10-sh HP, TC, slipper clutch aka The Suzuki Clutch Assist System (SCAS) seem like the biggest upgrades over the MT07, course MT07 has the clout, the established presence and low weight. Modes etc. seems attractive to the "grow into it crowd" which is another topic. And the TFT for "blue light addicts". That Honda 750 Hornet though...
Cannot ignore the Hornet UK price £6,999 which is £500 less than the Yamaha (2023) - still no price on the Suzuki, although rumoured to be higher than both.
I don't think it will de-throne the MT-07. An older MT bought with mods is a better financial option. You also get the CP-2 sound. I think if I shopped around, I could make the MT--07 just as much if not more bike than the GSX8S. Take it with a grain of salt, though. I don't even have a bike. I'm just a broke keyboard warrior.
I recently got my first bike which is an MT-07. I love it and am thankful to you Spite and other Moto-tubers. For convincing me to "Get the bike." I have put 1,000 miles on the bike already in only the 1.5 months I have had it. Already looking at the next bike haha!
I’m happy Suzuki is finally getting in to updating their bikes. I’m also glad they are putting out a 270 crank on their P Twin. All of this is good for the consumer, because it drives competition (Kawasaki) to put out better products. I’d like to see the competition (Kawasaki) put out some similar products.
This bike needs to be priced under 9k otherwise it is in mt-09 pricing territory. I believe Honda is wise to this with it's aggressive pricing of the Hornet 750.
It’s more than the z900, gsxs750, trident - it’s the same price as the outgoing cb650r .... that’s what killed the cb650r - ITS TOO MUCH. It’s mt-09 money.....wtf
@gavin... Nothing!!!! Cause I moved and everything is gone !!!! This is right at my budget sub 10k ... also yeah is absolutely dumb to price this at 9600 usd - that price Buried the cb650r
my take on the GSX8S (this one's long so please stick with me): First, let's look at the comparable specs on the competing motorcycles mentioned in the video: Displacement (bore x stroke - in mm): CB750 Hornet - 755cc (87 x 63.5) MT-07 - 689cc (80 x 68.6) Z650 - 649cc (83 x 60.0) GSX8S - 776cc (84 x 70.0) 890 Duke - 889cc (90.7 x 68.8) HP/lb-ft TQ (at RPM) CB750 Hornet - 90.5 @9,500 / 55.3 @7250 MT-07 - 72 @ 8,750 / 49 @ 6,500 Z650 - 67 @8000 / 48.5 @ 6,500 GSX8S - 82 @ 8,500 / 57.5 @ 6,800 890 Duke - 121 @ 9,500 / 73 @ 7,000 Claimed wet weight (lbs/kg): CB750 Hornet - 419/190 MT-07 - 406/184 Z650 - 412/187 GSX8S - 445/202 890 Duke - 405/184 Price (USD): CB750 Hornet - TBD MT-07 - 7,899 Z650 - 7,249 GSX8S - TBD 890 Duke - 11,299 Seat Height (in/cm): Cb750 Hornet - 31.3/79.5 MT-07 - 31.7/80.5 Z650 - 31.1/79 GSX8S - 31.9/81 890 Duke - 32.2/81.7 Notable features (adjustable suspension, electronics suites, etc.) CB750 Hornet - Quickshifter, TFT dash, throttle-by-wire, Showa 41mm non-adj. forks, Pro-link Monoshock rear (preload adj. only), ABS, TC MT-07 - KYB fork, KYB Cantilever monoshock (rebound & preload adj.), ABS, TFT dash, optional quickshifter Z650 - 41mm non-adj fork, monoshock (preload adj), TFT dash, ABS, TC, throttle-by-wire GSX8S - Throttle-by-wire, ABS, TC, Rider modes, quickshifter, TFT Dash KYB fork, KYB monoshock (preload adj) Duke 890 - Fully adjustable WP 43mm front forks, fully adjustable WP-APEX monoshock, ABS, Lean-sensitive TC, TFT Dash, Throttle-by-wire, quickshifter Verdict: Having the longest piston stroke from the entire range allows the GSX to make the 2nd most torque in the range, only bested by the Duke 890, in which that bike has an additional 113cc over the GSX. Therefore, it has the second least oversquare engine layout among its peers, coming in at a ratio of 1.2:1 bore/stroke (only the MT-07 is more square at a ratio of 1.17:1). The main problem in this analysis is the lack of dyno graphs for comparison, because peak numbers only give a hint of the story. Average numbers (and thus area underneath the curves) tells us a lot more. My expectation would be that this is priced slightly higher than the rest of its competition (with exception to the duke, of course) based primarily on the amount of features that come with the off-the shelf package. In this case, you are getting quite a lot, especially when compared to the z650 and the MT07. In fact the key differences between the GSX8S and the Duke 890 are thus: less-adjustable suspension, less displacement, less power production, and higher weight. If Suzuki were to make a sport or track package for this bike with revisions targeting these specific areas, it's reasonable to think that it would be priced similarly, albeit slightly undercutting the duke 890 (40 HP and 16 ft-lb are not easy to make up without displacement increase, significant head work or major oil system design overhaul). With that said, consider this: designing and engineering a high-RPM track-biased engine takes significantly more time, effort, testing and revisions than does making a reasonable street engine. Based on the currently known engine specs, along with Suzuki's traditional design philosophy, the GSX8S looks to be more of a mid-range punch expert than an all-out street engine who's overly rev-happy. Granted, there are steps that can be taken to significantly improve the bike, but those can easily be left to the end user if need be. And if Suzuki's reputation of leaving extra performance on the table (most often easily within reach for the end user), then these are just the stock baseline numbers, and can be vastly improved on if so desired. Point being: I'd much rather have an engine overdesigned with significant over-margin for safe operation rather than a bleeding-edge powerplant with barely any room to improve or modify to my personal taste. Aftermarket exhaust? Well, there goes at least 10 lbs off the frame, if not more. Lightweight Fastener replacements? Well, there's another 4-5 lbs gone. And on and on into obscurity if you wish. But that's not the point for the vast majority of riders, where emphasis is primarily on riding and enjoying your bike rather than chasing tenths. I get it. I don't go down that route if I don't have to. But consider this: my 2012 Monster 1100 EVO weighs nearly 30 lbs more than my ZX-6R, but feels significantly more nimble, and is far more comfortable to ride for anything longer than 30 minutes. Ergonomics, sound chassis geometry and build quality often win the day for the daily rider. Yes, the GSX8S could easily be less massive than it is, but as far as I can tell, this bike's design has an emphasis based more on longevity than outright performance. And that can easily become its own merit in time.
