UFC is just a money whore of an organization. They will suck all the dicks they need to, to make their money fights happen. Jones is comin off like he was promised "ohh dont worry we can let you cheat and do drugs and still be a champ" but now reality crashin down on Danielle White pinknass
Boku no picogram of bullshit. How much does he took last time, that Years later this shit is still in his system. Wtf Is wrong with jon "Soft bone" jones ? 🤮💵💵💵
Joe Rogan ignores the fact that last year the concentrations of the turinabol metabolite (M3) were 20-80 picograms/mL, now it's 60 picograms/mL. So it is essentially the same concentration as 18 months ago. In the 2017 violation the small concentration was explained to result from consumption of a tainted supplement in the weeks prior to the fight. Now they argue that the positive test results from the same ingestion through a so called "pulsing effect". Given that the metabolite was essentially detected at the same concentration I find this interpretation hard to believe. To me it would be more reasonable that Jones either a) constantly consumes small amounts of Turinabol (or another chlorinated steroid) or that b) he did consume larger amounts of Turinabol at an earlier time, which resulted in larger pools of the long-term metabolite stored in his fat tissue, which are released during the weight-cut leading up to the fight.
@@michael201119 I'm going for B. If it isn't B then Jon is just the dumbest fucking person to ever fight in the octagon. There are absolute idiots that are able to get away with juicing so Jon would be an exceptional idiot to continually get caught after all the bullshit he has caused.
@@P4PKing I agree. However, in the ruling for the 2017 violation they discussed the option that the detected metabolite might have not resulted from turinabol but from another chlorinated steroid (it seems like there is only a very small amount of scientific literature around the topic, so there are many open questions). This option was ruled less likely (or unlikely) to be true. However, if Jones was indeed taking some other chlorinated steroid than turinabol he might have been taking it again, because in his understanding they did not test him positive for what he was actually taking at the time. I guess psychologically it is different to test positive for something you were taking or if you test positive for a different steroid than what you were actually using. Of course this would still be stupid, but I guess if you are doing something over time and you optimize your procedures and get used to them, you might not wanna change it completely.
I usually like to listen to Rogan, but I can´t just sit and listen to this SHIT!!! It makes me furious to hear him trying to sell that this is the same turinabol from 18 months ago... THERE´S NO WAY THIS IS TRUE! I understand that he has a responsibility to the UFC, but he has also the responsibility to all that MILLIONS of fans out listening to his podcast.
Thing is, he works for the ufc. I feel like they are feeding him with this shit and he has to say it. The reason the ufc employed joe rogan is because of the influence he has on the MMA community, they are simply using Joe Rogan to try and make people believe whatever theg want.
Dude this guy pitches you bullshit advertisement on the regular. You think he’s taking or doing half the things he promotes? He’s a salesman for hire, whether it’s the UFC or any other BS. Welcome to business of entertainment.
@@12marinersmaniac Yeah it was a real solid explanation like @miguel Arellano said They obviously discovered new advanced technology within the span of 2 drug tests
Our generation will be laughed at in 30 years all sports don’t allow weed whatsoever and introduce absolutely ridiculous bans for smoking something that is basically “recreational” like alcohol but when you test positive for steroids or performance enhancing drugs you get a slap on the wrist
Unfortunately joe hogan is obligated to protect the ufc's image as well as the fighters who are a part of it, even if it means bullshitting or style bending the truth. If jon jones was in bellator i dont think hed have any problem saying it like it is unless they hung out enough for him to lean towards loyalty over brutal honesty
joe9teeplus1 his contract expired August but signed a one year. I’m not sure if that voided the old and started the year on the date of signing or it just extends from August. At the most he should be free August and the least would be July. I don’t see him leaving though. He said he was done with the UFC and when Dana gave him a visit, he immediately signed the one year.
@UCreEGfHczyRAb_NnciKwDNw We do. We also remember 'Vitor, there is no Jesus', and [what did he (Vitor) say?] 'Some Portuguese bullsh*t... I don't know'. Bisping is one seriously funny mofo. Anyway, I don't know who/what this heavy-breathing, slobbing, mob-wannabe is, but there's NO way I could ever listen to Rogan's podcast with him. The F'ing dude pollutes the airwaves even when he is not saying anything and Joe is talking!
That is correct...but just doing the math...1 milligram of whatever is 1.000.000.000(yup ,that`s 1 Billion) Picograms...by that calculation the adult human has anywhere between 4500 and 5700 ml of blood in the body(we take the maximum), so 5700 * times 60 picograms/ml of blood(is what USADA found) = 342000 picograms of substance in his whole system. That means Jones has about 0.0342% of 1 single milligram of blood of that substance in his body. Now i fucking hate his fake`ness and arrogance...but i don`t think he did something prior to that test that would affect the outcome of this fight. Hope Gus knocks him the fuck out and he will be done and gone for good.
@@optule What they find doesn't equal what he took. Common misconception I keep seeing everyone make. The rest could have flushed out before usada caught him.
@@RollinRocker i agree , im just saying that i dont think it is possible to micro dose that...he had 8 or so more tests before that....i think one was positive for 20 picograms/ml and after that 4 negative tests until the december 9th one...It is such a small amount and i dont think he is that smart to try and outwit USADA with 3 weeks left till fight night. As Bisping said...I refuse to believe he is that arrogant and stupid :))
@@optule Now they're saying he failed a test in August 2018. And they weren't even testing him for 13 months before that. So there's no way to know if he was still microdosing anytime after July. So that's 4 failed tests now and the first one from 18 months ago was about the same amount as all the rest. He's cheating.
Got to give it to Jones, say what you want about him but one thing you can't question is his consistency. And consistency is key. Just like the key he uses to snort coke
"Attitude and mindset of a 15 years old"? WTF are you talking about! So Brock Lesnar and every other prick who cheated have the same attitude? Not sure I get your point.
@Robert MacCaull I don't see how he's a douche my friend, I mean he made a few mistakes like us all right? As for that last so-called performance enhancing drug test that was a farce! It was a micro-spec found which represented absolutely fuck all. NSAC are a bunch of arseholes!
4-5 years ago I started watching UFC because of Jon Jones and Silva.. both turns out to be jacked with roids.. honestly disappointed. Almost impossible to be Jones Fans..and now I want Gus to win and put a full stop to everything.
Meanwhile 17 picograms of ostarine got Tom Lawler 2 years of suspension..where is that pinch of salt in Olympic pool/ tiny tiny tiny amount/ no real affects on performance etc arguments for that
Nick Diaz fails for weed 3 times - 5 year career ending ban. Jon Jones fails for steroids 3 times - You can fight 2 weeks after your last failure. If you want to be fair to Nick, you'd call for his suspension to be immediately overturned or for Jon Jones to be banned for 5 years. "Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night... all day". You were so proud to have Nick talk about your podcast in the ring after a fight... Do you think he will still be proud to have said it?
Honestly to embarrass him, USADA hates when a fighter doesn’t listen to their every whim, let’s not forget USADA fucks up and makes mistakes with other fighters so this is what khabib hinted at when he said there is too much UFC politics.
also why is Jon Jones the only person who keeps testing positive, why are loads of other fighters not popping left and right from tainted supplements with picograms of roids in them?
100 percent. No matter what Jon Jones does, rogan will defend the scumbag. Joe is the hardest D rider in the game. I love him but man I hate when he swings from Jon’s nuts. And fuck novisky too.
That's the problem I quit listening to Joe rogan a while back. He's been a propaganda mouth piece for a long long time. They all are... all news/information outlets are controlled New buzz word "tainted supplements" for propaganda to create controversy and hype the fight all publicity is good publicity! They just make up this shit as they go!
@Calum Fitzpatrick The metabolite, which is what was observed, is out of the system in roughly 50 days. The half life is 16 hours for the steroid itself. He was caught with it over a year ago. Jon is a cheater.
Chantal Beck the fact that you sound so confident in the BS lies you just wrote is nowhere close to true. I’m all against Jon Jones cheating but don’t sit here and make stuff up
If Jon Jones didn’t bring in PPV money, his ass would have been banned from the UFC for life years ago 😂😂 let’s be honest about this. The stars get preferential treatment
Aaron P what's worst about this is it's the fighters that people want to see get the shit kicked out of them that draw the most money, like McGregor and Jones.
Doesn’t matter. Downplaying it like that is ignorance. That “500 millionth of a grain of sand” is just the right amount to make physiologic changes in the body. The size of turinabol receptors is 100 billionth that of a sand, to put things in perspective.
