Too Much Power? SVS 16 Ultras vs SB4000 - Subwoofers for the Garage or Home
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- I've unboxed these monsters to try out in this garage, and I quickly found out that due to the sheer size of these, the room really needs to be built around one (or a pair!) The 4000 does fit amazingly well however and flush next to my cabinet though. I think that is what I would go with.
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XLR uses a positive signal, flipped negative signal and neutral. Any noise introduced in the cable run will affect the negative signal and positive signal differently. At the speaker the positive and negative signal are run through a differentiating op-amp and the signal noise is removed. This is commonly referred to as a balanced signal.
Also get +3db on the signal stength to the speaker since the cable has a negative mirror signal vs 0v common on an RCA or other unbalanced connector type. XLR is great for electrically noisy environments or when you have long connection runs.
I recently acquired the SVS pb2000-pro and 1. I did not look at the specs before I ordered it and holy shit it’s HUGE and I have a pretty good sized living room so if space is a concern the 2000pro is not the sub for you and 2. It absolutely THUMPS! It vibrates every wall, drawer, cabinet, door knob and window in my house which is mid-sized 1500sq foot single story house. I was watching Godzilla: King of the Monsters last night and this subwoofer was vibrating my sweatpants and that’s something I’ve never experienced before and it’s incredible. The biggest difference has been in movies and hip/hop music where there is seriously low hard hitting bass. Im beyond pleased with the upgrade to my 2 channel system!
You have definitely sold me on an SVS sub. Thank you for such an in depth review. I love your garage. I showed my wife you can actually rent your house for a week. I don't think they'd get me out of the garage.
I work in a photo lab the size of a bedroom inside of a metal shop. We've blown 3 Klipsch 2.1 promedia sub speakers. I splurged on a scratch & dent, svs sb 1000 pro, and a discontinued SVS Prime Wireless speaker set. Both of them, new, from Crutchfield for $1250 after tax. I'm in that limbo where I don't know what I bought until it gets delivered.
I was nervous on that first youtube search of the SVS sub. Instant relief, when I saw your channel- and your collection of SVS subs in the thumbnail.
Edit: Swapped out the SVS Prime's with PSB Alpha AM5's w/ Crutchfield before they shipped. Thanks, boss.
In our country, you can get the SB4000 also in piano black which is my preference. No problem to "take good care" of equipment with this kind of finish (always wearing fine white gloves), at least not with my current Focal Sopra SW1000 😊
Good job taking on the SVS line I think it’s a good choice, nice fit and finish. I think I’m going wit a Emotiva RS11 though, mostly so it matches my amplifiers. 👍🏻🔈
And now they're about to release a 17. I'm guessing to make the difference between the 4000 more substantial. I have the 4000 and it's amazing and the size is perfect for my apartment.
I've had the SB13 Ultra (recently upgraded to SB4000 amp) in piano gloss for 7 years now, not a scratch in the finish... 👌It needs the occasional microfiber cloth though...
I’m going to take a guess that there are no little kids around your house. 😂
@@petemathews6237 Correct ;)
Love the video. I have two pb16-ultra's and I love them.....just need a bigger room!
26:13 these are the type of descriptions I need lol. Currently I have dual Klipsch 120sw and in the market for a serious upgrade. Was thinking PB 4000 then klipsch just announced their new sub line but on paper it doesnt look like they will stack up to PB 16 ultra and pb 4000. Leaning heavy on picking up 16 Ultra and maybe getting another next year. If I get the 16 ultra not sure if if the 120sw will hold it back or If I should just remove completely. Hoping some reviews on the new klipsch subs are released soon. Right now, I'm itching to hit submit on the 16 ultra
With one pair of the ultra 16in a room that is 20 long 14 wide in the ceilings are about 9 ft tall.. I'm able to create sound pressures that have actually put hairline cracks in one window pane in that particular room... And I brag about it because it is absolutely awesome..
