@@polybius8571 Not really. I'd say that the stories are definitely chalked full with profanity and immature humor in general, but I wouldn't say that it's *just* filled with that. You're allowed to believe whatever you like, but I just don't understand how you can only see the in-between sections as just one thing 😂
@@polybius8571 Why is the profanity the one thing people have an issue with the show? It's all a blur between sentences to me. Are people really that sensitive to rough language?
@@polybius8571 I think the show really just kind of captures how people actually talk in real life. There is quite a bit of profanity in daily speech.
@@Periit8644 it’s definitely better than what a lot of big name companies put out. The writing is okay but it’s not as bad as some people make it out to be.
I agree with him. While both shows can be vulgar or violent, it’s pretty dumb to say that’s all they are or that they have no value because of it. Its just one aspect of the show. And I don’t think people like these shows solely because they like an abundance of cussing and inappropriate jokes, I think they like it because those things make it obvious that they are irrefutably shows for adults. A lot of animated shows are written off as children’s content just because of their art style, so it’s refreshing to get a show that keeps that vibrant fun art style while maintaining the fact that it is undeniably not for children. I think that if the shows just aren’t to your taste thats fine, but generalizing an entire series you may or may not have even watched in the first place as unintelligent or lacking depth on the basis that you don’t like excessive swears or sexual humor is silly, and not an opinion that holds any weight to me. So many people in reality, at least in my experiences, swear the amount that the characters do in the show, and that says nothing about their intelligence and everything about how they were raised and habit. Swearing a lot doesn’t make you an idiot, and choosing not to doesn’t make you a genius superior to everyone who does. It’s just a preference, and you can express that preference without being a dick to people that harmlessly enjoy a show
Exactly! There's a difference between "there's too much swearing" and "there's too much swearing for me" Theres a difference between "all this sex stuff isn't funny" and "I don't find all this sex stuff funny" The formers aren't valid criticism of a show for anyone besides yourself bc those things are personal preferences not anything objective. The latters are absolutely acceptable bc you're allowed to like what you like and not like what you don't. But universalizing your preferences is where the issues start.
For real tho! The swearing can even be character building imo! Like how Blitzø swears a lot but doesn’t joke or play around when he’s serious, enough for Loona to notice and not question his decision. Some characters very rarely swear, Moxie does so for emphasis when he’s peeved at Blitzø for instance. Stella does so to insult or demean others or to be verbally violent Store owners swearing not not swearing is world-building because politeness in Hell isn’t that big a priority to most, but some still keep civility and grace for their clientele. Sometimes it gets a bit much, especially Blitzø, but the fact that it’s noticeably him to me feels like his character is effective and makes his quiet moments more poignant
@@anangoohnsthere are ways to objectively critique humour, but as you said people are just going about it wrong. If they broke down a joke for its timing, delivery, etc and explained how it could be improved or why it didn’t land for many people, it would be more understandable. But most of the critics are not respectful at all
@@table2.0 yes exactly! They got a free bowl of soup and don't like how it tastes. Instead of saying "the salt-to-tangy balance was off" or "this variety of mushroom wasn't the best pick to pair with this broth," they're sitting there saying "I don't like mushrooms and this soup has mushrooms in it, therefore it's a gross soup and no one should eat it"
As someone who previously thought this. All the it's only sex and bad words shit. Yeah. I admit I was completely wrong. I watched season 1 of hazbin and after getting enough yt shorts for it to catch my interest and honestly it was great. Then I went and watched helluva boss and I loved that even more. So happy I actually gave it a shot
This was my experience too - I wrote it off as “bdsm is edgy!!!! hot topic family guy” but a friend got me to watch Hazbin. Was pleasantly surprised, so i watched Helluva, and absolutely fell in love.
Both shows have so much heart, and it’s so clear to see when you watch them how much care the cast and the creators/creative team (art, animation, etc) have for the shows they’re in. It’s really great to see and makes you care for the show all the more
I tried explaining this to someone and they were like “I watched a video of someone saying it’s all about sex and profanity” and I was like “congrats you watched a bias video put out by someone who isn’t a fan and is over simplifying the plot, the only way you can get a real understanding is if you watch the show” but they were still stuck in their ways
PLEEEEEEEEEASE interview him again!!! it was such a good listen I've already listened to it 4 or 5 times...he was so funny, relatable, just got an overall great vibe from him when he speak his whole personality seems like he's someone you've met before and known your whole life...I haven't met him yet..but hopefully soon that's been my dream for 10 almost 11 years...he seems so sweet like someone you want to be around...amazing interview would love to have another interview with him in the future
Millie and moxie are the romantic couple end goal that blitzø and stolas try to reach Blitzø and stolas are the fathers who actually try to be good parents goal Then you have the unexplored sisterly relationship between the two daughters that was lightly touched on
I absolutely love that my religious belief on Heaven and Hell was more or less finally portrayed. Yeah, obviously for entertainment, but I just love it so far for Hazbin Hotel. Now for Helluva Boss, oh my god, there's so many feels in there to where it's more of a "hits home" for me. I've cried a few different times. When Via was stating how it seems stplas only cares for Blitz, and then Apology Tour were the two main episodes so far that have made me cried pretty hard.
Thank you for saying that it relates to your religious beliefs cause it sometimes makes feel really guilty and sinful for liking these shows so I it really uplifts me to hear about other people who enjoy these shows and are also religious
FR THO, One of my Bestfriends in class was talking about how this one girl was a fan of Hazbin, And a bunch of other stuff thats weird, so they're roping it into that.
I get so much flack about liking these shows. A few trolls have started filling my TikTok comments with soap bars. I just wanna enjoy the shows in peace
I showed my dad hazbin hotel and we were like in the middle of happy day in hell and he asked me what do I like about this. I mean he didn't Evan give it a chance he decided sex jokes? Yeah this is stupid.
