After watching this I went ahead and got the Arris Touchstone CM8200 modem and the Orbi AX4200 2 pack and I’m consistently getting full speeds over WiFi….Thanks so much for the help man!!
Great video! For some people the size of the house you are trying to cover will come into play. Say you have a 5,000 square foot house (and assume for now that you're going all wireless; no wired backhaul) then the Eero 6 Pro 3 pack wins. It's $600 versus the Orbi 2 pack at $700. The Orbi suffers ever so slightly in range tests and I honestly feel like a 2 pack is cutting it close for 5,000 square feet. I'm probably biased though. I jumped from Eero to Orbi a few years ago when the Orbi first hit the market. I was BLOWN AWAY by the improvement in speeds. The Orbi was awesome. But then came some serious firmware problems. The system would constantly crash and reboot. Turns out it was an issue with Google devices (my pixel was causing it) but the Eero firmware was smart enough to handle the issues that Google was causing. Orbi's customer service throughout the whole ordeal was abysmal. The forums were a mess of angry people! Hopefully they've improve dramatically since then but It's going to be hard for me to go back. I'm closing on a new house this week and I'll likely be upgrading my existing Eero Pro system to Eero Pro 6 (3 pack). I'll keep some of my existing Eero beacons to supplement if necessary but I think the 3 pack will more than cover what I need (roughly 4,500 square feet). Anyway man - really great stuff you're doing with these mesh router reviews. Your range of tests are thorough and super informative. The BIG benefit in all these systems is the dedicated wireless backhaul channel (like on the Orbi and the Eero Pro 6 devices). That dedicated channel is what enables the faster speeds. Without that you lose a little speed on every hop from the main router.
Thanks for the feedback and your experience! It’s good to know the history of products, my Orbi has been working fine but I plan on keeping both the eero Pro 6 and Orbi and swap them weekly to see which one will do better long term. If I run into firmware issues, I will be sure to relay that info as you have. Congrats on the house! and I think you’ve made the right decision with the eero Pro 6 based on your previous experience and the fact that you can add more eero beacons if needed, granted the pro 6 3 pack might be enough as you mentioned.
Thank you for the review. I gave up on the eero pro 6 after 1 week of trying to optimize it for my setup. I've done a lot of rebooting, customer service etc. My speed is fast but multiple times a day, it would slow down to a crawl. Now I'm on the orbi rbk50. The older model with wifi 5. Couldn't be happier.
Best comparison on you tube... Wish I woulda happened on this video before watching like 10 other vids... Anyway, superb job of explaining... And time stamps to boot to make easy access... Above and beyond... THANKS!!
Hi there! I subscribed because you are the only one who makes sense. One question: I have a fiber at&t internet 1gbps... what should I get? An eero pro or the orbi rbk752? Thanks!
Thanks! I saw your other comments. You can't go wrong either way but I recently made a video (not posted yet) comparing 5 mesh wifi systems to each other and in that video I picked the Orbi as the winner. Honestly it's a tough decision, they're both good, eero gets slightly more coverage and Orbi gets slightly better speeds so I picked the Orbi as the winner.
Great WiFi review as usual. Very strange on 2 Eero Pro 6's wirelessly connected and the AC speed dropping that much. Probably another firmware will be rolling out to fix that. I ordered the Eero Pro 6 set based on your earlier reviews as I intend to use them where they are wirelessly connected and then use ethernet for a PC and PS4. The router should be 30-50 ft away from the access point. I'm hoping to get max speeds or close to it like you did. Thanks for all that you do. It makes buying this stuff easier without having to deal with returns. Hopefully...LOL
LOL! I think you'll get pretty good speeds for your PC and PS4 based on what you said. Yeah hoping they will release an update to take care of the AC devices. Eero Pro 6 hands down is amazing and so is the Netgear Orbi, honestly a tough decision between the two. Eero Pro 6 seems like a better value because of the lower price.
Great reviews as always- interesting to see you choose the mid range Orbi to review vrs the top of the range eero pro 6 - I think the Eero seems to win in this review due to its cheaper price variance .
Thanks! I chose the mid range cause it's the same speed rating of ax4200 and a "similar" price point even though it does cost more. The high end Orbi cost much more so thought it's not a fair comparison to make. But it makes sense from a top tier to a top tier comparison as well. I like both routers, wondering which one I'm going to use as my main mesh wifi. I was just so impressed with Orbi's ability to hit max speeds no matter the configuration.
@@landpet both seem good products - for me personally I need to have powerful unit for the house to run lots of items wirelessly plus with an ability to connect a satellite unit 80ft away in a garden room . The Orbi has more ports which is helpful but my set up will ultimately be connected house to garden room with cable Tbh I thought the eero performed well but I am still keen on the high end Orbi - if it comes down in price
If the router is in the center of the condo, then probably not necessary but if it’s in one corner of the place then yes I would. Either of these would make a good choice, maybe I would lean a tad more in the Orbi’s direction
Let me know how that goes. I’m still using an Apple Time Capsule with another Apple router as an extender. My current system still works reliably. I’ve tried two other mesh systems (google and Netgear) which didn’t maintain a good mesh signal and I returned both of those mesh systems.
@@douginNC28139 After looking again at the family budget and testing the speed on my Time Capsule and the Airport Extreme used as an extender, I've decided to cancel my Eero order and stay with the Time Capsule for the time being. When I tested my system again, I found that the Apple Extreme I use as a wifi extender upstairs is giving the same 200 MB service I'm getting from the Time Capsule directly connected to the cable router. I wanted to trade up to an Eero as we are getting new iPhone 12s which offer wifi 6 which is unsupported by the older Apple routers. Also, the HD in the Time Capsule has failed and I thought perhaps the Time Capsule's wifi might also be on its last legs. But as my wife reminded me, the Time Capsule still provides fine service and meets our needs at home. So I'll just hold on with the wifi set up I have until it no longer works. So it looks like I've reached the same decision as you. I wish Apple still supported its routers but they made great equipment that lasts and the money I've saved on not getting the Eero Pro can help pay for the new iPhones.
I am thinking of purchasing the ax4200 but I have a question about hardwiring. In your videos you say you can connect via Ethernet wire from the router to the satellite but can you run an Ethernet wire from the back of the Orbi satellite to an Xbox at the same time. I guess the satellite would act as a hardwired router. I can’t find my answer on any videos or netgear site
Thanks for your videos Landpet, huge fan! I am struggling with QoS on the Orbi because there is no option to set whatsoever. I have a few Ring cameras that seem to be hogging my upload bandwidth (which is a pathetic 5Mbps where I live). I was hoping to bump them down on priority during daytimes to allow WFH video conferences to not lag, but no luck. Any idea if Eero or some other brand might be a better one to switch to? Our vidéoconférences go through work VPNs so any sort of automatic traffic management won’t work for us.
Thanks! Eero has a similar smart qos type of system that does it automatically. I don’t know if there’s any benefit to switching. People are generally happy with the smart qos style but your situation is a bit unique.
These new routers are designed to be simple but as a result they do have to automate fields. Maybe worth checking out a regular asus router or something similar.
To what extent we can still benefit from those mesh solutions if we cannot put our main modem/router in Bridge mode? What are the alternatives? Does creating another SSID help? Thanks for the video. Good content
Thanks for the feedback and the question! The main purpose of using a mesh system is to expand your WiFi coverage on a single SSID. If you don’t put your modem router combo in bridge mode then you will have 2 different networks with 2 different SSID’s. I think this complicates things, something I try to avoid. Really depends what you’re trying to achieve, if you want a simple feet WiFi coverage system then a mesh system is for you. Alternatives are keeping your existing setup or replacing with a single powerful router granted mesh systems tend to outperform these types of single routers.
I usd to own a pair of RBK 30. Those had horrible stability and speed. My internet is 1000 up and down (fiber). Have you had experience with bad orbis? Do you know if these ones are more stable than their other models?
@@landpet Thank you for the reply. Are you planning a video discussing the firmware version and such you are using? Or could you let me know? I'm scared to buy an orbi because of my history. But I live in Denmark and I cannot get an eero pro 6 unfortunately which was my top pick.
How does the internet backhaul work with the Orbi? My understanding: - 1 router connects to the modem directly with ethernet - the satellite connects to the router - I place the satellite in the order room Do simply plug in an ethernet cable into the back port of the satellite and to my device (PS4), and would mimic Ethernet ported speed?