The 890 is more of an MT09 / Street Triple / Z900 rival. Does KTM still make the 790 ? I know CF Moto is making a bike using the 790 motor with around 95 hp.
More features and power than 99% of the competition and it comes with a GOOD quick shifter stock. 270° twin with plenty of tuning potential knowing Suzuki and how they factory limit their motors with software. It'll kill in sales and I'm pumped to ride one.
@@tubejorrit yeah I agree it needs to come in under 9000 for it to do well I think, at 9500or 10000 I would get the Mt 09 forsure it has great tech/power and suspension the mt09 is at least on paper quite a bit more of a bike
It's so weird seeing you on your own Chennai doing your own thing but I'm definitely subscribed now. I'm glad you can express yourself in your own videos.
Yamaha and Suzuki are my favourite two J-makes. I've had several of both marques. I like the mirrors on your loaner-T7. And the non-TFT lengthways dash. The GSX looks loads better than the Hornet to me. A far more thoughtful review than the others which tend to just read off a spec sheet. I like your format, too: a rider riding when talking. Glad I found the channel.
It’s a good looking bike, however, if I was interested in the GSX-S, I’m going with the 750 over P twin. However, if I did stunts, this would be a great new option.
@@spartanx169x I bought a 22 s750 this year. Super glad I got it bc I think you're right. I suspect this is meant to replace it and I love an i4. The 270 ptwins are great, but not what I want at all. *adding credence to the theory they've released all the other bikes 23 models on their site except the s750.
@spartanx169x 169of300 I agree, but it’s the signs of the times. P twins are cheaper to manufacture and make a lot of sense for many riders. I’m certain it’ll be a great bike. However, for exhaust notes, I4 screamers are my preference. @Mancer187 Sweet ride! Like a Gixxer, just more comfortable. Keep the rubber side down.
I been trying to get RUclips to throw your vids in my algorithm for about a month because I forgot to favorite your page. Finally got it. Sad you left yammie noob but happy I made it here to support.
This is pretty random and unrelated to the video, but I think you could host an awesome motorcycle podcast. You have the voice for it imo, I've listened to your content for hours before
0mitted in the list of tech, is the The Suzuki Low-RPM-Assist, while the auto-blipper/quickshifter/ TFT/TC/modes/ABS are great; However, the Low-RPM-Assist is unique and for the stall-shy rider could be a "game changer"
Yammie Noob is a douchebag tool. Spite is much better off without him. YN is actually worse off without him, proof? Look at the views of YN since Spite left. They have mostly been terrible when comparing to before Spite left. The only thing YN was good at was hurling insults at everything that was not perfect FOR HIM. In a couple of years Spites channel will far exceed YN in terms of subscribers.
@@mrEz87 is that why he bought the cbr1000rr-r sp fireblade?😂 Maybe he bought it to bash about the ergos and the name all the time, who knows🤷🏻♂️ He took some damage at the time he fired spite, but now it seems to me that he regained some of the reputation by making videos that new bike riders appreciate. I definetly prefer spite's way of bringing up content, but find myself slip into some stuff that yammie touches on too. I don't pick sides, I just want to see good bike content and hope to see both happy in the near future👌
MT-07 has one other major advantage to the GSX8S, which is being A LOT lighter, at 406 LBS wet, which is basically 40 pounds lighter. The price difference I reckon is also going to be a huge factor and the difference might be much bigger, as the GSX8S is also using an upside-down fork while the MT is still using the cheaper normal fork, to save costs. This fork also makes the MT feel more flickable, even though it actually makes it handle worse on twisties, but the buyers of these bikes will rarely have the skills to notice anything else other than flickability.
From the time I saw the specs of the 8S if I was about to get a street bike I'd definitely choose the 8S over the MT07. Suzuki really hit the spot with the features on this bike compared to the competition imo.
@@californiapoontappa 40lbs more and only 10hp more. In the AUS market, it’s priced similarly to a GSXS-1000. The Hornet is supposed to be priced better, right around an MT-07 and adds an extra 20hp over the MT.
The mt-07 has a few things on this one. It's easier to ride, known for being fun, lighter and has an established look and feel. Even if tthe gsx8s were cheaper and the look/feel sticks it's still difficult to 'kill' such' a bike since, in my opinion, the mt-07 is THE bike that defines its category. I think the market has a lot of room to keep evey bike 'alive'. Cb650r , Sv650, Mt-07, street triple and the list goes on of amazing 600-800 cc nakeds
Why do you think the 270 degree crank is better than 180?? I understand it in the big bikes with huge power to assist with rear wheel traction. But why on these beginner budget bikes?? Would love to hear your reasoning. I’m die hard yamaha and wish they would go back to the 180 degree crank R1. I just love the sound, it’s lighter, and I just love aggressive power. But I’m not sure if maybe the crossplane design makes more torque?? Or not??
Spite don't forget the cruiser bois, it's a huge segment of the US market. Metric, Euro and Indian cruisers are underrepresented on RUclips, plenty of HD channels.