@@D7o7m7i7 its usually because we know what it's like to have people in the community and not in the community tell us our Sexuality isn't real (we obviously don't get told the same things) plus asexuals are chill asf fr (Even when trying to take over Denmark ❤️)
As much as I understand why these shows would turn people off, it makes me sad to think of the wonderful plot, characters, lessons, music and art they’re missing out on
Exactly! It's really irritating to see people whine about how "ooooh dey sayded da cus words" and stuff, especially when they try and act like that's all it is. One, so what? Who doesn't swear? If you don't occasionally throw out a swear word, you're most likely some weirdo Mormon or something. Sorry Jedediah, I'll keep it down while you plow the field if it means I'll get some Amish butter. Two, these shows have a lot of lore, they have characters that are complex and interesting and that represent the struggles of real people very well, and it's just infinitely irritating to see people just bat it all away because "AAAAAAA DEY SAID DA FAK WURD!"
No one was every whining about the cuss words lmao, most people whine that there is no substance beyond that, you really think the outrage was because of curse words? The main thing people complain about is the fact viv just reuses the same plot over and over and expects people to like it, the earliest episodes of helluva boss not counting the pilot was a character spotlight on a character we werent shown in the pilot, and was developed BEFORE the main cast could even be properly introduced, like seriously what kind of show does that. Look, you can like a show because it purely looks cool and can acknowledge its flaws, but dont pretend the nay sayers dont have a point.
@@char1137fr tho, although I like the show to an extent there are major flaws in it which gives people a reason to not like the show. Should you hate on someone for liking it? no, everyone has interest and being toxic just seems very unnecessary (but again people like taking their anger out on the smallest things possible because of their sappy life at home, everyone deals with stuff no need to be a piece of crap lol) same goes for the fans too, don’t hate on someone who doesn’t like the show. It’s common sense yet people are fighting over this? like jeez.
@@Thatguyr0ss i dunno where your going with this, never implied i you should hate anyone for doing so, as ive literally stated i you can in the latter text, so either your referring to the dude above me or the discussion as a whole
@@char1137wait what- people do complain about the cursing. Thats like the number one criticism of the shows. Before I got to op’ comments I passed a few people who were complaining about the cursing.
Lmao im just laughing cuz a a very dude bro friend of mine who isnt into a lot of this stuff checked out helluva boss and found it funny but "it started getting a little too gay" and i just laughed and said thats the GOOD part. He continued to watch it tho. Im proud of him. :3❤
YES. SIR RICHARD, LAY DOWN THE FAXXXXX. And also, the other thing is,,,sex jokes and profanity isnt,,bad?? Yes, it's not the most commonly liked type of humor but it's not bad. It's not NOT-funny. It's hilarious. A large part of the populations likes that type of humor. That alone makes the show 1000000000% valid. Irregardless of how deep or well written or empathetic the show is.
People just love to overlook optimism and goodness when risqué topics are involved. Way back in the 70’s, there was an arc in The Amazing Spider-Man comics about Harry Osborne getting addicted to pills due to how stressful his life was. A lot of Marvel execs at the time only saw the drug abuse and immediately labeled it “wrong”. However, when fans read it, they found a story that tackled serious topics but still maintained optimism and hopefulness. Same thing applies to HB/HH. Many are quick to judge the contents of media, rather than what media has to say about its contents.
I remember reading this one comment on an edit and the person said "it's set in hell? Christians shouldn't watch this or kids" and I just sit there thinking wtf soni replied "i understand where you're coming from but you shouldn't judge a show based on a setting of the environment it matters what the show is actually about not where it's set" and a lot of people agreed with me on this statement you shouldn't judge a book by its cover you have to read the book before you judge it. Who else agrees with me?
Ok so I always thought the same thing as Richard And thats why I dont hate on One Piece (random example) Idk the plot because i dont plan on watching it bc of the way its structured...bc it has over 1100 episodes and I barely have time to watch the ones im already watching like MHA which im only on SEASON 4 BC GODDAMN DO THEY GO IN DETAIL WITH EVERY MISSION...AND THEN PROCEED TO DO A 3 MONTH SKIP OR SOMETHING OR THROW IN A MOVIE XDD
[contains spoilers for Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel] yessss, I noticed what a brilliant show HB is at exploring relationships, not just romantic ones but friendships, father-daughter relationships, father-son relationships, how past relationships impact people and impact their future relationships, how people's relationship with themseleves affect how they treat other people and what they think they can have in relationships, how simple it is that everyone craves connection in some form even whilst being scared of it, and how people change people. having all of this in the landscape of Hell is so interesting too. in particular the way they have created Stolas and Blitzø's relationship is so well crafted to be really layered and complex and I noticed different things about it and saw it from two different perspectives when I watched it through a second time. and how Blitzø's trauma and guilt of starting the fire, him blamimg himself for Fizz and his mother's de*th, then everyone else blaming him for it as well making him believe he shouldn't be allowed to make close relationships ever again because he fears hurting them and he doesn't believe he's worth anything good, and the massive impact that has on his ability to form friendships or have a romantic relationship, because they require you, on some level, to accept love. which he doesn't think he can. it's so sad, I really feel for Blitzø, I hope he and Stolas can eventually work through the messy parts and get together. (I'm also really hoping they won't only get together as romantic partners on the very last episode of the whole series, like a lot of shows do, because that won't be the end of their relationship journey, there is so much more interesting things to see with them navigating a new, genuine, loving relationship, so I really hope we get grt to see that.) Hazbin touches on it as well. like people who have hit rock bottom and (have been told) it won't get better, this is the end of the line, and they've all done things deemed morally wrong but yet they can still have deep, complex emotions and can still feel love and protection and loyalty for eachother and form family-like relationships and even improve on their relationships with themselves too. and the relationship between Charlie and Lucifer, or the wholesome and wonderful love of Charlie and Vaggie, a demonspawn daughter of Lucifer and an angel who used to be an exorcist. I believe we're going to get a lot more exploration into interpersonal relationships in Hazbin's next seasons. I hope we're going to look at Alastor's family relationship, and maybe more of Charlie's too 🤞 The hellaverse is a fun and fantastic exploration of complex relationships
It’s so weird how people make such a big deal of swearing in Hazbin/Helluva when shows like South Park literally have the exact same amount of swearing.
My older brother called it “FNAF sister location furry porn” because I had mentioned as a fun little fact that it had been renewed through season 4. This was after I had first mentioned it to him a while back after watching it myself, where he then proceeded to explain Verbalase to me (I didn’t know about Verbalase at the time, despite watching both HH and HB) and said that Verbalase are what “normal people” think of when they hear the words “Hazbin Hotel.”
