Jon Stewart Debates Systemic Racism
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Date: 4 Apri, 2022
Follow Destiny
►STREAM - www.destiny.gg/...
►DISCORD - discordapp.com...
►REDDIT - / destiny
►INSTAGRAM - / destiny
►MERCH - shop.destiny.gg/
Check Out My Amazon: www.amazon.com...
Buy My Merch: shop.destiny.gg/
#Destiny
This was the definition of woke self congratulatory garbage, holy shit that was painful.
It was kind of mean spirited too. The fact that it was Jon + 2 guests + the crowd versus Sullivan is really lopsided. I don't know anything about this Sullivan guy but he didn't even really seem like a skilled debater from this clip. Sullivan was basically just a punching bag the whole time.
@Bill Clay more of a Milo type? Lol
@@christianfox7431 not at all.
Just because you put the "woke" in it doesn't make it any less true. You're just defensive Anglosaxons have a problem saying I'M SORRY to indigenous people. They'll give Ukrainians all the money n the world but not Libya, Afghanistan, Iran, black Americans who live in their own country. In fact, a recent paper published that black unemployment costs the USA $50 billion dollars. WHITE people's pride is costing the country $50 billion dollars
@@BrandonHeat243 Sullivan is just a garbage right wing twitter personality who is famously agnostic on "The Bell Curve" and if black people are genetically dumb or not. If there is a right wing talking point, be it anti-fa burning down cities or the don't say gay bill, Sullivan carefully positions himself in agreement with the right position and then pretends to be shocked when those positions run their obvious course. He's just a male, slight more reactionary version of Bari Weiss.
I'm disappointed. I thought Jon Stewart was debating Destiny.
same :(
Exactly. It's not happening and I take that as evidence of the end times.
I would actually pay 5k to make that happen.
@@thedanieltan Then do it!!!
Destiny unironically has more claim to be in the panel than that white woman.
"If white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years." Yes, because white women took no part in contributing to systemic racism.
Less than 2% of white people owned slaves at the height of the slave trade. It was white people who actually did something about slavery in the form of abolition.
One might also want to mention some things they actually did. Like the British Empire almost ending slavery in the world.
@Steven Wolfe Not in US, apparently they still live in 18th century discussing stupid shit xD
@@Pyryp2 this is an insane thing to think if you genuinely believe this, go read anything at all
@@savagepeace So you haven't read any history yourself.
For anybody who has lived in a non western country for any period of time, this conversation/narrative is genuinely ridiculous.
What do you mean? What the perspective from other countries? I'm genuinely curious.
That's because there isn't another country with the historical conditions of the United States. It is a ridiculous conversation because racism in America is ridiculous. IDK how y'all do it in non-western countries, but there's a whole global South that considers itself part of that "west", and they have def felt the material reality of being the acceptable-to-genocide indigenous people.
@@draunt7 The global South defines itself as the West?
@@draunt7 The West is the least racist place to exist what do you mean lol. Unless I'm just misunderstanding you, because essentially every single group of people in the entire world with the only exception being white liberals in America and maybe some other Western countries have in group preferences, and the further detached from the West they become the larger their in group preference becomes.
2 years ago 1/5th of the entire worlds migrants live in the US. Anyone who thinks America is one of the more racist countries needs a reality check, tho again I might have just misunderstood your position.
@@cman7609 When I say "the west" I'm talking specifically about the Anglosphere, and maybe Western Europe/certain EU countries. If you have travelled or lived anywhere else in the world for any significant length of time, then you KNOW these countries (the people and the governments) are the most tolerant, accepting and non-racist places in the world. I would challenge anybody to find an immigrant into a western country who disagrees with this.
This convo felt like it was pulled out of 2015 in the worst ways possible. Really feels like we've made zero progress. Just sad.
Kind of makes you want to breath in your own toxic gas
That’s EXACTLY right. Jon Stewart is living in 2015.
All you do is complain
and youre still pulling content from 2015😭😭😭
you’ve been complaining since 2015
This conversation really was a microcosm of this entire discourse in the worst of ways.
its a good example of both sides are stupid and bad at talking to each other but one is at least a little more correct.
Where's the missing reply to this comment
It's kinda amazing many people claiming America is less racist then other countries so it can't be racist... It doesn't work that way. If you've spent any amount of time in the south of America you know many of these rural areas are unapologetically racist and homophobic. Just watched a documentary yesterday titled "Bully" and there was a young lesbian girl and the teachers even would talk about "we used to hang the gay kids in trees" all the other kids would just laugh and the young girl just sat there. She said she's used to it. Her parents were luckily open minded and accepting but they said all the other parents wouldn't even wave who the had known since their children were babies together. I found it quite eye opening to the high level of ignorance and hatred most of these southern areas have for people who are "different". It also helps explain how republicans still win exclusively in the south. They intentionally keep their constituents uneducated so they can get rich while fucking them over and talk about how Joe Biden is a radical socialist when he's not even liberal.. he's a fucking moderate. These people are unable to think for themselves. I feel somewhat bad for them because they are intentionally taught to be stupid.
@@idanthyrsus6887 Missing replies really. Says 3 comments but I only see yours
@@masario5832 offensive content maby? It's just weird.
How ironic that Jon Stewart is engaging in the exact nonsense he criticized on Crossfire decades ago.
yeah but you know we NEED to have conversations about RACE and WHITE SUPERMACY because no one else will, litterally NO ONE is talking about that EVER, ALL THE TIME, ABOUT EVERYTHING, we really NEED to talk about it NOW, it's VERY IMPORTANT, it's the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER
@@gountaa White people haven't been making any effort to improve racial relationship since 1776. Always has been a white supremacy hellhole and will always be the case unless we call out all the racists.
Maybe there is a meta level to it
Don't worry, he can just hide behind "being a comedian" again
Yeah, It's almost like you can change your opinions over time or something. That can't be the case though.
