I believe the Super Saiyan God Multiplier is around x5,000 of a Saiyan's base form. In DB Legends' story mode, Shallot with SS2 easily fought Hyper Meta Rilldo, while GT Goku use SS2 briefly to defeat Rilldo, soon after Shallot gotten stronger and Shallot use Super Saiyan God to fight Nuova Shenron, while GT Goku used Super Saiyan 4 to fight Nuova Shenron, and the two Saiyans were shown to have a tough battle against Nuova. Also, when SSG Shallot fought Buuhan, who used Dark Ki 3rd stage which is said to multiplier his power by several fold or maybe ten fold, while Buuhan was stronger than SS3 Shallot. This is why I believe SSG multiplier is around x5,000.
@@supersaiyangodshallot8742I don’t think so because ssj 3 didn’t do anything to beerus and goku even said even if he fused with vegeta it wouldn’t be enough. Ssg is stronger than ssj3 and vegito pre beerus . Ssj4 is a fraction of the ssg power because vegtio is probably near ssj4
@@boomboombaby9140Last time I check, the Battle of Gods movie, Beerus said he only used 70% of his full power against Super Saiyan God Goku, but after attaining Super Saiyan Blue, Goku wasn't confident of defeating Beerus. They decided to make Beerus stronger that only MUI Goku can match Beerus. Also, if Super Saiyan God and God transformations afterwards were so strong, how come fighters like Frieza, Gohan, and Android 17 were able to match Goku's blue form in the DBS anime series? Frieza's final form is that of Super Saiyan Goku, but Frieza's golden form which is I believe Potential Unleash. Gohan doesn't train as hard as Goku, and his hidden potential shouldn't be able to match SSB. Android 17 was much weaker than Cell Games Super Saiyan Goku, but somehow became almost strong as SSB Goku.
I believe it’s atleast a million cause of how drastic of a power increase it is as it’s so strong that it could actually fight a far more powered up beerus for a while unlike ssj3 battling a far more supressed beerus who just flicked him around
2:47 - Note that Goku is only considering Vegito. This was prior to nerfing Vegito in Super (The jump from SSJ3 Goku/SSJ2 Vegeta all the way to above Buuhan is an insane multiplier.) Elder Kai outright tells him that Potara is a stronger fusion than the dance. When considering the multiplier, the minimum should be based off Potara.
I think Metamoran Fusion is (A+B at equal power, so its essencially A or B x2 mattering on whose the weaker one)x10~x99 While Potara fusion is (Full Power A x Full Power B)x10~x99 + Rival or Familial Boost... So if we were to low ball these equations, they would be something like: Metamoran: [2 + (4 - 2)] x 10 = [2 + 2] x 10 = 4 x 10 = 40 Potara [(2 x 4) x 10] + 1 = [8 x 10] + 1 = 80 + 1 = 81 And if my math is mathing then Potara is not only just stronger. But then and some mattering on the fusee's.
The multiplier is (every episode that Launch wasn't in, because akira toriyama forgot about her) Realistically it shouldn't be a multiplier, it is condensing and changing his ki into god ki. Less than a "multiplier" and more of a alternate foundation of his power. SSB is a multiplier. His god state is basically his new "base" but he takes the form to funnel all of his ki into a new state. Think Solid, liquid, gas, plasma. Solid, no ki, base life form Liquid, Life force or pre ki. Gas, realized ki. Plasma, God ki. They are all the same thing but in a different state.
I personally don’t agree, as God Gokou has a limit to his power, and multiplying is like a scale to see how much God Gokou’s is stronger compare to his Mortal self. So let’s say… Gokou is 2, and God Gokou is stronger than his strongest form, S.S-J.3, but how much stronger, let’s say, x1E11. Plus, in a guide (I forgot) Kaioshin is said to be equal to S.S-J.Grade.4.Gokou when he fought Cell. So Kaioshin has a limit to his power, and is weaker than Gokou in the Boo Saga since Vegeta beat Pui Pui in Base, and Kaioshin feared Pui Pui, and Gokou is stronger than Vegeta. That’s what I believe.
I never looked at like that, but this is definitely a great way to explain the red headed god form. You always give me a new perspective on the series.😁
@@BeanBoiYami Also if it is just a gateway to this, that takes a lot into perspective like the fact that this means a tiny bit of god ki is either thousands or millions of times stronger than the same amount of normal ki, I think it makes sense to just be an opening gate
Yeah according to my calculations a single unit of God ki is equal to a million units of normal/mortal ki at least when it comes to potency so namek goku ssj = 3 to 150 God ki'freiza=120 units of God ki at the time
I believe the Super Saiyan God Multiplier is around x5,000 of a Saiyan's base form. In DB Legends' story mode, Shallot with SS2 easily fought Hyper Meta Rilldo, while GT Goku use SS2 briefly to defeat Rilldo, soon after Shallot gotten stronger and Shallot use Super Saiyan God to fight Nuova Shenron, while GT Goku used Super Saiyan 4 to fight Nuova Shenron, and the two Saiyans were shown to have a tough battle against Nuova. Also, when SSG Shallot fought Buuhan, who used Dark Ki 3rd stage which is said to multiplier his power by several fold, while Buuhan was stronger than SS3 Shallot. This is why I believe SSG multiplier is around x5,000.
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6Shallot is a perfect example of the next Saiyan main character of Dragon Ball. Shallot doesn't have Super Saiyan at the beginning of the story, but will eventually and becoming much stronger as the story progresses. Shallot likes to fight, has Saiyan pride like Vegeta, and a righteous heart like Goku. And Shallot's rival is Giblet, Shallot's twin brother, but during the brainwashing, he was trying to kill Shallot, then Shallot freed Giblet from the brainwashing. Also, it maybe non-Canon, but the story is very interesting since we some of the movie villains, Cabba having more screen time, and it explains a little about the Saiyans' history about the battle between the good Saiyans against the evil Saiyans. Shallot is much better next main character than Gohan.
congratz your actually closer than this moron, if you read the DBS Manga SSJB is between 2x to 5x stronger than SSJG and we know that SSJB is just SSJ while as a SSJG so the efficiency of SSJ has drop by at least 10x because they are using God Ki and not normal Ki, in the manga is directly stated by Whis using numbers, Vegeta lost easily to hit while using 9-10% of his SSJB power while SSJG Goku was folding Hit to the point his Time Skip was useless until he powered up. Goku Black in Base form = SSj2 Trunks, SSj2 Vegeta Goku Black in SSj2 Form = SSJB Vegeta Base Goku Black = 100, SSj2 Goku Black = 10,000 SSj2 Vegeta = 100, SSJB Vegeta = 10,000
I’m gonna make an assumption and say this since we don’t know the fusion multiplier.Goku wasn’t confident in vegito or gogeta being able to defeat beerus,but he was more confident in ssg. Assuming the fusion multiplier is like this 20(a+b) where a is vegeta and b is goku.Vegeta is 1/4 ssj3 goku in ssj2 so the multiplier would be 20(a+ 1/4a) which would be 25 ssj3 gokus also the fusion rival multiplier we can assume is 2x so 50 ssj3 gokus is 1 base vegito. 50 ssj3 gokus would be 50x ssj3 multiplier so base vegito in battle of gods could be 20,000x the base forms of goku+vegeta.Now if goku knew vegito could go ssj3 ssj vegito would be 1,000,000x goku and vegeta and ssj3 8,000,000x base goku and vegeta.By this SSG is above 8,000,000x base form
I like to think that super saiyan multipliers were only to their first appearence, with them being more of a potential unlock + somewhat of a power boost, as the user grows stronger, he unlocks more of his potential and the forms only remain with the power boost, but this boost is nowhere close to a 50x for ssj in anything beyond BoG. And God forms having a different hidden potential unlock alongside the massive power boosts, this new potential could justify why Goku and Vegeta grow massively stronger with each arc of Super Mainly its my headcanon to justify the broken power scaling ever since Buu saga, and the fact that there is no actual way SSB is a 50x multi to SSG
The writers are responsible for this impossibility to scale things like this. Often times, it feels like the characters don't even understand the power they're looking at, which moreso results from the writers not realizing what they created. Great example: SSJ isn't even a 50x multiplier for Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, or future Trunks after the time chamber, at least not immediately. They chose to stick to the standard that was already known right after this arc, which disregards any of the concrete scaling that existed in the Android/Cell saga. This all can snowball later down the line into messing up every calculation that involves those forms, because it is now a form of retcon regardless of intention. Something that people often forget is that the story can end up being delivered in a way that the writer didn't intend. Leaving it too vague isn't the only problem. Whether intentional or not, they have been inconsistent since before Super (albeit, not nearly as much bc it's easier to conceptualize things at lower levels of power). Toriyama's writing style being spontaneous on top of his questionable memory makes it worse, and I'm not saying that to shit on him. It seriously is part of the situation. Without a memory that's far beyond average, it is incredibly difficult to keep continuity when your own reference points are just as vague. Combine that with time constraints, and there you go.
SSJ has always been x50. Toriyama did want it to be smaller, but he realized that there would be no way for Goku to defeat Frieza if it was any less than x50. As for Vegeta and Trunks' versions. Those are diverging paths of SSJ. What Goku and Gohan had is the perfected normal SSJ. Which is still x50.
Yeah as the series continues it only seems as if the continuity errors and plot holes are getting worse. I do think there are time where they try to “fix/explain” old plot holes, but a lot of the time it makes it worse. The thing about Super that made it so much more inconsistent was the two different canons due to the way they interpreted Akira Toriyama’s words
Now, if we think about it, 4,000,000 makes quite a lot of sense. Now, if we bring Kaioken (Highest canon multiplier of 20 times) into the mix, it could be a multiplier of roughly 80,000,000. It may be more, considering that we know that SSJ 3 Vegito (With Kaioken x 20) wouldn't be enough.
