It's amazing how a franchise can not only lose 1 franchise center that led them to the Finals, but end up losing 2 franchise centers that led them to the Finals in the span of 20 years
@@nritsch Well, by the time Howard joined the Lakers (2012) he was damaged goods. He relied entirely on his athleticism, and after the back injury he was never the same. Had he stayed with the Magic, Orlando would've had a lesser version of Howard, on a max contract, at a time where the league was transitioning into making traditional centers obsolete. Being a Magic fan has been garbage all these years, but having Howard would've made very little difference.
All they now need is a Beef History between Shaq and Penny, they'll have 3 of those videos involving Shaq, Van Gundy, and Howard. Beef History on Van Gundy and Howard would make it 4.
Thank you employees and owners of secret base. Just one man here but these videos are some of the reason I wake up in the morning. Got me through it all and I’m still here. So thank you
Man Shaq leading his expansion team to a .500 record is nuts, not enough people talk about that, how great he was in Orlando. I know the 3 peat finals series were all time but this guy hit the ground running
@@Janon743 he’s the most under appreciated player in the GOAT conversation! High school and college records are unbelievable, 5/6 rings (not sure) and all those points!
I often think about what the league would have looked like if Penny was healthy and could maintain his level of play, I do the same for the TMac Yao rockets, Brandon Roy, etc. Damn shame they never got a fair shake from life
9:53: The fact that there was video footage of Scott's rant to those campers and Scott probably thought to himself years later, "Thank god social media wasn't a thing back then," If that happened in today's time, boy oh boy. Nevertheless, another great video from you guys
Never forget those 4 missed Nick Anderson free throws. If the Magic win that game, the series becomes infinitely more competitive, and I’d favor the Shaq-Penny youth tandem down the stretch to win it all. It’s amazing how NBA history rides on small moments like this.
@@M_11_m41n your missing the point Orlando had game 1 won. Up by 3. They may have still lost but four missed foul shots with your team up by 3 was just a melt down
@@melvynsngltn27 Even if the Rockets had lost Game 1, we're talking about a Houston team that was very resilient and they would have still found a way to win four out of the next five games.
The Shaq and Penny Era in Orlando produced the following results: 93-94 (swept 0-3 in 1st rd by Pacers) 94-95 (swept 0-4 in the NBA Finals by Rockets) 95-96 (swept 0-4 ECF by the Bulls) With that being said, this episode has the possibility to be a classic!
Yeah,that ECF sweep but tha Bulls was surprising for me,thought Orlando would win at LEAST one game !!! LOL.Before the injuries Penny was Kobe,it took Kobe 2 yrs to Blossum,Penny came in the nba destroying people.
@@powerbad696 Crazy stat: in the regular season, Orlando was 12-0 against Houston from 1995-2001. Their only losses to them during that stretch was in the '95 Finals.
@@powerbad696 Kobe was also 18. Penny went to Memphis for College. Kobe played college basketball for the Lakers. Big difference. People even SHAQ forget to mention Kobe was 18 and not Kemp or LeBron James big. He was more like Kevin Garnett and needed body development. Kevin took 1 season to really develop that but he was 19 as a rookie. Kobe was truly 18 and a guard. He needed two years and by 99 he was near Penny good except he played more off ball 🏀 and was with SHAQ in his true prime. Kobe had less responsibility in 99 with SHAQ than Penny had in 94 and 95 with SHAQ. By 2000 and 2001 it's hard to argue that Penny was better than Kobe by that time. Kobe in 2000 and 2001 is Penny in 94 95 and 96. By 97 Penny hit a wall 🧱 and his assists took a hit with his fg% immediately without SHAQ in 97. Kobe by 2002 was averaging near the same points as SHAQ. Penny never got that close to 28 ppg.
The 4 missed free throws by Nick in Game 1 of the 95 NBA Finals wasn't his only miscue. On the following play, he didn't take the delay of game during the out of bounds. This led to Kenny Smith getting a better look at a 3-pt shot, which he buried sending the game into OT. In the closing moments, he was unable to keep Drexler from going right, which was Drexler's dominant-hand. The drive to the basket by Drexler prompted Shaq to come over with help defense. This left Olajuwon alone under the basket for a game winning tip-in and a 120-118 Rockets victory.
Having a front seat to the dynasty of Da Bulls, and then a front seat to the Magic from 97 to the present, this was a hell of a lot of nostalgia. Excellent as always.
I think the 1979 Sonics would make a great episode for this series. They were the final champion before the era of Magic and Bird began, so you could explore how they attempted to keep up with the radically altered NBA landscape of the early 80s. On top of that there’s also the Gus Williams holdout and the incredibly stupid Dennis Johnson trade.
Secret Base… Collapse is by far the BEST docu-series on EARTH. And you all did my favorite team of all time, the Shaq and Penny Magic and you EXCEEDED expectations! Great job!
I remember in 2000 hearing about the Magic talking to Tim Duncan and playing NBA Live 2000 and putting Duncan, Hill and McGrady all on the Magic and playing the game to see how it would look to have all three on the team....such a what if, if Duncan decided to sign with the Magic along with T-Mac and G-Hill, I think they could have finally won a NBA championship.
And if Grant Hill could’ve stayed healthy too! The entire Magic era in this collapse was filled with a boatload of “What if’s?” What if Penny stayed healthy? What if Hill stayed healthy? What if they allowed Duncan to have family on team flights? What if they never traded Ben Wallace to get Hill? What if they never traded Mike Miller for Drew Gooden? What if they took Stoudamire in the 2002 draft instead of trading the pick? And of course…a lot of “What if’s?” in that 2001 draft John Gabriel, tremendous job he did constructing a competitive 1999-00 team. But this man was just terrible at drafting during his time there
Doc Rivers taking that no-name squad to 41-41 is insane. For him to do that so early in his NBA coaching career is the icing on the cake. I never would have imagined a COACH could carry a team that much. (Bonus factoid: Since 2007-08, Doc Rivers has coached three teams and has missed the playoffs ONE time.)
Bo Outlaw on that 41-41 2000 team led the league in DBPM and finished 20th in the league in VORP. Defensive stats can be noisy and weird, but the guy was an all-defense level guy for sure; shame he never got any accolades.