If the sensitivity of the test are that precise he could of ingested some sweat from a sparring or training partner. Which is totally understandable, but there's no way USADA are that precise
Joe Rogan to Dominic Cruz (Podcast #921) on Jon Jones (1:14:08), *Rogan: He's that good he can beat you after he did coke 3 weeks ago* *Cruz: I don't know what to say about that. I'm good enough to win after 3 surgeries. We can test the waters on both. Let's see who does what. I'll do a line of coke next time. Try to jump in there and see how I do. Let's blow his knees out 3 times and THEN we'll see who's better*
They said his Dec 9th test showed between 60-80 picograms of the metabolite in his system. Which is actually more than what he was originally busted for. He's also been tested more than once in the last few months and failed, and each time the amount has gone up. I'm not a scientist, but shouldn't it decrease over time if not taken...? Why is his increasing? Frank Mir just got a 2yr suspension for 20 picograms, and he asked if it could stayed in his system from the last test. They told him absolutely not, and upheld the 2yr suspension. All the sudden Nevada won't license Him Jones, but California will? Why is that? The fight is moved on a week's notice to California. Where theres smoke.. There's fire... I remember when Dana White said "Jon Jones will never headline again" Now the entire venue is being moved because the guy can't test clean.... Why do none of the other top fighters ever test dirty? DC, Dillashaw, Woodley, GSP, even Cyborg! None of them ever test dirty, but Jon Jones does multiple times, and has an excuse everytime. This fucking shit has gotten ridiculous! The UFC has shown how shady they really are.
I believe they can increase. Copied from a doctor friend’s summarized explanation below. “The drug used was tractive and the initial testosterone only hung around for a week...the positive tests were for a long term inactive metabolite. These can be stored in fat and released when fat is metabolized. This is called pulsing.....lipid friendly drug (lipophyllic) can hang around in your fat for 2-3 years.” So if more fat is burned then the higher it will be. If he’s making weight then it makes sense that it will increase because he’s burning all his remaining body fat to make weight.
@@McSwift exactly. He should walk into the ring take the mic off Bruce call him a filthy cheater and walk out and ruin the ufcs night after they desperately tried to save it.
@@endaorourke4637 that's the sad reality mate. N even if Gus wins every single round and the fight goes the distance, Jones will get the nod from the corrupt judges. Its a loose loose situation for the swede unfortunately. His only option is a KO or technical KO. But that cunt Jones has a good chin on him. So, yeah, Gus is pretty much being fucked over by everyone.
Steroids dont give you skill nor does it improve your skills. He didnt win a single fight based off strength. Muscle mass in a tall lanky person doesnt benefit them, all it would do is cause him to burn energy faster. It wouldnt help him call his shot on how he was going to finish DC in the last fight at the Pre fight press confrence...he said you have a major flaw that im gonna take advantage of. DC replied " if you think youre gonna kick me in the head because i dip my head and upper body down at certain times youre mistaken, i already know where my flaws were and theyve been corrected". Granted that wasnt said word for word by DC but pretty damn close.... guess what jones did... he kicked DC in the head when DC dis engaged and dropping his head and upper body down just as jones said he does and got put on his ass and the ref had to step in to prevent DC from taking anymore punishment seeings as he had no clue what planet he was on. Steroids dont improve skill or technique in any way. Steroids dont imrpove your heart. That js why Jon won the last fight with gus 30-28. He womt rounds 2 4 5 and 4 and 5 were due to his heart, skill and technique. Please tell me how steroids improves any of those? It sure didnt help him to not get taken down by someone that doesnt have half the wrestling game as DC does yet Dac couldnt take jones down once let alone twice out of both his fights with Jones yet Gus manages 2 early in the fight... wouldn't steroids increase his strength making it harder to be taken down, added strength from steroids on top of his skill and technique for a guy that became champion withen a couple years after he first started training to fight?
@@caliindoor lmfao rage... get mad because your guy cheats... as far as i'm concerned, only bitches need to cheat to win.. eye pokes, cocaine, PED's = a winning combo hahaha
Uncle joey doesn't buy your shit joe rogan. As hard as it was for him to say the truth in a discreet way and as much as you tryed to repeat your stupid point in different scenarios we all know that this fight is expected to make alot of money for this industry cause they are going balls deep on this one. I mean I live in Iran and the ads for the fights are everywhere specially this time of year. it would cost alot for the UFC to lose ppv because people wouldn't support a cheater who's given several chances to and they've got there main spokesman on the job mr joe hogan just go listen to what DC mark haunt and other dads of this sport have to say about this subject I refuse to believe you are bias in this scenario. Thanks for not selling your soul for these bitches uncle joey keep on slinging dick and most importantly...stay black everybody
At this point Jon Jones could post a video of him injecting steroids into his own ass, and Joe would still have his doubts and say we should wait for all the facts to come out 😆
Poor Jon Jones A tainted supplement made him pop positive 1.5 years apart. A supplant with a 16 HOUR 1/2 LIFE !!! The same poor guy who poped positive for cocaine and hit a pregnant women with his car while drunk, fled the scene and went back NOT to see if she was ok but for his wallet. J.J. could be the best without cheating. Sadly with his self destructive addictions we will never know.
The sick part is how many times DC has been drug tested in the last year. An this known Roid taking cocaine head hasn't been tested till a year later!!! Its fucking ridiculous!!!
@@beowulf1417 You're regurgitating what people paid by the UFC who have a history of deception, including one to expedite Jones' return to the cage in the 1st place. He also has a pattern of behavior nobody makes him accountable for so he doesn't change. You're an enabler and projecting cluelessness. All for the most unlikable athlete ever. Sad
The last time they hired one 3rd party company to test, they totally butchered it. Remember Cung Le? Said his HGH level was higher than normal after the fight later to find out he was innocent. That was Cungs last fight and it kinda tarnished his career
“I’m laughing all the way to the bank in my Bentley”-lyrics from dr Dre. Guaranteed that’s what Dana is thinking, beyond that the sport itself is growing because of it. It’s not real fighting but I bet MMA in general has more money (sponsorships, more gyms etc.) MMA is the most popular sport right now. How did that happen? Magic lamp? Lol.
@@dkjkaden Because they have to move the whole event because vegas won't let Jon fight. They couldn't just come out and say "OK everyone that bought tickets we are moving the show for no reason"
Motion Joe you mean the guy that busted Lance Armstrong against unbelievable forces? You mean USADA that’s incredibly obsessive about any infraction? Right.
Please don’t misinterpret me because I think JJ is completely full of shit but technically it is still possible that Jones is unlucky. Dumbass idea by Joe to get Nowitzky on to “explain it scientifically” he’s the last person you should get to do that he needs to get an impartial independent drug expert on
@@ronaldt1932 He is a keyboard warrior for posting a reasonable opinion? If he is a keyboard warrior for that comment then you are also a keyboard warrior.. What a moronic thing to say.
@David Wayne he has to be indifferent because he has promotions and sponsors he doesn't wanna ruin. He's not always going to say what u think and u should understand that especially from someone like Joe
@G Yeah I'm sure Joe will lose his job because he upset some ignorant people lol get the fuck outta here who cares they all take roids they all use drugs they always have who cares
I'm actually willing to believe that DC never juiced. There are many fighters that haven't. Like, consider Tyson in his prime. Some people have those genetics. Perhaps that's why it's so frustrating for DC IDK.
2 years And Mir also got on trouble for the same thing But now they're letting this cheat fight...ufc is bullshyt when it comes to "cleaning up" the sport Jon should be banned from fighting in the ufc for life He's cheating clearly and I'm willing to bet someone from jackson wink is the supplier I hope Gus goes in there and upper cuts him to oblivion I don't care if fighters take steroids But to take them when they're banned is where I draw the line
Description Who cares what Jeffrey Novitzky has to say ...HE WORKS FOR THE UFC ! He is the Vice President of Athlete Health and Performance for UFC. Tom Lawlor was found with 17 picograms of Ostarine and he got 2 years. Jon jones was found with 60 picograms of Turinabol 2 weeks ago and is fighting next week ...... Work it out !!
@@HydroKulture i agree joe is a company man working for the company one of his best friends is the ceo of . of course ge will side with them . when he first gor popped they said it was trace amounts . so the same trace amounts we were told in 2017 is showing up 18 months later ?? The same pinch of salt ???
Lmao it's like Joey is asking legit questions but joe is trying to cover up because he wants to keep his checks coming and whatever he's getting for this.
Mibolerone aka Cheque Drops (CD) is the drug Jon Cheater Jones was taking, CD has a half life of 4 hours tops and it's very popular with powerliftes (Jones is friends with powerlifters), CD is often cut with Turinabol because they're similar (except CD is more potent). CD is taken in micro dosages, this explain why Jones had such small trace amounts in his system. If you want more info on CD just google (60:14) Brendan explains Turinabol - Jon Jones, you'll find a Reddit link. Funny how Brendan never mentioned this on Joe's podcast, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe told Brendan not to talk about it. The only people here that are in denial are DC haters and Jon Jones dickriders like. Fact remains DC is better than Jon Jones.
@Skip The Soliloquist it's also against the rules to weigh more than 205lbs for the belt but what happened with Cormier and towel gate again? YEAH SIT THE FUCK DOWN.
