@@Lightning_aus I was looking at the ADS-B data and I think there's going to be plenty of blame to go around on this one. I think the only one that was truly innocent was the commercial pilot. He was on the IFR flight path pretty much perfectly, according to the IFR charts. We'll have to wait and see what the AIB says.
with the location of the pilot in that video it looks as if he ejected and the plane went positive vertical and then stalled out, the pilot is clearly behind and below at the start of the video
there is more than enough thrust for these jets to pull out of a stall. they can even hold their own weight and gain speed from 0 holding position in the air. either there was a major failure on the pilot's part or the jet stopped working for some reason. Maintenance and Pilot are in for many months of questioning.
@@geronimo5537it will try to keep you out of the stall yes, but when the plane is at pattern altitude you don't have the vertical space to pull out of a stall. I think it was a flight control computer failure. The plane was at nearly full thrust when it hit the ground. I think he lost control of the jet, ejected when it departed controlled flight and it did the rest on its own
As an Egress guy myself, congrats to all the Egress guys/gals who worked on and serviced that seat, enjoy those beers. What we do matters and saves lives
Another great breakdown Mover, unfortunate events like this will always ruffle peoples feathers one way or another. First and foremost, I’m glad to hear the pilot managed to eject safely and hopefully something can be leaned from this to prevent future mishaps once the AIB concludes. As always, thanks for the analysis given the limited information.
You hear the engine die as soon as it hits the ground, It sounded like it still had power until impact. Its most likely a flight computer/controls failure the way it has departed flight like that. Hell, I wonder if the 35 can have a static/ram air failure. Looking forward to the swiss cheese diagram on what caused this.
that's what I'm thinking as well. unexpected and Un commanded flight control inputs? although that usually doesn't happen at the end of a flight. I'm thinking of the B-2 that crashed on takeoff from Guam.
@@bluestraw4060 If you watch it in slow mo, it looks like they are deflecting somewhat. Though its hard to tell because of the video quality. If the commander's press release is anything to go by, the jet was heading back with a problem and it either deteriorated or caused loss of control when it got to the airfield. Flight control systems are multiple redundant and you would think wouldnt result in this happening but... there doesnt seem to be any bits missing. So what else could it be? maybe loss of hydraulic power? that could explain how it was able to make it back. Hydraulic leaks usually dont cause instant and total loss. Its usually a gradual loss in pressure with every movement. Not sure. All we can do is speculate.
The reason for the seemingly synchronous loss of engine noise could be because of the camera's audio AGC (automatic gain control). I.E. it figuratively slapped it's hands over it's ears when it heard that big sound.
Flight controls was my specialty when I was in. That could happen on an older flight control system, but not on a modern design. They are almost always quad redundant. If it was flying fine the whole flight up until this point I highly doubt it’s a flight control failure. The only times I have seen a flight control issue on a quad redundant system that caused flight problems it was always someone entering data incorrectly in various ways. Like CG data or calibrating a pitot error when there was water in the probes *cough* B-2.
It sort of reminds me of the JAS 39 Gripen crash in Stockholm, August 1993. It too went from simple forward flight to just fall straight down like a leaf with no forward motion. That was caused by error in the fly by wire system and the flight computer. Glad the pilot got out in this one.
Heard it described as "The software code arrived at a place where there was no instructions on what to do" Might be the same. That thing just stopped flying and fell to the ground.
As I understand it, there was an element of PIO, pilot induced oscillation. Same as the first crash. Also the same pilot. As it came out of a gentle slow left turn, the nose dipped and the wings rolled a few degrees to the right. This was then followed by the opposite, nose up left roll. Then again low/right, after which the nose went almost vertical and the airspeed dropped to nothing. This was when the pilot ejected. The oscillation looked really weird to me. Had it happend ten fifteen seconds earlier, I might not be here to type this comment...
@@Torgrim5958 I write code. I had just such a bug once, Was a hardware fault corrupting IO addressing. It sure can happen. I know there are supposed to be 4 computers but...
Holy Crap is right, I was hoping you were going to give your input into this, you explain what the aircraft was doing and when something horrible went wrong I will really be interested in what happened, and so happy to hear the pilot ejected and was safe from getting hit or land in the debris. Thank you Mover.
As always THANK YOU Mover……. You get many requests because you make these break downs in a clean, unbiased, professional and easy to understand first look. GOD Bless our military 🇺🇸 and Martin-Baker 🏴
God bless Your military? Which military are you referring to, Sir? The one who is completely incapable of defeat the Houthis? With all due respect, Sir, but the whole world laughing at your military, and not only that.
@@aralaX_K right there was 3 F35 accidents this year alone!!!! 1 fell off a carrier in the black sea ok not this yr! and another fell off a carrier outside chinas doorstep! the VTOL variant bunny hopped and crashed recently the dude was just a few feet off the ground too and was only at base FFS!!! This plane is notorious for being shite that even their own Americans make fun of it!! The navy dont want it and its notrious for being on the ground more than the air!!!! And this proves it!!!!! The plane wants to be on the ground!!!!
@ You need to upgrade your knowledge. They've only lost 11 airframes since 2006 with approaching 1,000,000 flight hours flying in service all around the world.. 1 loss in 2025 1 loss in 2024 1 loss 2023 3 in 2022 1 UK loss in 2021 2 2020 1 Japan loss-only pilot fatality 2019 1 loss 2018 During the 3 years of 1991, 1992, 1993 there were 112 F-16's that were lost. hence the nickname the "lawndart".
It's kinda funny to read the comments on other videos from self-proclaimed experts stating with confident certainty that it was a VTOL failure. The video title clearly states it's an Air Force base and a F-35A. They must be relying on their experience flying the F-160 Raiju.
The other jet would have been at least about a mile away and would also likely have gained a fair amount of height from the airfield by the point of impact. I've been witness to an airshow featuring one of these things doing maneuvers at extremely low levels in the UK while it flew over the show ground while I was at my folks house around 3-4 miles away. The engines were rattling the windows it was that loud. That said, as soon as they'd gained height and were not throttling up, you couldn't hear them half as much. The noise at the start could have been either. But, by the time it was about to/actually hit the deck, the only noise would've been from it, as, as you quite rightly point out, is evidenced by the relative silence after the impact.
Sound stops about 2 seconds post impact approx. 1/3 of a mile from the camera. 6 seconds to the mile. I agree it had to be the crash birds engine noise.