Still didn't deserve COTY over Phil Jackson in my book, especially since they missed the playoffs. How much the media's dislike of Jackson spurred them to to vote for Doc we'll never know but I believe is a big reason why he won it.
@@CrazyxEnigma I mean, just to compare, Phil Jackson had a prime Shaq, a rising Kobe and a cast of star-quality role players. Rivers had...basically nobody. I don't think bias is the reason Rivers was seen as the more impressive coach in that season.
@@melvynsngltn27 Guys like Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Robert Horry added some quality depth to the lakers and acted as star compliments to Kobe and Shaq. Heck that team also had Glen Rice as a star third option behind the dynamic duo. Point is Phil's roster was stacked to all hell and back.
That Game 1 of the 95 Finals has to be the greatest Game 1 of any sport in a seven game series. I was just a kid but I still remember watching Nick Anderson with those missed free throws, I thought he was going to cry. I felt so sorry for him.
I also was a kid in Houston praying for him to missed those shots. Then Clyde drive through the lane and misses and Hakeem puts it back in. Then Kenny with the 3 ball...The Rockets were the first team to use the 3 point line as a weapon. Anyway one of the most iconic game in the Finals.
this was my childhood, the story of a Magic fan growing up in the 90s. man I was so excited when we got grant hill. it was super disappointing to watch the injury thing happen again like it did to Penny
That Dennis Scott incident was something I never forgot, it was so out there. I remember it being an actual mental breakdown and the Orlando management expressing genuine concern for D3's mental well-being. I never heard this was incorrect and D3 took some time to get better.
@@joshlewis575 This video didnt show the Expedition he backed up and opened with huge speakers bumpin the beats he rapped to -- I wonder if it was freestyle or he had written down some of it beforehand. Honestly, though, I felt bad for the kids . They had such confused looks on their faces after probably being really excited to see D3 at the camp. Who knows though, they could have been persuaded and enlisted to help D3 get paid. D3 is a good dude and I am always glad to see him on NBA TV. I pick up his skybox rookie card every time I come across one.
Dam this is just sad. The magic of the 90s and early 2000s gotta be the most interesting “what ifs” ever. If Shaq never left, if Penny was healthy, if Duncan ended up in Orlando, if Grant Hill was healthy. Great video
Great vid. Also I believe it's finally appropriate to create Rewinders about the NBA Bubble. Moments like Luka's game winner vs the Clippers, Jimmy Butler's finals performance and many more.
The Lil' Penny's Nike commercials were legendary in the 1990's, famously voiced by Chris Rock. The 1995/1996 Chicago Bulls led by "His Airness" Michael Jordan demolished what any chance the Orlando Magic had of being lengthy contenders in the Eastern Conference.
Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of Lord Stanley for 28 years Untitled: Marcel Dionne Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul Untitled: Ted Williams Untitled: Paul kariya Rewinder: game 7 of the 1994 Stanley cup finals Collapse: how the Anaheim ducks went from champions to annual chokers Untitled: Don Nelson as a coach Beef history: Mike ditka vs buddy ryan Beef history: New York giants vs Philadelphia eagles Untitled: pavel Bure Rewinder: Kirby puckett’s walk off in the World Series Collapse: how the New York islanders went from legendary dynasty, to the league’s basement Collapse: how the Washington redskins died at the hands of Dan Snyder Untitled: Bruce Matthews Collapse: how the Buffalo bills failure to win one of 4 straight Super Bowls led to 2 decades of failure Collapse: how Pittsburgh Steelers steel curtain was melted down into spare parts
The Untitled episode of Ted Williams would start the same way the Barry Bonds one did. Ted could have batted 1.000 his whole career and never won a game, let alone a World Series if the pitching sucks and the rest of the bats are cold. Untitled episodes about baseballers don't really work because baseball puts a hard ceiling on individual achievements
Collapse: how Liverpool FC went from 80's dynasty to 3 decades of league drought Collapse: how Manchester United fell from Ferguson's dynasty to mediocrity Untitled: Steven Gerrard and Premier League Untitled: Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Champions League Rewind: "corner taken quickly,..." Prism: Jose Mourinho's coaching career
Also in the 2010s, they got Vucevic in the trade. Not as talented as those two before him but it seems the Magic's rebuild is centered around centers. (Lol no pun)
Love this video! Would love to collapse videos on the 90s Sixers, post big three Celtics, Cavs post 85 Chicago Bears, post Walsh/Seifert 49ers, post Elway Broncos to name a few but LOVED this Episode, Fellas!
The Fallen Franchise of the Orlando Magic.... 2 Eastern Conference Titles - 1995 to 2009 Became the NBA's forgotten squad - Endless Rebuilding - No chance of an NBA Championship but this team deserves at least one title - Unbelievably Sad & Heartbreaking.
This episode was especially close to me. I was a youngster just started watching the NBA when the started to get good with Shaq. I lived through each and every step of that collapse that you mentioned.
Secret Base.. GOATS 💯 LEGENDS 💯 ICONS 💯 those are the words I can think of to accurately describe how dope you guys are for putting out content like this.. much appreciated 🙏🏾
This team was so damn exciting and they got the draft right with Shaq and Penny. But Game 1 against Houston, it felt like the end started right there and Penny's injuries triggered an avalanche from melted snow created by Shaq being low-balled in free agency.
Not only that both shaq and 3d will readily admit they came into the series with the wrong attitude partying all night before game one while rockets were resting up and watching game tapes. They lost that series on experience that's why vets matter on a team as well as playoff experience theu could have won thay series. Also if you're curious the place I got them admitting having the wrong attitude was on an episode of open court.
I can't say that I remember anything from the mid-90's Magic, but I do remember how much fun it was to watch that 2009 team, and I remember there being a crazy atmosphere in their home arena during that playoff run. It's a shame they haven't been able to maintain success, because those fans DO show up in large quantities when the team is good.
Damn, the Magic must be really bad when they get not one, but TWO Collapse videos. I'm still hoping the next Collapse video is about how the Redskins fell from grace because of Dan Snyder's incompetence. The guy is basically the James Dolan of the NFL.
There are now multiple Magic collapses and multiple Magic need histories. Please make a playlist for each team like this! You might also want to include times a team is on the wrong end of a Rewinder.