@Ren·ais·sance man You honestly think its from a line of cocaine that was cut with creatine which had trace amounts of steroids from not cleaning packing machines? You must be a deep thinker.
Yeah, I don’t get it. Fighters like Bisping,, Cormier, Khabib, Ferguson, Gus and so many others never tested positive yet Jones has tested positive how many times?
Rogan is a paid UFC representative, with a lucrative contract and position within the UFC. Did you even have to listen to him to know that he will tow the official UFC party line?! Phrase of the day is: Conflict of interest
if Jones is on t-abol he want get finished. The Russians won every competition with that drug. Its so powerful and out of your system within 12 hours or 1 in a trillion picogram might be left
@@BlackGeniusGod It only takes one good hit and Jones would be out or just survive and the retarded judges could give it to you. If you think it isn't possible than you have never watched Gustaffson fight.Jon Jones is one of the greatest MMA fighters ever but any one can be beat at any time on any given day. Or Jones could get caught(finally) for all the eye poking he does and get dqed. Jones is a juiced up badass but there is always a chance, especially Gustaffson.
Why doesn't the UFC just produce their own supplements? They could even sell them as a premium product since they would have to pass third party testing. Fighters could get ufc supplements for free and advertise them as well. There is a lot of money in supplements and this way you would also eliminate the tainted supplement excuse.
Well there's actually a store that USADA and WADA say is 100% clear and they recommend to athletes no matter the sport. Problem is, everyone cheats, sadly. Like Nate Diaz said, EVERYONE IS ON STEROIDS!
Stop defending Jon Jones. He should of been kicked out of the UFC when he did a hit and run on a pregnant woman. Simply because of the fact that isn't the type of person you want representing your company. It is so sad how the MMA community will defend this guy to the end but say that Anderson Silva's career didn't matter cause he pissed hot. What makes Jon Jones so special?
He's special because he's the most dominant fighter of his era. Daniel Cormier is the pound for pound best at this moment, and Jones beat the shit out of him twice. Go to a church sponsored boxing exhibition if you want pure. On the battlefield, I want the cooked up roided up goat.
This “higher testing standard” argument raises an interesting point. If you can still have picograms cause a positive test years after use, surely this creates a SIMPLE fix to drug bans. Your ban should be until you are clean via test. If picograms show up for several years after use then that’s your ban. Easy fix
Cmon Joe, first it was that his cocaine was laced with steroids, now it's that it hasn't left his body for nearly 2 years.... Turinabol has a half-life of 16 hours ffs
PrivateFearless Where tf did you get that from lol Turinabol at minimum stays in your body from 12-18 months which is why Jones popped again. Ya’ll gotta stop the lies
yes. bad luck if you took one of those "magic picogram rebounding" performance enhancers. if you took one of those magic "happen to be deadly" substances, you'd have the bad luck of being dead. people think somebody else should be wearing jones' bad luck
No, the thing is! It can’t be in him. And he f’d up multiple times. That’s where it started. It’s his OWN mistake. That it’s still in him is because HE once started doing shit. Period.
So what about justice for Frank Mir who had similar circumstances? Also, what about the policy of strict liability...this shows inconsistency in how its applied to all fighters...is there going to be recompense for those people who fell victim previously to these types of circumstances?
Paladin2906 this guy is a millionaire. Why doesn’t he have a trainer in charge of food and supplements. He has no excuse. Personally I think he is a cheat. I just hope he gets his ass handed to him.
The issue I have with the explanation are the test numbers released. Over 2 years ago they detected 17 picograms of osterene in Tom Lawlers failed test. Jones last fail, I believe was between 20 and 80 picograms. Jones new test is 60. - Now, osterene may be easier to detect so we can scratch that. - Also, if we notice Jones's first test is expressed as a range (20-80) and the second was not (60), it does indicate more sophisticated testing. *BUT the problem is...* if we've had more sophisticated tests for say 6 months now, how is it that we haven't found even smaller traces in Jones *AND others* prior to this. 60 is a pretty big number. There were NO other tests with 10 or 20? Do terinabal picograms clump together? If terinabal does pulse as they say, how _volatile_ are the waves typically in the previous known cases? Does pulse behaviour vary significantly by person and/or within an athlete? Until I get some answers on those questions, I'll still think Jones is a cheat. _(If you watch the latest 232 press conference, Jones is the type of guy that will say to the audience, "Guys, be respectful. We're all men here." and then, 10 minutes later, "Bad journalism, bad journalism, bad journalism, bad journalism...)_
So when he popped in 2017 it was “a pinch of salt in an Olympic sized swimming pool” but 18 months later a drug that has a very short half life was still in his system???? Yeah makes sense....
Curtis Caudle do u know for sure it has a very short half life? I’m legitimately asking. I don’t know shit about the story other than the hilarity of it happening again.
Seriously. Im the dude who used to defend him saying he's young and just making the same mistakes anyone his age would make. Now I'm like Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit, PLUS the fact that he didn't take that "Vada" test a few days ago. I don't care who you are If someone accuses you of a crime that you know you didn't do and there is an option for you to clear ur name, You JUMP on it , The fact that he refused says everything.
Yeah.. i love my boi too, but just How much does he took last time, that Years later this shit is still in his system.. Bruuh. And they saying that this "turinabol shit" lives up to 16 hours.. 🙈
This is facts bro . I really just realized I don’t ride for him the same anymore . If he gets Caught caught again than the only thing I can see is a Foreman type of comeback at 40
For sure. And honestly, I can't help but think the UFC and USADA are are as corrupted as it appears at first glance. There would have to be a serious streak of unique and very bad luck for this story to play out how it has and he have been clean the entire time.
@Sam The Sham Are you just spamming nonsense on every top comment? Joe just doesn't want to say someone is guilty until he has all the facts straight and there is no room for error. Clearly, you wouldn't be able to understand that.
@debbie downer. I'm thinking if a homeless person dug my grandma up and shat on her , I would not be offended . maybe if they shat on me offence would be forthcoming . but I'm thinking the smell of my dead grandma would be way more offensive , than the act of shitting on her . the smell of the turd might even be overpowered . who knows ??
They movin the fight to the same comission that allowed a 50 year old Liddell to step in the octagon lol...
Bro ikr shits so fucked
hahaha that's funny bro...i'm not sure if it's a fair point but it's funny nonetheless after watching chucks "performance"
the fight game is bizzare and always will be lol you only get this type of shit here.
Swarthy One it's they're not their. And if they suspended him originally then why are they now letting him fight for essentially the same offense?
UFC is just a money whore of an organization. They will suck all the dicks they need to, to make their money fights happen. Jones is comin off like he was promised "ohh dont worry we can let you cheat and do drugs and still be a champ" but now reality crashin down on Danielle White pinknass
Jon "a grain of sand in the Sahara desert" Jones
Hahahaha
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Jon “like a pinch of salt in an Olympic pool” Jones
Yeoj the great macho man randy savage
Boku no picogram of bullshit. How much does he took last time, that Years later this shit is still in his system. Wtf Is wrong with jon "Soft bone" jones ? 🤮💵💵💵
Joe Rogan ignores the fact that last year the concentrations of the turinabol metabolite (M3) were 20-80 picograms/mL, now it's 60 picograms/mL. So it is essentially the same concentration as 18 months ago.
In the 2017 violation the small concentration was explained to result from consumption of a tainted supplement in the weeks prior to the fight. Now they argue that the positive test results from the same ingestion through a so called "pulsing effect". Given that the metabolite was essentially detected at the same concentration I find this interpretation hard to believe. To me it would be more reasonable that Jones either a) constantly consumes small amounts of Turinabol (or another chlorinated steroid) or that b) he did consume larger amounts of Turinabol at an earlier time, which resulted in larger pools of the long-term metabolite stored in his fat tissue, which are released during the weight-cut leading up to the fight.
60?? I thought it was 1 picogram
@@Kantar53 it's 60 picogram/mL per the official USADA release (see their tweet from yesterday afternoon).
michael oh okay! Cool thanksz
@@michael201119 I'm going for B. If it isn't B then Jon is just the dumbest fucking person to ever fight in the octagon. There are absolute idiots that are able to get away with juicing so Jon would be an exceptional idiot to continually get caught after all the bullshit he has caused.
@@P4PKing I agree. However, in the ruling for the 2017 violation they discussed the option that the detected metabolite might have not resulted from turinabol but from another chlorinated steroid (it seems like there is only a very small amount of scientific literature around the topic, so there are many open questions). This option was ruled less likely (or unlikely) to be true. However, if Jones was indeed taking some other chlorinated steroid than turinabol he might have been taking it again, because in his understanding they did not test him positive for what he was actually taking at the time. I guess psychologically it is different to test positive for something you were taking or if you test positive for a different steroid than what you were actually using. Of course this would still be stupid, but I guess if you are doing something over time and you optimize your procedures and get used to them, you might not wanna change it completely.