True, but look how far below the plane that chute is, fully deployed, and with how fast the plane was dropping. My initial thought was that it was somewhat vertical when they punched out. Pilot goes out horizontal, plane keeps going up and then falls, which would explain the erratic looking spin and little to no "forward" airspeed
Cost per airplane is what exactly? Mishap percentage rate even at 11 per still too high… F35 DOC’s per hour isn’t even in the reasonable rate… 2lbs of shit in a 1 pound bag is a better analogy…
@@adrianmadden2207 In 1988 the F-14D cost $78 million each. That's $207 million in today's dollars. $78 million times 144 aircraft is $11.2 billion dollars lost due to accidents, along with 68 aircrew killed. That's $30 Billion in today's dollars. The F-35 costs an average of approximately $90 million dollars. $90 million times 11 aircraft lost due to accidents is about $990 million dollars, with 1 pilot killed. The F-35 has the lowest accident record of any American fighter since World War 1. What accident rate is acceptable to you?
@@frugalaudio The accidents stats are for 633 F-14s over 34 years vs approximately 1,100 F-35s over 14 years. BTW in 11 F-35 accident loses, 5 were F-35A, 5 were F-35B, and 1 was F-35C.
It's not even 100 million. They are pretty much lying about the price. If 2 trillion supposed cost for 2000 crafts is true ( over it's lifetime) then it's price is 1 billion...
The plane propably gained alltitude after ejection. The straight down tumbling of the plane kind of suggest that the plane only had vertical speed when it stalled. At least something like that.
No way the F-35's computer would let the plane come to a point in it's envelope where it would stall. This has to have been a catastrophic system failure
We will see what comes of the AIB but I wonder if something went through the engine on the final suddenly killing all thrust. The fact they never declared an emergency or anything means it happened quick. Just an uneducated hunch. I’m sure we’ll hear about it.
Possible bird strike? Last year at the Traverse City cherry 🍒 Festival. Blue Angel number 5 had a bird strike in the middle of their show. Thankfuly, he landed safety. It made for a long night for their maintenance crew. They had to fly from Michigan to Pensacola and back to Michigan to have number 5 back up and running for the Sunday show. In case it wasn't ready by show time they put number 5 on jet number 7 and took off. Number 7 had some sort of issues he had to come in and landed hoped in the original jet number 5 and completed the show. By late Sunday afternoon all seven jets were back up and running for the blue angels to depart for their next show.
It will if the pilot thinks the auto throttle is engaged but isn’t. Remember that something similar happened with an F-35C on approach to the carrier a couple years back.
@@MavHunter20XX I encourage you to watch the MIT lecture on the F-22 Flight control system. These modern fighters are designed to be downright hard to fly badly.
as long as the pilot is safe. my country lost an F16 last year, sensor broke, FBW could not maintain stable flight, pilot eject safely... these are complicated machines.
I thought about messaging you about this but figure someone else already did. Still crazy watching how out of control that jet was, glad the pilot made it.
God help the maintainer who recorded AND posted this before the flames were even put out. Buddy just got the entire flightline hours of reaming and extra training
Computer malfunction for sure. The computer decided to do something wonky, pilot realized he is going to die unless he pulls the handle and here we are. "the computer says no"
The lack of forward movement is strange. Objects in motion tend to stay in motion absent an outside force acting on the object. The appearance of the plane at an altitude higher than the pilot in the parachute is likely that the pilot pulled up when he realized he was in trouble to gain some altitude and ejected before the plane reached the altitude before it dropped like a rock.
Newton resulted in some bad physicists and aerodynamicists. It's an unstable FBW aircraft. There are a whole raft of reasons for zero airspeed. Unfortunately there is insufficient video showing what happened earlier in the chain of events. The pilot may have ejected inverted. The aircraft may have performed a loop after the pilot left the aircraft. There are several non-obvious causes of why the aircraft is above the pilot.
First of all, thank God the Pilot didn't try to take the USMC commandant suggestion that the pilot should have kept troubleshooting; instead elected to eject. So I'm seeing comments saying, "Unlikely the aircraft malfunctioned, must have been catastrophic, like FOD engine ingestion." Well, they need to look at all the previous F35 mishaps. While it could have been a bird to engine interaction, there are instances where it's the jet malfunction devoid of outside influence. One thing to think about, this is in the one of the coldest parts of the USA, during the coldest seasons, I wonder if its a frozen AOA sensor.
Is this the same commandant that relieved Del Pizzo? Also - sensors, man. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the failure of one was causal in this incident. My father did some work for the space program and he’s got lots of stories about faulty sensors crapping the bed.
@@ModernVintage31 SO I finally saw the AIB commentary by CWL on the Hill AFB F35 crash. It says it was cause by wake turbulance. Also stated MAC departed controlled flight. I wonder.
I don't think I've ever seen real-world video of that kind of departure. I mostly associate it with something like clipping a mountaintop in a sim that doesn't model destruction of the airframe in collisions. In any case, when I see it in simulator flights, it usually results from events that would break up the airframe or bend it beyond recognition IRL. How on *Earth* did that happen in the pattern???
I guess FBW is far beyond the ability of most to understand. The aircraft is unstable by design, and can do things you wouldn't think an aircraft can do, and requires the FBW to make it stable. Hence weirdness like this where there is a FCS failure/fault/problem.
When the video first popped up for me I thought it was an R/C aircraft at first losing power and being pushed by the wind. The fireball killed that idea. Just damn. I'm glad the pilot was able to punch out.
Wow. I've never seen an aircraft fall out of the sky like that. They normally keep the same attitude or they are in a flat spin. Never seen any rolling while falling straight down.
I thought the same thing, and thought it was very weird it wasn't moving forward at all, with what sounded like more than enough engine thrust to do that. I just thought after typing that line, maybe it's possible that if there was some type of complete control malfunction, the controls were all in a position to slow/stop any forward movement, and/or just make it roll like it did.
@@bobsurgranny Pretty sure the AFB reported the crash officially. So.. not ai. "nobody notice[s]" because it is a very real video of a jet crashing. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Exactly my thought. Yeah, that canopy is designed to open *NOW* , but he was WAY below the AC, under a full canopy, falling apparently in close proximity to the dead bird. Almost like he was going straight vertically (maybe stalling out already) when he ejected, and the plane just gave up all aerodynamic lift right after he got out. I mean, weirder shit has happened (Cornfield Bomber), but still...