What link speed are you getting to the iphone 12 pro when connected to either of these? I've a netgear nighthawk rax200 and I get connected at 1200Mbps at close range, however I believe the iphone should be capable of connecting at 2400Mbps
i was waiting for this i end up with the eero cause my local best buy had it if not would of gone with the eero 6 cause i only need 2 not 3 but lets say witch is app is better and which one do you use at your house
You mentioned to disable my router combo component on my Cox modem when installing an Eero Pro 6. Is that the case with all of the mesh routers e.g. Orbi and Nest? Is this to avoid having two active routers?
Thanks! If you want to see all the connections demoed, I did several other videos depending on which one you're interested in. The eero Pro 6 tutorial is here: ruclips.net/video/n_T0LAb0Slg/видео.html You can see all the others on my channel, they're all recently posted.
Can you compare the Google Nest Wifi vs the Netgear Orbi AX6000. I am invested in the google ecosystem and wanting to upgrade my old Apple Airport Extreme. Should I go with Netgear Orbi AX6000, Google Mesh with ethernet backhaul or the Eero Pro? I am trying to cover approx 5000 sq feet of space
Nest Wifi is a good router, works very well if you have ethernet backhaul. You will notice less of a difference between the Nest Wifi, Orbi and eero Pro 6 if you use ethernet backhaul. They are all good from what I've seen. Price per performance though eero Pro 6 seems to be ahead of the competition. I currently oscillate between the eero Pro 6 and the Orbi (switching them out once a week, not at use at the same time). I'm doing this so I can do a long term review of them on RUclips. If it wasn't for me doing RUclips reviews, I didn't even see a need to upgrade from my Nest Wifi since it was a rock solid router with no dropouts.
@@landpet Thank you for the quick response. I think I will go with google since I don't have any wifi 6 devices yet and I have a lot of google-enabled IoTs and I have a wired back haul to the 3 routers I plan to install at each level. Another good "prosumer" router to review is the Orbi Pro Wifi 6. Really like that it has 4 VLANS and a different SSID for each VLAN. Each SSID can be setup for family/employees IoT, Guests and Home Entertainment.
the video been looking in the internet for I end up buying the orbi be cause my local best buy so which one do you use as your main one and which app is the more easy to use
They both have useful easy to use apps. I'm currently using the Orbi but still wondering which I'm going to use as my main. I'm currently leaning more towards the Orbi but it's a tough decision cause they're both great.
Hi currently in the uk the eero pro 6 for 3 is the same price as Orbi For 2. I will be using wireless backup. Currently my IP speed is 200 mps increasing to 350 mps shortly. What would you suggest as better value and increased range?
Hi, I have actually found a deal with Costco UK Eero pro6 for 3 routers is £425 Orbi RBK5753 (3) routers if £499 so only £74 difference. At that difference would you recommend Eero still? Or other? My set up is over 3 floors, old thick brick walls. Ideally wireless but may hardwire 2 routers , Streaming will be 4K streaming, work laptops and wireless Xbox series X gaming Thanks
They're both really good from what I've seen. You could flip a coin lol since the price difference is not much. Eero has slightly better range and Orbi has slightly better speeds. Maybe I would go with the Orbi
I have an Orbi system ( router + 1 satellite) for a 1500 square foot single story house. I have heard that to get really good coverage and speed you should mount the router and satellites as high as possible on the wall. Is this true or just more work for little return? I have the router in the master bedroom and the satellite in the living room both on table tops around 2 feet off the ground. Using the Orbi app I measure 940 mbs (paying for 800 mbs via Xfinity). My second question is what WiFi speed test app is everyone using in these You Tube videos? I am not sure I trust the Orbi app for checking WiFi speed
I have my main one up higher and my secondary one at desk height. I think as long as it’s desk height, you should be ok. Another thing that’s more important is to place them in a more open area if possible, meaning don’t hide them behind other electronics. For internet speed tests, I use the speed test app. For local speed tests, I use the open speed test server which I haven’t done in this video. I started doing those about 8 months ago starting with the Asus ET8
I'm based in the UK and our speeds are not that great, we just about get 1gb now. Before I buy anything, I like to thoroughly research all aspects. It was a toss up between the orbi and eero 6 Pro. I think I'm going to go towards orbi, simply for the speed, consistency and stability. However, I've heard negative reviews about netgears app and limited functionality as well as updates which makes people's Internet drop. For me speed, consistency and stability are important. Range is the last thing I consider but its still something I need. Apart from orbi, are there any tp link products that compare to the orbi? Only because of the better app and features. I would have the Asus et8 but in the UK we are restricted with products, and I've heard Asus doesn't have great reviews on the app, stability but has awesome safety features and free parental Controls etc. Can you advise and shed some light on orbi alternative, like tp range, Asus models for the UK etc. Maybe you can review app features of brands so people know what to expect, as well as features, like free protection, parental controls etc Thanks, keep up the awesome work. Really helpful and informative
I do like the new tp link products like the Deco XE75 or XE75 Pro. They have free basic parental controls and good range with good speeds. I heard some of the negative reviews on the Orbis but have not experienced it myself on the RBK752 or RBKE963. Asus has the most options from all the routers I test and the ET8 and ET12 Pro are both great systems. The simple answer is, I like the TP Link Deco XE75 for the budget systems and the Asus ET12 or Netgear Orbi RBKE963 for the expensive systems. Hope this helps and thanks for the feedback!
Is Mesh Wifi just a marketing term? What's the difference between a "Mesh Network" and buying 2 routers and having 1 as a access point or a range extender? (Edit): also great and informative video, learned way more than what I was expecting
Thanks! Mesh wifi and mesh network are basically the same thing as you mentioned. The only difference is that these mesh wifi routers are designed with mesh in mind meaning they actually test that as a good portion which is why they're seamless when you walk through your place. Your device switches from one to another effortlessly without a drop or lag. Mesh network is more like you're buying a router which is mostly designed to work by itself but can work with an access point to extend your network. In the past, I had a mesh network setup and while it worked fine, it wouldn't switch as fast and you would get those occasional cut of signals. I'm sure with newer devices they've solved that so it's basically the same thing.
I went with the orbi before this eero pro 6 came out but my choices were between the eero pro and orbi WiFi 6 rbk852 which is orbi model above the one you reviewed. Now that the eero has the eero pro 6 version I went back to the websites to compare the top models once again from the 2 companies and I’ve seen that the orbi has upgraded as well. The top orbi now can achieve speeds of 6GPS 😳. I originally went with the orbi because of speed and and hoping that one day I’ll be eligible for the Comcast gig pro service 🤤.
I get very confused regarding range with these devices. I live out in the country but have a good wireless ISP with 12MB download and 2MB upload, which is fine for me. I currently have a last generation Apple Time Capsule, and I can get a usable signal at 180 feet from it, and a poor signal at 220 feet. So when you talk about a range of 70 feet losing performance it gives me pause. Am I overthinking this? Would an Orbi 6 replace my Apple Time Capsule without a significant loss of range?
Good question, the more interference the less the range becomes. If you’re in the country, then you should get much more range than me. It should get you more range than your time capsule. Results can vary a lot based on radio interference and walls.
You may be missing one of the reasons for a tri-band router. The reason you got better speed with Orbi satellite wirelessly connected over the eero extender wireless connected is the Orbi has the extra wireless channel to use for backhaul.
Yup, you are correct. I believe I mentioned that tri band typically helps with wireless backhaul at 1:42. You're right though I didn't say that specifically in this video. I feel like I've said that in one of my other videos but can't remember which one lol.
For 70 mbps speed and concrete 3 story house 4 eero pro 6 or 4 rbk754. About 100 dollars difference in price, what would be your best bet system. Using a orbi rbk53 now. Thank you!
both of those choices should be fine, I would recommend getting at least 3 units, one for each floor if you're going to use wireless backhaul. Orbi should be faster and eero should get slightly more range, both good choices. I think TP Link Deco XE75 is also good.
@@landpet thank you for the reply, I just bought the eero pro 6 4 pcs. I’m currently using the orbi rbk53 and it’s starting to die. The pink light comes on even when there is till internet going thru the system
I just bought 9 eero pro 6 for my house. You ask why i bought that many. Well my house is built with cement at has 4 floors. So imagine if cellular ssrvice is blocked would orbi work. Im guessing not. So im planning going all wired and ill update you of what would happen😊
Wired is definitely the way to go, please do keep me posted on how 9 work together if that's even possible, it might be. The Nest WiFi recommends no more than 5 mesh systems in the same network, I don't remember seeing a limit on the eero but there might be one.