As a Magic fan, this stung. The fact that we could have easily had a starting lineup that featured Ben Wallace, Duncan, Hill and McGrady keeps me up at night. We would have been in the finals for 7 years straight
Good things are coming to the people at Secret Base. You guys are all gonna be millionaires making videos for millions of people very soon. Keep it up.
The 30 for 30 for this story AND the Grantland Oral History are both really good at covering this story. Nice to see Secret Base cover it, too. Tragic story.
If only The Front office gave Shaq that contract, What if Nick Anderson makes those free throws, what if Penny never got injured. Penny is My favorite Point guard of all time sad to see how short lived these Magic teams were
I always know that on the weekends I get to watch the best sports channel tell great stories masterfully, absolutely phenomenal, have u guys ever thought of doing one on the 90s maple leafs? Back to back game 7 conference finals with some absolute legends on their teams, including the carry fisher incident? Hell of a story
The "What if" Orlando Magic dynasty that never happend is one of the most interesting theories in NBA history IMO. The Magic could have made that happend and it was not at all to far off the mark. BUT as we all know already the loss of Shaquille O'neal, injuries to Penny Hardaway and Anderson's dropp and more just shot the franchise in the foot(s). The Magic was SO CLOSE to take over the crown after the Chicago Bulls dynasty had ended due to aging, but if a team can't hold up togheter, stay focus & dedicated like MJ's Bulls did in the late 80's to develop and evolve, then you regardless of potential tallent will never reach that top. The Magic really looked like the next Bulls dynasty for a couple of years. IMO, if I could have decided in any way, I would have traded the Lakers dynasty for a Magic dynasty!
Its sad what happened to the Magic after Shaq left and to the franchise as a whole. Would love to see a collapse video of the 1996 Sonics and the 2008 Celtics.
God damn why does channel always go for my throat? The shoe throw from the gators, “the catch” with the cubs, and don’t forget their video about the Dwight Howard Magic
What a good point about needing luck! This team made me fall in love with basketball even more than those Bulls teams! Great job on this video and everything else you all do 🏀
This is my favorite channel for sports related content hands down. Thank you so much for this video. Tmac is my favorite player ever so watching him suffer so many losses those years despite playing like the best player in the world at that time. Great video
Damn secret place y'all really Savage I just realized and I probably should have realized it because I've been a resident in Orlando for almost a decade, but you guys have two episodes dedicated on the Orlando magic collapsing alone. As lucky as the franchise can be it's also one of the most unlucky. History definitely repeated itself
So well done....The 30 for 30 on the 90s Orlando Magic discusses a lot of this, but seeing it take shape here is also awesome...So wild that the Magic initially screwed up royally, low balling Shaq, which was just so foolish...had they had any brains, they would've just offered him a max salary from the jump, and maybe this ends differently. The Penny and Grant Hill injuries are just so sad. People really forget how great BOTH were, especially Penny. It really is a bummer when health deters you, but, that's part of the game.
I never realised how many great players were at Orlando. I forgot Hill was there or a young Ben Wallace. Such talent walked in and out! I really feel for T Mac though. I feel like he was at his best in the league with Kobe for a few years and was doing most of it. Shame Hill was out.
The return of Collapse! I missed it so much I actually found a channel who basically ripped off your format 😂 fun to see some other stories be told but obviously their videos don’t hold a candle to the OG
Well this one covers the 1990s Orlando Magic of Shaq and Penny with the other Collapse video about the Magic centered around Dwight Howard. This Magic could've been the future of the league until Shaq left and Penny's career got cutshort by injuries but they were still a great but also one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history.
Man so crazy that horry is seen like that from other fan bases. I’m a laker fan so I’ve never seen him in anything but a positive light. I will never forget watching that shot at the buzzard.
It would have been interesting to see whether the Magic would have won a championship had they managed to resign Shaq for another 3-4 years. They were fools for short changing Shaq on their offer. It was obvious that he was a MVP level, future HOF player.
I always thought that the Magic had the all-time worst medical staff in the NBA. The amount of players who got injured while plating for them is mind-blowing (Penny, Shaq, Seikaly, Hill, McGrady). On the other hand, the Phoenix Suns always managed to extend players' careers with top-notch physicians.
Still blows my mind the Magic fumbled Tim Duncan because of Doc not letting wives on the team plane. Who knows if Hill stays healthy in that timeline, but a prime Duncan and T-Mac combo would've been incredible.
If you want to do an interesting collapses and I'm from Houston, the 2019 Houston Texans and 2018 Houston Rockets would be great choice. I would also like and dread the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks collapse, because I am a fan of that team and they won the World Series when I was born.
Sports teams didn't know about how to treat injuries back then. Basically, their logic was to try to get guys to fight through potentially serious injuries, and the Magic did this with Hardaway. Not only that, but being stupid enough not to go all in with Shaq, sealed their fate.
To be fair... We know that Shaq would have stayed in Orlando if was given the right money now they was a pole numbers showing that 85% Orlando fans said that Shaquille O'Neal wasn't worth over a hundred million... Lingered and probably worsened through an Olympic summer but we must remember at that particular time in the NBA no player was getting even close to 100 million dollars... Now the Orlando magic like this gentleman said did offer him shorter terms for 4 years 80 million which means $20 per year and Shaquille even said that he thought about signing it but when he was thinking it over he was at home watching SportsCenter and then all of a sudden Miami heat who debut the same time the Orlando magic did. They gave an extension to Alonzo morning over 100 million and he became the first player to make that kind of money and when Shaquille O'Neal saw this he actually went back and told Orlando magic that he wants to get paid $150 million.... No let's say that Orlando magic did offer him the max deal which was at the time 120 million... Florida doesn't have a sales tax so he would have made so much money because here in California we have to pay sales tax.. and if Shaq got that money in Orlando magic do you honestly think that Orlando magic had enough money for Penny hardaway who was one of the best NBA players at that time?? Penny hardaway was such a talented basketball player and very unique skills that he would want a big contract like Shakti but Orlando magic couldn't afford him if Shaq would have stayed..... That Shaquille O'Neal is one of the greatest centers of all time and he left his mark but do you think that Shaquille O'Neall without Kobe Bryant or Dwayne Wayne or Penny hardaway can bring a championship?? I honestly don't think he can put the team on his soldiers and win a championship... I think the closest player in any behave history that carried a team was Allen Iverson who carried the Philadelphia 76ers all the way to the NBA finals...