I’ve had it with the F-35 hate I’m seeing on other channels discussing this….as if other jets don’t crash. If you look at mishap rate per flight hours, the F-35 is one of the safest combat aircraft ever. If you think this crash is a reflection of the F-35, do everyone a favor and go look at the mishap rate for the F-16 from 1978-1983 (its first 6 years in service). Or look at the rate of F-14 crashes from 1974-1979. You can’t even imagine the rate for the older century series aircraft. Perspective people. Jets are complicated machines. Flying a high performance jet is dangerous business and - as William Sherman would say- “there is no use trying to reform it”
Btw, I’m not directing this at you mover…I’m posting here because yours is one of the more popular of the sites I’ve seen this reported on. And it’s not the host../its people in the comments lamenting that we should have just bought more F-16s since the F-35s “keep crashing”
@@michaelrunnels7660 Just as a update? Including all airframes lost in total? That number is now up to 13 lost. However, EVEN counting the airframes lost due to pilot errors, and not some failure on the F35? We still at this right now: More than 1000 F35’s made now. That’s more than Typhoon/Eurofighter, more than Rafale. Accident rates: (Class A rates) F15: 2.36 per 100,000 hours F-22: 5.49 per 100,000 hours F18: 2.84 per 100,000 hours F16: 3.45 per 100,000 hours Harrier: 11.4 per 100,000 hours F35: 1.33 per 100,000 hours
Martin Baker blows me away. IDK what their success rate is, but I think the only unsuccessful one I know of was that one you talked about where maintenance had been delayed 3x. That's not MB's fault IMHO. Also, the speed / reaction time of you guys (fighter pilots) always amazes me. seems this sh*t can happen in an instant and it's amazing how many ppl in these situations make it out alive. Much respect to MB and fighter pilots.
I believe Bronco Juan speculated that the pilot might have pulled straight up before ejection (to gain altitude), thus eventually showing the jet above the successful chute, and falling straight down. Makes sense to me.
Base Commander said aircraft experienced a malfunction. What could possibly cause the pilot to be underneath the aircraft after ejection at slow speed in the pattern?
Right...that's something kind of weird to see the chute at much lower altitude than the falling aircraft. Guess we'll have to wait for the accident report on this one. Edit: Wanted to add that maybe with a Zero-Zero seat if there's adequate altitude and ejection is inverted it doesn't fire the rockets to correct and gain altitude? I'm not up on my ejection seat parameters.
Constructive criticism: When commenting on a video like this, FIRST play the video COMPLETELY THROUGH so we can see it uninterrupted, THEN go back and play it and pause and comment, resume play, pause and comment, etc....this makes for happier viewers because many of us haven't seen the original video until now, and want to see it run straight through before watching it for three seconds at a stretch between commentary.
You realize what you're asking for would put his entire channel at risk from copyright strikes, right? There's a reason most RUclips channels, that are older than a couple of years, do commentary/reaction content without playing the original content uninterrupted and in full.
Jet was probably going vertical as pilot punched out and went above the pilot, stalled, then came back down. Could have been the pilot pulled up to gain altitude to increase chances of ejection survival.
Was waiting on this video....Mover made the video 9hrs ago! 🤣🤣 Always keeping us informed, with pure facts and never speculation or bias. . Its the reason we're all here. Now I'm waiting on the following videos..
I think that prominent engine noise is his. It cuts out after impact at the same time the impact sound gets to the observer. Remember what you see and what you hear will not be synced up because of distance. Impact noise then engine noise stops.
When I first saw this video, with no context, I thought it was just a B model that gave up the ghost and threw its pilot out before turning into a fireball. It wouldn't be the first time. When I realized it was an A model, I think my brain melted trying to figure out how it could have possibly gotten into that situation. I have no idea how you go from flying around the pattern to swinging under a chute as the jet falls from the sky beneath you like a brick. This AIB will be must-see Mover TV when it comes out in 6 to 9 months.
Working on 35s, i dont see how pilot error could ever result in such a violent departure. And i also dont see software being the issue either, my only current assumption is a flight critical controller lost electrical power (not signal bc for every controller or computer there are secondary redundancies for *signal* for said components) from distribution to the controller
I saw a report that they updated the FCS code, after the F-35 went "missing" after the Pilot jumped out, to avoid an aircraft flying around for an extended period.
I’ve been waiting to be able to see your take on this. Your explanations are so helpful. Frankly, watching that thing roll made me sick to my stomach. Looked like a paper airplane.
One of my gaming buddies is an F35 maintainer at Eielson, he's smart and not saying anything about the incident. but he did suggest that the person who recorded and posted this video so soon might experience "a sudden and rapid transition to civilian life"
For what it’s worth, we saw an F-35A Lightning II at SUN n FUN Lakeland Florida last year cut her performance short due to technical issues. I’ve heard they have a bad reputation for a higher than average failure rate.
Hum, not heard they have some high failure rate. More than 1000 F35’s made now. That’s more than Typhoon/Eurofighter, more than Rafale. Accident rates: (Class A rates) F15: 2.36 per 100,000 hours F-22: 5.49 per 100,000 hours F18: 2.84 per 100,000 hours F16: 3.45 per 100,000 hours Harrier: 11.4 per 100,000 hours F35: 1.33 per 100,000 hours So, not only is the F35 is the best-selling fighter in 40 years? the airframe loss rate looks to be the lowest we can find. And more amazing? Well, they lost none during the testing phase. And the F35 also has escaped the so called “bad” early years in which we often see high crash rates. So, for example the bad “early” year for the F16? They had a whopping 17 F-16 crashes in ONE year! (1982). And even more amazing there are more F35’s flying now than when that bad early year occurred for the F16. And even the fan favorite and loved F15 Eagle? They saw eight (8) in one early year - 1978. And from 1995 to 1996, 10 F-14’s were lost. From 1991 to 1996, I believe the total is 30 F-14’s lost. The F35 not really had that "worst early year", and given that over 1000 F35's been made - that's more than any newer 4th gen jet right now. To put it mild? The F35 clearly by HUGE margins has been shown to be one of the most reliable new fighters ever built, and most safe in terms of pilot’s fatalities. So, you may have "heard" about some issue with the F35, but based on above numbers? The F35 has turned out to be by a considerable margin, one of the safer fighters made, and this includes both airframe loss rates, and pilot fatalities. Not at all bad for a fighter program that cost less to develop then the F16 program, and with a lower lifetime program cost then the F16 program.
@@stanants8566 Quite true. And unfortunately, a few airframes from the military are lost every year, including other airframes. However, I thought it was prudent to point out that the F35 certainly is not near top of the list for crash rates or lost airframes. Hence, that was my motivation for sharing current stats on this issue. However, the F35 does tend to make the news when one goes down, since it has a narrative of being rather expensive fighter. However, a F35 is less cost then say a new F15 right now........
