One of my favorite guests. Would love to keep seeing him on. I feel like Huey’s formal poli sci education meshes super well with destinys wiki warrior style. Like there’s a lot of novel analysis that I don’t hear from pundits
I'm proud that a fellow Han person, but particularly one that was born and raised in mainland China is able to speak so freely and is willing to disagree and oppose the PRC.
@@dxelsonbecause the CCP is so anti free speech that they will literally try to get native dissenters in other countries. They actually attack free speech unlike the people who whine about losing their social media accounts crying about having their free speech taken away.
Yeah the last interview was like an interesting deep conversation about different topics and then randomly my half drunk uncle would jump in with his opinion
@@reallivebluescatthat was different though. Mao was a peasant who became a spiritual leader who accidentally became an actual leader. He and his close allies never had the capability to even collect technical information much less parse or act on it. Meanwhile the CPC today is an extremely well educated, bureaucratic machine with legit economists and scientists. Whether Xi is being fed misinformation is dependent on his circle of trust. This is more similar to Putin and Trump than Mao.
There were rumors/leaks that Putin’s military advisors were scared of accurately describing the state of their military equipment and their military capabilities. It makes sense if we look at the military tactics in the early days of the invasion. They thought that they could take Kiev in 3-5 days, and the whole Ukraine in a week. When one dictator holds all the power, the best way to climb the ranks is to tell the dictator what he wants to hear
After the far-right fallout, Destiny talked about how the Bridges podcast has difficulty finding direction. However, I believe this episode and the previous one light up a path. The bridge that is built is not between the left and right, but between experts and the every day person.
Bridges really shows how serious Steven can take this stuff. The crap load of questions, at the ready. It's not like "Anything else" with Dan that feels like a fly by hip.
I also want to add that Huey is right about being trained to know what to talk about and not, in China. I remember talking to some kids around 13 in an English Language training center when I first got to China. We were talking about something political but not overtly sensitive (at least not by my standards, as an American) and one of the boys got scared somebody would hear us and ran to the window to shut it. At only 13 years old, to have that reaction, was telling
I hope that the metrics for the podcast meet or exceed whatever y'all need to keep it going. This is quickly becoming the Steven Bonnell content I most look forward to
🎉❤ Suggestion for the algorithm. Chop up the 1 slong video into segments. Release in playlist so each segment gets the views, likes, comments. Just suggestion. 🎉 👍🏽
Great talk, thanks for that! I do wonder, what they'd think about the swiss system? No real president (there is one, but it changes everyyear and is more of a "everybody else has one, we need one for state gatherings and stuff" president), but a council with seven members, a wide array of parties and a population that can vote on about everything if need be. It seems to work decent enough (I may be biased, since I'm swiss and live in switzerland), but it does have its negatives.
love this guest, @Destiny let him speak a little more, give him a little more time to formulate thoughts and responses when you ask about something. Oh and overall thanks for this interview it was great, keep up the great work!
If only the media opposing the CCP in America can see the big picture and join forces to have a round table discussion to inform the public of the serious threat the CCP is to their own people.
RE: 16:00 - What Dr. Li should have clarified is that the US is a particularly politically-saturated environment. Americans are very aware (to a degree many of them resent) of various divergent opinions, scandals, and talking points. The average American may not remember all of these offhand, but they are roped into this political environment. China, by contrast, tells most of its citizens to not care about politics unless engaging with foreigners. Within a domestic context, the CCP basically strikes an agreement with local population saying, “We’ll improve your economic outlook if you don’t contest us politically.” And this creates a largely apolitical Chinese population.
17:02 the point Huey is trying to make here, maybe he didn't say very well, is that "people will be drawn towards Dave Rubin but also people will be drawn toward Destiny," but I think Destiny misunderstood and thought he meant different people will have pulls on individuals and the individuals will arrive at a balanced position. I think it's more correct to assume that collectively there are pulls in different directions and collectively things arrive at a balanced position. They kinda go back to this at ~30 mins
Destiny. Please. The 80's and 90s in San Fran.... I was there. It wasn't the fact that we had benevolent regulatory agencies. It is because we shipped all of our production to China. Considering they are having the problems we were expecting to have. It shouldn't be much of surprise. I can actually remember people talking about it while it was happening.
Li is talking from a pure activist perspective, if you are just a regular dude living in China most of the things he mentioned doesn’t affect your daily life one bit
The social credit system is being piloted in certain areas in China, but is not nation-wide yet. But regardless, they can definitely still do things to stop you from getting on trains and using other services as peoples ID's are linked to basically everything: payments, social media, even video game accounts (I had to use a friends ID to play World of Warcraft in China). Even saying something politically sensitive on an online game could potentially land you in a lot of trouble.
