste. We have a video on that called Dialing in a Pressurized Portafitler which you should check out for more tips. Hope that helps! - Kat
It would be difficult to get latte art quality milk with this machine because it has a panarello adapter on the wand, so it makes super fluffy milk, versus the more creamy/velvety textured milk you're looking for. But I know some folks have taken that off and used just the nozzle for steaming, so you could try that. :) The coffee side of things is great. - Kat
I just got a coffee machine like this one, but i didnt know how to set it up. This video helped me alot!
Pressing down on the coffee to add a little more pressure and a level surface for the water to hit, resulting in a more even extraction. - Kat
Thx for your reply, I might be getting one of these but it is expensive in my country
I gave up the idea of getting a gaggia classic bcoz it cost a whole month's salary
If i take off the nozzle for this, will it be too short? do i need to get an attachment to the wand?
If you were to choose between this and delonghi ec155, which will it be?
thanks for replying
Chong
Hello, I've been wanting to buy an espresso machine and am deciding between the DeLonghi (Kenwood) kMix ES 021 and the Philips-Saeco Poemia. Which one would you suggest? Thanks
Hi Kat, I've never been able to achieve milk that is good enough for latte art with the steam wand on this machine. Is there something that I might be doing wrong here? Thanks in advance!
This can happen as your coffee ages, especially if you're using pre-ground coffee. If that's the case, try tamping it a bit to slow down the extraction and see how that goes - Kat
Recently I bought this machine (in the Netherlands), and I'm starting to learn how to use it properly thanks to video's like yours, so thanks for that. Question: I usually drink coffee alone but with the portafilter for grinded coffee you can only make two espresso's a time right? The filter for ESE or the rubber thing can't be used to turn the grind-filter into a one-shot filter or can it?
It sure can! You'll need to put the rubber disk in below the single shot basket and then it will work well for you. It will still come out of two spouts, but you'll just short the volumes. - Kat
Love the videos - always enjoyable! With this one having the same internals as the Via Venezia and Aroma, is the reduced cost coming strictly from the materials of the machine/case? Is there a great difference in performance? -Chris
If my shots are coming out too fast 16-17 sec, it is probably the grind size? Would the Cuisinart® Programmable Conical Burr Mill grind fine enough for this machine? With the pressurized portafilter a moist puck is expected? Do you have any tips for steaming almond milk? Fat Free Milk? Thanks!
The grind size could be the reason for the fast shots. Definitely play around with your grind to see which setting works best. We have not tried the Cuisinart Programmable Conical Burr Mill grinder, so we are unable to advise if it grinds fine enough for the Saeco Poemia. Moist pucks are generally more common with pressurized portafilters, but may have something to do with your grind as well. We will be releasing another video comparing different types of milk and how well they hold up to steaming and frothing. So, stay tuned for that! However, it is generally a little more difficult to get a rich frothy foam on a milk that is not whole or 2% cow's milk. If you have a manual steam wand, you could leave the wand tip near the top of the milk (where the hissing sound occurs) for the entire time you steam and not submerge the wand at all. This will not heat the milk as fast and gives you more time to froth (if you like a decent amount of foam). - Sarah
Im thinking about buying an espresso machine for my parents but I am inbetween this machine and the DeLonghi Icona. Any advice?
hi there....thanks for all those videos you did for folks like me who are new to this coffee machines thing.. i need your help....m planning to buy one of these entry level makers, choices being narrowed down to Delonghi EC 145, EC 155 and this saeco..plz advice which is a better machine considerring that i ll have an entry level grinder to go with them ....or at times ground coffee powder from starbucks..!!! i m totally counting on your word to hit the purchase button as you guys are the pros....real connoisseurs of coffee.. :)
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Sure! I'll put it on the to-do list. - Kat
Thanks to your videos I manage to buy a poemia today. So far I like the Machine a lot because it makes some pretty good coffee in comparison to the old automatic Saeco that we used to have. I can't remember the name of the model but it was incredibly expensive when we bought it.
This machine is similar to Gaggia viva, right? How does it compare to Delonghi ec685?
Ive ordered one in christmas boxing day sale for 40 quid hopefully thats good.