Personally i'm looking forward to the Hornet with a little more power, the GSX8S looks like a love child between MT and their GSXS line for sure and one of the better looking cyborg bikes.
I see the GSX8s definitely replacing the GSX750 and possibly the SV650. I cannot see suzuki having multiple models so close in power and capability in the same category. The GSX750 is old and in need of an update, same with the SV. I don't see them keeping around 750 inline 4 with the current emission regulations and the ever increasing cost of manufacturing. If they keep the SV650, it will be a parallel twin that's fairly de-tuned and will make around 60ish hp IMO
The Hornet looks great, but I was expecting 15-20 more horsepower. It keeps all the Big 4 bikes squarely in the welterweight category and keeps the Street Triple firmly atop the middleweight class.
from a psychological perspective and sales too it makes sense to make and offer less than 100hp motorcycles because there is need for them at any range, keeping everything up to maximal possible power per generation makes market more singular so it cheaper to make more alternatives for making more money
Personally I would choose the 8s over the trident if they are the same price. Dealer network, parts, price, aftermarket support and looks ... but they aren’t the same price, the 8s is more than a z900 and gsxs750- its mt-09 money.....
Beautiful view and solid commentary as always. I'm interested to see what the final pricing on the Suzuki is. Might be tough to compete with the MT-07 if the price point isn't razor sharp. In either event, it should be a ton of fun to ride! Looking forward to the next video 👍
Suzuki confirmed they will not drop the SV650, at least not for 2023 here in Europe. This bike should cost somewhere between 8000 ~ 8500€, above that it's really MT 09 territory and imho, if they slap the 5" dash from the 2023 MT 07 on the 09 that would be a no brainer. On paper it looks like a decent bike although I'm a bit disappointed that it weighs in at 200kg wet.
Had a chance to ride a MT07 and a 8S few months ago and I went in liking the 8S more because of it's looks and tech but I walked out preferring the MT07 because it rode a lot better and you can absolutely feel the 40 lb weight difference.
Ummm… don’t forget Triumph has the Street Triple 765. Throw it into the mix and I think it’d smack down everything else for the title of Middleweight Naked King. It’s a beautiful bike or ugly as sin though. There’s no middle ground with the headlight configuration but the performance of the Street Triple bikes is amazing.
I had my heart set on a ktm890 until i took a test ride, it had no bottom end torque compared to my previous ride (bmw f800r) and was more akin to thrashing a 600 supersport.... I decided on buying another f800r - what is interesting though os that tje Suzukis spec closely mirror that of the old bmw f800, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion
Its going to come down to pricing and ergonomics, its beating the MT07 in power but its competing with the MT09 in features and it's heavier than both bikes. So unless it is priced right the MT09 might be more of a threat to it than it will be to the MT07. also once you factor in other manufacturers its probably going to be relying on "brand loyalty" and heavier riders that won't notice the extra weight as much as the extra power.
It’s 9600 usd... mt-09 price, more than Z900, gsx-s750.... all three are better. It’s about equal to the trident, but much more. It’s not as good as the Honda 750s, but more money. ITS THE SAME PRICE - YOU KNOW THE PRICE THAT KILLED OFF THE CB650R.....
i just love how quiet CF Moto is being about their upcoming bikes and no one's expecting them to compete with the top 4 or even heard of them. oh, i can't wait until they shock the world!!
It's funny how Spite takes a completely different and more positive view from his ex boss Yammie, on this new Suzuki bike. I also like this bike, but I also like the the new Honda Hornet as well. Tough choice!
I ride an older Suzuki now but the Honda looks better to me. It's lighter, more powerful, and cheaper. I don't see any significant difference in looks, and I don't care anyway. I failed the course in college where we learned how to evaluate intangibles.
It really depends on how you like the looks.... or NOT. Personally I am not a fan of the Suzuki look, and feel for pure aesthetics that the MT07 blows the Suzuki away. But aesthetics is purely a personal subjective opinion, and different people are going to have different viewpoints on that. As for performance characteristics we need to ride them both side by side to feel those differences which is not available to do at present. But it would be interesting to see your take on it once it arrives "hint, hint, video content hint".
Blows the Suzuki away in aesthetics? We sell tons are work and the MT07 looks near identical, if not worse with its exposed wires and half built gaming PC quality. The 8S is buttoned up much better and comes with piles of features the 07 lacks. This is coming from somebody who rides the MT plenty.
@@jordanjoestar8839 Out of all the bikes that look like a cockroach with wheels I think the only one that won’t give me second-hand embarrassment is the CB650R.
Hopefully we see some in dealers this year. In my area anyway the only bikes in dealers are harley davidsons and royal enfields. I want an adrenaline rush bike.
I'm so glad the US doesn't force us to have training wheels. The less government the better. It's almost like we have to educate ourselves and have self control without a nanny...
I see you Fallout fan. The Goodsprings Saloon has been re-opened for the public, and is owned by much more charismatic and characterful folks; your klr is perfect for getting there, on or off road
I think the reason why it doesn't have more power is because they can't have it making more than the gsxs-950. But if you look at the compression ratio and Suzuki's known for restricting their bikes with the secondary throttle valve I think after full exhaust in a tune it'll make quite a bit.
Intersecting vid. I was expecting a bit more bhp from the Suzuki tbh but not much & I still like it anyway. Although realistically it's been made to replace the SV650 within 2 years, in Europe at least. Rear shock has preload adjustment but may well be made of chewing gum if it's anything like the SV's lol. The Hornet has more tech with Bluetooth connectivity as well as more engine management options than the Suzuki. However the Honda has smaller brakes (but 12kg less weight) & 8 more bhp but lower torque than the GSX8S. The Hornet has also gone high revving short stroke engine, somewhat like an i4, while the Suzuki has gone for a lower reving long stroke more like a V-twin so will be an interesting match up. A lot of people are saying they're basically the same but they're really not as similar as it may appear superficially. Both have their own different characters with engine characteristics which mirror their predecessors so they very much have their own identities imo.