If this were to be true it would place the legendary super saiyan kale variant as being way more op than we originally thought. For base kefla to dominate ssg goku in the anime kale’s lssj form must have been 400,000-800,000x stronger than base level
I believe it’s 20,000, which is 50x stronger than SSJ3’s multiplier of 400. This would also make SSB’s multiplier 1,000,000, which just feels poetically correct.
Poethically correct, tho it should be far higher tbh bc base fusion gives more than ssj 3, so it is more than 400x, and even if we assume that Vegito can't go ssj 3, because Vegeta can't still it would make ssjg at very least 40000x boost, and it is a massive lowball.
So with Super Saiyan God being 20 million and the fusions being 4 million would be five times or 8 million would be 2.5 times weaker than the Super Saiyan God
I’ve been meaning to get to it. I have the script written I just never recorded it. It’ll probably come out next or after what if a cell jr survived part 4. Sorry about the hiatus.
The multiplier for legendary super Saiyan >>> ssj3. Then she mastered that form and the form then gets an even greater multiplier. That's why kefla is so strong. If it was two normal ssj fusing then it wouldn't have mattered
Yeah because ssj3 didn’t do anything to beerus and goku said even if he fused with vegeta it wouldn’t be enough. Ssg fought beerus who released 60% more power that yanked ssj3 and vegetio pre beerus
Yes Battle of God SSG Goku does demolish the SSJ3 fusion he was referring to. Obviously the fusion wouldn’t have any god Ki. Since when he refers to it he did have god Ki yet. As for base Kefla the thing about the universe 6 saiyans is that they’re a lot stronger than our heroes compared to Z. I’ve seen people say that Teen SSJ2 Gohan from the Cell saga can beat SSJ Cabba. When this isn’t true at all since Base Vegeta from super can easily defeat SSJ3 Gotenks as shown in the Potafu arc and Cabba was able to at least keep up with him to some extent. Showing us that U6 saiyans are really strong. Also if I’m not mistaken Goku was also fatigued
@@BeanBoiYami tho the potafu arc is a sorta of filler and wasn’t stated in the manga, so technically it isn’t true cuz it ain’t canon, and also I’m not sure who would win a fight between cabba ssj1 and gohan cell saga ssj2
Using the numbers also put a bit of logic into how strong Broly was getting in Super Broly. We saw that he was getting more and more powerful than rven a super saiyan in just his base form, as he kept getting strong DURING the fight. But as soon as Vegeta went God, you can infer that Broly got a zenkai boost as Vegeta tried to kill him; that was a near death experience for Broly while turning into the great ape power form. The numbers multiply extremely quickly. The great ape power is supposed to be a x10 multiplier, and then Broly went ahead turned into a super saiyan, making it a x500 instead of just x50. Pretty crazy.
Also you actually forgot that Vegeta actually surpass Goku in its Super Saiyan 3 form when he got angry in his Super Saiyan 2 form when beerus slapped Bulma and and Goku did not know that Vegeta could have stronger than himself when he did this theory about not being strong enough.
That’s the thing that makes Vegeta’s feat so impressive. The super saiyan 2 multiplier is stated to be a 2 times increase from Super saiyan. Meaning that in order for Vegeta to become stronger than Goku it was his base power that massively increased. Not the multiplier of ssj2. Meaning that at that moment base Vegeta would absolutely demolish base Goku, possibly even ssj goku
I think that was because Vegeta caught Beerus off guard, just imagine how much Beerus, someone not even surpassed by Black Frieza had to be contained in order to slap someone like Bulma and not obliterate her, Vegeta was able to slap Beerus because he was contained, as soon as Beerus regained his senses he humillated Vegeta
Didnt elder kai state that fusing in their ssj states would shorten their lifespan? That implies fusion is using the max of their base forms and not their top forms
@@BeanBoiYamigrade 4 can be used while sleeping. So to me it wasn't about power strain but the mere fact he would be using more power in general. I could see it either way though
everything made sense till you threw out the window that the fusion (one of them) must have the users at equal level meaning gokus would be restricted by vegetas own max
@@JoesMama-ci3yl He doesn't need to account for Gogeta because Vegito is stronger. It's stated in the anime that Potara is stronger than the Fusion Dance. So there's no reason to do the math for a lesser fusion that isn't as strong as the Potara. Unless you want to argue that he was talking about the Fusion Dance in BoG because he didn't have easy access to any Potara earrings at the time.
Fusion does not take the 2 in the powered state they are in. It multiplies one by the other. Goku times Vegeta. Not goku x400 times Vegeta x100. It takes their base form and fuses that. The form that the fusion takes is different. The fused form can get the x50, 100, or 400 multiplier.
I’ve heard about the fusion techniques multiplying the fusees, but I always had a hard time believing it. Primarily due to how the characters explain it. I mean it would make sense as to why the fusion’s bases are typically as strong as they are.
The Fusion dance and the potara Fusion what's the originally stated to increase the power by first combining their Bass powers together and then multiplying that by 500 and the base power will pretty much equal so that pretty much made it where individually the fusion forms what's 1000 times stronger than the individual based forms then you times that by 400 with their Super Saiyan 3 transformation however apparently the Transformations also allow them to tap into a stronger form what's in this case would basically be the Wrathful form on top of that making it 10 times stronger so the final multipliers should be 4 million to 8 million if you add the two Super Saiyan 3 forms together making it instead of 4000 it is 8000 Times by a thousand.
Goku says a hypothetical fp ss3 vegito would lose to goku. Fp ss3 is a different state from ss3. Its the same form but a stronger variant. Basically like the super saiyan grades. The super saiyan grades are super saiyan but stronger variation. We dont know the exact multplier of this "fp ss3" so lets ignore it. Another thing we have to ignore is the unqualifiable rival boost that vegito got because he was the fusion of goku and vegeta. Elder kai said its not that vegito is strong, but more so because of goku and vegeta rivalry that gave him such ridiculous powers. This is even proven in a guide that specifies the rival boost. Next thing its the super saiyan form, specifically grade 4. Ss grade 3 is stated by el manga legendario to be 10x stronger than super saiyan grade 1(the form everyone used before super vegeta) but kills its speed. So basically el manga legendario is saying Strength : 1 x grade 3 ss = 500 Durability : 1 x grade 3 ss = 500 Speed : 1 x grade 3 ss = 40(literally called the slowest ss grade. Making it slower than grade 1) Reaction speed : 1 x ss grade 3 = 500 Perception : 1 x ss grade 3 = 500 Super saiyan grade 4 is consistently stated to be the strongest ss with 0 draw backs. Essentially giving u a perfect 500 stats across the board(at the bare minimum). Ss2 or ss grade 5 is then x2 ss grade 4 =1k x base Ss3 is then 4x grade 5 or ss2 = 4k x base This is yap i just did is thrown out of the water because the fusion multiplier is a(maximum strength) x b(maximum strength) = c Meaning lets say im A and i have a pl of 5 million at maximum strength x you with also 5 million at maximum strength. This would make our potara fusion base be 25 trillion. So Essentially what im trying to say is, the super saiyan god multiplier can only be known if u manage to figure out goku and vegeta maximum power and multiply that together.
Low balled We will assume goku and vegeta are 1. We are also using ss grade 4 accurate multiplier 1k(ss2) x 4k(ss3) = 4 million aka vegito base Multiply that by 4k(ss3) = 16 billion The failed ssg ritual is stronger than a hypothetical ss3 vegito. This is shown when goku was confident he could fight beerus but immediately shut down the potara fusion. We know in dragon ball that a 2x difference will make u dominate the opponent so I will do just that(this is a low ball btw) Failed ssg ritual = 32 billion Give the 2x again to the ssg form Ssg form = 64 billion We literally see goku and the form growing stronger. Goku himself stating he was only using fractions of the ssg strength. It wouldn't be insane to say when goku first went god, he was using only 1% of its entire strength but let's be generous and say it was already at 10% So a fp ssg low ball multiplier would be at 640 billion x base. If you don't agree with El manga legendario ss grade 3 multiplier, just divide 640 billion by 100. This is the multiplier if we don't use the rival boost, fp ss3, an accurate version of the failed ssg ritual multiplier and the ssg itself
You just said (100 + 400 x 10)400. Uhhhh.... You can't have an SS3 fuse with a SS2, and then have that fusion go SS3 again. That doesn't make any sense. The Equation is just (A + B x 10)400 Which for everyone's sake let's just say they're both 1. (1 + 1 x 10)400 is 8,000. Not freaking 2 million. I get it "big number more fun". But you can't have two different levels of Super Saiyan fuse and then go super Saiyan again. Goku literally explains that to Trunks and Goten. It's why everyone always fuses at base. Also Vados says "tens of times" not just 10. So it could be anywhere from 20 to ~110-190 times. So Potara SS3 is a minimum of 16,000, and a maximum of ~150,000, with an average of around ~84,000 times the average between their base forms. Most people just say SSG is a 100,000 times multiplayer because it's a nice round number that makes the math the easiest. Which would then make SSB 5,000,000 times base, and SSBKK 100,000,000 times base. Yay, easy math. Hope this helps, sorry for being a nerd.
Super Saiyan 4 ×4,000 Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×20,000 Ultra Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×400,000 Saiyan God ×20,000 Super Saiyan God ×1,000,000 The god form has a base amp of an unknown multiplier so I say it's a 20,000 x multiplier
Well honestly I'd say its roughly a x120 boosts to your SSJ form since thats the form Goku was in when he wet God. Now I'm using smaller numbers purposely to make the math easier. So lets Say Beerus 100% = 100,000 Base Goku 10 Base Vegeta 9 SSJ3 Goku 4000 (10x50x2x4) SSJ 2 Rage 5000 Beerus 10%=10,000 enough to overwhelm Vegeta and Beerus states in anime he went about 10% SSJ2 Vegito 19,000 (10+9 x10 x 50 x 2) Potatra formula has some variants but the A+B x 10 formula seems the most logical SSG Goku 48,000 (stated he was going about 80%) SSJ Goku+God absorbed (40,000) Beerus states Goku's power didn't decrease much but was still decreased Beerus 70%= 70,000 Whis states Beerus used 70% against Goku Again I lowered the base numbers since we were only trying to find the multiplier
I believe it’s a 2 million times amp. But for those haters, it’s at the very least, a 160 thousand time amp. Goku was more confident in God than in SS3 Vegito. Base Vegito> SS3 Goku. Base Vegito X 400= 400 squared. So the bare minimum is 400 times 400, which comes out to 160 thousand.