My friend who doesn't watch it calls it the stupid gay hotel and it makes me sad because it's not about gay people its about helping people and trying to see the good in others
I think Blitzo's redemption is going good but most of the relationships have always the same occuring problems which create filler episodes, let's not even talk about the community killing off the vibe by making everything horny, the merchandising even make it worse. As much as i can say it has potential it does not seem to keep it up and you can't really get into the fandom for drama reasons. In short, it can entertain for a while but by being repetitive and not really caring about their community toxic side you basically stay in the middle, you do not feel that sensation that lets you watch it again over and over
When I first started watching helluva boss I told my friend and he said "helluva boss is just about gay furries having sex". It's not. It has nothing to do with furries. It may have a few scenes about sex but it's mostly demons killing people and now a lot more than that
I saw a religious channel I follow make a post condemning Hazbin Hotel and I was so annoyed. They aren't even technically using our religion (related but very different from our views on heaven and hell) and it's about redemption. Shouldn't we like the show that says vices are bad and you don't want to end up in hell? Or at least ignore it, since nothing about the show glorifies hell
I had uploaded a kind of save space post on TT and one of the characters I featured for it was Alastor. I cannot stretch enough how many people went hating in the comments just because a fictional deer demon with a radio gimmick was present.
@@iforgotmyusername11 if it's not for them it's not for them. Some people are okay with certain topics and some people aren't. If they feel like it's in their best interest not to watch the series, then good for them for being self aware. It's way better to put mental distance between triggers than watch it knowing that triggers will be there and then complain. They aren't saying it's bad just not for them, and that's a completely fine mindset. "I'm also sensitive to certain topics and I'm fine watching it" is a really toxic mindset that reflects the old-school mindset of "I was beat as a kid and I'm fine".
As much as I agree that there is more to the show than these things, the writing meets very sharp heights and some really massive lows for me but that’s only my opinion. People should be allowed to enjoy what they like (so long as it doesn’t get problematic)
I'll expand somewhat on what the other commenter said. Hazbin Hotel is a musical (2 songs per episode) though I've heard people who say they don't like musicals but do like Hazbin, however your mileage may vary. Helluva boss has many songs (an average of 0-2 songs in a episode) with a wide range, but it's not a musical.
@@zysworld3453Yeah, pretty funny, but Helluva Boss has two seasons so it makes sense. I've heard they're gonna have even more songs in season two of Hazbin Hotel which will definitely give it the lead.
@@zysworld3453yeah, I had to watch it twice to realize that season 1 has more than 3 songs. I guess it doesn't feel like musical because most of the songs aren't random, they happen on stage, tv commercials or it's just Moxxie singing for Millie because he loves her. Random ones usually happen when Stolas has a disney princess moment alone in his room and this is the only time when it actually feels like musical.
I thought hellava boss was supposed to be about a group of imps being assassins working in a small business while they are also like very discrimination against because they are at the bottom of the hierarchy
I watched the first couple minutes of hazbin hotel, I can see that there is probably a good story in there but the sex and profanity just doesnt seem tasteful to me, it doesnt particulalry enhance anything for me and that turned me away from it. Thats the opinions of me personally, I acknowledge the song writing is great and the cast is very tallented.
@@nadiahall885 yeah and that's okay, for me I like the sex and profanity because that's just me but I know that it isn't for everyone and I'm fine with that, sorry if this was a weird reply
Yeah I don’t like the sex stuff a lot. I dunno maybe I’m prudish lmao, but sex related things are just akward to me. So I skip them cuz like- I don’t wanna see two people boinking it 😂
Yeah before i watched it my bf said he did and said its not for kids (we were 9 btw) and i looked up is hazbin hotel for kids and it said "NO, HAZBIN HOTEL IS NOT FOR KIDS!" so i was thinking like its probably murder and about sex or something and decided to watch it and i was little traumatized but i liked it and a few months later loved it and figured out helluva boss and i LOVED it and its crazy looking back like.. its only been 4 months and i love both, it felt like 2 years 😂 😅 I also hate how long i have to wait for the next episode's and most likely me thinking helluva AND hazbin hotel are probably still gonna have more episodes 😂 When a new short comes out about helluva it feels illegal to be that early 😅
If you hate it don't watch it. If it's so shit to you, don't watch it, if the comedy doesn't land or it's the same gag DON'T WATCH IT. It's like thinking onions are disgusting and eating nothing but onions just to hate on them. Have you heard of NOT watching something you consider shitty and instead watching something ENJOYABLE? Why smack yourself in the dick if you don't like it?
"I'm going to waste my time watching this show I KNOW I fucking hate and irritates the fuck out of me because I like to torture myself and be a dick about it." Bruh
@@krakenattacken8230For what it’s worth it’s not my kind of humor either and I don’t find Vivienne’s shows funny per se, but the heart that Richard is explaining here is what hooked me. I’m a recent convert but I’m all in. The music and so many of the animated sequences are beautiful (anything with Stolas is my fav) and given the hours of breakdown/debate/discourse online, it’s clear millions of fans are very invested in these characters beyond the adult content
I feel like they should clarify in the show that not everyone can be redeemed? Im assuming it will be explored in the future but it would’ve been a good episode focus for season one, since there’s not just murders but people who have done thing that are horrific and don’t deserve it, (val for example) Would’ve been a good third episode that an episode in season 2 could link back too.. since it just makes Charlie seem really naive and it doesn’t make sense since she’s lived in hell her whole life, i get she was sheltered but the show makes her look stupid to the point where other demons take the piss out of her. Idk maybe they will explore it in ss2 but it Charlie was just a bit more mean some issues could potentially be resolved, or fixed much faster so it would be nice to see her utilise that.
in my opinion that's the point. in recent interview with vivziepop she said that there will be matter of who is truly redeemable or irredeemable. Charlie is supposed to be intentionally flawed character who develops throughout the series which is mentioned by charlie's voice actress. If you think about it, how can person stuck in hell for eternity understand the concept of redemption when it is surrounded by crimes and nobody knows how to redeem even including angels I theorize that lucifer may have been overprotective dad to charlie. I think it's more interesting to see a flawed main character that develops but i get why you may not like that..