In theory, yes but it really depends where you’re placing the router and how much other interference exists such as walls, other wireless interference nearby, etc. You can always get 1, place it in the center of your house, if possible, and try it out, if it’s not good, then add 1 more and at that point you can switch the places so they’re strategically located to provide great coverage throughout, again if possible. I feel like you’ll probably need 2 for great coverage.
Having a smaller range can be a good thing, particularly in a high density area. you have a small mesh network with little noise and you're using the advantage of a mesh. If you just have one access point, then I can see having something with lots of range. I think of it like a speaker, if you just have one, then how loud matters, but if you have several, you don't need them to be loud, you can instead, have them sound good as the range is not an issue due to the satellite access points. How would you test for that in a place like a condo complex? Does this have any relevance?
In a condo/apartment, you would typically get less range cause of the extra walls all around (compared to a house) and the fact that your neighbors have their own wireless signals. This test was done in a building, so should give you a good idea that in a house environment you can expect to go farther.
I bought both from Best Buy. I was getting better speeds with the Orbi. I decided to return both to Best Buy and buy the Orbi 753S (1 router and 2 satellites) from Costco for $430. I figured the 2nd satellite would help with the range.
Thanks for that info, so same as me, better speeds with the Orbi. Costco does have an amazing sale going on. I personally only need 2 otherwise I would get the Costco deal.
I've been watching your videos, thanks for your effort in this. I have two homes, about 75' from the corner of one to the corner of the other. Ideally, I'd get a ethernet wire from one house to the other, but can't do that at this point in time. I'm currently using Google Nest Mesh but I can't get it to stay connected to the modem, it drops out multiple times a day. When it's up, coverage is OK. I'm thinking of another mesh system, from a diff manufacturer. === Landpet - which system is best at long distance between main and satellite, in your opinion? === The house with the sat is low usage, generally a netflix movie at most and of course, now some zoom meetings.
Well I don't know if they will work at that distance but the fact that the nest wifi works sometimes gives me hope. Both eero Pro 6 and Netgear Orbi are superior to the Nest wifi when it comes to wifi range. On paper, the Orbi is better but from what I tested, the eero Pro 6 did better but again that can vary based on the shape of your place and if there is anything in between both homes. Based on my results, I would say try the eero Pro 6, if that doesn't work well then try the Orbi.
@@landpet I'm ready to order there's more options than I thought. I'd like two routers but nothing packaged that way. I see a Router+beacon but is that as good as two routers? I can get the 3-router-pack if that's my best option. And just not use the 3rd. EDIT: I see the beacons are dual band, so I think I'll just get the 3 pack pro routers.
Ethernet backhaul pretty much guarantees fastest possible speeds. Yes I have them in separate rooms to extend wifi coverage and ensure faster speeds throughout
@@landpet thanks for the quick reply! i plan on getting a 3 pack of the eero pro routers. Would it make sense to have 2 of them in the same room and do ethernet backhaul while the third is connected via wifi and on a floor where there are dead zones?
@@walleye187 If that room is huge then maybe, you don't want them to close to each router and not to far away so typically they shouldn't be in the same room, again unless the room is huge.
Spectrum usually gives more speed than what they advertise. It's not the modem, well it would be if my modem was capped but my modem can tolerate much faster speeds. Their signal actually is faster than what they advertise.
Good video, consider to add few more things include how long each router get security update , show how router act with more devices load , how’s privacy policy , does it matter to buy expensive router if you have low speed internet
Thanks for the feedback! Security updates vary, usually get more towards the launch of the device until bugs are resolved. I currently have 35 devices total including wired and wireless. No problem with multiple devices being on at the same time. Netflix doesn't lag, youtube doesn't lag, surfing web is still fast. Lastly, getting these are more about increasing your wifi coverage regardless of your internet speeds because older routers like my old asus (7 year old router) can easily keep up with my internet speeds. It's only when you get to gigabit internet speeds that you need to start being picky with the routers like getting one of these. I'll keep that in mind cause this is useful information for people as well, thanks again for the great questions!
My internet is rated for 1 gig, I've tried the alien, a well known router, even with being close to the router, I'm only getting 200mbps with an iPhone 12 pro max, I've tried different routers and they all have similar speeds, any ideas? Currently I have about 14 devices connected to it, thanks great video
Thanks! Did you test the speeds with ethernet? I'm assuming you get 1 gig that way? My internet is not that fast but I easily get the 480 on wifi and ethernet with pretty much all the routers I've tested.
I had a question.. I have spectrum service with the basic package of 100mbps but yesterday spectrum gave it's customers an additional 100mbps for free. Prior to the additional free upgrade of extra speed. Direct connect obviously gives me the fastest speed but I mainly use my internet wirelessly. Typically direct connect I get a bit more than 100 down I do not use the spectrum wireless router as I got recommend to get my own router because the spectrum provided one was trash and has issues switching off and on. So I got a netgear ac1000 dualband nighthawk and it works fine and get around 90ish plus mbps down out of the 100mbps using the 5ghz band. Using the 2.4ghz yields me 20 down out of the 100. Fast forward to today when I got the notice that spectrum was giving me the free upgrade to 200mbps down. I was excited but then disappointed very fast as when I tested my internet speed and was still getting the 90ish plus down out of 200mbps. Direct connect yields 220mbps so I figured it must be the router. Is my router not strong enough to push out the fast speeds? I would have thought I would have surpassed the 100mbps considering the newly upgrade. What should I do? What router would you recommend? I do playing pc games which I do not play direct connect at this time but I do have a nighthawk wifi adapter using the 5hz band which aids in a stable connection.. All of my devices as of now are non WiFi 6. It seems I may need a stronger router but not sure where to start and It also seems I may need to do something like adding another router for ethernet backlog or backload whatever it's called for my desktop I just want to get closer to my full speeds wirelessly. Thanks
Thanks for the detailed info, helps paint a better picture. While your router is on the slower end, it looks like it can support 200Mbps. So a few things to mention, wireless routers obviously degrade in speed the farther your device is placed. So while your router can support 200Mbps, it may not be able to support those speeds a certain distance away. So I'm assuming you restarted the router and modem and everything and no matter what you do it doesn't get over 90Mbps. If this is the case, getting a single eero Pro 6 router should solve your internet issues. If you want to get something less expensive, I'm thinking even a single eero 6 router will suffice. I recently made a video (not posted yet, still need to edit) but I determined that the TP Link Deco X60 is the best budget friendly mesh system but in a 500 sq. ft. Studio, I think 1 router is more than enough (assuming you just care about inside coverage). Since the TP Link comes in a 2 pack, I think one eero 6 router will most likely suffice, if not for sure one eero Pro 6 will get you those full speeds. Hope this helps!
@@landpet ya I restarted and powered cycled both modem and router. And even standing in front of the router I still get the same 90ish mbps. So will either one eero 6 or 6 pro give me better gains? Let's say range isn't the issue? Is my router just not strong enough even though it supports 200mbps? My other issue is getting a strong signal to my netgear nighthawk wifi adapter that's connected to my pc. Would the 6pro give me better speeds or do I need a 2nd eero 6 or 6pro and do a ethernet backhaul? Would ethernet backhauling be better than a wifi adapter like what I have? Oddly enough a friend of mine also has the same package from spectrum and uses the spectrum router and gets 230mbps down. The same router I understood was trash. His complaint is that the router connects on and off.
I have net speed of 500 up and 500 down , I bought 3 pack Eero pro 6 and my setup is Option #3. No matter how close I m to any of the Eero pro 6 my download wifi speed is never above 180. Same with option #4. I tested this on laptop and iPhone X and iPhone 8 Plus. The Eero tech support says that this is the maximum speed I will get on wifi. I wonder how you get 480 plus on iPhone, any thoughts ?
Eero tech guy is wrong. You can easily get 500 down, my upload is not fast but I’m sure you can get 500 up as well. I get 480 down with all my phones, tablets, laptops. Did you try restarting your modem? Have you directly connected to the modem via Ethernet to a laptop or desktop to test the speeds without the eero to verify you do intact get 500 down. If so, the only logical thing that comes to mind is that your devices are connecting on the 2.4G band instead of the 5G band. This is what I recommend you try: 1. Disconnect the eero and connect directly to your modem via Ethernet with a laptop or desktop and verify you are getting the speeds you expect. If not, restart your modem or contact your ISP. 2. Once step 1 is verified, hook up just one eero pro 6. Reset it if you have to but create a new SSID that’s different than what you had. For some reason, sometimes when you use your older SSID, your devices can potentially not connect to the optimal band or other weird things can happen. Make a new SSID just to be safe. 3. Connect an Ethernet cable to the eero pro 6 and connect it to your laptop or desktop or anything else that you can do a speed test on. Verify you are getting the 500 down and up you’re ISP provides. 4. Now connect to the new SSID, and run a speed test with a few different sites like Speedtest.net, speakeasy.net, google speed test, etc. This should work, People have told me they get almost gigabit speeds with it. For sure you can get to 500 as I get to 480 without issues when I’m close to the eero Hope this helps! Let me know how it goes.