Just throwing it out there, I believe super saiyan god is not at all a multiplier, but a new type of ki that has been applied upon base form. I also believe the super saiyan god transformation also brings an entire new power level, as seen with how at one point, super saiyan god goku was a 6, beerus was a 9 or 10 (I'm not sure) and whis was a 15; however, the new power levels would work differently, as goku is now millions of times stronger than what he was back in the battle of gods and is still far weaker than that of beerus. Just my theory tho, so correct me however you like.
I believe it's 6M because i think beerus was holding like 98% of his power or 99% because his power is increasing or inconsistent. So because you're logic is so correct i think it's 6M😅
This was a very good video, but your math fell apart at the very end. You added SS2 Vegeta and SS3 Goku together, and then put the SS3 multiplier on top of it again. Another thing, in the sub it’s “tens of times” for the fusion multiplier and in the dub it’s “dozens.” Not sure which translation is more accurate, however this statement implies greater than 10/12. I would argue that it sits at a base multiplier of around 20-24 and that additional multiplication comes from how complete the fusion is, or the compatibility of the “fusies.” Rival boost is a thing mentioned in regards to creating a more perfect fusion for Vegito. If we assume Vegeta and Goku are roughly the same strength then we can call fusion a minimum multiplier of x2+x20, or the equivalent of a x40 multiplier on base. Let’s add another 10 for rival boost and math simplification’s sake for a total x50 multiplier for fusion. Assuming SSG is stronger than fusion trying its hardest at SS3 (50x400 or x20,000) then SSG would have to be at least a 20k multiplier, and SSB, by extension 1m multiplier. The DB community seems to have landed more around 5k multiplier for SSG (for the sake of sanity), but I thought I’d share my take and show just how wild power scaling is in this show.
So would ssb kaioken Goku be 2 billion times stronger than when he fought beerus? If ssg is atleast 2 million times increase then 50 times increase for ssb which would be 100 million, then times 20 for kaioken and it would be 2 billion times stronger since battle of gods.
This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but Goku not even considering fusing with Gohan implies that Vegeta surpassed even Ultimate Gohan by such a margin that the Ultimate form would do nothing to cover the gap.
Yeah but his math is also bad because he does 100 + 400 times 10 then times 400 again. You can't have then be SS2 and SS3 before they fuse and then have that fusion go SS3 again. So it should just be (A + B x C)400. And tens can mean anything from 20 to 190 with an average of around 105. So you can lowball the Potara SS3 to low as 16,000 or wank it to as high as 152,000 (with an average of around 84,000). So I've always just said SSG is 100,000 times base cause it makes the math easier, lol.
Bare minimum 20000 if you low ball the hell out of it. Base vegito insanely low balled is 400 times 50 is 20000. Goku said that not even fusion would work against beerus so baseline 20000
Well ssj grade 3 ajd 4 are a 500x low balling and 625high balling if we use the fact thatssj grade 3is 10 times multiplier althoughtmkts not clear if its the multiplier of grade 1 or grade 2
Yeah I know for the most part that SSG should be stronger than what I concluded by the end of the video. I just gave what I thought would be the lowest possible calculation
This guestimation is also only for his first time using the form begore it absorbs into his base. Whats the multiplier for the form after that? When its used as a casual transformation? Are you telling me SSB is a 200 million time boost? SSBKKx20 is a 4 billion times boost? What the fuck is the multiplier for UI???
I believe it to be 240,000 since it was stated that vegito ssj3 would not be strong enough. I assumed vegito base to be equal to or greater than ssj3 goku since we don't have an accurate fusion multiplier. Thus assume 1 to be goku base form, 400 to be goku ssj3 aswell as vegito base form. Then 160,000 to be vegito ssj3 which is still not enough, so we have to go higher how much higher I can't say so to low ball it and not sugar coat it we can say 1.5x so super saiyan God would then be a 240,000 multiplier. Super saiyan blue is a bit confusing some say it's 50x ssg since it's super saiyan on top of ssg but I'm not sure I would say it's stronger than that.
at 2:00 mins i do not see this being a confirmed quote we must accept that God is superior than fusion. Just because fusion is not enough doesnt than mean God was enough. God was a wild card they used not knowing the form and its potential which is why they went for it. Ofc if goku from current was to give a statment about fighting beerus he would also say red or blue is not enough to beat beerus. Another reason why we should not just accept that as fact and rather as a theory is because the manga completely removes that quote of goku even mentioning fusion. Third, Dbs writers wrote the show as they went along, ofc during BOG movie era, red was supposed to be close to beerus full power but given the anime now we know that's bs. Finally his fight with kefla they were both SS2 level fighters with kale arguably being ss3 level. Keflas base form was beating Red goku, sure u can say he was tired or whatnot but then we can just say super saiyan kefla vs red goku then? Point being that fusion in this scenario shows that its power growth exceeds that of going red even more so when said fusion can go ss. So overall this does not discredit your video, ofc it was made quite well and makes complete since if we accept every mutiplyer as true you shown, Im just saying that SSG being Above fusion is not confirmed and has more evidence pointing against it vs for it for me to accept it.
you can figure it out if you read the manga and read the 6th vs 7th Universe arc and the Goku Black Arc, please for the love of god dont use Anime to make a point there is no logical scaling in the anime its just what ever Toei fells like 1. Tournament Arc, Whis directly states that Vegeta in SSJB could not utilize even 10% of SSJB power against Hit, so lets assume 9%, SSJG Goku was far stronger than Hit to a point the Time Skip was not working so the Multiplier for SSJB is 5x that of SSJG at best, so we can assume that SSJG = 20% of SSJB Power 2. Goku Black Chapter is even easier, we know that Trunks, Vegeta and Goku all have similar Base form Power level from their fight skirmish this was proven when Goku fought Trunks, Goku Black in Base = SSJ2 Vegeta/SSj2 Trunks, SSJ2 Goku Black = SSJB Vegeta. so with this SSJG multiplier is x2,000, while SSJB is x10,000, yes Goku Black SSJ varies due to adaptation of his goku body and Zamasu soul but its just for SSJ transformation Multipliers since Trunks could not make him transform due to being too weak he never adapted to SSJ multipliers until Vegeta beat him up, just use your brain when reading it its very easy to understand, lets use math bellow Base Goku Black = 100, SSJ2 Goku Black = 10,000, its basic x100 for SSj2 and since Zamasu has adapted it means he gets the full SSJ multiplier SSj2 Vegeta = 100, SSJB Vegeta= 10,000 on par with SSj2 Zamasu/Black, divide by 5 = SSJG/2,000, if you want to use Anime then SSJG is around 2,800x Vegta in his ultimate SSj2 form which is on par with SSj3 can make Beerus use 10% of his power so just multiply that by 7 for SSJG since beerus supposely used 70% lol. meaning its x400 times 7 = 2,800x so one last time for those that dont know SSJ1 = x50 SSj2 = x100 SSj3 = x400 SSJG = x2000/Manga, x2800/Anime and Movie SSJB = x10,000/Manga, Anime is whatever Toei wants it to be for plot and with DBHeroes that keeps showing us that SSJ4 = SSJB now we understand why because it makes fck sense, if you assume the x4000 then x8000 for Full power it makes perfect sense why SSj4 is shown to be at the same level as SSJB with SSJ4 Limit break being on par with UI Sign
Ssj4 multiplier is 4,000 and vegeto is stated to be the same as ssj4 so a fusion gives 4,000x multiplier and multiply that by 400 is 1.6 million but goku was more confident with an incomplete ssjgod ritual so to be that confident to an incomplete ssjgod then its 10x stronger then ssj3 vegeto and a full ssjgod will give 2x so it means 64 million time multiplier
Math is a little off because the scan compares ssj vegeto from buu ark to ssj4. Also ssj4 multiplier was never stated and you'll have to take in consideration that gt Goku's base is at least 400x stronger than in the buu ark. So even if the multiplier is the same for both potara and ssj4, ssj4 Goku would still be way stronger than ssj vegeto in buu ark.
@@viciousbattousai4109 ssj3 goku couldn't do anything to baby vegeta but golden great ape goku gave super baby vegeta 2 a run for his money so the golden great ape and ssj4 are 10x ssj3 because if ut was 10x ssj and ssj2 it wont make that much of a difference espicially 10 x ssj because its only 500x unlike something like 10 x 100 is 1000 and 10 x 400 is 4,000
I've tried to do the math, and it just made my head hurt. I've simply put it at 20,000 times and then scale off that. A more interesting question to me would be what the multiplier is for a non-Saiyan that unlocks a god form. Nothing says it can't be done, and I've long wondered what that would be, but there's nothing available for that specifically.
I think the only other “God form” that we’ve seen in the series is G.o.D Toppo. Which is technically using God Ki, but it would be interesting to see if a form could be used out of God Ki outside of saiyans. However I don’t think Humans could make a form out of God Ki. Saiyans just seem to have the weird ability to transform into things.
@@BeanBoiYami I agree with you on the Saiyans transforming part. It could be argued that God Ki, because of its nature, would require a transformation for mortals of any species to use its full power. Toppo is evidence for that theory, and if you count Kami as the lowest god on the totem pole, then Piccolo's Orange form could be used as evidence as well.