That’s sorta the point. Charlie’s is supposed to be naive and dumb. Like, if you notice her tactics to try and redeem someone it’s very- surface level. Like trust falls and all that is very basic. Since she doesn’t know what gets a sinner into heaven, so she’s doing anything. Basically throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks
The problem with the swearing that people don’t understand is that, as a writer, swearing should be used as a tool. Something to be used at the right time and to help emphasize something. HH and HB ignore that and overdo swearing where it’s got no substance than “ooh cartoon character said the f word”. I’m caught up on both and I can honestly say that both shows really aren’t that well written. The music is fine those parts made HH more watchable but the overall story of HH moved wayyyy too fast. HB had an interesting concept and mostly threw it to the side for romance. Which would be fine if the show was originally pitched as that in the pilot. If you like the show then good for you and more power to you
I like Richard Horvitz, but I disagree with this. The problem with Helluva Boss is not human feelings and morals mixed with violence and profanity; it's bad writing. Stella is evil for the sake of being evil because "this angry woman interferes with their gay love", and her backstory is being angry since birth; Stolas is depicted as innocent despite being a perverted freak; the relationship between Stolas and Blitz is toxic; the show promotes itself as a dark comedy about demons but turns into love drama instead. Father and daughter relationship is shown through Blitz/Luna and Stolas/Octavia, but it seems like Luna doesn't learn on her mistakes and still pushes her dad away at every opportunity, and Octavia's dad still neglects her. I wouldn't have a problem if show combined comedy and drama well, but many things seem off topic.
@@ahalfgaymeerkatand he’s the voice director for both shows 😭 these people are embarrassing themselves with how little they know about the show and yet still trying to open their mouths abt it
Cant speak to hellava boss since i havent watched it. HAZBIN, however, while I agree its about redemption it still has way too much profanity, and it glamorizes hell a bit too much for my liking. These things can alienate potential fans . Wehn using that much profanity it comes across as childish.
@@pjdixon6199 that’s what I’m thinking, there are so many shows that have so much more profanity than HH and HB combined but they don’t complain about those shows.
As someone watched both shows...this is BULLSHIT. I'll give credit it's not JUST about sex and profanity BUT it does have a lot of it where I won't blame anyone for thinking that to begin with. And what fucking story? What relationships? WHAT REDEMPTION?! None of this is expanded upon in the show. Its mentioned yes, but not expanded or questioned in the show. There is no CLEAR idea of what the creator's of these shows want to tell. Look you guys can love this show by all means, but don't kiss this shows ass and say it's a masterpiece.
richard did not say this is masterpiece. someone praising some aspects of the show is not the same as calling it masterpiece. dude media literacy nowadays...
Nah fr what he said about people who don't watch the show
Having watched the show, there is a plot but pretty much everything between point A and B is just profanity.
@@polybius8571 and this isn't victorian england, people are allowed to swear
@@polybius8571 Not really. I'd say that the stories are definitely chalked full with profanity and immature humor in general, but I wouldn't say that it's *just* filled with that. You're allowed to believe whatever you like, but I just don't understand how you can only see the in-between sections as just one thing 😂
@@polybius8571 Why is the profanity the one thing people have an issue with the show? It's all a blur between sentences to me.
Are people really that sensitive to rough language?
@@polybius8571 I think the show really just kind of captures how people actually talk in real life.
There is quite a bit of profanity in daily speech.
richard speaking facts
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People will hate on shows they haven't even seen and then give people hell about watching said shows😂
I thought it was alright. The songs are what carried it for me
@@JohnHallorannthe songs are what ruined it for me
"Love can be hell" those words have never spoken so true before
Blessed are the people who don't judge books by their covers
That's what the cover is for. Maybe you would know that if you actually did any reading.
LITERALLY. Bro people be sayin’ shit without watchin’ da show.
Why are you gay?
Watched both and there's so much bad writing 😂 fans just cope
@@Periit8644 writing like a fat chick fanfic and then you see the show's Creator and then it all makes sense.
I know! Like even as a fan I get the actual criticism about the writing and pacing, but some 'critics' just be yapping
@@Periit8644 it’s definitely better than what a lot of big name companies put out. The writing is okay but it’s not as bad as some people make it out to be.
I agree with him. While both shows can be vulgar or violent, it’s pretty dumb to say that’s all they are or that they have no value because of it. Its just one aspect of the show. And I don’t think people like these shows solely because they like an abundance of cussing and inappropriate jokes, I think they like it because those things make it obvious that they are irrefutably shows for adults. A lot of animated shows are written off as children’s content just because of their art style, so it’s refreshing to get a show that keeps that vibrant fun art style while maintaining the fact that it is undeniably not for children.
I think that if the shows just aren’t to your taste thats fine, but generalizing an entire series you may or may not have even watched in the first place as unintelligent or lacking depth on the basis that you don’t like excessive swears or sexual humor is silly, and not an opinion that holds any weight to me. So many people in reality, at least in my experiences, swear the amount that the characters do in the show, and that says nothing about their intelligence and everything about how they were raised and habit. Swearing a lot doesn’t make you an idiot, and choosing not to doesn’t make you a genius superior to everyone who does. It’s just a preference, and you can express that preference without being a dick to people that harmlessly enjoy a show
Exactly! There's a difference between "there's too much swearing" and "there's too much swearing for me"
Theres a difference between "all this sex stuff isn't funny" and "I don't find all this sex stuff funny"
The formers aren't valid criticism of a show for anyone besides yourself bc those things are personal preferences not anything objective. The latters are absolutely acceptable bc you're allowed to like what you like and not like what you don't. But universalizing your preferences is where the issues start.
For real tho! The swearing can even be character building imo! Like how Blitzø swears a lot but doesn’t joke or play around when he’s serious, enough for Loona to notice and not question his decision.
Some characters very rarely swear, Moxie does so for emphasis when he’s peeved at Blitzø for instance.
Stella does so to insult or demean others or to be verbally violent
Store owners swearing not not swearing is world-building because politeness in Hell isn’t that big a priority to most, but some still keep civility and grace for their clientele.