Joe "I'm not a scientist unless it protects Jon Jones" Rogan
Verbal Punching Bag ✅
Exxxactly
This man is breathing heavier than a mf. Sounds like the joe rogan podcast with Darth Vader 😂
If they know it's so insignificant and residual, why bother reporting it at all?
ToeCutter The UFC is probably scared to get sued like with Brock in the Mark Hunt fight.
Because if they kept it a secret and it eventually got out it would have ended up being a bigger shit stain on the UFC than it is now.
I usually like to listen to Rogan, but I can´t just sit and listen to this SHIT!!! It makes me furious to hear him trying to sell that this is the same turinabol from 18 months ago... THERE´S NO WAY THIS IS TRUE! I understand that he has a responsibility to the UFC, but he has also the responsibility to all that MILLIONS of fans out listening to his podcast.
Yeah I'd have to research how long it actually stays in your body but that long at almost the same level is complete bs.
I feel the same about joe
When it comes to UFC he's always been biased
Thing is, he works for the ufc. I feel like they are feeding him with this shit and he has to say it. The reason the ufc employed joe rogan is because of the influence he has on the MMA community, they are simply using Joe Rogan to try and make people believe whatever theg want.
Dude this guy pitches you bullshit advertisement on the regular. You think he’s taking or doing half the things he promotes? He’s a salesman for hire, whether it’s the UFC or any other BS. Welcome to business of entertainment.
Why didnt he test positive in his other tests before december 9th if its remaining from 2017
Joe was dancing around Diaz asking that same thing
@@Turk_2023 he actually gave a pretty solid explanation. Not saying it's true but you guys obviously didn't pay attention
Joe explained that. If testing methods have improved recently, tiny traces of a drug would be detected in the latest test but not in the earlier ones.
Apparentley they discovered new advanced technology between his second last and his last test
@@12marinersmaniac Yeah it was a real solid explanation like @miguel Arellano said
They obviously discovered new advanced technology within the span of 2 drug tests
They banned nick for 5 years for somoking weed.......
And letting Jon fight?
Is that how USADA Works?
Money talks, lose that fight, lose another UFC pay per view lol
Truth!!!!!
Our generation will be laughed at in 30 years all sports don’t allow weed whatsoever and introduce absolutely ridiculous bans for smoking something that is basically “recreational” like alcohol but when you test positive for steroids or performance enhancing drugs you get a slap on the wrist
They'd even banned wanderlei for not testing.
That wasn't USADA That was the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
Joe “let me slam Canelo, but make excuses for Jones” Rogan
Kevin Arzola it’s actually hard to watch
Unfortunately joe hogan is obligated to protect the ufc's image as well as the fighters who are a part of it, even if it means bullshitting or style bending the truth. If jon jones was in bellator i dont think hed have any problem saying it like it is unless they hung out enough for him to lean towards loyalty over brutal honesty
when is his contract up???
This comment is great.
joe9teeplus1 his contract expired August but signed a one year. I’m not sure if that voided the old and started the year on the date of signing or it just extends from August. At the most he should be free August and the least would be July.
I don’t see him leaving though. He said he was done with the UFC and when Dana gave him a visit, he immediately signed the one year.
Alright Joey we get it, you’re breathing
Lmmfao
ryan kraft ha!
😂
Lulz
Yooooooooooooo!!!!
Y'all remember when Bisping asked Joe 'How's that fence you're sitting on'?
💯💯💯💯
FACT
Bisping was on point with that one.
@UCreEGfHczyRAb_NnciKwDNw We do. We also remember 'Vitor, there is no Jesus', and [what did he (Vitor) say?] 'Some Portuguese bullsh*t... I don't know'. Bisping is one seriously funny mofo.
Anyway, I don't know who/what this heavy-breathing, slobbing, mob-wannabe is, but there's NO way I could ever listen to Rogan's podcast with him. The F'ing dude pollutes the airwaves even when he is not saying anything and Joe is talking!
I wanted to like this comment twice
Joey Diaz sounds like he swallowed Darth Vader.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And shit out Ron Perlman.
Joe blew his load down his throat.
tenshunn had me dying 😂😂
Xeno's half-life! It just never leaves!
60 PICOGRAMS PER MILLILITER.... NOT JUST 60 PICOGRAMS
Woah...I didn't even think about that.
That is correct...but just doing the math...1 milligram of whatever is 1.000.000.000(yup ,that`s 1 Billion) Picograms...by that calculation the adult human has anywhere between 4500 and 5700 ml of blood in the body(we take the maximum), so 5700 * times 60 picograms/ml of blood(is what USADA found) = 342000 picograms of substance in his whole system.
That means Jones has about 0.0342% of 1 single milligram of blood of that substance in his body. Now i fucking hate his fake`ness and arrogance...but i don`t think he did something prior to that test that would affect the outcome of this fight.
Hope Gus knocks him the fuck out and he will be done and gone for good.
@@optule What they find doesn't equal what he took. Common misconception I keep seeing everyone make. The rest could have flushed out before usada caught him.
@@RollinRocker i agree , im just saying that i dont think it is possible to micro dose that...he had 8 or so more tests before that....i think one was positive for 20 picograms/ml and after that 4 negative tests until the december 9th one...It is such a small amount and i dont think he is that smart to try and outwit USADA with 3 weeks left till fight night. As Bisping said...I refuse to believe he is that arrogant and stupid :))
@@optule Now they're saying he failed a test in August 2018. And they weren't even testing him for 13 months before that. So there's no way to know if he was still microdosing anytime after July. So that's 4 failed tests now and the first one from 18 months ago was about the same amount as all the rest. He's cheating.
Joe ain't fooling Joey on this one
Mate he needs to interview this guy if he wins.
Joey Diaz has no fucking clue what hes talking about M8
If ur micro dosing the amount of metabolites woild be a factor of 10^6 more....
Jon "Stucked in Cormier head" Jones
Can’t bullshit a bullshitter! No way shit stays in your system for a whole year. There’s a reason they’re moving the fight to LA.
Jeff is bald, dana white is bald, Joe is bald and Jon Jones is bald coincidence idk look into it
Lmao
It’s only a trace amount of hair too ! Illuminati confirmed
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Tony Ferguson is BALDing
Haha
Got to give it to Jones, say what you want about him but one thing you can't question is his consistency. And consistency is key. Just like the key he uses to snort coke
Alwaysnumberr 1 coke is not a performance enhancer, as matter of fact it dehydrates you.
Wooooosh... just flew over your head eh captain?
@@outerbliss5983 That went waaay over your head.
@@salvadorvidrio6031 Just like the hookers over Jones's head
@@outerbliss5983 rocket ship levels of seperation from your head top
Rogan has blinders on every single time Jones cheats. Jones is a great fighter but has the attitude and mindset of a 15 year old. He's a cheater.
"Attitude and mindset of a 15 years old"? WTF are you talking about! So Brock Lesnar and every other prick who cheated have the same attitude? Not sure I get your point.
Dont Lie Tell The Truth brock was literally all steroids
@Robert MacCaull I don't see how he's a douche my friend, I mean he made a few mistakes like us all right? As for that last so-called performance enhancing drug test that was a farce! It was a micro-spec found which represented absolutely fuck all. NSAC are a bunch of arseholes!
@@9crv May be.
Joseph B its not blinders. Joe is outright lying and bullshitting.
20~80picogram July 2017
60picogram Dec 2018
17 months and Level didn't decreased at all.
Edit
60~100picogram Dec 2018(from jeff novitzky himself)
Kanwaljot Singh aka Microdosing
Kanwaljot Singh not to mention he had 3 negative tests in the fall/late summer
4-5 years ago I started watching UFC because of Jon Jones and Silva.. both turns out to be jacked with roids.. honestly disappointed. Almost impossible to be Jones Fans..and now I want Gus to win and put a full stop to everything.
Kanwaljot Singh are you a scientist? No? Just watch the fights then.
Meanwhile 17 picograms of ostarine got Tom Lawler 2 years of suspension..where is that pinch of salt in Olympic pool/ tiny tiny tiny amount/ no real affects on performance etc arguments for that
Jones has almost failed as many tests as Brendan Schaub in grade school.
That's just mean
😂😂😂😂
Google search Cheque Drops, even Brendan cover the drug Jones was actually taking,
😂😂😂
Schaub is a millionaire though so grades aren’t everything
Nick Diaz fails for weed 3 times - 5 year career ending ban.
Jon Jones fails for steroids 3 times - You can fight 2 weeks after your last failure.
If you want to be fair to Nick, you'd call for his suspension to be immediately overturned or for Jon Jones to be banned for 5 years.
"Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night... all day".
You were so proud to have Nick talk about your podcast in the ring after a fight... Do you think he will still be proud to have said it?
Jaymo you Forgot Brock Lesnar never got shit and he had a shit ton
As much as i dislike both the Diaz brothers i agree.