Vegito being the most obsurdly busted canon power increase of all time being weaker then a super saiyan god means the power increase is probably somewhere around a bajillion. Case closed
Im pretty surewasnt it confirmed a while ago the fsuion is for example in this case, goku x vegeta, no forms included, i thought it was but maybe im wrong, in my opinion this would also make things harder but also makes moee sense to me
i mean in certain aspects power levels are bs but in most aspects power levels make sense[up until super but even in super there is some decent power scalings] goku vs frieza[good powerscaling] gohan vs cell[good powerscaling] buu saga[odd powerscaling] Goku vs beerus[good-odd power scaling] Goku vs frieza rematch[good powerscaling] Universe 6 tournament[fine powerscaling] Goku black arc[bad powerscaling] T.O.P[odd powerscaling] Broly[Good powerscaling] Moro arc[Good powerscaling] Granolah[Good powerscaling] Superhero[We didnt get a whole lot so: odd powerscaling] Goku vs Gohan[Gohan won so it was good powerscaling]
I'm thinking other way around did you see it Ssj blue is 50 times of God form right And guess what else is 50 times right ssj Here they clearly say ssj blue is 50 times of God form, we don't know ssj God is powerful And God form cannot acess because it's a divine form entirely different from other three forms Even if we need a know actual pl God form is strong than fusion and their fusion can only access ssj2 because vegeta didn't acheive ssj it means their compain more than 150000000 *4 =
Power levels aren't bull****. This meme is now outdated, and factually untrue. It's just not used anymore because it spoils the story. Power levels are a thing of the past, but it was used in dragon ball and early dbz to scale someone's Power against their opponent. Also, the Formula for Fusion is stated in the Daizennshu, as The Power Level of A x The Power Level of B, A x B.
and you never mentioned that mastered super saying/grade 4 having a higher multiplier i know its a bit vague with being anywhere from 10 time grade 1 to just 2 times outside of that great video
some also argue grade 4 has the same multiplier it just dosetn deplete/leak your power over time so rather then being at 50% power after 1 minute(hypothetical) in the form you're still at 100 but grade 2 kinda of counter this whole idea since we know its noticeably stronger than grade 1 and its not like base vegeta, trunk are significantly weaker than goku and gohan its the form that was significantly stronger i could be wrong but like we know that like z fighters are around the base saying it the tranformation that propels them to the moon
plot holes it just doesn't make sense. we could I guess have a look at guides and statements their published release and validity and find some logic to all of this
Another miscalculation on my part. As for the Super Saiyan Grade they are indeed tricky for some due to like you siad the evidence that shows that they are stronger than the base Grade 1 SSJ. I for do agree with the concept of Grade 4 still having the same multiplier as Grade 1, but it's just far more controlled. I know there is evidence against this theory, but something about Goku saying that they'll just stick to regular old Super Saiyan when he's training with Gohan really makes it seem like they just got ridiculously strong just by focusing on the basics and training themselves up rather than focusing on finding new avenues of power, but it's really hard to say. Also I do believe that Gohan and Goku training together did contribute to their massive jumps in power unlike Vegeta and Trunks who for the most part trained alone.
SS4 doesn't have a stated multiplier anywhere in canon. His math is still way off. But you also don't know the actual multiplier for anything either because we're never told them. The only ones we have are SS1 through SS3. That's it.
Fusion: Given that the dance requires people to have the *same power level,* there should be different math per type.: Fusee A > Fusee B The power level of the fusion also depends on the compatibility of the users, as said by Elder Kai. Dance: B x (a number between 5 & 50) Potara: (A + B) x (a number between 10 & 100) God: Another youtuber used the feats of Buu Saga Vegito & BoG SSJ3 Goku to say it was over 10^28 times stronger than SSJ3 or 10^30 times base. ruclips.net/video/Ol1hjrJ2xdg/видео.html
This is power scaling with wonky math that isn't applicable to Dragon Ball laws of physics. If you think these are accurate, then Gohan would not have the power to suddenly blow up a solar system with just x2 increase. Same goes for Cell, which didn't even reach a SS2 Gohan level in his Super Perfect form.
Yeah Dbs is a cluster of nonsense, but I still love it. As for SSJ Goku beating Jiren. If I’m not mistaken didn’t he have help from 17 and Frieza in the anime and 17 and Vegeta in the manga?
@@BeanBoiYami i did't read the manga the only things i remember from it was muten roshi dodging jiren's punch , in anime goku was base forme when he was help by 17/freeza but the final hit was goku ssj+ basse freeza iirc
to be honest i belive that ssj god dosnt have that high multiplier and god ki itself is powerfull enough boost it anyone has acess to it and sayians are race that adapts by creating new transformation like we seen with ui taht even tought is tehuniqe goku uses it as transformation to or ulta ego with destruction energy to me ssj god is just drawing out even more power of god ki than most of mortal races are abel to
so basically it ranges from 4 million to 39.6 million because of what they said by "tens of times" (10x to 99x) and with SSB it ranges from 200 million to one billion nine hundred and eighty million
I think ritual Super Saiyan God and transformation Super Saiyan God are two different powers based on Goku's statement while fighting Beerus was that he hated that the power was not his own. I think the ritual Super Saiyan God is an outside force transforming Goku, so it may not even have a multiplier. I think the power of Super Saiyan God can be determined by the Broly Movie. Super Saiyan Blue > Broly Wrath State > Super Saiyan God Goku > Angry Base Broly > Super Saiyan Vegeta. Gogeta did not start going on the offence until he became a Super Saiyan, meaning he's over half of Broly Super Saiyan at that point, but also less than double. Broly = 1. Broly Wrath State = 10. Broly Super Saiyan = 50. Super Saiyan God = 1 < x < 10. Super Saiyan Blue = 10 < x < 25. Super Saiyan Gogeta 25 < x < 100. That means Super Saiyan God is at least a 25th of Super Saiyan Blue's strength. This is less than 50 times. This lines up with a statement in the manga. It's stated in the manga that Vegeta at less than 10% blue would be stronger as a Super Saiyan God, meaning that Super Saiyan Blue is probably less than 50 times Super Saiyan God. Super Saiyan God is at most 2.5 times weaker than Super Saiyan Gogeta. Super Saiyan Gogeta = (G+V) * 9 < x < 100 * 50 or 900 < x < 10000. Super Saiyan Blue = 1000 < x < 10000. Super Saiyan God = 400 < x < 4000.
It’s weird that everyone just assumes SSG is stronger than Fusion from that one statement from Goku considering that Goku had no idea how strong Beerus or Super Saiyan God was, he was making an assumption with very little information to work with. Especially as revealed in latter arcs that Fusion is actually stronger.
nonsense lol, imagine my surprise at the ridiculous number due to using Anime logic instead of something consistent and with logic like the manga. Anime has no multipliers for SSJ, go look up Goku vs Caulifla and Kale during the Tournament, Goku turn SSJ and only change color no power increase. lastly Anime has too many retcons and statements that make no fck sense who the hell believes Beerus used 10% of his power to face a goddamm SSJ2 Vegeta = Anime does who the hell believes Beerus used 70% of his power to fight SSJG Goku = Anime/movie Does who the hell believes that Jiren is stronger than a God of destruction when even Black Frieza has been confirm to be inferior to God of Destruction = Anime Logic Anime has so many retcons and dumb statement that its useless to use it for any power scaling, only good thing is use for is having fun watching it in the manga there is no such thing as Jiren being stronger than a God of Destruction nor Beerus using 10% against Vegeta nor none of that fck BS, Jiren was only confirm to posses better combat Skill than a God of destruction which is fine and dandy since even Goku has UI mastery something the other Gods dont evne have
What do you think the Super Saiyan God Multiplier is?
I don't think it is a multiplier, I know that blue is but not base god. Check my other comments.
If it was tho then I'd say 1k.
I believe the Super Saiyan God Multiplier is around x5,000 of a Saiyan's base form. In DB Legends' story mode, Shallot with SS2 easily fought Hyper Meta Rilldo, while GT Goku use SS2 briefly to defeat Rilldo, soon after Shallot gotten stronger and Shallot use Super Saiyan God to fight Nuova Shenron, while GT Goku used Super Saiyan 4 to fight Nuova Shenron, and the two Saiyans were shown to have a tough battle against Nuova. Also, when SSG Shallot fought Buuhan, who used Dark Ki 3rd stage which is said to multiplier his power by several fold or maybe ten fold, while Buuhan was stronger than SS3 Shallot. This is why I believe SSG multiplier is around x5,000.
@@supersaiyangodshallot8742I don’t think so because ssj 3 didn’t do anything to beerus and goku even said even if he fused with vegeta it wouldn’t be enough. Ssg is stronger than ssj3 and vegito pre beerus . Ssj4 is a fraction of the ssg power because vegtio is probably near ssj4
@@boomboombaby9140Last time I check, the Battle of Gods movie, Beerus said he only used 70% of his full power against Super Saiyan God Goku, but after attaining Super Saiyan Blue, Goku wasn't confident of defeating Beerus. They decided to make Beerus stronger that only MUI Goku can match Beerus. Also, if Super Saiyan God and God transformations afterwards were so strong, how come fighters like Frieza, Gohan, and Android 17 were able to match Goku's blue form in the DBS anime series? Frieza's final form is that of Super Saiyan Goku, but Frieza's golden form which is I believe Potential Unleash. Gohan doesn't train as hard as Goku, and his hidden potential shouldn't be able to match SSB. Android 17 was much weaker than Cell Games Super Saiyan Goku, but somehow became almost strong as SSB Goku.
I guess at least 50 million
This was easily the most accurate power scaling video I've ever seen without someone going into BS numbers. It actually makes a lot of sense
I believe it’s atleast a million cause of how drastic of a power increase it is as it’s so strong that it could actually fight a far more powered up beerus for a while unlike ssj3 battling a far more supressed beerus who just flicked him around
I think its 100 - 500k
2:47 - Note that Goku is only considering Vegito. This was prior to nerfing Vegito in Super (The jump from SSJ3 Goku/SSJ2 Vegeta all the way to above Buuhan is an insane multiplier.) Elder Kai outright tells him that Potara is a stronger fusion than the dance. When considering the multiplier, the minimum should be based off Potara.