That’s what a modern, inherently dynamically unstable jet without its flyby wire does… I’m going to speculate that they lost the flight control computers.
0:39 This is why I never bother contacting you or Juan when I hear about something in aviation because I know for a fact that if I've heard it, so have you. 🤣
'your Approach and Landing software trial subscription has ended and needs payment ' and credit card funded by a grant gets cut off the night before by Commander in Chief signature.😂
Thanks for your take. I think we are all pretty much thinking the same thing, but it is good to hear from a professional in the field that the thoughts are pretty much the same thing... "It should not be flying like this."
When I first saw the footage I couldn't believe what I was watching, it just looked so unreal and unnatural the way it fell vertically down with zero forward motion.
And thanks to my KC-135 maintainer brothers for always being ready to record on their unauthorized cell phones!! 😂
Whoever posted this video, should be arrested and court-martialed.
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The IMC is happy to replace it 😂
AP reported it suffered “significant damage” in the understatement of the week.
Before or after merging with its own shadow?
"rapid unscheduled disassembly"
Yeah I see "significant damage" and I'm thinking it was a landing gear collapse or something, not a full test of Earth's gravity.
Damage limited to the entire airframe?
AP reported what the air force stated.
When an A model wants so badly to be a B model, but fails miserably.
Yeah right!
I don’t know if I should 😂 or 😭 from that comment
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Now I like that to see with wanting to be a C version
I thought for sure this was a B, how the hell...
"It should not be flying like this." It wasn't flying. It wasn't even falling with style. It was just falling.
I see what you did there Woody
MiG-15 style. (2nd gen craft).
Nice glide racio
@@HDSME Ratio*
It's flailing
Another f-35 crashes, then a military helicopter crashes into a commercial aircraft in DC. Damn the military is having a fantastic week.
Wait! What? 😳
@@kalanafdo-x4k Blackhawk just struck a jet in Washington DC...
@@kalanafdo-x4k yeah black hawk crossed in front of a crj on approach into DC and had a midair
@@Lightning_aus I was looking at the ADS-B data and I think there's going to be plenty of blame to go around on this one. I think the only one that was truly innocent was the commercial pilot. He was on the IFR flight path pretty much perfectly, according to the IFR charts. We'll have to wait and see what the AIB says.
In December two women on FA- 18?? training flight through the Cascades near Mt Rainier flew into a mountain; took several days to locate them.
with the location of the pilot in that video it looks as if he ejected and the plane went positive vertical and then stalled out, the pilot is clearly behind and below at the start of the video
Another channel supposes that the pilot was still able to control the aircraft enough to go vertical to get more altitude to eject............
@chriscummings4206 and perhaps in an attempt to control post-eject trajectory of the aircraft to avoid collateral.
there is more than enough thrust for these jets to pull out of a stall. they can even hold their own weight and gain speed from 0 holding position in the air. either there was a major failure on the pilot's part or the jet stopped working for some reason. Maintenance and Pilot are in for many months of questioning.
@chriscummings4206 Yep, I saw that too.
@@geronimo5537it will try to keep you out of the stall yes, but when the plane is at pattern altitude you don't have the vertical space to pull out of a stall. I think it was a flight control computer failure. The plane was at nearly full thrust when it hit the ground. I think he lost control of the jet, ejected when it departed controlled flight and it did the rest on its own
As an Egress guy myself, congrats to all the Egress guys/gals who worked on and serviced that seat, enjoy those beers. What we do matters and saves lives
& AFE!
The ejection seat is one of those things you hope you never need, but pray that it works if you have to use it.
I was a Navy PR 76 to 85
@@sirclarkmarz
What Squadron ? AMH here,"75-81"
@@wyateerp1 VF-121, VAW -88 and VF-301 and a lot of time that AIMD paralloft Miramar .
The Air Force thanks the cameraman for the great footage and then rewards them with an Article 15. 😂
"I was just crowd-sourcing an accident investigation."
Another great breakdown Mover, unfortunate events like this will always ruffle peoples feathers one way or another. First and foremost, I’m glad to hear the pilot managed to eject safely and hopefully something can be leaned from this to prevent future mishaps once the AIB concludes. As always, thanks for the analysis given the limited information.
You hear the engine die as soon as it hits the ground, It sounded like it still had power until impact. Its most likely a flight computer/controls failure the way it has departed flight like that. Hell, I wonder if the 35 can have a static/ram air failure. Looking forward to the swiss cheese diagram on what caused this.
that's what I'm thinking as well. unexpected and Un commanded flight control inputs? although that usually doesn't happen at the end of a flight. I'm thinking of the B-2 that crashed on takeoff from Guam.
has to be something that is or leads to flight controls failure. you can see those surfaces aren't moving an inch when they have every excuse to
@@bluestraw4060 If you watch it in slow mo, it looks like they are deflecting somewhat. Though its hard to tell because of the video quality.
If the commander's press release is anything to go by, the jet was heading back with a problem and it either deteriorated or caused loss of control when it got to the airfield.
Flight control systems are multiple redundant and you would think wouldnt result in this happening but... there doesnt seem to be any bits missing. So what else could it be? maybe loss of hydraulic power? that could explain how it was able to make it back. Hydraulic leaks usually dont cause instant and total loss. Its usually a gradual loss in pressure with every movement. Not sure. All we can do is speculate.
The reason for the seemingly synchronous loss of engine noise could be because of the camera's audio AGC (automatic gain control). I.E. it figuratively slapped it's hands over it's ears when it heard that big sound.
Flight controls was my specialty when I was in. That could happen on an older flight control system, but not on a modern design. They are almost always quad redundant. If it was flying fine the whole flight up until this point I highly doubt it’s a flight control failure. The only times I have seen a flight control issue on a quad redundant system that caused flight problems it was always someone entering data incorrectly in various ways. Like CG data or calibrating a pitot error when there was water in the probes *cough* B-2.
"The aircraft is at a very unusual attitude." Fuckin' LOL.
Vertical Landing
Martin-Baker wins again. Now he gets a snazzy tie.
Unless different company made seat.
"The Brits are a Clever Lot!"
It's a watch ... or have they been a victim of cost cutting?
@@jaydeister9305, cheers bro
Tie, patch, certificate, tie pin, and membership card, with optional watch at pilot cost.