That one can create such son pressures with SVS subwoofers😊😊😊
thanks very much man this is the most detailed information about which SVS subwoofer you might choose for your home.. remember if you can to set up your subwoofers in an empty room first no furniture it'll definitely help you play some correctly the second is remember the size of your room reflects the type of subwoofer you would actually need.. in order to cracked concrete or move your home's foundation a few inches in any One direction that you choose..😊 have a happy and demolition type sound in your your dwelling
Damn! Your garage is nicer than some peoples house.
I'm a big fan of Hi-Fi sound and love to immerse myself in it whenever possible. I really enjoyed the way you explained. Definitely subscribed. ♦
On the next episode, we PPF speaker cabinet.
Matt will be the first to PPF a speaker cabinet on RUclips
Then ceramic coat them
Am planning to have one in my land cruiser
I pulled the trigger and got the pb16 ultra and man this thing bumps, I think my neighbors hate me now. 😅
Wow! Great feedback and opinion on the SVS subs!
I ordered SB4000 . Best for chinema , tv , music and game. BLACK VINEER😃
I agree about good music in the garage. I have an older svs duel 12” but could up my game in there.
What a great review. I do a lot of gaming so I can wait to Feel this through my whole body. When you said you can feel this in you chest and 16 ultra you can feel in your whole body and it can hurt you lol I'm like yeeeeessss I want that sound to hurt so good lol So looking forward to experiencing this.
Great series of vids. Would you ever suggest one ported and one sealed? Would that be the best of both worlds, or just weird? Thanks
Hey Matt! I was running a PB 13 Ultra in my home theater system, but then I graduated to a JL Audio Gotham 213. In my opinion the Gotham is the "ultimate sub" for home use, but probably wouldn't be practical for a garage set up. Great videos on the SVS line! Blessings!
Isn’t that a $20K dual sub? Lol.
@@JsGarage Indeed it is!
My piano black mirages BPSS210 still look like new after 23 years but the electronics in them are starting to fail which is why I replaced them with SB16 ultras These go even deeper and spectacularly much louder and when played at the same volume, distortion is comparable despite not having servo feedback like the mirages I was doubting between SVS, B&W and jlaudio but SVS have double the bang for the buck without sacrificing accuracy, quality or service
the only subs I got are dual 18inch pa subwoofer tbh no cap, I thinking about getting a 32 inch subwoofer
REL 1510 would sound good in there too and aesthetically would fit right in. 😎
Will the svs sb16 Ultra perform the same as the pb 4000 because I’m try to buy one of them but I’m thinking of the space to fit them?
It is quite a bit "tighter" sounding that the PB4000.
I don't wanna keep asking questions but did you notice a big difference in tightness going from sealed to ported on either model? Thanks
No...not a lot. SVS does a good job of designing the enclosure to make sure it's not boomy. I would say the ported subs just "fill" the room more.
All these are more or less overkill for me, not doing a dedicated giant home theater (well, I would if I could afford to build a new house but yea no). But they're certainly impressive. Lots of noise right now (7 months later) about the new Klipsch lineup. Not remotely the same feature set, and no actual veneer, but it does look like they came to kick some butt and take names on performance.
Did you ever check out the Monoprice Monolith series? I heard they are pretty bang for your buck.
The Monolith line is hitting nothing but home runs!!! (Including the HTP-1 processor)
Ive always wondered, ive watch thousands of home theater videos and never understood how ppl actually use these gigantic subs in small spaces like, apartments, condos or small spaces. Ive literally seen some home theaters with small spaces like a 10×12 room with four 16inch subwoofers. Especially in an apartment and not an actual dedicated home theater in an actual house.
I still wonder what their use case scenario is.
Im in a townhouse and only use two 8 inch definitive tech passive radiator subs and they do just fine. I just cant imagine using 16inch subs like i see most ppl doing. Ive even seen ppl using 18 inch subs in small theater spaces.
Look into Perlisten Audio
Very good and real review! Big like!
Much better build . Emotiva is using HDF not the lesser though still appropiate MDF .
That makes it more strong and sturdy . Emotiva and SVS make some killer subs . Def Tech also has some good subs . I have 2 Sub Ones from early 2000's and they can run with the best up to date subs made . They aren't neighbor friendly though , you can hear them from half a block away . They're all good subs though .