Sometimes it gets a bit much, especially Blitzø, but the fact that it’s noticeably him to me feels like his character is effective and makes his quiet moments more poignant
@@anangoohnsthere are ways to objectively critique humour, but as you said people are just going about it wrong.
If they broke down a joke for its timing, delivery, etc and explained how it could be improved or why it didn’t land for many people, it would be more understandable. But most of the critics are not respectful at all
@@table2.0 yes exactly! They got a free bowl of soup and don't like how it tastes. Instead of saying "the salt-to-tangy balance was off" or "this variety of mushroom wasn't the best pick to pair with this broth," they're sitting there saying "I don't like mushrooms and this soup has mushrooms in it, therefore it's a gross soup and no one should eat it"
As someone who previously thought this. All the it's only sex and bad words shit. Yeah. I admit I was completely wrong. I watched season 1 of hazbin and after getting enough yt shorts for it to catch my interest and honestly it was great. Then I went and watched helluva boss and I loved that even more. So happy I actually gave it a shot
Pov: you are gay
This was my experience too - I wrote it off as “bdsm is edgy!!!! hot topic family guy” but a friend got me to watch Hazbin. Was pleasantly surprised, so i watched Helluva, and absolutely fell in love.
Same exact thing, and now I fell in the rabbit hole
Things can be "crass" but also deeply emotionally resonant and profound. Art can, and usually is, more than just one thing.
Finally, I’ve been trying to convince people of this for a while now. Glad I have Moxxie defending my point too
Both shows have so much heart, and it’s so clear to see when you watch them how much care the cast and the creators/creative team (art, animation, etc) have for the shows they’re in. It’s really great to see and makes you care for the show all the more
I tried explaining this to someone and they were like “I watched a video of someone saying it’s all about sex and profanity” and I was like “congrats you watched a bias video put out by someone who isn’t a fan and is over simplifying the plot, the only way you can get a real understanding is if you watch the show” but they were still stuck in their ways
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Well people who say that kind of stuff can eat my ass (in a bad way)
PLEEEEEEEEEASE interview him again!!! it was such a good listen I've already listened to it 4 or 5 times...he was so funny, relatable, just got an overall great vibe from him when he speak his whole personality seems like he's someone you've met before and known your whole life...I haven't met him yet..but hopefully soon that's been my dream for 10 almost 11 years...he seems so sweet like someone you want to be around...amazing interview would love to have another interview with him in the future
Millie and moxie are the romantic couple end goal that blitzø and stolas try to reach
Blitzø and stolas are the fathers who actually try to be good parents goal
Then you have the unexplored sisterly relationship between the two daughters that was lightly touched on
Hazbin and helluva are very special!
I absolutely love that my religious belief on Heaven and Hell was more or less finally portrayed. Yeah, obviously for entertainment, but I just love it so far for Hazbin Hotel. Now for Helluva Boss, oh my god, there's so many feels in there to where it's more of a "hits home" for me. I've cried a few different times. When Via was stating how it seems stplas only cares for Blitz, and then Apology Tour were the two main episodes so far that have made me cried pretty hard.
Thank you for saying that it relates to your religious beliefs cause it sometimes makes feel really guilty and sinful for liking these shows so I it really uplifts me to hear about other people who enjoy these shows and are also religious
This goes for a lot of animated shows! They all have a deeper meaning
FR THO, One of my Bestfriends in class was talking about how this one girl was a fan of Hazbin, And a bunch of other stuff thats weird, so they're roping it into that.
I like how when he mentions Helluva Boss, the first few images after are from Hazbin Hotel.
Not this edit showing pics of Vox and Alastor when Richard said _love and relationships in Hell_
😂😭
God bless this man! Love you Mr. Horvits!
I loved how its si simple to understand now ❤
I get so much flack about liking these shows. A few trolls have started filling my TikTok comments with soap bars. I just wanna enjoy the shows in peace
THANK YOU Moxxie for the whole way that both series are a thing between the people of Hell
I paused it at "both hazbin and helluvaboss" to only my own words there so here they are "amazing and deserve less hate than they get"
I cant help but imagine Moxxie saying this. I never realized how similar he sounds to his characters before.
Literally, every short I've seen, I'm just like. "Oh hi Moxxie, yes, I would love to hear your fourth-wall-breaking statements on these questions" 😆
I showed my dad hazbin hotel and we were like in the middle of happy day in hell and he asked me what do I like about this. I mean he didn't Evan give it a chance he decided sex jokes? Yeah this is stupid.
You tell em Zim!!
And hazbin is about redemption and what not
Never thought i hear Chaos from skylanders say sex
Exactly.
Both have quickly became a hyperfixation for me. Which is rare, btw
As an asexual the murdering is my favourite part ngl
Here's some garlic bread 🍞
(I'll give y'all Denmark 🇩🇰 if that's all you take 😅)
@@BisexualBean49 thanks bis are always the kindest to us ngl
@@D7o7m7i7 its usually because we know what it's like to have people in the community and not in the community tell us our Sexuality isn't real (we obviously don't get told the same things) plus asexuals are chill asf fr
(Even when trying to take over Denmark ❤️)
As much as I understand why these shows would turn people off, it makes me sad to think of the wonderful plot, characters, lessons, music and art they’re missing out on
Exactly! It's really irritating to see people whine about how "ooooh dey sayded da cus words" and stuff, especially when they try and act like that's all it is. One, so what? Who doesn't swear? If you don't occasionally throw out a swear word, you're most likely some weirdo Mormon or something. Sorry Jedediah, I'll keep it down while you plow the field if it means I'll get some Amish butter. Two, these shows have a lot of lore, they have characters that are complex and interesting and that represent the struggles of real people very well, and it's just infinitely irritating to see people just bat it all away because "AAAAAAA DEY SAID DA FAK WURD!"
No one was every whining about the cuss words lmao, most people whine that there is no substance beyond that, you really think the outrage was because of curse words? The main thing people complain about is the fact viv just reuses the same plot over and over and expects people to like it, the earliest episodes of helluva boss not counting the pilot was a character spotlight on a character we werent shown in the pilot, and was developed BEFORE the main cast could even be properly introduced, like seriously what kind of show does that.