@@landpet Thanks for the reply, I m going to try your suggestion over the weekend. I should have mentioned that when I connect via ethernet to any of the eero I get desired speed of close to ~490 up and ~490 down. The speed is significantly slow only on wireless connection to all devices no matter how close I m to the Eero unit.
@@landpet Hi, I did all your recommendations yet the speed is not above 200 mbps up or down. With I connect ethernet directly to ISP mode or to Eero I do get close to ~490 up and ~490 down. I m thinking to moving away from Eero to getting Orbi. Do you have plan to review AmpliFi Alien WiFi 6 WiFi System ?
@@dineshpalve Sure if you want to go with the Orbi (it's a solid router, then again so is the eero Pro 6 which hasn't been working well for you). I need to get my Asus reviews out (XT8 and the mini) as well as my tri-band mesh wifi comparisons. I don't have any current plans for the AmpliFi but may do it in the future, not anytime soon though. Either the eero's are faulty or your devices are capped. I feel like you've exhausted your options and switching to the Orbi is probably the best idea. Out of curiosity, is your laptop newer? Does it have Wi-Fi AX? Is it a 4x4 MIMO? Were you able to get faster speeds on any other wifi network with those devices? Do you live in a place with lots of wireless interference? I'm just confused why Wi-Fi would be so slow when I've had no issues with any of my devices hitting my max speeds.
I am also assuming your 5GHz is usable correct? There is an option in the eero Pro 6 to temporarily disable 5GHz for 2.4GHz devices to connect. You'll find it in "Settings->Troubleshooting->My Device won't connect->My device is 2.4GHz only". Make sure the legacy mode is disabled also which you will find in almost the same place "Settings->Troubleshooting->My Device won't connect->My device can't detect Wi-Fi 6"
@@landpet I have the Orbi ac4200 3 pack and the amount of drops is a bit too much (calls not coming through , voice call silence after 10 seconds… etc). Is there a setting or guide you could point me to manage my situation better? I have gigabit internet on a 2 floor 2500 sqft home. Subscribed! Thanks.
I have used both netgear orbi and eero pro 6 at this moment. I definitely agree that netgear in terms of speeds is better than eero pro 6 but software is where I hate netgear sometimes they came out with updates that annoys you breaks your internet etc. I think by now they probably fixed it but when it comes to reliability it’s a problem atleast for me. Netgear has a better hardware no doubt now the question is will they improve the way they handle their software if not then eero is the way. Eero man it just works seamlessly throughout the my whole house it doesn’t max out speeds every single time like my netgear used to but I never drop my internet and I never had any problems since past month when I switched to eero..
Not yet, I’ve been considering that one as well for comparisons sake but I currently have several videos in the queue while I ponder if I should get that or not l. Thanks for bringing it up!
I have a gigabit speed at router AX4200 but my speed on WiFi 6 devices like 11 pro max and iPad Pro 2020 far 1 foot from main router of Orbi about 300 only I complained a lot to Orbi , they claim that Speed test via Ookla isn’t reliable and they claim that the only reliable test is the test inside their application, which isn’t not true because I tried to log in to their application while turning off WIFI on my iPhone and the test it was 940 as well , which means it doesn’t show the actual speed reached to iPhone 11 Pro Max , I don’t know how they claim that this router is supported to 1Gig speed , anyone have the same issue ?
possible a buggy Orbi or not sure what to say. I recently got new ethernet cables and found out they were causing lag in the form of latency (takes a few seconds to get it to work but once it does, it works great), I'll definitely be returning those. Going to stick with the AmazonBasics brand as those have never let me down. But this is most likely not your issue, don't know what to say at this point.
Eero should be completely out of question. I have an Eero 6 and have so many issues with band steering, connectivity, and lack luster/ unfinished features. Check Reddit we’re all having these problems. Shame on Eero for rushing these routers out and I’m returning mine.
Funny I had the exact opposite experience. Tried Eero Pro 6 ($599) and Orbi RBK852 ($699) mesh systems. Granted speeds were faster on the Orbi initially, but kept getting slower and slower everyday. Internet kept randomly dropping out. Had to reboot the entire Orbi system weekly. Orbi App was also slow and buggy. Constantly had to close and reopen the app for real time updates when devices would connect. Eero Pro 6 had slightly slower speeds, but much more reliable connectivity. App is super fast. Handles 3 4K TVs, a PS5, 2 mobile phones, and a Ring security system like a champ. Haven’t needed to reboot the system once. Was disappointed in the Orbi considering it was more expensive.
Speed and range isn't everything. It would be help immensely if you could test connectivity in a Smart Home with 100+ devices over at least a month. Cam Secore does this kind of testing - ruclips.net/video/OrH7U4S_hJc/видео.html. After 2 months of pure hell testing/tweaking Google Nest Wi-Fi with 4 AP's, it failed miserably with frequent daily disconnects and pathetic speeds even when close to the router. Google Support said that the poor performance was due to the interference caused by the large number of W-Fi devices (which I question). I have been testing the eero 6 pro for 2 weeks and have not had any disconnects - so far so good. Initially had an issue with Leviton switches disconnecting but a firmware rollback fixed it. I am curious if the NETGEAR Orbi Whole Home Tri-Band Mesh Wi-Fi 6 System (RBK852) would perform as well. This review and Cam's do not give me the confidence in the Orbi - ruclips.net/video/zu4kB85W78c/видео.html. To me connectivity is the ULTIMATE test because when your Smart Home Speakers consistently says, "Sorry there has been a Glitch, try again later" your Smart Home is now a Dumb Home and useless. If eero 6 pro doesn't perform, my next step is a prosumer setup like The Hookup - ruclips.net/video/ufJ3dPAgFiM/видео.html.
That would be another good test. I don't have that many wifi devices to test that, I do have several smart home devices and haven't had any issues with them disconnecting.
After watching this I went ahead and got the Arris Touchstone CM8200 modem and the Orbi AX4200 2 pack and I’m consistently getting full speeds over WiFi….Thanks so much for the help man!!
Great to hear!
Great video! For some people the size of the house you are trying to cover will come into play. Say you have a 5,000 square foot house (and assume for now that you're going all wireless; no wired backhaul) then the Eero 6 Pro 3 pack wins. It's $600 versus the Orbi 2 pack at $700. The Orbi suffers ever so slightly in range tests and I honestly feel like a 2 pack is cutting it close for 5,000 square feet.
I'm probably biased though. I jumped from Eero to Orbi a few years ago when the Orbi first hit the market. I was BLOWN AWAY by the improvement in speeds. The Orbi was awesome. But then came some serious firmware problems. The system would constantly crash and reboot. Turns out it was an issue with Google devices (my pixel was causing it) but the Eero firmware was smart enough to handle the issues that Google was causing. Orbi's customer service throughout the whole ordeal was abysmal. The forums were a mess of angry people! Hopefully they've improve dramatically since then but It's going to be hard for me to go back.
I'm closing on a new house this week and I'll likely be upgrading my existing Eero Pro system to Eero Pro 6 (3 pack). I'll keep some of my existing Eero beacons to supplement if necessary but I think the 3 pack will more than cover what I need (roughly 4,500 square feet).
Anyway man - really great stuff you're doing with these mesh router reviews. Your range of tests are thorough and super informative. The BIG benefit in all these systems is the dedicated wireless backhaul channel (like on the Orbi and the Eero Pro 6 devices). That dedicated channel is what enables the faster speeds. Without that you lose a little speed on every hop from the main router.
Thanks for the feedback and your experience! It’s good to know the history of products, my Orbi has been working fine but I plan on keeping both the eero Pro 6 and Orbi and swap them weekly to see which one will do better long term. If I run into firmware issues, I will be sure to relay that info as you have. Congrats on the house! and I think you’ve made the right decision with the eero Pro 6 based on your previous experience and the fact that you can add more eero beacons if needed, granted the pro 6 3 pack might be enough as you mentioned.
The best explanation for using multi routers versus router and extenders.
Thanks!
Thank you for the review. I gave up on the eero pro 6 after 1 week of trying to optimize it for my setup. I've done a lot of rebooting, customer service etc. My speed is fast but multiple times a day, it would slow down to a crawl. Now I'm on the orbi rbk50. The older model with wifi 5. Couldn't be happier.
