Looking forward to pictures and video of RAAF F-35As, USN F-35Cs and F-35Bs practicing working together in Australian skies as well. Heluva show and message to the Chinese.
Well it was supposed to be taking over from the A10 when the USAF wanted to scrap them, except nobody really believed it And the A10s got a reprieve. So it must have some capabilities for ground support. But it would have to be in beast mode I think and I seem to recall that the gun has very little ammunition on board. Maybe there’s some sort of external pod that can help with that. I also don’t think you’d want to get that thing too close to the ground with people taking potshots with their manpads. You don’t need an aircraft that costs this much to do effective ground support And it’s main strengths of course Are to do with sensor fusion, networking, stealth and radar that allows it to shoot the enemy Before the enemy even sees them. So using them for ground support seems to me to be taking unnecessary risks with them, but I guess they will be used in that role at some stage by the RAAF.
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@@thangchano no I was exaggerating a bit. We could man at least two Nimitz class carriers and still have a few people in Canberra to do the paperwork but we would have to decommission all of our ships to do it. That would be a problem as Nimitz carrier needs a whole task force around it to protect it and we wouldn’t have any ships or people left to do that. But to be serious for a minute, the cost of running a Nimitz class carrier would really be prohibitive for an economy the size of Australia. We would have better ways of spending the money, like not shutting down the rest of our Navy to do it. The best we can hope for is maybe one day putting a few F 35Bs on a modified Adelaide class ship if we want to project some air power away from our own shores
If you're interested, it's a documentary of the competition between Boeing and LM to secure the JSF Program. Interesting couple of hours if you have the time.
Yes watching those guys getting in and strapping themselves in reminded me of taking delivery of a new car. Just a lot more pressure not to prang it I guess.
And not one rivet or screw head is found on the exterior of the JET..True 5th generation manufacturing! Unlike Russias SU57 so called stealth it is infested with Rivets like a jonboat! 😂
No way, drones are no match for human pilots, the u.s. navy already has manned 6th generation fighters under development to replace the F/A-18E/F and the F-15C/D/E plus the F-35 will be in service until at least 2070
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Joseph McDermott I'm not sure where you are getting your info on the F35A, but your cost per aircraft is way off!! The current cost for the A version is 94 Million not 236 Million. Where did you get a figure like that??? Also I could not find any information on Norway buying F18 aircraft. You also mention F35 being beaten by F18 in dogfights. Please supply the site,video, etc., of any dogfight between these two planes (other than in Operation Red Flag) where the F18 has won a Dogfight?? Please supply info from a reliable source not some supposition or fake made up site.
FALSE, From www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acquisitions/F-35A-Lightning-II/?RAAF-ZRnYQhJUh1u0e44uR32olOT1rt+Ym4K3 "The first F-35 aircraft will arrive in Australia in 2018 and the first squadron, Number 3 Squadron, will be operational in 2021. All 72 aircraft are expected to be fully operational by 2023" "The total capital cost of $12.4 billion for this acquisition includes the cost of associated facilities, weapons and training." "Around $1.6 billion in new facilities and infrastructure will be constructed, including at RAAF Base Williamtown in New South Wales and RAAF Base Tindal in the Northern Territory." ---- Australia is upgrading it's air bases together with F-35s. Some JSF countries wouldn't be bothered with airbase upgrades. Minus the airbase upgrades, its $150 million AUD or $131 million USD for each F-35A which includes the cost of weapons and training. Australian Dollar is slightly weaker than US Dollar. Minus $1.6 billion AUD base upgrades , $150 million AUD = *$114 million* USD per unit (18/03/2015) F-35A's R&D cost will be soaked up the US tax payer (larger economic strength)
Randy Sell, What are you talking about? Aussie Super Hornets destroyed Alaska aggressors F-16s nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2015/11/20/a-fly-f-35-erfaringer-fra-den-forste-uka/ More F-16 vs F-35 from Norwegian pilot. I quote _Overall, flying the F-35 reminds me a bit of flying the F/A-18 Hornet, but with an important difference: It has been fitted with a turbo_ Original source (non-English) suomenkuvalehti.fi/jutut/kotimaa/suomella-vahvat-ilmavoimat-mutta-kuinka-kauan/ Frisian Flag 2012 exercises in Holland, Finnish F-18Cs gets 100 kills and 6 loses against Eurofighter (Germany, UK), Polish new F-16 and older F-16 planes (Norway, Belgium) and Gripen (Swedish) www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=26173 To The FUTURE Jan/Feb 2018 ANDREW MCLAUGHLIN; Aust Aviation Magazine "...To the future A former classic Hornet pilot, WGCDR Clare provides an interesting comparison between the old and new aircraft. “The F-35 actually flies very, very similarly to the Hornet, both classic and Super,” he related. “In fact, it’s probably more like the Super in the way it feels. The alpha (angle of attack performance) and the power is similar to a Super Hornet, although it’s got a little bit more power down low. --------- ruclips.net/video/Bu8G5ABHKc8/видео.html Around 1 :09:51, RAAF commander mentioned how the Super Hornets had a positive kill ratio in excess of 20 to 1 against the Alaska aggressors F-16 in an exercise in Australia more than a year ago.