They say they're having a conversation, but it's not a conversation. It's a performance.
"white people need to talk about this more!"
Uh..ok, so if me and my pasty friends talk about racism, black people will get a $4k a year bump in median annual salary?
It really feels like something out of The Hunger Games or Black Mirror etc. It's very, very odd. And performance is the correct word, as it was clear that the people in the studio had no intention of actually contributing anything beneficial to anyone in the U.S.
This show was one giant virtue signal, tragic waste of resources.
Blame the dude on the TV who kept dodging and gas-lighting.
the two people in the studio are religious zealots flagellating themselves publicly to appear virtuous to other zealots.
She admitted she was a racist, then she refused to talk to the guest because hes a racist? lol
She states a conclusion without building up an actual argument to justify that conclusion. It's wild but also incredibly common by bad debaters.
@@thePANDEMlC I expect that from that kind of person, but what shocked my is how Jon Stewart agreed with her and also called the man racist.
There's a difference between being a racist and a proud racist.
she also says you are part of white supremacy whether you are in the KKK or just a normal person who thinks racism is bad. So..... what is the point of the person she is trying to convince changing anything? They'll still be white supremacists in her eyes. This sort of thinking she has is equivalent to a religion and she is a zealot. This is literally the 2nd coming of flagellants. White people publicly shaming their race and saying they, themselves are sinners (sorry, racists) and publicly lashing themselves (verbally) to make them seem more devout.
She said she's racist in the since that she enjoys the fruits that racism brings
because it's not about trying to move forward with conversations. it's about winning conversations.
I'd say its more insidious than that. There's a lot of money to be made in anti-racism circles through grants, books, seminars, and corporate training. There's a financial incentive in an ever-expanding definition of racism.
@@toadsucker6964 Yea I have made this point a lot. People don't realize how much of a grift DEI programs are or how much money they actually cost compared to their negligible benefit.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing It's fascinating that you felt the need to point that out...
@@Thanosdidtherighthing if the left has won the culture war, there's considerably more money to be made on the left side of things. When I think of huge industries like tech, it's not being run by right leaning people. The biggest media in the US is all left leaning other than fox
@@toadsucker6964 I agree but I don't know if insidious is the right word. People think they are doing the right thing by expanding the definition of racism and spreading awareness about it but don't realize they are snowballing down the hill without realize that they are watering down the word
I'm so disappointed in Jon Stewart. Cancercringe. The non-arguments, the "being white is original sin," the audience woohooning.
I hate that argument so fucking much. I only have one life, why the hell would I spend it feeling guilty for not only my skin color, but things my ancestors may or may not have done? It’s a ridiculous and NPC-tier talking point.
It's must've been the palest white chicks cheering that bs on. Employees from buzzfeed probably.
@@chrish344 You say that, but large swathes of white people do feel guilt and crave the destruction of whites. A while back, I can't remember if it was a protest, it was some BLM movement get toghether, where you had white people kneeling in front of black people, kissing their feet. You don't get a race of people to humiliate themselves like that without some serious internalized guilt and self hatred.
You know what would end racism. If we REBOOTIED the entire system and really give every a chance to make income from the ground up without the banking systems controlling anything. Then you'll see. Black people are great capitalists.
He had a conversation with Corey Booker after this. Corey, without even watching this disaster panel, really explained to him why this was such a failure- i recommend it
Thanks to everyone saying they're disappointed in Jon Stewart. Now I can save myself a half hour of losing hope
What’s your beef with Jon?
This one probably hurts the most. Colbert selling out and going full blown DNC spokesman stung, but didn't feel like it was a total surprise.
Stewart is the person who made me interested in politics. It was surface level, but the daily show is what first made me pay attention.
Stewart falling like this after what was a pretty damn solid legacy fuckung sucks.
@@Ridistrict well the group he surrounds himself seem like the type of people that were featured on sjw videos 5 years ago.
@@Ridistrict
He allowed himself to be succeeded by Trevor Noah. He fell a long time ago.
Jon Stewart is another 'woke' partisan.
Excellent head shaking rhetoric by Karen, clearly dismantling racism one head shake at a time.
I really wish Destiny could show up in a show like this. I'd pay to see that happen.
One milkshake at a time by the looks of her.
@@fairwarning007 you didn't hear ? Being extremely over weight is healthy now and a good life style and it's extremely beautiful 🍺🥴
@@fairwarning007 Maybe if she raced to her dinner it would be different for her.
She doesn't want to dismantle anything, she's making money on that shit with her dinners for rich white women.
When you watch Destiny vids at 1.5x. But he's watching the vids 2x...
dont do this, it creates mustard gas
I was doing this too haha
I slowed it down to .5, and Destiny sounded drunk.
The Jreg move if you know what I mean.
John Stewart would let his other guests talk uninterrupted for many minutes on end, but notice when Andrew talks he cuts him off after like 5-10 seconds, he can barely get a word off.
Jon Stewart has always been an insufferable and pretentious jerkwad
He’s Jewish
@@Zyphorius 💩
these conversations suck because it's just a talking point war.
but I suppose with finite time to talk and with so much to cover what else can people do?
Binder fight
eséecially when no poc were involved in the debate abou their lives ..
@@SHITSWEEEK Perhaps these conversations should be discussed critically, say in academia.
@@myname-mz3lo the point of this specific show was for white people to talk about this so I think you missed a little context.
RIP Jon Stewart. Embarrassing.
I thought he was pretty based before this conversation. It's amazing he kept bringing up historical examples while referencing white supremacy TODAY.
As bad as colbert.. I really used to like these guys now.. not so much
This RUclips video was obviously troll bombed. A controlled effort that doesn't even bother to make it look natural.
She refuses to talk with a white man that disagrees with her. "We have to treat them with grace and compassion."