I looked at the Hornet and I've been in the ER receiving an eye transplant. I'm a huge Honda fan but the Suzuki is 75% more interesting to me and it's quickshifter is said to be phenomenal. With tuning it'll blow the Hornet right out of its nest.
@@jordanjoestar8839 Lol. Well I agree the Suzuki's prettier & probably has more potential so it would be by choice as long as the price isn't silly. The Honda's boring visually imo but it's still a bargain & a lot of bike for the money.
HAHA DUDE YES! metal music and esoteric Fallout references are what i need from my motorcycle channel dude noice! it does look like a nuclear wasteland out there fr id love to bike that
When I heard about this bike I instantly thought of it being a contender for the updated Mt09, however with those specs it won’t even come close. Especially with a similar cost figure and significantly less power. If this is supposed to compete with the Mt07, just out of Yamaha fandom, I’d still pick the 07
Honda like Toyota have that reliability premium. I remember in the 70's & 80's Kawasaki and Suzuki ran like a bat outta Hell when they decided to run. Honda and Yamaha were the reliably adequate options. Sometimes it felt like I pushed my H2 more than I rode it.
I think Suzuki is doing good stuff! MSRP is the big question, I feel like they gotta be cheaper than others. I really like the GSX-S1000 GT they brought out last year, ya it’s based on an old motor but it’s a new model.
It’s possible... cylinder de-activation... however it won’t happen because new riders don’t spend 14k usd to see if they really want to ride or are like all the people who ride for 8 months and stop.
Give me your thoughts, is the GSX8S truly an MT07 killer or do I got no no-ledge?
10-sh HP, TC, slipper clutch aka The Suzuki Clutch Assist System (SCAS) seem like the biggest upgrades over the MT07, course MT07 has the clout, the established presence and low weight. Modes etc. seems attractive to the "grow into it crowd" which is another topic. And the TFT for "blue light addicts". That Honda 750 Hornet though...
The weight seems high. I think Honda has done a better job with the new Hornet.
Cannot ignore the Hornet UK price £6,999 which is £500 less than the Yamaha (2023) - still no price on the Suzuki, although rumoured to be higher than both.
It would be if it was lighter
I don't think it will de-throne the MT-07. An older MT bought with mods is a better financial option. You also get the CP-2 sound. I think if I shopped around, I could make the MT--07 just as much if not more bike than the GSX8S. Take it with a grain of salt, though. I don't even have a bike. I'm just a broke keyboard warrior.
This truely has become my favorite motorcycle channel on the tube! Hope you hit 100k by December. Keep up the excellent work Spite!
Amen to that!
Fallout memes and solid motorcycle journalism? Yeah, that's a sub.
"Awe true to Ceasar"
Awe
So glad to see Spite's channel is doing well. Personally not the content I watch, but it's always nice to see good people succeed.
u want it suqqdd, or nah?
@@tibettenballs4962 nah?
@@mathiasnkristensen probably not a wise choice. Guys got ‘balls’ in his name, and is obv a monk.
@@alexpascal5403 why is saying no to a sucky bad though?
@@mathiasnkristensen id be open to one from a tibbiten monk, idc if it’s gay. Sounds dope.
I recently got my first bike which is an MT-07. I love it and am thankful to you Spite and other Moto-tubers. For convincing me to "Get the bike." I have put 1,000 miles on the bike already in only the 1.5 months I have had it. Already looking at the next bike haha!
I’m happy Suzuki is finally getting in to updating their bikes. I’m also glad they are putting out a 270 crank on their P Twin. All of this is good for the consumer, because it drives competition (Kawasaki) to put out better products. I’d like to see the competition (Kawasaki) put out some similar products.
This bike needs to be priced under 9k otherwise it is in mt-09 pricing territory. I believe Honda is wise to this with it's aggressive pricing of the Hornet 750.
The hornet is a bargain
Lol imagine the fool who would buy gx8s over a mt09 😂🤣🤡
smart choice on the 270 crank will sound and already looks dope imo.
Means? Crank will sound... which bike??
@@lokeshdeshwal5288 270 crank will sound like a Ducati, if it were a 180 crank it would sound like a 300 Ninja
Thanks for adding metric units to the specs, as an European, I really appreciate this 💪 you are awesome Spite
Thank you for including metric numbers! It gives your channel that extra gear up top!
I was pleasantly surprised by this announcement from the Legend that is Suzuki. Gives me hope they´ll thrive during the next few years.
I really hope they start to do interesting bikes again the gs8 is a great start
It’s more than the z900, gsxs750, trident - it’s the same price as the outgoing cb650r .... that’s what killed the cb650r - ITS TOO MUCH. It’s mt-09 money.....wtf
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 AY YO WHAT?!?!
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 so in that case its sorta stupid to compare it to the mt 07 or the 650 class as a whole
@gavin... Nothing!!!! Cause I moved and everything is gone !!!! This is right at my budget sub 10k ... also yeah is absolutely dumb to price this at 9600 usd - that price Buried the cb650r
my take on the GSX8S (this one's long so please stick with me):
First, let's look at the comparable specs on the competing motorcycles mentioned in the video:
Displacement (bore x stroke - in mm):
CB750 Hornet - 755cc (87 x 63.5)
MT-07 - 689cc (80 x 68.6)
Z650 - 649cc (83 x 60.0)
GSX8S - 776cc (84 x 70.0)
890 Duke - 889cc (90.7 x 68.8)
HP/lb-ft TQ (at RPM)
CB750 Hornet - 90.5 @9,500 / 55.3 @7250
MT-07 - 72 @ 8,750 / 49 @ 6,500
Z650 - 67 @8000 / 48.5 @ 6,500
GSX8S - 82 @ 8,500 / 57.5 @ 6,800
890 Duke - 121 @ 9,500 / 73 @ 7,000
Claimed wet weight (lbs/kg):
CB750 Hornet - 419/190
MT-07 - 406/184
Z650 - 412/187
GSX8S - 445/202
890 Duke - 405/184
Price (USD):
CB750 Hornet - TBD
MT-07 - 7,899
Z650 - 7,249
GSX8S - TBD
890 Duke - 11,299
Seat Height (in/cm):
Cb750 Hornet - 31.3/79.5
MT-07 - 31.7/80.5
Z650 - 31.1/79
GSX8S - 31.9/81
890 Duke - 32.2/81.7
Notable features (adjustable suspension, electronics suites, etc.)