Level 3 partners are Turkey, US$195 million; Canada US$160 million; Australia, US$144 million; Norway, US$122 million and Denmark, US$110 million which is 201 mil aud give or take a few bucks. Info From Wikipedia
Is it true they are a lemon or have they fixed it? I really hope they are good we need them and are spending so much money. Please if anyone actually knows what there talking about can you let me know. Thank you.
Russell Coight since the last update all the knockers pretty much shut up and ran away. the software now allows it to pull 9G+ with a full internal weapons load (I believe). it accelerates far better than anyone realised and is far more agile than the early software allowed (prior software for example only allowed ~7G). its radar and avionics are outstanding etc. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's pretty damn good - especially if you're in an aircraft lacking the sensor and radar tech that the f-35 has. in that case you're just dead. search for the 2018 RIAT F-35 display and you'll see what I mean about it's agility. and that isn't the end of it. it is still computer limited until they finish research and testing etc - the airframe is technically capable of pulling enough G forces to rip itself apart, so there is still room for more turning performance etc in future upgrades perhaps.
Thats good to know mate I was worried about this plane. Going from 7G to 9 is a massive improvement I really hope our air force keeps on upgrading the ones we have for a long time. Thanks for the reply mate.
Please I sent a message early today I needed to know what happened to my fiancée we were planning to get married he’s an engineer in RAAF just help me if u can I lost contact with him since more than 2 months whatever your answer would be I’m ready for that whether he’s busy or sick please I’m very worried
You need to explain to the public that this fighter jet ain't stealth.. It's never been stealth and it never will be stealth.. Because I'm sick of having conversations with people that assume it's stealth.. Stealth is being able to get from point A to point B without being seen or heard!! This fighter jet can't do that.. Stop telling the Australian public it's stealth because it makes people look stupid!!
Why does everyone think these planes are awesome. It’s all marketing and publicity hype. Then you hear an Airforce officer telling you how great they are. Geez imagine his career if he said it was crap. It’s an ok plane based on Stealth which is fast becoming obsolete. The thing is great at anything. Let’s hear the truth about maintenance and availability rates, especial flight hours compared to maintenance hours. Thank god we have the hornets
Look at the signaller, not in the proper uniform. No respect to the plane. Have a look at the f35 in the US, a guard on a proper uniform giving signals to f35. Tsk tsk, now you know aussies cant stand alone without americas help.
I wonder how long the RAAF channel will allow this comment to stay up: The F-35A is a grossly overpriced and overhyped, fragile, poorly performing aircraft that cannot supercruise, with a tiny payload and major structural flaws such as trans-sonic buffeting and overheating elevator edges. Its showcase capability, namely the detection, identification and engagement of targets far beyond visual range is dubious. It will operate on visual engagement rules, because its systems are prone to false positives and duplicates. Its real price is way more than the quoted one. It relies on mission data that takes hours to load and can only be produced in the US - which means that the US has an effective veto over any mission. Even if the US approves, the undersea cables that are the only secure method of passing the data will come under immediate enemy attack in the event of a real war. Its availability rate remains at 50% overall, which is of course completely unacceptable. Eighteen years after it first flew, twelve years after going into full production, it is still not rated combat-ready by the USAF, with a list of over 150 potentially deadly problems. We take this dodo on at our peril.