It's almost as of the MSM is anti white Male. Hmmm.
"we have to talk about it, but I didn't come here to talk about it" -Karen
Destiny assumes the lady in this panel is the exception to how a representative of these ideas thinks and behaves. But she isn't, she's the rule and Destiny is the exception.
IDK about that, what I can tell is that he can't simultaneously believe that she is the exception and that the left has won the culture war.
@@TheCamps10 that's a fair point. If the John Stewart show, that represents the victorious left culture, is going to put somebody on their panel that represents their side you would have to believe they would find somebody that represents them well and isn't the exception.
Great point I've thought same thing. Also see Destiny debating on trans sports, he is voice of reason.
He’s way too charitable to leftists. They’ve totally lost the plot on a ton of social issues like racism and gender, and now these issues are entering into and infecting the scientific world through the curriculums, and things like the ridiculous anti-scientific claims and precedents being set on an international stage about the difference between biological men and women in sport for example.
100% this.
I think when youre talking about the "academic" definitions of these concepts, its simply deceitful to use words that evoke other concepts than the one you're actually referring to. You NEED new terms that dont cloud what you're actually trying to express.
Its pretty obvious now that some do this on purpose to try to ruffle more feathers, get more clicks, etc. Some are just parroting these arguments trying to do the right thing, but dont realize the issues they are perpetuating.
The academic definitions for words relating to racism have always had the Mont and Bailey effect of invoking the emotional power of the layman's version of the words, but have such a fundamentalt different definition that it could be applied almost anywhere because most systems have sone form of imbalance in power dynamics related to race. Its harmful to actually convince anyone and only works to mentally masterbate to your friends about how woke you are.
The terms behind systemic racism are good tools to understnading society, but using them in activist speech is not effective and torpedoes the convo.
It's fairly insidious because I don't think it's intentional for most academics, the nomenclature just has a way of being defined by the most politically motivated people. In history for example Edward Said's works forever maligned the term Orientalist even though his criticisms of people like Bernard Lewis were hardly universally embraced by people in the discipline.
@@Anonymous00616 Deceptive use of language is very common in academia. See James Lindsay's dictionary of woke.
@@Anonymous00616 no if you go back and look at a bunch of the sources of these academic definitions, they’re intentionally choosing to pick terms that have this type of effect. While it might be the case that other academics are ignorant to the origins of these new definitions, the people who created them absolutely know what they were doing.
The whole idea of power + privilege = racism was made up by a woman who was mad that conservatives were using the standard definition of racism to argue that affirmative action was racist so she decided to simply redefine the term in such a way that affirmative action is not possible to be racist to win debates.
This also happens in a bunch of the founding CRT essays where they’ll just make up a new concept and assign positive sounding terms for their positions and negative sounding terms for the standard liberal position.
If you accept that they’re just stumbling their phd certified ways into this then nobody should ever bring up alt-right dog whistling ever again because it’s the same type of thing.
Edit: I read your post wrong, thinking you meant most academics who come up with these terms. While I’d agree a bunch don’t, they really ought to or are being willfully blind.
@@Anonymous00616 Nomenclature kind of just sucks in every field, very rarely does logic triumph over convention, and when it does, it gets really messy and confusing as everyone in the field has to agree on the sets of definitions they use for words. Then you have situations where all the literature needs to be revised and all the experts need to learn the new set of words and definitions, given you can actually convince the experts to actually agree to change the nomenclature.
The Jon Stewart that roasted Tucker Carlson in 2004 would have cringed if he saw himself now. This was the worst possible way to handle this conversation. It comes off as him trying to over correct for the way he handled the Wyatt Cenac situation. I love Jon and his work, but he sure has started to be an ideologue around some issues.
Too true. 3v1, and an entire audience cheering on the liberal monologues. The guy could've been replaced with a powerpoint of conservative talking points, but they need the token bad white guy to call racist to accent the circle jerk.
Jon Stewart has always been fake he grifts for money it’s so blatantly obvious.
Jon Stewart was a loser back then. He wouldn't say shit because he's always been a shill for the establishment.
I’m here you can start it now
Man they've got to get destiny on one of these kinds of shows. I know they never will because he will fucking dominate them but it would be nice.
I think Bill Mahar would be open to having him on
@@dafeels3085 Only if an intern tells him. I don't think Mahar is privy to the RUclips or Twitch community.
He can't even argue back with Infrared or Hinkle of all people he'd be worse there
@@krystalmoss7390 I don’t know how you could ever think Infrared and Hinkle looked good in that debate. They were totally demolished and Infrared was revealed to be a total man child.
@@dafeels3085 Oh dont worry they all clowns. Haz looks incompetent but destiny has always passively just platformed him regardless for views. Oh and not forget his VERY inconsequential arguments toward law enforcement handles these issues to be garbage as well
Hinkle tho I dont see any real indicators of him being able to be refuted anymore than destiny did. It was like they had 5 different conversations that neither of them were able to actually connect with.
At this point if I want "entertainment" mixed in with info on bread tube I'll watch hasanabi.
Everytime once of speakers say something r worded, the crowd erupts in cheer
R word = racist?
Not exactly. The conservative guy said plenty of retarded stuff too, and nobody applauded him.
Just say 'retarted', who gives a shit.
JARVIS, gimme the "early life check" on Jon Stewart.
to be fair he fully admitted it in the beginning
@@duderino__ They don't care anymore, they feel untouchable now
Why would I ever want to participate in this conversation when everyone is just trying to get that one liner for applause
John was so close to rerailing the convo by asking for definitions on white supremacy, but we lost it again when othe dude couldn't distinguish what racist systems have today. He floundered there, but then we just time jumped into America's racial history and pretended we haven't made any progress since then. Then the woman torpedoed it with the performantive soy talking points, and went wild with it.
She immediately disengaged from the convo, and John hopped on it, was over from that point.