Yes but weed is more bad because... oh fuck I m so high ( like joe here) to find a credible argument
😅
I totally hear what your saying. Weed shouldn't be in an issue. Dana White picking on Diaz because he doesn't like him
Best comment I've seen on this
Jon Jones could literally take steroids in front of Joe, and Joe would still say “I don’t believe he was taking steroids.”
lolol jones is the goat
its just coke bruh cut with creatine
As much as I love rogan he has blinkers on when it comes to jones
Jon Jones could literally _______ in front of Joe, and Joe would literally ______ his ______
That's cuz Rogan likes him too much.
Thumbs up if you're sick of hearing the excuses.
If it is not an issue then why do they bother testing for such low quantities and why publish it?
Michael Brady good point
Honestly to embarrass him, USADA hates when a fighter doesn’t listen to their every whim, let’s not forget USADA fucks up and makes mistakes with other fighters so this is what khabib hinted at when he said there is too much UFC politics.
Psychedelic Savage Good point
also why is Jon Jones the only person who keeps testing positive, why are loads of other fighters not popping left and right from tainted supplements with picograms of roids in them?
@@heteroerectus and why does he always test positive around fight time he'll seem to happen every fight week this is the third time
I love joe Rogan, but he isn’t calling BS on this cause he works for the UFC. Cause this is straight garbage. It’s ridiculous.
Can't agree with you more. Just another example of the UFC protecting their "golden boys"
100 percent. No matter what Jon Jones does, rogan will defend the scumbag. Joe is the hardest D rider in the game. I love him but man I hate when he swings from Jon’s nuts. And fuck novisky too.
That's the problem I quit listening to Joe rogan a while back. He's been a propaganda mouth piece for a long long time. They all are... all news/information outlets are controlled
New buzz word "tainted supplements" for propaganda to create controversy and hype the fight all publicity is good publicity! They just make up this shit as they go!
@Calum Fitzpatrick The metabolite, which is what was observed, is out of the system in roughly 50 days. The half life is 16 hours for the steroid itself.
He was caught with it over a year ago.
Jon is a cheater.
Chantal Beck the fact that you sound so confident in the BS lies you just wrote is nowhere close to true. I’m all against Jon Jones cheating but don’t sit here and make stuff up
If Jon Jones didn’t bring in PPV money, his ass would have been banned from the UFC for life years ago 😂😂 let’s be honest about this. The stars get preferential treatment
Just like mr mc gregor, differents things anyway
&Conor doesn't?
Rhonda too lol
Truth
Aaron P what's worst about this is it's the fighters that people want to see get the shit kicked out of them that draw the most money, like McGregor and Jones.
Jon is clean, he just naturally produces turinabol
😂😂😂😂 Of course he does.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and shits coke
Jon "Turanibones" Jones
Lol
He coughs ( I mean he meths*).
When I die, I want Jon Jones to lower me down into my grave just so he can let me down 1 last time.
Justby Time 😪🤦🏻♂️
Justby Time come up with your own material...that line has already been used scumbag
Robert Yglesias saw this about 7 times already
He’s gonna let you down a lot more times before that dont you worry
Good one 😔
“500 millionth of a grain of sand”
Lmao Stop it Joe. Just stop....
Luck The Gambino it says gram of salt
50"
Snickers ZN @1:23
A atom of sand lmfao
Doesn’t matter. Downplaying it like that is ignorance. That “500 millionth of a grain of sand” is just the right amount to make physiologic changes in the body. The size of turinabol receptors is 100 billionth that of a sand, to put things in perspective.
Jon "Air was tainted with steroids" Bones.
😂🤣
Hahah
If the sensitivity of the test are that precise he could of ingested some sweat from a sparring or training partner. Which is totally understandable, but there's no way USADA are that precise
Joe Rogan to Dominic Cruz (Podcast #921) on Jon Jones (1:14:08),
*Rogan: He's that good he can beat you after he did coke 3 weeks ago*
*Cruz: I don't know what to say about that. I'm good enough to win after 3 surgeries. We can test the waters on both. Let's see who does what. I'll do a line of coke next time. Try to jump in there and see how I do. Let's blow his knees out 3 times and THEN we'll see who's better*
Coke gives you a huge advantage too. It sharpens your reflexes. He was using coke to get an advantage.
lmao Cruz don't mince his words.
@@GuyFromTheSouth he tested for positive for cocaine in out of competition test. he wasn't fighting coked up wtf lol
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@@GuyFromTheSouth have you ever done coke it gives you energy but it does not enhance shit it actually hurts you
Jones can't pass a drug test but Cyborg can WTF?
hahaha
Cyborg passes her test because she is steroids
Lol
Nobody dares tell her she failed at something
Are you stupid? Cyborgs not on steroids lol she is one of the most tested and she doesn't hide under the octagon for 9 hours lol
They said his Dec 9th test showed between 60-80 picograms of the metabolite in his system. Which is actually more than what he was originally busted for.
He's also been tested more than once in the last few months and failed, and each time the amount has gone up. I'm not a scientist, but shouldn't it decrease over time if not taken...? Why is his increasing?
Frank Mir just got a 2yr suspension for 20 picograms, and he asked if it could stayed in his system from the last test. They told him absolutely not, and upheld the 2yr suspension.
All the sudden Nevada won't license Him Jones, but California will? Why is that?
The fight is moved on a week's notice to California.
Where theres smoke.. There's fire...
I remember when Dana White said "Jon Jones will never headline again" Now the entire venue is being moved because the guy can't test clean....
Why do none of the other top fighters ever test dirty?
DC, Dillashaw, Woodley, GSP, even Cyborg! None of them ever test dirty, but Jon Jones does multiple times, and has an excuse everytime. This fucking shit has gotten ridiculous! The UFC has shown how shady they really are.
Joe is a good comedian but this takes the whole cake. All of the parrots are repeating the same BS.
Cyborg has tested dirty plenty times before
Nothin but cry baby bitches that cant accept the facts for the FACTS... 1 not 60... ONE PICOGRAM... idiots.
I believe they can increase. Copied from a doctor friend’s summarized explanation below.
“The drug used was tractive and the initial testosterone only hung around for a week...the positive tests were for a long term inactive metabolite. These can be stored in fat and released when fat is metabolized. This is called pulsing.....lipid friendly drug (lipophyllic) can hang around in your fat for 2-3 years.”
So if more fat is burned then the higher it will be. If he’s making weight then it makes sense that it will increase because he’s burning all his remaining body fat to make weight.
@@timmygunz7103 Lol no. She tested positive once.. years ago. Try and keep up, bud 😂
Too many excuse for the guy. 3 times he's pissed hot. Hope Gus smashes him
JME 93 don’t worry I will lol
Sadly a juiced up Jones is almost unbeatable. If anyone can do it it's Gus though.
After popping and moving the fight to LA, Gus should refuse to fight him. Shady shit all around.
@@McSwift exactly. He should walk into the ring take the mic off Bruce call him a filthy cheater and walk out and ruin the ufcs night after they desperately tried to save it.
@@endaorourke4637 that's the sad reality mate. N even if Gus wins every single round and the fight goes the distance, Jones will get the nod from the corrupt judges. Its a loose loose situation for the swede unfortunately. His only option is a KO or technical KO. But that cunt Jones has a good chin on him. So, yeah, Gus is pretty much being fucked over by everyone.
Jon "just let me take 1/50 millionth of a gram hit" Jones
Should be number one comment
Just 1 trillionth of a steroid is okay
😂😂😂😂😂
It doesn't matter. How come other fighters don't have it at all. He's just a black cheater.
BLACK TERRORIST MANDELA why you gotta make this about race? Chill out dude
JON JONES DOES NOT DESERVE TO FIGHT AGAIN. PERIOD
He's a bastard he can't any fight without doing steroids. He's a cheating bitch
Steroids dont give you skill nor does it improve your skills. He didnt win a single fight based off strength. Muscle mass in a tall lanky person doesnt benefit them, all it would do is cause him to burn energy faster. It wouldnt help him call his shot on how he was going to finish DC in the last fight at the Pre fight press confrence...he said you have a major flaw that im gonna take advantage of. DC replied " if you think youre gonna kick me in the head because i dip my head and upper body down at certain times youre mistaken, i already know where my flaws were and theyve been corrected". Granted that wasnt said word for word by DC but pretty damn close.... guess what jones did... he kicked DC in the head when DC dis engaged and dropping his head and upper body down just as jones said he does and got put on his ass and the ref had to step in to prevent DC from taking anymore punishment seeings as he had no clue what planet he was on. Steroids dont improve skill or technique in any way. Steroids dont imrpove your heart. That js why Jon won the last fight with gus 30-28. He womt rounds 2 4 5 and 4 and 5 were due to his heart, skill and technique. Please tell me how steroids improves any of those? It sure didnt help him to not get taken down by someone that doesnt have half the wrestling game as DC does yet Dac couldnt take jones down once let alone twice out of both his fights with Jones yet Gus manages 2 early in the fight... wouldn't steroids increase his strength making it harder to be taken down, added strength from steroids on top of his skill and technique for a guy that became champion withen a couple years after he first started training to fight?