CB750 Hornet - Quickshifter, TFT dash, throttle-by-wire, Showa 41mm non-adj. forks, Pro-link Monoshock rear (preload adj. only), ABS, TC
MT-07 - KYB fork, KYB Cantilever monoshock (rebound & preload adj.), ABS, TFT dash, optional quickshifter
Z650 - 41mm non-adj fork, monoshock (preload adj), TFT dash, ABS, TC, throttle-by-wire
GSX8S - Throttle-by-wire, ABS, TC, Rider modes, quickshifter, TFT Dash KYB fork, KYB monoshock (preload adj)
Duke 890 - Fully adjustable WP 43mm front forks, fully adjustable WP-APEX monoshock, ABS, Lean-sensitive TC, TFT Dash, Throttle-by-wire, quickshifter
Verdict:
Having the longest piston stroke from the entire range allows the GSX to make the 2nd most torque in the range, only bested by the Duke 890, in which that bike has an additional 113cc over the GSX. Therefore, it has the second least oversquare engine layout among its peers, coming in at a ratio of 1.2:1 bore/stroke (only the MT-07 is more square at a ratio of 1.17:1). The main problem in this analysis is the lack of dyno graphs for comparison, because peak numbers only give a hint of the story. Average numbers (and thus area underneath the curves) tells us a lot more. My expectation would be that this is priced slightly higher than the rest of its competition (with exception to the duke, of course) based primarily on the amount of features that come with the off-the shelf package. In this case, you are getting quite a lot, especially when compared to the z650 and the MT07. In fact the key differences between the GSX8S and the Duke 890 are thus: less-adjustable suspension, less displacement, less power production, and higher weight. If Suzuki were to make a sport or track package for this bike with revisions targeting these specific areas, it's reasonable to think that it would be priced similarly, albeit slightly undercutting the duke 890 (40 HP and 16 ft-lb are not easy to make up without displacement increase, significant head work or major oil system design overhaul).
With that said, consider this: designing and engineering a high-RPM track-biased engine takes significantly more time, effort, testing and revisions than does making a reasonable street engine. Based on the currently known engine specs, along with Suzuki's traditional design philosophy, the GSX8S looks to be more of a mid-range punch expert than an all-out street engine who's overly rev-happy. Granted, there are steps that can be taken to significantly improve the bike, but those can easily be left to the end user if need be. And if Suzuki's reputation of leaving extra performance on the table (most often easily within reach for the end user), then these are just the stock baseline numbers, and can be vastly improved on if so desired.
Point being: I'd much rather have an engine overdesigned with significant over-margin for safe operation rather than a bleeding-edge powerplant with barely any room to improve or modify to my personal taste. Aftermarket exhaust? Well, there goes at least 10 lbs off the frame, if not more. Lightweight Fastener replacements? Well, there's another 4-5 lbs gone. And on and on into obscurity if you wish. But that's not the point for the vast majority of riders, where emphasis is primarily on riding and enjoying your bike rather than chasing tenths. I get it. I don't go down that route if I don't have to.
But consider this: my 2012 Monster 1100 EVO weighs nearly 30 lbs more than my ZX-6R, but feels significantly more nimble, and is far more comfortable to ride for anything longer than 30 minutes. Ergonomics, sound chassis geometry and build quality often win the day for the daily rider. Yes, the GSX8S could easily be less massive than it is, but as far as I can tell, this bike's design has an emphasis based more on longevity than outright performance. And that can easily become its own merit in time.
The 890 is more of an MT09 / Street Triple / Z900 rival.
Does KTM still make the 790 ? I know CF Moto is making a bike using the 790 motor with around 95 hp.
@@Daniel-gb9ex main reason why I used it is because Spite mentioned it in the video. I just used the examples he gave.
KTM is back to making the Duke 790 at a pretty low MSRP.
More features and power than 99% of the competition and it comes with a GOOD quick shifter stock. 270° twin with plenty of tuning potential knowing Suzuki and how they factory limit their motors with software. It'll kill in sales and I'm pumped to ride one.
its mt-09 money and that has 1 cilinder more and an aluminium frame instead of steel.
@@tubejorrit yeah I agree it needs to come in under 9000 for it to do well I think, at 9500or 10000 I would get the Mt 09 forsure it has great tech/power and suspension the mt09 is at least on paper quite a bit more of a bike
It's so weird seeing you on your own Chennai doing your own thing but I'm definitely subscribed now. I'm glad you can express yourself in your own videos.
Love the Fall out new Vegas reference! Great video!
"Awe true to Ceasar"
Yamaha and Suzuki are my favourite two J-makes. I've had several of both marques. I like the mirrors on your loaner-T7. And the non-TFT lengthways dash.
The GSX looks loads better than the Hornet to me.
A far more thoughtful review than the others which tend to just read off a spec sheet. I like your format, too: a rider riding when talking. Glad I found the channel.
The Suzuki looks better than anything else currently available in this class and it might be enough to become successful
It’s a good looking bike, however, if I was interested in the GSX-S, I’m going with the 750 over P twin. However, if I did stunts, this would be a great new option.