He floundered because he was set up. Take a look at Andrew Sullivan’s Sullivan’s substack post about it. The interview was supposed to be 1 on 1 with John and Andrew. They asked him to come on last minute and they told him that he wasn’t going to be debating 3 on 1.
@@isaacshaeffer damn, brutal if that's true, can you post a link to it?
What progress has been made since then?
@@cameronpatterson130 We had a black President, soo…
@@Goulash45 and? Your point?
The problem with discussing systemic racism is that even if past racism has caused many of the disparities that exist today between blacks and whites (which I think we can probably agree is true to some extent) we can't solve these issues by addressing racism.
The racism that matters for important life outcomes happened decades ago. The problems today are largely socioeconomic, even if they can be linked to racism at some point in the past.
So, the problem you're referring to as "racism" can't be solved by dealing with racism. And if your goal is actually to remedy these disparities, it seems counterproductive to use such morally loaded language.
That's a long-winded response to just say that you believe the only way to deal with our problems is to ignore them 💀
@@binaryvoid0101 If that's what you took from my post, I'd recommend improving your reading comprehension skills.
@@factandsuspicionpodcast2727 You're dodging just like Andrew Sullivan. Can't say I'm surprised ;)
@@binaryvoid0101 Look, if you care to engage with the argument I made, I'm listening.
If you just want to call me a racist, there's really nothing to discuss.
@@factandsuspicionpodcast2727ever notice the folks that whine about systemic racism constantly never have any practical solutions or ideas to fix it? At this point, to people like that - it’s not even about fixing anything but more just having something to complain about endlessly
Jeez man I used to have so much respect for Jon Stewart :( this made me genuinely sad
This RUclips video was obviously troll bombed 💀All the top comments (and follow-up comments beneath them) are made around the same time, have all the same talking points, with surged likes 😂
“This conversation just 9/11’d” I think that’s the funniest thing you’ve said Stephen ol’ boy!
"What's your solution?"
"White people need to talk about it" 19:00 Wow so helpful she really cares about this issue!
Yeah, it's code for "White people need to agree that they're racist", we need to have a "conversation" about it, because we haven't come to the right conclusion in her mind.
@@hunsinger Exacty. There is no communication these people only want to talk at you. She is the very definition of "Animus possessed"
They always go in circles. Almost all woke arguments are the same.
X is bad or unequal so we must fix it.
How?
Talk about it.
Ok I’m listening, what’s the solution.
get rid of everything associated with it.
How are you gonna do that?
You’re a racist!
These conversations are so god damn bad. These wealthy out of touch people make me feel unhinged. They seem so bad at just conveying their thoughts and some of them are just so rude and disrespectful. I hate all of. It feels useless or even harmful in many cases.
As a native person its pretty frustrating that the race discussion is always based around black people even when talking about history.
I listened to Dan Carlins hardcore history podcast. It was about slavery. And he said In It that the Europeans tried the Indigenous population’s over on the western side of the planet as slaves first. Then it sadly happened that the people of Africa where just (honestly don’t know how to word this without sounding like absolute shit so I’m just going with it here) hardier and better at the role of being a slave then any of the Indigenous peoples could. But I have never heard of that until I listened to the podcast. Even up in Canada where we are coming to terms with our shitty history of Residential schools, people still talk about the race history of the U.S. as the defining topic of race. At least from what I have seen and heard. I don’t have any other social media other then RUclips here so I could be talking out my ass for all I know compared to what the Canadian Twitter sphere is all about.
@@JellothePallascat yea I mean that could be true. Idk. But it seems strange that the discussion is always around black people considering natives are materially agruebly the worst off
Agreed, unfortunately people seem to get a voice when they become a “problem” for the majority. As in, they can make there presence felt through voting, or through pushing back using a big platform. I think this is why a lot of the anti racism from white groups feels quite performative, if they were truly concerned about ethnic justice there would be widespread campaigns for reparations and for giving back native lands to Nativr Americans. Instead, there is just this sort of self flagulation, it’s better than nothing maybe but it feels sometimes like it’s just rich white people throwing poor white people under the bus to look good. I wonder if an strong alliance between indigenous minorities across the world would strengthen native Americans’ political power- would be good to see
@@fifab82 agreed. Like I get why it’s that way it just suck you know.
@@gabetheguy4297 it's a numbers game, they're the biggest minority and they're not afraid to use it and leverage all the political power benefiting themselves
Extremely rich of John Stewart to lecture on racism considering how, as a boss, he treated Wyatt Cenac.
That's how Jon & his tribe roll.
Welfare didn't motivate to have kids out of wedlock, but there were welfare laws and housing based on welfare that enforced the single status of the women housed there, and their husbands would have to sneak in to see their kids, or they would lose the welfare.
Exactly. They basically had to choose one thing or the other (provide stable housing for their kids, or keep their marriage/nuclear family intact).
it doesn't "motivate" it but depenalizing it does basically the same thing.
if you have many reasons for not doing something there's always a certain portion of people that will not do it based on only one reason.
and when you remove a reason not to do it the portion of people that decided based only on that reason will start doing it.
it's like when that one city made shoplifting a misdemeanor and shoplifting skyrocketted, the people that weren't doing it based solely on the possibility of being arrested started doing it. I don't remember what city is was right now but you can look it up, people made videos about it.
no one "motivated" them to do it but depenalizing it has the same effect.
Well I get why you want to make the destinction but I think effectively they lead to the same outcome.
@@CrestOfArtorias Yeah but for different reasons.
The 1st implies it was done on purpose.
The reality of it is that's just an outcome of (cutting pork).
Why can't the dad be there? Because if he is that means we're taking care of a grown man we demand that he makes at least (insert sum of money). Why can't the dad make that much? Low skilled jobs got tossed out of the window due to technological advancements now a population that made most of an underpaid, undereducated lower class has no means to make the bare minimum.