No worries, I haven't had any issues with either one but the Orbi does seem to be faster, so far I'm using that one.
Thanks for taking the time to explain most of the details in both systems. Now I got a better understanding of what I can buy for my house.
Glad it was useful!
Best comparison on you tube... Wish I woulda happened on this video before watching like 10 other vids... Anyway, superb job of explaining... And time stamps to boot to make easy access... Above and beyond... THANKS!!
Hi there! I subscribed because you are the only one who makes sense. One question: I have a fiber at&t internet 1gbps... what should I get? An eero pro or the orbi rbk752? Thanks!
Thanks! I saw your other comments.
You can't go wrong either way but I recently made a video (not posted yet) comparing 5 mesh wifi systems to each other and in that video I picked the Orbi as the winner. Honestly it's a tough decision, they're both good, eero gets slightly more coverage and Orbi gets slightly better speeds so I picked the Orbi as the winner.
Great WiFi review as usual. Very strange on 2 Eero Pro 6's wirelessly connected and the AC speed dropping that much. Probably another firmware will be rolling out to fix that. I ordered the Eero Pro 6 set based on your earlier reviews as I intend to use them where they are wirelessly connected and then use ethernet for a PC and PS4. The router should be 30-50 ft away from the access point. I'm hoping to get max speeds or close to it like you did. Thanks for all that you do. It makes buying this stuff easier without having to deal with returns. Hopefully...LOL
LOL! I think you'll get pretty good speeds for your PC and PS4 based on what you said. Yeah hoping they will release an update to take care of the AC devices. Eero Pro 6 hands down is amazing and so is the Netgear Orbi, honestly a tough decision between the two. Eero Pro 6 seems like a better value because of the lower price.
You deserve more subscribers!! You got one more here.🤙🏽
I appreciate that! Thanks!
Great reviews as always- interesting to see you choose the mid range Orbi to review vrs the top of the range eero pro 6 - I think the Eero seems to win in this review due to its cheaper price variance .
Thanks! I chose the mid range cause it's the same speed rating of ax4200 and a "similar" price point even though it does cost more. The high end Orbi cost much more so thought it's not a fair comparison to make. But it makes sense from a top tier to a top tier comparison as well. I like both routers, wondering which one I'm going to use as my main mesh wifi. I was just so impressed with Orbi's ability to hit max speeds no matter the configuration.
@@landpet both seem good products - for me personally I need to have powerful unit for the house to run lots of items wirelessly plus with an ability to connect a satellite unit 80ft away in a garden room . The Orbi has more ports which is helpful but my set up will ultimately be connected house to garden room with cable
Tbh I thought the eero performed well but I am still keen on the high end Orbi - if it comes down in price
Hello, would you add a mesh wifi/system to a 1,000 sq ft condo? If so, what would you recommend? Thanks!
If the router is in the center of the condo, then probably not necessary but if it’s in one corner of the place then yes I would. Either of these would make a good choice, maybe I would lean a tad more in the Orbi’s direction
Thanks for your helpful reviews. I’m glad the Eero Pro is on sale. I now have one coming to replace my Apple Time Capsule.
It's an awesome router especially with the sale price. The Netgear Orbi is also amazing
Let me know how that goes. I’m still using an Apple Time Capsule with another Apple router as an extender. My current system still works reliably. I’ve tried two other mesh systems (google and Netgear) which didn’t maintain a good mesh signal and I returned both of those mesh systems.
@@douginNC28139 After looking again at the family budget and testing the speed on my Time Capsule and the Airport Extreme used as an extender, I've decided to cancel my Eero order and stay with the Time Capsule for the time being. When I tested my system again, I found that the Apple Extreme I use as a wifi extender upstairs is giving the same 200 MB service I'm getting from the Time Capsule directly connected to the cable router. I wanted to trade up to an Eero as we are getting new iPhone 12s which offer wifi 6 which is unsupported by the older Apple routers. Also, the HD in the Time Capsule has failed and I thought perhaps the Time Capsule's wifi might also be on its last legs. But as my wife reminded me, the Time Capsule still provides fine service and meets our needs at home. So I'll just hold on with the wifi set up I have until it no longer works. So it looks like I've reached the same decision as you. I wish Apple still supported its routers but they made great equipment that lasts and the money I've saved on not getting the Eero Pro can help pay for the new iPhones.
I am thinking of purchasing the ax4200 but I have a question about hardwiring. In your videos you say you can connect via Ethernet wire from the router to the satellite but can you run an Ethernet wire from the back of the Orbi satellite to an Xbox at the same time. I guess the satellite would act as a hardwired router. I can’t find my answer on any videos or netgear site
Excellent details. Nicely done!
Thank you!
Best reviewed so far 👍👍👍
Thanks
Awesome review!👌
Thanks
Thanks for your videos Landpet, huge fan!
I am struggling with QoS on the Orbi because there is no option to set whatsoever. I have a few Ring cameras that seem to be hogging my upload bandwidth (which is a pathetic 5Mbps where I live). I was hoping to bump them down on priority during daytimes to allow WFH video conferences to not lag, but no luck.
Any idea if Eero or some other brand might be a better one to switch to?
Our vidéoconférences go through work VPNs so any sort of automatic traffic management won’t work for us.
Thanks! Eero has a similar smart qos type of system that does it automatically. I don’t know if there’s any benefit to switching. People are generally happy with the smart qos style but your situation is a bit unique.
These new routers are designed to be simple but as a result they do have to automate fields. Maybe worth checking out a regular asus router or something similar.
Man awesome review. 👍
Thanks!
Great review / comparison. 👍 thank you
No problem 👍
To what extent we can still benefit from those mesh solutions if we cannot put our main modem/router in Bridge mode?
What are the alternatives? Does creating another SSID help?
Thanks for the video. Good content
Thanks for the feedback and the question!
The main purpose of using a mesh system is to expand your WiFi coverage on a single SSID. If you don’t put your modem router combo in bridge mode then you will have 2 different networks with 2 different SSID’s. I think this complicates things, something I try to avoid. Really depends what you’re trying to achieve, if you want a simple feet WiFi coverage system then a mesh system is for you.
Alternatives are keeping your existing setup or replacing with a single powerful router granted mesh systems tend to outperform these types of single routers.
I usd to own a pair of RBK 30. Those had horrible stability and speed. My internet is 1000 up and down (fiber). Have you had experience with bad orbis? Do you know if these ones are more stable than their other models?
I'm currently doing a long term test, so far so good.
@@landpet Thank you for the reply. Are you planning a video discussing the firmware version and such you are using? Or could you let me know? I'm scared to buy an orbi because of my history. But I live in Denmark and I cannot get an eero pro 6 unfortunately which was my top pick.
How does the internet backhaul work with the Orbi?
My understanding:
- 1 router connects to the modem directly with ethernet
- the satellite connects to the router
- I place the satellite in the order room
Do simply plug in an ethernet cable into the back port of the satellite and to my device (PS4), and would mimic Ethernet ported speed?
What you mentioned is called wireless backhaul. Ethernet backhaul is when the satellite is connected to the Orbi router via an ethernet cable.
@@landpet Ah, would my above scenario still work with the Orbi?
@@natet53 Yes it will work but you may or may not get the full speeds on your PS4 for example depending on your internet speeds.
What link speed are you getting to the iphone 12 pro when connected to either of these? I've a netgear nighthawk rax200 and I get connected at 1200Mbps at close range, however I believe the iphone should be capable of connecting at 2400Mbps
Link rate is 1201 for the iPhone 12 Pro to the Orbi
i was waiting for this i end up with the eero cause my local best buy had it if not would of gone with the eero 6 cause i only need 2 not 3 but lets say witch is app is better and which one do you use at your house
I really like both, apps are both easy to use. I'm deciding which one to use, right now I'm on the Orbi.
Thanks for the review. Surprising the Orbi lost the range test.
Yes it is and that's why I test these things cause sometimes you do get surprises
thanks for making these videos, very helpful.
No problem! Thanks!
You mentioned to disable my router combo component on my Cox modem when installing an Eero Pro 6. Is that the case with all of the mesh routers e.g. Orbi and Nest? Is this to avoid having two active routers?
Yes this is the case for all routers to avoid having more than 1 active router
@@landpet Thanks for confirming what I thought you instructed. Great videos that are professional, comprehensive and quite helpful.
Thanks! If you want to see all the connections demoed, I did several other videos depending on which one you're interested in. The eero Pro 6 tutorial is here: ruclips.net/video/n_T0LAb0Slg/видео.html
You can see all the others on my channel, they're all recently posted.