Bullshit. Year 2013's transonic buffeting is not major issue for F-35A Block 3F. Year 2013's overheating elevator edges are been fixed for F-35A Block 3F. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition In November 2014 it was reported French defence minister is set to visit India amid deadlock in project for 126 Rafale fighters for meeting with his counterpart www.defenseworld.net/news/12445/Terms_Non_Negotiable_On_MMRCA_Rafale_Deal__Indian_MoD#.VQlni_iJjiI The price shot up to $18 billion when Dassault won the contract as the lowest bidder in January 2012. $18 billion / 126 unit = *$142.85 million*. From www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acquisitions/F-35A-Lightning-II/?RAAF-ZRnYQhJUh1u0e44uR32olOT1rt+Ym4K3 "The first F-35 aircraft will arrive in Australia in 2018 and the first squadron, Number 3 Squadron, will be operational in 2021. All 72 aircraft are expected to be fully operational by 2023" "The total capital cost of $12.4 billion for this acquisition includes the cost of associated facilities, weapons and training." "Around $1.6 billion in new facilities and infrastructure will be constructed, including at RAAF Base Williamtown in New South Wales and RAAF Base Tindal in the Northern Territory." ---- Australia is upgrading it's air bases together with F-35s. Some JSF countries wouldn't be bothered with airbase upgrades. Minus the airbase upgrades, its $150 million AUD or $131 million USD for each F-35A which includes the cost of weapons and training. Australian Dollar is slightly weaker than US Dollar. Minus $1.6 billion AUD base upgrades , $150 million AUD = *$114 million* USD per unit (18/03/2015) F-35A's R&D cost will be soaked up the US tax payer (larger economic strength)
The trans-sonic buffeting was not fixed, the performance specs were downgraded. It now accelerates more slowly through the sound barrier. This is a bug, not a feature. The elevator leading edges were still a problem on fast low passes as of 2017, and there is no sign of a fix. The air bases would not need "upgrades" on this scale - mainly, building the clean covered maintenance facilities this prima donna must have - if we hadn't bought it. Your projected dates for operational readiness are a wish and a hope in a program that has never met a deadline yet. The same goes for its cost. The cost estimates given to the 2016 Senate enquiry were $A90 million per aircraft, which everybody knew was a lie. Now you say $A150 million each. I'll believe it when I see it, and at that it's too damn expensive for what it can actually do. The rest of what I said stands unchallenged. It's a maintenance hog with an availability rate of around 50%, according to the latest DOT&E report. It still has a list of over 150 potentially disastrous flaws. It requires hours of downloads before and after every mission, and it can't be scrambled. Its weapons load only allows one strike per mission, or drop stealth. And one bogey, after which it has to run. If it opens its weapons bay, it drops stealth anyway. The data it must have to fly any mission can only be coded in the US - IF the US approves - and sent by undersea cable. It'll never be used in anger, most likely. That's the only comfort in this sorry saga. It'll only be a complete waste of money. Better that than lives. All the same, it's my money.
puffin51, That's FALSE with trans-sonic buffeting argument since you misapplied F-35C's trans-sonic problem for F-35A. The downgraded specs was with Block 2A era with 4.5G for F-35A in 2012. The leaked year 2015 F-35A AF-02 vs F-16D incident has resulted this F-35A AF-02 unit reaching 6.5G turn! This is before F-35 Block 2B/3I's 7G This is for F-35A Block 3F www.luke.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1386133/lukes-newest-amu-supports-f-35-program/ _The unit is the first Luke F-35 AMU to receive a 3F, or full-up, combat aircraft capable of _*_pulling 9G’s_*_ in the air_ Please re-post 2017 DOD report from US gov link. I already have the web link. "The elevator leading edges were still a problem on fast low passes as of 2017" is false. Quote it. Hint: it has nothing to do with "elevator leading edges". F-35 has all moving horizontal stabilizer. Under DOD YF17's "F-35A Flight Science", there's no mention on "Excessive heating on the horizontal tail surfaces" like F-35B's problem. It's only under "F-35B Flight Sciences" has "Excessive heating on the horizontal tail surfaces" DOD FY17 talks about 9G F-35A Block 3F which is distant from 2012's F-35A 4.5G. F-35B and F-35C lagging behind F-35A Block 3F status. DOD FY17 expects F-35A Block 3F software to be installed on Lot 9 late 2017, hence DOD FY17 is missing a few months from year 2017. I'll take you on. Try again.
My notifications tells me that Rnl Valen has responded, but I do not see his post here, and I assume there's been some sort of YT stuff-up. From his first few lines, he denies that there has been a trans sonic buffeting problem in the F-35A - only in the C. I think he's wrong about that, and all versions of the aircraft had to have their performance downgraded - but that's relatively minor. What about its availability rates? What about its download/upload times? What about its small payloads consistent with stealth? Because one thing's for sure: if it's caught on the ground being serviced or downloading, its questionable performance in the air won't matter in the slightest.
puffin51 You're mistaking actual cost for flyaway cost. The F-35A costs less than 90 million a piece, but it'll cost more if you consider all of the attached infrastructure and additional costs. Basically no one just buys aircraft without tools, weapons, simulators and so on. You can look at any aircraft and make the same claim about it being too expensive if you add all of the costs, but that's just dumb. If you compare the F-35A to other aircraft, using comparable numbers, it's simply a much better bargain. Availability rates were low because early production aircraft were accounted for in the numbers. Those had extremely low availability rates, while newer ones (talking about last year's numbers) were above 90%. Yet again, you're looking at numbers without really understanding what they mean. The F-35 can very well be scrambled. Again, it's a continuous improvement process and you can't just make assumptions from early production models or practices. Here you're making a really idiotic comparison. The F-35 can either carry a rather small weapons load for stealth missions, which no alternative can do in the first place, or abandon some of the stealth to do a full load mission. In the second case, it's still stealthier than any alternative aircraft, which means it still holds an advantage. So basically you're claiming the F-35 isn't good because it's limited in doing something that other aircraft can't even do in the first place. Weapons bays aren't open for long, they're open for a few seconds then go back to normal. You're really digging for issues to the point where most of them are just utterly wrong and based on misunderstandings. This is why you don't listen to idiots like Pierre Sprey and Carlo Kopp.