Only one i saw for such a good price and does all with 5 star ratings and nice and small. Cant wait for it to come iam a lover of expressos. X
Hi Kat,
Thanks for the video. I bought one Poemia last week and I realized that the brew light turns off everytime I start brewing the shot. I left the machine on for 20 minutes before making espresso with the portafilter on it, passed a cup of water through machine with the empty portafilter on it before brewing and still water temperature drops and the light turns off few seconds after I start brewing coffee. I was wondering if I am missing something here. Thanks.
Hey, thank you ladies, I bought this machine (largely based on your review) and must say, I'm very happy with it. Got it for under £50, and it makes a really good standard of coffee. It was useful seeing the shot in a see-through glass, because you can see how much it froths. I found the circuit priming, after you've refilled or used the frother, quite odd. Is that normal practice for these machines?
Thanks
Hello Mark D, I'm glad to hear you enjoy your machine! :-) Circuit priming is normal after dispensing steam or when the water tank is refilled. It gets out any old water or reside that may be lingering. It's also very important to purge the steam wand after each steam/froth cycle. If you do not purge, overtime milk residue can build-up and eventually clog the steam arm. Plus, you don't want old moldy milk residue mixing with your new milk anyway. :-) I hope this helps! ~ Sarah
Seattle Coffee Gear Thanks Sarah. That makes a lot of sense! Sound advice
Sorry to hear this! It's got the same internals as the other small single boilers, so could be you got the lemon in the batch, sadly :( - Kat
Not really ... we have a comparison video coming up in a bit between this and the Aroma. It really is the case being a SS wrapped plastic vs. powder coated steel. - Kat
Tried to check out your video, but it came up empty. Hard for me to give tips without seeing it in action ... if you can put it back up, I can give you some feedback :) - Kat
Hello! I would like to ask for your help. I purchased one of these 2 months ago. I am quite satisfied with it, but now - for a week approx- something went wrong. The water comes through too fast, resulting in a hollow-bodied coffee. The manual is useless - I use the same coffee, and no part is missing from the portafilter (IMHO). Could you please advise me? :( Thank you for your help in advance!
Great vid.. ;)
When will you posting info on this machine in the Seattlecoffeegear website...?
What machine would u recommend the Via or poemia?
Should I buy this or the delonghi kMix?
Thank you very much Miranda!!! I found a quite impressive offer for the Saeco so i'm thinking after you said that they are quite the same except for the Cappuccino to go for it! I'm not a fen of the cappuccino ! Not at all! :) But... i love coffee so... Again thank you for the fast respond to my question and keep helping and consulting people like me. :)
Kind regadrs!
Hey Kat would you all do a vid with this one using a non pressurized basket?
A few things could be causing it: Too many grounds (make sure you are using between 14 and 18 grams for a double shot), too finely ground (should be similar in texture to granulated sugar), or stray grounds (make sure to clean off the rim of the portafilter, or it will not be able to get a good seal).
Let me know if you continue to have issues! - Kaylie
Hey there, I just bought this a few weeks ago. I know i have everything in correctly, but everytime I make espresso, it overflows and comes out at the top out the sides. Do you know what can be causing this? thank you!
If you can find coffee that is ground for espresso you will have better results. I hope that helps :) - Kat
Thanks, Kat! Looking forward to the comparison video. -Chris
high crew.As usual entertaining and informative.I noticed you stated that the Saeco machine was a "phillips".In the UK where I live Gaggia is owned by phillips and the machine you are showing is ,apart from the styling,EXACTLY the same as the gran gaggia prestige.You said that the pod basket could be used as a single shot basket but the instructions state however that the larger basket should be filled with 1 scoop of coffee for a single and two for a double,is this the case.I am also trying to slow my extraction as a shot always takes around 10 to 15 seconds but even filling the basket and heavy tamping(using Illy espesso) doesnt do much.The info for the machine states that it has a "perfect crema" filter that needs no tamping.
As far as I know, the smaller basket is for both single and pods; if you under dosed the double basket, your shot may suffer. Experiment and see which you like better! - Kat
Girls, a few questions:
This is made in China?
Can fit a different portafiltro or at least remove the pressurizer mechanism?
Can the steam pipe be replaced by another, bendable, one?
Is the steam pressure good enough?