Look, you can like a show because it purely looks cool and can acknowledge its flaws, but dont pretend the nay sayers dont have a point.
@@char1137fr tho, although I like the show to an extent there are major flaws in it which gives people a reason to not like the show. Should you hate on someone for liking it? no, everyone has interest and being toxic just seems very unnecessary (but again people like taking their anger out on the smallest things possible because of their sappy life at home, everyone deals with stuff no need to be a piece of crap lol) same goes for the fans too, don’t hate on someone who doesn’t like the show. It’s common sense yet people are fighting over this? like jeez.
@@Thatguyr0ss i dunno where your going with this, never implied i you should hate anyone for doing so, as ive literally stated i you can in the latter text, so either your referring to the dude above me or the discussion as a whole
@@char1137 im talking about in general since it seems to be the main issue between everything apparently
@@char1137wait what- people do complain about the cursing. Thats like the number one criticism of the shows. Before I got to op’ comments I passed a few people who were complaining about the cursing.
I see hazbin and less about "redemption" atleast in the traditional sense and more about therapy.
W Richard Horvitz
Lmao im just laughing cuz a a very dude bro friend of mine who isnt into a lot of this stuff checked out helluva boss and found it funny but "it started getting a little too gay" and i just laughed and said thats the GOOD part.
He continued to watch it tho. Im proud of him. :3❤
When I first watched Helluva boss I assumed it would just be about murdering people but now I’m crying over edits of Stolitz 💀
I showed my wife the first episode of hazbin hotel and she described it as a show for teenage boys
YES. SIR RICHARD, LAY DOWN THE FAXXXXX.
And also, the other thing is,,,sex jokes and profanity isnt,,bad??
Yes, it's not the most commonly liked type of humor but it's not bad. It's not NOT-funny. It's hilarious. A large part of the populations likes that type of humor. That alone makes the show 1000000000% valid. Irregardless of how deep or well written or empathetic the show is.
People just love to overlook optimism and goodness when risqué topics are involved. Way back in the 70’s, there was an arc in The Amazing Spider-Man comics about Harry Osborne getting addicted to pills due to how stressful his life was. A lot of Marvel execs at the time only saw the drug abuse and immediately labeled it “wrong”. However, when fans read it, they found a story that tackled serious topics but still maintained optimism and hopefulness. Same thing applies to HB/HH. Many are quick to judge the contents of media, rather than what media has to say about its contents.
I’m just wait till all 50 episodes then watch due leaks fandom and how depressing it can but luckily confirmed it will have a happy ending
Eyyy, was playing Destroy All Humans earlier. He did great as Pox
I always forgot who he voice acted but when he said Millie I knew it was moxxie
I remember reading this one comment on an edit and the person said "it's set in hell? Christians shouldn't watch this or kids" and I just sit there thinking wtf soni replied "i understand where you're coming from but you shouldn't judge a show based on a setting of the environment it matters what the show is actually about not where it's set" and a lot of people agreed with me on this statement you shouldn't judge a book by its cover you have to read the book before you judge it. Who else agrees with me?
Ok so I always thought the same thing as Richard
And thats why I dont hate on One Piece (random example)
Idk the plot because i dont plan on watching it bc of the way its structured...bc it has over 1100 episodes and I barely have time to watch the ones im already watching like MHA which im only on SEASON 4 BC GODDAMN DO THEY GO IN DETAIL WITH EVERY MISSION...AND THEN PROCEED TO DO A 3 MONTH SKIP OR SOMETHING
OR THROW IN A MOVIE XDD
Richard answering to probably the most infamous accusation of vivsie’s series
[contains spoilers for Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel]
yessss, I noticed what a brilliant show HB is at exploring relationships, not just romantic ones but friendships, father-daughter relationships, father-son relationships, how past relationships impact people and impact their future relationships, how people's relationship with themseleves affect how they treat other people and what they think they can have in relationships, how simple it is that everyone craves connection in some form even whilst being scared of it, and how people change people. having all of this in the landscape of Hell is so interesting too. in particular the way they have created Stolas and Blitzø's relationship is so well crafted to be really layered and complex and I noticed different things about it and saw it from two different perspectives when I watched it through a second time. and how Blitzø's trauma and guilt of starting the fire, him blamimg himself for Fizz and his mother's de*th, then everyone else blaming him for it as well making him believe he shouldn't be allowed to make close relationships ever again because he fears hurting them and he doesn't believe he's worth anything good, and the massive impact that has on his ability to form friendships or have a romantic relationship, because they require you, on some level, to accept love. which he doesn't think he can. it's so sad, I really feel for Blitzø, I hope he and Stolas can eventually work through the messy parts and get together. (I'm also really hoping they won't only get together as romantic partners on the very last episode of the whole series, like a lot of shows do, because that won't be the end of their relationship journey, there is so much more interesting things to see with them navigating a new, genuine, loving relationship, so I really hope we get grt to see that.)
Hazbin touches on it as well. like people who have hit rock bottom and (have been told) it won't get better, this is the end of the line, and they've all done things deemed morally wrong but yet they can still have deep, complex emotions and can still feel love and protection and loyalty for eachother and form family-like relationships and even improve on their relationships with themselves too. and the relationship between Charlie and Lucifer, or the wholesome and wonderful love of Charlie and Vaggie, a demonspawn daughter of Lucifer and an angel who used to be an exorcist. I believe we're going to get a lot more exploration into interpersonal relationships in Hazbin's next seasons. I hope we're going to look at Alastor's family relationship, and maybe more of Charlie's too 🤞
The hellaverse is a fun and fantastic exploration of complex relationships
bro people just look at the show's title and say its shit without even watching it
It’s so weird how people make such a big deal of swearing in Hazbin/Helluva when shows like South Park literally have the exact same amount of swearing.
WE LOVE YOU BAXTER/MOXXIE AKA RICHARD HORVITZ WE LOVE YOU SM
I love him
My older brother called it “FNAF sister location furry porn” because I had mentioned as a fun little fact that it had been renewed through season 4. This was after I had first mentioned it to him a while back after watching it myself, where he then proceeded to explain Verbalase to me (I didn’t know about Verbalase at the time, despite watching both HH and HB) and said that Verbalase are what “normal people” think of when they hear the words “Hazbin Hotel.”