@@MidgetPunter Blah. Blah. Blah.
If it didnt help, no one would use them. If they didnt give an inherent advantage, the UFC would allow them.
Shut up.
fuck what you say... or think... he's gonna continue to fight and live the life you only dream of... bitch.
@@caliindoor lmfao rage... get mad because your guy cheats... as far as i'm concerned, only bitches need to cheat to win.. eye pokes, cocaine, PED's = a winning combo hahaha
and he declined the Wada testing, micro dosing at its finest, 4 failed tests now...
Uncle joey doesn't buy your shit joe rogan. As hard as it was for him to say the truth in a discreet way and as much as you tryed to repeat your stupid point in different scenarios we all know that this fight is expected to make alot of money for this industry cause they are going balls deep on this one. I mean I live in Iran and the ads for the fights are everywhere specially this time of year. it would cost alot for the UFC to lose ppv because people wouldn't support a cheater who's given several chances to and they've got there main spokesman on the job mr joe hogan just go listen to what DC mark haunt and other dads of this sport have to say about this subject I refuse to believe you are bias in this scenario. Thanks for not selling your soul for these bitches uncle joey keep on slinging dick and most importantly...stay black everybody
He just volunteered for the WADA testing. Foot in mouth.
He declined VADA not WADA
199X Man a deal has been made 😉💰
Jon “grain of sand in the Atlantic Ocean “ Jones
riccikinny2k10 👍
Olympic sized pool is what he said, but I can see him exaggerating it like that haha
At this point Jon Jones could post a video of him injecting steroids into his own ass, and Joe would still have his doubts and say we should wait for all the facts to come out 😆
And oddly enough folk would believe it,Joe Rogan is an actor afterall.
Mark Desmond very well said mark
Jones fans "It was just B vitamins, must have been tainted with cocaine laced creatine"
Mark Desmond 😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️🙌🏼👌🏼
He's a company man first. I wish he'd part ways with ufc so he could really tell the truth.
Poor Jon Jones
A tainted supplement made him pop positive 1.5 years apart. A supplant with a 16 HOUR 1/2 LIFE !!!
The same poor guy who poped positive for cocaine and hit a pregnant women with his car while drunk, fled the scene and went back NOT to see if she was ok but for his wallet.
J.J. could be the best without cheating. Sadly with his self destructive addictions we will never know.
He went back for his weed not his wallet bro
@@suckmehoff5108 Doesn't make it any better
@@juliopiotti8807 Fr though
Why isnt anyone else testing positive? Just answer me that
Especially cyborg
@@willgarner5748 she has before
Cyborgs a man for real...
Evan Dildy exactly
So ur telling me he ate 1 pikometer of turinabol?
Rogan doing damage control
Jason THE MONSTER Blaha not bald
I hope DC is on commentary for the fight. That would be interesting.
Having DC commentate on his fight would be INSANE! lol! UFC...come on...give us what we want!
DC would be a class act like the true champion he is. (And maybe a little shade lol).
Well Joe said he heard about this whole thing from DC so maybe that means it's gonna be those 2 and Anik. Either that or Joe, Anik and Cruz
The sick part is how many times DC has been drug tested in the last year. An this known Roid taking cocaine head hasn't been tested till a year later!!! Its fucking ridiculous!!!
D.C. Is the true champion and John roids Jones knows it. Maybe he should get a blood transfusion to clean up. No brain. Ufc should be embarrassed too.
Strange these same rules didn't apply to Frank Mir or Tom Lawler
The problem is that the number should be ZERO.
he did have it in his system last year. And its possible it could still be there especially as he starts to cut weight and lose fat.
@@SyringeSem you are so fucking wrong..its a grain or rice it woukd be out of your system within weeks..get Jones nuts off your tongue
@@buffalophil3630 that's not how that stuff works...at all #clueless
@@SyringeSem Cutting weight and losing fat speeds up the process....
@@beowulf1417 You're regurgitating what people paid by the UFC who have a history of deception, including one to expedite Jones' return to the cage in the 1st place. He also has a pattern of behavior nobody makes him accountable for so he doesn't change. You're an enabler and projecting cluelessness. All for the most unlikable athlete ever. Sad
Block Lestrogen vs Jon "pinch of salt" Jones make it happen Dana "tomato paste" White
lmao your name makes your comment even better
Put Rick Flair in there. He can really kick the other guy in the dick.
Pinch 4 Pinch best fighter
@@chilibowl7273 Yeah, Rick Flair was the BEST.
Well delivered sir! 😄
Joe, please do NOT have Jeff Novitzky on. We need to hear from an, unbiased, 3rd party expert. Not someone who has a vested interest in the matter.
Agreed
Ur asking the wrong guy....
He works for the UFC no way he’s gonna do that lol
Victor conte
The last time they hired one 3rd party company to test, they totally butchered it. Remember Cung Le? Said his HGH level was higher than normal after the fight later to find out he was innocent. That was Cungs last fight and it kinda tarnished his career
Ufc is dead. Dana just takes the money fights. Not the fighters fights. No organization if you can't please both sides.
UFC isn't dead, it just lost its integrity.
Just waiting for One Championship to sweep ufc. I’m tired of all this McDonald shit.
If that starts to happen and people start disliking, another company of mma would get on top.
“I’m laughing all the way to the bank in my Bentley”-lyrics from dr Dre.
Guaranteed that’s what Dana is thinking, beyond that the sport itself is growing because of it. It’s not real fighting but I bet MMA in general has more money (sponsorships, more gyms etc.) MMA is the most popular sport right now. How did that happen? Magic lamp? Lol.
Joe defending Jon again I see 😂
Peter Griffin Its fucking unreal bro hahaha
I was waiting on that.
😜😜😜
Of course. He is a paid UFC employee and is towing the line.
Oh Jeff Novitzky is going to clear things up, the guy who works for the UFC😉
If he "works" for the ufc then went would they even let it out? Why even let the public know? Why not just cover it up
@@dkjkaden Because they have to move the whole event because vegas won't let Jon fight. They couldn't just come out and say "OK everyone that bought tickets we are moving the show for no reason"
Motion Joe talking to the commentator for the UFC sounds like bollox to me
Motion Joe you mean the guy that busted Lance Armstrong against unbelievable forces? You mean USADA that’s incredibly obsessive about any infraction? Right.
Jeff Novitsky is now A UFC company man. He will read the script and Joe Rogan will agree. Both on UFC payroll
If Jon Jones is a clean fighter Oj Simpson isnt a murderer
What makes you think O.J is guilty.
Well there we have it
Hate to break it to you everyone is on steroids.
@It is what it is Well this guy is black so your point is invalid.
Everybody is not on steroids. There have been fighters who fought for years and years without failing a drug test let alone 3.
And he just failed his VADA test for UFC 232. Jon Jones is nothing, a total joke.
Joe "Even though he's tested positive 3 times I still think he's innocent" Rogan
AO Productions he’s full of shit
AO Productions if he said any different, he wouldn’t have his kush job sitting cage side.
Not innocent, just plausibly the same drug he was already punished for. Plausibly.
He’s a joke.
Please don’t misinterpret me because I think JJ is completely full of shit but technically it is still possible that Jones is unlucky. Dumbass idea by Joe to get Nowitzky on to “explain it scientifically” he’s the last person you should get to do that he needs to get an impartial independent drug expert on
Just because someone is an expert doesn't mean they're not corrupt.
So you're the expert Mr. Keyboard warrior?
@@ronaldt1932 he may not be an expert but he is not gullible like you, that's for sure.
@@ronaldt1932 He is a keyboard warrior for posting a reasonable opinion? If he is a keyboard warrior for that comment then you are also a keyboard warrior.. What a moronic thing to say.
@@ronaldt1932 "Just send me location" - Usada to Coke
@@VagueMemory An opinion is only reasonable only after analyzing all the data. This opinion is nothing but an emotional one.
Rogan in full shill mode.
gay.
@David Wayne he has to be indifferent because he has promotions and sponsors he doesn't wanna ruin. He's not always going to say what u think and u should understand that especially from someone like Joe
@G
Yeah I'm sure Joe will lose his job because he upset some ignorant people lol get the fuck outta here who cares they all take roids they all use drugs they always have who cares
Joe "I'm not a scientist" Rogan XD
I wonder why DC has fought for 20 years and been tested the entire time and never popped....EVER.
And beaten every person EXCEPT the one testing positive for banned substances.