Thanks!
could you brew first then froth milk with this machine? i see most videos, they keep frothing first before brewing
I just ordered one After I read your comments.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks :D
hi
I just got my 2nd hand poemia and there are some issues i am facing
1st is if i use the single basket, the water will come out from the side of the portafilter
2nd is if I use the double basket for a single shot, it brews too fast, i tried tamping but the water comes out around 10 secs for a shot.
What is wrong? or is my machine faulty?
How does this hold up against the DeLonghi EC155 and the Kenwood ES021 (sometimes calle Delonghi ES021?).
And not to bother you too much but is there any difference between the Delonghi EC145 and EC155 other than looks?
Thanks :)
The DeLonghi EC155 is mostly constructed of plastic, while the case of the Poemia is made of stainless steel. The Poemia has a slightly larger water reservoir. It also has the ability to upgrade your portafilter to non-pressurized. The EC155 is lower in price. I am not too familiar with the Kmix machine since we have not carried that machine in a while.
I believe the difference between the EC145 and the EC155 is that the EC145 is the european version of the machine. - Steven
Hello girls! I have a question. Sorry if you answered already... :] In my country we have Saeco HD8323-8423/39 [it's written in the site in that way] and DeLonghi EC155 and the Saeco is a bit cheaper... I read that the crema disk in the Saeco is plastic, same in the DeLonghi [ i think]... I was going to buy the EC155 but should I ??? We don't have Aroma or Via Venezia available.
Than you !!!
Hello alper yasharov, Both machines have pressurization so that they allow you to use pre-ground or freshly ground coffee and produce a consistent shot. What I’ve generally found as far as the quality of the shot, they will be quite comparable. The Poemia is a pretty light machine overall, with a plastic body but still solid internal components just like the Aroma and Via Venezia. The steam capability is a bit more consistent, and will produce a wet cappuccino every time, whereas the Delonghi produces a bit larger bubbles that seems to dissipate a bit faster after frothing. I hope this information helps! - Miranda
help me? what kind of grinding coffee I use? Coffee brewed (traditional) or "express"?
Hmmmm - you could try a finer grind; sometimes I've seen that with coarser grinds and, therefore, more pressure. - Kat
There's not an attachment, and it will be very short. Some people have been able to make it work. Of the two machines, this guy has the potential to last longer than the DeLonghi models. - Kat
The tank is fairly small so you'll be refreshing the water every couple of days with normal use. - Kat
I hear you got the Poemia. Nice! ~ sam
Check out the compare we just posted of the Poemia v Aroma v Venezia ... I'd go with the Saeco for long term build quality / repaiability. - Kat
noted that how much coffee flow depends on how long u turn on the knob? how do we know when should we stop to get a cup of rich creamy espresso?
Thanks for the question Pang Chan Yip! Typically when pulling a shot of espresso you want to get 2 ounces in 20-30 seconds. This way you get the best extraction and a great shot of espresso. Adjusting how course your grind is will help you extend or shorten your pull time. :) And of course, experiment with your timing until you find the right setting for your taste and coffee :)
Love your videos guys. Just wondering: Is the model you tested made in china? (Are all the Poemias made in china?)
Yes and yes. All of Saeco's non-superautos are made in China / Taiwan. - Kat
hi please tell me where can i buy those cute small glass cups for esspreso?
I like the Poemia's performance better, but the design/look of the kMix. - Kat
Poemia - great temp; not super great construction. Krups - love the tamping system on it, temp is only so-so. Delonghi has good temp and good build quality. None of these are going to last you a lifetime, plan on a few years and they may last a little longer than that. - Kat
Thank you!! :) - Kat
I found the solution to this, i put in the ese pod adapter when i brew using single basket, then the water wont leak
will this affect anything?
Hi, what is the diameter size for this if i want to buy a tamper?
Hello~!Thank you to your vedio! I have the same model cafe machine. But the crema is not as much as it was. It's just like 1mm on the surface of my espresso.Don't know why~! Maybe you can help me! Thanks a lot!
Seattle Coffee Gear There's a video by the parts guru here and he is showing how to brew with a pressurized portafilter and he shows that once you hit brew and want to pull a shot he holds the handle to the right (which locks the little pressure valve and prevents coffee from coming out) for about 6 seconds or until the first drop is forced out and he lets go which creates a sort of pre-infusion if you will. Have you guys tested this theory at all?