I'm thinking the GSX-S750 is going to get replaced by this new bike.
@@spartanx169x I bought a 22 s750 this year. Super glad I got it bc I think you're right. I suspect this is meant to replace it and I love an i4. The 270 ptwins are great, but not what I want at all.
*adding credence to the theory they've released all the other bikes 23 models on their site except the s750.
@spartanx169x 169of300 I agree, but it’s the signs of the times. P twins are cheaper to manufacture and make a lot of sense for many riders. I’m certain it’ll be a great bike. However, for exhaust notes, I4 screamers are my preference.
@Mancer187 Sweet ride! Like a Gixxer, just more comfortable. Keep the rubber side down.
100K by Christmas? I think Spite can do it. Let’s go Man.
Good luck, good man!
I have just found your channel.
Wish you the best!
Thanks Spite. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
I been trying to get RUclips to throw your vids in my algorithm for about a month because I forgot to favorite your page. Finally got it. Sad you left yammie noob but happy I made it here to support.
man, alone mentioning Ceasars Legon while being outside of Vegas .. I wish I could like this video 100x more :)
Is the Trident 660 not worth comparing with the 8S?
I forgot it exists tbh. It's not my favorite motorcycle. Also I'm dumb
This is pretty random and unrelated to the video, but I think you could host an awesome motorcycle podcast. You have the voice for it imo, I've listened to your content for hours before
0mitted in the list of tech, is the The Suzuki Low-RPM-Assist, while the auto-blipper/quickshifter/ TFT/TC/modes/ABS are great; However, the Low-RPM-Assist is unique and for the stall-shy rider could be a "game changer"
I think Ktm already has low rpm assist on some models
I love how you and Yammie Noob had literal opposite reactions to this bike! It really shows how good your chemistry could be when working with Eric.
Yammie Noob is a douchebag tool. Spite is much better off without him. YN is actually worse off without him, proof? Look at the views of YN since Spite left. They have mostly been terrible when comparing to before Spite left. The only thing YN was good at was hurling insults at everything that was not perfect FOR HIM. In a couple of years Spites channel will far exceed YN in terms of subscribers.
yammie went for the hot take clickbait right away. His review wasn't all that bad other than complaining about all the inline twins out there.
Who's yammie noob? 🤣
But he still hates Honda
@@mrEz87 is that why he bought the cbr1000rr-r sp fireblade?😂
Maybe he bought it to bash about the ergos and the name all the time, who knows🤷🏻♂️
He took some damage at the time he fired spite, but now it seems to me that he regained some of the reputation by making videos that new bike riders appreciate.
I definetly prefer spite's way of bringing up content, but find myself slip into some stuff that yammie touches on too.
I don't pick sides, I just want to see good bike content and hope to see both happy in the near future👌
I like what you are doing spite, keep it up 👍
Hey Spite! Keep up the solid work! Could you give us some gear reviews?
Thank you for also showing the metric system! This way i can understand the stats!
your channel improved so much and so fast!
MT-07 has one other major advantage to the GSX8S, which is being A LOT lighter, at 406 LBS wet, which is basically 40 pounds lighter. The price difference I reckon is also going to be a huge factor and the difference might be much bigger, as the GSX8S is also using an upside-down fork while the MT is still using the cheaper normal fork, to save costs. This fork also makes the MT feel more flickable, even though it actually makes it handle worse on twisties, but the buyers of these bikes will rarely have the skills to notice anything else other than flickability.
From the time I saw the specs of the 8S if I was about to get a street bike I'd definitely choose the 8S over the MT07. Suzuki really hit the spot with the features on this bike compared to the competition imo.
Lets hope Yamaha spices up the mt-07 with a little more power and an SP version
9600 msrp 💀💀💀
@@gavin3810 hahaha wow okay that I didn't see lol. At the time pricing wasn't announced. Could get an MT09 for that huh lol
The opening joke about Ceasars legion is perfect! Best Fallout, don't @ me.
This is accurate
Not a fan of the styling, but I like the look of the specs. The blue is quite nice too.
That last point is very important 😂
The color is always important
9600 usd D.O.A.
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 maybe 7800 would be most I might be willing to pay but I'm definitely not into it I'd rather takes the mt07
I like how weird this bike looks.
@@californiapoontappa 40lbs more and only 10hp more. In the AUS market, it’s priced similarly to a GSXS-1000. The Hornet is supposed to be priced better, right around an MT-07 and adds an extra 20hp over the MT.
That FNV reference at 1:12👍
"Awe true to Ceasar"
Awe
The mt-07 has a few things on this one. It's easier to ride, known for being fun, lighter and has an established look and feel. Even if tthe gsx8s were cheaper and the look/feel sticks it's still difficult to 'kill' such' a bike since, in my opinion, the mt-07 is THE bike that defines its category. I think the market has a lot of room to keep evey bike 'alive'. Cb650r , Sv650, Mt-07, street triple and the list goes on of amazing 600-800 cc nakeds
What do you think about the GSX-8S vs the SV650?
If I were going to buy one new - which one should I get? I currently have 2nd gen SV650.
Content is great, keep it up. Have to see how well it pulls the front tire up to see if it competes with the MT
Thank you Spite. Another great video.
Why do you think the 270 degree crank is better than 180?? I understand it in the big bikes with huge power to assist with rear wheel traction. But why on these beginner budget bikes?? Would love to hear your reasoning. I’m die hard yamaha and wish they would go back to the 180 degree crank R1. I just love the sound, it’s lighter, and I just love aggressive power. But I’m not sure if maybe the crossplane design makes more torque?? Or not??
That Bike looks awesome, and the tec is really interesting. Cant wait to see this bike here in germany :-)
If you paint the GSX8S orange, it is almost the same as the KTM Duke.
Suzuki completely robbed KTM’s design!