I think it was a Thomas Sowell point that drives this home about unions being bad for the black community because they lost the ability to willingly be payed less for a job. (Most strike breakers were black people during the the 1920s)
@@tarfielarchelone2674 A fair point to be raised.
So in this context "Academic" means doublespeak for political activism.
It means making logical connections to a point beyond reason. In the same way, you can reach anti-natalism if you just follow a logical throughline, even though anti-natalism is clearly insane.
Yup, it almost always is. I once had someone call me a Nazi because I didn't like post modern art, it turns out there's some obscure academic belief that "(anti-postmodern art)ism" is rooted in Nazism because the Nazis also did not like post modern art.
@@jordanknight336 that's not really academic reasoning
@@camdavis9362 Well, it was a lot more complicated than that. I just summarized the conclusion.
Academic reasoning is becoming problematic as people as peer review isn't checking for validity like it used to. One paper can be cited by 32 others without anyone checking the first's validity. Other papers then cite the 32 which then buries the bad research.
On his take on privilege he perfectly explains why white privilege isnt a thing: its just a way for people to not have to recognize their financial privilege
How does being wealthy means white privilege doesn't exist. Use examples and resources.
Okay, your number one warning sign that Jon Stewart doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about is citing Ta-Nehisi Coates as an "expert" in the field of racism. The only thing Coates is an expert in is finding racism where none exists. He was once described as a "pornographer of race," a description so apt that I think it encapsulates perfectly just how intellectually bankrupt and dishonest he is.
Who described him that way tho....was it other right winged races... it probably were
Coates is pretty good at writing technique and his run on Black Panther was pretty solid. The man works so much better when he is being positive than negative.
@@JohahnDiechter lol apparently accurately describing American culture is being negative
@@cameronpatterson130 I agree, but Coates goes too far by engaging in mind reading.
@@cameronpatterson130 Go touch grass. Every comment chain there you are bleating "murica bad" "wypipo bad". We get it dude. You think White Americans are the root of all evil. I hope for your sake you aren't White, that would be really sad.
People like this have no intention to fix the problems with policy… if they fix the problem their whole field of study and livelihood disappears. Its just a grift..
They never proposed any action or solutions, Stewart keeps bringing it back to "why is that way?" and that doesn't help anyone or get us closer to action, we already know Jon
Well we just need to keep talking about it, sweaty.
As an immigrant, we don’t come to America because they are nice people, we come because you pay well. Economics has nothing to do with morality.
I don't think blacks and whites will ever be completely at ease together within the same country. The cultural, historic, and probably genetic divides are just too big. I think the discussion of amicable balkanization needs to enter the mainstream at some point.
Power and privilege we hold as white people. We'll duh this country was created by European settlers so of course it was made for Europeans, thats why we speak English and why we have slang words and food from other European cultures. Africa holds black privilege and China has Chinese privilege. I what are we actually talking about here?
10:07 it’s also a motte and Bailey. People who use white supremacy to describe the us today *want* that word to have the same impact it had when it described people in robes burning crosses, but they also want to be able to broaden the definition so that it encompasses practically anything that could be said to “uphold the system”.
I'm white skinned and I'm 3 tribes of Native American(Cherokee, Blackfoot and Potawatomi), Irish and Russian.
Everyone of them had long histories of received racism and forced slavery.
But that's ignored when I talk to people who claim to care about the suffering of minorities.
Natives where nearly exterminated completely in the US. Most of the tribes where completely erased from America, they where raped, sold into sex, sold into labor, expelled from society, put on camps, eradicated from their own land, had their country stolen from them and still live under their oppressors control to current date(United States Government)
Many natives where skinned alive, culture stolen from them, religious practices outlawed and forced to live on low income camps that the US government dictates their entire existence called reperations(reservations) and if we leave that confined area the few rights we have been given back no longer apply.
It's morally corrupt.
When I say reperations did nothing I mean nothing!
The United States Government control and own stolen land that they should have no claim to. It's not theirs to control or their land to dictate laws.
If reperations mattered, Natives would be given back the land they are the rightful owners. Natives actually care about the natural environment and have a deep connection with it.
It's beyond explination
Ill always love Jon Stewart, but this is a tough look
I've lost a huge amount of respect for him
@@Paradox-dy3ve Me too - used to disagree on some stuff but he seemed to have a brain. Wow those woke-worm have truly burrowed deep into his brain!
You loved him when his mindset was framed in the context of comedy and satire. This is who he actually is. Christ he's 59 now and talking and thinking this way. He has had TIME to become uncringy, empathetic, mature, and lead a nuanced and productive discussion of the topic. Instead he's doing this shit. He is grift.
@@muskepticsometimes9133 Agreed, Racism doesn't exist and only woke people think it does.
@@ucheobiekwe2287 racism like pedophilia does exist. But wokers n Qanoners are both crazy
They both have paranoid delusions about something that is bad. But does not give them right to make stuff up or do bad things.
"You can't pretend we are the same as in the past" Yes . . . Yes they can destiny, they do it all the god damn time.
Do the facts say otherwise?
@@cameronpatterson130 yes? they do. blacks aren't slaves anymore and if you think they are you are out of your damn mind.
I didn’t realize systemic racism ended when slavery ended. I guess redlining didn’t happen. I guess the studies showing racial discrimination persisting in the lending market or housing market or criminal justice system are all false because you say they are.
Citation?
@@NothingElseMattersJM civil rights laws? Reduction is prejudice by all objective measures?
This is standard CRT-cult crap. Say modern times no better than 1850's Alabama. The basis is faith that racism pervades every part of US always.
This is the type of stuff that turns people into conservatives. So disappointed with Jon Stewart
well conservatives are nice, so good.
@@Niptonian9551 so are liberals
I honestly thought when Jon came back onto the political scene that he'd be the voice of reason.
