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Gohan in power is above Goku and Vegeta (we see clearly in the manga where Goku just resist thanks to his experience and the ultra instinct trait of auto dodge). Orange Piccolo is in the realm of Goku as well as Toriyama said, so all the chances of downplaying him are absurd

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Answer: Prolly not

In Classical Dragon Ball, After Goku showed weighted clothing the Z fighters could have sought to procure their own set, probably asking Goku to share his source. They also could have gotten training with Kami if he felt like it or if they had a better role in the defeat of Picolllo.

Correction, did Super fail to logically bridge the gap toward the epilogue. The answer is, probably. Primary issue is that Bulma seems to think she hasn’t seen Goku in a long time, but that ain’t true in super.

I like to think it’s between 100k and 1 mil It is literally a whole new realm of power incomparable to anything before

I want them to somehow make everyone lose their god ki (well not want but it’s something that could be possible)

it could just the true with just overestimating no one has any reason to not point out a few year overestimation bc its not like its at all important

I think they wouldnt get mych stronger because they have something called limits

How is kid buu even comparable to that kai. No where near as strong.

Correct me if I'm wrong, so as for now the canon continuity would be > DB (series) > DB Z (Series) > DB Z: The Return of Son Goku and Friend - Movie > DB: Daima (Series) > DB: Battle of God - Movie > DB Super (Resurrection F included in the series/manga) > DBS: Brolly - Movie > DBS: Superhero - Movie > DB Super: (Ultra Instinct vs Gohan Beast) - Manga > DB Super ?? - for any future plan > DB Z (the end of Z)

All of the ending of Z makes sense. Quit nitpicking. The 2 shows/mangas came out nearly 30 years apart. Akira Toriyama did his best. And now is dead. 1 line for his lifes work to fall apart? Stop it. It's not like he was just sitting on the Dragon Ball Super manga at his house. He changed some things about the story. Multiple times throughout Super manga and the movies and show. Not a big deal.

We need a part when Cell Jr revives Cell

Actually, since the beginning of the Dragon Ball series, it has been shown that the basic potential of the Earth race is not high, so it is supported by better techniques, so Goku, whose martial arts are from Earth, is always better than Vegeta, and it is also shown by Gohan, and other Hybrid Saiyans who have high potential because they have Saiyan blood which is high in raw power and fighting instincts, supported by the creative thinking of the Earth race to become one of the best fighters in the universe, so yes, the Earth race Z Fighter will always find it difficult to catch up with other races, except with external intervention such as androids, but Earth race will always keep up in term of technique, so if we see in DBS manga, earth race is possible to got buff if they give a technique's who can catch up with saiyan, but yeah would that got realised by toyotaro i don't think he would love to do that😂😂

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They’re as strong as the writer wants them to be.

I know the reasoning behind 50x multiplier. But there is a problem with that.When Goku arrived on Namek, with a base powerlevel of 90.000, he got a Zenkai boost after Ginuy was defeated and his powerlevel jumped to 3.000.000. That's the number that was multiplied by 50x, and that's the real logical issue I have with the show. Goku was close to death countless times in Dragon Ball and he never got a 30+ multiplier boost in powerlevel. If that was the case Kid Goku would be as strong as Nappa after only one near death situation, but we know he was close to death many times in Dragon Ball.

It's not deep, super is just to milk more money imo.

I have a theory Boma did not care because it does not matter. I mean what was true to the date of knowing that bone was been around these two in especially Goku for decades. I’m pretty sure should’ve gotten used to Goku’s stupidity.

another continuity issue is that at the end of Z, vegeta is portrayed as just then being told by goku who uub is, how strong he is, etc. but then goku already told him in super (episode 30, to be exact) so now it makes no sense for him to be surprised

Mustic Kaioken Tien is just enough to beat most of the champions of the tournament because he hates everything about them.

What if Tien was betrayed and locked in the time chamber for 1000 years ahhhhh type of video, Tien has the biggest potential as a human in my opinion.

Well, considering potara fusion which is fighter x fighter x rival boost and the max power for each fighter multiplied together equals the fusions base power and a potential super saiyan 3 of that fusion wasn't even considered by goku. Yet ssg was not only considered, but made goku think he could beat beerus just showed how outrageously overpowered it is

I feel they SSJ grade 3 trunks level

dbs was actually a dream and goku was just trapped in the time chamber for 10 years

Okay do not lie bro Gohan got angry and surpassed his father without training

I would love to see a reimagined version of End of Z, maybe featuring Broly and a more confident Pan

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It was a good theory but he forgot one thing gokusaid that fusion wouldn't work against beerus not super saiyan God also goku couldn't detect God Ki at that time also gogeta = kefla > super saiyan God goku

I think they could redo end of Z atleast for the super anime once they get there, and they can fix any of the retconned elements

I’m sorry but this is an L take 😂 mf since when does Goku know math? While Goku IS smart, buuut he’s not so intelligent. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t even know how to count! 😭

The og ending and Dragonball GT is the timeline where Beerus stays asleep. No canon Broly, no Freeza. The movies and Super are the timeline where Beerus wakes up. Canon Broly, Freeza. It's not that hard. Frankly we shouldn't be frozen in 1995 forever post 2013.

Yeah . . . I always thought Super should’ve taken place after the End of Z.

Dragon ball should have stopped at the end of Z...I dont hate Gt and Super and I think good thing came from them but lets be honest it was just another way of marketism

They will need to make a new End of Z now to connect it properly to Super. The old End of Z connects more to GT due to the absence of power-ups and characters from Super.

You have forget the retcon of bulma age

What if tien was betrayed and trapped in the time chamber for 1000000 years

I wouldn't even classify Super and Daima to be canon to be honest ... and on this topic why are they considered canon? did Toriyama himself even stated so? And even if he did, he also stated that he wanted to end the series with the Frieza Saga

3 years out, two years hyperbolic For Goku, ther u go

For me it's INSANE that fans can't even realize that all theae stories are attempts to juice the franchise more and more (sorry Toriyama). That's why all Super and Daima feel like a fanfic or merely fan service: because that's what it is. With all due respect, even Tori had no respect (nor motivation) to keep an eye or truly expand this (even forgetting things like SS3), and hence he put a person that had his manga ideas (foo you, Granolah), while being a great artist when it came ro drawing. Money, money, money, and here we are discussing story telling.

all i'm saying is if they retcon eoz or edit it or skip past it entirely i wouldn't be mad, it's a stinky ending 🤭

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dbz or gt should be end of series. I'm not fan of dbs

I do agree tho with a bunch of these which is that they’d honestly have no reason to talk about Super’s events or a reason to transform either so I’d say technically it does still fit but they would need to edit that Bulma part for sure otherwise it still works

Easy! Super is non canon.

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No canon broly in end of z means he is the G.O.D. in training maybe? Goku said broly might be as strong as beerus in the movie so foresadowing maybe?

Too goku it could seem like 5 years if he went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber at any period of time between 781 and 784. Could still work if need be.

I don't really think the uub explanation works. End of Z goku is essentially desperate for a good fight and challenge, but that would mean he's seemingly launched himself ahead of characters like vegeta, brolly, gowan, beerus and even whis

As I always say when people bring out "EoZ is not canon anymore", I always say the only thing they need to correct are how long Goku and Bulma didn't interacted, and maybe Piccolo's reason to not participate in the tournament (He said he he couldn't get even close to the Saiyan's power level, but now he has orange Piccolo).