Can you compare the Google Nest Wifi vs the Netgear Orbi AX6000. I am invested in the google ecosystem and wanting to upgrade my old Apple Airport Extreme. Should I go with Netgear Orbi AX6000, Google Mesh with ethernet backhaul or the Eero Pro? I am trying to cover approx 5000 sq feet of space
Nest Wifi is a good router, works very well if you have ethernet backhaul. You will notice less of a difference between the Nest Wifi, Orbi and eero Pro 6 if you use ethernet backhaul. They are all good from what I've seen. Price per performance though eero Pro 6 seems to be ahead of the competition. I currently oscillate between the eero Pro 6 and the Orbi (switching them out once a week, not at use at the same time). I'm doing this so I can do a long term review of them on RUclips. If it wasn't for me doing RUclips reviews, I didn't even see a need to upgrade from my Nest Wifi since it was a rock solid router with no dropouts.
@@landpet Thank you for the quick response. I think I will go with google since I don't have any wifi 6 devices yet and I have a lot of google-enabled IoTs and I have a wired back haul to the 3 routers I plan to install at each level. Another good "prosumer" router to review is the Orbi Pro Wifi 6. Really like that it has 4 VLANS and a different SSID for each VLAN. Each SSID can be setup for family/employees IoT, Guests and Home Entertainment.
the video been looking in the internet for I end up buying the orbi be cause my local best buy so which one do you use as your main one and which app is the more easy to use
They both have useful easy to use apps. I'm currently using the Orbi but still wondering which I'm going to use as my main. I'm currently leaning more towards the Orbi but it's a tough decision cause they're both great.
Hi currently in the uk the eero pro 6 for 3 is the same price as Orbi For 2.
I will be using wireless backup. Currently my IP speed is 200 mps increasing to 350 mps shortly.
What would you suggest as better value and increased range?
I’d go with the eero pro 6 for those prices
Hi,
I have actually found a deal with Costco UK
Eero pro6 for 3 routers is £425
Orbi RBK5753 (3) routers if £499 so only £74 difference.
At that difference would you recommend Eero still? Or other?
My set up is over 3 floors, old thick brick walls.
Ideally wireless but may hardwire 2 routers ,
Streaming will be 4K streaming, work laptops and wireless Xbox series X gaming
Thanks
They're both really good from what I've seen. You could flip a coin lol since the price difference is not much. Eero has slightly better range and Orbi has slightly better speeds. Maybe I would go with the Orbi
@@landpet thanks. And fantastic reviews
Went for the Orbi 👍🏻
Final question, what app do you use for speed tests (iOS).
Thanks
What app
Great review 👍
Thanks
I have an Orbi system ( router + 1 satellite) for a 1500 square foot single story house. I have heard that to get really good coverage and speed you should mount the router and satellites as high as possible on the wall. Is this true or just more work for little return? I have the router in the master bedroom and the satellite in the living room both on table tops around 2 feet off the ground. Using the Orbi app I measure 940 mbs (paying for 800 mbs via Xfinity). My second question is what WiFi speed test app is everyone using in these You Tube videos? I am not sure I trust the Orbi app for checking WiFi speed
I have my main one up higher and my secondary one at desk height. I think as long as it’s desk height, you should be ok. Another thing that’s more important is to place them in a more open area if possible, meaning don’t hide them behind other electronics. For internet speed tests, I use the speed test app. For local speed tests, I use the open speed test server which I haven’t done in this video. I started doing those about 8 months ago starting with the Asus ET8
I'm based in the UK and our speeds are not that great, we just about get 1gb now.
Before I buy anything, I like to thoroughly research all aspects. It was a toss up between the orbi and eero 6 Pro. I think I'm going to go towards orbi, simply for the speed, consistency and stability.
However, I've heard negative reviews about netgears app and limited functionality as well as updates which makes people's Internet drop.
For me speed, consistency and stability are important. Range is the last thing I consider but its still something I need.
Apart from orbi, are there any tp link products that compare to the orbi? Only because of the better app and features. I would have the Asus et8 but in the UK we are restricted with products, and I've heard Asus doesn't have great reviews on the app, stability but has awesome safety features and free parental Controls etc.
Can you advise and shed some light on orbi alternative, like tp range, Asus models for the UK etc. Maybe you can review app features of brands so people know what to expect, as well as features, like free protection, parental controls etc
Thanks, keep up the awesome work. Really helpful and informative
I do like the new tp link products like the Deco XE75 or XE75 Pro. They have free basic parental controls and good range with good speeds. I heard some of the negative reviews on the Orbis but have not experienced it myself on the RBK752 or RBKE963. Asus has the most options from all the routers I test and the ET8 and ET12 Pro are both great systems.
The simple answer is, I like the TP Link Deco XE75 for the budget systems and the Asus ET12 or Netgear Orbi RBKE963 for the expensive systems.
Hope this helps and thanks for the feedback!
Is Mesh Wifi just a marketing term? What's the difference between a "Mesh Network" and buying 2 routers and having 1 as a access point or a range extender?
(Edit): also great and informative video, learned way more than what I was expecting
Thanks! Mesh wifi and mesh network are basically the same thing as you mentioned. The only difference is that these mesh wifi routers are designed with mesh in mind meaning they actually test that as a good portion which is why they're seamless when you walk through your place. Your device switches from one to another effortlessly without a drop or lag. Mesh network is more like you're buying a router which is mostly designed to work by itself but can work with an access point to extend your network. In the past, I had a mesh network setup and while it worked fine, it wouldn't switch as fast and you would get those occasional cut of signals. I'm sure with newer devices they've solved that so it's basically the same thing.
I went with the orbi before this eero pro 6 came out but my choices were between the eero pro and orbi WiFi 6 rbk852 which is orbi model above the one you reviewed. Now that the eero has the eero pro 6 version I went back to the websites to compare the top models once again from the 2 companies and I’ve seen that the orbi has upgraded as well. The top orbi now can achieve speeds of 6GPS 😳. I originally went with the orbi because of speed and and hoping that one day I’ll be eligible for the Comcast gig pro service 🤤.
They’re both good.
I get very confused regarding range with these devices. I live out in the country but have a good wireless ISP with 12MB download and 2MB upload, which is fine for me. I currently have a last generation Apple Time Capsule, and I can get a usable signal at 180 feet from it, and a poor signal at 220 feet. So when you talk about a range of 70 feet losing performance it gives me pause.
Am I overthinking this? Would an Orbi 6 replace my Apple Time Capsule without a significant loss of range?
Good question, the more interference the less the range becomes. If you’re in the country, then you should get much more range than me. It should get you more range than your time capsule. Results can vary a lot based on radio interference and walls.
You may be missing one of the reasons for a tri-band router. The reason you got better speed with Orbi satellite wirelessly connected over the eero extender wireless connected is the Orbi has the extra wireless channel to use for backhaul.
Yup, you are correct. I believe I mentioned that tri band typically helps with wireless backhaul at 1:42. You're right though I didn't say that specifically in this video. I feel like I've said that in one of my other videos but can't remember which one lol.
For 70 mbps speed and concrete 3 story house 4 eero pro 6 or 4 rbk754. About 100 dollars difference in price, what would be your best bet system. Using a orbi rbk53 now. Thank you!
both of those choices should be fine, I would recommend getting at least 3 units, one for each floor if you're going to use wireless backhaul. Orbi should be faster and eero should get slightly more range, both good choices. I think TP Link Deco XE75 is also good.
@@landpet thank you for the reply, I just bought the eero pro 6 4 pcs. I’m currently using the orbi rbk53 and it’s starting to die. The pink light comes on even when there is till internet going thru the system
@@landpet will I feel the difference is speed with the eero vs the orbi?
@@victorrijos5528 probably not since your internet is not going to max out either the eero or the orbi
@@landpet thank you for all your help and advice! Your Chanel rocks!!
Excellent review..
Thanks!
I just bought 9 eero pro 6 for my house. You ask why i bought that many. Well my house is built with cement at has 4 floors. So imagine if cellular ssrvice is blocked would orbi work. Im guessing not. So im planning going all wired and ill update you of what would happen😊
Wired is definitely the way to go, please do keep me posted on how 9 work together if that's even possible, it might be. The Nest WiFi recommends no more than 5 mesh systems in the same network, I don't remember seeing a limit on the eero but there might be one.
Can you use the eero pro 6 router by itself and get good coverage for a 1850 square feet home?
In theory, yes but it really depends where you’re placing the router and how much other interference exists such as walls, other wireless interference nearby, etc.