Why inside the front stage? I think, more times than not, you want to corner load.
The video passingly suggests "about a 20% increase in size" when going from a 13.5" to 16" driver. While that is ballpark correct for the increase in diameter (actual 18.5%), it grossly understates the effect of the driver's ability to move air. Given constant excursion, air movement is determined by surface area, not diameter. That 2.5" diameter jump from 13.5" to 16" actually creates a whopping 40% more surface area. Not surprising, then, the immediately noticeable increase in performance.
I wish more companies would make good plate amps. The biggest I could find for my ultimax was 500rms. Sad.
Do you think the svs sb 4000 is a substantial upgrade in terms of sound quality from a pb-1000?
Oh yeah...that's a massive upgrade for sure.
The great thing about SVS is I can start out with dual sb3000s which could probably easily fit my needs and then later decide to trade in and upgrade to sb-4000s!
Wish we had that in aus
@@happydogg312 yeah I would always do 2 subs. Upgrade path for me would now be 2 sb 3000s then go to 2 pb-3000s. But we will see.
@@happydogg312 You should've hit up customer service, because I had a pair of SB 2000'S for 2 1/2 years, and SVS still allowed me to upgrade them to SB 3000'S. I ended up with 4 SB 3000'S during the upgrade. Now it's 8 months later and I'm upgrading the four SB 3000'S to two SB 16 Ultras. I purchased a third SB 16 Ultra and I will see how I like them, or not.
@@taseti4803quite the bass head lmao
Great video man! Keep up the good work. Could you compare the pb-3000 vs the sb-16 im curious about that. About the same size but not the same power one has good output since its ported and the sealed hits harder i guess what are your thoughts?
The SB-16 with it's bigger driver and much more powerful amp makes is much tighter and ultimately has more output.
@@ObsessedGarage ok thank you
Have you thought about selling a custom wrap. Like Matt black or carbon fiber to take care of the piano finish.
I wouldn't do something like that. Just keep the thing clean.
Dude, gotta be wrecking those feet dragging them like that. lol (replaceable, but worried about screw holes in the cabinet getting damaged)
I disagree with your comments about the finish. The piano black on the SB16 is beautiful. No difference than taking care of a fine piano, I wipe it off with a soft clean cloth once every two weeks or so. If you have small kids or animals it may not be for you. Otherwise, it’s like a piece of fine furniture and it kicks ass as a sub,
I guarantee you that if I bought a pocket detailing light and shined it on yours, it is scratch city.
However, if I was just going to place it in a garage I would opt for the regular wood grain model. Most people do not move their sub once it’s in place in the house. If I was going to move it I would place a soft blanket over it to prevent scratching.
I'm sorry but I can't take my eyes off that VICE! Badass!
How would is sound from a dj mixer if I don’t use a amp ?
I don't watch movies much only 2 channel music. I have 2 klipsch r112sw atm. Plenty of really low end bass for me for movies but with music mostly metal that lack tremendously that chest kick I turn the gain way up they get a little very little of that hard chest thump. Wich one of the sealed svs has more of that tight thumping bass output 3000 or 4000 again only care about the feel it in your chest hit like sitting in a car . the klipsch really lack this even with 2
try JTR Captivator RS1 for that spot ..
Why pick the sb4000 over sb16?
I think think the main reason would be due to price and size. Otherwise, I'd probably pick the SB16.
Witch would be best suited for a dedicated 2channel music only system? Dual SB4K or dual SB16?
Preferably for a wide range of music including bass heavy tracks
Hmmm... I don't think you'd really need dual. The SB16 is the superior sounding woofer.
What’s the song?
No?
Do I need a stereo subwoofer in 3 way active crossover system?
Tbh at those prices just make one yourself you probably get even better results. For less money spend .. those sizes aren't cheap by any means
I have 2 svs subs with my home theater. An sb4000 and sb3000. They pump.