I was waiting on this vid from you. So much deeper than everyone else's.
It sort of reminds me of the JAS 39 Gripen crash in Stockholm, August 1993. It too went from simple forward flight to just fall straight down like a leaf with no forward motion. That was caused by error in the fly by wire system and the flight computer. Glad the pilot got out in this one.
Heard it described as "The software code arrived at a place where there was no instructions on what to do"
Might be the same. That thing just stopped flying and fell to the ground.
@@Torgrim5958always update your jet to latest firmware before each flight
As I understand it, there was an element of PIO, pilot induced oscillation. Same as the first crash. Also the same pilot.
As it came out of a gentle slow left turn, the nose dipped and the wings rolled a few degrees to the right. This was then followed by
the opposite, nose up left roll. Then again low/right, after which the nose went almost vertical and the airspeed dropped to nothing.
This was when the pilot ejected.
The oscillation looked really weird to me. Had it happend ten fifteen seconds earlier, I might not be here to type this comment...
maybe he stopped for a windows update .... P.S. - Movie reference
@@Torgrim5958 I write code. I had just such a bug once, Was a hardware fault corrupting IO addressing.
It sure can happen. I know there are supposed to be 4 computers but...
Gotta love how far martin-bakers seats have come, heard the pilot sustained little to no injuries from the ejection.
That was the most bizarre looking crash I think I've ever seen. To see Mover baffled by it too reinforces to me just how truly strange this was.
I watched the footage. It kind of felt as if some giant hand that was holding the aircraft above the ground simply let it go.
Holy Crap is right, I was hoping you were going to give your input into this, you explain what the aircraft was doing and when something horrible went wrong I will really be interested in what happened, and so happy to hear the pilot ejected and was safe from getting hit or land in the debris. Thank you Mover.
As always THANK YOU Mover……. You get many requests because you make these break downs in a clean, unbiased, professional and easy to understand first look.
GOD Bless our military 🇺🇸
and Martin-Baker 🏴
Did the pilot sound tense before the ife or is that normal noise?
God bless Your military? Which military are you referring to, Sir? The one who is completely incapable of defeat the Houthis? With all due respect, Sir, but the whole world laughing at your military, and not only that.
@@aralaX_K You're babbling nonsense.
@@aralaX_K right there was 3 F35 accidents this year alone!!!! 1 fell off a carrier in the black sea ok not this yr! and another fell off a carrier outside chinas doorstep! the VTOL variant bunny hopped and crashed recently the dude was just a few feet off the ground too and was only at base FFS!!! This plane is notorious for being shite that even their own Americans make fun of it!! The navy dont want it and its notrious for being on the ground more than the air!!!!
And this proves it!!!!! The plane wants to be on the ground!!!!
@ You need to upgrade your knowledge.
They've only lost 11 airframes since 2006 with approaching 1,000,000 flight hours flying in service all around the world..
1 loss in 2025
1 loss in 2024
1 loss 2023
3 in 2022
1 UK loss in 2021
2 2020
1 Japan loss-only pilot fatality 2019
1 loss 2018
During the 3 years of 1991, 1992, 1993 there were 112 F-16's that were lost. hence the nickname the "lawndart".
The engine audio cuts out pretty dramatically after impact. It doesnt trail off.
Yup.
True that. That usually happens with a RUD.
It's kinda funny to read the comments on other videos from self-proclaimed experts stating with confident certainty that it was a VTOL failure. The video title clearly states it's an Air Force base and a F-35A. They must be relying on their experience flying the F-160 Raiju.
the Video is of a F-35A having a VTOL failure
In this case, you must mean Velocity Took Over, Launched into deck.
@@graveperil2169 F-35A don't have VTOL...
@@xfreedombuckO5x That explains why it's having a VTOL failure. :)
Comments are from video game boys living in mommie's basement.
The jet engine noise was from the crashed fighter, not from his wingman, as evidenced by the abrupt cessation of the noise upon impact.
The other jet would have been at least about a mile away and would also likely have gained a fair amount of height from the airfield by the point of impact.
I've been witness to an airshow featuring one of these things doing maneuvers at extremely low levels in the UK while it flew over the show ground while I was at my folks house around 3-4 miles away.
The engines were rattling the windows it was that loud.
That said, as soon as they'd gained height and were not throttling up, you couldn't hear them half as much.
The noise at the start could have been either. But, by the time it was about to/actually hit the deck, the only noise would've been from it, as, as you quite rightly point out, is evidenced by the relative silence after the impact.
Got to be the engine noise from the crash jet because it stops instantly when it hits .
Sound stops about 2 seconds post impact approx. 1/3 of a mile from the camera. 6 seconds to the mile. I agree it had to be the crash birds engine noise.
Another wild theory about the parachute being below the plane: maybe it was rolling out of control and when he punched out it was inverted.
True, but look how far below the plane that chute is, fully deployed, and with how fast the plane was dropping. My initial thought was that it was somewhat vertical when they punched out. Pilot goes out horizontal, plane keeps going up and then falls, which would explain the erratic looking spin and little to no "forward" airspeed
@@RobertsWorkbench2023 my thoughts exactly
@@RobertsWorkbench2023that would also help explain the zero airspeed if it pulled up into a stall.
Flashed the B firmware on the A model.
I head someting about Full system blackout... sounds like BSOD =)
LOL. the crazy thing is, you might be right...
Saw another channel make a video on this today… said to myself, ahhh I’ll wait for C.W Lemoine🤣
I said the same thing last night! I knew Mover and Ward Carroll will fill us in with reliable commentary.
Mover, Mooch, and Blancolirio. The go-to sources. Thank you gentlemen.
@@Jaybird563 CW or Blancolirio!
Nice breakdown Mover, thank you
F-35s have a 1% Class A mishap rate (11 aircraft). That's quite a bit better than the 23% Class A accident rate for the U.S. F-14s (144 aircraft).
Facts never matter to sensationalists, though. People who believe the plane is a failure are never going to change their minds
Cost per airplane is what exactly? Mishap percentage rate even at 11 per still too high… F35 DOC’s per hour isn’t even in the reasonable rate… 2lbs of shit in a 1 pound bag is a better analogy…
@@adrianmadden2207 In 1988 the F-14D cost $78 million each. That's $207 million in today's dollars. $78 million times 144 aircraft is $11.2 billion dollars lost due to accidents, along with 68 aircrew killed. That's $30 Billion in today's dollars.
The F-35 costs an average of approximately $90 million dollars. $90 million times 11 aircraft lost due to accidents is about $990 million dollars, with 1 pilot killed.