@Guilty till Proven innocent You have no idea whether that's true or not so don't act like you do haha, and you're username checks out
Your on to something, that is in fact the reality Cormier never tested positive
I'm actually willing to believe that DC never juiced. There are many fighters that haven't. Like, consider Tyson in his prime. Some people have those genetics. Perhaps that's why it's so frustrating for DC IDK.
@TheNorthFace715 Yeah for sure, his body would not look like it does now.
The way Joe Rogan's defending Jones for the 1000th time is so silly at this moment
just two pinches of salt
He's the guy that said Rhonda Rousey cold beat half the male bantamweights in the UFC. Saying silly shit is what the guy does.
*"NUFF SAID"*
@@seanbaugh3239 He was originally a comedian.
Maybe u being a know it all & biased is being silly
@@seanbaugh3239 This is the guy who said Chimpanzees have officially entered the stone age lol
15:03 If there was ring dust, Jon Jones snorted it.
Lmao dead
W. I. N.
The spin doctors and Jones apologist are out in full force
And Nick Diaz had to stop fighting for Marijuana... Something that should be decreasing your performance.
The thing about weed is that they may view it as an enhancer because it numbs the pain
@@fmflyy for me it enhances pain in a bad way.
@@2canines that does not sound fun lmao
2canines yeah being high while bleeding doesn’t sound like it would help with real pin
With some people it also enhances their creativity a lot of bjj guys roll better while high
so he test clean 3 times then on the test before the fight he test dirty?How much did Tom Lawler get suspended for 17 picograms? Jones had 60
truth93257 Who da fook is Tom Lawler?
2 yrs xD
even the golden snitch says he's clean it's in his system from before and he explains why.
@@SWRDFSH3850 Do you watch mma?
2 years
And Mir also got on trouble for the same thing
But now they're letting this cheat fight...ufc is bullshyt when it comes to "cleaning up" the sport
Jon should be banned from fighting in the ufc for life
He's cheating clearly and I'm willing to bet someone from jackson wink is the supplier
I hope Gus goes in there and upper cuts him to oblivion
I don't care if fighters take steroids
But to take them when they're banned is where I draw the line
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Who cares what Jeffrey Novitzky has to say ...HE WORKS FOR THE UFC !
He is the Vice President of Athlete Health and Performance for UFC.
Tom Lawlor was found with 17 picograms of Ostarine and he got 2 years.
Jon jones was found with 60 picograms of Turinabol 2 weeks ago
and is fighting next week ...... Work it out !!
And Joe is losing credibility with every word he speaks . I really liked Joe but his just another liar it would seem
One makes ufc money the other doesn’t it’s not that hard to figure out
The fact that Jones just recently declined additional recommended testing also adds fuel to the fire.
@@HydroKulture i agree joe is a company man working for the company one of his best friends is the ceo of . of course ge will side with them . when he first gor popped they said it was trace amounts . so the same trace amounts we were told in 2017 is showing up 18 months later ?? The same pinch of salt ???
he dosnt work for the UFC dummy. Its a private entity that is signed with UFC to do testing.
Lmao it's like Joey is asking legit questions but joe is trying to cover up because he wants to keep his checks coming and whatever he's getting for this.
I don't think he's getting anything, I think he's just blind
“Jon Jones drug test reveals a typical finding”
-USADA
USADA is a fucking joke. I hope Gus totally fucks this jucing junkie up for us and the whole world!!!
A M lol it wasn’t positive you fucking tool
The accurate headline
Mibolerone aka Cheque Drops (CD) is the drug Jon Cheater Jones was taking, CD has a half life of 4 hours tops and it's very popular with powerliftes (Jones is friends with powerlifters), CD is often cut with Turinabol because they're similar (except CD is more potent). CD is taken in micro dosages, this explain why Jones had such small trace amounts in his system. If you want more info on CD just google (60:14) Brendan explains Turinabol - Jon Jones, you'll find a Reddit link. Funny how Brendan never mentioned this on Joe's podcast, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe told Brendan not to talk about it.
The only people here that are in denial are DC haters and Jon Jones dickriders like. Fact remains DC is better than Jon Jones.
Wasnt it "atypical" not "a typical?" As in atypical from a standard test. Not typical for JJ.
He failed because hes on steroids. plain and simple.
Ren·ais·sance man
He isn't wrong though.
nah there's new techniques for testing bra, its not his fault.
@Skip The Soliloquist it's also against the rules to weigh more than 205lbs for the belt but what happened with Cormier and towel gate again? YEAH SIT THE FUCK DOWN.
@Ren·ais·sance man You honestly think its from a line of cocaine that was cut with creatine which had trace amounts of steroids from not cleaning packing machines? You must be a deep thinker.
@@freesyddotcom Is it from that line of cocaine that was cut with creatine that had trace amounts of steroids over 18 months ago?
Yeah, I don’t get it. Fighters like Bisping,, Cormier, Khabib, Ferguson, Gus and so many others never tested positive yet Jones has tested positive how many times?
exactly! all i keep hearing is how small the amount was in Jons system, but the question is why is it there to begin with
Jon his a martyr...he cheats for them
Facts
Good point...hard to believe John is that stupid!!!
Shut up. You fight him..
Interesting
AYO HANNIBAL funny seeing you eh?
Why is This the first comment... it has 14 likes
@@bryant8647 Bc it’s a sisters shoe palace
Joe bro...... cmon man haha let’s be real.
Rogan is a paid UFC representative, with a lucrative contract and position within the UFC. Did you even have to listen to him to know that he will tow the official UFC party line?!
Phrase of the day is: Conflict of interest
Thanks to Jon Jones, at least we all learned what a 'picogram' is now .. lol
a2zme 😂😂
regardless of what happens I hope Gustaffson tears him apart.
if Jones is on t-abol he want get finished. The Russians won every competition with that drug. Its so powerful and out of your system within 12 hours or 1 in a trillion picogram might be left
Ever heard the phrase "no chance in hell" well yea that phrase best applies to your comment
As awesome as that would be, it's more likely that jon is the one who'll do that
Wolfgang Rittner
You’re not a physician are you?
@@BlackGeniusGod It only takes one good hit and Jones would be out or just survive and the retarded judges could give it to you. If you think it isn't possible than you have never watched Gustaffson fight.Jon Jones is one of the greatest MMA fighters ever but any one can be beat at any time on any given day. Or Jones could get caught(finally) for all the eye poking he does and get dqed. Jones is a juiced up badass but there is always a chance, especially Gustaffson.
“Everybody’s on steroids,” - Nate Diaz
Joey Diaz looks like an Italian character on the Simpsons.
Plot twist. He's Cuban
captainroger he does look italian he even has says this. He portrays Italian mobsters in movies
@@munkeynutz370 yeah
Roman the butcher.
Fat Tony
Why doesn't the UFC just produce their own supplements? They could even sell them as a premium product since they would have to pass third party testing. Fighters could get ufc supplements for free and advertise them as well. There is a lot of money in supplements and this way you would also eliminate the tainted supplement excuse.
BlueGum I’ve always thought this too be a great money maker as fan would want to use the same supps as there favourite fighters
Well there's actually a store that USADA and WADA say is 100% clear and they recommend to athletes no matter the sport. Problem is, everyone cheats, sadly. Like Nate Diaz said, EVERYONE IS ON STEROIDS!
That....is a phenomenal idea!
I like this idea
Because then they would have no excuse to let roided fighters like Jones n Lesnar fight.
Stop defending Jon Jones. He should of been kicked out of the UFC when he did a hit and run on a pregnant woman. Simply because of the fact that isn't the type of person you want representing your company. It is so sad how the MMA community will defend this guy to the end but say that Anderson Silva's career didn't matter cause he pissed hot. What makes Jon Jones so special?
He's the goat
LoL true, Anderson Silva is pretty much what you WANT representing your company
MR. I.W.C you are stupid
It's quite simple. He makes a lot of money.
He's special because he's the most dominant fighter of his era. Daniel Cormier is the pound for pound best at this moment, and Jones beat the shit out of him twice. Go to a church sponsored boxing exhibition if you want pure. On the battlefield, I want the cooked up roided up goat.
Joe “I just said the N word and no one noticed it” Rogan
BardocksBallSack Haha I thought I was the only one who noticed. Lucky Joe, these days people don’t take that lightly.
Where'd he say it?
0:24
Nah he said: “and they’re gonna let him fight” listen to it a couple times and you’ll hear
it really sounds like that, but he said: and they gonna let him fight
bones didn't detox properly or early enough.....again. someone has to keep better track of his cycles.
ben hartland exactly bro what a joke!
😂😂😂
Someone that understands... thank you! Didn’t cycle off sooner.
To justify the substance a year later in urine?!! Complete BS
His other tests should of had this " residual" amount as well.
@@gponce1717 it's a con job. The entire UFC knows that shit is so far out of your system over the course of a year
Do a lie detector test in the ring on the night and have Bruce Buffer call it. That’ll be a show.