Spite don't forget the cruiser bois, it's a huge segment of the US market. Metric, Euro and Indian cruisers are underrepresented on RUclips, plenty of HD channels.
Personally i'm looking forward to the Hornet with a little more power, the GSX8S looks like a love child between MT and their GSXS line for sure and one of the better looking cyborg bikes.
I see the GSX8s definitely replacing the GSX750 and possibly the SV650. I cannot see suzuki having multiple models so close in power and capability in the same category. The GSX750 is old and in need of an update, same with the SV. I don't see them keeping around 750 inline 4 with the current emission regulations and the ever increasing cost of manufacturing. If they keep the SV650, it will be a parallel twin that's fairly de-tuned and will make around 60ish hp IMO
The Hornet looks great, but I was expecting 15-20 more horsepower. It keeps all the Big 4 bikes squarely in the welterweight category and keeps the Street Triple firmly atop the middleweight class.
I don’t know…”death blow” might be kinda extreme, lol! Great video.
The only death blow it has, is it’s own price. Almost the same price that killed the cbr650r ....yep 9600 usd.
from a psychological perspective and sales too it makes sense to make and offer less than 100hp motorcycles because there is need for them at any range, keeping everything up to maximal possible power per generation makes market more singular so it cheaper to make more alternatives for making more money
What about the Triumph Trident? How do you think it would compare?
Personally I would choose the 8s over the trident if they are the same price. Dealer network, parts, price, aftermarket support and looks ... but they aren’t the same price, the 8s is more than a z900 and gsxs750- its mt-09 money.....
Beautiful view and solid commentary as always. I'm interested to see what the final pricing on the Suzuki is. Might be tough to compete with the MT-07 if the price point isn't razor sharp. In either event, it should be a ton of fun to ride! Looking forward to the next video 👍
Suzuki confirmed they will not drop the SV650, at least not for 2023 here in Europe. This bike should cost somewhere between 8000 ~ 8500€, above that it's really MT 09 territory and imho, if they slap the 5" dash from the 2023 MT 07 on the 09 that would be a no brainer.
On paper it looks like a decent bike although I'm a bit disappointed that it weighs in at 200kg wet.
Your right. And apparently the SV 650 has been selling well recently in Germany I was just reading.
I have been excited to hear your opinion on this bike. Im commenting before finishing the video lol
Goodman Spite ….. I enjoy your content keep it up all they way from Ireland 🇮🇪
You were sitting on my next bike the whole video. Currently have the Yamaha xsr700. Love the 689cc engine just want it in a different format.
Caesar’s Legion 🤣🤣🤣. Love the NV reference right out the gate.
The most important thing for this to be successful is the price, if it’s cheaper than the hornet, mt07, trident then it will sell like hotcakes
Spite Rules!!!
Spite Rules🎉😮😊
Spite your gonna go big buddy. And when you do you should hire me to test all these bikes with you. Lol
Your living the dream buddy.
Had a chance to ride a MT07 and a 8S few months ago and I went in liking the 8S more because of it's looks and tech but I walked out preferring the MT07 because it rode a lot better and you can absolutely feel the 40 lb weight difference.
Looks like you're out at Kodachrome trail/Lava Butte trail area.
Spite i know your a music guy. Is that you playing in the beginning of this video?
Not really familiar with different shifters but are the mechanical, hydraulic or electronic assistance
i just want to say, i totally got the Ceasers Legion comment. Love that game...
Ummm… don’t forget Triumph has the Street Triple 765. Throw it into the mix and I think it’d smack down everything else for the title of Middleweight Naked King. It’s a beautiful bike or ugly as sin though. There’s no middle ground with the headlight configuration but the performance of the Street Triple bikes is amazing.
Street Triple is more of a "middle weight plus", like the MT09 and Z900.
Triumph's competitor to this would be the Trident 660 imo.
Both the Suzuki and the Honda seems to looked at KTM Duke 790/890.
Now it's just to chose between performance or reliability. Austria vs Japan.
only a matter of time before you hit a million with content and quality like this
This one is more awesome!! No "Y" in sight....
Keep it up Spite!!!
"No sign of Ceaser's Legion anywhere"
Dude, nice Fallout reference
Waiting for the "XSR" version.... there must be a neo-retro-styled version in the future.
Most promising parallel twin forsure! Better looking than the new Hornet aswell. I hope it has a 180 size rear tire aswell
yeah merely better looking with 10kgs heavier weight and 10 less HP. and probablly 1k more expensive.
I had my heart set on a ktm890 until i took a test ride, it had no bottom end torque compared to my previous ride (bmw f800r) and was more akin to thrashing a 600 supersport.... I decided on buying another f800r - what is interesting though os that tje Suzukis spec closely mirror that of the old bmw f800, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion
It has a 180 tire 😎 its a beefy bike, the weight is to high tho...
I wish you success. Within the first minute, I clicked away. I came back to help you out. Le. Take it or leave it
Best part, is they still wont update the DRZ to add fuel injection.
And an extra gear.
Well if they do it'll cost as much as the gsxs
Its going to come down to pricing and ergonomics, its beating the MT07 in power but its competing with the MT09 in features and it's heavier than both bikes. So unless it is priced right the MT09 might be more of a threat to it than it will be to the MT07. also once you factor in other manufacturers its probably going to be relying on "brand loyalty" and heavier riders that won't notice the extra weight as much as the extra power.
pricing is so important on this bike...if it's price like a Tuono or a Street Triple it will not compete.
It’s 9600 usd... mt-09 price, more than Z900, gsx-s750.... all three are better. It’s about equal to the trident, but much more. It’s not as good as the Honda 750s, but more money. ITS THE SAME PRICE - YOU KNOW THE PRICE THAT KILLED OFF THE CB650R.....
Agreed. They need to come correct there
i just love how quiet CF Moto is being about their upcoming bikes and no one's expecting them to compete with the top 4 or even heard of them. oh, i can't wait until they shock the world!!