I was very wrong.
@@NickNoobles oh come on, John Stewart was your nicest guy and look what he's up to now.
@@Creamage it’s ironic, his show is named “the problem - with Jon Stewart”
Very disappointed with Stewart. He was completely hostile, and flat out lied to defend that cow calling the guy on the screen a racist.
He’s a Jew, figure it out
*Liebowitz
Destiny, 2x speed is not acceptable for these videos, we can't all have the meth brain, 1.5x is relatively acceptable for normal high functioning individuals. This isn't vaush or demonmama bloviating with a bunch of nonsense words here.
Just play it on 0.75 then if you can't keep up. It's not like you're watching live.
To the contrary, the whole conversation was nonsense.
Waiting impatiently for whatever August has planned for editing the /r/place stuff
Truueee
I've always seen the argument about systemic racism as bullshit. Destiny's explanation of what it is was the first time I actually found the concept reasonable.
Every comment the woman makes gets seal claps. She will never consider her ideas when she's validated every comment.
22:00 - "I grew up with single parent and turned out fine" has the same ring to it as "This guy smoked 20 siggarets a day and lived to be 105!!"
Ok, that's not data, just one case.
Destiny's point about the academics who study systemic racism needing a new word is absoloutely correct.
We already have a valid meaning for the word "racism" in common parlance and it is "prejudice/discrimination against someone based on their skin colour/racial background".
If you want to widen this concept, as the lady in this Jon Stewart debate does, to now include ALL subconscious racial bias, ALL the systems built upon/influenced by racism and our participation in them then you lose the ability to call out the thing that actually caused the issue in the first place: prejudice/discrimination against someone based on their skin colour/racial background. For a demonstration of this, the lady says "all white people, including me and the KKK member are ALL racist".
We are witnessing the destruction of a concept, a powerful tool that we need to fix these issues. And it is being done insidiously by people who appear to be otherwise well-intentioned because they claim to want to highlight systemic issues. But all they actually want to do is beat people over the head with the very bad no good racism label. But then again, I wouldn't expect anything less from academics who are influenced heavily by post-modern philosophy (see Focault). They believe that everything (especially language) is fundamentally about power and control- not truth. So I would go further in my analysis of these types of people and say that they are not just making an innocent mistake but they are purposefully evil.
they're not even talking to that guy, just talking *at* him and pretending to know what he thinks
I've lived in the hood for a good chunk of my life and ill say there are a LOT of people of all races that don't want to work, have kids for a bigger check/ more bedrooms on the HOC voucher, child support, and over all get more benefits without the need to work as well a bigger per child tax credit that you get regardless of how much is paid in.
Which hood is this? I know maybe 5 people who don't actually work and I lived in the hood for roughly 24 years.
@@tarfielarchelone2674 baker st south west Baltimore MD, I stayed on Benning st south east DC as well but I was on the street then.
@@tarfielarchelone2674 it's like 3 blocks from where they filmed "The Wire" and I wouldn't say I was friends with but acquaintances with trey chainy until he went to Georgia, made a few anti white statements and I kinda blew up on him and cut ties.
I don't understand Jon Stewart's role in this? Is it really just to score brownie points with his target audience? He's not even attempting to engage in a "discussion" with the one right leaning panelist... It's just strange and sad to watch how much the left in America has become a circle jerk. I'm kind of glad I left the country when I did and I'm definitely glad I stopped being "politically active" or at least "woke" jesus... the amount of cringy online liberal screeching I used to do...
Shut up
Kudos to you for having self-awareness and evolving.
The way she responded to him accusing her of anti white racism was wild. she says I didn’t come on the show to argue with white men about racism.
I don’t get why some white people can’t get how this looks. You telling someone they all upholding the worst kinds of racisms and when they accuse you of hating white people , you respond “YES!”.
I find myself having bits of empathy for these conservatives who come up against these people. I’ve never looked at my life thru this kind of lense . “Why is this policeman pulling me over?” “rACISm! ?” “My headlight was out but imma go with racism!”
Police officers profile, and sometimes you fit the description. But give me a white officer over a black one any day.
The absolute state of white women in the West.
Something scary I noticed about how this whole conversation was organized, is the need to have someone on a platform who can be vilified.. have tomatoes thrown at them and labeled as racist/ignorant. They brought this one guy on a panel against 3 other panelists and essentially the roar of the crowd opposing him. Fully agree with destiny on how he presented his arguments.. asking "What systems are in place today that represent white supremacy" vs "What systems are in place?". The latter (especially in today's climate) get's immediately construed as being ignorant of all potential systems across ALL history. Just thought that it was telling of today's climate that they bring one guy in to get absolutely shredded from all angles and be the perceived example of the bigot or the bad guy.
Like destiny on that Jesse panel?
@@tarfielarchelone2674 Except not everyone at that panel was laughing at Destiny, most of them were trying to understand where he was comin from and then explain to him where they were comin from. If your goal is to teach people how to convince someone with an opposing viewpoint to change their viewpoint than you've failed at that by mocking and publicly shaming them for their viewpoints.
@@lancevance6346 They out here trying to get folks to have straight up Pavlovian responses to opinions. No filter through your own judgement, no nuance, just A to B.
@@theprofesionalist7927 it's less for the panelists and more for the viewers. The crowd was definitely not there to here his point of view.
@@theprofesionalist7927 you wanted stewart to pretend theres no system of racism ever or now.
Sullivan messed up by forgetting to ask what “current” systems are there in the white supremacist mold. He wrote a good piece in response to his appearance here
This was a kill stream for east coast upperclass boomers. I am almost glad I am seein mr Stewart pissing on his legacy as it removed my nostalgia goggles on his previous work.
If holding up the system makes you racist, then wouldn’t everyone be racist?
That is the point
@@magusd123 right. But she’s specifically aiming it towards white people and doesn’t seem to realize that it would apply to everyone.