Helluva boss and hazbin hotel saved my life ❤
The theme of hell and heaven also keeps alot of those that would be negitive away...
Still love this guy!!❤❤❤
My friend who doesn't watch it calls it the stupid gay hotel and it makes me sad because it's not about gay people its about helping people and trying to see the good in others
I was about halfway through the short before I realized who this guy is. 😂
Dynamics are clearly there❤😅
I think Blitzo's redemption is going good but most of the relationships have always the same occuring problems which create filler episodes, let's not even talk about the community killing off the vibe by making everything horny, the merchandising even make it worse. As much as i can say it has potential it does not seem to keep it up and you can't really get into the fandom for drama reasons. In short, it can entertain for a while but by being repetitive and not really caring about their community toxic side you basically stay in the middle, you do not feel that sensation that lets you watch it again over and over
When I first started watching helluva boss I told my friend and he said "helluva boss is just about gay furries having sex". It's not. It has nothing to do with furries. It may have a few scenes about sex but it's mostly demons killing people and now a lot more than that
No one talking about how when they mention relation ships vox and alastor pop up-
I genuinely wish i enjoyed Hazbin Hotel. My only *personal* problem is that it's a musical. That's literally it and it's my own thing
I saw a religious channel I follow make a post condemning Hazbin Hotel and I was so annoyed. They aren't even technically using our religion (related but very different from our views on heaven and hell) and it's about redemption. Shouldn't we like the show that says vices are bad and you don't want to end up in hell? Or at least ignore it, since nothing about the show glorifies hell
I had uploaded a kind of save space post on TT and one of the characters I featured for it was Alastor. I cannot stretch enough how many people went hating in the comments just because a fictional deer demon with a radio gimmick was present.
I can still hear moxxie 😭
facts
Yes
THANK YOU oh my god my mom won't let me watch it cuz of that (I watched it anyways)
THIS IS WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO TELL MY JW MOTHER
I litteraly had to argue with a guy ha5ing on people watching because thats what he though5 exactly
Moxie
I don't watch either and I knew it. I just don't watch it because of how dark the universe is. It makes me uncomfortable and depressed
I don't like dark and heavY shit but I found this easy to watch.
Unless u meant the actual colour pallette lol
It’s one of most light portrayals of hell I’ve ever seen 💀 tho yeah it’s specific af.
@@iforgotmyusername11 if it's not for them it's not for them. Some people are okay with certain topics and some people aren't. If they feel like it's in their best interest not to watch the series, then good for them for being self aware. It's way better to put mental distance between triggers than watch it knowing that triggers will be there and then complain. They aren't saying it's bad just not for them, and that's a completely fine mindset. "I'm also sensitive to certain topics and I'm fine watching it" is a really toxic mindset that reflects the old-school mindset of "I was beat as a kid and I'm fine".
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As much as I agree that there is more to the show than these things, the writing meets very sharp heights and some really massive lows for me but that’s only my opinion. People should be allowed to enjoy what they like (so long as it doesn’t get problematic)
I’ve wanted to watch this but don’t like musicals, which it’s classified as. This true?
HazbinHotel is a musical, HelluvaBoss has some songs but it’s not a musical.
I'll expand somewhat on what the other commenter said.
Hazbin Hotel is a musical (2 songs per episode) though I've heard people who say they don't like musicals but do like Hazbin, however your mileage may vary.
Helluva boss has many songs (an average of 0-2 songs in a episode) with a wide range, but it's not a musical.
@@Gatermanfunny how Helluva Boss has way more songs than Hazbin Hotel but is not a musical
@@zysworld3453Yeah, pretty funny, but Helluva Boss has two seasons so it makes sense.
I've heard they're gonna have even more songs in season two of Hazbin Hotel which will definitely give it the lead.
@@zysworld3453yeah, I had to watch it twice to realize that season 1 has more than 3 songs. I guess it doesn't feel like musical because most of the songs aren't random, they happen on stage, tv commercials or it's just Moxxie singing for Millie because he loves her. Random ones usually happen when Stolas has a disney princess moment alone in his room and this is the only time when it actually feels like musical.
I thought hellava boss was supposed to be about a group of imps being assassins working in a small business while they are also like very discrimination against because they are at the bottom of the hierarchy
That's the plot. Richard's talking about the story.
I agree with him but what’s up with the subtitles
Isn't that moxie?
Yes, it’s his voice actor.
Bro for a second I thought yo ass sounded like steveo
I like this show but am I paying I feel like they could do a bit less cuz you tube might start getting rid of the videos
But it's still not for kids.
And don’t forget the SONGS! Those alone are a huge draw!
I watched the first couple minutes of hazbin hotel, I can see that there is probably a good story in there but the sex and profanity just doesnt seem tasteful to me, it doesnt particulalry enhance anything for me and that turned me away from it. Thats the opinions of me personally, I acknowledge the song writing is great and the cast is very tallented.
Seriously thank you for giving your opinion
This is actually such a respectful way of putting it! I don't mind vulgar things but I know its not everyone's cup of tea
@@nadiahall885 yeah and that's okay, for me I like the sex and profanity because that's just me but I know that it isn't for everyone and I'm fine with that, sorry if this was a weird reply
Yeah I don’t like the sex stuff a lot. I dunno maybe I’m prudish lmao, but sex related things are just akward to me. So I skip them cuz like- I don’t wanna see two people boinking it 😂
Hazbin has a better storyline, but helluvaboss is cooler
what is zim on about 💀
He's one of the voice actors for the show.
Yeah before i watched it my bf said he did and said its not for kids (we were 9 btw) and i looked up is hazbin hotel for kids and it said "NO, HAZBIN HOTEL IS NOT FOR KIDS!" so i was thinking like its probably murder and about sex or something and decided to watch it and i was little traumatized but i liked it and a few months later loved it and figured out helluva boss and i LOVED it and its crazy looking back like.. its only been 4 months and i love both, it felt like 2 years 😂 😅 I also hate how long i have to wait for the next episode's and most likely me thinking helluva AND hazbin hotel are probably still gonna have more episodes 😂 When a new short comes out about helluva it feels illegal to be that early 😅
When anything I've seen from this show is just the characters swearing every few seconds it's hard to think otherwise
If you hate it don't watch it. If it's so shit to you, don't watch it, if the comedy doesn't land or it's the same gag DON'T WATCH IT.