You can always get 1, place it in the center of your house, if possible, and try it out, if it’s not good, then add 1 more and at that point you can switch the places so they’re strategically located to provide great coverage throughout, again if possible.
I feel like you’ll probably need 2 for great coverage.
Having a smaller range can be a good thing, particularly in a high density area. you have a small mesh network with little noise and you're using the advantage of a mesh. If you just have one access point, then I can see having something with lots of range. I think of it like a speaker, if you just have one, then how loud matters, but if you have several, you don't need them to be loud, you can instead, have them sound good as the range is not an issue due to the satellite access points. How would you test for that in a place like a condo complex? Does this have any relevance?
In a condo/apartment, you would typically get less range cause of the extra walls all around (compared to a house) and the fact that your neighbors have their own wireless signals. This test was done in a building, so should give you a good idea that in a house environment you can expect to go farther.
I bought both from Best Buy. I was getting better speeds with the Orbi. I decided to return both to Best Buy and buy the Orbi 753S (1 router and 2 satellites) from Costco for $430. I figured the 2nd satellite would help with the range.
Thanks for that info, so same as me, better speeds with the Orbi. Costco does have an amazing sale going on. I personally only need 2 otherwise I would get the Costco deal.
I've been watching your videos, thanks for your effort in this.
I have two homes, about 75' from the corner of one to the corner of the other. Ideally, I'd get a ethernet wire from one house to the other, but can't do that at this point in time.
I'm currently using Google Nest Mesh but I can't get it to stay connected to the modem, it drops out multiple times a day. When it's up, coverage is OK.
I'm thinking of another mesh system, from a diff manufacturer.
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Landpet - which system is best at long distance between main and satellite, in your opinion?
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The house with the sat is low usage, generally a netflix movie at most and of course, now some zoom meetings.
Well I don't know if they will work at that distance but the fact that the nest wifi works sometimes gives me hope. Both eero Pro 6 and Netgear Orbi are superior to the Nest wifi when it comes to wifi range. On paper, the Orbi is better but from what I tested, the eero Pro 6 did better but again that can vary based on the shape of your place and if there is anything in between both homes. Based on my results, I would say try the eero Pro 6, if that doesn't work well then try the Orbi.
@@landpet Thanks for that. Maybe next year I can get a wire run over to the other house.
Would definitely help should be good in the meantime with a triband mesh wifi.
@@landpet I'm ready to order there's more options than I thought. I'd like two routers but nothing packaged that way. I see a Router+beacon but is that as good as two routers? I can get the 3-router-pack if that's my best option. And just not use the 3rd.
EDIT: I see the beacons are dual band, so I think I'll just get the 3 pack pro routers.
What’s the advantage of Ethernet back haul?? I would imagine you would want the eero 6 pro routers in different rooms to extend the WiFi coverage
Ethernet backhaul pretty much guarantees fastest possible speeds. Yes I have them in separate rooms to extend wifi coverage and ensure faster speeds throughout
@@landpet thanks for the quick reply! i plan on getting a 3 pack of the eero pro routers. Would it make sense to have 2 of them in the same room and do ethernet backhaul while the third is connected via wifi and on a floor where there are dead zones?
@@walleye187 If that room is huge then maybe, you don't want them to close to each router and not to far away so typically they shouldn't be in the same room, again unless the room is huge.
why are you getting more speed than what you paid for? is it because of the modem?
Spectrum usually gives more speed than what they advertise. It's not the modem, well it would be if my modem was capped but my modem can tolerate much faster speeds. Their signal actually is faster than what they advertise.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,ALOT OF HELP, GREAT VIDEO,ANSWERED ALL ?S I HAD ,THANK YOU ..STAY SAFE
Glad it was helpful! You too
Good video, consider to add few more things include how long each router get security update , show how router act with more devices load , how’s privacy policy , does it matter to buy expensive router if you have low speed internet
Thanks for the feedback! Security updates vary, usually get more towards the launch of the device until bugs are resolved. I currently have 35 devices total including wired and wireless. No problem with multiple devices being on at the same time. Netflix doesn't lag, youtube doesn't lag, surfing web is still fast. Lastly, getting these are more about increasing your wifi coverage regardless of your internet speeds because older routers like my old asus (7 year old router) can easily keep up with my internet speeds. It's only when you get to gigabit internet speeds that you need to start being picky with the routers like getting one of these.
I'll keep that in mind cause this is useful information for people as well, thanks again for the great questions!
My internet is rated for 1 gig, I've tried the alien, a well known router, even with being close to the router, I'm only getting 200mbps with an iPhone 12 pro max, I've tried different routers and they all have similar speeds, any ideas? Currently I have about 14 devices connected to it, thanks great video
Thanks!
Did you test the speeds with ethernet? I'm assuming you get 1 gig that way? My internet is not that fast but I easily get the 480 on wifi and ethernet with pretty much all the routers I've tested.
I had a question..
I have spectrum service with the basic package of 100mbps but yesterday spectrum gave it's customers an additional 100mbps for free.
Prior to the additional free upgrade of extra speed. Direct connect obviously gives me the fastest speed but I mainly use my internet wirelessly. Typically direct connect I get a bit more than 100 down
I do not use the spectrum wireless router as I got recommend to get my own router because the spectrum provided one was trash and has issues switching off and on.
So I got a netgear ac1000 dualband nighthawk and it works fine and get around 90ish plus mbps down out of the 100mbps using the 5ghz band. Using the 2.4ghz yields me 20 down out of the 100.
Fast forward to today when I got the notice that spectrum was giving me the free upgrade to 200mbps down. I was excited but then disappointed very fast as when I tested my internet speed and was still getting the 90ish plus down out of 200mbps.
Direct connect yields 220mbps so I figured it must be the router.
Is my router not strong enough to push out the fast speeds? I would have thought I would have surpassed the 100mbps considering the newly upgrade.
What should I do? What router would you recommend? I do playing pc games which I do not play direct connect at this time but I do have a nighthawk wifi adapter using the 5hz band which aids in a stable connection..
All of my devices as of now are non WiFi 6.
It seems I may need a stronger router but not sure where to start and It also seems I may need to do something like adding another router for ethernet backlog or backload whatever it's called for my desktop
I just want to get closer to my full speeds wirelessly. Thanks
Forgot to add that I live in a 500 square foot studio. So everything is within proximity
Thanks for the detailed info, helps paint a better picture. While your router is on the slower end, it looks like it can support 200Mbps.
So a few things to mention, wireless routers obviously degrade in speed the farther your device is placed. So while your router can support 200Mbps, it may not be able to support those speeds a certain distance away.
So I'm assuming you restarted the router and modem and everything and no matter what you do it doesn't get over 90Mbps.
If this is the case, getting a single eero Pro 6 router should solve your internet issues. If you want to get something less expensive, I'm thinking even a single eero 6 router will suffice.
I recently made a video (not posted yet, still need to edit) but I determined that the TP Link Deco X60 is the best budget friendly mesh system but in a 500 sq. ft. Studio, I think 1 router is more than enough (assuming you just care about inside coverage). Since the TP Link comes in a 2 pack, I think one eero 6 router will most likely suffice, if not for sure one eero Pro 6 will get you those full speeds.
Hope this helps!
@@landpet ya I restarted and powered cycled both modem and router. And even standing in front of the router I still get the same 90ish mbps.
So will either one eero 6 or 6 pro give me better gains? Let's say range isn't the issue? Is my router just not strong enough even though it supports 200mbps?
My other issue is getting a strong signal to my netgear nighthawk wifi adapter that's connected to my pc. Would the 6pro give me better speeds or do I need a 2nd eero 6 or 6pro and do a ethernet backhaul?
Would ethernet backhauling be better than a wifi adapter like what I have?
Oddly enough a friend of mine also has the same package from spectrum and uses the spectrum router and gets 230mbps down. The same router I understood was trash.
His complaint is that the router connects on and off.
I have net speed of 500 up and 500 down , I bought 3 pack Eero pro 6 and my setup is Option #3. No matter how close I m to any of the Eero pro 6 my download wifi speed is never above 180. Same with option #4. I tested this on laptop and iPhone X and iPhone 8 Plus. The Eero tech support says that this is the maximum speed I will get on wifi. I wonder how you get 480 plus on iPhone, any thoughts ?
Eero tech guy is wrong. You can easily get 500 down, my upload is not fast but I’m sure you can get 500 up as well. I get 480 down with all my phones, tablets, laptops.