The RAAF Waste money on the F-35 While the Navy Waste money on a stupid diesel submarine. "New tech" when you place orders for the F-35 16 years from when you get the first 2, while other countries are building better aircraft just shows how far behind we as a nation are in our military equipment. If you are going to spend $125 mil a pop you could have spent an extra $25 mil and got a decent aircraft such as the F-22 Raptor.
Money is not being wasted. F-35A is the real deal. Production cost down to 78 million USD. They are the best multi-role fighter on the planet. Australia will be thrilled with them.
@@deepposeidon289 The sub deal is crazy stupid. Should be canned immediately. These F-35A's with new LRASM (long range anti-ship missiles) will provide a good defense against any CCP fleet adventures near Australia.
Rafale français trop évolué pour les petits pilote Australien 😂😂😂😂 French air force = number one Usaf, Raf, Raaf =💩💩💩 Rafale mirage kill f15 f16 f18 f22 f35 Vive l'alliance France Russie Chine Iran
What a waste of money. The climate is a much greater threat to Australia than any foreign power. But, of course, the air force must get new toys at times. Trump&co are surely happy, though.
Yes defence is very expensive in both dollars and blood. You are enjoying security now that was bought by others. The biggest problem with modern defence systems is that they have 10 to 20 year leadtimes, so if you wait for a threat before you decide to do something about defending yourself it is already too late. So maybe you should stick to climate change and let the defence experts work on keeping you safe.
Can't wait to see these birds in Australian skies!
I bet!
Looking forward to pictures and video of RAAF F-35As, USN F-35Cs and F-35Bs practicing working together in Australian skies as well.
Heluva show and message to the Chinese.
krosny FUCK YEAH!!!!I hate the Chinese!!! We have 2 of the loudest jets really, so our ears will get smashed at Avalon😆😆😆😆😆👍👍👍👍👍😭
krosny same
With big red roo painted on it...fuck Qantas.......
Want to be a raaf pilot when I'm older, these planes are awesome
Do it. Get your parents to pay for your recreational pilots license while you're young. Get as many flying hours as you can.
Toby Johnson Same here its my dream job especially if im going to get to pilot the f-35s they are insane
Head over to DefenceJobs.gov.au for all the info on becoming an Air Force pilot.
Royal Australian Air Force awesome ill take a look
Toby Johnson you do cadets bro?
I want to be one too, trying to apply for flying and gliding course
I live near a raaf bass and I always see and hear the planes ripping over my house. it is always so cool to watch them and I am so fascinated by them.
Just dont drink any water near any raaf bases PFAS...
Proud too be a Australian
They fly over my house on the way back to amberley air base. Can’t wait for these bullets to buzz us💥🇦🇺🇺🇸
Block 3F beauties ready to go.
yakidin63 calm down buddy, just lets see how they work out!!!
Can’t wait to fly them!
Global health emergency (codification in American English language);
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Just gotta wait 8 more years to fly this beauty
I'm a Filipino but I want to be an Australian Air force
Will these be replacing f-18s because when I’m older I want to fly in a fighter or a e7a wedgetail
Im curious what close air support to ground troops can the F35 deliver.
Well it was supposed to be taking over from the A10 when the USAF wanted to scrap them, except nobody really believed it And the A10s got a reprieve. So it must have some capabilities for ground support. But it would have to be in beast mode I think and I seem to recall that the gun has very little ammunition on board. Maybe there’s some sort of external pod that can help with that. I also don’t think you’d want to get that thing too close to the ground with people taking potshots with their manpads. You don’t need an aircraft that costs this much to do effective ground support And it’s main strengths of course Are to do with sensor fusion, networking, stealth and radar that allows it to shoot the enemy Before the enemy even sees them. So using them for ground support seems to me to be taking unnecessary risks with them, but I guess they will be used in that role at some stage by the RAAF.
The F35 replaced the F16 ground attack role. A10s are rare and slow.
Im only 14 now, but I have big ambitions to become an F35A Lightning II pilot for RAAF, I'm joining air cadets later this year and I can't wait
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What we need now is a Nimitz Class Carrier
I think that might take our entire Navy just to provide the crew.😂😂😂
@@robman2095 do we only have that many people?? That sucks
@@thangchano no I was exaggerating a bit. We could man at least two Nimitz class carriers and still have a few people in Canberra to do the paperwork but we would have to decommission all of our ships to do it. That would be a problem as Nimitz carrier needs a whole task force around it to protect it and we wouldn’t have any ships or people left to do that. But to be serious for a minute, the cost of running a Nimitz class carrier would really be prohibitive for an economy the size of Australia. We would have better ways of spending the money, like not shutting down the rest of our Navy to do it. The best we can hope for is maybe one day putting a few F 35Bs on a modified Adelaide class ship if we want to project some air power away from our own shores
Thanks in advance I know you will not let me down
Love how an export jet has inches on it still
I want to be in the Australian Air five when I’m older
How does it compares to F16V?