I think Metamoran Fusion is (A+B at equal power, so its essencially A or B x2 mattering on whose the weaker one)x10~x99
While Potara fusion is (Full Power A x Full Power B)x10~x99 + Rival or Familial Boost...
So if we were to low ball these equations, they would be something like:
Metamoran: [2 + (4 - 2)] x 10 = [2 + 2] x 10 = 4 x 10 = 40
Potara [(2 x 4) x 10] + 1 = [8 x 10] + 1 = 80 + 1 = 81
And if my math is mathing then Potara is not only just stronger. But then and some mattering on the fusee's.
@@helton3425remember gogeta base did far better than ssjb goku and vegeta combined so it have to be A×B for fusion dance
The multiplier is (every episode that Launch wasn't in, because akira toriyama forgot about her)
Realistically it shouldn't be a multiplier, it is condensing and changing his ki into god ki. Less than a "multiplier" and more of a alternate foundation of his power. SSB is a multiplier. His god state is basically his new "base" but he takes the form to funnel all of his ki into a new state. Think Solid, liquid, gas, plasma.
Solid, no ki, base life form
Liquid, Life force or pre ki.
Gas, realized ki.
Plasma, God ki.
They are all the same thing but in a different state.
I personally don’t agree, as God Gokou has a limit to his power, and multiplying is like a scale to see how much God Gokou’s is stronger compare to his Mortal self.
So let’s say…
Gokou is 2, and God Gokou is stronger than his strongest form, S.S-J.3, but how much stronger, let’s say, x1E11.
Plus, in a guide (I forgot) Kaioshin is said to be equal to S.S-J.Grade.4.Gokou when he fought Cell.
So Kaioshin has a limit to his power, and is weaker than Gokou in the Boo Saga since Vegeta beat Pui Pui in Base, and Kaioshin feared Pui Pui, and Gokou is stronger than Vegeta.
That’s what I believe.
I never looked at like that, but this is definitely a great way to explain the red headed god form. You always give me a new perspective on the series.😁
@@BeanBoiYami Glad to help out fam.
@@BeanBoiYami Also if it is just a gateway to this, that takes a lot into perspective like the fact that this means a tiny bit of god ki is either thousands or millions of times stronger than the same amount of normal ki, I think it makes sense to just be an opening gate
Yeah according to my calculations a single unit of God ki is equal to a million units of normal/mortal ki at least when it comes to potency so namek goku ssj = 3 to 150 God ki'freiza=120 units of God ki at the time
The multiplier is what the plot needs it to be. There isn't one.
I believe the Super Saiyan God Multiplier is around x5,000 of a Saiyan's base form. In DB Legends' story mode, Shallot with SS2 easily fought Hyper Meta Rilldo, while GT Goku use SS2 briefly to defeat Rilldo, soon after Shallot gotten stronger and Shallot use Super Saiyan God to fight Nuova Shenron, while GT Goku used Super Saiyan 4 to fight Nuova Shenron, and the two Saiyans were shown to have a tough battle against Nuova. Also, when SSG Shallot fought Buuhan, who used Dark Ki 3rd stage which is said to multiplier his power by several fold, while Buuhan was stronger than SS3 Shallot. This is why I believe SSG multiplier is around x5,000.
No lol
You disgust me for even liking that trash character you need to be exiled from the community but also that's literally non Canon
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6Shallot is a perfect example of the next Saiyan main character of Dragon Ball. Shallot doesn't have Super Saiyan at the beginning of the story, but will eventually and becoming much stronger as the story progresses. Shallot likes to fight, has Saiyan pride like Vegeta, and a righteous heart like Goku. And Shallot's rival is Giblet, Shallot's twin brother, but during the brainwashing, he was trying to kill Shallot, then Shallot freed Giblet from the brainwashing. Also, it maybe non-Canon, but the story is very interesting since we some of the movie villains, Cabba having more screen time, and it explains a little about the Saiyans' history about the battle between the good Saiyans against the evil Saiyans. Shallot is much better next main character than Gohan.
congratz your actually closer than this moron, if you read the DBS Manga
SSJB is between 2x to 5x stronger than SSJG and we know that SSJB is just SSJ while as a SSJG so the efficiency of SSJ has drop by at least 10x because they are using God Ki and not normal Ki, in the manga is directly stated by Whis using numbers, Vegeta lost easily to hit while using 9-10% of his SSJB power while SSJG Goku was folding Hit to the point his Time Skip was useless until he powered up.
Goku Black in Base form = SSj2 Trunks, SSj2 Vegeta
Goku Black in SSj2 Form = SSJB Vegeta
Base Goku Black = 100, SSj2 Goku Black = 10,000
SSj2 Vegeta = 100, SSJB Vegeta = 10,000
Meanwhile in DB Extreme Butoden , SSG Goku managed to beat Omega Shenron
I’m gonna make an assumption and say this since we don’t know the fusion multiplier.Goku wasn’t confident in vegito or gogeta being able to defeat beerus,but he was more confident in ssg. Assuming the fusion multiplier is like this 20(a+b) where a is vegeta and b is goku.Vegeta is 1/4 ssj3 goku in ssj2 so the multiplier would be 20(a+ 1/4a) which would be 25 ssj3 gokus also the fusion rival multiplier we can assume is 2x so 50 ssj3 gokus is 1 base vegito. 50 ssj3 gokus would be 50x ssj3 multiplier so base vegito in battle of gods could be 20,000x the base forms of goku+vegeta.Now if goku knew vegito could go ssj3 ssj vegito would be 1,000,000x goku and vegeta and ssj3 8,000,000x base goku and vegeta.By this SSG is above 8,000,000x base form
I like to think that super saiyan multipliers were only to their first appearence, with them being more of a potential unlock + somewhat of a power boost, as the user grows stronger, he unlocks more of his potential and the forms only remain with the power boost, but this boost is nowhere close to a 50x for ssj in anything beyond BoG. And God forms having a different hidden potential unlock alongside the massive power boosts, this new potential could justify why Goku and Vegeta grow massively stronger with each arc of Super
Mainly its my headcanon to justify the broken power scaling ever since Buu saga, and the fact that there is no actual way SSB is a 50x multi to SSG
The writers are responsible for this impossibility to scale things like this. Often times, it feels like the characters don't even understand the power they're looking at, which moreso results from the writers not realizing what they created. Great example: SSJ isn't even a 50x multiplier for Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, or future Trunks after the time chamber, at least not immediately. They chose to stick to the standard that was already known right after this arc, which disregards any of the concrete scaling that existed in the Android/Cell saga. This all can snowball later down the line into messing up every calculation that involves those forms, because it is now a form of retcon regardless of intention. Something that people often forget is that the story can end up being delivered in a way that the writer didn't intend.
Leaving it too vague isn't the only problem. Whether intentional or not, they have been inconsistent since before Super (albeit, not nearly as much bc it's easier to conceptualize things at lower levels of power). Toriyama's writing style being spontaneous on top of his questionable memory makes it worse, and I'm not saying that to shit on him. It seriously is part of the situation. Without a memory that's far beyond average, it is incredibly difficult to keep continuity when your own reference points are just as vague. Combine that with time constraints, and there you go.
SSJ has always been x50. Toriyama did want it to be smaller, but he realized that there would be no way for Goku to defeat Frieza if it was any less than x50. As for Vegeta and Trunks' versions. Those are diverging paths of SSJ. What Goku and Gohan had is the perfected normal SSJ. Which is still x50.
Yeah as the series continues it only seems as if the continuity errors and plot holes are getting worse. I do think there are time where they try to “fix/explain” old plot holes, but a lot of the time it makes it worse. The thing about Super that made it so much more inconsistent was the two different canons due to the way they interpreted Akira Toriyama’s words
Now, if we think about it, 4,000,000 makes quite a lot of sense. Now, if we bring Kaioken (Highest canon multiplier of 20 times) into the mix, it could be a multiplier of roughly 80,000,000. It may be more, considering that we know that SSJ 3 Vegito (With Kaioken x 20) wouldn't be enough.
If this were to be true it would place the legendary super saiyan kale variant as being way more op than we originally thought. For base kefla to dominate ssg goku in the anime kale’s lssj form must have been 400,000-800,000x stronger than base level
I believe it’s 20,000, which is 50x stronger than SSJ3’s multiplier of 400.
This would also make SSB’s multiplier 1,000,000, which just feels poetically correct.
Poethically correct, tho it should be far higher tbh bc base fusion gives more than ssj 3, so it is more than 400x, and even if we assume that Vegito can't go ssj 3, because Vegeta can't still it would make ssjg at very least 40000x boost, and it is a massive lowball.
@@sebgor2319 it should be possible to go ssj3 in fusion form, else gotenks wouldn't be able to go ssj3
The problem is goku couldn’t feel beerus’s power so how would he know what a hypothetical ss3 fusion would do against him.
So with Super Saiyan God being 20 million and the fusions being 4 million would be five times or 8 million would be 2.5 times weaker than the Super Saiyan God
Can you please make what if the senzu beans went extinct part 5?
I’ve been meaning to get to it. I have the script written I just never recorded it. It’ll probably come out next or after what if a cell jr survived part 4. Sorry about the hiatus.
So u sayin that god goku demolishes ssj3 gogeta and vegito while he was used to mop the floor by base kefla?