People are right when they say we shouldn't dumb down arguments and statements. As Destiny said, people selectively use knowledge to strengthen their point, if we give into simplifying things we just make it easier for deception to prevail. German laws about people not knowing the laws, not saving them should be implemented into social norms. Just because you're dumb on a topic doesn't allow you to argue about it, like wtf. I always find it funny when Destiny's in a discord debate and instead of taking 3 seconds to google something on their machine they choose consciously to stay uninformed or propagandist.
5:25 not true, The idea that yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is illegal is a legal myth. The quote is often attributed to Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, but it was used as an analogy in the 1917 case Schenck versus United States. The case was about a man who was charged with violating the Espionage Act for speaking out against the draft.
Chinese controlling is kinda delicate, not like the literal 1984 style and you do have a lot of freedom to post something on internet as long as you're not a public figure. And even if you are, like if you are a gay influencer, you can say a lot of things, even about the frustration that you can't marry, but if you say "let's gather and have a social advocate" you'll be in trouble. I don't think CCP has any homophobic tendency, but it is very sensitive to anything is potentially related to social adovocate. So if you're not very political, in so many cases you can't feel the control. Controlling also contains algorithm, it's not that obvious. They didn't put a lot of people in jail, but they made a national level protest totally disappear from public discourse.
Nice conversation. Ask the guest more questions cause we get so much repeats from you while not enough new input from the guest. For people not doing long form we need more of them and less from Destiny. The flickering lights don't help with encoding and quality.
Maybe its just me but the angle destiny is sitting makes the light hit his nose in a way that looks like his right nostril has a wicked booger hangin out. Im pretty sure its the angle and the light but it could be boogie or im just trippin lol
with the Trump potentially not defending Taiwan..., congress can force his hand. Congress has the power to declare war. Trump has a serious ego and is obsessed with his legacy, he would not want to be the president that surrenders in a war.
Destiny I just want to say, whatever you intended bridges to be, this show is amazing. Please don’t end it.
And don’t let Dan touch it, which would be tantamount to ending it lol
One of my favorite guests. Would love to keep seeing him on. I feel like Huey’s formal poli sci education meshes super well with destinys wiki warrior style. Like there’s a lot of novel analysis that I don’t hear from pundits
I'm proud that a fellow Han person, but particularly one that was born and raised in mainland China is able to speak so freely and is willing to disagree and oppose the PRC.
But why are you proud?
@@dxelsonbecause the CCP is so anti free speech that they will literally try to get native dissenters in other countries. They actually attack free speech unlike the people who whine about losing their social media accounts crying about having their free speech taken away.
@@dxelsonBecause there's kinship duh.
Because its rare@@dxelson
Yeah he would be gone if he goes back to china lol
Glad this guy came back solo
Fantastic guest, and a great conversation. This is what Bridges is all about. THANK YOU ERUDITE FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
Can't wait for this, he was such an insightful guest in his last appearance
is this a bot comment?
@@opensocietyenjoyer He's been on the show before
@@opensocietyenjoyer i commented this before the premiere. i mean beep-boop.
@@opensocietyenjoyerUnless it’s an incredibly high end bot, their messages seem to indicate they’re a hooman.
It’s nice that we get a one-on-one talk with Dr Huey Li.
why? where do you know him from?
oh nvm, you mean one on one as oppsed to one on two, got it
I would have liked to see what she would have said at a couple points, great conversation regardless.
@@PedroTrickingbecause the last time he was here he was paired with another guy that ruined the discussion
Yeah the last interview was like an interesting deep conversation about different topics and then randomly my half drunk uncle would jump in with his opinion
We really need a RUclips channel from Dr Li! One of the best guests so far
Couldn’t click on this fast enough. Probably my favorite guest both times!
I never really thought about dictators being surrounded by misinformation but it makes quiet a bit of sense.
Mao is a perfect example
Its because dictators don't want to be told no so the guys surrounding them are constantly lying to them.
The emperor has no clothes.
Trump is a good example. Everyone who stood up to him is gone. All replaced with extremists and sycophants.
@@reallivebluescatthat was different though. Mao was a peasant who became a spiritual leader who accidentally became an actual leader. He and his close allies never had the capability to even collect technical information much less parse or act on it.
Meanwhile the CPC today is an extremely well educated, bureaucratic machine with legit economists and scientists. Whether Xi is being fed misinformation is dependent on his circle of trust. This is more similar to Putin and Trump than Mao.
There were rumors/leaks that Putin’s military advisors were scared of accurately describing the state of their military equipment and their military capabilities.
It makes sense if we look at the military tactics in the early days of the invasion. They thought that they could take Kiev in 3-5 days, and the whole Ukraine in a week.
When one dictator holds all the power, the best way to climb the ranks is to tell the dictator what he wants to hear
After the far-right fallout, Destiny talked about how the Bridges podcast has difficulty finding direction. However, I believe this episode and the previous one light up a path. The bridge that is built is not between the left and right, but between experts and the every day person.