It's like thinking onions are disgusting and eating nothing but onions just to hate on them.
Have you heard of NOT watching something you consider shitty and instead watching something ENJOYABLE? Why smack yourself in the dick if you don't like it?
"I'm going to waste my time watching this show I KNOW I fucking hate and irritates the fuck out of me because I like to torture myself and be a dick about it."
Bruh
Then watch the whole show lol. You can’t judge something based off of 30 second clips
@@someone9101 yeah true but it also rly isn't my kind of show. Just doesn't seem like the kind of humor I'm into
@@krakenattacken8230For what it’s worth it’s not my kind of humor either and I don’t find Vivienne’s shows funny per se, but the heart that Richard is explaining here is what hooked me. I’m a recent convert but I’m all in. The music and so many of the animated sequences are beautiful (anything with Stolas is my fav) and given the hours of breakdown/debate/discourse online, it’s clear millions of fans are very invested in these characters beyond the adult content
I feel like they should clarify in the show that not everyone can be redeemed? Im assuming it will be explored in the future but it would’ve been a good episode focus for season one, since there’s not just murders but people who have done thing that are horrific and don’t deserve it, (val for example)
Would’ve been a good third episode that an episode in season 2 could link back too.. since it just makes Charlie seem really naive and it doesn’t make sense since she’s lived in hell her whole life, i get she was sheltered but the show makes her look stupid to the point where other demons take the piss out of her.
Idk maybe they will explore it in ss2 but it Charlie was just a bit more mean some issues could potentially be resolved, or fixed much faster so it would be nice to see her utilise that.
in my opinion that's the point.
in recent interview with vivziepop she said that there will be matter of who is truly redeemable or irredeemable.
Charlie is supposed to be intentionally flawed character who develops throughout the series which is mentioned by charlie's voice actress. If you think about it, how can person stuck in hell for eternity understand the concept of redemption when it is surrounded by crimes and nobody knows how to redeem even including angels
I theorize that lucifer may have been overprotective dad to charlie. I think it's more interesting to see a flawed main character that develops but i get why you may not like that..
That’s sorta the point. Charlie’s is supposed to be naive and dumb. Like, if you notice her tactics to try and redeem someone it’s very- surface level. Like trust falls and all that is very basic. Since she doesn’t know what gets a sinner into heaven, so she’s doing anything. Basically throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks
Yeah theres profanity and etc but it’s more than that it’s not what the entire show is about
Even after watching hazbin and most of helluva boss, the stories are completely overshadowed by shitty sex, drug, penis, etc jokes, and profanity.
Me when I lie:
@@pjdixon6199 it isn't a lie, it's just my opinion
I love the shows for those reason. But have a hard time recommending them to people because of the profanity.
It is, but just Greta shot at the PR.
The problem with the swearing that people don’t understand is that, as a writer, swearing should be used as a tool. Something to be used at the right time and to help emphasize something. HH and HB ignore that and overdo swearing where it’s got no substance than “ooh cartoon character said the f word”. I’m caught up on both and I can honestly say that both shows really aren’t that well written. The music is fine those parts made HH more watchable but the overall story of HH moved wayyyy too fast. HB had an interesting concept and mostly threw it to the side for romance. Which would be fine if the show was originally pitched as that in the pilot. If you like the show then good for you and more power to you
I like Richard Horvitz, but I disagree with this. The problem with Helluva Boss is not human feelings and morals mixed with violence and profanity; it's bad writing. Stella is evil for the sake of being evil because "this angry woman interferes with their gay love", and her backstory is being angry since birth; Stolas is depicted as innocent despite being a perverted freak; the relationship between Stolas and Blitz is toxic; the show promotes itself as a dark comedy about demons but turns into love drama instead. Father and daughter relationship is shown through Blitz/Luna and Stolas/Octavia, but it seems like Luna doesn't learn on her mistakes and still pushes her dad away at every opportunity, and Octavia's dad still neglects her. I wouldn't have a problem if show combined comedy and drama well, but many things seem off topic.
Cap 🎩
i dont think he watched the show
U mean the person who voice acted one of the main characters?
@@ahalfgaymeerkatand he’s the voice director for both shows 😭 these people are embarrassing themselves with how little they know about the show and yet still trying to open their mouths abt it
@@M00N_CH1LD FR like are you sure that YOU watched the show?
He doesn’t even need too. He’s the vocal director and a voice actor, so he reads the scripts and is the reason the dialogue sounds the way it does.
Cant speak to hellava boss since i havent watched it. HAZBIN, however, while I agree its about redemption it still has way too much profanity, and it glamorizes hell a bit too much for my liking. These things can alienate potential fans . Wehn using that much profanity it comes across as childish.
South Park has way more but none of y’all get mad that
“It Glamorizes hell”
It’s a cartoon bro
@@pjdixon6199 As if that refutes my point ?
It’s an adult cartoon, obviously it’s going to have a lot of profanity in it and if you can’t handle that then that’s on you.
@@pjdixon6199 that’s what I’m thinking, there are so many shows that have so much more profanity than HH and HB combined but they don’t complain about those shows.
As someone watched both shows...this is BULLSHIT. I'll give credit it's not JUST about sex and profanity BUT it does have a lot of it where I won't blame anyone for thinking that to begin with. And what fucking story? What relationships? WHAT REDEMPTION?! None of this is expanded upon in the show. Its mentioned yes, but not expanded or questioned in the show. There is no CLEAR idea of what the creator's of these shows want to tell. Look you guys can love this show by all means, but don't kiss this shows ass and say it's a masterpiece.
And what if we do call it a masterpiece? Whatcha gonna do about it? 🤨
@@pjdixon6199 Laugh at You guys?
Wait, We already did that.
@@ridwana4037 Lmao bro thinks he really did something 😂
richard did not say this is masterpiece. someone praising some aspects of the show is not the same as calling it masterpiece.
dude media literacy nowadays...