Wonder how long it would take to fly one from USA to Australia 🤔
I would love it if New Zealand got this!. Or if NZ got a air combat group.
holdenvy1 where you from???. Let me guess your Australian?.
holdenvy1 Bless your tiny tiny heart.
That’s why you need to stop focusing on sheep and focus on government money a bit more
@@jackwalsh2553 that is absolutely right! If NZ pulled it weight well that would make us a tougher and stronger decicated fighting force😠
NZ should buy even just 6 new Superhornets or f15x.Would make a big difference if Chinese warships turn up off the coast of NZ
Just imagine paying +90 Millions each aircraft and not having the "final software system which unlocks etc..." Gotta love the tech speak.
What I would give to pilot one of these!
Can anyone recommend a good (recent) documentary on the F-35? I'd love to learn more about this aircraft. Thanks.
I'll see what I can dig up for you. Wait out!
Thank you!
ruclips.net/video/QPvzEr33maM/видео.html
If you're interested, it's a documentary of the competition between Boeing and LM to secure the JSF Program. Interesting couple of hours if you have the time.
Here's me little playlist ;) ruclips.net/p/PLMGG5eo2YO8iSklEyWpB7TpaA2GJeu2_L
its my birthday soon so ill be old enough to join cadets its my dream job to join the air force
Are these going to RAAF Base Luke or USAF Base Luke? I’m looking for it on Google Maps
I believe these were going to Luke AFB Arizona for pilot training. There are now 26 F-35A in Australian RAAF. Maybe 20 of them actually in Australia.
Cal Crappie thank you for letting me know.
But does it have Air con & reversing sensors
Yes watching those guys getting in and strapping themselves in reminded me of taking delivery of a new car. Just a lot more pressure not to prang it I guess.
"All bound for Morningtown many miles away"
Would love to be ground crew working with these!
Having trouble seeing the lines on the taxiways and runways? No problem, just look through the Aircraft. Lol...!!!!
And not one rivet or screw head is found on the exterior of the JET..True 5th generation manufacturing! Unlike Russias SU57 so called stealth it is infested with Rivets like a jonboat! 😂
Yet the su57 could take off from a sirty runway like every other previous russian jet because they actually think about real work scenarios
Lets hope those delivery guys didnt thrash them..
Are these the jets that are capable of vertical take off and landing?
No that is the F35B variant.
There are several variants. One does vertical takeoff and another is used on USN carriers.
Wow
stunning planes. shame that these will be the last manned fighters
Paul Everest "last manned fighters" lol
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Paul Everest Don't hold your breath.
Paul Everest We were supposed to have people on Mars by now.
No way, drones are no match for human pilots, the u.s. navy already has manned 6th generation fighters under development to replace the F/A-18E/F and the F-15C/D/E plus the F-35 will be in service until at least 2070
BRING BACK THE PIGS!!!!!!
Bad ass
Great footage but why wouldn't you add some music or something to this? The audio is just awkward, seems unfinished
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I'm definitely one of those who prefers raw footage. Much appreciated. Hopefully there will be more videos of the F35 to come :)
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Please don't add music over this type of footage I'd rather hear the jets then some type of disco beat....
Joseph McDermott I'm not sure where you are getting your info on the F35A, but your cost per aircraft is way off!! The current cost for the A version is 94 Million not 236 Million. Where did you get a figure like that??? Also I could not find any information on Norway buying F18 aircraft. You also mention F35 being beaten by F18 in dogfights. Please supply the site,video, etc., of any dogfight between these two planes (other than in Operation Red Flag) where the F18 has won a Dogfight?? Please supply info from a reliable source not some supposition or fake made up site.
Pro with 236m dollars they probably mean Australian dollars.
FALSE,
From www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acquisitions/F-35A-Lightning-II/?RAAF-ZRnYQhJUh1u0e44uR32olOT1rt+Ym4K3
"The first F-35 aircraft will arrive in Australia in 2018 and the first squadron, Number 3 Squadron, will be operational in 2021. All 72 aircraft are expected to be fully operational by 2023"
"The total capital cost of $12.4 billion for this acquisition includes the cost of associated facilities, weapons and training."
"Around $1.6 billion in new facilities and infrastructure will be constructed, including at RAAF Base Williamtown in New South Wales and RAAF Base Tindal in the Northern Territory."
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Australia is upgrading it's air bases together with F-35s. Some JSF countries wouldn't be bothered with airbase upgrades.
Minus the airbase upgrades, its $150 million AUD or $131 million USD for each F-35A which includes the cost of weapons and training. Australian Dollar is slightly weaker than US Dollar.