My interest in the NBA really took off in the 93-94 season, with Penny and Webber rookie cards being sought out commodities. So I'm biased. But still, this is one of the most interesting stories of "so close" and "what if" after all these years. As much as I adore Hakeem as my all time fav 5/C, I would've loved seeing him win just one, and this team take one. I think that could've given this young team the confidence, structure and momentum and further vetern pieces wanting a ring, to seriously have threatened and taken at least one of MJ's later 3 trophies. Oh well, at least we got gotto enjoy Kobe(RIP)/Shaq time.
How a franchise had Shaq, Penny, T-Mac, Hill, Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, and Dwight Howard over a 15 year span, resulting in just 2 final appearances is disappointing
We need a 08 celtics vid, I think it would be an interesting watch. The ray decision and how the team reacted, how the celtics also tried to trade him. Also the trade with the nets in the end. I think it could be good!
The Magic lowballing a young 25 year old Shaq is one of the dumbest moves in NBA History. Only Michael Jordan was more dominant as a player at that time in 1996. Him staying with the Magic is one the greatest what if's in modern history. i think there's a real chance they give the Bulls a run for their money in 97 and for sure beat them in the 98 Last Dance season. Orlando probably could have won 4-6 titles before it was said and done.
Another very interesting and excellent video by Secret Base! You know, I've always wondered what would've happened if Shaquille O'Neal stayed with the Magic instead of signing with the Lakers. If Shaq stayed in Orlando, AND if his supporting cast stayed healthy -- including Penny Hardaway -- the Magic could've snagged plenty of NBA championships. No doubt about it.
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It's amazing how a franchise can not only lose 1 franchise center that led them to the Finals, but end up losing 2 franchise centers that led them to the Finals in the span of 20 years
To the same team
@@nritsch Well, by the time Howard joined the Lakers (2012) he was damaged goods. He relied entirely on his athleticism, and after the back injury he was never the same. Had he stayed with the Magic, Orlando would've had a lesser version of Howard, on a max contract, at a time where the league was transitioning into making traditional centers obsolete. Being a Magic fan has been garbage all these years, but having Howard would've made very little difference.
Magic fan here. Hope we don't lose Paola 7 years later.
@@tenzinalexander Banchero is the real deal but it's Detroits time!
@@maplebear6527 Detroit's time to do what?
The fact that this Collapse ends with a man... who *begins another Collapse* REALLY says something about Orlando, doesn't it 😭
Dwight himself wasn’t the total cause but yeah it’s funny it’s leading into another collapse lol
@@Janon743 yeah hes more of, like, waving the flag of a decline to begin
First franchise with two collapse videos. Well done Magic!
Bro right?! 😂😂😂
See y’all in 20 years for the 3rd collapse video !!
All they now need is a Beef History between Shaq and Penny, they'll have 3 of those videos involving Shaq, Van Gundy, and Howard. Beef History on Van Gundy and Howard would make it 4.
Don't be shock if Banchero goes to the Lakers and win a championship
@@-billy6947 not the Lakers, more like the Celtics
Thank you employees and owners of secret base. Just one man here but these videos are some of the reason I wake up in the morning. Got me through it all and I’m still here. So thank you
Secret base is the reason u get up in the morning, u need a hobby
@@jake_mo way to kick a man while he’s down
@@jake_mo ratio
Agreed!
@@jake_mo Go to hell.
Man Shaq leading his expansion team to a .500 record is nuts, not enough people talk about that, how great he was in Orlando. I know the 3 peat finals series were all time but this guy hit the ground running
Didn’t KAJ win it all with the Bucks?
@@GIBBO4182 that’s why KAJ is top 5 ever, but it’s still impressive what rookie Shaq did
@@Janon743 he’s the most under appreciated player in the GOAT conversation! High school and college records are unbelievable, 5/6 rings (not sure) and all those points!
@@GIBBO4182 6 rings, 6 MVPs, 15 time all NBA and 11 time all defense
@@brianbadonde9251 well…DAMN!
Penny’s injuries are the biggest “what if” of the late 90s
I often think about what the league would have looked like if Penny was healthy and could maintain his level of play, I do the same for the TMac Yao rockets, Brandon Roy, etc. Damn shame they never got a fair shake from life
Grant Hill on line one
Ross Perot??
@@kevinzhu6417 add Greg oden to that list
@@kevinzhu6417 tmac would still be getting owned by his daddy deron williams
9:53: The fact that there was video footage of Scott's rant to those campers and Scott probably thought to himself years later, "Thank god social media wasn't a thing back then," If that happened in today's time, boy oh boy.
Nevertheless, another great video from you guys
Also, it's wild that Orlando and Miami never met in the playoffs numerous times.
Only once (1997)
I mean, both of them have only been good at the same time like for 3 years in the 90s, and 4 years in the 2000s-2010s
The Battle of Florida was just never meant to be
Clippers and Lakers have never met.
very competitive series..It went to 5 games..It was best of 5 in the 1st Rd back then⁉📘🔥🏟💺🏀
@@fiesta061000 Penny single-handedly forced that series to 5-games, after it was looking to be a laugher after Miami went up 2-0.
Never forget those 4 missed Nick Anderson free throws. If the Magic win that game, the series becomes infinitely more competitive, and I’d favor the Shaq-Penny youth tandem down the stretch to win it all.
It’s amazing how NBA history rides on small moments like this.
I don't think so. Once the Rockets got past Phoenix, I don't think anyone was going to stop Houston from repeating.
Magic was clearly a stronger team than rockets... unfortunately for them, it's hakeem...and the rockets role players also showed up big times
@@M_11_m41n your missing the point Orlando had game 1 won. Up by 3. They may have still lost but four missed foul shots with your team up by 3 was just a melt down
@@melvynsngltn27 Even if the Rockets had lost Game 1, we're talking about a Houston team that was very resilient and they would have still found a way to win four out of the next five games.
Yeah,and Shaq was PISSED at Anderson,not for missing the free-throws,but,laughing after missing the free-throws.Anderson CHOKED,big time.
........as a Orlando Magic fan for years, this video was Heartbreaking to watch. 😪💔
My sympathies, friend.