This daily dose of Destiny is really, really good man, i'm getting used to it.
@12:40 This is also a misframing of what Andrew said, he didn't say there wasn't white supremacy, he said it is not a white supremacy country TODAY
1:02 Holy shit her fucking face when Jon Stewart referred to her as "the resident white woman" my god.
So sad to see Jon Stewart turn into reverse Bill Maher. But the seeds were always there.
Ha! just as Maher retreats from woke cult, Stewart goes all in. The dork side of the farce.
We need to come up with some politically correct insults.
@@xamphibiax we will need to use extreme caution with what pronouns we use...
Call them Hasan Viewers
@@xamphibiax don't forget irony, we need plenty of irony.
@@crazykubla Irony is racist, mysogenist double speak though.
@@CrestOfArtorias Yes! Thanks for reminding me, double speak, we will need that also.
The original video is sitting at 10K likes vs 28K dislikes (you can use a chrome plugin that hits the API to see them).
I love RUclips Destiny so much, he can finally say what he wants to say without getting banned
4 white people having a conversation about how important it is to have conversations about black issues and in the end coming to no conclusion or plan to move forward in the future. Classic white rich liberal political discussion
11:26 I'm glad Destiny comments on this because I would say he is probably much more knowledgeable on redlining than the average American but not only is he wrong in his dates, but in the scope of the type of resolution that would need to happen to undo the damage that redlining did across the country. Redlining wasn't just a law, it was a practice of steering capital, human resources (real estate professionals) and environmental hazards (landfills, highways, etc.) towards certain communities and away from others.
In order to give those communities justice, imo you would have to do a range of things, from trying to equalize the large differences in land and home values, provide alternative infrastructure and investment to remediate some of the polluting factors, and shifting processes that would give these communities more power to avoid these practices from ever happening again. The changing of the law on the books is honestly one of the weaker things you could do to reverse some of the outcomes from these racist practices. What is truly need are strong and resilient institutions that will fight to make sure things actually happen to resolve the issues, and those are often hard to develop if their existence and effectiveness means the burdens of one disempowered group having to be recognized and shared among the general populace.
No. Majority of people in red lined hoods were white, like 80%
Echo hazards in these areas because land cheaper there.
Equalizing property values does not make sense. Cheap hoods cheap for a reason, crime location etc.
What do you think the community reinvestment act was?
You’re talking as if the red lined areas were purposefully undervalued in order to drive black people there. The reality is these areas just happened to be the worst and least desirable areas and that is why they were chosen for redlining. Its like you are suggesting that if enough money is invested in the Midwest then the properties will be worth as much as they are in Beverly Hills.
@@michaelvigil3436 partially true but really it was the black people themself
@@muskepticsometimes9133 A majority of those living in redlined communities may be white in 1935, but a generation later, those demographics change radically. The people who can get housing elsewhere do, and those who can't are stuck in neighborhoods slowly losing resources.
Eco hazards in these areas because the people who live there have no power to stop them; land may be cheaper based off of whatever plans local government has for the area already.
This is a bit circular. Cheap hoods cheap for a reason, but somehow the fact that we make the land cheaper because of who lives there (and what we think that means) and because of a collective refusal to allow lending to allow those people to improve their areas doesn't play a significant role?
@24:25 the problem is the 70% of black families are in single family households, I might need to be fact checked but I'm pretty sure it's not even 3% of this number is incarcerated..... There's approximately 600,000 black men in prison, and around 20 million black men. So a huge proportion of these families did not lose fathers from incarceration.
I want to preface this with my opinion that like, I personally don't take any of these people seriously, I don't think they're good representatives, but I do kinda disagree with a couple points Steven made, which I condensed into these :
(i) On the conflation of individuals being racist, and systemic racism, to the best of my knowledge Systemic racism doesn't presuppose that there are no racists that exist within a society, it just says that, there need be no racists in order for the system to perpetuate itself. Meaning there's still some room for discussion about racism manifesting in individuals, in those types of discussions, it's not necessarily a contradiction.
(ii) I also don't agree that we should solely blame academics for the misunderstandings that occur. While I do think that when we discuss race issues, we need to spend more time discussing other things like, the idea of color blindness, or questioning American ideas of Meritocracy, and Individualism, I do truly think Americans just have a narrow understanding of bigotry, which Destiny points out himself, but he doesn't take the step of saying like, that's a problem in it of itself, and we shouldn't placate those ideas a lot of the time. While academics do need to get better at presenting ideas, the reality is in a lot of these online spaces some people already do that and they still get push back, just like the conservative in this video. I myself have had, dozens of conversations were people still push back on these ideas even though I'm not playing into academic jargon or anything of the sort. These conversations really do just need to happen more often irl for these things to be understood.
I think that's it, I generally understand where Destiny comes from and most of his frustrations though, I do agree, like, I said academics do need to get better at presenting ideas, and we generally need to focus on other things besides history when having the conversations.
Would you agree that for some of these topics we can only dumb them down so much? I think some of the frustration I have as a lefty is that it's always seem incumbent on us to change the way we speak about things and not of the opposing side.
I agree as well that we need to message better but at the same time a lot of these topics can't just be a 5 minute sound bite; sometimes we can only cut it down to a 2 page paper.
Also I think there are just too many people now on the opposing side that are just not going to engage just because. Destiny knows this but still seem to want to blame the left on pushing these people into those corners which has in general was never really the case for most topics.
@@Coryameta If you cant manage to express an idea in a way thats understood by those who need to hear it your idea is useless.
@@Coryameta Yes, I do agree, the whole point of even having a debate or conversation is that two (or more) sides are willing to put effort into understanding one another. That is often lacking the further right you go, though not all the time(as well as in some segments of the left tbh).