The F-35 has the lowest accident record of any American fighter since World War 1. What accident rate is acceptable to you?
11 over how many years and how many aircraft delivered vs 144 over how many years and how many aircraft delivered?
@@frugalaudio The accidents stats are for 633 F-14s over 34 years vs approximately 1,100 F-35s over 14 years.
BTW in 11 F-35 accident loses, 5 were F-35A, 5 were F-35B, and 1 was F-35C.
Thanks for this. It's nice to year a RUclips reviewer say "I have no idea" when it is what's appropriate. Glad the pilot got out ok.
$100 million became $0 real fast.
An expensive bonfire. I know it is winter in Alaska but you would hope the USAF has better heaters.
It's not even 100 million. They are pretty much lying about the price. If 2 trillion supposed cost for 2000 crafts is true ( over it's lifetime) then it's price is 1 billion...
The F-35 is 82.5 million. For the love of God use google
Only $100 million that’s a bargain
I disagree, It actually perfectly performed what it was designed for and more, it disappeared completely from the radar.
Glad the pilot ejected successfully! Breaks my heart though to see that full-figured gorgeous lady named Amy meet such an unfortunate demise.
Also, I thought it was interesting that the pilot was already below the jet during the initial capture. It eventually passes through...
I thought the same. Wonder if they ejected on the way straight up, then the jet got to zero airspeed and departed.
The plane propably gained alltitude after ejection. The straight down tumbling of the plane kind of suggest that the plane only had vertical speed when it stalled. At least something like that.
Or the plane was upside down when he ejected.
@@cameronwebster6866 flat turn > catch bird > stall > eject upside down
No way the F-35's computer would let the plane come to a point in it's envelope where it would stall. This has to have been a catastrophic system failure
You sound certain about that.
We will see what comes of the AIB but I wonder if something went through the engine on the final suddenly killing all thrust. The fact they never declared an emergency or anything means it happened quick.
Just an uneducated hunch. I’m sure we’ll hear about it.
Possible bird strike? Last year at the Traverse City cherry 🍒 Festival. Blue Angel number 5 had a bird strike in the middle of their show. Thankfuly, he landed safety. It made for a long night for their maintenance crew. They had to fly from Michigan to Pensacola and back to Michigan to have number 5 back up and running for the Sunday show. In case it wasn't ready by show time they put number 5 on jet number 7 and took off. Number 7 had some sort of issues he had to come in and landed hoped in the original jet number 5 and completed the show. By late Sunday afternoon all seven jets were back up and running for the blue angels to depart for their next show.
It will if the pilot thinks the auto throttle is engaged but isn’t. Remember that something similar happened with an F-35C on approach to the carrier a couple years back.
@@MavHunter20XX I encourage you to watch the MIT lecture on the F-22 Flight control system. These modern fighters are designed to be downright hard to fly badly.
as long as the pilot is safe. my country lost an F16 last year, sensor broke, FBW could not maintain stable flight, pilot eject safely... these are complicated machines.
This happened where I live.
So grateful the pilot made it out alive.
Thanks for covering this Mover!
I thought about messaging you about this but figure someone else already did. Still crazy watching how out of control that jet was, glad the pilot made it.
The fighter pilot Juan Brown is back!
Thanks for the update, Mover. MB with another save.
God help the maintainer who recorded AND posted this before the flames were even put out. Buddy just got the entire flightline hours of reaming and extra training
OPSEC is a thing of the past lmao
'Can we get Kvochur Bell manoeuvre, chief?' 'We have Kvochur Bell manoeuvre at home'
Computer malfunction for sure. The computer decided to do something wonky, pilot realized he is going to die unless he pulls the handle and here we are. "the computer says no"
“I can’t do that, Dave.”
@@malekodesouza7255 its actually a british sketch, pretty funny, look it up "computer says no"
@@malekodesouza7255the good ol’ movie stealth.
F-22 does a falling leaf maneuver - F35 pilot - hold my beer.
“I may of slightly fucked-up the pedal turns.”
Ah, good old falling leaf drills. Brings back memories.
The f35 removed the leaf and maneuver part of the falling leaf maneuver
Thrust you can trust! Kudos Eielson Egress shop!
Thank goodness that the pilot was able to eject, what a WILD video.
The lack of forward movement is strange. Objects in motion tend to stay in motion absent an outside force acting on the object. The appearance of the plane at an altitude higher than the pilot in the parachute is likely that the pilot pulled up when he realized he was in trouble to gain some altitude and ejected before the plane reached the altitude before it dropped like a rock.
Newton resulted in some bad physicists and aerodynamicists. It's an unstable FBW aircraft. There are a whole raft of reasons for zero airspeed. Unfortunately there is insufficient video showing what happened earlier in the chain of events. The pilot may have ejected inverted. The aircraft may have performed a loop after the pilot left the aircraft. There are several non-obvious causes of why the aircraft is above the pilot.
First of all, thank God the Pilot didn't try to take the USMC commandant suggestion that the pilot should have kept troubleshooting; instead elected to eject.
So I'm seeing comments saying, "Unlikely the aircraft malfunctioned, must have been catastrophic, like FOD engine ingestion." Well, they need to look at all the previous F35 mishaps. While it could have been a bird to engine interaction, there are instances where it's the jet malfunction devoid of outside influence. One thing to think about, this is in the one of the coldest parts of the USA, during the coldest seasons, I wonder if its a frozen AOA sensor.
Is this the same commandant that relieved Del Pizzo?
Also - sensors, man. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the failure of one was causal in this incident. My father did some work for the space program and he’s got lots of stories about faulty sensors crapping the bed.
@@ModernVintage31 SO I finally saw the AIB commentary by CWL on the Hill AFB F35 crash. It says it was cause by wake turbulance. Also stated MAC departed controlled flight. I wonder.
I don't think I've ever seen real-world video of that kind of departure. I mostly associate it with something like clipping a mountaintop in a sim that doesn't model destruction of the airframe in collisions. In any case, when I see it in simulator flights, it usually results from events that would break up the airframe or bend it beyond recognition IRL.
How on *Earth* did that happen in the pattern???
I guess FBW is far beyond the ability of most to understand. The aircraft is unstable by design, and can do things you wouldn't think an aircraft can do, and requires the FBW to make it stable. Hence weirdness like this where there is a FCS failure/fault/problem.
When the video first popped up for me I thought it was an R/C aircraft at first losing power and being pushed by the wind. The fireball killed that idea. Just damn. I'm glad the pilot was able to punch out.