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Be strong for the next Generation 🙏
The Shaq and Penny Era in Orlando produced the following results:
93-94 (swept 0-3 in 1st rd by Pacers)
94-95 (swept 0-4 in the NBA Finals by Rockets)
95-96 (swept 0-4 ECF by the Bulls)
With that being said, this episode has the possibility to be a classic!
Yeah,that ECF sweep but tha Bulls was surprising for me,thought Orlando would win at LEAST one game !!! LOL.Before the injuries Penny was Kobe,it took Kobe 2 yrs to Blossum,Penny came in the nba destroying people.
@@powerbad696 Crazy stat: in the regular season, Orlando was 12-0 against Houston from 1995-2001. Their only losses to them during that stretch was in the '95 Finals.
@@prlysis WOW.Good info/stats,didn't know this.
@@powerbad696 penny was not Kobe lmao
@@powerbad696 Kobe was also 18. Penny went to Memphis for College. Kobe played college basketball for the Lakers. Big difference. People even SHAQ forget to mention Kobe was 18 and not Kemp or LeBron James big. He was more like Kevin Garnett and needed body development. Kevin took 1 season to really develop that but he was 19 as a rookie. Kobe was truly 18 and a guard. He needed two years and by 99 he was near Penny good except he played more off ball 🏀 and was with SHAQ in his true prime. Kobe had less responsibility in 99 with SHAQ than Penny had in 94 and 95 with SHAQ. By 2000 and 2001 it's hard to argue that Penny was better than Kobe by that time. Kobe in 2000 and 2001 is Penny in 94 95 and 96. By 97 Penny hit a wall 🧱 and his assists took a hit with his fg% immediately without SHAQ in 97. Kobe by 2002 was averaging near the same points as SHAQ. Penny never got that close to 28 ppg.
The 4 missed free throws by Nick in Game 1 of the 95 NBA Finals wasn't his only miscue. On the following play, he didn't take the delay of game during the out of bounds. This led to Kenny Smith getting a better look at a 3-pt shot, which he buried sending the game into OT. In the closing moments, he was unable to keep Drexler from going right, which was Drexler's dominant-hand. The drive to the basket by Drexler prompted Shaq to come over with help defense. This left Olajuwon alone under the basket for a game winning tip-in and a 120-118 Rockets victory.
Having a front seat to the dynasty of Da Bulls, and then a front seat to the Magic from 97 to the present, this was a hell of a lot of nostalgia. Excellent as always.
I think the 1979 Sonics would make a great episode for this series. They were the final champion before the era of Magic and Bird began, so you could explore how they attempted to keep up with the radically altered NBA landscape of the early 80s. On top of that there’s also the Gus Williams holdout and the incredibly stupid Dennis Johnson trade.
To be fair, Johnson was becoming a headache back then
Try the 96 sonics collapse to 2008 when they moved to okc
Secret Base… Collapse is by far the BEST docu-series on EARTH. And you all did my favorite team of all time, the Shaq and Penny Magic and you EXCEEDED expectations! Great job!
It's always a good day for me when Seth talks about 90s NBA. 🙂
Yes-sir 💯💪🏾
Absolutely loved that Shaq/Penny squad. So glad they are on 2k.
Great video as always
yea they hard on 2k
I remember in 2000 hearing about the Magic talking to Tim Duncan
and playing NBA Live 2000 and putting Duncan, Hill and McGrady all on the Magic and playing the game to see how it would look to have all three on the team....such a what if, if Duncan decided to sign with the Magic along with T-Mac and G-Hill,
I think they could have finally won a NBA championship.
And if Grant Hill could’ve stayed healthy too!
The entire Magic era in this collapse was filled with a boatload of “What if’s?”
What if Penny stayed healthy?
What if Hill stayed healthy?
What if they allowed Duncan to have family on team flights?
What if they never traded Ben Wallace to get Hill?
What if they never traded Mike Miller for Drew Gooden?
What if they took Stoudamire in the 2002 draft instead of trading the pick?
And of course…a lot of “What if’s?” in that 2001 draft
John Gabriel, tremendous job he did constructing a competitive 1999-00 team.
But this man was just terrible at drafting during his time there
duncan hill mcgrady is crazy
@@JWex-jy7sk Grant Hill Was Looking To Add An Three Point Shot To His Impressive Arsenal Of Moves Imagine Grant Hill With A Three Point Shot Buckets!
Doc Rivers taking that no-name squad to 41-41 is insane.
For him to do that so early in his NBA coaching career is the icing on the cake. I never would have imagined a COACH could carry a team that much.
(Bonus factoid: Since 2007-08, Doc Rivers has coached three teams and has missed the playoffs ONE time.)
Bo Outlaw on that 41-41 2000 team led the league in DBPM and finished 20th in the league in VORP. Defensive stats can be noisy and weird, but the guy was an all-defense level guy for sure; shame he never got any accolades.
Still didn't deserve COTY over Phil Jackson in my book, especially since they missed the playoffs. How much the media's dislike of Jackson spurred them to to vote for Doc we'll never know but I believe is a big reason why he won it.
@@CrazyxEnigma I mean, just to compare, Phil Jackson had a prime Shaq, a rising Kobe and a cast of star-quality role players. Rivers had...basically nobody. I don't think bias is the reason Rivers was seen as the more impressive coach in that season.
@@jacobwilliams1223 star quality role players where?
@@melvynsngltn27 Guys like Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Robert Horry added some quality depth to the lakers and acted as star compliments to Kobe and Shaq.
Heck that team also had Glen Rice as a star third option behind the dynamic duo. Point is Phil's roster was stacked to all hell and back.
Collapse is one of the best series you guys have. I hope you have more of theses videos coming soon.
Thanks Seth and Secret Base team for another masterpiece
I love how this blends perfectly with the collapse episode on the Dwight Howard Magic team
Absolutely watch this one then the Dwight one. One-stop Magic history... As a magic fan i hope we can turn it around
That Game 1 of the 95 Finals has to be the greatest Game 1 of any sport in a seven game series. I was just a kid but I still remember watching Nick Anderson with those missed free throws, I thought he was going to cry. I felt so sorry for him.