The multiplier for legendary super Saiyan >>> ssj3. Then she mastered that form and the form then gets an even greater multiplier. That's why kefla is so strong. If it was two normal ssj fusing then it wouldn't have mattered
Yeah because ssj3 didn’t do anything to beerus and goku said even if he fused with vegeta it wouldn’t be enough. Ssg fought beerus who released 60% more power that yanked ssj3 and vegetio pre beerus
Yes Battle of God SSG Goku does demolish the SSJ3 fusion he was referring to. Obviously the fusion wouldn’t have any god Ki. Since when he refers to it he did have god Ki yet. As for base Kefla the thing about the universe 6 saiyans is that they’re a lot stronger than our heroes compared to Z. I’ve seen people say that Teen SSJ2 Gohan from the Cell saga can beat SSJ Cabba. When this isn’t true at all since Base Vegeta from super can easily defeat SSJ3 Gotenks as shown in the Potafu arc and Cabba was able to at least keep up with him to some extent. Showing us that U6 saiyans are really strong. Also if I’m not mistaken Goku was also fatigued
@@BeanBoiYami tho the potafu arc is a sorta of filler and wasn’t stated in the manga, so technically it isn’t true cuz it ain’t canon, and also I’m not sure who would win a fight between cabba ssj1 and gohan cell saga ssj2
Using the numbers also put a bit of logic into how strong Broly was getting in Super Broly. We saw that he was getting more and more powerful than rven a super saiyan in just his base form, as he kept getting strong DURING the fight.
But as soon as Vegeta went God, you can infer that Broly got a zenkai boost as Vegeta tried to kill him; that was a near death experience for Broly while turning into the great ape power form. The numbers multiply extremely quickly. The great ape power is supposed to be a x10 multiplier, and then Broly went ahead turned into a super saiyan, making it a x500 instead of just x50. Pretty crazy.
Also you actually forgot that Vegeta actually surpass Goku in its Super Saiyan 3 form when he got angry in his Super Saiyan 2 form when beerus slapped Bulma and and Goku did not know that Vegeta could have stronger than himself when he did this theory about not being strong enough.
That’s the thing that makes Vegeta’s feat so impressive. The super saiyan 2 multiplier is stated to be a 2 times increase from Super saiyan. Meaning that in order for Vegeta to become stronger than Goku it was his base power that massively increased. Not the multiplier of ssj2. Meaning that at that moment base Vegeta would absolutely demolish base Goku, possibly even ssj goku
I think that was because Vegeta caught Beerus off guard, just imagine how much Beerus, someone not even surpassed by Black Frieza had to be contained in order to slap someone like Bulma and not obliterate her, Vegeta was able to slap Beerus because he was contained, as soon as Beerus regained his senses he humillated Vegeta
Didnt elder kai state that fusing in their ssj states would shorten their lifespan? That implies fusion is using the max of their base forms and not their top forms
Yeah he does. I always took it at face value though. I thought he meant that they’ll just live a shorter life not having to do anything with power
Given that he thought the fusion was permanent, that moreso implies that he believed Vegito's lifespan to be shortened.
@@BeanBoiYamigrade 4 can be used while sleeping. So to me it wasn't about power strain but the mere fact he would be using more power in general. I could see it either way though
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@@ojpickle5923 Yea, but that doesn’t contradict what I’m saying. I only added on
everything made sense till you threw out the window that the fusion (one of them) must have the users at equal level meaning gokus would be restricted by vegetas own max
No he is talking about potara fusion during the video not fusion dance. If he was talking bout fusion dance then the multiplier would be less.
Pretty high ig
Thank you🧠
Aren’t the Dance and Potara fusion power formulas different?
Yes, different
Then he should have taken that into account in his formula for the SSG multiplier, or not, since Gogeta wasn’t even cannon by the time BoG was out.
@@JoesMama-ci3yl He doesn't need to account for Gogeta because Vegito is stronger. It's stated in the anime that Potara is stronger than the Fusion Dance. So there's no reason to do the math for a lesser fusion that isn't as strong as the Potara. Unless you want to argue that he was talking about the Fusion Dance in BoG because he didn't have easy access to any Potara earrings at the time.
Fusion does not take the 2 in the powered state they are in. It multiplies one by the other.
Goku times Vegeta. Not goku x400 times Vegeta x100. It takes their base form and fuses that. The form that the fusion takes is different. The fused form can get the x50, 100, or 400 multiplier.
I’ve heard about the fusion techniques multiplying the fusees, but I always had a hard time believing it. Primarily due to how the characters explain it. I mean it would make sense as to why the fusion’s bases are typically as strong as they are.
It multiplies them at the MAXIMUM power not just their base
@@Zeno1781 sure okay my dude you win the internet I'm wrong and only you are correct. Have a good one
of all the ones I saw the most realistic is a+bx100=c
@@PheonixBlaze01you better 😂
The Fusion dance and the potara Fusion what's the originally stated to increase the power by first combining their Bass powers together and then multiplying that by 500 and the base power will pretty much equal so that pretty much made it where individually the fusion forms what's 1000 times stronger than the individual based forms then you times that by 400 with their Super Saiyan 3 transformation however apparently the Transformations also allow them to tap into a stronger form what's in this case would basically be the Wrathful form on top of that making it 10 times stronger so the final multipliers should be 4 million to 8 million if you add the two Super Saiyan 3 forms together making it instead of 4000 it is 8000 Times by a thousand.
I got 8,000,000x too for the ssg multiplier but I used something different
in my head cannon god ki changes how strong it is depending on the situation.
Goku says a hypothetical fp ss3 vegito would lose to goku.
Fp ss3 is a different state from ss3. Its the same form but a stronger variant. Basically like the super saiyan grades.
The super saiyan grades are super saiyan but stronger variation. We dont know the exact multplier of this "fp ss3" so lets ignore it.
Another thing we have to ignore is the unqualifiable rival boost that vegito got because he was the fusion of goku and vegeta. Elder kai said its not that vegito is strong, but more so because of goku and vegeta rivalry that gave him such ridiculous powers. This is even proven in a guide that specifies the rival boost.
Next thing its the super saiyan form, specifically grade 4. Ss grade 3 is stated by el manga legendario to be 10x stronger than super saiyan grade 1(the form everyone used before super vegeta) but kills its speed.
So basically el manga legendario is saying
Strength : 1 x grade 3 ss = 500
Durability : 1 x grade 3 ss = 500
Speed : 1 x grade 3 ss = 40(literally called the slowest ss grade. Making it slower than grade 1)
Reaction speed : 1 x ss grade 3 = 500
Perception : 1 x ss grade 3 = 500
Super saiyan grade 4 is consistently stated to be the strongest ss with 0 draw backs. Essentially giving u a perfect 500 stats across the board(at the bare minimum).
Ss2 or ss grade 5 is then x2 ss grade 4 =1k x base
Ss3 is then 4x grade 5 or ss2 = 4k x base
This is yap i just did is thrown out of the water because the fusion multiplier is a(maximum strength) x b(maximum strength) = c
Meaning lets say im A and i have a pl of 5 million at maximum strength x you with also 5 million at maximum strength.
This would make our potara fusion base be 25 trillion.
So Essentially what im trying to say is, the super saiyan god multiplier can only be known if u manage to figure out goku and vegeta maximum power and multiply that together.
Low balled
We will assume goku and vegeta are 1. We are also using ss grade 4 accurate multiplier
1k(ss2) x 4k(ss3) = 4 million aka vegito base
Multiply that by 4k(ss3) = 16 billion
The failed ssg ritual is stronger than a hypothetical ss3 vegito. This is shown when goku was confident he could fight beerus but immediately shut down the potara fusion.
We know in dragon ball that a 2x difference will make u dominate the opponent so I will do just that(this is a low ball btw)
Failed ssg ritual = 32 billion
Give the 2x again to the ssg form
Ssg form = 64 billion
We literally see goku and the form growing stronger. Goku himself stating he was only using fractions of the ssg strength. It wouldn't be insane to say when goku first went god, he was using only 1% of its entire strength but let's be generous and say it was already at 10%
So a fp ssg low ball multiplier would be at 640 billion x base.
If you don't agree with El manga legendario ss grade 3 multiplier, just divide 640 billion by 100.
This is the multiplier if we don't use the rival boost, fp ss3, an accurate version of the failed ssg ritual multiplier and the ssg itself
You just said (100 + 400 x 10)400. Uhhhh.... You can't have an SS3 fuse with a SS2, and then have that fusion go SS3 again. That doesn't make any sense. The Equation is just (A + B x 10)400 Which for everyone's sake let's just say they're both 1. (1 + 1 x 10)400 is 8,000. Not freaking 2 million. I get it "big number more fun". But you can't have two different levels of Super Saiyan fuse and then go super Saiyan again. Goku literally explains that to Trunks and Goten. It's why everyone always fuses at base. Also Vados says "tens of times" not just 10. So it could be anywhere from 20 to ~110-190 times. So Potara SS3 is a minimum of 16,000, and a maximum of ~150,000, with an average of around ~84,000 times the average between their base forms. Most people just say SSG is a 100,000 times multiplayer because it's a nice round number that makes the math the easiest. Which would then make SSB 5,000,000 times base, and SSBKK 100,000,000 times base. Yay, easy math. Hope this helps, sorry for being a nerd.
Super Saiyan 4 ×4,000
Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×20,000
Ultra Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×400,000
Saiyan God ×20,000
Super Saiyan God ×1,000,000
The god form has a base amp of an unknown multiplier so I say it's a 20,000 x multiplier
Well honestly I'd say its roughly a x120 boosts to your SSJ form since thats the form Goku was in when he wet God. Now I'm using smaller numbers purposely to make the math easier.
So lets Say
Beerus 100% = 100,000
Base Goku 10
Base Vegeta 9
SSJ3 Goku 4000 (10x50x2x4)
SSJ 2 Rage 5000
Beerus 10%=10,000 enough to overwhelm Vegeta and Beerus states in anime he went about 10%
SSJ2 Vegito 19,000 (10+9 x10 x 50 x 2) Potatra formula has some variants but the A+B x 10 formula seems the most logical
SSG Goku 48,000 (stated he was going about 80%)
SSJ Goku+God absorbed (40,000) Beerus states Goku's power didn't decrease much but was still decreased
Beerus 70%= 70,000 Whis states Beerus used 70% against Goku
Again I lowered the base numbers since we were only trying to find the multiplier
I believe it’s a 2 million times amp.
But for those haters, it’s at the very least, a 160 thousand time amp.
Goku was more confident in God than in SS3 Vegito.
Base Vegito> SS3 Goku.
Base Vegito X 400= 400 squared.