Minus $1.6 billion AUD base upgrades ,
$150 million AUD = *$114 million* USD per unit (18/03/2015)
F-35A's R&D cost will be soaked up the US tax payer (larger economic strength)
Randy Sell, What are you talking about?
Aussie Super Hornets destroyed Alaska aggressors F-16s
nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2015/11/20/a-fly-f-35-erfaringer-fra-den-forste-uka/
More F-16 vs F-35 from Norwegian pilot.
I quote
_Overall, flying the F-35 reminds me a bit of flying the F/A-18 Hornet, but with an important difference: It has been fitted with a turbo_
Original source (non-English)
suomenkuvalehti.fi/jutut/kotimaa/suomella-vahvat-ilmavoimat-mutta-kuinka-kauan/
Frisian Flag 2012 exercises in Holland, Finnish F-18Cs gets 100 kills and 6 loses against Eurofighter (Germany, UK), Polish new F-16 and older F-16 planes (Norway, Belgium) and Gripen (Swedish)
www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=26173
To The FUTURE
Jan/Feb 2018 ANDREW MCLAUGHLIN; Aust Aviation Magazine
"...To the future
A former classic Hornet pilot, WGCDR Clare provides an interesting comparison between the old and new aircraft.
“The F-35 actually flies very, very similarly to the Hornet, both classic and Super,” he related. “In fact, it’s probably more like the Super in the way it feels. The alpha (angle of attack performance) and the power is similar to a Super Hornet, although it’s got a little bit more power down low.
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ruclips.net/video/Bu8G5ABHKc8/видео.html
Around 1 :09:51, RAAF commander mentioned how the Super Hornets had a positive kill ratio in excess of 20 to 1 against the Alaska aggressors F-16 in an exercise in Australia more than a year ago.
Level 3 partners are Turkey, US$195 million; Canada US$160 million; Australia, US$144 million; Norway, US$122 million and Denmark, US$110 million which is 201 mil aud give or take a few bucks. Info From Wikipedia
The US Navy is retiring a few aircraft carriers. I think we should gift Australia one or two of them. Just to give China something to worry about!
3:11 🤌
Is it true they are a lemon or have they fixed it? I really hope they are good we need them and are spending so much money. Please if anyone actually knows what there talking about can you let me know. Thank you.
Russell Coight
since the last update all the knockers pretty much shut up and ran away.
the software now allows it to pull 9G+ with a full internal weapons load (I believe). it accelerates far better than anyone realised and is far more agile than the early software allowed (prior software for example only allowed ~7G).
its radar and avionics are outstanding etc.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's pretty damn good - especially if you're in an aircraft lacking the sensor and radar tech that the f-35 has.
in that case you're just dead.
search for the 2018 RIAT F-35 display and you'll see what I mean about it's agility.
and that isn't the end of it.
it is still computer limited until they finish research and testing etc - the airframe is technically capable of pulling enough G forces to rip itself apart, so there is still room for more turning performance etc in future upgrades perhaps.
Thats good to know mate I was worried about this plane. Going from 7G to 9 is a massive improvement I really hope our air force keeps on upgrading the ones we have for a long time. Thanks for the reply mate.
I just looked up RIAT 2018 and I am certainly impressed! Cant wait for our other 80 planes to show up and hope to see them in darwin :)
Russell Coight
it can certainly turn now. no wonder a lot of people have shut up about it now.
Bloody oath lol
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Bababoeey
On Pakistan 6.00 like fir
Please I sent a message early today I needed to know what happened to my fiancée we were planning to get married he’s an engineer in RAAF just help me if u can I lost contact with him since more than 2 months whatever your answer would be I’m ready for that whether he’s busy or sick please I’m very worried
F-35B hubiera sido mas apropiado para dar utilidad a los portaaviones.
We don't have carriers Andre
Fortaleciendo la estructura y pista de aterrizaje de los buques Canberra y Adelaide, podrían operar F-35B
Although the Canberra class can be easily retrofitted too accomodate the 35-B`s, they already have the jump ramps!
Juan Carlos I con los F-35B sobre la cubierta de vuelo:
www.infodefensa.com/es/2018/01/31/noticia-armada-espanola-dibuja-carlos-cubierta.html
You need to explain to the public that this fighter jet ain't stealth..
It's never been stealth and it never will be stealth.. Because I'm sick of having conversations with people that assume it's stealth..
Stealth is being able to get from point A to point B without being seen or heard!! This fighter jet can't do that..
Stop telling the Australian public it's stealth because it makes people look stupid!!