Did you try restarting your modem? Have you directly connected to the modem via Ethernet to a laptop or desktop to test the speeds without the eero to verify you do intact get 500 down. If so, the only logical thing that comes to mind is that your devices are connecting on the 2.4G band instead of the 5G band.
This is what I recommend you try:
1. Disconnect the eero and connect directly to your modem via Ethernet with a laptop or desktop and verify you are getting the speeds you expect. If not, restart your modem or contact your ISP.
2. Once step 1 is verified, hook up just one eero pro 6. Reset it if you have to but create a new SSID that’s different than what you had. For some reason, sometimes when you use your older SSID, your devices can potentially not connect to the optimal band or other weird things can happen. Make a new SSID just to be safe.
3. Connect an Ethernet cable to the eero pro 6 and connect it to your laptop or desktop or anything else that you can do a speed test on. Verify you are getting the 500 down and up you’re ISP provides.
4. Now connect to the new SSID, and run a speed test with a few different sites like Speedtest.net, speakeasy.net, google speed test, etc.
This should work, People have told me they get almost gigabit speeds with it. For sure you can get to 500 as I get to 480 without issues when I’m close to the eero
Hope this helps! Let me know how it goes.
@@landpet Thanks for the reply, I m going to try your suggestion over the weekend. I should have mentioned that when I connect via ethernet to any of the eero I get desired speed of close to ~490 up and ~490 down. The speed is significantly slow only on wireless connection to all devices no matter how close I m to the Eero unit.
@@landpet Hi, I did all your recommendations yet the speed is not above 200 mbps up or down. With I connect ethernet directly to ISP mode or to Eero I do get close to ~490 up and ~490 down. I m thinking to moving away from Eero to getting Orbi. Do you have plan to review AmpliFi Alien WiFi 6 WiFi System ?
@@dineshpalve Sure if you want to go with the Orbi (it's a solid router, then again so is the eero Pro 6 which hasn't been working well for you). I need to get my Asus reviews out (XT8 and the mini) as well as my tri-band mesh wifi comparisons. I don't have any current plans for the AmpliFi but may do it in the future, not anytime soon though.
Either the eero's are faulty or your devices are capped. I feel like you've exhausted your options and switching to the Orbi is probably the best idea.
Out of curiosity, is your laptop newer? Does it have Wi-Fi AX? Is it a 4x4 MIMO? Were you able to get faster speeds on any other wifi network with those devices? Do you live in a place with lots of wireless interference? I'm just confused why Wi-Fi would be so slow when I've had no issues with any of my devices hitting my max speeds.
I am also assuming your 5GHz is usable correct? There is an option in the eero Pro 6 to temporarily disable 5GHz for 2.4GHz devices to connect. You'll find it in "Settings->Troubleshooting->My Device won't connect->My device is 2.4GHz only". Make sure the legacy mode is disabled also which you will find in almost the same place "Settings->Troubleshooting->My Device won't connect->My device can't detect Wi-Fi 6"
Best for WiFi calling?
Both fine for that
@@landpet I have the Orbi ac4200 3 pack and the amount of drops is a bit too much (calls not coming through
, voice call silence after 10 seconds… etc). Is there a setting or guide you could point me to manage my situation better?
I have gigabit internet on a 2 floor 2500 sqft home.
Subscribed! Thanks.
@@AntonioAvila1 Have you tried restarting all of them? It normally shouldn't be dropping. Does your internet drop also or just the wifi calling?
What about wireless for 2 Eero 6 pro.
I don't understand the question
I have used both netgear orbi and eero pro 6 at this moment. I definitely agree that netgear in terms of speeds is better than eero pro 6 but software is where I hate netgear sometimes they came out with updates that annoys you breaks your internet etc. I think by now they probably fixed it but when it comes to reliability it’s a problem atleast for me. Netgear has a better hardware no doubt now the question is will they improve the way they handle their software if not then eero is the way. Eero man it just works seamlessly throughout the my whole house it doesn’t max out speeds every single time like my netgear used to but I never drop my internet and I never had any problems since past month when I switched to eero..
Thanks for the heads up! They’re both good for me
I just learned about this "Ubiquiti Unifi dream machine" that's supposed to be the best router ever. Have you ever tried that router?
Not yet, I’ve been considering that one as well for comparisons sake but I currently have several videos in the queue while I ponder if I should get that or not l. Thanks for bringing it up!
I have a gigabit speed at router AX4200 but my speed on WiFi 6 devices like 11 pro max and iPad Pro 2020 far 1 foot from main router of Orbi about 300 only I complained a lot to Orbi , they claim that Speed test via Ookla isn’t reliable and they claim that the only reliable test is the test inside their application, which isn’t not true because I tried to log in to their application while turning off WIFI on my iPhone and the test it was 940 as well , which means it doesn’t show the actual speed reached to iPhone 11 Pro Max , I don’t know how they claim that this router is supported to 1Gig speed , anyone have the same issue ?
Thanks for that info. Did you try restarting the router or your device?
@@landpet yes for sure this is the first solution and I stayed in connection ( chat and calls ) with Orbi support team but without solution
@@Amawi what kind of modem do you have? Who is your ISP through?
possible a buggy Orbi or not sure what to say. I recently got new ethernet cables and found out they were causing lag in the form of latency (takes a few seconds to get it to work but once it does, it works great), I'll definitely be returning those. Going to stick with the AmazonBasics brand as those have never let me down. But this is most likely not your issue, don't know what to say at this point.
Eero should be completely out of question. I have an Eero 6 and have so many issues with band steering, connectivity, and lack luster/ unfinished features. Check Reddit we’re all having these problems. Shame on Eero for rushing these routers out and I’m returning mine.
Are you referring to the eero 6 or the eero Pro 6? This video is about the eero Pro 6.
Funny I had the exact opposite experience. Tried Eero Pro 6 ($599) and Orbi RBK852 ($699) mesh systems. Granted speeds were faster on the Orbi initially, but kept getting slower and slower everyday. Internet kept randomly dropping out. Had to reboot the entire Orbi system weekly. Orbi App was also slow and buggy. Constantly had to close and reopen the app for real time updates when devices would connect. Eero Pro 6 had slightly slower speeds, but much more reliable connectivity. App is super fast. Handles 3 4K TVs, a PS5, 2 mobile phones, and a Ring security system like a champ. Haven’t needed to reboot the system once. Was disappointed in the Orbi considering it was more expensive.
@@landpet the Eero 6 but the Pro uses the same app and has similar however less problems.
@@Addiktzz I’ve noticed these routers are hit or miss. But Eero has a much higher failure rate.
@@Lucas_Antar I've heard/read issues on both sides but I haven't experienced any.
Changed to talktalk 900 very slow can't connect alexa eco dot
Not sure I understand, which mesh system are you referring to? Generally speaking, there are better options now like the TP-Link Deco XE75.
Excellent review. You look tired bruh.
Take a nap.
Thanks! Lol, just did :)
The orbi is beefy. At least 3x the size. Not sure how I feel about it.
It sure is beefy!
Speed and range isn't everything. It would be help immensely if you could test connectivity in a Smart Home with 100+ devices over at least a month. Cam Secore does this kind of testing - ruclips.net/video/OrH7U4S_hJc/видео.html. After 2 months of pure hell testing/tweaking Google Nest Wi-Fi with 4 AP's, it failed miserably with frequent daily disconnects and pathetic speeds even when close to the router. Google Support said that the poor performance was due to the interference caused by the large number of W-Fi devices (which I question). I have been testing the eero 6 pro for 2 weeks and have not had any disconnects - so far so good. Initially had an issue with Leviton switches disconnecting but a firmware rollback fixed it. I am curious if the NETGEAR Orbi Whole Home Tri-Band Mesh Wi-Fi 6 System (RBK852) would perform as well. This review and Cam's do not give me the confidence in the Orbi - ruclips.net/video/zu4kB85W78c/видео.html.
To me connectivity is the ULTIMATE test because when your Smart Home Speakers consistently says, "Sorry there has been a Glitch, try again later" your Smart Home is now a Dumb Home and useless. If eero 6 pro doesn't perform, my next step is a prosumer setup like The Hookup - ruclips.net/video/ufJ3dPAgFiM/видео.html.
That would be another good test. I don't have that many wifi devices to test that, I do have several smart home devices and haven't had any issues with them disconnecting.
Speed test in low internet speed. Not worth these when talk about wifi 6
wifi 6 would help with range even with slow internet but you do have a point, it's not going to help with the speeds at slow internet speeds.
Excellent job. Enunciate. Speak just a little slower please. Smile. You look annoyed often. Great service to others. Well done.
Thanks. Hahahhaha, do I?