The difficulty in discussing the topics is really that there are overarching topics, as well as tangential topics in the peripheral that feed into the main one, and a lot of time in these online talks and debates, they focus on very specific issues, especially in debates because most of the time you as a debater who has done your due diligence on a specific topic, are incentivized to constrain the conversation in order to get your win, that can limit growth as a whole, as well as a host of other issues.
I don't think I mentioned it before in my original but it struck me as odd when he mentioned that, the "left won the culture war" and I thought that was such a non-point, and ironically a bit terminally online from Destiny, because essentially what happened in that Jon Stewart segment was a really crappy rerun of mid 2010 online political debates, and that's likely what we will continue to see, which is very likely to produce a chilling effect on the conversations themselves and so, I thought about this idea of the left winning this thing we've dubbed the culture war, and it doesn't stand for much; this is literally what we have always done, it just feels different because of the internet. It's important to grasp what that actually does for us and it isn't much, unless these conversations keep happening(which we'll need to improve the quality of for sure) winning the "culture war" won't amount to anything, and that is currently what's happening essentially, at least here in America. We have the Desantis bill in Florida, all the CRT bills being passed and those lies being perpetuated, as well as all the anti-trans legislation being passed all over the country. "Winning the culture war", doesn't really feel appropriate when you consider all this conservative and right leaning pushback we're in the middle of. It's absolutely correct that there are tons of people who are not willing to engage in these topics, and that can be a big problem in the future, for sure.
@@Coryameta i think the problem is when there ARE people willing to engage like the conservative dude on the show, they talk to the worst possible interlocutors on the left
8:57 When he said that Obamna, I really reevaluated my positions
Jon's just doing what he's always done. Rides the bottom edge of the issues for easy ratings.
A sludge surfing grift grinding para-social detritus slider who Nickelodeon SLIMES boomer con talking points.
He's always been a hack.
Jon Stewart did great. The dude on the TV, though, ruined it for everybody. He kept backtracking and gaslighting. So embarasssing.
Lets skip the talking points and get to the meat and potatoes w/gravy of the issue: what brand of chair is she sitting on? That is some fine craftmanship.
What an unproductive conversation.
I believe every child has the right to a stable family with more than one guardian. I don't care if it's a mom and a dad, two dads, two moms, three moms and a granny or a village. Rearing a child on your own is possible but not an ideal situation. The more positive role models the better.
Jew shaking the jar.
The comment Destiny read about the intended audience is spot on. A phrase like "dismantling white supremacy" isn't for clarity. The fact that "white supremacy" conveys ideas of KKK burnings is a feature, not a bug. It's a rallying cry.
The conversation has devolved to an unsalvagable point.
That's why we can see violence breaking out.
Only when the food starts missing and the lights dim
@@onionfarmer3044 yep
I pray we resort to violence so the right can finally take over
jon acting as if all the black ppl here are a result of the trans atlantic slave trade and there aren’t a shit ton of black folk who’ve immigrated here in the past 100 years
Lisa Bond - Resident White Woman
Great edit work by August on this one
Could you play that any faster? I can almost understand it.
10:48 - But not every white person in America is powerful and privileged. You're not gonna convince me that the average Appalachia poor Whites are 'privileged'.
Destiny should ask some of these people to come on and talk to them.
Andrew Sullivan was inarticulate the entire debate. Whenever someone asks me to present proof that systemic racism exists and where I have locked I am immediately prepared to share studies for them to consult and the reaction is always the same: unprepared. They are caught off guard because they never ask the question in good faith.
You wouldnt mind sharing these studies with me would you?
i was right to not watch the initial convo because i was sure it would be shit. and it was. holy crap those people have no clue what they are talking about. very disapointed with John on this one. thank you Destiny for the vid and your analysis with which i mostly agree. btw, slavery was a thing from the dawn of humanity sadly because we are a primitive species and we fail to understand that working together offers the best result in the long run.
This is why I watch Destiny he's the voice of reason.
Only comparatively.
When destiny is the voice of reason, you know the world is a complete dumpster fire
Mostly. For voice of reason I go watch Adam and Sitch.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Destiny is a hack.
"I think the solution is that we need to engage people into these types of discussions, on a daily basis." - Quote from lady that just 2 minutes ago said, "I am removing you from this conversation, you're done speaking now."
Do these people listen to themselves?
Anymore, Destiny is the only person I have the patience to hear a liberal perspective from
*neoliberal
likewise. i disagree with him, but i don't sense any ill-will or bad faith.
7 more years of Joe Biden. Get used to it!
@@jacobmistake3281 I always considered the woke left neo-liberals
Have you spoken to a black person about their experiences?
If Aryans are so bad, then why do all non- Aryans go to all Aryan countries 🤔🤣?
Didn't know that Iran was being flooded with immigrants....
I'm not the guy who goes commie this, commie that, but the continuation of the culture war is strait out of maoist thought and theory. It's the constant revolution and the push forward. There is no end goal.
It's delusional of Destiny to think the culture war is "won". The left absolutely has an upper hand but to say that "systemic racism is widely recognized as real" is delusional. Same for every other social left wing point. It sure as shit wasn't won for trans people and now they're trying to roll it back for gay people too in Florida.
I love that both the left and right can't stand Jon Steward's guts anymore.
I have always belived that it's importent to hear/watch/talk to people with other opinions than mine, im on the right but close to the middle, (according to danish political standards) I started watching Vaush and Destiny for about 2months ago, after watching/hearing Vaush in 4 different debats i could not do it anymore, Destiny i enjoy, i do not agree on some points on others i do, but i find him easy to listen to. Which Vaush is not, in my opinion of course.
That lady said all white people should have these conversations of race regularly. No I shouldn't, I don't have time for that. I got bills to pay, work to do, and I want to go home and relax. I don't want to sit and talk about race nonsense all day, I just don't.
When did Jon Stewart get so lame?
“Structural systems of systemic institutions”