I'm considering selling my SB-3000 to upgrade to the SB-4000, but I'm unsure about the difference in performance. Ported subwoofers seem appealing, but their size is a concern. I mainly use the subwoofer for listening to various music genres like rap, EDM, and pop. Could you please clarify the notable differences between the SB-3000 and SB-4000 to help me make an informed decision? Thanks.
If you had to pick one of this one for movies and listen to music which one would you pick?
SVS PB4000 vs SVS SB16 ultra ……50% music and 50% movies
I'd rather had the seal SB16Ultra.
What thees compare to your x4 dayton sealed?
How do the sealed subs compare to your dynoaudio?
Negative. Set it to -8 dB stay seated. Turn volume to nose bleed and then back off 2.
Oh...... also on the "scratches"....
They can be buffered out like a cars bodywork as can these plastic screens on amplifiers, tape decks, record player lids etc, just use very fine autobody polishing compound with ultra fine grains like farraclay or equivalent..... you can actually even use toothpaste on a duster, but never cotton or wool....... and only on the very finest of scratches...... theres a video on utube of this guy repairing a piano that has the same compound they put on these speakers, and after sanding down and polishing, you cant even see the repair, there are also "kits" you can buy to "mix and pour" if you neeed to, there for caravan canopies, but its the same stuff, and in black, but there are many shades of black 🙁.....
Can those subs be used for dj work? Or is it for theaters only?
They aren't ideal for that.
Im running two SB3000's in a rather large room downstairs. Im wondering when i do upgrade if I should go with the SB4000's or PB4000's. I feel like i need a bit more room pressurization and feel like the ported box's would do it. Am I thinking correct?
Yes, ported would be a night and day difference.
You do *not* want them inside the front stage. Corners. Especially if you have more than one.
Good review. Have an opp to buy a SB16 ultra for 1000.00
I have a single SB3000 that I run with a pair of RCF TT10 PA speakers. A few times I heard the sub bottoming out. Does this damage the sub? If I do need more power should I go with a second SB3000 or a single SB4000 or SB16?
It generally doesn't cause damage. It you do it too much or hard, you can separate the spider from the voice coil.
@@ObsessedGarage Thanks, its hard to hear when its bottoming out with the mains playing at loud volume???
$1,100 for pb3000 4 months ago??! Dang, it's in my cart and it's $1599!
Lucky you.
It's €1949 over here...
I run all piano black and there are no issues. Why would you be touching them after placement? I use a microfiber wand to dust them. I run dual SB16’s and dual SB-4000’s in a Klipsch 7.4 garage system. I also run a SVS 4.4 Music only system with dual SB-3000’s and dual SB-1000Pros in the garage also. I also run a SVS 7.3 System inside with Ultra Towers, Ultra Center, Four Ultra Surrounds and triple PC-4000’s all in piano.
I guarantee you they are scratched. If I came over and looked at them, I'd show you.
@@ObsessedGarage - They are not. All of my cars are black also. Proper care is all that is needed. Appreciate your “personal” opinion, but it is not universal.
Please can you text me the song that you play
it would be awesome to see you review some Rythmik subwoofers I know people compare Svs and Rythmik allot
Playing times
12:50 sb-4000
19:22 sb16 ultra
25:55 pb-4000
28:15 pb16 ultra
Can you text me the music please I wanna know what’s the name of the music
Same!
İçimi titretecek... biliyorum 😊
What is the EDM music used in this video ???
Amazing video buddy. I have a budget for of $1500 for a subwoofer. For a simple Theatre. Should I get one SVS SUB around that budget or go with dual subs at a lower cost in that budget.
The room is 14 by 26
Thank you very much for any advice and help
I think I'd rather have the single SVS.
@@ObsessedGarage Thank you
Get two.
@@dangr123 that’s the direction I’m going in thank you.
@@happydogg312 Thank you
Balanced has nothing to do with timing and everything to do with ground being separated from hot and cold.
I have the SB 400 in the living room and the trashcan version in my bed room, there great.
That thing is as big as my washing machine!
These SVS subs always confuse me. I will always go with more subs vs more expensive subs. And subs are by far the easiest speaker to build yourself. No crossover. In a large room you should have 3 or 4 of these and they are $2000+ each 😬 yikes
How do they compare to the Dayton 18 inch driver ?