Hahaha
That’s thinking outside the box.👍
He done one last time and passed it somehow
Annnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddd TRUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@willbrooker4312 Because he's a sociopath
Legend has it Jon Jones’ bedsheets are stained with the Shroud Of Turinabol.
Nah that's his sweat rag
That's funny
"What you're seeing here is not evidence of new drug use" Joe 'the shill' Rogan
This “higher testing standard” argument raises an interesting point.
If you can still have picograms cause a positive test years after use, surely this creates a SIMPLE fix to drug bans.
Your ban should be until you are clean via test. If picograms show up for several years after use then that’s your ban. Easy fix
Cmon Joe, first it was that his cocaine was laced with steroids, now it's that it hasn't left his body for nearly 2 years....
Turinabol has a half-life of 16 hours ffs
you do understand what a half life means? it doesnt mean all of it is gone from ur system....
PrivateFearless Where tf did you get that from lol Turinabol at minimum stays in your body from 12-18 months which is why Jones popped again. Ya’ll gotta stop the lies
oopsie i accidentally snorted a line of cocaine laced with turinabol and it happened to last 2 years oopsie
Dont worry Joe Rogan is just being consistent. He's the mascot for the Bones Jones nuthugging campaign
Didn’t you listen? The amount that was in his system was like a grain of salt.
“I wanna talk to a real expert on this...” so he’s going to have on Novitski, who WORKS for the UFC. SMH.
Smells fishy to me
The rules say you cannot have ANY level of this substance in your system. Simple.
yes. bad luck if you took one of those "magic picogram rebounding" performance enhancers. if you took one of those magic "happen to be deadly" substances, you'd have the bad luck of being dead. people think somebody else should be wearing jones' bad luck
The thing is he was already found guilty and served his time for this crime.
No, the thing is! It can’t be in him. And he f’d up multiple times. That’s where it started. It’s his OWN mistake. That it’s still in him is because HE once started doing shit. Period.
I get both sides, but if it's still the same thing before, why the fuck didn't they wait till it was out of his system....
I don’t care what it is... it will not stay in your system for a year and a half
So what about justice for Frank Mir who had similar circumstances?
Also, what about the policy of strict liability...this shows inconsistency in how its applied to all fighters...is there going to be recompense for those people who fell victim previously to these types of circumstances?
Tom Lawler had the same thing
Joe “OJ Simpson is innocent” Rogan
E Ramirez haha good one !
E Ramirez Joe "I love black people and admire their struggle" Rogan
Free Bill
E Ramirez OJ is innocent ?
Tainted supplements? Are you kidding me Joe? how come Jon Jones is the only guy who takes these supplements?
Paladin2906 this guy is a millionaire. Why doesn’t he have a trainer in charge of food and supplements. He has no excuse. Personally I think he is a cheat. I just hope he gets his ass handed to him.
Remember when michael bisping was on the show like a few weeks ago? He said tainted supplements are bullshit and sounded like joe agreed.
@@jimai808 I just watched this episode yesterday.
Jon "My coke was tainted with PED's" Jones
Thats the best coke
The issue I have with the explanation are the test numbers released.
Over 2 years ago they detected 17 picograms of osterene in Tom Lawlers failed test.
Jones last fail, I believe was between 20 and 80 picograms.
Jones new test is 60.
- Now, osterene may be easier to detect so we can scratch that.
- Also, if we notice Jones's first test is expressed as a range (20-80) and the second was not (60), it does indicate more sophisticated testing.
*BUT the problem is...* if we've had more sophisticated tests for say 6 months now, how is it that we haven't found even smaller traces in Jones *AND others* prior to this.
60 is a pretty big number. There were NO other tests with 10 or 20?
Do terinabal picograms clump together?
If terinabal does pulse as they say, how _volatile_ are the waves typically in the previous known cases? Does pulse behaviour vary significantly by person and/or within an athlete?
Until I get some answers on those questions, I'll still think Jones is a cheat.
_(If you watch the latest 232 press conference, Jones is the type of guy that will say to the audience, "Guys, be respectful. We're all men here." and then, 10 minutes later, "Bad journalism, bad journalism, bad journalism, bad journalism...)_
Joe "i like the fence im sitting on" Rogan
😁🤣
Hahahaha
Joe "i don't have all the information, do I don't habe an opinion yet " Rogan.
So when he popped in 2017 it was “a pinch of salt in an Olympic sized swimming pool” but 18 months later a drug that has a very short half life was still in his system???? Yeah makes sense....
Curtis Caudle exactly. so either he kept taking gear or that "pinch of salt" was a truckload of salt.
Curtis Caudle do u know for sure it has a very short half life? I’m legitimately asking. I don’t know shit about the story other than the hilarity of it happening again.
You don't understand what metabolites are...
No its a pinch now
@@IRenegadEEEEE yeah, its like 18 hours.
If their is plenty of tainted products why is it always jones bones that gets flagged why not anyone else in the ufc
Shawn O’malley too.
....why are you talking about Jones bones?
MatterUnderMind hi ya I’m talking about jones as joey Diaz and joe rogan are in this video
Peter Seager chad mendez
@@D_Snutz what kind of stupid question is that?
"Hey Turinabol, are you still there?" - Jon Jones
Who employs Rogan and Novitzky? Can we all just acknowledge Jones is juiced to the gills and out of the GOAT conversation.
Jones is the goat get over it
Miniscule amount detected =/= juiced to the gills. Don't quit your day job MARK TULLOCH.
Mark Tulloch Jones will always be the goat, don’t hate on him lmao.
@@SwayNoir Do you just go comment to comment defending this cheater
The UFC does employ Joe Rogan. Jeff Novitzky is not employed by the UFC.
If it’s left overs from over a year ago how come it didn’t show up in his earlier tests this year?
yea bro thats all bullshit
jones is obviously still on roids
samurai jack innit
Yikes.
Kieth should work for Vada or whatever,dude keep debunking
This is the point that doesnt add up. Jones slipped up trying to micro dose n mask it. And ufc is complicit it seems.
Kieth Livingston they explained that in this video. The previous test wasnt as good as the later test
Damn Bonez it’s gettin harder n harder to defend u bruh
Seriously. Im the dude who used to defend him saying he's young and just making the same mistakes anyone his age would make.
Now I'm like Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit, PLUS the fact that he didn't take that "Vada" test a few days ago. I don't care who you are If someone accuses you of a crime that you know you didn't do and there is an option for you to clear ur name, You JUMP on it , The fact that he refused says everything.
Yeah.. i love my boi too, but just How much does he took last time, that Years later this shit is still in his system.. Bruuh. And they saying that this "turinabol shit" lives up to 16 hours.. 🙈
This is facts bro . I really just realized I don’t ride for him the same anymore . If he gets Caught caught again than the only thing I can see is a Foreman type of comeback at 40
For sure. And honestly, I can't help but think the UFC and USADA are are as corrupted as it appears at first glance. There would have to be a serious streak of unique and very bad luck for this story to play out how it has and he have been clean the entire time.
The only sure thing about this video is that the guest tests positive for cigarette smoking. I mean the question is 2 or 3 packs a day? :-)
TheFrogAbroad nah, he doesnt smoke cigs anymore. He used to. He just smokes a lot of weed.
Joe "He's been tested positive again, but I just don't know if it's true" Rogan.
He's a UFC commentator ,he can't say things even if he believes them
Jone Jones is an addict. There you go.
Forex_Shark. You're bragging about cheating.
@Sam The Sham Are you just spamming nonsense on every top comment? Joe just doesn't want to say someone is guilty until he has all the facts straight and there is no room for error. Clearly, you wouldn't be able to understand that.
Remember, these are all guys who kick other guys in the dick for a living. Who cares, really? They're all pretty much dumb buttholes.
Of course it’s trace amounts it’s leaving his system and he’s already reaped the benefits, Joe come on wtf?
Joe is apparently on TRT do you not think he knows about cycles and shit, you dumb fuck
That’s just not how steroids work Swan Swan lmao
ThE Book Of SwantE u r my hero
@debbie downer. I'm thinking if a homeless person dug my grandma up and shat on her , I would not be offended . maybe if they shat on me offence would be forthcoming . but I'm thinking the smell of my dead grandma would be way more offensive , than the act of shitting on her . the smell of the turd might even be overpowered . who knows ??
uk-medi-weed-grower shhhhh. I'm fishing. Don't scare away my catch.
Joe works for the UFC his opinion is bias
You think Dana told him to say,all this shit
@@thekobykidz2586 yes. This is the narrative they came up with
@@thekobykidz2586 Dana dont have to tell him, he is smart enough to be able to follow his lead without saying a word
He's just a delusional fan stop with the OTT conspiracies. He defends Jon to this level because he loves his fights
Kobe Capo Yes. Only Bisping, Dana, and Joe are saying he didn't cheat.
It doesn't matter if he used those drugs 15 years ago, he still has the banned substance in his body.