So the bare minimum is 400 times 400, which comes out to 160 thousand.
Just throwing it out there, I believe super saiyan god is not at all a multiplier, but a new type of ki that has been applied upon base form. I also believe the super saiyan god transformation also brings an entire new power level, as seen with how at one point, super saiyan god goku was a 6, beerus was a 9 or 10 (I'm not sure) and whis was a 15; however, the new power levels would work differently, as goku is now millions of times stronger than what he was back in the battle of gods and is still far weaker than that of beerus. Just my theory tho, so correct me however you like.
I believe it's 6M because i think beerus was holding like 98% of his power or 99% because his power is increasing or inconsistent. So because you're logic is so correct i think it's 6M😅
I always believed it to be 40,000× the base!
Never liked the idea of goku new base is as strong as battle of gods saiyan god.
This was a very good video, but your math fell apart at the very end. You added SS2 Vegeta and SS3 Goku together, and then put the SS3 multiplier on top of it again.
Another thing, in the sub it’s “tens of times” for the fusion multiplier and in the dub it’s “dozens.” Not sure which translation is more accurate, however this statement implies greater than 10/12. I would argue that it sits at a base multiplier of around 20-24 and that additional multiplication comes from how complete the fusion is, or the compatibility of the “fusies.” Rival boost is a thing mentioned in regards to creating a more perfect fusion for Vegito.
If we assume Vegeta and Goku are roughly the same strength then we can call fusion a minimum multiplier of x2+x20, or the equivalent of a x40 multiplier on base. Let’s add another 10 for rival boost and math simplification’s sake for a total x50 multiplier for fusion.
Assuming SSG is stronger than fusion trying its hardest at SS3 (50x400 or x20,000) then SSG would have to be at least a 20k multiplier, and SSB, by extension 1m multiplier.
The DB community seems to have landed more around 5k multiplier for SSG (for the sake of sanity), but I thought I’d share my take and show just how wild power scaling is in this show.
So would ssb kaioken Goku be 2 billion times stronger than when he fought beerus? If ssg is atleast 2 million times increase then 50 times increase for ssb which would be 100 million, then times 20 for kaioken and it would be 2 billion times stronger since battle of gods.
Dang, thats pretty big.
Although I didn't expect Ssj4 to absolutely dwarf it in power
This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but Goku not even considering fusing with Gohan implies that Vegeta surpassed even Ultimate Gohan by such a margin that the Ultimate form would do nothing to cover the gap.
its more the fact that Gohan was already out of shape for when Super starts
fusion only works when both people are around the same power level
So if ssj 3 is 400x base then god is 10,000x times stronger than 3 right
In all fairness, it’s just a guess
Ssj god make Goku go from multi galaxy at best to low multiversal so the multiplayer can be more insane
I should disagree on this because your lowball should be at least time 20 not 10 because vados siad " tens" not ten time
Yeah but his math is also bad because he does 100 + 400 times 10 then times 400 again. You can't have then be SS2 and SS3 before they fuse and then have that fusion go SS3 again. So it should just be (A + B x C)400. And tens can mean anything from 20 to 190 with an average of around 105. So you can lowball the Potara SS3 to low as 16,000 or wank it to as high as 152,000 (with an average of around 84,000). So I've always just said SSG is 100,000 times base cause it makes the math easier, lol.
So ur telling me that super sayian blue evolution is a 400 mil multiplier
Bare minimum 20000 if you low ball the hell out of it. Base vegito insanely low balled is 400 times 50 is 20000. Goku said that not even fusion would work against beerus so baseline 20000
Well ssj grade 3 ajd 4 are a 500x low balling and 625high balling if we use the fact thatssj grade 3is 10 times multiplier althoughtmkts not clear if its the multiplier of grade 1 or grade 2
With all the calculations that I have done the Super Saiyan God form is actually 20 million.
Keep in mind, he only gave a bare minimum
That being said, what’s your calc?
@@_WiZ420 I pretty much gave it already in another comment
Yeah I know for the most part that SSG should be stronger than what I concluded by the end of the video. I just gave what I thought would be the lowest possible calculation
My bare minimum with calculations is >8,000,000x
When is cell jr part four
Working on it right now😁
This guestimation is also only for his first time using the form begore it absorbs into his base. Whats the multiplier for the form after that? When its used as a casual transformation? Are you telling me SSB is a 200 million time boost? SSBKKx20 is a 4 billion times boost? What the fuck is the multiplier for UI???
I believe it to be 240,000 since it was stated that vegito ssj3 would not be strong enough.
I assumed vegito base to be equal to or greater than ssj3 goku since we don't have an accurate fusion multiplier. Thus assume 1 to be goku base form, 400 to be goku ssj3 aswell as vegito base form. Then 160,000 to be vegito ssj3 which is still not enough, so we have to go higher how much higher I can't say so to low ball it and not sugar coat it we can say 1.5x so super saiyan God would then be a 240,000 multiplier.
Super saiyan blue is a bit confusing some say it's 50x ssg since it's super saiyan on top of ssg but I'm not sure I would say it's stronger than that.
So if ssb is 50x ssg then it would be 12,000,000(12 million).
Kinda absurd ngl
at 2:00 mins i do not see this being a confirmed quote we must accept that God is superior than fusion. Just because fusion is not enough doesnt than mean God was enough. God was a wild card they used not knowing the form and its potential which is why they went for it. Ofc if goku from current was to give a statment about fighting beerus he would also say red or blue is not enough to beat beerus. Another reason why we should not just accept that as fact and rather as a theory is because the manga completely removes that quote of goku even mentioning fusion. Third, Dbs writers wrote the show as they went along, ofc during BOG movie era, red was supposed to be close to beerus full power but given the anime now we know that's bs. Finally his fight with kefla they were both SS2 level fighters with kale arguably being ss3 level. Keflas base form was beating Red goku, sure u can say he was tired or whatnot but then we can just say super saiyan kefla vs red goku then? Point being that fusion in this scenario shows that its power growth exceeds that of going red even more so when said fusion can go ss.
So overall this does not discredit your video, ofc it was made quite well and makes complete since if we accept every mutiplyer as true you shown, Im just saying that SSG being Above fusion is not confirmed and has more evidence pointing against it vs for it for me to accept it.
you can figure it out if you read the manga and read the 6th vs 7th Universe arc and the Goku Black Arc, please for the love of god dont use Anime to make a point there is no logical scaling in the anime its just what ever Toei fells like
1. Tournament Arc, Whis directly states that Vegeta in SSJB could not utilize even 10% of SSJB power against Hit, so lets assume 9%, SSJG Goku was far stronger than Hit to a point the Time Skip was not working so the Multiplier for SSJB is 5x that of SSJG at best, so we can assume that SSJG = 20% of SSJB Power
2. Goku Black Chapter is even easier, we know that Trunks, Vegeta and Goku all have similar Base form Power level from their fight skirmish this was proven when Goku fought Trunks, Goku Black in Base = SSJ2 Vegeta/SSj2 Trunks, SSJ2 Goku Black = SSJB Vegeta. so with this SSJG multiplier is x2,000, while SSJB is x10,000, yes Goku Black SSJ varies due to adaptation of his goku body and Zamasu soul but its just for SSJ transformation Multipliers since Trunks could not make him transform due to being too weak he never adapted to SSJ multipliers until Vegeta beat him up, just use your brain when reading it its very easy to understand, lets use math bellow
Base Goku Black = 100, SSJ2 Goku Black = 10,000, its basic x100 for SSj2 and since Zamasu has adapted it means he gets the full SSJ multiplier
SSj2 Vegeta = 100, SSJB Vegeta= 10,000 on par with SSj2 Zamasu/Black, divide by 5 = SSJG/2,000,
if you want to use Anime then SSJG is around 2,800x Vegta in his ultimate SSj2 form which is on par with SSj3 can make Beerus use 10% of his power so just multiply that by 7 for SSJG since beerus supposely used 70% lol. meaning its x400 times 7 = 2,800x
so one last time for those that dont know
SSJ1 = x50
SSj2 = x100
SSj3 = x400
SSJG = x2000/Manga, x2800/Anime and Movie
SSJB = x10,000/Manga, Anime is whatever Toei wants it to be for plot
and with DBHeroes that keeps showing us that SSJ4 = SSJB now we understand why because it makes fck sense, if you assume the x4000 then x8000 for Full power it makes perfect sense why SSj4 is shown to be at the same level as SSJB with SSJ4 Limit break being on par with UI Sign
Ssj4 multiplier is 4,000 and vegeto is stated to be the same as ssj4 so a fusion gives 4,000x multiplier and multiply that by 400 is 1.6 million but goku was more confident with an incomplete ssjgod ritual so to be that confident to an incomplete ssjgod then its 10x stronger then ssj3 vegeto and a full ssjgod will give 2x so it means 64 million time multiplier
Math is a little off because the scan compares ssj vegeto from buu ark to ssj4. Also ssj4 multiplier was never stated and you'll have to take in consideration that gt Goku's base is at least 400x stronger than in the buu ark. So even if the multiplier is the same for both potara and ssj4, ssj4 Goku would still be way stronger than ssj vegeto in buu ark.
@@viciousbattousai4109 ssj3 goku couldn't do anything to baby vegeta but golden great ape goku gave super baby vegeta 2 a run for his money so the golden great ape and ssj4 are 10x ssj3 because if ut was 10x ssj and ssj2 it wont make that much of a difference espicially 10 x ssj because its only 500x unlike something like 10 x 100 is 1000 and 10 x 400 is 4,000
@@viciousbattousai4109 so aren't ssj multiplier was confirmed the fans made that up and it became official
@@viciousbattousai4109 also i am not talking about who is strong super vegeto or ssj4 goku and only talk about their multiplier
powers level everything because of that I make my own multiplier for super Saiyan God is 5 billion
DBZ
The multiplier is 20,000 to 200,000 20,000 is before the Goku black Ark and 200,000 is after
I've tried to do the math, and it just made my head hurt. I've simply put it at 20,000 times and then scale off that.