I also was a kid in Houston praying for him to missed those shots. Then Clyde drive through the lane and misses and Hakeem puts it back in. Then Kenny with the 3 ball...The Rockets were the first team to use the 3 point line as a weapon. Anyway one of the most iconic game in the Finals.
this was my childhood, the story of a Magic fan growing up in the 90s. man I was so excited when we got grant hill. it was super disappointing to watch the injury thing happen again like it did to Penny
I have missed this series, thank you for bringing it back.
Period
Losing Shaq has to be one of the biggest fumbles in NBA history.
For real.
Doesn't get talked about enough.
Especially when the owner was a billionaire.
@@MentLeee yeah so dumb
Man, I got mad when my Hawks traded away Huerter to avoid like 10 millions in luxury tax, I can't imagine letting Young Shaq walk.
Yep, the Magic flubbed that one bad. How the hell do you lowball arguably the most physically dominant center at that time?
I have been asking for this specific collapse since y’all introduced the series concept, I love you guys’ content.
Sure you have🤨
That Dennis Scott incident was something I never forgot, it was so out there. I remember it being an actual mental breakdown and the Orlando management expressing genuine concern for D3's mental well-being. I never heard this was incorrect and D3 took some time to get better.
Rich young and in Florida, I'm sure the booger sugar had a little to do with that.
@@joshlewis575 This video didnt show the Expedition he backed up and opened with huge speakers bumpin the beats he rapped to -- I wonder if it was freestyle or he had written down some of it beforehand.
Honestly, though, I felt bad for the kids . They had such confused looks on their faces after probably being really excited to see D3 at the camp. Who knows though, they could have been persuaded and enlisted to help D3 get paid.
D3 is a good dude and I am always glad to see him on NBA TV. I pick up his skybox rookie card every time I come across one.
@@joshlewis575 when he's over there telling little 6-year-olds " don't call me 3D anymore" then you know he had snot dust
Michael Jordan Apparently Had Anger Issues After The 1990 Eastern Conference Finals Elimination He Used That As Fuel To Exact His Revenge In 1991
@@jonathanwashington9199Same with the Bulls' Playoff loss to the Magic in 1995 and Jordan getting revenge the following season.
Beautifully done. Wish small markets could keep their cores together more than they can in any sport.
Dam this is just sad. The magic of the 90s and early 2000s gotta be the most interesting “what ifs” ever. If Shaq never left, if Penny was healthy, if Duncan ended up in Orlando, if Grant Hill was healthy. Great video
Great vid. Also I believe it's finally appropriate to create Rewinders about the NBA Bubble. Moments like Luka's game winner vs the Clippers, Jimmy Butler's finals performance and many more.
Jamal Murray's historic run
The Lil' Penny's Nike commercials were legendary in the 1990's, famously voiced by Chris Rock. The 1995/1996 Chicago Bulls led by "His Airness" Michael Jordan demolished what any chance the Orlando Magic had of being lengthy contenders in the Eastern Conference.
Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of Lord Stanley for 28 years
Untitled: Marcel Dionne
Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: Paul kariya
Rewinder: game 7 of the 1994 Stanley cup finals
Collapse: how the Anaheim ducks went from champions to annual chokers
Untitled: Don Nelson as a coach
Beef history: Mike ditka vs buddy ryan
Beef history: New York giants vs Philadelphia eagles
Untitled: pavel Bure
Rewinder: Kirby puckett’s walk off in the World Series
Collapse: how the New York islanders went from legendary dynasty, to the league’s basement
Collapse: how the Washington redskins died at the hands of Dan Snyder
Untitled: Bruce Matthews
Collapse: how the Buffalo bills failure to win one of 4 straight Super Bowls led to 2 decades of failure
Collapse: how Pittsburgh Steelers steel curtain was melted down into spare parts
The Untitled episode of Ted Williams would start the same way the Barry Bonds one did. Ted could have batted 1.000 his whole career and never won a game, let alone a World Series if the pitching sucks and the rest of the bats are cold.
Untitled episodes about baseballers don't really work because baseball puts a hard ceiling on individual achievements
Collapse: how Liverpool FC went from 80's dynasty to 3 decades of league drought
Collapse: how Manchester United fell from Ferguson's dynasty to mediocrity
Untitled: Steven Gerrard and Premier League
Untitled: Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Champions League
Rewind: "corner taken quickly,..."
Prism: Jose Mourinho's coaching career
Steelers never really "collapsed" though. They were always pretty competitive.
YES, this series is back! Pretty gnarly for a franchise with two Finals appearances to have two Collapse videos after those championship runs.
also to have to have 2 overall number 1 pics at the center position, very very coincidental.
Also in the 2010s, they got Vucevic in the trade. Not as talented as those two before him but it seems the Magic's rebuild is centered around centers. (Lol no pun)
Love this video! Would love to collapse videos on the 90s Sixers, post big three Celtics, Cavs post 85 Chicago Bears, post Walsh/Seifert 49ers, post Elway Broncos to name a few but LOVED this Episode, Fellas!
and then Phoenix Suns extended Penny & GHill's career. two of my favorite players that was the biggest "what if" in my book.
Call me crazy, but I really feel like, had they stayed healthy, they would've altered the trajectory of the Bulls/MJ success.
The Fallen Franchise of the Orlando Magic....
2 Eastern Conference Titles - 1995 to 2009
Became the NBA's forgotten squad -
Endless Rebuilding - No chance of an NBA Championship but this team deserves at least one title - Unbelievably Sad & Heartbreaking.
Cool uniforms tho
This episode was especially close to me. I was a youngster just started watching the NBA when the started to get good with Shaq. I lived through each and every step of that collapse that you mentioned.
1990s Magic was a fun team!
The duo of Shaq and Penny was a very strong and cool duo.
Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott were great players.
And don't forget Horace Grant.He played very well for Orlando.
And don’t forget Dennis Scott
This Magic Moment is in my top 5 of the 30 for 30’s
Secret Base.. GOATS 💯 LEGENDS 💯 ICONS 💯 those are the words I can think of to accurately describe how dope you guys are for putting out content like this.. much appreciated 🙏🏾
excellent video. I loved those mid 90s magic teams. peak Penny was so fun.
This team was so damn exciting and they got the draft right with Shaq and Penny. But Game 1 against Houston, it felt like the end started right there and Penny's injuries triggered an avalanche from melted snow created by Shaq being low-balled in free agency.