If cfmoto wants to be good , they shouldn’t copy the worst bike in the segment..Kawasaki 650...
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 they got way more bikes than that, plus thats not a bad bike to build from
@@marcustaylor3528 impossible to know till they get a bit older and abused a bit...
@@MrKillervincent and I'll be one of the abusers lol
It's funny how Spite takes a completely different and more positive view from his ex boss Yammie, on this new Suzuki bike. I also like this bike, but I also like the the new Honda Hornet as well. Tough choice!
I ride an older Suzuki now but the Honda looks better to me. It's lighter, more powerful, and cheaper. I don't see any significant difference in looks, and I don't care anyway. I failed the course in college where we learned how to evaluate intangibles.
I’m a bit disappointed that it only makes about 5 hp more despite having an additional 125cc over the SV.
Hello I'm interested in getting a yamaha mt 07 2021 can I have a price for it I'm from Guyana 🇬🇾
When are we going to get a day in the saddle of / review of the T7?
We don't even know if Honda will sell the Hornet in the USA.
Hey man, hope you're bending those knees when standing off road!! Tall guys get painful knees very easily, keep it safe! 💪
It really depends on how you like the looks.... or NOT. Personally I am not a fan of the Suzuki look, and feel for pure aesthetics that the MT07 blows the Suzuki away. But aesthetics is purely a personal subjective opinion, and different people are going to have different viewpoints on that. As for performance characteristics we need to ride them both side by side to feel those differences which is not available to do at present. But it would be interesting to see your take on it once it arrives "hint, hint, video content hint".
Blows the Suzuki away in aesthetics? We sell tons are work and the MT07 looks near identical, if not worse with its exposed wires and half built gaming PC quality. The 8S is buttoned up much better and comes with piles of features the 07 lacks. This is coming from somebody who rides the MT plenty.
@@jordanjoestar8839 Out of all the bikes that look like a cockroach with wheels I think the only one that won’t give me second-hand embarrassment is the CB650R.
@@jordanjoestar8839 nah, Suzuki looks like ass
Is Honda going to release the cb750 hornet to North America?
Hopefully we see some in dealers this year.
In my area anyway the only bikes in dealers are harley davidsons and royal enfields.
I want an adrenaline rush bike.
Up here in Maine that’s all you can find is Harleys
I'm so glad the US doesn't force us to have training wheels. The less government the better. It's almost like we have to educate ourselves and have self control without a nanny...
Fallout New Vegas reference right off the bat! Gotta love it.
I see you Fallout fan. The Goodsprings Saloon has been re-opened for the public, and is owned by much more charismatic and characterful folks; your klr is perfect for getting there, on or off road
I think the reason why it doesn't have more power is because they can't have it making more than the gsxs-950. But if you look at the compression ratio and Suzuki's known for restricting their bikes with the secondary throttle valve I think after full exhaust in a tune it'll make quite a bit.
I am likeing the Tenere more than the gs . The tenere is goinng down the road very nice and did the dirty well
Intersecting vid. I was expecting a bit more bhp from the Suzuki tbh but not much & I still like it anyway. Although realistically it's been made to replace the SV650 within 2 years, in Europe at least. Rear shock has preload adjustment but may well be made of chewing gum if it's anything like the SV's lol. The Hornet has more tech with Bluetooth connectivity as well as more engine management options than the Suzuki. However the Honda has smaller brakes (but 12kg less weight) & 8 more bhp but lower torque than the GSX8S. The Hornet has also gone high revving short stroke engine, somewhat like an i4, while the Suzuki has gone for a lower reving long stroke more like a V-twin so will be an interesting match up. A lot of people are saying they're basically the same but they're really not as similar as it may appear superficially. Both have their own different characters with engine characteristics which mirror their predecessors so they very much have their own identities imo.
I looked at the Hornet and I've been in the ER receiving an eye transplant. I'm a huge Honda fan but the Suzuki is 75% more interesting to me and it's quickshifter is said to be phenomenal. With tuning it'll blow the Hornet right out of its nest.
@@jordanjoestar8839 Lol. Well I agree the Suzuki's prettier & probably has more potential so it would be by choice as long as the price isn't silly. The Honda's boring visually imo but it's still a bargain & a lot of bike for the money.
loved the New Vegas reference 😆
"Awe true to Ceasar"
HAHA DUDE YES! metal music and esoteric Fallout references are what i need from my motorcycle channel dude noice! it does look like a nuclear wasteland out there fr id love to bike that
Sweet video! Sounds like no killer has arrived yet, but they are knocking on the door.
@Spite's Corner is the previous comment you? Or a scammer?
Is the mt07 for commuting?
When I heard about this bike I instantly thought of it being a contender for the updated Mt09, however with those specs it won’t even come close. Especially with a similar cost figure and significantly less power. If this is supposed to compete with the Mt07, just out of Yamaha fandom, I’d still pick the 07
Honda like Toyota have that reliability premium. I remember in the 70's & 80's Kawasaki and Suzuki ran like a bat outta Hell when they decided to run. Honda and Yamaha were the reliably adequate options. Sometimes it felt like I pushed my H2 more than I rode it.
I think Suzuki is doing good stuff! MSRP is the big question, I feel like they gotta be cheaper than others. I really like the GSX-S1000 GT they brought out last year, ya it’s based on an old motor but it’s a new model.
Spite doing a GSX8S review while playing Red Dead Redemption 2...
IN REAL LIFE...
on a motorcycle instead of a horse.
Also LOL standing @11:26 - 15:24
With how things are going we're soon going to have beginner litter bikes.
Ikr it's silly that people would consider this a learner
It’s possible... cylinder de-activation... however it won’t happen because new riders don’t spend 14k usd to see if they really want to ride or are like all the people who ride for 8 months and stop.