A more interesting question to me would be what the multiplier is for a non-Saiyan that unlocks a god form. Nothing says it can't be done, and I've long wondered what that would be, but there's nothing available for that specifically.
I think the only other “God form” that we’ve seen in the series is G.o.D Toppo. Which is technically using God Ki, but it would be interesting to see if a form could be used out of God Ki outside of saiyans. However I don’t think Humans could make a form out of God Ki. Saiyans just seem to have the weird ability to transform into things.
@@BeanBoiYami I agree with you on the Saiyans transforming part. It could be argued that God Ki, because of its nature, would require a transformation for mortals of any species to use its full power. Toppo is evidence for that theory, and if you count Kami as the lowest god on the totem pole, then Piccolo's Orange form could be used as evidence as well.
Vegito being the most obsurdly busted canon power increase of all time being weaker then a super saiyan god means the power increase is probably somewhere around a bajillion. Case closed
Edit: awww, he didn’t use the multiplying power levels analysis of Vegito, :C
Im pretty surewasnt it confirmed a while ago the fsuion is for example in this case, goku x vegeta, no forms included, i thought it was but maybe im wrong, in my opinion this would also make things harder but also makes moee sense to me
My personal opinion is ssj god being a ×1,000,000 mulriplier
(1:53)
*Puts glasses on, and coughs* Umm, actually, it was 2013.
*Rubs eyes. Oh crap you’re right!
i mean
in certain aspects power levels are bs
but in most aspects power levels make sense[up until super but even in super there is some decent power scalings]
goku vs frieza[good powerscaling]
gohan vs cell[good powerscaling]
buu saga[odd powerscaling]
Goku vs beerus[good-odd power scaling]
Goku vs frieza rematch[good powerscaling]
Universe 6 tournament[fine powerscaling]
Goku black arc[bad powerscaling]
T.O.P[odd powerscaling]
Broly[Good powerscaling]
Moro arc[Good powerscaling]
Granolah[Good powerscaling]
Superhero[We didnt get a whole lot so: odd powerscaling]
Goku vs Gohan[Gohan won so it was good powerscaling]
I'm thinking other way around did you see it
Ssj blue is 50 times of God form right
And guess what else is 50 times right ssj
Here they clearly say ssj blue is 50 times of God form, we don't know ssj God is powerful
And God form cannot acess because it's a divine form entirely different from other three forms
Even if we need a know actual pl
God form is strong than fusion and their fusion can only access ssj2 because vegeta didn't acheive ssj it means their compain more than 150000000 *4 =
Thought fusion was base + base x100
Power levels aren't bull****. This meme is now outdated, and factually untrue. It's just not used anymore because it spoils the story.
Power levels are a thing of the past, but it was used in dragon ball and early dbz to scale someone's Power against their opponent.
Also, the Formula for Fusion is stated in the Daizennshu, as The Power Level of A x The Power Level of B, A x B.
What is super Saiyan god
If ss3 is the united states then super Saiyan god would be earth
So i think its 100x ss3
Being like a 40k multiplier
interesting video but nitpicks heres the minimum to vados statements "10's of times" would be 20 times not 10.
and you never mentioned that mastered super saying/grade 4 having a higher multiplier i know its a bit vague with being anywhere from 10 time grade 1 to just 2 times outside of that great video
some also argue grade 4 has the same multiplier it just dosetn deplete/leak your power over time so rather then being at 50% power after 1 minute(hypothetical) in the form you're still at 100 but grade 2 kinda of counter this whole idea since we know its noticeably stronger than grade 1 and its not like base vegeta, trunk are significantly weaker than goku and gohan its the form that was significantly stronger i could be wrong but like we know that like z fighters are around the base saying it the tranformation that propels them to the moon
plot holes it just doesn't make sense. we could I guess have a look at guides and statements their published release and validity and find some logic to all of this
Another miscalculation on my part. As for the Super Saiyan Grade they are indeed tricky for some due to like you siad the evidence that shows that they are stronger than the base Grade 1 SSJ. I for do agree with the concept of Grade 4 still having the same multiplier as Grade 1, but it's just far more controlled. I know there is evidence against this theory, but something about Goku saying that they'll just stick to regular old Super Saiyan when he's training with Gohan really makes it seem like they just got ridiculously strong just by focusing on the basics and training themselves up rather than focusing on finding new avenues of power, but it's really hard to say. Also I do believe that Gohan and Goku training together did contribute to their massive jumps in power unlike Vegeta and Trunks who for the most part trained alone.
ssjg might be around x100,000 multiplier lol
Ssj4 is a 1000 times Amp from base. Since you thought its 100 times no point of watching a false video
SS4 doesn't have a stated multiplier anywhere in canon. His math is still way off. But you also don't know the actual multiplier for anything either because we're never told them. The only ones we have are SS1 through SS3. That's it.
Fusion:
Given that the dance requires people to have the *same power level,* there should be different math per type.:
Fusee A > Fusee B
The power level of the fusion also depends on the compatibility of the users, as said by Elder Kai.
Dance: B x (a number between 5 & 50)
Potara: (A + B) x (a number between 10 & 100)
God:
Another youtuber used the feats of Buu Saga Vegito & BoG SSJ3 Goku to say it was over 10^28 times stronger than SSJ3 or 10^30 times base.
ruclips.net/video/Ol1hjrJ2xdg/видео.html
This is power scaling with wonky math that isn't applicable to Dragon Ball laws of physics.
If you think these are accurate, then Gohan would not have the power to suddenly blow up a solar system with just x2 increase. Same goes for Cell, which didn't even reach a SS2 Gohan level in his Super Perfect form.
40 000 or 400 000 like that.
power levels arent bullshit
look pretty good to me , dbs have absolutely non sens . btw remember goku beat jiren in base ssj
Yeah Dbs is a cluster of nonsense, but I still love it. As for SSJ Goku beating Jiren. If I’m not mistaken didn’t he have help from 17 and Frieza in the anime and 17 and Vegeta in the manga?
@@BeanBoiYami i did't read the manga the only things i remember from it was muten roshi dodging jiren's punch , in anime goku was base forme when he was help by 17/freeza but the final hit was goku ssj+ basse freeza iirc
So Beerus used 0.0000175 Percent while Fighting SS3 Goku if this is true
Dragon Ball multiplier
Super Saiyan= 50×
super Saiyan grade 2 = 125
super Saiyan grade 3 = 250
super Saiyan grade 4 = 500
Super Saiyan 2 = 1,000
Super Saiyan 3 = 4,000
to be honest i belive that ssj god dosnt have that high multiplier and god ki itself is powerfull enough boost it anyone has acess to it and sayians are race that adapts by creating new transformation like we seen with ui taht even tought is tehuniqe goku uses it as transformation to or ulta ego with destruction energy to me ssj god is just drawing out even more power of god ki than most of mortal races are abel to
so basically it ranges from 4 million to 39.6 million because of what they said by "tens of times" (10x to 99x) and with SSB it ranges from 200 million to one billion nine hundred and eighty million
I think ritual Super Saiyan God and transformation Super Saiyan God are two different powers based on Goku's statement while fighting Beerus was that he hated that the power was not his own. I think the ritual Super Saiyan God is an outside force transforming Goku, so it may not even have a multiplier.
I think the power of Super Saiyan God can be determined by the Broly Movie.
Super Saiyan Blue > Broly Wrath State > Super Saiyan God Goku > Angry Base Broly > Super Saiyan Vegeta.
Gogeta did not start going on the offence until he became a Super Saiyan, meaning he's over half of Broly Super Saiyan at that point, but also less than double.
Broly = 1. Broly Wrath State = 10. Broly Super Saiyan = 50.
Super Saiyan God = 1 < x < 10. Super Saiyan Blue = 10 < x < 25. Super Saiyan Gogeta 25 < x < 100.
That means Super Saiyan God is at least a 25th of Super Saiyan Blue's strength. This is less than 50 times. This lines up with a statement in the manga.
It's stated in the manga that Vegeta at less than 10% blue would be stronger as a Super Saiyan God, meaning that Super Saiyan Blue is probably less than 50 times Super Saiyan God.
Super Saiyan God is at most 2.5 times weaker than Super Saiyan Gogeta.
Super Saiyan Gogeta = (G+V) * 9 < x < 100 * 50 or 900 < x < 10000. Super Saiyan Blue = 1000 < x < 10000.
Super Saiyan God = 400 < x < 4000.
It’s weird that everyone just assumes SSG is stronger than Fusion from that one statement from Goku considering that Goku had no idea how strong Beerus or Super Saiyan God was, he was making an assumption with very little information to work with. Especially as revealed in latter arcs that Fusion is actually stronger.
Super vegito is stronger than god goku in battle of gods bruh
No he not lol
No, what, did u watch the movie at all??🤨
7
first?
I’m decillionth!
Close but no cigar😁
nonsense lol, imagine my surprise at the ridiculous number due to using Anime logic instead of something consistent and with logic like the manga.
Anime has no multipliers for SSJ, go look up Goku vs Caulifla and Kale during the Tournament, Goku turn SSJ and only change color no power increase.
lastly Anime has too many retcons and statements that make no fck sense
who the hell believes Beerus used 10% of his power to face a goddamm SSJ2 Vegeta = Anime does
who the hell believes Beerus used 70% of his power to fight SSJG Goku = Anime/movie Does
who the hell believes that Jiren is stronger than a God of destruction when even Black Frieza has been confirm to be inferior to God of Destruction = Anime Logic
Anime has so many retcons and dumb statement that its useless to use it for any power scaling, only good thing is use for is having fun watching it
in the manga there is no such thing as Jiren being stronger than a God of Destruction nor Beerus using 10% against Vegeta nor none of that fck BS, Jiren was only confirm to posses better combat Skill than a God of destruction which is fine and dandy since even Goku has UI mastery something the other Gods dont evne have
Has to be over 300 sextillion.