Why does everyone think these planes are awesome. It’s all marketing and publicity hype. Then you hear an Airforce officer telling you how great they are. Geez imagine his career if he said it was crap. It’s an ok plane based on Stealth which is fast becoming obsolete. The thing is great at anything. Let’s hear the truth about maintenance and availability rates, especial flight hours compared to maintenance hours. Thank god we have the hornets
it's a fucking lemon
Look at the signaller, not in the proper uniform. No respect to the plane. Have a look at the f35 in the US, a guard on a proper uniform giving signals to f35. Tsk tsk, now you know aussies cant stand alone without americas help.
Tosser, that was an AMERICAN employee of L/Martin.....Aussie groundcrew are as good as any US.
dude. this IS in the U.S . its leaving the factory. read the title. the signaller is american
Lockheed employees are not military and no need to wear uniform, some international bound F35 pilots are trained in Luke Air Force base.
I wonder how long the RAAF channel will allow this comment to stay up: The F-35A is a grossly overpriced and overhyped, fragile, poorly performing aircraft that cannot supercruise, with a tiny payload and major structural flaws such as trans-sonic buffeting and overheating elevator edges. Its showcase capability, namely the detection, identification and engagement of targets far beyond visual range is dubious. It will operate on visual engagement rules, because its systems are prone to false positives and duplicates. Its real price is way more than the quoted one. It relies on mission data that takes hours to load and can only be produced in the US - which means that the US has an effective veto over any mission. Even if the US approves, the undersea cables that are the only secure method of passing the data will come under immediate enemy attack in the event of a real war. Its availability rate remains at 50% overall, which is of course completely unacceptable. Eighteen years after it first flew, twelve years after going into full production, it is still not rated combat-ready by the USAF, with a list of over 150 potentially deadly problems. We take this dodo on at our peril.
Bullshit.
Year 2013's transonic buffeting is not major issue for F-35A Block 3F.
Year 2013's overheating elevator edges are been fixed for F-35A Block 3F.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition
In November 2014 it was reported French defence minister is set to visit India amid deadlock in project for 126 Rafale fighters for meeting with his counterpart
www.defenseworld.net/news/12445/Terms_Non_Negotiable_On_MMRCA_Rafale_Deal__Indian_MoD#.VQlni_iJjiI
The price shot up to $18 billion when Dassault won the contract as the lowest bidder in January 2012.
$18 billion / 126 unit = *$142.85 million*.
From www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acquisitions/F-35A-Lightning-II/?RAAF-ZRnYQhJUh1u0e44uR32olOT1rt+Ym4K3
"The first F-35 aircraft will arrive in Australia in 2018 and the first squadron, Number 3 Squadron, will be operational in 2021. All 72 aircraft are expected to be fully operational by 2023"
"The total capital cost of $12.4 billion for this acquisition includes the cost of associated facilities, weapons and training."
"Around $1.6 billion in new facilities and infrastructure will be constructed, including at RAAF Base Williamtown in New South Wales and RAAF Base Tindal in the Northern Territory."
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Australia is upgrading it's air bases together with F-35s. Some JSF countries wouldn't be bothered with airbase upgrades.
Minus the airbase upgrades, its $150 million AUD or $131 million USD for each F-35A which includes the cost of weapons and training. Australian Dollar is slightly weaker than US Dollar.
Minus $1.6 billion AUD base upgrades ,
$150 million AUD = *$114 million* USD per unit (18/03/2015)
F-35A's R&D cost will be soaked up the US tax payer (larger economic strength)
The trans-sonic buffeting was not fixed, the performance specs were downgraded. It now accelerates more slowly through the sound barrier. This is a bug, not a feature. The elevator leading edges were still a problem on fast low passes as of 2017, and there is no sign of a fix. The air bases would not need "upgrades" on this scale - mainly, building the clean covered maintenance facilities this prima donna must have - if we hadn't bought it. Your projected dates for operational readiness are a wish and a hope in a program that has never met a deadline yet. The same goes for its cost. The cost estimates given to the 2016 Senate enquiry were $A90 million per aircraft, which everybody knew was a lie. Now you say $A150 million each. I'll believe it when I see it, and at that it's too damn expensive for what it can actually do.
The rest of what I said stands unchallenged. It's a maintenance hog with an availability rate of around 50%, according to the latest DOT&E report. It still has a list of over 150 potentially disastrous flaws. It requires hours of downloads before and after every mission, and it can't be scrambled. Its weapons load only allows one strike per mission, or drop stealth. And one bogey, after which it has to run. If it opens its weapons bay, it drops stealth anyway. The data it must have to fly any mission can only be coded in the US - IF the US approves - and sent by undersea cable.
It'll never be used in anger, most likely. That's the only comfort in this sorry saga. It'll only be a complete waste of money. Better that than lives. All the same, it's my money.
puffin51, That's FALSE with trans-sonic buffeting argument since you misapplied F-35C's trans-sonic problem for F-35A.
The downgraded specs was with Block 2A era with 4.5G for F-35A in 2012.