This one was so good.
👍
Bridges really shows how serious Steven can take this stuff. The crap load of questions, at the ready. It's not like "Anything else" with Dan that feels like a fly by hip.
Well done Dr Huey Li, this was a joy to listen to. Great insights
Hadn't heard of this guy before the last time he was on, but I really enjoyed hearing from him and I'm looking forward to more here!
I also want to add that Huey is right about being trained to know what to talk about and not, in China. I remember talking to some kids around 13 in an English Language training center when I first got to China. We were talking about something political but not overtly sensitive (at least not by my standards, as an American) and one of the boys got scared somebody would hear us and ran to the window to shut it. At only 13 years old, to have that reaction, was telling
This guy is consistently on point, his takes are nuanced and solid. Bring him back asap!
Another great interview with Dr Huey Li. Wish he could be on more often
The comment section to these episodes are always some of the most positive I’ve ever seen.
Yay. I love this guy. I hope he has a place in content making after TikTok is gone
Huey Li if you see this I’d love to see more long form content from you. Favorite guest so far!
Dr. Huey Li is so interesting please invite him more often 👍🏻
wish this episode had more views. very interesting episode and a great guest. i hope bridges can maintain this level of conversation and guest.
Excellent episode Steven!
This Chinese guy is very likable. He should be a regular guest
I couldn’t agree more. Such a refreshing change of temperament from the usual trash
@@RedOlympus you took that in a negative direction lol
@@sammyismuff watching his previous guests, it just makes me so sick
what do you like about him?
@@RedOlympus I don't understand your perspective
One of the best, if not the best so far.
Talking to Destiny as an ESL person should be the final test to get S-tier listening comprehension.
Nah that’s actually Xqc
Can Dr. Huey Li become a regular?
I love how he doesn’t try to say things he’s not sure about / doesn’t have strong thoughts on. Brings out the best in Destiny too
Finally this guy alone
I hope that the metrics for the podcast meet or exceed whatever y'all need to keep it going. This is quickly becoming the Steven Bonnell content I most look forward to
Compared to most of it, i.e. screaming at people online and/or malding (with good reason) about Hasan, it's incomparably better.
It’s funny to witness normal smart academics react to the crazy online cesspool of conspiracy theorists
I’m so happy to finally have normal academics enter the popular commentator universe
oh such a good anti censorship take from Huey Li
Great episode! One of my favs
When he said “they’re older than you think” I was expecting one of the kids to be 30 or something lol
I love this guy.
I think an episode where you deep dive more into China from a normal citizens viewpoint would be interesting.
Awesome!
Dude seems like a nice guy, smart as hell too. Good to see him on Bridges
Great convo!
Excellent discussion.
This was a great podcast. Destiny, you should definitely make use of Dr. Li's offer to come back on the pod at a later time!
I'm only half way through so far but what a brilliant episode and guest!
Very interesting
Thank you🙏🏿
Omg I love dr.huey
Great guest
Loved this interview!
The new intro is very nice. :)
Great podcast! Love me some Dr. Huey Li!
Amazing guest.
I love Huey and would love to see more of him and Destiny together.
Never stop inviting him
On annotations. The fact his work well apart easily from the annotations shows their value.
Great convo
🎉❤ Suggestion for the algorithm. Chop up the 1 slong video into segments. Release in playlist so each segment gets the views, likes, comments.
Just suggestion. 🎉 👍🏽
Frickin cool conversation
So good❤
Great episode
Very nice.
Weird flickery lighting behind Li's head. Looks like some auto-adjust thing
Great talk, thanks for that!
I do wonder, what they'd think about the swiss system? No real president (there is one, but it changes everyyear and is more of a "everybody else has one, we need one for state gatherings and stuff" president), but a council with seven members, a wide array of parties and a population that can vote on about everything if need be. It seems to work decent enough (I may be biased, since I'm swiss and live in switzerland), but it does have its negatives.
Steven "Do you play videogames?" Destiny Bonnell.
My current theory to counter disinformation is the government monitoring algorithms for social media
intro music is so nice
Gone are the days - trevor kowalski
interesting guy, nice episode. thx!
love this guest, @Destiny let him speak a little more, give him a little more time to formulate thoughts and responses when you ask about something. Oh and overall thanks for this interview it was great, keep up the great work!
i love this
love it
UC Davis represent
I love him
Did August just not feel like time stamping after 15 minutes
Oh yeah this guy was cool
If only the media opposing the CCP in America can see the big picture and join forces to have a round table discussion to inform the public of the serious threat the CCP is to their own people.
How come no Kyla, did she get caught up in Candian/Russian drama as well?