I would assume the Dayton 18 is more for your dollar if you put in the time building the enclose
Well said. The Dayton setup was similar to the Ultra. The fit and finish of the factory made woofer enclosure is the main reason I prefer this option.
@@ObsessedGarage About the same performance? I'm asking because I'm in Australia and the pb16 ultra is 5500 lol. I was thinking about making 2 kraken subs.
Forget how XLR works????
Is it compatible with all sterios?
Yes
Hola en realidad me gusta mucho pero la verdad que las selladas suenan más que la abiertas
Under 1000 sq. ft. Room
SVS bookshelves and center speaker
Question due to room limitations
Picked up 2 sealed pro 1000 dual subs, thought on coupling directly under the tv 7' from loveseat. Or I could move things and go opposite corners. First subs I have owned for inside the house. Thanks.
If you know what you’re doing, you can use car audio equipment. You’re basically paying for it looks.
Hi
It would be great if u can put some timestamps for each time u start listening each sub .
Better enjoy it while you’re young and can lift those beasts! Lol
PPF THEM !!!
Polish and ceramic coat them.
Choice of music is little questionable for OG founder/CEO… 🤐
Kann man zwei Subwoofer parallel mit der App steuern? Oder nur jeden einzelnen?
Its literally mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for this to "sound clearer"...
What your buying is a huge air compressor...
Consider, for it to sound "clear" the cone has to respond to the electrical signals sent to it.... this coil is not a solenoid....
So this 16inch air pump creates a vacume in this "sealed box" when it extrudes (goes outwards) and intrudes when it goes into the box compressing the air....... that air compression and expansion is fighting against its linearity restricting its movement as its pumping air in one direction to another.....
Especially in these big speakers NEVER BUY A SEALED BOX.....As all it will cost you is more money in electricity to pump this air.....?????? Oh, and the coil will heat up quicker as it slowly begins to warp, then the windings will begin to rub against the frame as tollerances between windings and frame have to be ultra thin to get electrical inductance from the magnet...... just amazing how anybody could sell this ??????. and what makes it worse, is that anybody could actually buy this just thinking it through
What your buying is a wooden subarine, if you know how they dive and rise to the surface, and the box is the tank....... crazy 🤪
Hey Brother give me one ❤
M & K > SVS
Garbage. PSA, RYTHMIK AND JTR >
Svs vs Rythmik in terms of value you definitely get more for your dollar going with Rythmik but Svs isn’t garbage 😂
@@Damien-LugnutThe drivers are not garbage, but the plate amps are.
Ever opened up a SVS and witnessed the horror of it?
They don't make 'em like they used to (Bash >> Sledge).
This is stupid right ? Go build another civic & give that away Vs polishing a speaker & ceramic coating it so we can listen to music 🤣
If your talking about your comment I would agree, it's a stupid comment! No one is forcing you to watch it! OG has hundreds if not thousands of detailing videos go watch one of those! I'm not into audio at this level but I can appreciate why someone else would be!
Another Civic build? That 13-year-old school girl itch has been scratched.
@@timkinley1779 a school girl scratch ? Because your a creeper ? Or just another cool build people actually wanna see a Honda built properly vs polishing a speaker..
@@timkinley1779 Uncle mattes hi fi emporium
@@skywalker-grows *You're*. It's just a joke, sweet girl. Put your feelings back in your purse.
The acoustics in a garage are going to be garbage. Just buy 1 or 2 cheaper subwoofers and be done with it. You're just throwing money away installing something this expensive in your garage.
That’s not correct.
Would you recommend 2 SB-3000's or 1 SB-4000? I will be using it for both music listening and home theater, so 50/50 on both. I listen to a lot of electronic, house, rap and hip hop music with deep low extended bass and plan on putting the sub in my bedroom with carpet flooring. Room is around 20x15ft with about 10-12 ft ceilings on the 2nd floor. It's a hard choice.
I rather have the 2 subsz
You need a pb16 ultra not a sealed small sub even two