The leaked year 2015 F-35A AF-02 vs F-16D incident has resulted this F-35A AF-02 unit reaching 6.5G turn! This is before F-35 Block 2B/3I's 7G
This is for F-35A Block 3F
www.luke.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1386133/lukes-newest-amu-supports-f-35-program/
_The unit is the first Luke F-35 AMU to receive a 3F, or full-up, combat aircraft capable of _*_pulling 9G’s_*_ in the air_
Please re-post 2017 DOD report from US gov link. I already have the web link.
"The elevator leading edges were still a problem on fast low passes as of 2017" is false. Quote it. Hint: it has nothing to do with "elevator leading edges".
F-35 has all moving horizontal stabilizer.
Under DOD YF17's "F-35A Flight Science", there's no mention on "Excessive heating on the horizontal tail surfaces" like F-35B's problem.
It's only under "F-35B Flight Sciences" has "Excessive heating on the horizontal tail surfaces"
DOD FY17 talks about 9G F-35A Block 3F which is distant from 2012's F-35A 4.5G.
F-35B and F-35C lagging behind F-35A Block 3F status.
DOD FY17 expects F-35A Block 3F software to be installed on Lot 9 late 2017, hence DOD FY17 is missing a few months from year 2017.
I'll take you on.
Try again.
My notifications tells me that Rnl Valen has responded, but I do not see his post here, and I assume there's been some sort of YT stuff-up. From his first few lines, he denies that there has been a trans sonic buffeting problem in the F-35A - only in the C. I think he's wrong about that, and all versions of the aircraft had to have their performance downgraded - but that's relatively minor. What about its availability rates? What about its download/upload times? What about its small payloads consistent with stealth? Because one thing's for sure: if it's caught on the ground being serviced or downloading, its questionable performance in the air won't matter in the slightest.
puffin51
You're mistaking actual cost for flyaway cost. The F-35A costs less than 90 million a piece, but it'll cost more if you consider all of the attached infrastructure and additional costs. Basically no one just buys aircraft without tools, weapons, simulators and so on. You can look at any aircraft and make the same claim about it being too expensive if you add all of the costs, but that's just dumb. If you compare the F-35A to other aircraft, using comparable numbers, it's simply a much better bargain.
Availability rates were low because early production aircraft were accounted for in the numbers. Those had extremely low availability rates, while newer ones (talking about last year's numbers) were above 90%. Yet again, you're looking at numbers without really understanding what they mean.
The F-35 can very well be scrambled. Again, it's a continuous improvement process and you can't just make assumptions from early production models or practices.
Here you're making a really idiotic comparison. The F-35 can either carry a rather small weapons load for stealth missions, which no alternative can do in the first place, or abandon some of the stealth to do a full load mission. In the second case, it's still stealthier than any alternative aircraft, which means it still holds an advantage. So basically you're claiming the F-35 isn't good because it's limited in doing something that other aircraft can't even do in the first place.
Weapons bays aren't open for long, they're open for a few seconds then go back to normal.
You're really digging for issues to the point where most of them are just utterly wrong and based on misunderstandings. This is why you don't listen to idiots like Pierre Sprey and Carlo Kopp.
Wat a waste of money
The RAAF Waste money on the F-35 While the Navy Waste money on a stupid diesel submarine. "New tech" when you place orders for the F-35 16 years from when you get the first 2, while other countries are building better aircraft just shows how far behind we as a nation are in our military equipment. If you are going to spend $125 mil a pop you could have spent an extra $25 mil and got a decent aircraft such as the F-22 Raptor.
Money is not being wasted. F-35A is the real deal. Production cost down to 78 million USD. They are the best multi-role fighter on the planet. Australia will be thrilled with them.
@@calcrappie8507 Nah it's Australia the money has 100% been wasted just like they have on those new shitty submarines
@@deepposeidon289 The sub deal is crazy stupid. Should be canned immediately. These F-35A's with new LRASM (long range anti-ship missiles) will provide a good defense against any CCP fleet adventures near Australia.
The F22 is not for sale, even for close US allies. It’s production was also shut down years ago due to very high costs.
@@deepposeidon289 lmao L we're getting nuclear submarines now. Stop stressing holy shit
Rafale français trop évolué pour les petits pilote Australien 😂😂😂😂
French air force = number one
Usaf, Raf, Raaf =💩💩💩
Rafale mirage kill f15 f16 f18 f22 f35
Vive l'alliance France Russie Chine Iran
Horrible waste of money.
What a waste of money. The climate is a much greater threat to Australia than any foreign power. But, of course, the air force must get new toys at times. Trump&co are surely happy, though.
Yes defence is very expensive in both dollars and blood. You are enjoying security now that was bought by others. The biggest problem with modern defence systems is that they have 10 to 20 year leadtimes, so if you wait for a threat before you decide to do something about defending yourself it is already too late. So maybe you should stick to climate change and let the defence experts work on keeping you safe.