Wow. I've never seen an aircraft fall out of the sky like that. They normally keep the same attitude or they are in a flat spin. Never seen any rolling while falling straight down.
I thought the same thing, and thought it was very weird it wasn't moving forward at all, with what sounded like more than enough engine thrust to do that. I just thought after typing that line, maybe it's possible that if there was some type of complete control malfunction, the controls were all in a position to slow/stop any forward movement, and/or just make it roll like it did.
it's Ai that's why.. yes the crash occurred but this is a fake take on it. How can nobody notice how badly fake it is!?
Fat Amy falls gracefully....
@@bobsurgranny Pretty sure the AFB reported the crash officially. So.. not ai. "nobody notice[s]" because it is a very real video of a jet crashing. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@@bobsurgrannyai😂😂😂🧢
How did the plane end up so high above the Pilot in the chute? Did he trade airspeed for altitude for the punch out?
i think he punched out, plane went out of control and climbed for a sec before tumbling down
Exactly my thought. Yeah, that canopy is designed to open *NOW* , but he was WAY below the AC, under a full canopy, falling apparently in close proximity to the dead bird. Almost like he was going straight vertically (maybe stalling out already) when he ejected, and the plane just gave up all aerodynamic lift right after he got out.
I mean, weirder shit has happened (Cornfield Bomber), but still...
i think the AF will look into this video and the black box for the investigation. with this perspective, i'd rule it out. until the box is analyzed
I’ve had it with the F-35 hate I’m seeing on other channels discussing this….as if other jets don’t crash. If you look at mishap rate per flight hours, the F-35 is one of the safest combat aircraft ever. If you think this crash is a reflection of the F-35, do everyone a favor and go look at the mishap rate for the F-16 from 1978-1983 (its first 6 years in service). Or look at the rate of F-14 crashes from 1974-1979. You can’t even imagine the rate for the older century series aircraft.
Perspective people. Jets are complicated machines. Flying a high performance jet is dangerous business and - as William Sherman would say- “there is no use trying to reform it”
Btw, I’m not directing this at you mover…I’m posting here because yours is one of the more popular of the sites I’ve seen this reported on. And it’s not the host../its people in the comments lamenting that we should have just bought more F-16s since the F-35s “keep crashing”
The F-35 gets bad press. One goes down and it’s front page news for a few days. A 15/16/18 goes down and it will barely get a blip in the press.
F-35s have a 1% Class A mishap rate (11 aircraft). That's quite a bit better than the 23% Class A accident rate for the U.S. F-14s (144 aircraft).
@@michaelrunnels7660
Just as a update?
Including all airframes lost in total?
That number is now up to 13 lost.
However, EVEN counting the airframes lost due to pilot errors, and not some failure on the F35?
We still at this right now:
More than 1000 F35’s made now.
That’s more than Typhoon/Eurofighter, more than Rafale.
Accident rates: (Class A rates)
F15: 2.36 per 100,000 hours
F-22: 5.49 per 100,000 hours
F18: 2.84 per 100,000 hours
F16: 3.45 per 100,000 hours
Harrier: 11.4 per 100,000 hours
F35: 1.33 per 100,000 hours
thanks for the video. I've seen a lot of coverage but to be honest I've been waiting for yours cause I trust it the most. :)
Welp, there’s goes my bonus next year.
Martin Baker blows me away. IDK what their success rate is, but I think the only unsuccessful one I know of was that one you talked about where maintenance had been delayed 3x. That's not MB's fault IMHO. Also, the speed / reaction time of you guys (fighter pilots) always amazes me. seems this sh*t can happen in an instant and it's amazing how many ppl in these situations make it out alive. Much respect to MB and fighter pilots.
Thanks Mover.
Best regards, mate.
God bless those who serve our country. I’m thankful for every one of you.
That KC-135R was getting ready for engine start and launch. Had ground man and one on headset and vest to martial.
Marshal.
I believe Bronco Juan speculated that the pilot might have pulled straight up before ejection (to gain altitude), thus eventually showing the jet above the successful chute, and falling straight down. Makes sense to me.
Wondering what happened that made the crew want to get their phone out and start recording. And have the time.
pilot after the crash: I'm never going to financially recover from this.
Clearly the engine was running, as the noise stops after impact
always enjoy your concise non-speculative rundown your review are always as informative as is possible. Thank you Mover
It there's ever an illustration of "departed controlled flight" this is it.
That Amy looks like it hit an invisible wall. That thing dropped straight down. No arc , no glide. Scary stuff. Glad the Pilot's ok. Thx Mover.
Base Commander said aircraft experienced a malfunction. What could possibly cause the pilot to be underneath the aircraft after ejection at slow speed in the pattern?
Right...that's something kind of weird to see the chute at much lower altitude than the falling aircraft. Guess we'll have to wait for the accident report on this one. Edit: Wanted to add that maybe with a Zero-Zero seat if there's adequate altitude and ejection is inverted it doesn't fire the rockets to correct and gain altitude? I'm not up on my ejection seat parameters.
@@recoilrob324 I could be wrong but I think it only does that if there isn't enough altitude
Wow that is scary! Thanks for this Mover
Constructive criticism: When commenting on a video like this, FIRST play the video COMPLETELY THROUGH so we can see it uninterrupted, THEN go back and play it and pause and comment, resume play, pause and comment, etc....this makes for happier viewers because many of us haven't seen the original video until now, and want to see it run straight through before watching it for three seconds at a stretch between commentary.
You realize what you're asking for would put his entire channel at risk from copyright strikes, right?
There's a reason most RUclips channels, that are older than a couple of years, do commentary/reaction content without playing the original content uninterrupted and in full.
@@mortlet5180 What is there copyright about a video published online? It's public domain. If YT can't handle that without problems, that's YT problem.
Ohhh man I've been waiting for this after that crazy tumble.
Sounding like the engine was on, as the sound disappears a couple seconds after impact
The way that F35 spun and tumbled into the ground is so weird, modern god-like flight computers don’t just let that happen.
Why are you not pointing out the Pilot is 1/2 way towards the ground before the JET goes down, the jet almost goes past him?
Jet was probably going vertical as pilot punched out and went above the pilot, stalled, then came back down. Could have been the pilot pulled up to gain altitude to increase chances of ejection survival.
Was waiting on this video....Mover made the video 9hrs ago! 🤣🤣
Always keeping us informed, with pure facts and never speculation or bias. .