Not only that both shaq and 3d will readily admit they came into the series with the wrong attitude partying all night before game one while rockets were resting up and watching game tapes. They lost that series on experience that's why vets matter on a team as well as playoff experience theu could have won thay series. Also if you're curious the place I got them admitting having the wrong attitude was on an episode of open court.
Yeah,Shaq took that-PERSONALLY.Which he should have,being a franchise player.
I can't say that I remember anything from the mid-90's Magic, but I do remember how much fun it was to watch that 2009 team, and I remember there being a crazy atmosphere in their home arena during that playoff run. It's a shame they haven't been able to maintain success, because those fans DO show up in large quantities when the team is good.
Nick Anderson's 4 missed free throws changed the momentum of the game
Seth has to narrate every secret base video. Others dont have the charisma like he does
Damn, the Magic must be really bad when they get not one, but TWO Collapse videos.
I'm still hoping the next Collapse video is about how the Redskins fell from grace because of Dan Snyder's incompetence. The guy is basically the James Dolan of the NFL.
Truly. All DMV residents hate that man.
But hey, the culture is "damn fine"
Trust me, we in Cincinnati are grateful he replaced Mike Brown as most hated NFL OWNER
There are now multiple Magic collapses and multiple Magic need histories. Please make a playlist for each team like this! You might also want to include times a team is on the wrong end of a Rewinder.
Those 90s Magic jerseys are the most 90s jerseys to ever 90s
Teal Pistons are not far behind.
@@ShantyIrishman and also better
That and the Charolette Hornets
As a Magic fan, this stung. The fact that we could have easily had a starting lineup that featured Ben Wallace, Duncan, Hill and McGrady keeps me up at night. We would have been in the finals for 7 years straight
Good things are coming to the people at Secret Base. You guys are all gonna be millionaires making videos for millions of people very soon. Keep it up.
I don't know how they only have 1.2 million subs. This is the best sports channel on RUclips.
The 30 for 30 for this story AND the Grantland Oral History are both really good at covering this story. Nice to see Secret Base cover it, too. Tragic story.
If only The Front office gave Shaq that contract, What if Nick Anderson makes those free throws, what if Penny never got injured. Penny is My favorite Point guard of all time sad to see how short lived these Magic teams were
The Bulls with Jordan lost in 1995 to the Magic but no one wants to talk about it or give the Magic any credit for the win whatsoever.
Facts, Penny average 25 pts, 4 rebounds, and 3 assist, being guarded by Pippe.n, MJ, and Kukoc.
I always know that on the weekends I get to watch the best sports channel tell great stories masterfully, absolutely phenomenal, have u guys ever thought of doing one on the 90s maple leafs? Back to back game 7 conference finals with some absolute legends on their teams, including the carry fisher incident? Hell of a story
Penny's injury and downfall broke my heart. Loved watching him as a kid
The Hardaway brothers in general. Magic and Heat had some seriously good squads throughout the 90s
Omg $55 mil over 4 years? That's so ridiculously low. No wonder Shaq left lol.
SETH IS BACK. FINALLY!
That Magic-Finals teams with Shaq and Penny turned me into a 🏀fan and in holidays I spent nights in front of the TV at my grandparents in Europe.
91 NBA Finals while on holiday in Barbados in 1992.
I'm English.
Merry Christmas
Thank you Secret Base.. really enjoyed this one ⭐️
Thank you for this, die hard Magic fan. Hoping for them to win chip before the Clippers.
The Magic and Clippers are my two fav teams (Magic #1 tho). What do I win?
@@SeanGrady90 a like
This deserves a part 2.
The "What if" Orlando Magic dynasty that never happend is one of the most interesting theories in NBA history IMO.
The Magic could have made that happend and it was not at all to far off the mark. BUT as we all know already the loss of Shaquille O'neal, injuries to Penny Hardaway and Anderson's dropp and more just shot the franchise in the foot(s). The Magic was SO CLOSE to take over the crown after the Chicago Bulls dynasty had ended due to aging, but if a team can't hold up togheter, stay focus & dedicated like MJ's Bulls did in the late 80's to develop and evolve, then you regardless of potential tallent will never reach that top.
The Magic really looked like the next Bulls dynasty for a couple of years. IMO, if I could have decided in any way, I would have traded the Lakers dynasty for a Magic dynasty!
I miss the days when we could see you guys faces when you were doing these vids. Still love them though and will continue to do so!
Its sad what happened to the Magic after Shaq left and to the franchise as a whole. Would love to see a collapse video of the 1996 Sonics and the 2008 Celtics.
I believe Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner might bring the Magic back into the playoffs
@@jamesbartee6184 I think so.
God damn why does channel always go for my throat? The shoe throw from the gators, “the catch” with the cubs, and don’t forget their video about the Dwight Howard Magic
What a good point about needing luck! This team made me fall in love with basketball even more than those Bulls teams! Great job on this video and everything else you all do 🏀
This is my favorite channel for sports related content hands down. Thank you so much for this video. Tmac is my favorite player ever so watching him suffer so many losses those years despite playing like the best player in the world at that time. Great video
Damn secret place y'all really Savage I just realized and I probably should have realized it because I've been a resident in Orlando for almost a decade, but you guys have two episodes dedicated on the Orlando magic collapsing alone. As lucky as the franchise can be it's also one of the most unlucky. History definitely repeated itself
with 2 first overall pics at the center position, crazy!
@@vittiriowashington5211 destiny is wild
So well done....The 30 for 30 on the 90s Orlando Magic discusses a lot of this, but seeing it take shape here is also awesome...So wild that the Magic initially screwed up royally, low balling Shaq, which was just so foolish...had they had any brains, they would've just offered him a max salary from the jump, and maybe this ends differently. The Penny and Grant Hill injuries are just so sad. People really forget how great BOTH were, especially Penny. It really is a bummer when health deters you, but, that's part of the game.
I never realised how many great players were at Orlando. I forgot Hill was there or a young Ben Wallace. Such talent walked in and out!
I really feel for T Mac though. I feel like he was at his best in the league with Kobe for a few years and was doing most of it. Shame Hill was out.
Love this. Done exceptionally well! Great job.