We have not tried this method. Sounds interesting. Have you tried it at all? - Steven
Seattle Coffee Gear I have not because I haven't bought my machine yet. But I will when I do, unless your crew could maybe test this out and maybe make a video if it turns out good. Keep me posted if not I definitely will try it when I get my machine.
The coffee "espresso" is a milling too fine for Saeco Poemia? What is with Filter-pressurized.
Crema is mostly about the coffee you're using and how fresh it is. - Kat
This is the machine I want. Probably the best bang for buck.
i'm getting big bubbles with the creme produce from this machine, what things might have gone wrong?
Amazing review. Good job guys hands down.
I wanna buy me one.
Would the tamp that is on the scoop work as well as a reg barber tamp?
If you are using the pressurized portafilter then the tamp is not very important. If you swap it out and use the non-pressurized portafilter, the reg barber tamp will have more weight to it and be easier to tamp. - Steven
Hmmmm ... tough call. The Aroma has been around forever so is definitely going to have longevity. But I like the looks of the Poemia. Both of their steam wands are meh - Kat
When you say the Poemia has the same guts, you are referring to it compared to the Aroma and the Via Venezia, correct?
+sammu That is correct!
Yay!!!! Glad it was an easy fix :D - Kat
Hello!!!Saeco Poemia o Saeco ViaVeneto???Thanks thanks thanks!!!!
now everytime i try to make coffee the three lights are ON simultaneously and no coffee pours? what does this mean? i just bought it and i need to know if i need to return it back
Try drawing water out of the steam wand by opening the steam valve knob and switching the dial on the front to brew so that the pump engages. Draw about 4-8 oz. of water out, and this should cool the machine down. You should always be sure to refill the boiler when steaming is finished by pulling a couple ounces of water out of the steam wand. This helps to shorten how long the machine takes to get down to brew temp and also makes sure that the boiler is completely filled so that you don’t have the potential to burn out the boiler. Also, check to make sure you can get water out of the brew head without the portafilter (and possibly the screen, as it may be clogged). If not, please give us a call so that we can further troubleshoot if you purchased it from us. - Miranda
Hi,
I just bought this one (poemia) yesterday as my old delonghi died on me. Ive never used a pressurized portafilter before, so a few questions
1.Once the green light for the brewing mode is on, do i let the shot be drawn till the light goes off? ( shot will be for a cappucino)
2. I notice that the steamer wand doesnt seem to foam the milk as good as my old delonghi. Any tips?
3. If i want a single shot do i use the smaller portafilter, or the big one with less coffee powder?
4. Whats that rubber disc like thing they have provided, is it for use with pods?
Thanks
You let the shot go until you have the right shot volume. (1 oz for single, 2 oz. for double) As far as the foam, since this is a Panarello, you're stuck with the foam it creates. There is not much flexibility with creating more or less foam. - Steven
I was wondering, in this video, were they using whole milk or another milk. I tried the poemia with 2% milk, and it was not like the one in the video, and I am wondering if that's because they were using richer milk.@@SeattleCoffeeGear
how often change the water?
little boy that packs a big punch! btw thank you for this vid i was about to die of boredom :')
Delonghi ec155 or saeco poemia considering the price is same in my country ?
I think the poemia is a better bet. The prices do not match on our site, and the Poemia is time tested and proven. - Steven
Seattle Coffee Gear thank steven, its india :D
Seattle Coffee Gear
recently bought the poemia but the shots are too bitter and sour also sometimes the shot wont come out until 10 seconds what can i do ? im using the pressurized portafilter!
akshay soni It sounds like your grind is too fine, or perhaps too much pressure is being applied when tamping. If you grind your own beans, I suggest playing with your grind setting and making the grind a little more coarse. - Sarah
Niladri Haldar Yes, we still suggest the Saeco Poemia over the Delonghi EC155. Everyones preferences are different though, so while we still pick the Poemia, you may prefer the EC155. - Sarah
In addition to it, after i brew, inside my filter basket is wet and watery, why is this happening?
I think they make similar coffee - Kat
This guy has a bit better temp regulation than DeLonghi machines, but otherwise, you're going to have similar cups/brew/steam experiences. - Kat
Looks normal to me! :) - Kat
Does this come with the portafilter?
Hi scott foulser! The Poemia comes with the portafilter in the video (pressurized portafilter). - Sarah
Aroma! :) - Kat