Its the reason we're all here.
Now I'm waiting on the following videos..
Temu Harrier……💥
😂😂😂brooo stappp
Thanks for the update!
I think that prominent engine noise is his. It cuts out after impact at the same time the impact sound gets to the observer. Remember what you see and what you hear will not be synced up because of distance. Impact noise then engine noise stops.
When I first saw this video, with no context, I thought it was just a B model that gave up the ghost and threw its pilot out before turning into a fireball. It wouldn't be the first time. When I realized it was an A model, I think my brain melted trying to figure out how it could have possibly gotten into that situation. I have no idea how you go from flying around the pattern to swinging under a chute as the jet falls from the sky beneath you like a brick.
This AIB will be must-see Mover TV when it comes out in 6 to 9 months.
Working on 35s, i dont see how pilot error could ever result in such a violent departure. And i also dont see software being the issue either, my only current assumption is a flight critical controller lost electrical power (not signal bc for every controller or computer there are secondary redundancies for *signal* for said components) from distribution to the controller
Computer decided to apply latest update from Microsoft ..."One moment while your computer restarts ..."
@@woolymittens true!
Looks like a controller gave itself a lobotomy.
@@woolymittens And then "CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT" BSOD
@@woolymittens getting a bluescreen during flight
Can you imagine getting out of the jet and then whilst under canopy, see your troubled bird come back towards you tumbling through the air?
Always interesting to watch 👌🏼
It looks like the pilot under his deployed chute was lower than his plane or maybe its just the angle 🤔
The plane may have gained some altitude post ejection.
Maybe it was sideways when he ejected, or upside down.
I saw a report that they updated the FCS code, after the F-35 went "missing" after the Pilot jumped out, to avoid an aircraft flying around for an extended period.
7:22 clearly the F-35A identified as a F-35B and failed miserably
It was busy trying to decide on its pronouns.
Pilot: Cleared VFR
F-35: Lemme get you a closer view
Was that the F-35 Max by any chance?
I’ve been waiting to be able to see your take on this. Your explanations are so helpful. Frankly, watching that thing roll made me sick to my stomach. Looked like a paper airplane.
One of my gaming buddies is an F35 maintainer at Eielson, he's smart and not saying anything about the incident. but he did suggest that the person who recorded and posted this video so soon might experience "a sudden and rapid transition to civilian life"
For what it’s worth, we saw an F-35A Lightning II at SUN n FUN Lakeland Florida last year cut her performance short due to technical issues. I’ve heard they have a bad reputation for a higher than average failure rate.
Hum, not heard they have some high failure rate.
More than 1000 F35’s made now.
That’s more than Typhoon/Eurofighter, more than Rafale.
Accident rates: (Class A rates)
F15: 2.36 per 100,000 hours
F-22: 5.49 per 100,000 hours
F18: 2.84 per 100,000 hours
F16: 3.45 per 100,000 hours
Harrier: 11.4 per 100,000 hours
F35: 1.33 per 100,000 hours
So, not only is the F35 is the best-selling fighter in 40 years?
the airframe loss rate looks to be the lowest we can find.
And more amazing? Well, they lost none during the testing phase.
And the F35 also has escaped the so called “bad” early years in which we often see high crash rates.
So, for example the bad “early” year for the F16?
They had a whopping 17 F-16 crashes in ONE year! (1982).
And even more amazing there are more F35’s flying now than when that bad early year occurred for the F16.
And even the fan favorite and loved F15 Eagle?
They saw eight (8) in one early year - 1978.
And from 1995 to 1996, 10 F-14’s were lost. From 1991 to 1996, I believe the total is 30 F-14’s lost.
The F35 not really had that "worst early year", and given that over 1000 F35's been made - that's more than any newer 4th gen jet right now.
To put it mild? The F35 clearly by HUGE margins has been shown to be one of the most reliable new fighters ever built, and most safe in terms of pilot’s fatalities.
So, you may have "heard" about some issue with the F35, but based on above numbers?
The F35 has turned out to be by a considerable margin, one of the safer fighters made, and this includes both airframe loss rates, and pilot fatalities.
Not at all bad for a fighter program that cost less to develop then the F16 program, and with a lower lifetime program cost then the F16 program.
@@Albertkallal production numbers don’t equal quality. Just how many are produced.
@@Rob-vv5yn Glad you read his whole reply before making a reply of your own. Rare to see that kind of reading comprehension. Oh wait you didn't.
@@Albertkallal Seems like 1) we have the internet now 2) since it is so rare it is big news when 1 falls out of the sky.
@@stanants8566
Quite true. And unfortunately, a few airframes from the military are lost every year, including other airframes.
However, I thought it was prudent to point out that the F35 certainly is not near top of the list for crash rates or lost airframes. Hence, that was my motivation for sharing current stats on this issue.
However, the F35 does tend to make the news when one goes down, since it has a narrative of being rather expensive fighter.
However, a F35 is less cost then say a new F15 right now........
Glad pilot was able to get out. I'm old school USAF UPT 68-F. In today's Air Force, I would still be punching the reset button as I auger in.
That’s what a modern, inherently dynamically unstable jet without its flyby wire does… I’m going to speculate that they lost the flight control computers.
Also the CG shift.
All four of them!?
Been a busy week in aviation! Praying for all family and victims!
Good to give Martin Baker a shout, but who made the parachute???
The parachute is made by Irvin, another Brit company (although Irvin himself was American)
@@marksumner2292The canopy is a British *design* , but I believe the manufacturer for US DoD is Airborne Systems, out of New Jersey.
0:39 This is why I never bother contacting you or Juan when I hear about something in aviation because I know for a fact that if I've heard it, so have you. 🤣
How that thing had like zero airspeed, it looked like it was literally falling straight down. Weird
Thanks as always for the breakdown Mover
'your Approach and Landing software trial subscription has ended and needs payment ' and credit card funded by a grant gets cut off the night before by Commander in Chief signature.😂
Thanks for your take. I think we are all pretty much thinking the same thing, but it is good to hear from a professional in the field that the thoughts are pretty much the same thing... "It should not be flying like this."
Pilot: stable
Aircraft: most assuredly unstable.
When I first saw the footage I couldn't believe what I was watching, it just looked so unreal and unnatural the way it fell vertically down with zero forward motion.
He had the issue and pulled up to give a better ejection. Jet stalled and went straight down. Thats why he was lower than the jet on the video.
That's an expensive crash. Glad the pilot is ok.
The ejection seat will soon have more flying time than our F35