My favorite version of Shaq a big that was quick and definitely made an impact immediately
Shaq Thought He Was Slick Imitating Sonic The Hedgehog I See You Shaq
The return of Collapse! I missed it so much I actually found a channel who basically ripped off your format 😂 fun to see some other stories be told but obviously their videos don’t hold a candle to the OG
This was my favorite team growing up. Shaq left. Jordan retired. I was pissed at basketball
The magic has been my favorite team since 1990 you did a great job thank you
Well this one covers the 1990s Orlando Magic of Shaq and Penny with the other Collapse video about the Magic centered around Dwight Howard. This Magic could've been the future of the league until Shaq left and Penny's career got cutshort by injuries but they were still a great but also one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history.
Man so crazy that horry is seen like that from other fan bases. I’m a laker fan so I’ve never seen him in anything but a positive light. I will never forget watching that shot at the buzzard.
It would have been interesting to see whether the Magic would have won a championship had they managed to resign Shaq for another 3-4 years. They were fools for short changing Shaq on their offer. It was obvious that he was a MVP level, future HOF player.
I always thought that the Magic had the all-time worst medical staff in the NBA. The amount of players who got injured while plating for them is mind-blowing (Penny, Shaq, Seikaly, Hill, McGrady). On the other hand, the Phoenix Suns always managed to extend players' careers with top-notch physicians.
Still blows my mind the Magic fumbled Tim Duncan because of Doc not letting wives on the team plane. Who knows if Hill stays healthy in that timeline, but a prime Duncan and T-Mac combo would've been incredible.
If you want to do an interesting collapses and I'm from Houston, the 2019 Houston Texans and 2018 Houston Rockets would be great choice. I would also like and dread the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks collapse, because I am a fan of that team and they won the World Series when I was born.
I was a hardcore Charlotte Hornets fan but that Magic team i loved. Really because of Penny more then anything. What a shame he got injured.
The Shaq and Penny duo was so great. It sucks Penny got injured
Sports teams didn't know about how to treat injuries back then. Basically, their logic was to try to get guys to fight through potentially serious injuries, and the Magic did this with Hardaway. Not only that, but being stupid enough not to go all in with Shaq, sealed their fate.
Shawn Kemp looked absolutely miserable in that pic of him holding up the Magic jersey! 😂😂☠️
I blame Nick Anderson for the 1st run.. that's where the fall all began!
I love these collapse videos. I see a Washington nationals one coming soon to this channel. Or even a Chicago Cubs one as well
You ain't lying also you noticed this is Orlando's second time LOL.
how bad does your franchise have to be to have TWO separate collapse videos 😭😭😭
also: might need a penny prism after this 👀👀👀
To be fair... We know that Shaq would have stayed in Orlando if was given the right money now they was a pole numbers showing that 85% Orlando fans said that Shaquille O'Neal wasn't worth over a hundred million... Lingered and probably worsened through an Olympic summer but we must remember at that particular time in the NBA no player was getting even close to 100 million dollars... Now the Orlando magic like this gentleman said did offer him shorter terms for 4 years 80 million which means $20 per year and Shaquille even said that he thought about signing it but when he was thinking it over he was at home watching SportsCenter and then all of a sudden Miami heat who debut the same time the Orlando magic did. They gave an extension to Alonzo morning over 100 million and he became the first player to make that kind of money and when Shaquille O'Neal saw this he actually went back and told Orlando magic that he wants to get paid $150 million.... No let's say that Orlando magic did offer him the max deal which was at the time 120 million... Florida doesn't have a sales tax so he would have made so much money because here in California we have to pay sales tax.. and if Shaq got that money in Orlando magic do you honestly think that Orlando magic had enough money for Penny hardaway who was one of the best NBA players at that time?? Penny hardaway was such a talented basketball player and very unique skills that he would want a big contract like Shakti but Orlando magic couldn't afford him if Shaq would have stayed..... That Shaquille O'Neal is one of the greatest centers of all time and he left his mark but do you think that Shaquille O'Neall without Kobe Bryant or Dwayne Wayne or Penny hardaway can bring a championship?? I honestly don't think he can put the team on his soldiers and win a championship... I think the closest player in any behave history that carried a team was Allen Iverson who carried the Philadelphia 76ers all the way to the NBA finals...
Low balling prime Shaq when he’s set to become a free agent is one of the dumbest moves in history.
My interest in the NBA really took off in the 93-94 season, with Penny and Webber rookie cards being sought out commodities. So I'm biased. But still, this is one of the most interesting stories of "so close" and "what if" after all these years.
As much as I adore Hakeem as my all time fav 5/C, I would've loved seeing him win just one, and this team take one. I think that could've given this young team the confidence, structure and momentum and further vetern pieces wanting a ring, to seriously have threatened and taken at least one of MJ's later 3 trophies.
Oh well, at least we got gotto enjoy Kobe(RIP)/Shaq time.
And speaking of Tim Duncan and the Spurs, I think it's about time to do a Collapse episode on the 2013-14 Spurs.
These are some of your most entertaining videos. Good work as always
How a franchise had Shaq, Penny, T-Mac, Hill, Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, and Dwight Howard over a 15 year span, resulting in just 2 final appearances is disappointing
We need a 08 celtics vid, I think it would be an interesting watch.
The ray decision and how the team reacted, how the celtics also tried to trade him.
Also the trade with the nets in the end.
I think it could be good!
The Magic lowballing a young 25 year old Shaq is one of the dumbest moves in NBA History. Only Michael Jordan was more dominant as a player at that time in 1996. Him staying with the Magic is one the greatest what if's in modern history. i think there's a real chance they give the Bulls a run for their money in 97 and for sure beat them in the 98 Last Dance season. Orlando probably could have won 4-6 titles before it was said and done.
Doc rivers fumbling the signing of Duncan in 2000 to form a big 3 with TMac and Grant hill, is one of the biggest ifs in that franchise.
I’m a simple man I see a collapse video and I click right away
Another very interesting and excellent video by Secret Base! You know, I've always wondered what would've happened if Shaquille O'Neal stayed with the Magic instead of signing with the Lakers. If Shaq stayed in Orlando, AND if his supporting cast stayed healthy -- including Penny Hardaway -- the Magic could've snagged plenty of NBA championships. No doubt about it.