She could be busy
@@Mmmmmatttt I was at the DNC when this was recorded :)
@@BridgesStudiowe missed you! Thats cool you went to the DNC, though😎
Massive upgrade when you got rid of the note pads and tablets
Description doesnt seem to have tiktok/instagram links?
👏🙂
Very interesting
RE: 16:00 - What Dr. Li should have clarified is that the US is a particularly politically-saturated environment. Americans are very aware (to a degree many of them resent) of various divergent opinions, scandals, and talking points. The average American may not remember all of these offhand, but they are roped into this political environment.
China, by contrast, tells most of its citizens to not care about politics unless engaging with foreigners. Within a domestic context, the CCP basically strikes an agreement with local population saying, “We’ll improve your economic outlook if you don’t contest us politically.” And this creates a largely apolitical Chinese population.
Someone send this to Second Thought.
17:02 the point Huey is trying to make here, maybe he didn't say very well, is that "people will be drawn towards Dave Rubin but also people will be drawn toward Destiny," but I think Destiny misunderstood and thought he meant different people will have pulls on individuals and the individuals will arrive at a balanced position. I think it's more correct to assume that collectively there are pulls in different directions and collectively things arrive at a balanced position. They kinda go back to this at ~30 mins
Destiny. Please. The 80's and 90s in San Fran.... I was there. It wasn't the fact that we had benevolent regulatory agencies. It is because we shipped all of our production to China. Considering they are having the problems we were expecting to have. It shouldn't be much of surprise. I can actually remember people talking about it while it was happening.
Li is talking from a pure activist perspective, if you are just a regular dude living in China most of the things he mentioned doesn’t affect your daily life one bit
I like erudite. But I think this pod works better, for the most part, with just destiny.
you messed up the audio at the end for ground news sponsor
Damn, he legit sounds afraid when he talks about the CCP
Rightfully so. As someone said: Don't ask are you paranoid, but are you paranoid enough? As they are out to get you.
Your lowly country?
The background part at the beginning was a slog, ngl. This convo got so much more interesting the longer it went.
Some destiny piano into, nice
Dear God Mr. Bonnelli here is exhausting.
The social credit system is being piloted in certain areas in China, but is not nation-wide yet. But regardless, they can definitely still do things to stop you from getting on trains and using other services as peoples ID's are linked to basically everything: payments, social media, even video game accounts (I had to use a friends ID to play World of Warcraft in China). Even saying something politically sensitive on an online game could potentially land you in a lot of trouble.
There are literally forums on chinese social media dedicated to people complaining about the government lol
@@DeRo2397 Tell me how to get there and see. Because I can't believe they are explicitly criticizing the central government.
Glad tiny read some Fukuyama. For the lulz
These episodes are wayyyy better when it’s just Destiny
People are right when they say we shouldn't dumb down arguments and statements. As Destiny said, people selectively use knowledge to strengthen their point, if we give into simplifying things we just make it easier for deception to prevail. German laws about people not knowing the laws, not saving them should be implemented into social norms. Just because you're dumb on a topic doesn't allow you to argue about it, like wtf. I always find it funny when Destiny's in a discord debate and instead of taking 3 seconds to google something on their machine they choose consciously to stay uninformed or propagandist.
Where's your host?
5:25 not true, The idea that yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is illegal is a legal myth. The quote is often attributed to Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, but it was used as an analogy in the 1917 case Schenck versus United States. The case was about a man who was charged with violating the Espionage Act for speaking out against the draft.
Chinese controlling is kinda delicate, not like the literal 1984 style and you do have a lot of freedom to post something on internet as long as you're not a public figure. And even if you are, like if you are a gay influencer, you can say a lot of things, even about the frustration that you can't marry, but if you say "let's gather and have a social advocate" you'll be in trouble. I don't think CCP has any homophobic tendency, but it is very sensitive to anything is potentially related to social adovocate.
So if you're not very political, in so many cases you can't feel the control. Controlling also contains algorithm, it's not that obvious. They didn't put a lot of people in jail, but they made a national level protest totally disappear from public discourse.
Lysenko was the Alex Jones of his time
where's Erudite?
Nice conversation. Ask the guest more questions cause we get so much repeats from you while not enough new input from the guest. For people not doing long form we need more of them and less from Destiny. The flickering lights don't help with encoding and quality.
He's used to talking for hours on end as the center of attention, I reckon it'll take some time to adjust to this format
Maybe its just me but the angle destiny is sitting makes the light hit his nose in a way that looks like his right nostril has a wicked booger hangin out. Im pretty sure its the angle and the light but it could be boogie or im just trippin lol
I wonder if there anyone who just watches bridges but not destiny
UC DAVIS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
❤
with the Trump potentially not defending Taiwan..., congress can force his hand. Congress has the power to declare war. Trump has a serious ego and is obsessed with his legacy, he would not want to be the president that surrenders in a war.
growl @ 1:19:06/7